Tweek Talks about LumiRank 2023 | Episode 137

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00:00 Intro & topics for the episode
00:43 Support the Patreon!
01:50 Patreon bonus episode topic
04:10 What everyone is up to
04:39 Tweek's metafy is back up
06:06 The video game grind
07:06 How Pink is doing
09:04 Pink hitting masters in TFT
10:36 Charles prepping for his move
12:04 The LumiRank so far
14:56 Predicting Tweek's rank
18:53 Being consistent for a whole year is near impossible
22:05 #100-91
26:14 #90-81
29:21 #80-71
32:11 Preview of next week's episode topic
32:56 #70-61
36:08 #60-51
39:10 #50-41
43:10 #40-31
48:30 Predicting the 30 players left
49:14 Tweek's Banjo & Kazooie
1:05:28 Outro
#SmashBros #TweekTalks #Ultimate

[@MasterAbeer101]

Honestly even if some may not agree with every single ranking I gotta give huge props to Luminosity for taking such a huge investment into the Smash Scene. Very much appreciated from them 👏

[@Amaling]

I wouldn’t be so naive, they in practice filled a vacuum. In a few years they’ll probably leave but ehh this might sound like the more cynical end

[@TheRealOmegaPets]

Peeps should be begging on they hands and knees cause without them we would be so far under in terms of funds it would be comical

[@tearzofthefallen6586]

Someone was gonna do it. After Panda, the opportunity existed, it was just risky given the history of the scene. But its still a worthwhile venture since there are so little competitors. They essentially are have a 70% stake in the Smash Scenes proverbial 'stock'.

[@armakeen3576]

Shoutout to Ron from work who likes to play casual games ✊

[@vvindicator]

😂

[@MerryBlind]

Banjo AND Kazooie are definitely Tweek characters. Makes perfect sense for him to try picking them up seriously.

[@camro14]

Toriguri is already beating top players in Japan plus the worldwide invaders with Banjo. The Banjo meta took so long to develop because people wrote him off within weeks of release. It takes years to understand a new character’s meta, especially one as technical as Banjo. I can’t wait to see what Tweek is able to show us with the character.

[@Shellbastian]

“He got some 17th’s idk” lmao Marcus is hilarious, great podcast guys!

[@hannes8978]

Tweek is def top 10 lol

[@hannes8978]

@@SolrMM he is my goat

[@DrWavy-fq2qk]

Was lookin at the 40-31 list and the closer i got to 33 i swear to god i started hearing boss music anticipating Marss to appear…

[@Ethan-sc7of]

24th! Goated content creator

[@spenceralger8771]

@@StudyingManuallywhat

[@mukinabahtx338]

@@StudyingManuallylet’s be honest: you’re weird

[@inspektorblacket2356]

Honestly Tweek playing Banjo and Kazooie lately reminds when he randomly brought DK to a stacked MSM tournament back in Smash4. He won that tournament btw

[@willycheez7218]

As someone who plays Banjo often myself, he's weirdly solo mainable. Still bad and has many bad MUs but he has no super super bad MUs unlike most bad characters, everything is doable. It's mainly cos grenade egg is just insane against most characters

[@ryan_raus]

Jagaimo was my tag for the longest time until I learned there’s a top player using it already. A sad day. It means potato in Japanese

[@Tonjit41]

It's the banjo main's podcast!

[@krenkoboi23]

Idk if you need to be throwing out slurs like that

[@thephantomkeith2656]

I decided to subscribe to the Patreon because the topic seemed interesting. I'm so glad I did. Everyone, you have to listen to the bonus content. It's changed my perspective of things...as a fan who goes 1-2 at the 1-2 tourneys a year I compete in. It was very interesting and worth the 6 bucks. Gave me a new appreciation for the art of Smash, and I would love more content that does deep dives into the value of certain setups/situations.

[@Nate_505]

I think even if Banjo and Kazooie might not be higher than Seph on a tier list, that they’re more of a “Tweek character” and also would seem to cover Diddy’s matchups better than Seph did. Super excited to see it in action!

[@Senaru]

I hear a lot of people saying they want the year split for rankings so half-year rankings, but LumiRank could just do both half-year rankings and a full-year ranking for fun? What’s stopping them from doing that.

[@samgardner7376]

Extra work haha. This shit takes effort

[@Senaru]

@@samgardner7376 I thought it was just put in algorithm, and it gives results. I'm not saying make the player graphics, info, cards etc. but just hard list the full-year rankings cause why not.

[@gibidy2250]

Appreciate you guys thanks for all you do

[@browk2512]

The producer just scrolling past people before anybody has the chance to talk about them is so aggravating

[@Afroninja1]

23:53 My goat spittin straight facts. Buff YL

[@5hyguy42]

Most Esports have a specific number of tournaments that count for rankings. In smash any and every tournament, if it’s big enough, can be held out of nowhere and count for rankings. Japan has the most large tournaments and, like tweek mentioned are in close proximity to each other unlike NA and Europe.

[@Gumbort]

New papa over here feeling Pink's lifing times!

[@shirinau]

Anyone has a link to the lumirank?

[@Amaling]

Happy for Charles having a proper career lol

[@Babaganoush44]

My prediction for the tierlist episode - Tweek just ranks One Piece characters and doesn't mention smash once

[@altraxia2074]

Sean from School, Ron from work.

[@alexcoluna]

every time charles shills and tells us to like the video, i pause the vid and like the video. he rlly toooo good at this shit 👏

[@RocksAreBlue]

No Haz? EE probably watched this twice

[@boomstickYT]

I was watching an eevisu stream and I heard you are playing chrono trigger! It might be one of my favorite games ever and I just finished it a few weeks ago. Just wanted to say I hope you are enjoying it as much as I did.

[@Slarti27-gy1xj]

Chuck is being vague about his new job, but we all know he's going back to Hawaii to build Zuckerberg's bunker

[@KJ-a_a]

Dude I felt pink as a fellow tft masters player. Poor guy

[@pineful4861]

for next week's episode it'd also be cool to do some comparisons to your last tier list episode to see how the meta has changed in your guys' eyes

[@Slarti27-gy1xj]

I almost stopped watching at 46 games haha. I'm so jealous. That's my whole Steam library that I've been working on for years. Marcus knows what kids do to time lol

[@residentlando]

The Capcom Pro Tour lasts throughout the whole calendar year. There’s qualifiers all year and then usually Capcom Cup is that December or early the next year. Same with the Tekken World Tour and whenever Netherrealm does something (MK11 and Injustice 2 Pro Series). Smash ranks lasting the whole year is pretty in line with other fighting games.

[@TheVirginMeri]

Tours/circuits and ranking seasons are completely different things. Tours have you actually competing for something with a consistent base for everyone. Smash rankings actually have no real meaning and are heavily flawed (which is why no game with an actual foundation/dev support will do offlicial rankings) you get nothing from them except maybe more eyes from sponsors.

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

Sheik really is one of the best characters I'm glad people are finally waking up.

[@tehli6726]

I feel like part of the reason for Corrin resurgence is the developing meta, since its a lot campier now across the board, the character stands out as a better pack and performs better overall

[@torchilicho]

That’s so cool you’re playing banjo-kazooie and what’s even cooler is you know kazooie is a girl. That’s something a lot of people i’ve talked to don’t know.

[@regirob2360]

Diddy and Banjo would be such a baller character duo for you Tweek. I know the consensus of the community is Banjo sucks, but he's got some crazy stuff and is not as bad as people think. Plus with Grenade you can do some slightly similar things with Z dropping and such. Anyways ya I don't know if Tweek will ever read this, but please keep the Banjo and Diddy duo. -Sincerely a Banjo enthusiast

[@OniiChanPls]

Tier list next week? Bro i cant wait to watch Gavin cringe through parts of it lol

[@HalfLifePlays]

Does anyone know the banjo tech tweek was talking about when he called it “the hardest tech he’s ever attempted in ultimate? “

[@joshuadavis8265]

I know tweek probably won’t see this but JPlay/ JoTa is a good banjo to watch. I don’t think he’s near TGa level of neutral. But his KFC and combos are much better imo. He might be able to provide on insight

[@oomenacka]

Maybe it's my wifi brain speaking, but I lab Banjo a lot and I do think he fairs pretty well against Steve. I actually feel weirdly comfortable in that mu.

[@an-albinocrow33808]

Today I learned that Kazooie is a female. Thank you Gavin or Tweek 👍

[@anon9203]

I miss u hazardous matthew

[@danielcastano9124]

🔥🤘🏻🔥

[@monkeydjaime]

Please bring Hackoru on board of this Banjo training! His Banjo is REALLY GOOD, he also has a different playstyle from other Banjo mains!

[@kyallon1213]

Honestly i’ve been trying to mess around with banjo and i’m really interested to see where tweek takes the character, especially with neutral B. I’ve never been more confused about a move in this game, because supposedly it’s one of if not the best too in his kit but genuinely feels like the most needlessly restricted and straight up worst moves in the game

[@OniiChanPls]

If yall ever get Leo back on can you guys discuss sephiroth with him? Apparently he believes but i kinda wanna see rhe difference between the way Tweek and Leo sees Seph

[@trombonegamer14]

Leo believes in a campy seph. I see it, especially the way Ken plays once he gets wing. People don't talk about it, but seph with wing is so hard to approach

[@OniiChanPls]

@@trombonegamer14 it definitely isn't something I caught into either - but Ken with wing being different is also new to me. Gotta check that out. Thanks!

[@TheVirginMeri]

​@@trombonegamer14 This contradicts the fact that he said Tweek -arguably the most passive Seph- plays the charscter wrong

[@trombonegamer14]

@@TheVirginMeri tweek might be the most passive seph player at the top level, but I have literally heard Leo say "you should camp more" to tweek regarding sephiroth

[@TheVirginMeri]

@@trombonegamer14 huh, thats interesting. i obviously dont see the game like them so i'll take leo's word for it

[@XanderW7381]

My top 10 predictions 1. Acola 2. Spargo 3. Miya 4. Sonix 5. Gluto 6. Tweek 7. Light 8. Ken 9. Yoshidora 10. Zomba I’m pretty sure about the top 9 being in top 10 but there are many who could take the 10th spot

[@ko-yoshi]

Ron is the Everyman and he will COOK you

[@digitalchamploo9129]

Normally I concede to top player opinions for the most part but I will not accept Young Link not being good that character can do so much so well

[@Brion15]

Banjo and Kazooie beats steve, you can also time the character out.

[@squirrelwithabanana]

Stats nerd here, my top 9 is: Acola Sparg0 Miya Sonix Gluto Tweek Light Riddles Yoshidora My 10th is either Kameme or Leo. Zomba and Shuton are also possible

[@squirrelwithabanana]

If you want another esport with a full year ranking, look no further than melee!

[@squirrelwithabanana]

Fui was murdered by Stuart98 in cold blood (had a bad early year). Meme was an HM due to low attendance

[@squirrelwithabanana]

There were 2 jp falcos (M0tsunabe and MASA)

[@aaa_aaa_11123]

nice

[@rocklob069]

Where is Omega the joker? Did I miss him because he's not even in the honorable mentions.

[@jinxeatsdust]

no joke he was #151 just barley missed top 150 he dm'd lumirank about where he was and that's what they said (also hms are for people who didn't make attendance cuts like proto and meme)

[@Kartalma]

Some characters are not high end viable. It doesn't matter who picks up the character, they just can't make the char work because of its mechanical limits. I believe Banjo is a char like that. You either outskill your opponent hard or you lose because opponent is a good player with a character that just has better dynamics. Tltr: Doesn't matter how good of a driver you are. You can't beat a bugatti veyron in your Peugeot 206 in a dragrace. Banjo is the Peugeot.

[@nevohyams]

"predicting the top 30 players left" so that was a lie. lol I'm sure they'll mention it at some point, even if next episode is the tier list, but i have to wonder how many people Marcus remembered

[@Cashmoneez]

Honestly it would be crazy if the entire lifespan of ultimate goes by and tweek was never officially ranked as the #1 player at least once

[@julesm5892]

top 10 should look like : acola spargo miya sonix gluto tweek light ken ( probably recency bias but he didn't have that bad of a start for the year) zomba? yoshidora? I could see riddles, shuton, muteace and leo ( copium ) take those last two spots

[@armakeen3576]

Turns out KEN and Zomba aren't in rhe top 10, but leo and riddles are, which is really surprising

[@julesm5892]

@@armakeen3576 leo isn't, he's 11th

[@armakeen3576]

@@julesm5892 oh yes my bad

[@pmd3012]

i know acola and miya have better consistency but sparg0 and sonix are undoubtedly better. Tough ranking to make

[@ToucanBinks]

👍

[@splaturials9156]

Man I feel like EE carries lights out now lmao this has a completly different vibe I kinda miss energy

[@abghen2323]

I think we just need Light and Cosmos to actually show up to the podcast and it'll be high energy again

[@splaturials9156]

Joker is this he gets a 15 second preciese combo bam only 35%

[@kylesantos5536]

Tweek, watch Juanpi vs Teaser. You’ll see Banjo beat Samus

[@armania_9064]

1. Acola 2. Miya 3. Sparg0 4. Sonix 5. Glutonny 6. Tweek 7. Yoshidora 8. Light 9. Hurt 10. Ken

[@pkshiran]

1. Acola 2. Sparg0 3. Miya 4. Sonix 5. Glutonny 6. Tweek 7. Light 8. Riddles 9. Yoshidora 10. MkLeo

[@vertarix]

1. MkLeo 2-10. Acola, Sparg0, Miya, Tweek, Gluto, Light, Dabuz, Sonix, Shuton

[@Aristotle000001]

waitwaitwait wait wait you didn't show pink's top 30 xd c'mon guys

[@SmidgeFilms]

No shot I waited til the end of the episode for that

[@Tonjit41]

30:26 unfortunate to show cosmos after saying that...

[@Tonjit41]

Because he is the guy that lost to piranha plant with pyra/mythra. Nothing says garbo like that. Undisciplined; impulsive; unpracticed; sloppy masher. His wins are a fluke due to his character and top player friends. There is a sussy imposter on this list, and it's Cosmos.

[@abghen2323]

​@@Tonjit41Cosmos would beat your entire bloodline in smash at once. He's good

[@kudokey]

Japanese players are higher rank is cause of more top players attendees but also they farm almost every top NA players. Not only just Acola and miya they beat almost all NA players. I didn’t expect Kanninabe and Umeki would make top 8 for port priority even they are not top 20 players in Japan.

[@pkshiran]

That was Miracle

[@Dougie02]

I never really noticed this, but dang, I take Haz for granted 😅 his presence was missed. It's like a whole blackhole like the oxygen has left the room when he isn't a part of an episode.

[@fna5360]

I didn't get that vibe at all.

[@RandogGaming]

1. Miya 2. Acola 3. Sonix 4. Sparg0 5. Gluto 6. Tweek 7. Light 8. Zomba 9. Muteace 10. Yoshidora

[@B00_Dior]

shuton？

[@Senaru]

I see people just be saying things just to say things 😂

[@RandogGaming]

yoshidora and shuton are really close, yoshidora was just slightly more consistent @@B00_Dior

[@mercurysnake274]

I don’t think mute is top 10 tbh. Considering that it’s a full year ranking, he was just way too inconsistent at certain points

[@loooooooooooooooooob]

no fucking chance muteace is 9 lmao

[@PunkySlush]

If you hate people who comment before the video had enough time to be finished 👇

[@Tonjit41]

You're a lot of work

[@taco0901]

any comments at all boosts the algorithm ya jim

[@PunkySlush]

Honestly, i see these work a lot, so i just wanted to see if it does or if I'm only seeing the successful comments ​@@taco0901

[@jonny7444]

Bro became what he hated the most

[@PunkySlush]

​@@jonny7444Lol yea i see these comments all the time, it's a self aware joke 😂 It's really annoying, along side the "My farts smell better than ___" and others.

[@thelocs5935]

"Today we'll be talking about tweeks banjo" had my hyped up. Then it was just 40 minutes of scrolling through the article of players and saying "that's my goat" cmon guys this is boring podcast content. If you wanted to make a react video, do that next time. Not trying to hate, I love the work you guys do. Giving commentary on the players could have made this much more interesting. But scrolling through each of them one by one and just reading their names off then saying 'shoutout' is not the way to make this kind of episode

[@gracefuldrowning138]

Commentary on 100 players would be a VERY long podcast bruv

[@thelocs5935]

@gracefuldrowning138 yeah I don't want that either. I want it to be treated like their tournament recaps where they just talk about the stuff they actually have something to say about lol

[@johnstacy9549]

Stop scrolling to next person on rank list when still talking about someone else gets so annoying