TURBO BRZ VS. ALL at ROAD AMERICA =)

[@MrBratnip]

BRZ! ,, at first over-hyped, now underrated . good driver too!

[@demonikelectronik]

If anyone cares the car is on street tires (hankook rs3 v2) and is a full interior, daily driven grocery getter, heated seats and all. For a lap with no traffic start at 23:55

[@delirium4327]

Nice car man. She is a screamer. It's crazy that you can get this much performance out of the brz/ frs.

[@djjones2723]

DGurney i'm sure you were not the only person driving a street car

[@demonikelectronik]

Well yes, obviously, just making it clear this is not some gutted, dedicated track car on r compounds.

[@jmeola99]

DGurney awesome video! cant believe u murder the porsches!

[@jmeola99]

DGurney do u use normal fuel too?

[@MrShawneric]

Thanks. I saw a few kits on sale now. Greddy and Crawford. They all go for over 4k. Reading 7 pounds boost is best for this engine since it's such a high compression at 12.5 to 1. I'll consider this more in spring. I love my car but The new 15 mustang gt 5.0l 430 hp with big brembos in performance pack looks amazing. Sorry about your engine. I'm sure that was out of pocket. Hopefully I'll see you at the track.

[@demonikelectronik]

Oh it was out of pocket, but not as bad as one might think since I did all the work myself. I also made about half the money back parting out the old engine. As far as kits go, the greddy is overpriced for what it is, and the crawford cant really be used to it's full potential without a built bottom end. Check out p&l, they have a great kit at a great price. It really makes the car, with better suspension and larger tires to balance out the power the car still has that great balaced, predictable at the limit character, but even more fun =) As far as the mustang goes, we'll see if it's any good, it's looking promising, but there's still all the weight. Hopefully I'll see you at the track, I'm pretty much dine for the year, I've burned through my last set of tires, and my brake calipers are toast, but I'll be at autobahn and ra quite a bit next year with more power, sti brakes, and more aero inprovements.

[@strifemillwork]

awesome video great driving man

[@jonathanbussard6874]

loved it when you snuck past the red C5!

[@NicWienandt]

Couple seconds faster than me in my tired e36 on street tires :)

[@demonikelectronik]

Best laps that day was around 2:41:xx, on a dry track I've ran a 2:38:xx, that's on street tires too.. there was a couple e36 race cars there, 300ish hp, on R compounds ~2900#, we were about even.

[@austinweippert4065]

Couple seconds is alot in racing time lmao

[@SoulCharter]

So damn sweet dude. Enjoy your ride!

[@outlawstar98]

when the NSX gave you a point by, I was happy. Took him WAY TO LONG

[@Sonic_1000]

Sti whp in a BRZ! Nice!

[@hzozafar]

What did you do for oil cooling? i have a full blown cooler mounted under the passenger headlight, with the foglight cover open to allow airflow. Big hole in the fender liner to allow hot air exit too. Still, I saw oil temps hit 240+ on straight-heavy tracks. Road america has more long straights than most tracks in the midwest. Any insight for oil cooling?

[@demonikelectronik]

Havent had this car for quite some time now but I had the forrester water/oil puck cooler and a custom air/oil cooler mounted in the nose. 240 is nothing to worry about. This car saw 280+ often. Just put fresh oil in and then change it after a track day.

[@gnarStache]

man, that NSX was driving me crazy, what took that guy so long before he waved you. otherwise, good stuff dude. looks like a hell of a lot of fun.

[@demonikelectronik]

There was two of them there, nearly identical black ones and the two guys were friends. They both were terrible, and both didn't give point bys in any sort of timely manner. I think half the run group was complaining about them at lunch break lol.

[@davidzdrojewski2355]

nos button would have solved that..lololo

[@rmlangille]

Jesus 7 mins in and I cant believe that NSX is still holding you up..........

[@mojojoji5493]

100k vs 25k

[@Mrboombastic936]

fuc king porsche's so goddamn fast

[@MikeWest_W]

Are their rules for if/when you should pass? What happens if some one wants to trade paint and you are in your daily driver? Looks fun!

[@demonikelectronik]

As you notice there's many times where I could pass but get on the brakes and stay behind. Depending on the class there is designated areas of the track mainly on straights. The higher the class the more lax the passing rules. Point bys are strongly encouraged. Because this isn't really a competitive event trading paint with someone is very unlikely, especially on purpose. Overall it's just a bunch of guys/gals trying to see what their cars can do and improving their abilities.

[@k.e.v]

I miss this car :(

[@shawnstephens2532]

bad ass! Love you passing those Porsches and NSXs Gave that black Vette a run for it's money until that long straight. I want to run that 4 mile track in my BRZ N/A tune w headers but it's such a fast track it screams for a turbo. What turbo brand can you recommend to be the best quality?

[@demonikelectronik]

Sorry missed your comment, that black vette was an absolute monster tt car with a great driver too. As far as turbo kits, I'd go with p&l, full blown, or revolutions rp400. All great kits. a nice large oil cooler is also pretty much a must.

[@Ziccolumbia]

I have a P&L kit with e85 on My BRZ. It's a monster! How often do you drive at RA? I'll be up there with LAPS this year.

[@demonikelectronik]

John Zicco I haven't owned the brz for a year or so now. i ended up going into wheel to wheel racing this year in a formula mazda. have fun at ra, just keep an eye on oil temps and watch out for brake issues. turbo 86s overwhelm the stock brakes pretty quickly up at ra.

[@Nighthawk-lr9km]

it's videos like this that make me sad that I live where I live (central Missouri). There's not a road course anywhere remotely close to me.

[@Mattpdx1]

+Nighthawk2112 There is Hallett in Tulsa, ok, Heartland Park over by Kansas City... It isn't the closest options that's for sure!

[@13KawiRider13]

Full blown kit? Thats what it sounds like to me! just curious though... Personally looking at the SBD 400x kit.

[@demonikelectronik]

AJ Zimmer actually it's a fa20club kit that was modified to change maf location and some other odds and ends. The car was built in early 2013 and it was one of the only kits available. Total junk that took quite a bit of work to be reliable and function properly. I'll say that was one of the worst experiences with a business I've ever had haha. The sbd kit is not bad, especially for the money, personally i like the p&l and the full blown kits a little more.

[@13KawiRider13]

Ya I haven't heard anything good about the fa20 kit. But like you said at the time their weren't many choices!

[@DavydB]

AJ Zimmer there is another kit called the 500x, which puts about 15whp more than the 400x does, with a fuel pump and injectors and running on e85 ethanol, you will be easily kicking 400 whp on the 500x turbo kit!!!

[@DavydB]

SBD that is!

[@sadigov]

GoBRZilla!

[@kgthegreatone943]

id say alittle bit more than 280whp lol

[@MrShawneric]

Your flying. I own a brz also. Tracked it at autobaun and grattan It's needs more hp. Who did install of turbo? How much hp and $? Thanks

[@demonikelectronik]

I did the install myself, I think total cost was something around 4500 with pump, injectors, and ecutek cable/license. It's an early fa20club kit, from before anyone knew better. Id stay far away from them, the poor fa20club tune already cost me an engine, and the kit is a bit poorly designed. The car is currently tuned by james martin (hri) and in this video about 280whp @ 9psi, and nakes about 320 @12 psi. If you're planning to go turbo and want someone in the area to do the install and tuning id recommend either p&l, or fullblown. Both shops do good work. I think p&l comes in at under 5k for full install and tuning.

[@catzbunn]

Nice save at around 15:00 mark. Also how were your brakes holding up..

[@demonikelectronik]

Yeah bad line into the turn, then understeer, then oversteer over the rumble strips lol. the brakes? not so good, stock braking system with upgraded pads, lines and rotors. no major fade but major heat issues. Sti brembos are going on the car this year.

[@robjapan]

Might be a dumb question.. Did you attach the turbo yourself after you bought it? If so, what kind of an effect did it have (other than making it quicker I mean!) No need for extra air intake? Do you have any idea why Subaru don't do a turbo edition of the BRZ as a standard model?

[@demonikelectronik]

robjapan yes it is an aftermarket turbo system, there is well over two dozen various kits available along with at least a half dozen supercharger options. obviously the effects are more power, the tuning done to the car smoothed the powerband out (no torque dip at 3.5k rpm), but also it shifted some weight to the nose of the car, and slightly raised the overall center of gravity. as far as a factory turbo, subaru's statement was that was not enough room to install a turbo, which may be a possibility since an oem will need much better packaging and clearance than an aftermarket setup. also i think the cost would bump the car into too high of a price category for it to make sense to purchase..

[@ktelecominc]

it could be will effect the sale of the STI, becuase people don't just throw money in to get a turbo on a car, they will likely upboost on a car that will turbo. That is what I think, it took me a few months of thinking to put turbo on my brz.

[@ravenstylea2]

demonikelectronik but you bought the car and turbo'd it anyway. You probably would have bought the car with a turbo - if it came that way. Would have made sense then. Best thing is, with an OEM turbo, you wouldn't have voided your warranty.

[@demonikelectronik]

ravenstylea2​​ but you have to understand, I'm not the average consumer. I was looking forward to this car since they announced the concept. Being a fan of the old Celica supra, ae86, rx7, and also being a Subaru driver and enthusiast, I was going to buy this car no matter what, if they did a proper lightweight rwd sports car. I feel like the average consumer would look at the specs of a turbo 86, compared to a mustang gt, and for mid 30s to 40 grand would pic the mustang. Not to mention at that price you're tapping on the door of a gently used Cayman. That was the other car I was looking at btw. 

[@ravenstylea2]

The import crowd doesn't go for Mustangs even if they are the same price. Maybe some, but not the majority. I swear, probably the only reason I might get an Ecoboost stang is because the Scion/BRZ doesn't make enough power, and I don't want the headache of buying one knowing I wouldn't be truly satisfied unless i turbocharged it and - me being a noob- having to take it to the tuner for an issue that then arises.

[@PatrickAlvarez11]

Hey DGurney, i'm thinking about turboing my FRS. Any heating issues at the track? reliability issues? Any advice?

[@demonikelectronik]

reliability was good. make sure you have supporting mods and you're not pushing anything to it a limit. so, bigger fuel pump, bigger injectors (to lower duty cycle) etc. temps were a battle, oil temps were really hard to reign in. ended up upgrading radiator, thermostat, all lines, then Forrester puck water/oil oil cooler then on top of that a Mocal thermostatic plate running to a 19 row mishimoto air/oil cooler. differential temps were pretty crazy high too, so that would have been the next cooling mod, diff and trans coolers.

[@PatrickAlvarez11]

+DGurney got it! Gotta focus on cooling cooling cooling & support mods. I wanted so more power for the track, 280-300whp look like it gets the job done. Which coils/wheels you running?

[@demonikelectronik]

isc coils, they were pretty crappy actually. I'd recommend rce tarmac 2s, wasn't a ton of good options out yet when I was building this car. The wheels were some knock offs of the 57extreme. 9.5x18 rear and 8x18 front.

[@demonikelectronik]

power wise I think 350 would be perfect, it needed just a tiny bit more to keep up with the porsches on straights.

[@PatrickAlvarez11]

Thanks! Yeah, I currently have RCE yellow springs and they work great! I am now debating on whether I keep the FRS or swap to the new BRZ and star fresh. Cause of BRZ master race and all, lol. I used to live Infront of a golf course so I have Knicks and bumps everywhere cause of the golf balls. Things are rattling like crazy inside, I much prefer the interior of the BRZ vs the FRS. I want to stay with the platform,.. Just think it's time to swap. I haven't seen any other car I'd rather get... Maybe the STI.

[@connorbeckmann2981]

Wheel setup? And suspension?

[@demonikelectronik]

Bremmer kraft 57 extreme knock off 18x9 265/35/18 hankook rs3, isc coilovers and progress sway bars front and rear.

[@connorbeckmann2981]

Do you think the sway bars made a big difference? Also who did the tuning? Great driving btw!

[@demonikelectronik]

@@connorbeckmann2981 with the amount of tire under the car the sway bars make a difference. Plus rear is adjustable. The engine or suspension tuning? The suspension i installed, aligned and corner balanced myself the engibe tuning was done by James Martin, probably the best tuner for the platform out there. And thanks, i try. I haven't had that car in years, actually moved on to wheel to wheel formula cars. Check out my channel, there's some more recent RA stuff on there.

[@willbond]

What turbo kit did you use?

[@demonikelectronik]

It's an early fa20club kit modified a little bit. I would not recommend it, there's much better kits available now.

[@mrackelito1]

DGurney Great that you are being honest. What kit would you recommend ?

[@TheShank6666]

+mrackelito1 FBM or AVO depending on what your goals are imo

[@demonikelectronik]

Fbm, p&l, revolutions performance for higher power and avo for lower power builds.

[@mrackelito1]

DGurney I see, well how much does these engine take with stock internals? Are they reliable?

[@ZeeLover123]

My brz has 480hp

[@twinturbo_c7vette]

My brz has over 500 now :p

[@brian5767]

lol thats just stupid in 2700 pound car im assuming you only use it for track now

[@gabrieldalcomune3044]

How were your oil temps?

[@demonikelectronik]

usually pretty good, 260-280, but i have had them crest 300 before on a hot day.

[@gabrieldalcomune3044]

demonikelectronik oh. I thought it would be higher lol

[@demonikelectronik]

Gabriel Dalcomune I have a water/oil heat exchanger and an upgraded radiator, thermostat, hoses, then coolant with wetter. Also, the car is ran on 0w-40. Trust me there's been a few times where I've looked at the temp gauge and seen 325-340, but that's not the normal. I am going to be upgrading to an air/oil cooler torun in conjunction with the setup on there now as the power levels go up.

[@hmong337]

demonikelectronik you still running a stock internal motor?

[@demonikelectronik]

hmong337 yes, for now. When I feel that my driving ability has gotten to the level where I can get everything out of the car at current power levels it will be getting a built block.

[@invisibleaznDJ]

nsx has no balls and then no courtesy.

[@brian5767]

Turbos are crap and there cheap this car gets much more fun with a nice Supercharger

[@demonikelectronik]

why is that? you don't make as much power, tuning is harder because of tip in knock, you have parasitic loss, and for high power the belt drive becomes slippy and unreliable. With modern ball bearing turbos, there is zero advantage to running a supercharger.

[@inwoodplace]

friend of mine had sprintex supercharge on his 86 and it wasn't that good ..finally he put a greddy turbo kit on...much better.