How Much Better is the Vengeance W/ X2 & ISO Mags | Star Trek Online

The Kelvin Timeline Vengeance Intel Dreadnought Cruiser has always been a good ship in Star Trek Online. Also known as the Vengeance this ship was added to the game in 2016. STO has changed alot since then. In this video I go over had well the ship can do with the addition of X2 and ISO Mags. We will look at an ISO mag build on the Kelvin Timeline Vengeance Intel Dreadnought Cruiser.
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[@SGz_Eliminated]

My main toon uses the Vengeance as their primary ship, it was gifted to me many many years ago by a friend and I've loved and used it ever since. Mine has had a variety of builds on it over the years but its currently using a Baul Anitproton Surgical Strikes build with a full set of Isomags and it serves me very well.

[@SkydreamPony]

I need to get the isomags for mine. I built mine before they came out so it's full Ba'ul AP with locators/exploiters. Even then though, it shreds :D

[@SGz_Eliminated]

@@SkydreamPony I'd defo make the switch to isomags, I noticed a pretty big difference personally and they're also cheap as right now unlike the 25m a piece I had to pay

[@SkydreamPony]

@@SGz_Eliminated That is the plan, and with isomag parts easier to get, all the better. Just that, for now, locators do the job just fine :3

[@chadwickmccarty4944]

Too true about how most ships don't age well over time & the Vengeance is one of those exceptions. I had not even thought about how it would be with IsoMags. Thanks for the vid.

[@cookiethegreat]

Certainly a powerful ship but combined with Isomags and the latest Meta build, it became extremely one of a kind!

[@TheMythriel]

The Vengeance was the first ship i REALLY wanted!! Awesome to see she can still fly so proud!!!

[@MCStu]

Same

[@WeOutlawsTV88]

same! First ship I ever got outside the campaigns, eventho I started playing few yrs before. In love with the ship ever since I saw it in the movie

[@AugmentedDictatorGames]

As the player with the highest FAW record at 1.7 million, it was super surprising to see FAW do old school damage again. Gives me more to work with and play around.😂

[@karlwood6832]

Runs about 300 million on the exchange.

[@tommyt7566]

Yawn... someone should give you a Navy Cert of Achievement for all the money you cost the VA to play video games. Typical Dawgy!

[@doubt3430]

240 mil

[@MechZilla]

I remember (unless I'm losing my memory) when the Kelvin verse started, and I forget who was the CM at the time, but when asked about the ships from the movies, he said it would be a cold day in hell before they would be in STO. Or something to that effect. Then they left, and not long after...here we are. Or, I could be having an alternate timeline memory. Possible.

[@MCStu]

The Kelvin ships have been in the game since before I started playing...

[@AK-qs5hw]

man i never got on the isomag thing since they were so expensive and even after this new isomag farm and prices coming down, i was feeling kind of lazy and didn't really want to get into it. Long story short, I setup my vengeance just now with 7 isomags and O M G.....yeah the crit chance number is lower but holy shit that made a MASSIVE DPS difference. This thing is so crazy now! Gonna have to refit some of my other cruisers now as well!

[@nolgroth]

While I will never spend the Lobi or EC on a single character unlock, the solid build theory here could apply to many 5/3 cruisers. The Fleet Shepard (Gagarin) would be a monster with all the X upgrades and this kind of build.

[@hal0justcal865]

Yup fleet Gagarin X2 is extremely strong. Turns like shit tho

[@MarkReed-smokindeist]

It's one of my main's primary ships and while I might not have a particularly optimal build, it is still a tanky beast. I did get all of the consoles for the Alternate Timeline set and while it's not OP, it is a fun set with a variety of ways to inflict a little pain on the baddies--with the full set bonus cutting down the cooldowns for the all consoles in that set. But you are definitely right on this still being a really decent ship today. Compared to my Galaxy X's that I fly (Fleet T6-X2, Sirius T6-X2), my T6-X Vengeance seems to be able to soak up quite a bit more punishment and be able to deliver it's own with some of the stuff I put on it--it can survive some pretty intense action and elites. I do plan on getting this one up to X2 and hopefully I can get it for another captain or two.

[@OntarioPete]

thanks MCSTU, i dug this ship out to start upgrading my different ships for dailies. Great video!

[@scrag0416]

So far I agree....don't have some the various traits you used and missing the Domino and M6 but she does have a nice punch!

[@PirateScumGaming]

I have a similar setup on mine but am running pulse phasers and i use it as a daily runner. Really solid ship. Need to fine tune it and parse it just for kicks.

[@Sm1ret]

Thank you for this information. I haven't played STO in a while, and I'm signing back on today. It seems that I have a lot to catch up on. Thanks again.

[@violabeaumont3758]

I love using this ship. I run a similar build excepts I am running Surgical Strikes instead of Fire at Will.

[@barrybend7189]

If only the mudd bundle was more available at a permanent discount.

[@judoskunk]

the vengeence is my main ship, i have it built to be a tank and i use fire at will to get as much threat as possible with Ba'ul antiproton beams. love this ship a ton, now i just gotta figure out how to get isomags, just learned about them this past week

[@MetalTeaCup]

This ship is and will always be my main, I’ve put tons of work into it, and the ship while it may not deal PvP levels of damage, it’s a jack of all trades, and can survive by itself if needed against hoards.

[@krystalleuenhagen]

Ive personally run the vengence for 6 years and i love it. Its by far my best tank build. 215k hull with 56% damage resistance, dps is 30k most critical hits so its great for team supporters. Ive updated to a lexington build which gives an extra univeral with its miracle worker trait. Its not as much a tank like the vengeance though, so i still prefer the vengeance. Great video

[@zalidane]

I liked this ship so much that I bought the Mudd’s bundle featuring it so all my characters can use it.

[@Defiant031636]

I go back and fourth between my Vengeance and Enterprise J (my only T6 ships, both upgraded to X2), my most recent build on the Vengeance uses Tetryon weapons and isomags. I recently switched back to my Enterprise J and have that as a Phaser build with isomags. I like them both.

[@lleutenantdan]

Thanks for doing this video. I have the vengeance on my "main" Engy toon. But I don't exactly have a great build for it. I still need to get phaser Isomags on it, but that toon already has 4 vulnerability locators... so there's definitely a "sunk cost" feeling. All that said, I have been having fun messing with Miracle worker boff seating on the Legendary Sovereign class now. Narrow Sensor Bands 1+2 is just gross when you're surrounded by enemies. But your choice of intel boff abilities on the vengeance is certainly interesting... I may use your build as a template to fix mine, lol.

[@mikemadness1607]

Excellent video - just what I’ve been looking for. I love this ship. I need to get the ISO-mags which I just learned about them. If you have a chance, I’d like to see more builds for this. Thank-you.

[@Syrenite]

Have and use it on my main tac as a main ship! (alternating with the legendary scimitar) Got it in the 50% lobi sale months after the first campaign event, glad I saved the lobi from that for so long Even though I don't use the uncon trait, nor the isomags, it deals and tanks a ton of damage with the colony consoles, it's crazy how much potential you can still get out of those combined with a handful of nice-to-have consoles (running disruptors with the Martok 2pc, a Pax Triburnium, and the new Hisperian fire console), tackles elites with no problem! Bonus: it doesn't end the fun as fast as full meta setups haha

[@senatuspopulusqueromanus2082]

Was gifted it yesterday by some dude on Risa. Very cool thing, although I still feel that it's unearned, I was going to farm lobi for it

[@Shadow200001]

My personal weapon build for Ships like this, I suggest for the fore weapons, Two beam arrays, Two Omni's And One torpedo. In the Aft I equip two beam arrays, and torpedo. Then I always have at least 5 weapons on the front or aft.

[@ocabear]

Awesome vid, I need to put this on my Vengence.

[@FreakyTeeth]

Thing is though, Janeway in Voyager once said that the ships in the TOS era were "half as fast" than the ones they had in the 2370s. So, assuming the Enterprise of the kelvin timeline was equally as fast as the Enterprise of TOS which it probably was if not slightly faster bearing in mind that Nero's attack on the Kelvin would've doubtless encouraged Starfleet to increase the maximum speed of their ships (certainly it encouraged the "Kelvin pods" and clearly the differences in phasers firing individual shots as opposed to beams was at least partially caused by the Nero attack on the Kelvin), and as Khan said the Vengeance had "3 times the speed" and when Sulu picked up on the Vengeance he said it was a reading he "didn't understand" suggesting that the technology was super-advanced. So with that in mind, logically the Vengeance is faster than the Voyager. But of course, this is Star Trek, logic is a joke.

[@toddmccorkle8309]

Just got back to STO, stopped playing right before this ship came out. It was THE ship I wanted, so much so that I'm playing again, in this ship;). Now to figure out what rep to get and where to get all those toys you're running....

[@aarongraddy4862]

remember having of these, its a power house, i called mine judge. down side it draws alot of fire

[@Athurius23]

i Like the Style off the ship looks great

[@Friedbrain11]

I am running FAW on my Styx. I have seen several people playing the Vengeance once again and I see why. Time for me to run it again. It used to be my favorite ship for a long time.

[@wickedcircle]

It is cool ship, I have it for my alt char, some people say its ugly ship but I think they are probably just jealous. lol I always get a "flash back" of the movie when I see that ship.

[@tobiasschorn7007]

hi, great video Could you tell me the name of the personal space trait in the first row of the 5th slot with the icon with the box. I can't find this anywhere

[@UkrainianPaulie]

Same here no clue.

[@Stuhl]

Intel Handler from the Last Generation Lockbox

[@Nemoticon]

Great vid... I've been juggling the idea of the Vengeance Vs the Inquiry for the Campaign Event this year. I really like tihs ship, but I do personally prefer MW ships however, so right now the Inquiry is looking like the better ship for me. But that may very well be subject to change!

[@pershing3346]

You could still get both. The Vengeance is very cheap on the exchange. Get yourself the inquiry with the Campaign and save up for the Vengeance later if ever you change your mind. My goal is to get the Legendary Dominion ship for the trait to extend Surgical Strikes 3.

[@Nemoticon]

@@pershing3346 Good thinking, thanks for the advice o7

[@johnlightspeed5931]

...never even knew about the ISO Mags lol. Guess I'll look into setting up my Vengeance, and see if I should pour in the resources to upgrade everything to Epic quality.

[@Dracounguis]

Is the competitive reputation impulse engine ever going to be outclassed? 😆 That turn boost is just so awesome.

[@AugmentedDictatorGames]

Probably not.

[@joshuapinkley8562]

I always see phaser builds with this ship. Id love some help with an antiproton build. So if you do another video. Maybe some ideas for different energy types. Also do isomags do antiproton?

[@MCStu]

I would just go with antiproton ISO mags and antiproton weapons

[@kevkilian]

Another great video! Thanks!

[@Keil2590]

I'm looking at your build and I have some Iso Mags, but can't seem to fit them to the ship, either in the universal console slot or the engineering console slots. A bunch of other consoles in my inventory 'highlight' and are slottable, but those 4 Iso Mags are not. Anyone, a little help? Ship is x2 upgraded like in the video and at time 6:38, I have that exact same Iso Mag and can't fit it to the ship for some reason. It's not selectable as a console for the ship. **Update** I figured it out...I still had those fleet dmg mods in the bottom 4 slots.

[@MCStu]

Make sure you don't have any fleet spire tac consoles slotted. You have only slop fleet spire tac consoles or ISOs.

[@Keil2590]

@@MCStu Thanks for the reply on an older vid. I just had to remove the 4 things in the lower slots, those fleet dmg things from an earlier build vid you had on the same ship. Still missing a lot from your build in this vid, but working on it.

[@BlueVentricle]

I don’t have the ship, but it is one of the first Lobbi ships I will be wanting to get

[@bountyhuntersgamingBHxG]

My dream ship for STO, how would I go about getting this ship? Is it still available ?

[@MCStu]

Player exchange or lobi store.

[@SteveSchweichler]

My main toon flies this ship.

[@ComradeNexus]

Actually picked up a Vengeance and my first isomags this week to run with SS3 & Vanguard Specialists. Only regret is that I’m basically out 200M EC because I’m absolutely getting the Vengeance account-wide later.

[@pershing3346]

Not too sure about your needs but wouldn't it be better for you to buy one the the Mudd Bundles? Obviously I know nothing of your play style or if you are completely F2P.

[@ComradeNexus]

@@pershing3346 Oh that's what I mean by getting it account-wide later. I wish I hadn't missed the bundle coming back at 50% by two weeks, we'll see if I'm still invested when it rolls around again.

[@pershing3346]

@@ComradeNexus I would seriously wait for a 75% off. That place is a ripoff!

[@Samuraith2077]

I haven't broke this ship out in a while, love the kelvin phasers for it and torpedo. Not sure how well isomags would go with a faw build.

[@ashregriffin]

I wonder how the atlas prototype dreadnought would do now with iso mags

[@GreatStarOcean117]

How do you get your hot bars split like that?

[@Stuhl]

Hit ESC, select Rearrange HUD, there should be a NEW Button on the Big Personal Tray #1 which enables #2

[@barricade8957]

Have mine, and still use the Kelvin Phasers & Torps (gold XVs) and probably won't change simply because of the firing rates, although most everything else is setup the way yours is, although I'm running a slightly different Eng console setup.

[@SD_FANZ209]

Been thinking about possibly aquiring a Kelvin timeline ship🤔

[@geminijustgemini7784]

i bet someone has mentioned it already but you are actually running the Disco 3pc. (Wide Angle DHBB) 16:17. And also 17:21 The Adaptive Emergency Systems console (which I love-Diet DPRM) is only for Odyssey, Bortasqu & Scimitar ships. UPDATE: I just slotted the Adaptive Emercency System to my Kelvin Intel Dreadnought Cruiser. So I'll be over here, standing corrected.

[@needparalegal]

Meta weapons come in both beam and cannon, I use both FAW and CSW. I had more Tac seats than tac abilities to slot anyways. Terran Task Force Cannon and beam, Discovery beam, remainder cannons. Use both Trillithium Enhanced turret and Trilithium Enhanced omni beam in the back. Opinion on this tactic?

[@DeadFilmsINC]

I have it on my Red Hood character just need level mastery just little bit more for the trait & yes planning to run Iso Mags got some Sci ones just need the Engineering ones. 🖖💜👌

[@gothic574]

well i'm writing this comment before watching all of the vid. thing is ever since I got my Vengeance I've been recommending it and on my opinion its one of the best ships in the lobi store (I play on ps4 and CsV just does not hold up there compared to BoL and other stuff )

[@EvilXero359]

Here's a fun idea, USS Vengeance vs The Warbird Scimitar

[@hal0justcal865]

The legendary scimmy comes out ontop in a PvP match up. Better seating but they'd be similar builds.

[@Wondrous_U]

Never got the Lobi crystals to buy it but it is my favorite ship in the game

[@scrag0416]

I am not sure which ship has it now but the M6 Computer is listed as being on the Perseus Temporal Battlecruiser via the wiki.....but it is not there. Any idea what ship it is on?

[@oburos_one2028]

I put the colony tac consoles on it and the Herold AP weapons, it's a POWERHOUSE

[@Dead_Pool_Rising]

I have this ship on account unlock. Still haven't done anything with it but it is x2ed already. I might have to try something like this on mine.

[@roelven1282]

my most beloved ship on my main fed (my main main main character).. i wanted it ever since i saw someone flying it.... and since then i gotten sozens of t6 event ships ... .but i still ONLY use this ship.

[@giantdutchviking]

Watched an old Inquiry build vid the other day. Unpopular opinion but actually like the look (deflector kinda has that Thunderbird 2 "belly" flow). Checked out C-store to see if I could buy it, but couldnt find it. So I went on to do a space dmg endeavour, looking through my active ship slots for a Tetryon build....and there's an actual Inquiry there. No idea how or when I got it as I normally only buy C-store, not lockbox ships...Anyways, it slaps harder then any other of my ships. Morale of the story, go check your drydock/active ship slots!

[@stue2298]

The Vengeance is one of my favourite ships in STO, i ready like the play style of cruisers. Have you tried using the phasers from the Constitution III the ones with the 210 degree fire arc instead of the dual beam banks? The Vengeance is the ship i use on my main on my FTP account and just outfitted it with Isomags a very good ship.

[@Capomendez]

when I watch your videos I feel like crying because I see your inventories and the parts you mount on your ships which are all mk 14 because then I see my poor inventories and my ships with mk 12 parts ​

[@charless1145]

The only fancy ships im missing are any winter/ summer ships since the t6 Breen, and any lobi/box ships since Around then. I have a toon for most themes. I really want my Undine captain's NX and T6 ships to shine. They look great, and i like the (non-canon) lore for that captain which i made up regarding them. I also really like my Tholian themed captain (ROM, engineering)'s lore, but the ships are only so so for me

[@MatthewBluefox]

Would an extra isomag do better than the butterfly console in the tac slot (replaced with the lorcator instead)?

[@jasonholder3501]

Can you do a mission reward budget build? Ty

[@doctheop3034]

Followed this build about 98% (based on what I had unlocked/available) and took it into ISA Elite. Did okay but died twice due to no Survivability clickies or traits. What's the ONE TRAIT you'd slot yourself to give heals / help survive? I'd rather give up a trait than a damage console.

[@jedimike7622]

The ones that I think is most accessible and come most often recommended are History Will Remember and Calm Before the Storm. HWR gives you bonuses as you get hit, which last until map move (warping out), and Calm stacks bonuses over time. I dont remember exact numbers, but I know those are often recommended from the Cstore as good budget traits. There might be others I dont know about, but I thought those would give you an idea to start with.

[@doctheop3034]

@@jedimike7622 Great. Have both of those… will compare and see how I fare. Thanks!

[@jedimike7622]

@@doctheop3034 you're welcome! LLAP

[@thetimelapsesketchbook.9088]

I love my Vengance: USS Thundergod.

[@markwilson185]

Yes it is I have one. with Iso mag it gives you all then bells Booms

[@Seppster.]

Sounds nice. Would the "Experimental Power Redirection Computer" from the Excelsior II and the "Assisted Flight Algorithms" for flanking damage also be a good choice for that build? :)

[@lawsonic]

In doing away with engineering resistances and advanced tacticals . is there a level/ship loadout where there is a disadvantage to swap over to isomags?

[@gr8oone007]

If your ship has more engineering and universal consoles than it does tactical consoles, then use the isomags. So for escorts stick with spire consoles, etc. Also, it doesn’t matter for science ships if you’re using science abilities as your main damage output.

[@darkghost0523]

Thank you for the video. Guess it's time dust off the old Vengeance 😎😎😎

[@lino222]

30:10 why change ETM? It works for FAW and CSV...i also use it with torps in my sci toon

[@MCStu]

Yes you are correct. But if you were going to do CSV, you get better up time and can extend a higher rank of CSV with Withering Barrage than you can with ETM. ETM only give rank one of the firing modes.

[@lino222]

​@@MCStu I'm using cannons with 5 toons, out of 8, just an excuse to use the Rex ship, also, being an ftp that started playing a year ago focusing on beams, i just started doing cannons more after the klingon recruit...ETM will give me Torp Spread 1 when i activate CSV 3 and while on cool down i'll use Torp Spread 2 and will get CSV 1...having Inertial Supremacy sloted, debuffs foes with AoE attacks, it's good to have AoE firing modes up non stop...Mixed Armaments Synergy also helps to give CSV1 a bit more punch... I just think that Withering Barrage and ETM work great together.

[@roangrahm1529]

I like this ship I just wish there was a way to get it for newer players who don't have the time to spend 20 straight days playing for event rewards or those that don't want to spend crazy amounts of $$ opening lock boxes to get enough lobi to get it, I've had friends who were new to STO and have seen mine and when I told them how to get it they pretty much gave up on ever getting it on their characters.

[@Dracounguis]

And last time I checked this ship was less than 250 million on the Exchange. So it's an incredible value for what it can do. Don't go wasting lobi on it.

[@21MrHentai]

Actually they go highest of 300 million

[@frederickboyd5818]

I am finding it good so far with a SS3 build, with dual beam and beam mix.

[@Saggyspandex]

returning player and the iso mags being in the game have made me want to push up to elite content again.

[@darkmaster83]

This ship is a MONSTER if done right.

[@foxyboyish]

DID YOU RE ENGAINER THE DEFLECTOR

[@garyg4139]

Did I miss what duty officers you are using? Maybe that will be on the full build video?

[@NightTwister]

I'm missing tht information as well

[@expertsaucegaming]

How did you get the 2nd hot bar

[@sux4u-z4x]

I'm kind of new and maybe mistaken but I haven't been able to find this ship in the lobi store anymore.

[@MCStu]

This is how it is listed in the lobi store: Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser [T6]

[@sux4u-z4x]

@MCStu ok ill look again. Thanks alot!

[@ultragamer4990]

hi there i have this ship but its on my f2p so what do i use for a build for this ship i dont have hi levle stuff for it so i find it slow so i gess i dont know how to set up a build for it can u help in any way and thank u for vid

[@MCStu]

These two videos should help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boWndXilopJ9nNE kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5WTh6J_aJKUqdk

[@QRedknight]

Was the kelvin ncc 1701a based on thee vengeance?

[@MCStu]

No, Vengenace came after.

[@davesmith9844]

What would be the upgrade from this ship? Been running this a very long time.

[@davesmith9844]

...there IS no upgrade to this ship!

[@Yandarval]

Gagarin for Entwined Tactical Matrices. Ghemor Cardassian Intel Flight Deck Cruiser for Calm before the Storm

[@foxyboyish]

what do you think of this ship Universe Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Cruiser

[@reggier2343]

So I think I need isomags for KDV.

[@Beauc4652]

I have a ship named USS Aragon... My name. Always surprised to see it elsewhere.

[@exgym82]

What about Surgical Strikes build on this ship? With vanguard trait and now isomags.

[@MCStu]

I meant the mention that. Yes, Very good Surgical Strikes ship.

[@exgym82]

@@MCStu It would be good to see and some Surgical Strikes build and how it performes in elite environment. I think that most of the part it is similar build.

[@syfy88man]

I think I found a bug with this ship, I created a bunch of advance Sci or the Advance Eng consoles and they grey out, not able to slot them on this ship

[@MCStu]

It you have spire tac conoles equipt, you have to remove them first. Can't have both.

[@syfy88man]

oh ok, yea I had it sloted @@MCStu

[@syfy88man]

yep it now able to be sloted, so thanks.

[@BlargBlarg-z7k]

use the shuttles that give heals on it. thats what I do.

[@MistiMoan]

Feels like a section 31 vanity

[@Moose00019]

Is it weird to say that I don't want big numbers, just that things to die?

[@turtl3playz303]

Is this the best ship for combat ?

[@MCStu]

One of

[@Pugiron]

The best ship in the game

[@regancollins1465]

On console ( over ride sub system safety ) is not 5 seconds but only 2.5 seconds

[@Wildwood56]

Can you do a kelvin intel battel cruser?

[@stue2298]

Son'a Intel Battlecruiser that also a great ship.

[@Wildwood56]

@@stue2298 I ment to add kelvin intel battle cruser

[@stue2298]

@@Wildwood56 ok 😀

[@alanpattee4383]

yes

[@markwilson185]

If the Tarren warp core was not nerfed it would be better . That baby would red line 130 in all subs at a great rate Just think if it worked right with ISo mags today . Then it slowed to a Turtle pace 1 year after it came out ! All any reports that where call in Forum pretty much killed Erased. All bug report never addressed ! The Terran Task Force Quantum Capacitor Warp Core WAS the First ISO mag !

[@halonewman9341]

Lol, it's now super easy for us to get an epic token 😂

[@joshmatias690]

How do you get it?

[@MCStu]

Lobi store