Turn Your Delay Pedal Into A Chorus Or Flanger - That Pedal Show

[@LodvarDude]

Actually, it's the tangets in the longer shows that brings the most useful and interesting information. It's also what sets TPS apart from all the other pedal-based KZbin-channels. We DO like pedals and knowledge about gear, but we mostly watch it because of you two chuckle-heads and the banter.

[@michaelhalliwell1015]

Agreed, The banter gives this Channel such a homely feel, Every episode feels like hanging out with two highly knowledgeable friends

[@christopherlong8259]

Yeah, I love the longer format and the banter. Nothing better than sitting down to an hour + long TPS after work on Friday. Put it up on the tv, sit down with a guitar and some pedals and just unwind.

[@bobgreenlee7852]

They could just get drunk and tell stories for my enjoyment!

[@song-mode]

agreed!

[@slyphon]

More like DANgents AMIRITE?!?

[@tedayre]

I think the advantage of a longer show is that the 'feel' of the conversation is more relaxed. This is something I personally prefer, rather than feeling like the conversation is being rushed.

[@cowieson]

Great show as ever! As someone who fairly religiously watches every episode of TPS, I’d say that I do prefer the long shows personally - I love the “subject matter” part of each episode but I think the main attraction is actually not the subject matter but rather the shared enthusiasm for gear/music which you guys have with your viewers. The sense I get when watching the longer shows is that we’re kind of hanging out despite not being in the same room if that makes sense! Not to say that this isn’t the case with shorter episodes too - but I don’t struggle at all to watch the longer ones :)

[@Brandontsmith85]

Ditto to loving the long episodes. The sheer joy that Dan and Mick have for guitar is both entertaining and motivating, and the knowledge they drop even through their most out-there tangents is welcome, too!

[@swanpond14]

You described my feelings exactly. It's like we are all hanging out!

[@connorjennings7069]

This is perfectly accurate !

[@ferrinbonn]

I actually prefer the longer episodes when the topic warrants the time. What you guys do better and differently than all of the other gear channels is that you really go deep on a topic and explore things from a lot of different angles. There are plenty of other options out there for people who want quick and trivial videos on the basics. TPS is the graduate school of the guitar gear world.

[@simonpark843]

I agree with this comment 100%.

[@cthomas2949]

So Mick and Dan are doing these shows for free....I don't think any of us actually have any right to feel miffed about an occasional shorter half hour weekly show. Support the guys by purchasing something from their store, clicking on an affiliate link, popping a few quid on Patreon or watching one of the adverts through to the end.

[@rodd1000]

I really appreciate the longer shows, it’s a welcome distraction.

[@christine-3785]

Me too, for the same reason.

[@fraenkiboii]

Usually I would agree, I also like one hour-ish podcasts. I don't want to state what's right or wrong, I think that's highly subjective. However, what I observe on myself during the longer shows is that I sometimes ask myself "Wait, what is this show about again?" or I'd grab my phone and do something else there meanwhile. I'd leave it up to Dan and Mick and what they have to say, it's their show, if it's a topic they are really passionate about, let them talk and wander down the rabbit whole.

[@steviesteakbakes9643]

You’re spot on- with the way of the world these days it’s nice to feel like you’re in a room with two mates for an hour 👍🏻

[@mgscheue]

Me, too. And the same reason.

[@TheBlackRam666]

The longer videos are absolutely the best for you guys fiddling with the knobs and comparing the different pedals and sounds even more in depth, love em!

[@davidbrowning6762]

I really enjoy the long format. I listen while I’m sitting in traffic. Background playing on.

[@gtrkitarr]

Nice topic. I actually like the shows with a longer "delaytime" than 2306. Have a great weekend!

[@davidburnsmusic]

Great as always. Have to say I do like the long shows myself, the tangents and chat between you are just as much what I love about That Pedal Show as the actual to-the-point pedal knowledge

[@marc_sanchez67]

Who the hell is complaining about a long show?! Dan/Mick - I've enjoyed every show and appreciate all the helpful info and your banter. You guys are the best!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Marc 🤓🙏

[@swanpond14]

The shows are never too long ! Especially when one considers the timestamp and chapter markers you put for reference. That pedal show continues to be one of the highlights of my week. Thanks guys !

[@MrNocaster]

I've watched every show you guys have and i love them all. I've bought many pedals based on learning how pedals react to my amp through you guys explanations. The longer videos I really enjoy, the short ones are great too. But, for me, you guys are teachers for a lot of people and as for me, I look forward to each and every video. Thanks so much for spreading your knowledge and the wonderful passion you guys have.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Cheers Chris 🤓🙏

[@benzirkle2817]

23 minutes? Where is the rest of the show!!! I will survive, I suppose. Keep rocking gentlemen.

[@markorfila3832]

Just got the Boss DD-200 and its the best pedal I every bought ! £120 in mint condition ! It sounds so pure and lush... never selling !

[@Gniff85411]

We obviously all love the long shows, and they have said many times that long shows are not going anywhere. So don’t worry, and just try to enjoy something that’s a little different! It’s going to take new and different approaches to keep building this channel and community. Making more accessible and inclusive content will help bring more people in, and that’s a good thing for all of us.

[@miguelma21]

I much prefer the long format shows, it's very nice to sit and relax for an hour or so. Cheers, guys!

[@fabivilla2442]

The flanger example added harmonics that felt so vowel-like and organic! Awesome

[@ArchitexMaze75]

This is why im so intrigued with the strymon deco to explore this area, also appreciate any length of show but throw us into two hours of ramblings and tangents we can take it! Cheers

[@troyhead2]

When I saw the title of the video, the Deco is what came to mind. It's basically what the pedal is designed for. In "Bounce" mode you can get some cool stereo effects, or use Wide-Stereo mode for some great stereo double-tracked sounds. What I like about the Deco though is that the "Wobble" control isn't your standard LFO shape that has a predictable back-and-forth sound, but is more random (in a pleasing way). So even if you already have chorus or flange, the Deco is a somewhat different flavour.

[@Lorneplumber]

Is there a better all round useful pedal than the deco.?

[@realcatalinawinemixer]

As someone who only owns a 2 dirt pedals, a reverb, and a delay, this blew my mind. Thanks for sharing, as I now love my delay pedal even more!

[@Russell_Optics]

I have the DD-200 and have never gone below 100ms, but you just opened up a new avenue for a fresh preset. Awesome show. Thank you for keeping things fresh and interesting.

[@jesseyasaitis9036]

Easy fix to get through a longer video....watch it over a couple days. Love the long videos.

[@Kuztomshop]

After seeing the Carbon Copy guts, I'd love to see a show about TPS's favorite pedals with hidden features and bits under the back cover.

[@bleeknoir]

Short but sweet. I’ll watch anything you make.

[@stevemaass3074]

Fascinating stuff. Good luck topping this one, guys.

[@chrispartl7446]

Long format preferred, I enjoy being in your minds.

[@thomasnissen1402]

I second long episodes. This was way too short for my weekly dose of tps. Unless its more about your own comfort, in which case, do what you need to be well and happy. The tangents are my favorit part along side the inspiration. I use you as gear knowledge and tom bukovac for the making music inspiration. Together its a great cocktail. :) have a good weekend Dan, Mick and everyone else.

[@tyronemckenna2541]

Don't know about anyone else, but if I don't make it through longer shows it's because they make me want to play!!

[@matthewsouza383]

14:06 Great guys. IIRC the modulation sound for Brad Gillis' guitar on Ozzy's Speak of the Devil live album was achieved by running two mesa mkii c amps, separated by a 10 ms delay

[@kcole-xi9km]

The diagrams were editing time well spent, I understand the concepts well enough, but sometimes picturing an abstract idea graphically can help to 'see' other approaches. Anything that helps us to think outside the box is very helpful. You folks are the best! Long or short, the shows are all appreciated.

[@jktolford8272]

Great info. I like a mix in the time formats. What's important is that is that you both feel good about what you're doing while maximizing the expertise you share. Want do something that won't sustain a long show--shoot it out quickly. If you've got something that you know will take a while, or just get surprised by some rabbit hole in a planned simple show--go for it. Many of us will happily follow.

[@MickeyDs14]

I had to show a friend how to get chorus out of delay. That’s why I love delay pedals. So versatile.

[@jjrobiso]

Did this with the tc flashback. There was a chorus/delay TonePrint and I just knocked delay almost all down and it sounded diabolically good.

[@bohenian]

Ohh... I need to try that with mine

[@mattwatsonthesecrethelicopters]

At 14 mins in when Dan starts playing I found myself singing the opening lines to Sugar Mice by Marillion!!! Great show as always chaps.

[@repsaknesral]

Totally!! “I was flicking through the channels on the TV…”

[@adamhansen9529]

You guys are my favourite dudes on KZbin. I wish you’d take the show back to the basics. This was a good episode. Out of all guitar channels out there you have the most to offer. I prefer the longer shows personally. Don’t change what you guys do best. That pedal show needs to jump back into the deep end... peace boys from Edmonton Alberta Canada.

[@mariokx250]

Fantastic episode as always, but don’t fear the long episodes! I personally love them, and look forward to getting to sit down for roughly an hour with the two of you when you upload. In my mind, the longer the better! The only thing better than getting to sit down with your long episodes would be getting to sit down with the two of you in person!

[@BCarpenter2314]

Great subject, well presented. There is probably a way to find the perfect mixture of short shows and long sounds that satisfies most of us. I just enjoy the knowledge and time spent learning/practicing guitar 🎸. Cheers from Michigan!

[@dddimon87]

please bring the long shows back!

[@Bullittbl]

I love the long shows! That's always been my favorite thing from you guys. The tangents are what make you special. Your original concept was two guys talking gear. Conversations meander around where ever they go. That's what originally drew me to you guys. Not just another demo channel.

[@adammartinguitar5436]

The tone in the intro is incredible! Might be time for me to buy a Tele I reckon!

[@dalegreen8695]

Great show as always. I think TPS is so good because Dan and Mick genuinely love what they do. They've always enjoyed changing the format and mixing things up a bit, keeping it fresh and interesting. The guys know what works for them and how to make a great show. I love all the TPS videos, long or short, and long may they continue. Thanks guys!

[@anthonysarno5503]

I love all the TPS episodes, short and long.

[@sam4667]

Short and simple is great. Long and rambling is also great. Just go with the feels. I used to enjoy the short pick n mix videos - I'd like to see them return. Every modulation pedal I ever have I try to get to sound a certain way. Turns out I just want a really really nice chorus. Know thyself!

[@NewFalconerRecords]

This process actually explains why the controls on a flanger pedal are what they are. For that alone, I thank you boys.

[@evanmiller2579]

The Chorus sounds were really spectacular I thought. The Flanger tones for sure fell into the harsher side however the original mistress tends to be quite "treble"ish so this sounded pretty authentic. Looked to be a lot of fun filming it. The Protein into the Marshall was killer. Thanks guys as always.

[@gregdittman7610]

I saw Springsteen in Tacoma in maybe 1990? About an hour into the show people started getting tired and sitting down. He stopped playing and roared, “If you want to play, you’ve got to pay!” Everyone was back on their feet for another two hours. Neither that show nor this one ever felt like torture to a fan.

[@joepeezy4sheezy]

Darling I’ve been standing here just watching you all night… I sing it every time you play it pal. HOWAY cannie dannie lad!!

[@scotcruickshank7445]

I was watching this show with my fiance, she's kind of milling around doing something in the kitchen when she says' "wait, Mic hasn't been saying dad this whole time?" lol changed her entire perspective on the show. Cheers from Florida, the Australia of America!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Hahahahahahaha!

[@stackhouse22]

…that’s exactly why I love my Strymon Deco so much! All in there with a great Boost/OD on top that gives a nice comp at low gain settings as well 😎

[@ThatPedalShow]

Yeah, Deco is amazing

[@iainmaciver2971]

“Horses for courses” I reckon on video length, a hour long video on this topic would have been a struggle unless other topics or “hacks” were included but this short length was perfect for such a narrow topic. However trying to compress some of the other videos with broader topics/ multiple pedals into a short video wouldn’t work as too much great stuff would be lost - we need all the details, playing examples and most of all the stories and tangents. The only time I struggle to get through a long video is if it is a topic that I know I’m not interested in or wouldn’t use - and that’s perfectly fine and doesn’t bother me in the slightest . We can’t all like everything and you can’t please everyone all the time. Plenty of other people will love the videos that aren’t for me and vice versa, and I get so much great info from this channel that I’m sticking around no matter what format the videos are.

[@ViaMichaelRocks]

Hello Mick and Dan. I’m watching from Long Island, New York, home to an over abundance of great guitarists. Your show has kept me company through good times and through the very slow recovery from spinal surgery. Can you emphasize when we hear a 6L6/6V6 or an EL84/EL34 type amps. This is most important when you review distortion or fuzz pedals. Besides being incredible guitarists you both have wonderful personalities. I’ve never been to the UK, but my ancestry dates back to Camborne in Cornwall. Good health and fortune to you both.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Michael, hope you’re feeling better soon 🤓🙏

[@filipjohannesgrydeland]

I also prefer the longer shows, mostly for the friendly banter and tangents!

[@andsoistopped]

Respect for the different colours on the word Chorus. Attention to detail on steroids.

[@johnballantyne3458]

Very cool that you did a show on this. It was actually one of your older chorus-related videos that inspired me to try exactly this technique some time ago. I can't be bothered buying a chorus because it's not an effect I'm fond of, but I've been doing this trick with my delay pedal for a while now, whenever I need to play songs that have chorus or flange in them. Actually, my delay pedal doesn't have modulation, but even just the doubling effect is "good enough" to provide a decent substitute effect for those songs or those passages of songs.

[@mikecito1717]

I found running the CCopy at higher voltage gives the chorus setting a brighter shimmer as well. Gonna crack it open and add more depth now. Great episode gentleman!

[@oishikplays]

No way! I have recently started playing around with my future factory, and wanted to copy the tone from Last Train Home. After looking through sweetwater for chorus pedals, I started wondering if my FF could act as a chorus pedal, which led me down to a rabbit hole through this channels' delay pedal videos to see any resource on how to tweak the settings to get a chorus sound out. That was just two days ago. What a weird coincidence seeing a notification for this video this morning! Cheers from Seattle! Love you guys!

[@periloustemple8290]

I loved this episode, but I love them all. I'd chill and listen to you cats do just anything. Anf for length, well, some may not be able to handle it, but I have been here from the start and have never ever wanted to complain about the length. Keep doing what you do. There is an entire Internet's worth for those who don't dig what you do - and how long it takes. For me, you remain life changing. Take care, fellas.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you kindly!

[@daiglep]

This is my favorite type of show: deep dives into how effects work! I really enjoyed! My weekend will be filled with delay experimentation for sure!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Patrick 🙏

[@graphicnick07]

I read once that Alan holdsworths modulated sound always came from his delays, i never understood how until this video!!! Thank you!!!

[@killersajmon]

Love it when the plexi is getting used :)

[@leovooijs3051]

I bought a Inbanez DM 2000 about 25 years ago and does all of this brilliantly and still does, but I like it best adding a little modulation to a longer delay time.

[@curtpurcell3296]

This is almost exactly how I use my carbon copy - super short delay times. But I have the CC deluxe, where the modulation controls are in dial form and not buried inside, making fine tuning easier. Fantastic pedal. Love short delays, BUT love longer shows even more! Cheers.

[@Compass2101]

Great episode. I do enjoy watching ever second of your looooong episodes, in multiple sittings.

[@scottw9732]

This was great, thanks for the knowledge! Gonna fire up my carbon copy dlx tonight and try it out., On another note, as someone who has watched every TPS show for the last three years, the long format is one of the main things I love about it. As a rule I much prefer a deeper dive on a topic than a gloss over like it seems most shows tend to do. This episode notwithstanding, of course. Love from NC, gents, be well.

[@chrishunter9256]

Wow..... i have several of these delays.... i feel like ive been living in a box...... so thankful for this to help me explore so many more options!

[@schlapbe]

Great episode! And the new coloured shirt is dope! Excellent. I'll head over to tps store now I think

[@jackprice7828]

That is some beautiful tone out of that Tele

[@steveinman1512]

They're all good! Love the detailed content in the long episodes. Was able to fit in this one during my lunch break. Fantastic!

[@erikzen1]

The Keeley Mesmer Astral Delay makes an awesome chorus and the Keeley Eccos makes a great flanger.

[@jlpguitars736]

I love both the long and short show... Depends what my Friday at work looks like (I'm sure my employer prefers the shorter show)...

[@matttiernan3465]

Short video but super useful for those of us who only have a few pedals and don't want to commit to a dedicated chorus or flanger. Going to try some of this with my EHX Canyon. Thanks guys!

[@scottakam]

Thanks guys. Brilliant as always! I like the short shows and the long shows. Variety is the spice of life as they say.

[@courier11sec]

Fellas, I feel like the reason your videos go long is that you don't do tightly scripted, heavily structured presentation. You tend to get lost and explore tangents of the subjects as only true enthusiasts do. I can't speak for everyone, but that is why I find your work so compelling and identifiable. I hope you keep being yourselves. Thank you.

[@jeanenviedapprendre]

One of the coolest shows you've done. I'd love an hour long version of this!

[@gbarge4]

Okay, now I'm cajoled into going down to learn more about my Amaze1... I constantly cycle through drives but have tended to leave always on pedals, including delay, at one setting and just get on with it. On the format, my 2 cents/tuppence are divided. Longer episodes have never seemed too long. I love them. I became a very loyal "regular viewer" on the usual format. This shorter one is lean and to the point. It's a good, focused, narrow topic informational episode. I suspect part of why it's good beyond just the information is because it's you guys and we know you. We have come to know you via the fuller, longer episodes. Mick, when you say, "Go on, then" or Dan, when you say, "Have a schwang, Michael" a small but important element of your friendship comes through and we all feel it. The information is invaluable. My board is a joy every day and that board is Because of you two. By chance, I met furniture maker James Krenov in a cafe and we talked. Afterward, he invited me up to the school shop and walked toward the cafe door. He turned, eyes sparkling, and said, "Enthusiasm is contagious!" I've never forgotten that. Your enthusiasm and joy and sense of fun are contagious. Sure, it's Because Tone but tone is just part of the overall feel. "Long" has never been too long. Fridays never come soon enough. Peace and Love, G

[@ThatPedalShow]

Cheers G, it’s a huge honour for us to have people such as yourself along for the journey, we’d just like to see if we can welcome a few more into to fold by doing a few shorter ones as well as, not instead of, the linger vids. Cheers mate, hope you’re awesome 😎 🙏

[@gbarge4]

@@ThatPedalShow Cheers, mate. I approach awesome when lingering. You're on the right track. Both is the way. And, as you mentioned in Monday's VCQ, diving in and making shorter subject-specific clips sounds a great idea too. I go back frequently and use the old time summaries or the newer progress bar labels for review. There will be some who love the short clips as well. Welcome all!!! I'm so grateful for you guys! G

[@tuomastimonen7063]

Nice to see your love for DD-200. I've used DD-7 for years just because its really short delay time possibilities, like turning what ever piezoed object into a faux marimba.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Faux marimba! You win the internet today Tuomas!

[@arnouvo]

Just want to let you know that i absolutely adore your long shows. I love playing a long episode while i’m working. So, long live to the long version and bonjour de Montréal!

[@edwardbosloper2445]

All of your videos have kept me sane! Love this episode

[@robertlewis8024]

Count me as another vote for the long shows!

[@alfgwahigain5544]

Viewers who complain about your videos being too long aren't true fans of the channel. You guys do what you do and don't worry about the complainers. You are awesome, and have been for a very long time. Also, it would've been hilarious if your video was about how to make your delay into a chorus or flange, but you need three delays to do it. You could've trolled people with an early April Fools on that one.

[@TomMilleyMusic]

Interestingly enough, I've been finding more and more that for chorus sounds I'm liking having no delay, just vibrato in parallel.

[@JacobH93]

It’s funny how when you start it feels like there are thousands of effects. Then you learn some more and they get broken down into smaller groups. Overdrive reverb fuzz chorus etc. Then you learn a little more and there are really only 2 categories: gain and time based effects. I knew that modulation was based off of quick delays, but it’s nice seeing it in action and hearing what the actual delay times are for different modulation effects!

[@sam4667]

I had an MD-500 and ended up making my presets all sound kind of the same. It's a thing once you hear enough modulation

[@corssheehan8566]

It’s true. You really can learn something new everyday . Great video guys.

[@adamsiladymusic9555]

Such a great episode guys, a real eye opener on how delay pedals can make modulation sounds! Very cool! Keep up the great work. Adam from Sydney, Australia

[@PhilippPJG]

Dan, please play that Tele more often… it’s absolutely gorgeous. 😍

[@iainfreeman5112]

Short & sweet.

[@peterellwood2103]

Bring the long videos back 😃great video as always though. I have both the dd200 and carbon copy on my board!

[@buskertv7138]

Longer eps plz I think even if you get a vote this will be the answer, short mick and Dan looks like salesman we want professor mick and Dan with long lectures that we love :) all the best

[@Yupppi]

Great episode, can't be sad whenever there's Carbon Copy on the show. I had forgotten how it just makes everything nice when you turn it on. A Roland rack delay opened this world to me, because it was so old it didn't have memory, so it started at 0 ms every time, but the vibrato on the delay line was hardware knobs so always there. My favourite sounds were found in the between settings, somewhere around 10-20 ms where it wasn't quite clear which it was. But what for no obvious reason it also had a toggle button for sine and triangular wave, which made it so interesting sounding! I knew this theoretically, but I never connected it to being able to do this with stuff like Carbon Copy. Another mental block cleared! If only it had a depth control for modulation, you'd get so interesting vibrato mixes as well. Although I believe you can adjust the modulation with a trim pot inside?

[@bodenschatz10]

I feel a bit chastised. Going back to finish old shows now (after I finish this one)... You guys are the best!

[@renehaitjema7841]

I love this! Ive been doing this with my analog delay from T-rex on my pedalboard, it also gives a nice push for like solos

[@jt3483]

Thought this was such a cool show! I love all your content but this one brought some things home for sure! For one, as good as the DD200 sounded with the flanger tones, I definitely heard the "keh" sound, particularly when Mick played. The Carbon Copy Chorus sounds were really cool. I especially loved when the Velociraptors showed up as the Regen level was raised! Be safe fellas! The ending with the "weird ass shimmer" delay was really funny. In all, the playing in this was really nice too. Just a great addition to the catalog.

[@danbode]

Thanks for the doubler/flanger insight. Well worth my 20 minutes today!

[@pauljolstead2752]

It’s been interesting to track the changing of Dan’s beard to white. As a man of a certain age, I’m looking forward to mine doing the same. Dan’s “changing of the vestments” has been remarkably fast.

[@rikmcrae]

Same for me.

[@anthonydratnal1870]

The last 18 months have been remarkably stressful, I've seen this exact sort of acceleration in both myself and many other men whom I know.

[@mabecka]

Long video = Watch later list. Short video = Watch right away at work on a Friday afternoon!!!!! Yippeekayey, made my day!

[@christopherhamm1574]

I cant wait to try this with my Boss DD20. I never really thought about this before this video… THANKS !

[@tobyelkington1244]

Thankyou legends. Loving all content long and short, totally get that you need a bigger following than just us old farts! Immediately rushed out to the guitar room and had my Keeley Caverns and Fender reverb flanging and chorusing in no time, a whole pallete of new noodles sprung forth.

[@copperaudio9664]

I like your long shows.

[@simonpark843]

I'm a fan of the Way Huge Echo-Puss, which has a minimum delay time of 20ms. It also has a modulation control so it does everything I want it to. This is such an informative video, thanks for all your excellent work.

[@christiandavis6117]

You guys are great! Thanks for all the helpful content!!! Was researching modulation pedals to buy for fly out gigs. Saw this and realized I already have one with the Carbon Copy. 2 in 1! Praise to Mike and Dan!!!

[@grahamkelly8299]

Interesting ep guys!! ...indeed!!