Mango vs. Leffen - The Greatest Set of All-Time

[@turndownforwalt]

Hey guys, this video just got copyright claimed. I used KZbin's definitely not terrible feature to remove the claimed segment, so you may notice a bit of a jump cut towards the end of the video, and I apologize for that. I'm going to keep this up for now since a lot of you guys seem to like the video, but I'm exploring options to reupload. Still not sure what the best move is -- a claim on a project this involved hasn't happened to me in a long time, and it's the first time it's happened with YT as my actual job, so waking up to this was an awful feeling. In case this doesn't get resolved, here's my Patreon in the meantime if you can kick a buck www.patreon.com/turndownforwalt Thanks again for supporting me and I'm so sorry about this.

[@AlfonsoAlvz]

Brainstorming ideas: you could re-upload and just add a chapter named "new re-upload section" or something like that, maybe? :) Great videos! Thanks! I hope this YT situation is not affecting you a lot

[@xeno-eh4pq]

Have you considered using Kofi instead of Patreon? The overall cost is much much lower.

[@turndownforwalt]

@@xeno-eh4pq I actually don't know much about Kofi but I can definitely look into it if it can help out. Is it just a lower percentage take than Patreon? What other differences are there?

[@xeno-eh4pq]

Afaik Patreon takes 8% per Donation vs Kofi just taking about 5 bucks per month. Which means you'll profit if you make more than ~60 bucks a month

[@turndownforwalt]

@@xeno-eh4pq Oh wow. I think I'm on a legacy plan for Patreon which only takes 5% but that can still be a pretty sizable amount of flat vs. percentage. If I could transfer my current audience to Kofi I'll definitely consider it, just may be tough to get everyone to move

[@parkourboio1062]

"People in the crowd are HUGGING, like they just saw a baby get saved out of a river or something" ~ Toph after game 4

[@VitaminDKota]

“That’s it… OH THE UP-B WAS SO SMART. Shine out of shield. AGHHHH” - Scar during firebird

[@jevanstokely9765]

Scar voicing firebird sent me😂

[@RebelXRaven]

Juggleguy and I were literally embracing on the edge of tears after game 4 😂

[@PooCrizzap]

I was up in the balcony during this set and me and the stranger next to me hugged after game 4 😂

[@ziwuri]

@@PooCrizzap that's awesome

[@IGP]

I watch this match about once a month to remind myself why I love this game so much.

[@lordfirebomb4323]

Dang, wasn't expecting to see you at a smash melee video

[@YungLilBoii]

It was the first Melee match I had ever watched live. Came home from work, my buddy who introduced me to Melee said Genesis was on and I should tune in. Turned on Twitch. The match had just started. I have never played a match of Melee in my life. But have been a spectator for the last 6 or so years because of this match.

[@whoareyou4002]

love your vids man

[@xSod4P0px]

My professor in college told us to make a presentation in college and I literally made a video about this set and presented it in front of the class! There was one kid at the front who played SB4 and he was loosing his shit the whole set.

[@jonathanc3001]

What I wanna know is how the rest of the class and your professor reacted

[@xSod4P0px]

@@jonathanc3001 The video is actually on my YT profile. Most people were on their phones, but the professor seemed to be pretty interested in the concept of Esports. It was pretty sick to have at least one person understand the hype and insanity of the set despite never having played the game.

[@Justpassingby204]

@@xSod4P0pxlame that they’re on their phones during classmate’s presentation but I’m glad you made something you’re passionate about

[@otachuable]

Cringe

[@Space_Captain]

@@xSod4P0px Our courses deducted points from your Presentation Grade if you weren’t paying attention to another presenter. Your teacher should’ve done better by you.

[@hanzykamin]

As a lifelong tennis & melee player, I’m so stoked to see I’m not the only one who loves the parallels between both pro scenes. I’m literally writing an essay for my friends on how similar the meta of pro smash is to high-level tennis. Well done TDFW!

[@15_Cows]

Sounds interesting, you should link it to when you’re finished!

[@turndownforwalt]

Would love to see that! Thank you so much!

[@Senbaek]

Yes the two scenes were eerily similar for years. I've got a 10yo comment comparing Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Murray to the 5 gods ^^

[@calvindelvecchio7358]

Is jannik sinner moky

[@bignoob24]

​@@calvindelvecchio7358 I love watching Sinner play, I have no idea what his melee comparison would be.

[@camerontate3806]

I was travelling in the US when G4 was on, and decided to travel to San Jose without my family or partner for the weekend to attend. It remains without a doubt one of, if not the greatest weekends of my life, with this set being the peak. I didn't know a soul there, but that energy in the crowd truely brought everyone together. I was hugging random strangers left and right between the games. Truely amazing how the energy brings everyone together

[@SayaWatashi]

I got chills as soon as you said at the beginning “10 part documentary series.” Going to be an incredible look-back at some sets.

[@kristiankelloway127]

Whenever I see someone ask what the greatest Melee set of all time is, the first thing that always comes to mind is Mang0's Firebird on Pokemon Stadium

[@chasemcfarland2851]

I wish I knew who it was playing, but there's an incredible Peach - Puff set that I regard as the best. I think turndownforwalt made a video on it.

[@chasemcfarland2851]

It was HBox vs LoD. Turndownforwalt does have a video on it from 3 years ago

[@BigSpence225]

This channel pivot is brilliant. Well done Walt, excited to see what else you got in the works for this year.

[@tim..indeed]

0:01 now that I think about it there's probably some crazy storylines in competitive slapping as well.

[@gusonian8637]

Now THAT is a thumbnail. Super excited for this!

[@MW_FSmash]

I was there for this. Life changing moment. I can still hear the mango cheers and feel the adrenaline. I was standing by the door next to JWittz, who was playing ROB in 4.

[@spenceranderson9965]

This is a really good video! If I might make a suggestion, when playing important clips of the game (like that Mango up b) it might work better to put in the audio and commentary and let the game speak for itself. I feel like hearing the crowd reaction and seeing the clips play out would help to highlight stuff like that.

[@jensen823]

For sure

[@anapostrock]

I remember how I felt watching from Sweden. That year I had hosted several larger EU tournaments and the sheer amount of work meant I was kind of in a place where I was on the brink of taking a long break from the game. Then this set happened and that fire was not only reignited but arguably greater than ever. Amazing work tdfw, your videos are criminally underrated.

[@sickteej]

one of my favorite lines of commentary of all time is Scar's "OH NO.. FOR LEFFEN". You can just hear his brain freaking out. (greatest commentary of all time series would be awesome too)

[@thomascarroll9707]

Walt, this is quite possibly your best video yet. We can't WAIT for the rest of this series

[@noahbettauer6718]

Tennis guy here - loved the video! I’ve always felt that Mango is the Federer of Melee. Both being the “flow state” player, with styles that many believe represent how the game is meant to be played. Both generate the same hype and are no doubt the faces of their respective craft as well.

[@Controllerhead]

Super Smash Bros. Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube

[@OhMuhDosh]

I remember the day after this set happened I showed it to someone at my work who knew nothing about competitive melee, and eve he was blown away by the story-telling through the gameplay. Thanks for reminding me of it!

[@dorktriogamer2865]

If I had a nickel every time a professional video essay compared a set of meelee to a match in tennis I'd have two nickels, which isn't alot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@fudgebucket21]

Considering how often people used to recommend the inner game of tennis to melee players, I can't say I'm too surprised

[@chrisr.5647]

i’ve noticed that mango picks yoshis story when he wants to win the set and stadium when he wants to win the tournament

[@AndrewRKenny]

I remember seeing this live in-person and the energy in the room at the end of game four was incredible. A magical set indeed. There's a very short bit of awkwardness in the script of this one but I think you did a great job of telling the story behind this set. I encourage everybody to watch it online themselves, the mood was electric!

[@mithias1]

To this day, this is the only set that I remember exactly where I was when I saw it. Sitting at Radjunk in Pensacola, the whole tourney I was in stopped to watch both Mango Leffen sets from G4. Love this game.

[@Valnoir_]

I’ll never forget where I was and what I was doing when I watched this set live. Core memory

[@xaviermcknight1510]

In your house watching the set lol :p

[@Valnoir_]

@@xaviermcknight1510 I was playing Star Wars the old republic. Sitting in my garage. I can remember it like it was yesterday.

[@NeonMyloXyloto]

DUDE you articulated this beautifully, this was also a core memory for me, i remember it and reminisce to that time a lot

[@BOLLCAPS]

I had my eyes full of tears end of chapter 3/start of chapter 4 Since 2017 i've been a spectator of Smash (Melee first and Ultimate then, more than often watching both now) and watching this has made me realize my attachment to this series and how many memories i have with it

[@MinusMadi]

I love how this channel always provides non-melee context for setting, themes, and timelines. It really helps ground the story in the real world

[@girardamoyo]

If I can go back in time to when my younger self watched the Smash Brother’s Doc when it first came out, I’d tell my younger self that the documentaries and content to come are unmatched.

[@DoubleComments]

One of the few sets/tournaments I got to see live, I still lose my mind when I re-watch the set

[@incarnate1]

Appreciate this series. As Melee dwindles down and fades from the spotlight, the historians and storytellers become increasingly important to its legacy.

[@captaineflowchapka5535]

when you talk about the in person experience i thought of day thatt i was watching from home the jmook win genesis i watched everything live on twitch , i was alone at like 4 am when he landed the famous combo on ibdw i physicly jump from my bed , screaming with no sound coming out and that was one man alone at 4 am there was a crowd of like 400 people in the same state some thousand of kilometers away that moment melee was not poetry , it was gaming distiled to perfection

[@huntersnider9621]

A Melee video where you also shout out Roger and Rafa - I am the target audience exactly

[@Darksilver740]

Scar's scream gets me everytime. "Oohh! That Up B was so smart!.....AAAAAHHHH*

[@equu497]

man, when I saw this video in my feed I thought it was something that happened at this year's genesis and i was so mad that i missed it. Glad that wasn't the case. Great timing on the release, and well done Walt!

[@lilboyubertan]

This is so sick dude. This is the content everyone dreams of and keep the community alive. Kudos bro.

[@Graugus]

THIS VIDEO ESSAY WAS ACTUALLY ART THANK YOU FOR MAKING ART WHILE RECOGNIZING ART, YOUVE UNINTENTIONALLY MADE ART INCEPTION

[@simanolastname2399]

What's funny is that this was followed by one of the greatest Grand Finals beatdowns in Melee history, where Armada 3-0d Mang0 in grands in 9 minutes with 2 2 stocks and a 3 stock. Just goes to show how insane Armada was.

[@hueycotton]

This whole tournament was magical. I’m a Bay Area native so this was a local event for me (San Jose convention center iirc). Watching this set and feeling the energy from the spectators was more electric than any sporting event I’ve ever been to. Everyone was locked in. Also, not on the mainstage, but when S2J took Armada to game 5 there were literally people standing on chairs. The whole venue was on their feet screaming for Johnny. It was amazing. Everyone got sick too, it was deemed the Genesickness. It was like a flu that destroyed everyone. This was before Covid so we all just took it on the chin. The event was so sick everyone literally got sick. Fucking 10/10 tournament

[@TheRayadicto01]

I saw the game live on stream and remembered I had school the next day, the tournament ended at 2am my time but it was all worth it because of this set.

[@julianguillermo9112]

0:15 ARGENTINA MENTIONED!!!

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

Genesis 4 is one of the first tournaments I ever watched live on Twitch, along with Big House 6. Seeing this set in person must've been beyond incredible.

[@henryreturns1397]

Another anologies for this insane GOATED sets : - Leffen represents order , optimal , effectiveness , adaptability , repetition - Mang0 represents chaos , freedom , creativity , stubbornness , unpredictability

[@weaselsdawg]

theres conflict in aligning adaptability and repetition against stubbornness and unpredictability, i think mango's a highly adaptive player a lot of the time and leffen always seems to be aiming at a more static ideal of optimal play

[@penofficial_]

Man am I looking forward to evo 2016 gf. That’s my favorite set in all of melee history.

[@bubisbuns]

Ok but what about Chris Best vs Net1234?? Easily the set of all time

[@turndownforwalt]

This is so real

[@Benetheburrito]

The intro is so peak

[@lucaslopera8983]

awesome storytelling, editing, and narration. best video i’ve watched in a while. congrats on creating something beautiful and of high caliber.

[@TheDudeSmashTrash]

I still finding myself rewatching this set every so often

[@alexoreo105]

FINALLY, someone is acknowledging this set for what it is. absolutely peak Melee

[@Brandovichie]

great video, cant wait to see the rest of the series

[@zhangdynasty1486]

Absolutely amazing analysis video! Loved it so much I remember watching the vod for this right after it went live and just getting hyped at my desk. I can’t wait for the series! Keep up the good content!!

[@JoeDejacque]

Amazing video, remember watching this set live on Twitch and I was going wiiiiiild, what a crazy Up B lmao Thanks for the content Walt, hope you continue this ‘Greatest Sets’ series, loads of amazing individual stories that need remembering

[@derkevevin]

0:55 what a pop off, wizzy looking like bowser or something 😂

[@zazenbo]

watching it live was WILD

[@bigshamille]

walt this video is fantastic. i love your long form videos and its great to see you in a place where you're able to work on some. "as part of a 10 part series" made me pop off.

[@TheHighPhilosopher]

Walt you straight killed it with this one. Your editing is reaching top notch. I hope this spreads around - the world needs to witness Melee.

[@bryce_in_bloom3592]

One thing I've noticed, as well as being in person to witness amazing Melee, is watching amazing moments with friends, can be just as exciting and memorable. I wasn't there, but watching Plup beat Armada with all the homies after a tournament will never leave me

[@ChongosBongos]

The voice over and editing of this video is amazing! Keep up with the great vids!! You’ll go far

[@kevinwilliamson1462]

I don't appreciate you calling me out in your sponsor segment Walt.

[@sdn14]

So cool that you used the Federer vs Nadal reference. Their 2008 Wimbledon match was so good the is a documentary on it!

[@Veeto]

cant wait for this series, cant imagine all the work you've already put in for this and i know it will go beyond expectations

[@bigguygabe]

God. This is one of the most well constructed and edited smash videos I've ever seen.

[@tristanswim]

This was the first competitive melee set I'd ever seen! years after being obsessed with the game as a kid and checking in what was happening. Didn't even know who was playing who, but the thrill of it started my curiosity into the scenes history and have been following ever since. Now recently have finally become involved in competing myself.

[@N810garcia]

Keep up the good work. These videos are legit streaming service/documentary levels of quality. Appreciate you showing your passion for the scene.

[@johannesgutenburg9837]

the ten minute milk lmao. gotta get that ad revenue

[@skylerjoeshow]

THIS CONTENT! LETS GO DUDE! SO SICK! WAS BORN 94, NEED I SAY MOREé

[@EthanALS]

Watching competitive League Of Legends is just so silly looking when you don’t know what’s going on. It’s like when you kick and ant hill and stuff just starts running everywhere

[@fistingkoalas]

Phenomenal video once again. I recently spent about a week going through a lot of melee's history for most iconic sets. I don't know if everyone else feels the same, but I really hope some doubles sets make it into this series. The rivalry between PewFat and team UGS is as compelling as any singles story.

[@Carrigan1248]

I was at Genesis 4 and saw this live. It is the greatest Melee moment I've ever been part of, passing any set/tournament win I myself have gotten. Genuinely magic.

[@ranchdubois8990]

Walt, I’m halfway through this video, but this is your best work. Wow.

[@steveydoesglasgow]

LET’S GOOOOOO!!!!! What an absolutely banging series, can’t wait to get the boys round to watch the next one

[@kevinguimond7711]

Glad I also feel the same about seeing a tournament in person vs at home. The energy and atmosphere you get is so great and makes the games all the more exciting to watch. Also, I'm Kevin. So I'll guess I'll be getting some of that merch now.

[@DaxIsAName]

The sports analogies are sending me rn. This video is so well done.

[@Hackcam]

this channel needs 10x the amount of views it's getting

[@ansonen7864]

And now, Leffen is giving us fantastic stories in Guilty Gear as well. Excited to see more of this series!

[@ethanmuyskens]

thumbnail is really sick, great video!

[@jwalton1915]

It’s crazy I live in times where stuff like happened. A video game creating legendary storylines ❤

[@jordangidley1606]

Your videos hit different Walt. You have gotten into such a groove, love you brother!

[@NebbyG69]

Videos showcasing our beautiful game like this are so important for the future generation of players. As someone who started playing due to watching the smash doc this is awesome.

[@20102010b]

The last two videos have been some of the best in years. Really good shit Walt and team

[@KVMII]

You probably know this but just wanted to say that everything about your videos is on point. Great editing and writing throughout. Thank you for making videos.

[@Mistrudels]

Walt, you have truly solidified yourself as the GOAT of melee content creation

[@wendaled]

this is an incredible video from top to bottom, love every second of work you put into this

[@statisticallysound]

bruh the videos just keep getting better and better, great job

[@bibbyboxx2219]

Federer’s return to form in 2017 was legendary and it’s sick to see it linked to Melee. Awesome video.

[@E-Brightvoid]

I neeeeeed a full Chart Party style video from you Walt!

[@stompknee]

This is an awesome series idea!!! Can’t wait for all of these!

[@anthonyvarzino1094]

Amazing video. I think now you should turn your attention to why Prog and D1 were so important in the scenes formative years. These kids dont know. They gave so much time and money and overcoming adverity to foster this community into what it is today

[@cbrohawn96]

The TSM vs C9 angle seems pretty superfluous

[@zachsteiner]

This is a good video idea. This is an absolute classic set. Very happy to see you cover it.

[@Nick_Reinhardt]

Came for the absolute fire thumbnail

[@matthewflanagan9101]

That up-b is the single greatest input in competitive melee's history.

[@STORMWHITEpro]

Watching this set live was unreal. It was one of the most brutal sets ive ever seen.

[@adamquenano8563]

What’s funny is Mango probably would disagree with this being the best set

[@mint1250]

only a minute in but the editing is top

[@SickAttorney]

I'm such a major tennis fan so seeing the Fedal references I am in love.

[@AK-ir1se]

bro saw the new mang0 doc and now he's got a new standard to beat lolol. great work so far, man

[@tokisuno]

it's about time a video was made on this set. i remember watching genesis 4 in bed late at night in highschool. i told my friends the next day about this set and how amazing it was.

[@TheWagn156]

I remember watching this set live on stream. Pure magic. Long live melee.

[@sake2582]

i just rewatched this set yesterday wow

[@epictoast]

can we talk about that thumbnail it looks amazing

[@BaneOfXistence4]

I'm glad this set is still getting the recognition it deserves.