Throwback | Jan-Ove Waldner vs Christian Süß | German League

[@gianlucabartonitz1997]

4:31 da hat er ihn so richtig genatzt 😂😂😂

[@arthursouzalima4402]

It would be nice if you specify the year of those "throwback" videos.

[@fredericchaboteau7056]

I think I saw it passing in the video, 2009. I wonder what happened to Süss in the meantime???

[@fredericchaboteau7056]

Ok, what happened to Süss is written in the comments underneath...

[@danielflores4278]

3 doubts or questions here if anyone knows... 1.When was this match? Before the new ball? 2. Did any time Waldner serve without hiding the ball? I've not seen that... Even nowadays. Great serves though... 3. What equipment has waldner used? There are several I guess... Even today he should be using new brands and series or not?

[@418jp]

Hello, 1 => it seems to be 2009, 40 mm celluloid ball. 2 => He doesn't serve under his arm like when it was authorized, but he keeps hiding the ball with his left shoulder which is not legal but... 3 => Equipment Donic : blade => Waldner Dicon egg shape (egg shape = more rigidity) and Waldner Senso carbon egg shape, some say he always and only played with a Dicon. rubber forehand => Coppa X1 gold (fast, low throw angle, dynamic) rubber backhand => Coppa X1 turbo platin ( fast, low throw angle, not dynamic) Waldner was not very interested by equipment, he didn't test a lot. If he played nowadays in high level with the new P-ball, he probably changed all is equipment for an harder blade and modern rubbers with low throw to have more grip.

[@ttjesus4959]

@@418jp You're nearly right. But, Waldner's equipment depends on what year you're talking about. And he really didn't use the Dicon that much. I'm pretty sure he only used it from about 98-2000. Before then, he used, what is now called the Waldner Offensive 2016. But, back then it was the Banda Offensiv, then the Banda Waldner. In Japan, it was released under Nittaku. Waldner won Olympic gold, and he won world's in 1997 without losing a game with the Banda Offensiv/Waldner. And 2001 is when he switched to the Senso Carbon, which he says is his favorite blade of all-time. He switched because that's when they went from 38mm celluloid balls to 40mm celluloid balls. And it appears that he stuck with the Senso Carbon from 2001 til his retirement. He always used a ST handle. And he always used the JO shape. His rubbers were the Coppa JO Gold on the forehand and the Coppa JO Platinum on the backhand. The ones you're talking about are just the 3rd generation of the JO versions. They even say so on the front of the packaging at the top left. His rubbers may or may not have varied over time. We simply don't know because yes, you are correct in saying that he didn't care about gear all that much. He didn't invent the JO shape btw. It was very common on cheaper blades back in the day. Waldner is just the one who popularized by being the only (that I know of) pro to use it, or the only pro to win with it. It's still pretty common on cheap blades actually. The Penn rackets they sell at walmart are JO shape and there's no mention of it on the packaging. I'm a Waldner super fan. I collect all of his stuff and play just like him. If not for the plague shutting everything down, I'd already be a pro. And this is the rough information on Waldner's gear over the years to the best of my super fan knowledge. Information on the subject is VERY difficult to find. But, I've been able to piece together everything over a long period of time. However, I could find new information that contradicts some of what I said here. But, I'm pretty sure that won't happen, and that I've got it nailed. And btw, the Waldner Senso Carbon ST handle with the gold on the forehand and platinum on the backhand is the very best feeling racket that there is. I totally agree with Waldner about it. Rubbers gotta be maximum thickness though. And you gotta have the gold in red cuz that's generally how Waldner had his; red on forehand, black on backhand, when he used this combination. Try it. It's crazy. If you don't agree that it's perfection after trying it, then you have no idea what you're talking about!

[@418jp]

@@ttjesus4959 Hello, thanks for all the details. I played several years with X1 gold on the forehand (red^^ => the red is often harder than the black) and X1 turbo on the backhand on a waldner senso carbon egg shape. Sadly, with the new poly ball, coppa X1 rubbers don't grip enough so I switch for a setup based on the blade of Koki Niwa.

[@ttjesus4959]

@@418jp Try the Waldner Ultra Senso JO shape, or the Waldner World Champion 89 (which is super zlc, but not JO shape). Both up the speed enough to be the same sort speeds with 40+ balls that Waldner's blades always were with 38mm and 40mm balls. If you really want to be just like him, then use the Ultra because he helped design it. All they did was take the Senso Carbon and up the speed to compensate for the new poly balls. He never used it professionally because he retired the year poly balls came in. Still, it's just like using the Senso Carbon with 40mm celluloid balls basically. And if u don't care about necessarily using his equipment exactly, then go for the World Champion. It might be the best feeling blade ever. So well made. It's unique in several ways. Just have a look into it. And don't be confused by how they refer to their carbon in it. It's super ZLC. And the Persson World Champion 89 is the exact same construction, except the super ZLC layers are closer to the outer layer, making it in the top 3 of Donic's fastest blades. So, you have the option to get whatever attributes you want really. Just go to tabletennis11.com because they have the Ultra JO for about 60 bucks and the World Champions for about 100 each. That's way less than what they go for everywhere else. Shipping is fast. And everything is legitimate. For rubbers, try something like the Donic Bluefire M1 or M1 Turbo. Just look into the Bluefire series in general and you'll find the one for you. And if you want their fastest, craziest rubber, it's the Bluestorm Z1 Turbo. The Bluestorm series is a bunch of low throw angle, fast rubbers. The Bluefire series is a bunch of high catapult, spinny rubbers, which are fast, but not as fast as Bluestorm. I was live by the saying "If it was good enough for Waldner, it's good enough for me". I mean he's the GOAT, not Ma Long. So, it can only help to do what he did. Try to emulate everything he did to the best of your abilities. Why not? You can't go wrong

[@inyourface123]

Anybody knows the real reason why Suss left professional table tennis career? The official reason he cited was higher studies which I found little unusual.

[@inyourface123]

@@gustavoc6812 I did some research. He had to leave professional TT due to serious knee injury, for which he had to undergo multiple operations but still it was painful for him to continue playing. He wanted to pursue his dream of being a pilot but he did not become one. He completed his schooling after retirement and also became an A licensed trainer. Currently he is an honorary trainer of German table tennis boarding school DTTI.

[@erstonoutway7281]

@@inyourface123 he also had a minicomeback inbetween.

[@inyourface123]

@@erstonoutway7281 when?

[@erstonoutway7281]

​@@inyourface123 2012 team WM. He was nominated. But end of 2012 beginning of 2013 his pain returned.

[@inyourface123]

@@erstonoutway7281 ok, I thought you meant mini comeback after retirement. The knee injury happened in 2011 and he retired in 2015.

[@DenisPinheir0]

Se até esse galego ganhou de Waldner é pq muita gente ganhou viu kkkkk

[@yahyasakar3932]

Timo Boll was among the spectators 🤨🤨🤨

[@mustafakaskara7774]

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