[TW: Ableism]

[@sunbonn]

hey! this is my account with bonnie (the one whos dms with craig are in the video) we are the two systems who were moderators in the server and i would just like to clear some misinfo up!! 1. tupperbox was not implimented for systems, that would be pluralkit. tupperbox was implimented for roleplay. the issue was that people were using that bot to talk as their fictionkins in normal conversation, even though they could just change their username if they wanted to be referred to as that character, while us systems NEED the bots for other alters to be heard in a non confusing way. 2. fictionkin bots were always allowed, craig used them too. i (sunny) made an announcement asking people to stop using the bots for just normal talking and craig retconned my request saying it was a “big rule” and that i didnt come to craig first. then as we explained it he eventually made an announcement apologizing and started listening to systems. a few hours later and the rule was retconned again!!! craig loooves listening to systems!!/sarc 3.. the live stream wasnt three hours, it was only 50 minutes. however, we spoke and tried to get craig to remove the bots for at least 5 HOURS. 4. also systems are not just did!! there is also osdd (otherwise specified identity disorder) besides that, this is a really well put video, im super glad you made it!! i wont really talk about the tone tags stuff because even though i am autistic and have adhd this comment is long enough and you got it all right anyway lol. - sunny 🧨

[@sunbonn]

also side note but me and bonnie were DEMODDED for speaking up about this. listening to systems huh craig…. sure…..

[@skyZzii]

go Sunny go Bonnie go Sunny go Bonnie whooooo 😁 You said hype u up so 👿 (this is izuru)

[@sunbonn]

@@skyZzii THANK U SKY

[@jackolantern6631]

this was really well articulated, thank u!!

[@MiniEmber]

A small correction, tupperbox was originally made tor tulpas but due to popularity in roleplay servers and systems using the bot, the purpose of the bot changed. The official website mentions both pural and roleplay multiple times. From the official tupper bot website Tupperbox lets you have many different profiles ("Tuppers") which you can choose between easily with every message you send! Why? Immersive roleplay as your favorite characters! For plural users, let your headmates express themselves naturally! Edit: I’m a singlet so will not and have no right to say my opinion on the tulpa situation, a massive drama did start because of tupper box being for tulpas (this can be found by searching up tupperbox controversy) but it died down after a while. The site wording was changed because of this situation. I’m only speaking up because I use tupperbox for roleplay in one server and I am in a different server that only has it for systems to use.

[@Flotalendy]

Before saying that I have no word in this, I was diagnosed with autism when I was 2 years old, around November 2004, so at least let me speak up about the tone tags

[@Demonetization_Symbol]

Lucky! I was diagnosed at 8!

[@gerardwayst]

I was diagnosed with ASD some months ago but I’ve been having therapy for my whole life,and I know what it feels like :(.

[@ruthiewoolapom8830]

I was diagnosed at 3!

[@IKilledSkinCells]

Is it bad to use TupperBox? I use that bot, and I don’t have a system. I know that PluraKit is for systems, so I don’t use plura anymore. But I thought tupper was for roleplaying….

[@Mavvviexx]

I also need the tone texts and I’m also autistic and I have a sever that hates using them and then a sever that loves using them, it’s really just hard with those servers

[@MarionetteStudiosYT]

As someone with ADHD who has issues with reading social cues, the tone tags part honestly made me feel mocked. I’m sorry for systems and neurodivergent people who felt like they were being mocked about this.

[@tear_of_lost_kit8667]

I also felt mocked by the misusing tone tags thing (I have ADHD as well).

[@cavernecho]

Same here ;-; (What’s worse is that I used to watch their videos before the drama)

[@funisinfinite.]

As a another person with ADHD, I agree. No one deserves this :(

[@pastelshadows6437]

I felt mocked by it as well, as an autistic person. I have difficulty with sarcasm over text when it comes from someone whose typing patterns I'm not familiar with, but I'm not stupid. I don't know whether or not any of it was intentional, but it definitely makes me feel as if I'm being babied, in a way.

[@MisterNijiueHat]

I might have Adhd

[@Marigold_Diaries]

People who are defending Lowkey should get a reality check. They've done terrible things and now they're getting the consequences. I never thought Lowkey would be problematic, but here we are. I thought this would be minor drama, like the M slur thing. But this turned out to be quite big. Nevertheless, let's hope Lowkey comes out a better person after all this.

[@Demonetization_Symbol]

What about the fictionkins?

[@Marigold_Diaries]

@@Demonetization_Symbol Fiction kins? I'm sorry, what do you mean? /gq

[@Demonetization_Symbol]

@@Marigold_Diaries it was explained in the video.

[@clownii_the_imp]

wait theres an m slur?

[@basil5690]

@@clownii_the_imp lowkey said the m word slur which is the n word slur but in Italian

[@sea4ngel]

what’s so messed up is that angie/angieloll has tried to come forward about craig’s behavior before. but the first time angie tried to speak up, people attacked them and called them childish and was like “I’m so sorry craig, you don’t deserve this 🥺🥺” but now the second time that angie comes forward, everyone believe them all of the sudden?? it’s so confusing 😭😭😭 I guess angie provided more proof, maybe that’s the reasoning. but yeah, I’m super disappointed in craig.

[@bunnyartz6]

Remember just because Craig has trauma doesn’t excuse his action

[@verysaltyperson]

I completely agree.

[@kuriichia]

Craig has been problematic for a LONG, LONG time. im glad you called this out. i was a admin in craigs server and i thought he was the good guy, but hes literally a terrible person, he even made a SA joke (what i heard) and as a victim of SA, i will have a never ending hate for him, that is NOT a funny joke. i hope he never comes back. thank you flotatendy for calling this out.

[@mariammuradyan395]

I have same wish for you

[@p1nk-gutzz]

@@mariammuradyan395 rude!

[@mariammuradyan395]

@@p1nk-gutzz thanks 😊

[@p1nk-gutzz]

@@mariammuradyan395 no problem

[@yourlocal4xshipper]

are you doing ok? :)

[@kitdoesstuff_official]

As someone who was diagnosed with autism a couple months ago, this is just absolutely disgusting. I have no other words about this situation

[@TheRealOceanicDreams]

Same.

[@CassieIsGae]

I was a fan of him for over a year. I never expected him to do something like this...

[@Suxhoz]

Same 😭

[@skyZzii]

I was involved in the drama, the entire situation is just so messy and I’m glad people are speaking up on it now, thank you 4 this 💞

[@Rejiiiiii]

something I hated about the discord was the triggers channels, The server had a channel for members, admins and owners to say their discomforts/triggers, this wouldn't have been a bad thing if it was a small server, but this server had over 1000 members, everyone had different triggers/discomforts. Some being very obscure (like mom, the word sorry, all that). This sent an alarm in my head, because Craig said to look at the channel. There are over 1000 members, this led to me being overwhelmed since atleast I had to basically censor everything. It can promit dogpiling (someone doesn't censor a trigger/discomfort they weren't aware and everyone harasses them).Triggers aren't anyone's responsibility. me having a discomfort for a ship isn't anyone's responsibility. there is no problem with censoring things, but please remember, not everyone is gonna do it.

[@adalanti4346]

I'm triggered by someone calling me "selfish" but not like an ego way because if I'm being selfish and you call me selfish I'll realize it and apologize. But if someone calls me "selfish" and it's not true or it's because I simply didn't want to do something for them cuz I knew it would be very bad for me/my mental health, it just triggers really bad memories such as /trigger words?/ the verbal abuse and manipulation I experienced. So I understand what you mean but I do think if people know it's a trigger they should be more considerate and careful and not mock them. ^^

[@classicaldino7909]

I was in the server once and got told that minors could fuck other minors..i left immediatly.

[@Rejiiiiii]

@@adalanti4346 yea, also if the triggers can happen to a lot of people (like g0re)

[@adalanti4346]

@@Rejiiiiii Exactly.

[@-Persephone_Wannabe-]

So here's the thing, I know what a trigger is, but I'm not exactly sure how to recognize it. Like, I know I probably have *A* trigger, I've been through enough things that I don't see any way I couldn't, but I'm not exactly sure how to tell what it is.

[@Amiaxoxo]

Honestly, Craig disappointed me, not once, TWICE. Multiple times systems reached out to xem but nothing changed. Thanks for covering this!

[@AC3_MARK3Y]

Dude, I always have this weird feeling with problematic people before they get problematic I stopped watching X's content about a month ago and now all this drama comes out and I feel so relieved that my blocking of them wasn't in vain I don't know how I know this, but I do Even in real life, my friend was rude to me for doing something even after I apologized so many times, so I stopped talking to them. Lo and behold, they're an asshole to my best friend as well. Moral of the story: My instincts are godly and I don't know if that's a good thing

[@sea4ngel]

omg, same! like I always had a bad feeling from Craig whenever I watched their content.

[@Rejiiiiii]

me too, something felt off about them but I just couldn't put my finger on it

[@Imreallybor3d]

At first they gave me a BIT of a weird vibe(mainly because i didn't know about them a lot) but eventually i started liking their content(i learnt about them from Angie) then the angie thing ensued and i started watching craig even more. And now this :(

[@sea4ngel]

@@Rejiiiiii fr!

[@sea4ngel]

@@Imreallybor3d yeah, I’m pretty disappointed in Craig :(

[@xmisstx]

I used to be a major fan of lowkey cause they made BFB content that was high quality and interesting. Then the drama happened and I realised that they weren't who I thought they were. I really hope that after they take a break they will learn and live to be a better person. I just have to say, DO NOT judge a person by their content. ( lowkey's content is good, their situation and what they had done is not )

[@SP4C1AL_]

Me too. I loved their ATA (amanda the adventurer) content.

[@pix6005]

I loved their danganronpa content, they were friends with a person I watched too that's how I found them :(

[@mango_god]

BFB is like my fav fandom and ive been watching and enjoying snice i was 6 (when BFDI was there) also sorry for my misspelling im kinda dslyxic (pls help me ;-;)

[@caucasiandestination]

SAMEEE they were literally the person that got me back into object shows in the first place, im highly dissapointed in them because of their actions, i hope everyone who was affected by them is okay.

[@lonelypins8515]

I also loved their BFB au that they made but sadly, not all things are good in the end. (Sorry if my grammar is bad here)

[@Unknownchannel0000]

(sorry for bad english, I'm Italian )It's incredible, I'm seriously disappointed about them,my cousin (1st grade) is autistic but he's a normal man in his 20's he always loved his family and my family, obviously there are some things that autism can do they are some difficult in conversation/expressions , or when they are put under pressure , but him lived a normal life, now he finished school and is helping his father whit work, I'm disappointed about Craig,they don't even know what is,just moking it, you don't know how it's a thing when you live whit them. Thank you FloatLendy for spreading this. Sending love from Italy!

[@storyoftonight]

as an autistic person, i do need tone tags, but not so many to the point they think im stupid or where its overwhelming. its not my place to forgive them since im not a system, but when they used /srs a lot it always confused me. which, misusing tone tags are ableist. i think what some of the phrases Craig said should've had a /j (joking) tag or /nsrs (not serious) tag. still, im dissapointed in them, twice. this is rude, but i always got "bad vibes" from them. im gonna be honest here, i saw it coming.

[@redruby111]

yep, same.

[@rænd0m_sl33pyh3ad]

as an autistic person (diagnosed around 4, i think) i need tone tags. like, a lot. but not so much that it's overwhelming. one would be fine. what i mean, i need tone tags, but only one in a comment (exceptions here and there) i think craig used a little too much. i can't forgive them as i don't have DID, but i do think they should calm down using the tone tags. i get things that may seem rude but are just jokes, but if it seems serious and is serious, you don't need to use /srs.

[@candyoblivion6228]

I'm also autistic and I agree. If someone tells me something as a joke and don't use tone tags I might take it seriously

[@rænd0m_sl33pyh3ad]

@@candyoblivion6228 yeah, you get it! look, would you take this seriously without emojis or tone tags?: you're stupid because, that's a joke. but it would be better if it was like: you're stupid /j or you're stupid 😭/😀/😧 ect. not you're stupid /j 😭😭😭😭😭 /pos /hj because that's too much-

[@remizstudio]

i use some tone tags and i didn’t know the back story, i am so sorry :(

[@xylophone_888]

"if it seems srs you don't need a tone tag" well it seems to you, and you are able to identify that it's serious a lot of people are unable to do this for example, i don't get almost all text intonations without tags ofc, using tone tags should not be a joke, and craig used them as one, but still /srs yeah /nm

[@rænd0m_sl33pyh3ad]

@@xylophone_888 ah, i get what you mean! i get some people can't always identify what is srs and what isn't. I can't all the time. and yeah, craig did use it as a joke. which offended me. btw ty for using the tone tag, one of the main things i don't understand is if people are mad or not.

[@ilefttogetthemilk]

Don't wanna defend Craig. But I think it's okay to let fiction kins use the bots, considering the bot was also made for that reason. Other than that, the fact that they ignored systems for two hours is just mean. If they were busy and unaware of what was happening, it's understandable. But they should've at least said something when they were aware. Hope I don't upset anyone by saying this.

[@tear_of_lost_kit8667]

I too think it’s ok for fickins to use Tupper (I myself Fickin many characters) and I even asked the official Tupper support server and they all said it was fine. But yeah ignoring the systems was not ok. I may not agree with the No using bots thing but he still shouldn’t have ignored them

[@mxsvnts3810]

Pluralkit for systems, Tupperbot for fictionkins. There, that should've been that. Thats how my friend group does it. The two systems use the pluralkit and the fictionkins/irls use the tupper. And ofc, all four of us use Tupper to roleplay aswell. I think the main reason why people are upset was because the systems felt like they were being ignored.

[@layla6630]

@@tear_of_lost_kit8667 But even if your technically allowed to do it, if it makes systems uncomfortable then we should listen to them and respect that and not use them, it’s as simple as that and that’s what Craig did wrong.

[@tear_of_lost_kit8667]

@@layla6630 And I agree. That is why if I were to ever rejoin the server I wouldn’t use the bot. I will continue to use the bot in other servers (as long as it doesn’t make systems uncomfy in those servers) however.

[@mona7438]

I feel like fictionkins should at least use tupper, I thought pluralkit was specifically for systems.. as much as i find most things ridiculous it’s even more ridiculous to forbid something just because you are insecure and get offended so easily aaa

[@H34RTZ2H0LZ]

As somone who is ND (I have ADHD Tourette’s and some sort of anxiety disorder) I will never accept this apology it was half assed and what they did was absolutely to horrible I thought they were a nice person but damn was I wrong they barley even tried to apologize or put effort into it at the least like I’m sorry wtf we have seen what they can do so that apology literally had no effort compared to their normal videos which shows that they probably just don’t care :’C

[@li_huaa]

This whole thing was so terrible and messy. Thank you for touching on this topic and bringing light to it. 💕

[@owoari]

When I left from the Gacha community i just remeber skits and alpha wolfs now that I come back there’s this much drama 😃

[@basil5690]

Yeah there’s so much drama happening this year

[@your_local_random5753]

I kind of feel really disappointed in the whole situation. I’ve been watching them for a while (angielol was still doing Danganronpa content and when Lowkeygenderless were still friends and actually dated for a bit) there have been a situation where a person named Ogiti (if that’s how you say it) had done death treats but after a few months they appeared on angielol’s channel. And when Angie had to apologize to Craig What Craig did was terrible. In no way do they have the right to do that. They can’t disrespect others like this. I wish that all this never happened. Thank you for going over this case.

[@yeaqqaqaaa]

Otogi, Otogi and Angie are good friends again.

[@_.z33._]

can someone please explain the otogi situation to me? i was around the channels during the time, but idk what really happened

[@NhanTran-vv6to]

@@_.z33._ otogi and angie were in a relationship but otogi kinda got uh toxic? i dont know how to exactly describe it but the relationship went downhill, but otogi and angie are on good terms now

[@r6kuyas]

i was involved in the drama. im sick of seeing people spread misinfo, and this was a huge relief. thank you for taking this topic seriously and putting info public in a respectful manner./gen

[@Nickel4181]

As someone who was affected by this drama, I’m very glad this word got to you! Thank you for touching up on this!

[@mikepocalypsedarvee922]

Okay, personally, as a fictionkin, the thing with the systems was not okay. Craig should have listened to the systems and remove the bot sooner. Now, I don’t know if I have autism or ADHD but I still think that the thing with the tone tags is messed up. X did some terrible stuff and people need to stop defending xem so much, because they are a terrible person.

[@Novasium]

I have 7 different personalities and I believe I get a say in this. I have a less severe version of DID called OSDD. Which means I don't get amnesia when I switch. With that out of the way, Tupperbox is a roleplay bot. I get that systems want to identify themselves as different people and it's good that Craig allowed them to do it. Getting diagnosed with DID is extremely hard and people with it usually have really hard lives. The cause of DID is usually severe childhood trauma, mostly ab//se. Getting diagnosed might take forever and people might never believe you, let alone think you are taking it. Not to mention even my own therapist doesn't take me seriously. She didn't officially diagnose me yet even if I made her talk to my alters. (Just because she didn't diagnose me DOES NOT mean I don't have alters. And having OSDD is just speculation, but believe me, it has research behind it, so no, I DID NOT self diagnose.) As specified in the pinned comment, fictionkins could just change their names and bio and such. Us people with alters NEED to use those bots sometimes, otherwise we have to resort in using different punctuation marks at the end of each sentence and they all keep asking "who is this". Not to mention Craig not talking to us just made us get extremely mad because we weren't taken seriously. As I said, getting diagnosed with DID is extremely difficult, you need certain specific symptoms, and most of the time, people will not take you seriously. Speaking from my experience that my therapist considers my alters as "emotions". I do believe I have a right to make a point if I have 7 personalities (most of them speaking as the same way as me) and a friend with diagnosed DID. Really, it's something difficult, and not being taken seriously by a "safe space" server owner just like you haven't been taken seriously for the rest of your life just hurts man. And angers.

[@Brylie3]

I've seen people who have said "I have autism and I don't even use tone tags.🙄" Autism comes on a spectrum and lots of people with autism use tone tags to understand if people are being sarcastic or genuine or such as. So please, even if you don't find tone tags useful. Don't just lable them as useless.

[@infernalazalea]

We used to like Lowkey's content but then all the drama started up, which we started to kinda distance ourselves from them? These were kinda the last straw for us as a neurodivergent system, it just feels so off for us and i'm glad he's getting called out. -Rat+Kaiba

[@Seefyfood]

As someone who was a huge fan of craig, this hurts a lot.I mean to me it just feels like the same old deal where all of this happens all of.a sudden (I'm not on the discord a whole lot) I'm really disappointed, similar to people with the creepshow art situation. I just hope that this doesn't go too far ine either direction, A. People bully and harass craig to the point where the leave their channel forever or B. Craig leaves for months and comes back as if nothing happened... /srs I feel so bad for Angie too, you could tell they were really close with craig at a time.

[@zeuskobelle]

Thank you for talking about this, Flo. Because alot of people might've not known about this situation. even If I'm not a system, I still find it understandable that they did not accept Craig's apology. It genuinely seems like the apology was a rush after xey got called out.

[@exlipse3813]

as a system who has adhd and autism, im so so so glad i never knew about before this and never joined his server

[@kaedesaihara8578]

I’ll be honest, the fictionkin/did debacle was a lose/lose for them. We clearly saw what happened when they let fictionkins use the tupper but I have a feeling they would’ve landed in hot water if they were to have refused fictionkins access to tupper.

[@n4r1z_0utp0zt]

Everyone is talking about the drama, but is anyone gonna talk about how good flo is at drawing?

[@renee0143]

She’s real good lol! Every time I try it looks trash 😅

[@Cris..]

I think her artstyle's adorable ^^/gen

[@Hananene_MySillies]

Yeah tbh l hate drawing hands

[@n4r1z_0utp0zt]

@@Hananene_MySillies oof same, hands are so annoying

[@Kitty_C]

Finally I can understand what’s been happening Thank you for the informative video!

[@YourLocalPie]

I was in the live, it started out with everyone confused on what happened then two people called Craig abelist. Everyone was confused then it all came to light and no one (except one person but no one listened to them) was on Craig’s side and were begging them to apologize and explaining why what they did was wrong. It took them 52 minutes to realize. Craig used “personally” too much and along with “me” and “I” and repeatedly told systems that they were listening but they weren’t. Although I would like to correct that the live was 52 minutes long but the situation lasted hours!

[@pastellaumbrella6591]

Im honestly glad they finally got called out. Angie had tried coming forward once but nobody believed them, i guess the second time people actually looked through the evidence. I feel so bad for angie tho :(

[@fremmie_]

2 of my close friends are autistic but they don’t need tone tags since I use a simpler way to speak (cause I’m not good at talking) but they often feel upset because they can’t tell whether someone is joking or not mad, etc. and I also see a lot of people use tone tags to talk to people who aren’t autistic because they don’t want a misunderstand to occur and I’m not really sure how tone tags work so I usually just use them for any of my friends that have general communication issues. I don’t know anyone with D.I.D nor have I really interacted with a system so I won’t say anything on that.

[@Vamppinkcutie]

Me hearing the word Craig just made me sing it’s Craig of the creek

[@opencutss]

CRAIG OF THE CREEK MENTIONED RAAAAAHHHHH

[@m1kaa17]

You explained everything so well and respectfully. And im glad you didnt get into stuff that didnt effect you!

[@OfficialLuni]

First discovered Craig a few months ago, and I got a bad vibe from them and stayed away. Even if I didn't like Craig, I never expected them to do something like this. So sorry to any systems in the server and any neurodivergent people who were offended and/or felt mocked

[@pix6005]

Hey I found u 3 days ago and u didn't wrote an essay like u promised >:(

[@OfficialLuni]

@@pix6005 enexpected writers block, but I have a draft of it lmao. I'll post it when it's done 🤩🤩

[@pix6005]

@@OfficialLuni ok yay

[@pix6005]

Take ur time

[@Ceral_]

I don't have Autism, but I have ADHD and Severe Anxiety at times. I use tone tags quite frequently or super specific wording because I have the lingering fear that someone will take what I'm saying the wrong way. I often appreciate it when others use tone tags too because sometimes I find it hard to read the room in real life (Or I just fail to think about it because I impulsively feel the need to say what's on my mind.) and that makes it infinitely harder to understand someone's tone from text sometimes. But from a lot of those screenshots, I can see how it can come across as mocking the usage of tone tags. Even with my anxiety, I don't use them in like every sentence. I sometimes don't even need to use them with friends because they have a general understanding of what I mean anyway. And I use emojis a lot too, so that probably helps. Even though I am definately not a system, I do think what Lowkeygenderless did was insulting. Surely there must have been other ways he could have done it to respect both parties, and I really dislike the fact that he put a rule in place, only to revoke it a few hours later. Maybe he had a good reason, maybe he didn't, either way I think he should have gone about it in a way that showed more respect towards the parties that the rule affected.

[@kiru___]

im done w/ the gacha community at this point. ive seen many popular creators fall and now this? im sorry for everyone and anyone who may've been affected by their dumbassery. i was there since like, maybe 10 or 15k subs, and now we've made it here. i wish everyone, including lowkey takes it easy, and i really hope they learn what they've done isn't good and own up to it.

[@PURPLE_1234AAA]

Finally someone puts the meaning of fictionkin in a video and doesn't just mention it and go on to the next subject. As a fictionkin myself, that always bothered me. So thank you for putting the description in the actual video.

[@goose1413]

I knew that he would be like this. A few months ago when I tried to message him, the impression he gave me led me to the conclusion that he may not be a good person. Turns out, he actually is problematic.

[@VelvetyAwesome]

It’s Sad How Bad Things Keep Happening

[@thegachasecuritycouncil4794]

Currently, Lowkeygenderless have been categorized as Level 2 "Unsafe" C-Mode for the usage of ableism. If he/she continues to do such intent (aka mocking the tags), then I will upgrade it to Level 3 "Unsuitable" C-Mode.

[@1ffurina]

Off topic (kinda) from the video but i always thought the tone tag “/hj” meant “head joke,, 😢 Edit: I use tone tags but i don’t use it alot

[@Whenwillg0dl3tmedie]

THANK YOU SO MUCH for making this video because I didn't know what was going on at all :(

[@Subkitter]

:33< the thing is that people dont realize systems CAN have fictionkins. this is one of the reasons why systems had felt like they were being mocked and uncomfortable.

[@BAGELBURGERMEAL]

i knew craig was a red flag!! as an x fictionkin, this is completely..well..

[@JustSomeRando_]

Thank you so much for the information this is one of the only videos on yt about the Craig drama that I only found out existed until earlier today. Thank you for the tone tag info as well ive been off social media for around a year and I didn’t know what they were so it helped a lot!😅 P.s Keep up the good work 💕💕

[@스카페리온]

I can’t believe they’ve done this. I feel so betrayed.

[@fluffkitten]

I watched this whole thing go down and it was so baffling how inconsiderate they were, I’m just so disappointed and I’m sorry to the systems who were hurt by this

[@hellokittyenthusiast]

Personally i have not been diagnosed with adhd or autism but I sometimes need tone tags to make sure I don’t misunderstand the sentence (especially when it comes to whether the message is lighthearted or serious). So I find it really confusing whenever he misuses tone tags 😭😭 I once saw him use “/srs” and then “/j” right afterwards and like…..?? Huh!?!? 😭😭

[@satirestudios5413]

Me as well. I struggle to differentiate bullying, sarcasm and lighthearted things

[@hellokittyenthusiast]

@@satirestudios5413 yeah same, it’s kinda hard to differentiate between those tones and i get confused when people say something as a joke yet it sounds serious to me djnejdnefnmemddm

[@MistyRainClouds06]

I was diagnosed with autism a few days ago but even before that I needed tone tags to understand when other people were joking and it makes me angry that this person would mock them when these tags are something we need

[@thatlastgerm]

As an autistic person, I did find that offensive, I found how they used tone tags confusing. Really, I feel like they're mocking us, I'm glad not alone with being a neurodivergent person. Thank you so much for this video, I appreciate you! /srs

[@katzideer2268]

I have adhd and need the tone tags or else I will be confused and severely hurt so the misuse of tone tags is just…frustrating at the least. At the most…I don’t wanna get into it. My point is they also said the N word in Italian but won’t get into that but as an AA that was…just that hurt…

[@Rainy_jay8876]

Wow I haven’t kept up with their account in a while this is awful I just finished reading the card thing and I’m just speechless and don’t know how to feel. Thank you for putting light on this situation so more people are informed

[@Shaethefae1017]

Thank you for speaking about this. I used to be a fan of Craig and I’m very disappointed in him.

[@sailorpanda]

I have adhd and to me the tone tag part was very confusing. Tone tags are supposed to clear things up in digital conversations (I think) but they just made their sentences confusing by using the ones they did.

[@miguelillusion]

I want to thank you for making this video, even though I'm probably not in any of these categories (except maybe ADHD I don't know yet) Also thanks for describing tone tags! I was confused on how they worked, and i usually need justification for if something is like a joke or not bc sometimes I can't tell 😅

[@vaeh_xo]

That live was so uncomfortable I was there the entire time and it was awful. Thank you for speaking up about this ❤️❤️

[@thnkpad]

as aperson who kins characters, im sorry for this :/

[@Ellie-pe4fm]

I'm really glad you made a video on Craig, they were ( maybe are ) my favorite gachatuber and I'm very confused right now.

[@RemiStarz26]

As someone with diagnosed ADHD I also need tone tags as it’s very difficult for me to understand what’s a joke and what’s not. The sentences made me so confused 😵‍💫 Considering they were using /gen and /srs for sentences that I would’ve thought were satirical

[@Munikoo]

I knew Lowkey was going to be problematic. Unfortunately, a lot of famous gacha KZbinrs or just famous people in general are this way.

[@jimhalpertismygirlfriend]

I was looking at lowkeys vid and looking at the comments (also first time seeing the drama) and I thought, “ohh! so is low the victim? why are they saying that the feel bad for low?” thank you for making this it cleared some stuff up for me

[@DontSpeakNow13]

2:26 OMG IM IN THE MIDDLE!! I took that video down cuz I was kinda mean, but that’s me!!

[@sunseedleaf]

small correction for the people in the comments, Pluralkit can be used by non systems and systems alike, yes pluralkit has "plural" in it, but the website itself says you can use this for roleplaying and otherkin but it was created with systems in mind. Check the pluralkit FAQ if you don't believe me.

[@justamyay]

Excited for the vid!

[@mystascakes]

I had adhd,sensitivechild and, got harrassed back on 2011 in japan train.Still traumatize.My family knows so they taught/learn abt tone tags.Seeing some people using this as a joke.I feel attacked like mhen respect

[@bluexmxty]

As someone who is in the OSC and Gacha community i am discusted at them, so I'm taking a break from those two communitys for a while all because of them.

[@soxthestuffie]

As someone with DID, medically recognised before anyone starts up shit, [were also autistic but I'm not gonna talk abt that bit] People should not use bots if they don't need to, of course I can stop anyone but using bots for things like fiction kins can cause disaosiation in the person doing it. The reason systems use bots like tupper/pluralkit is to HELP them differentiate and figure out who we are and deal with our disaosiation, but if someone does not experience disaosiation uses these bots it causes a disconnect between themselves and themselves when they're experiencing their kin stronger. Which can be EXTREMELY detrimental to your mental health and can cause literal disaosiative disorders [not like did/osdd but non plural ones yknow]. It's just stupid imo. Like I'm not gonna yell at someone for it but I deeply advise against it.

[@krill_god]

Man this video was a rollercoaster, as a otherkin and fictokin being as well as an autistic person I’m extremely upset with whoever was running the server. Although otherkin can be used to cope it doesn’t mean that those with DID/OSDD/systems in general deserve to be silenced. Even if I wanted to use the bot for otherkin reasons, if systems were uncomfortable with the usage of the bot in that fashion in a server I run, I’d actually listen, like most people. And the use of tone tags is very important for me as well, when people don’t use them or if I don’t know a person well enough to know if they are joking or not, I often mess up relationships because I take that comment seriously. Knowing that there are people who don’t understand the necessity for tone tags and use them in a mocking sense is extremely disrespectful and ableist. Thank you for making this video, I find it extremely important for those uniformed

[@birdie__2534]

Cochlear user here, i use tone tags because i can understand when is joke or not. I am not autistic, but I can, i want learn about them autistic people, i may don't understand yet, but I try to speak to them... /srs

[@SILLY.SOR1N]

im a questioning autistic and what lowkeygenderless did really shocked me.. about the tonetags: I myself need tonetags but it felt as if lowkey was mocking them? they said their status was ben then used the /serious tonetag? that makes no sense.. I get that they are a kid and all but they are what? 14 now? at 11-12 I was more mature than that. I wasnt really a fan of their content mostly because it was danganronpa and danganronpa is really problematic (google is free dont ask me!)

[@mariammuradyan395]

And of course you gonna believe google

[@zeuskobelle]

But, really, It's DanganRonpa. A killing game about murdering eachother to get out. I couldn't expect it to be that "innocent" to be honest... It's just cruelty. /g /nm

[@shroomfroggy4313]

I myself love danganronpa so I was k with his content, but as soon as I found out what he did I unsubbed. I truly agree with you, I am not a autistic person so I mostly do not use tone tags, I didn`t even know they existed when I first went on KZbin, but it does seem like he mocked some people like that.

[@basedlulu]

@@mariammuradyan395 wdym ☠

[@basedlulu]

Agreed.

[@cora12]

i'm so excited because i know that this video will be reasonable! edit : oop

[@ironicallylight]

As someone with adhd i also need tone indicators sometimes (especially through text) because i can't tell if someone is mad or not because alot of my friends (including me) have an aggressive way of joking. But using them to much definitely confuses me

[@amandan252]

Damn girl got the balls to tag the creator

[@mango_god]

as someone having Little Space (i have two, they're 5 and 6) i would MOST definitely need tone tags from people and a child friendly atmosphere around me. this just makes me feel uncomfotable and unsafe-

[@knifedbykeith]

not that related to the video but during the whole “racist audio” controversy, i was one of the people that commented that the audio that they were using included a racist slur and how they had also typed it out onto the video title, i was one of the first people to point it out (two other people had commented it), but as time went on and more people began to complain about it, they didnt reply nor apologize to any of those comments. it took them 3-4 whole days for them to take it down and change the audio, i shouldve known it was suspicious since it took them that long with so many complaints and their apology didnt help at all since they stated that they “didnt know it was a slur” which was stupid since that was the only reason it got popular in the first place. i stopped watching them after that but goddamn after reading that carrd, just sad to know that they probably just said that as an excuse to get out of everything.

[@strxwb3rryexists]

My god do I h8 timezones I’ll watch it tomorrow

[@Zoe12ss]

As an autistic person, I think there are limits to how much tone tags should be used. Don’t get me wrong I still need them for certain jokes/ sarcastic things, but there’s still a limit. Yes autistic people like me need them in *certain* situations but not *all* situations, most autistic people can understand that stuff is serious or not though wording if it’s not too confusing to tell. And if you use tone tags too much it just feels like mocking or thinking we’re stupid and can’t understand tone at all, which is just ableist if I’m being honest.

[@genthe1st]

I SUPPORT YOU GIRL DONT GIVE UP!!!!!

[@Umameru]

as a person who was a fan of him and loved his south park content it is sad.

[@veneraliaa]

As someone with social anxiety, I really struggle a lot to understand social situations. I try to think about what would be best, but due to my lack of proper social skills from anxiety, everything gets jumbled up in my head which makes stuff come out the wrong way. Not to mention my ocd causing hyperfixated related rambling. (Yes, I was diagnosed with both) This makes it very hard for me to communicate and understand other people because my head feels like it’s gonna explode, so I really need tonetags to understand what’s going on, since I can’t really understand how other people feel very well, much less over text. /gen /srs And what Craig was saying with the tonetags made absolutely no sense. 💀 /srs Like. THE FYM YOURE GONNA SHIT EVERYWHERE /HJ???? 😨😨 HJ?????? YOURE HALF JOKING!? WHICH PART IS A JOKE??? YOURE GONNA SHIT EVERYWHERE LIGHTHEARTEDLY IF I DONT LIKE THIS VIDEO RIGHT NOW??????????? HUH?? /hj

[@jisungism]

As a system that was affected by Craig, he didn’t listen to us systems at ALL. He said he listened but he clearly didn’t. He talked over us and said he listened. If he had ACTUALLY listened, none of this would’ve happened. Craig should’ve known better and actually listened to us systems. It’s unbelievable that xe would do something like this. It’s honestly disappointing seeing Craig do this. If he had just LISTENED to us, everything would be okay and xe wouldn’t have to worry about ANYTHING. He could tell systems were uncomfortable with the rule. Even myself, said so. Tons of people left due to Craig being abelist. I don’t blame them. Lots of people were telling Craig to remove the rule but xe decided not to as they said “its my final decision.”

[@jeankirschteinliker6969]

what a time to be a fictionkin and a host of a did system!

[@lightnight9822]

Wakey wakey, time for rant.. I will edit this and say what I think about it it after the vid. I do watch low key genderless, so this might be biased or not, I believe everything you said, but I kinda think Craig was confused- or just didn’t know what to do. (About the bot) I do need to do some research about what else Craig did, because I myself am still a bit confused why some of my other gacha tubers I watch hate Craig so much..

[@creatiicreamii]

Ik this drama is practically done and over with but it's honestly sad to see a gachatuber that did bfdi content go down this path since there's a huge lack of bfb content when it comes to gacha

[@arch3r_istired]

i'm not totally sure what happened, but i have autism as well, so i have a feeling that i'm not going to like what i hear in this video.

[@Yer_blue_angel]

I’m autistic (high functioning) but I don’t need tone tags most of the time. I can usually tell if something’s a joke or not. It’s annoying how people think we’re stupid and can’t differentiate a simple sentence from a joke or seriousness.

[@httxps]

This whole video was settling and relieving to know the full situation, though there's only one thing that made me just a tiny bit mad PLEASE, when you're talking about systems, DID isn't the only disorder that falls under the category for those systems. OSDD, (OSDD-1a, OSDD-1b) exists too. It always makes me so upset as an osdd-1a system that people always leave us out. Also, for the tupperbox situation I'd also like to say something Tupperbox was NOT made for systems. It was a box made for "roleplaying" and a way for singlets/non-systems in general to feel included for whatever reason. Although, systems do use tupperbox, it is not the correct bot The preferred and recommended bot for systems is pluralkit. It's a much easier and more official bot for systems, with much more features for them. ((I'm not criticizing you or anything ! I just wanted to put this little thing out there since it's something I noticed. Otherwise, this video was great information!)

[@magmathewolfmtw548]

Shoot- I gotta sleep.. I guess Ill have to watch this next week cuz im going outta town tomorrow..

[@starrycharacter]

I agree with the tone tags this thing as someone who also has a hard time reading tone especially in text messages me and my friends who are also narrow divergent use them a lot to help each other understand what we're trying to convey in a message and someone using them incorrectly can be extremely upsetting and I know it sounds silly but if but tone tags are unnecessary tool and should not be used incorrectly

[@BreadSourdoughBaguette]

I had no idea what was happening with craig about the tone tags or what was happening in the discord server tysm for telling me what happened cuz I was very confused. I didn’t even know the / Stuff was called tone tags!

[@nosensewhatsoever]

I was a fan for a couple of months And I'm also autistic Idk how many people realise this but this stuff fucking hurts

[@xLynand_]

I'm honestly a big fan of lowkey bcs of his bfb contents and how good are his designs and i saw 2 of his videos apologizing and taking break I knew something bad happened but I couldn't really understand the whole situation.

[@_JD_Heart_]

I’m autistic myself and I barely just learned what tone tags are /srs

[@Roguemeowmeow]

I was confused on what people meant for the ableist part but now I understand what they meant, also my thoughts on how Craiq misused the tone tags just doesn't sit right with me. I often use them to make things easier to understand the tone of what someone means. It's sad Craiq did these things honestly, I used to watch their content but finding out about what they did just was jarring to watch and honestly I'm glad people spoke up about what they did