Two Best Friends Play Silent Hill 2 (Part 11)

[@alldayagain]

I like to think every time a cut scene starts, Pat slowly puts a gun to Matt's head, whispering "I want this LP to SHINE!"

[@CPCGamer]

You now realise Maria has been calling James by his name this whole time even though he never told her what it was.

[@Chadius]

CPCGamer OH SHI-

[@TheNerdynigga]

Oh no! They got Cha-

[@thelaughingrouge]

🤯

[@bitwawesome8020]

Romance girl 👩

[@melon1522]

Holy shit, that "I'm not your Mary." line sent such a chill down my spine when I first played this.

[@classica1fungus]

69 likes... nice

[@finalunusedname]

"Get off of me!" Interesting choice of words, there, Pat. And probably exactly the reaction the designers wanted from the player.

[@superdragon4ever]

For those who haven't played this game, running face first into Pyramid Head out of fucking nowhere in this part is the most terrifying thing EVER. You will not understand unless you've played it completely blind.

[@Tamacat388]

I still remember jumping and having my heart go wild as James went bumping into all the walls trying to get away. The good old days before they decided to put violin strings before every encounter.

[@BreadandFaxes]

I remember the first time I played this game. I was around 11 or 12, and I played it on the Original Xbox. The first time you see Pyramid Head in the apartments I had a small panic attack. I was still dealing with the creepiness of the monsters, and then I walk out and there he was, just standing there. Didn't move, didn't breathe. I didn't know what it was. And for some reason, before I walked into that room, I noticed those bars looked kind of out of place. I will always remember my reaction.

[@donaldtwump5428]

Dweebenheim Hahahaha I remember I had to get my dad to play that bit in the apartment While I hid behind him like a little child Oh wait I was a child

[@AydarBMSTU]

superdragon4ever after beating it two months ago I can confirm this

[@hairlessbear6945]

"Plus you can do things between those bars if you're creative."

[@Tamacat388]

You think someone as dull as James can even fathom such creativity?

[@Thrownblock]

"Careful with that I don't want that needle poking me."

[@pangkoulee7648]

@@Thrownblock damn.

[@DakovaL]

Pat, it's called the Abstract Daddy (Also known as Ideal Father). Which is a way more horrifying name considering its connotations

[@funcounting]

Every grill wants to bone her father. I guess that's where "ideal"comes from.

[@Tamacat388]

funcounting What? Never heard that. I thought all kids wanted to subconsciously kill their parents.

[@funcounting]

Thanatos388 Kill the same sex parent and bone the other.

[@Tamacat388]

funcounting Oedipal daddy eh? Forgot about that for a second. Still not ideal, that kinda assumes the other party is uh, initiating contact. Not the other way around.

[@funcounting]

Daddy knows better what his daughter wants ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@CyricZ]

That's SUCH a good thing to happen. You turn a corridor and BAM Pyramid Head. No fanfare, no warning. So effective. ^_^

[@zeemod1556]

The Pickles critical hit !

[@CHESHIRES_SMILE]

*****

[@WhiteLycanXII]

Definitely one of my favorite moments.

[@melon1522]

Especially since the radio is already going off because of the Mandarins.

[@lemeres2478]

The Pickles It is a heavy steel knife move to my fairy type face.

[@manabluerose]

Angela's boss fight room is so sickening and tragic. I remember on my second playthrough of the game, it really hit me. I always cry during the final scene with her.

[@alexf8314]

Yeah it's just masterfully done. The whole game is really... but particularly the Angela scenes are just magnificent.

[@BriGuyIL1980]

James' voice actor wasn't the best but Mary's/Maria's, I thought, did a top-notch job. She did the mind-screw ambiguously evil tone very well.

[@flips220]

She reads those letters like a boss.

[@matthewleclair3189]

I love Guy and I will defend him to the death But yes, Mary/Maria's VA is incredible

[@kingofburgerz]

Maria's shift in tone reminds me of PT where the radio guy's tone suddenly becomes threatening. I love that kind of stuff. That's what makes the series so good.

[@farmzombie]

So, the great knife (very possibly) represents the burden of a sick loved one. Pyramid Head lost it right before Maria was apparently killed. James picks it up right before he discovers Maria alive. Nice touch. It draws a parallel between Pyramid Head and James, and helps establish Maria as a stand in for Mary.

[@WastedPotential17]

Door Man is known for being open-minded and accepting of new things. One could even say that he gives off a welcoming aura. Unlike that bastard Safe Head Man, who keeps all his emotions locked up.

[@MrNeffar]

man I love this comment.....even more so cause even your name their adds to your comment in a wonderful way!

[@tata1232484]

I would totally want a Stand called Safe Head Man, which allows me to make people's heads into safes.

[@Theodiorr]

Tyler Keller whats a stand?

[@tata1232484]

Capped Out It is a being that first appeared in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders, and has been in every story arc since. It is a being manifested by your fighting spirit which can hurt anything and only be hurt by other Stands. While most stands look humanoid, for example a Stand called Magician's Red, which has the body of a man and the head of a bird, but some stands, like The Emperor or Geb can look like a gun or claw made of water, in order listed

[@H8erfisternator]

have you seen that image of pyramid head and safe man jerking each other off? it's pretty hott

[@gossamer999]

The "I'm not your Mary." line made me shiver with how coldly it was delivered.

[@ColonelCorson]

Stand: Radiohead Stand User: James Sunderland Destructive Power: E Speed: E Range: D Durability: E Precision: B Developmental Potential: E Abilities: Radiohead alerts it's user to hostile feelings towards itself and it's user through static noise.

[@VinceOmega]

Wouldn't all Silent Hill protags have that stand then?

[@ColonelCorson]

Vince Omega Not Murphy, he'd have a fire axe called Ladder 49.

[@VinceOmega]

CommanderCorson PERFECT!

[@oddskymikha8185]

Commander, I have only one thing to say: Perfect.

[@tata1232484]

CommanderCorson And Alex would have These Wounds Will Not Heal which is when he stabs a creature, it's skin gets all loose and it starts to crawl around in it's own skin.

[@Gorfinhofin]

I'm surprised Matt was able to keep quiet while Angela was laying the smackdown.

[@GashPlague]

We need to push Angela for SummerSlam.

[@Lurdiak]

I'm pretty sure Pat mutes this shit in editing because I just don't believe Matt can keep this quiet. Remember, they have separate audio tracks for the game and their mics, so it'd be easy to do so.

[@suwatsaksri7191]

Dont you get it? Pat killed Matt long ago and uses old recordings of Matts commentary

[@globox123456789]

Lurdiak Sometimes I think hear Matt, though.

[@Alexplosion35]

Literally, the first thing out of my mouth when she dropped the tv on the boss was "BY GAWD HE'S BROKEN IN HALF!"

[@zacmortar524]

I literally cannot believe that the misconception that the Abstract Daddy is called Doorman is STILL believed by people to be true when its not and now several thousand more people are getting false info

[@MrNeffar]

I can't believe people see different symbolism in a game that wants you to interpret your own thoughts on things in the game......really i think that they went and named this guy later is a crime

[@MegaMiniMuffins]

Mr.Neffar It's a story. Stories have set meanings, conflicts, ideas, and conclusions, all written by a writer who intended for these things to be seen by the player the way they are seen. I don't understand why for some reason Silent Hill is an exception to this. I prefer to call it the "Doorman" because I imagine Angela dreading her father coming through the door to her room, and it has a less disturbing ring to it I guess, but it's simply two people on a bed; that was the original intent. If you even get too close to it, it does a pretty suggestive thing to James. Ah whatever, I just mean that I wish people realized that the writer didn't just sit there and think to themselves "How can I create something that has a specific appearance, specific movements, specific sounds, specific surroundings, specific everything, and yet still not have a specific meaning?" Not trying to argue, I just wish SH fans were more open minded. :)

[@MrNeffar]

***** for someone who wants people to be more open minded your comment sounds extremely close minded.....that being said yes i do understand but there is nothing wrong at all with seeing more or different of something at all, I love when things are known but fuck i also just love it when there are lots of opinions on something!

[@MegaMiniMuffins]

Mr.Neffar That's what I meant whenever I said that I understand what the true meaning may be and acknowledge it, but I still prefer to call it Doorman just to myself. It's just simpler for me. I get what you mean though. :) It just seems that on forums where SH fans talk about their theories and ideas, nothing gets resolved, and everyone goes off about their "Everyone's idea is right even if it's wrong" attitude. I mean, there's a difference between why you think James wears a green bomber jacket and when you think SH2 takes place, haha.

[@12isaletter]

Does it really matter what people call it? A creepy dad-sex door is still a creepy dad-sex door by any other name.

[@BosnianAdventurer]

Man, you can totally do creepy Plague bullshit through those bars.

[@GashPlague]

I can already hear the wet slapping sounds and muffled moaning.

[@pocketlint60]

Maria: "Come get me. I can't do anything through these bars." Plague: "You must be new to this, honey. I'll go get the bucket of lard and the duct tape."

[@PointlessSideQuestLP]

The sudden shifts in Mary/Maria's voice and demeanor are great. Really creepy.

[@TheDirtbaggrif]

The framing. I mean mitochondria. I mean the baby.

[@mortified0]

Why'd Pat call it Doorman and not Abstract Daddy? I've never heard it called Doorman before.

[@zacmortar524]

Its a false name someone made up before the canon name was released/translated from book of lost memories and some are still stubburnly holding onto it, even though its nowhere near as cool as Abstract Daddy

[@timg5603]

they changed it for the american and european release. Konami thought that the name Abstract Daddy would be to obscene in the west and would make the nature of the creature too obvious to the players

[@MrNeffar]

Gay Kitten Abstract daddy is somehow a cool name?......just sounds weird and kind of like some hipster art name to me......that being said doorman isn't that great for this thing....but i think the name doorman is pretty badass the thoughts of what can/does a doorman do......that is if a doorman was a mythical creature of course and not an actual door man

[@wiggy2964]

I was scrolling through the comments and saw your profile picture and immediately thought wtf, but then I read your username and immediately felt stupid

[@melon1522]

Mr.Neffar Abstract Daddy works because you're like: "what the hell is this rectangle thing." but if you put together all the symbolism with Angela in the room, the fleshy walls and the explicit thrusting objects on the wall (and the Abstract Daddy's mounting attack) you can establish that it's the trauma of her father raping her.

[@zamu2]

I've never really noticed it before but the way Angela gets sick and the way her hand motions sort of towards her abdomen probably indicates she might be pregnant.

[@Invalidationcoded]

I don't think that's what that's meant to insinuate. Extreme emotional reactions like with what follows sexual trauma or extreme fear - it's not uncommon to literally physically get sick or feel a lot of sudden reactions or sensations in your body. They say trauma is stored in the body (The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel van der Kolk is a great book about trauma by the way).

[@OldIronJohnson]

The monster corpse Pyramid Head is dragging on the tile card looks like a really well marbled slab of bacon.

[@OldIronJohnson]

jak2492 Red Bacon White Bacon Twinkling Bacon Petrified Pork Bones Barbecue Bottle Shards Sublime Barbecue Seasoning And Havel the Cook, clad entirely in Famous Dave's bottles and swinging a George Foreman grill at you.

[@FatherHail]

Can you guys loan me those, I need to enhance my sword, Baconrend, which was formed by defeating the Bacon Bahamut.

[@OldIronJohnson]

***** Imagine how powerful Smough would be. That fucker probably eats like six pigs a day. At least 10kk souls.

[@FookinIsh]

There's nothing in this conversation I don't like

[@GreenGimmick]

That's clearly the bacon knife it's dragging around. Delicious as it is deadly

[@FlutterGuy121]

When i played Silent Hill 2, I beat the Abstract Daddy boss fight, saved and quit the game for the night and went to bed. I later woke up in the middle of the night and immediately realized how fucked up that boss fight was. That is true psychological horror.

[@JMarsella9]

Damnit Pat, stop examining the knife. You know what it'll bring.

[@JMarsella9]

***** I expect he know's what he's doing. Doesn't mean I can't whine about it though.

[@Gorvar100]

Rule number one, get the knife.

[@hole2score]

Georg Veramme Rule number two, get the knife

[@MetalGearRexPilot]

JMarsella9 Yeah. Garbage ending.

[@escalatingbarbarism5096]

"It's the *ONLY* time he's called pyramid head." Meanwhile James nonchalantly observes that "Pyramid Head is holding a weird egg in his hand" twice after the double boss fight at the end of the hotel.

[@arcaii1117]

DOORMAN'S ROOM WAS NOT GREAT YOU GUYS To quote Pat, "That is the most uncomfortable a game has ever made me." I'm not even playing the fucking game and I'm all horrified and shit. God damn.

[@felixlucky13]

I think one could argue that that is why it is so good. It's MEANT to make you feel uncomfortable and/or horrified and it succeeds.

[@arcaii1117]

Felix McKraken Oh, totally. It's incredibly effective, which is a major kudos to the creators. But God DAMN if I ain't all squirmy after seeing it.

[@Anthrax80m8]

I feel like Matt's reaction of "What... IS THAT?" towards Door Man is exactly the kind of reaction that EVERY horror game should be going for with its enemies.

[@_Francis_York_Morgan]

I figured out what's missing from this playthrough: I got used to Pat saying "excuse me" every time he found himself face to face with a zombambo.

[@TylerTramz]

That cutscene with Maria was so chilling.

[@dsg2v]

Dear diary, last night I dreamed about pat and matt rubbing their balding heads together using Canadian bacon grease as lube for less friction. I awoke to find myself aroused.....I fear I may have a woolie hole in my house. It's influence is starting to overcome my sanity, it's only a matter of time before I begin stealing pies.

[@nelsonfastige9071]

will you chose to run or embrace it? Do you dare go further down?

[@dsg2v]

Nelson Fastige .......Destiny is destiny...

[@tata1232484]

Serpentes Eaticae Camarocous "Destiny is destiny"- Donkey Matt, 2014

[@mildlyspicyarmadillo6053]

There was a hole here. But it's gone n- no wait it's still there and there's dreads coming out of it.

[@Lambtomo]

Serpentes Eaticae Camarocous "There was a woolie hole here, it's gone now."

[@MrThreeTake]

The voice acting for James really gives me the feeling that, as a character, he just does not give a fuck. Not about the monsters, not about the people he's meeting, and especially not about maria. the only thing he seems to care about is finding mary (who he brings up in most of his cutscenes) and everything else be damned. In that way guy cihi's deadpan, uninteresting acting really does make the character.

[@alucard9295]

Even as dark as the game and this series is, hearing you guys talk about it so positively and genuinely is really nice, and the commentary is really helping me smile right now. Thanks sempais... .

[@Softshelldiety]

I hate seeing all the negativity in the comments section, it bothers me that people can be so nasty. I don't really comment much on videos but I thought I should thank you two for doing this LP. SH2 is one of my favorite games! I might not agree with all of the lore that's shared all the time but I love hearing your interpretation and opinions of things in the game. :)

[@flips220]

That's basically every comment section anywhere these days though. No matter the subject matter. Everything from video games to politics and everything in between. People are pretty awful, and it makes me weep for humanity. :(

[@R3tch3dBr0s]

This is easily my favourite episode so far. The continuing journey deeper and deeper, farther and farther at the end of the last one set this episode up beautifully

[@dreziv]

That is the most serious cut to title card I've ever seen on this channel. Good thing they're not using the Kirby song.

[@weeweesuperbooster]

I miss you guys so much

[@thelaughingrouge]

James picks up the giant knife and notice how the interaction with Maria changes DRASTICALLY.

[@SpontaneousCourage]

This is where James beats up Josh for the Mountain Dew. I can't wait!

[@himbo_noa]

I keep goddamn commenting about Maria, because I didn't expect her character to be this interesting. But DAMN, that scene behind the bars, she is so quietly threatening. Loving the character design, and thanks for the awesome LP, guys.

[@kierancampire]

I know everything is interpretation, but i have always thought of/seen/heard of "Doorman" as more so people on a bed, in a bed frame and covered in bed sheets

[@Fuhjem]

I just beat this game for the first time last Sunday because I wanted to see the ending for myself before a LP. I legitimately cried. Thanks, guys, for giving me that push to finish it.

[@ninebreaker2009]

Yellow is no longer boners. Brown is the new boners. Brings an entirely different meaning to Brown Note... especially with the Incredibly up close to your minds imagery. We're getting to see what Angela's version of otherworld Hell is like. Which totally means we're going to see Eddie's. It's fucked up, but not much as shiny round pistons plowing away at a glory hole. Fuck I wouldn't even call It a glory hole. More like Shame n Terror Hole Please use the Great Knife on Eddie.

[@VinceOmega]

Crave him up like a turkey eh? Fitting.

[@existingdark]

Upvoted for the last line. I did this on my first playthrough and Pat should do it, too.

[@CaylexT]

You do see part of Eddie's Otherworld in your last encounter with him. More on that in the actual video where the Best Friends go there.

[@hardlyfunny]

Thanks for playing this game guys. It's been one of my favorites for years. Pat, we have very similar sensibilities. Very easy to relate to your personality.

[@joshuas.8410]

"Doorman"? What are you talking about? That's Abstract Daddy! '-'

[@uriel7395]

The room where you find the great knife being the painting of Pyramid Head is straight up Lovecraft. In the Pickman's Model, the main character is taken through an old building and shown paintings of strange dog-like people by Pickman. The final picture he sees is of a giant, bloated dog-thing chewing on the body of a person. Next to the painting is a crumpled piece of paper. The character takes the paper and when he leaves realizes that it's a photograph that Pickman used as a reference for all of the dog monsters.

[@BlargleWargle]

How fun, Matt mentioned the Tumblr message I sent him about the knife and the darkness! Senpai noticed me~~~!

[@Golemie]

Angela is easily one of the most tragic video game characters ever made. The scene shown in this episode combined with the final scene with her solidifies just how horrific her life must be. Christ, that final scene with her always manages to make me sick to my stomach.

[@Iife]

To anyone who's been in Angela Orosco's shoes, I wish you the best in life, for I have been through a similar fate involving my biological father, but such is life. Having a guardian figure turn against you like that will fuck anyone up in ways but as long as the soul is resilient you can lead a life where your past will release its stranglehold over you. I'm twenty-five and dropped out of college in my freshman undergraduate year and can't hold a job from residual post-trauma; once I stop seeing myself as the victim I will shine. PS Sorry for making this about me! Excelsior!!

[@JSAVACADO]

This playthrough may be my new favorite. The gameplay is great, the commentary is great and, overall, everything is presented so well. Keep up the good work guys!!!

[@ldmt1995]

That was a beautiful ending.

[@mortified0]

Wow, James' voice got really menacing at the end. That was a really well performed line, actually.

[@raeraemackay5497]

Doorman's name is Abstract Daddy, isn't it? I thought it was meant to represent not only Alessa's past being sexually abused by multiple men of authority in her life but also the abuse Angela suffered from her father (sexually, physically and mentally). The form is meant to look like a larger figure (daddy) and a smaller figure intertwined in either a sexual act or a dominance act. The framing that they said was like a door frame, personally, I've always seen as either a bed frame or a shrink couch (which could symbolize the impact of ones mental and emotional state after experiencing trauma, or even how a person of trust or authority took advantage of them).

[@CosmicWaltz7]

The boss enemy here is not officially called the "Doorman". That name was given to it by the third party strategy guide, but the actual name given by developers is the "Abstract Daddy". Makes more sense, since the "door" making the base of the enemy is supposed to represent a bed, and a smaller figure being held down on it by a larger figure. This is also why both Angela and James can see it, since it has a double meaning, but the one around Angela is much more powerful than the ones you find later in the hotel. It's a common misconception since this was a game almost made to sell strategy guides, and yet they went off the cuff naming one of the most symbolic monsters in the whole game.

[@badrapsample2212]

The framing in this game is so good. I don't know what the fuck framing is, but it's SO GOOD IN THIS GAME. WHERE'S MY LUBE?!?

[@slifer875]

in the woolie hole..

[@badrapsample2212]

Half serious. Didn't know before they first mentioned it; context clues made it easy to figure out. A joke is usually only half serious, Mr. Lecter.

[@badrapsample2212]

***** Very nice description. Now I can impart this knowledge unto our children so that we may make our glorious comeback atop our *mighty bison*.

[@badrapsample2212]

***** Oh, you are good.

[@gmkgoat]

These episodes will never be long enough and they will never come out often enough.

[@gtaIVlord]

Turning off the light is what makes them stop, and turning off the radio helps them to not detect you as well. It is even mentioned on articles on SH1 and SH2 when they came out. That's probably why the movie had that scene in which the nurses only moved when the flashlight was turned on. And, Pat, Pyramid can be found in other sections of the Labyrinth, such as the flooded areas. People are still talking about the voice acting? Really, that's all they can say about the game? Looks like people either over-theorize every aspect of the game or don't think at all.

[@homersimpson90210]

I really can't wait to hear Matt's reaction to Angela. I know Pat was worrieed he couldn't do the game justice, but this has been one of the best LPs on the channel.

[@saint3614]

Tiny correction: It's Abstract Daddy, and it's a bedframe, not a doorframe.

[@thelaughingrouge]

It's also been called The Idealized Father.

[@TheTrayhunter]

That ending cut was great! I totally expected a "Next time on Silent Hill, shit gets even worse! Will old James find out whats going on in here? Find out!"

[@farmzombie]

Doorman? I thought it was called Abstract Daddy.

[@TheElbowKing]

Doorman along with Angela's room is something that just sinks into your gut and makes you feel kind of ill, it's impactful and horrifying.

[@RoastingPotPieMonkey]

too short. I really wanted to see the full effect of this scene. I hope we don't have to wait long for the next episode. I really like the story of this game, maybe even more than the story of rule of rose. It's not as weird at the moment, probably because i had no idea what rule of rose was, but silent hill is definitely a master piece and episodes need to be longer or put out faster so we don't lose the emotion behind the game.

[@mastermarkus5307]

I think Rule of Rose had a bit of a too much of a "few and far between" story. I was always excited to get to the next story portion, but there wasn't much there.

[@johnkramer2144]

Man, this is the favorite section in the game. This and the prison area is when you start to get the notion that maybe there is more than one Pyramid Head.

[@felixlucky13]

I suppose, but I just assumed he could show up where ever. It's not like SH adhered to the rules of reality.

[@alldayagain]

For those who can't tell how fucked up "Doorman" is, here's a clearer picture of his design vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/silent/images/a/a9/Abstract_Daddy_drawing.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/612?cb=20120429004200

[@manabluerose]

+alldayagain Wow. That's really awful. I miss when Masahiro Ito did amazing designs that really reflected the character's inner suffering and pain.

[@KonbanwaJapan]

+Mika Rose He mostly just did really great horrific works, the symbolism and stuff came later. The problem with the later games was they stopped being scary and more symbolic.

[@manabluerose]

I think the latter games stopped being scary OR symbolic. haha KonbanwaJapan

[@racquel7]

I said this in another post, but I feel like I need to elaborate a bit more so that people new to Silent Hill understand a few things about the games actually made by Team Silent. In the original games, it seemed like the current mental state and emotions of the other characters you encounter had the ability to warp the immediate space around them, as each area you run into them has some sort of theme relating to that particular character going on, which slowly escalates as time goes on and they become more aware of themselves and their crime/sin/guilt/whatever they did to end up there, although I don't think any of the characters see the same things if they're encountering anything at all, or at least they weren't supposed to. Silent Hill is/was generally a place to fight your own demons, not someone else's. In the original Silent Hill, the other characters Harry interacts with either don't see anything (in Cybil's case, although the town appears abandoned to her and she knows something isn't right) or they behave very bizarrely like Eddie and Angela, except Dr. Kaufmann, who's arguably one of the biggest pieces of shit in Silent Hill and the only character besides Harry ever seen in the same room with a monster, albeit a dead one, and it's kind of implied that it's actually just some guy he killed before you got there (as he blatantly tries to shoot Harry after clearly seeing it's just another person, and threatens to kill him later on) unlike Lisa, who knows shit is fucked up but doesn't mention creatures, just that everyone is gone, and Dahlia says that darkness is consuming the town but never actually acknowledges any sort of monsters or "demons", besides Samael/Incubus as far as I know. Cheryl doesn't seem to see anything at all, like Laura, and being that she's the innocence and good left of Alessa, that's where that whole idea that children don't see anything at all comes from, as they haven't done anything deserving punishment and atonement. What one character sees could be completely different from what the other character in the same room is seeing, and in this case with Angela's "Abstract Daddy", I genuinely believe James sees what he sees because of his own repressed feelings and subconsciously piecing Angela's story together, not because he's seeing Angela's monster, especially considering the abstract daddy becomes a regular enemy type for James after this boss battle. He read the article on the floor before entering the room, and if you notice, the door and the walls and floor around the door leading to the boss fight are plastered with the same newspaper, etc. It's implied Eddie has spent the entire game just murdering other people he's run into in the town and hasn't seen any monsters at all, Angela only encounter's her father, and in Lisa's case, she's just completely alone in a room the whole time because that's what she's most afraid of In SIlent Hill 3, Vincent makes a snarky comment to Heather implying the monsters you've been killing the entire game up until that point aren't monsters at all, they just look like monsters to her, which very blatantly implies he doesn't see the same things as her, or at the very least, they don't look like horrific monsters to him, and when Heather becomes horrified and disgusted upon making the connection that she very well may have been going around murdering innocent people this whole time, he simply laughs and waves it off, telling her to relax and that "it's only a joke." Claudia also commands one of the bosses in the game called the "Missionary", and being that Claudia is a crazy demon church cult worshiper it's entirely possible that the monster Heather saw and Claudia gestures to wasn't a monster at all, but some cult follower working for Claudia, and he became warped into a hideous thing due to Heather's hatred for his and Claudia's actions, and later on in the last level of the game, the missionary becomes a regular enemy type throughout the church. Of course, there's a million different ways to interpret Silent Hill, and no one is necessarily wrong or right, but if you only pay attention to the core 3 games that were actually good/had the most to do with Silent Hill in its infancy when it was what it was supposed to be, without 16 hospitals and insane asylums, 8 churches, 4 prisons etc. it's heavily implied that Silent Hill is purgatory and each person's experience there is tailored to their psyche, thus the outrage when Pyramid Head showed up in the movies and later games, because it makes no fucking thematic sense whatsoever. He's quite literally just a manifestation of James himself, of his guilt and the fact James clearly believes himself to be a monster to some degree who deserves to be punished for his feelings and actions towards his late wife, and the resentment he had for her while she was still alive. Pyramid Head's appearance is just a warped countenance of a picture James saw while visiting Silent Hill's historical society of one of the town's executioners who wore red hoods, and James is both his executioner and prisoner, ie. he's a prisoner of his own punishment and he's killing himself. Thus the burden of the great knife being passed from Pyramid Head to James symbolically as he becomes more aware of his situation and himself, the fact Pyramid Head's face is hidden by a heavy, angular and very phallic red helmet that looks extremely uncomfortable and painful to wear, which is also symbolic of James' burden and the guilt weighing on his shoulders, and might represent the fact he doesn't want to recognize himself in such a monster. The way Pyramid Head relates to the other manifestations of James' psyche in that he blatantly captures, abuses, and violates them sexually or otherwise before killing them them is also very symbolic of James and his mental state, as well as Pyramid Head forcing James to relive his wife's death over and over again through the surrogate Maria and his apparent inability to prevent it/save her. Then again you could also easily make the argument that every character in any of the SIlent Hill games is already dead and all this shit is happening in their head, with respects to Jacob's Ladder. Harry died in the car accident at the beginning of the original, James came to Silent Hill and committed suicide the last place he and his wife were happy, etc. Silent Hill really was quite a beautiful concept when it was abstract and weird and anything could happen, before everyone else realized it was awesome and proceeded to shit all over it. SIlent Hill 1 through 4 and Shattered Memories are the only games even worth acknowledging, and even then 1, 2 and 3 are the only ones that matter/stay true to the formula. 4 wasn't even supposed to be a Silent Hill game, and the only thing that made it for me was the subtle and clever tie-ins to the other games, and Shattered Memories is just a SIlent Hill 2-esque take on the first game.

[@Sarssus]

I pretty much agree with everything you typed except for some of the points you made. In my opinion Harry and the others in the first Silent Hill don’t go through their own nightmares but instead through Alessa’s nightmare which was brought on by being internally tortured by Samael after she split her soul, basically giving her nightmares a physical form. Also I believe once Harry and Cheryl came into Silent Hill Cheryl ceased to exist and became nothing more than a projection (albeit physical) with the sole purpose of spreading the Seal of Metatron around the town and using Harry to prevent Samael from birthing or destroy him altogether. In Silent Hill 3 Heather sees the monsters because of the influence the demon baby growing inside of her has on her; it could be that he has the power to materialize the monsters physically. It could also mean that since the demon baby knows that Claudia and Vincent are doing everything they can to help it birth; the monsters that it manifests listen to them, or that missionary monster was created by the Cult. I also believe that when James enters Angela’s room their nightmares overlap hence her monster becomes his but having a different reason to exist in both of their nightmares: Angela was raped; James was/is sexually frustrated. Just like when James fights Eddie in the meat locker. Their nightmares overlap with James taking a peek in Eddies nightmare about him being made fun for being obese and him lashing out on those people(hence the fat bodies in the meat locker), and James sees the dead bodies as his own because of want for punishment for his guilt. But then again all I have typed is just my opinion based on the stuff I read about these awesome games and conclusions I came to on my own from playing. I think that’s all I wanted to say, sorry for the bad spelling a bit sleepy. Great job I really enjoyed the read.

[@racquel7]

Yeah, I agree with all your points as well, I was more or less trying to make the point that everyone's experience is different based on why they're in Silent Hill to begin with, and I've seen a lot of arguements over whether or not people can see the same things etc. and I think they can see similar things but never really... The same exact thing, because again, I feel like everything you experience in Silent Hill is tailored to that particular person's psyche. BUT YES, all of the above is true! I avoided blatantly saying any of that because I didn't want to post any real spoilers, so... LOL

[@IIIOldSchooLIII]

The Abstract Daddy.

[@glpz462]

I love this, guys. A real classic. Haven't played it in yrs but, man what a great story.

[@DragonZeara]

There's a brilliant video out there where the voice actor for James and eddie redo the scene with maria. And it's hilarious!

[@que6698]

You two are hilarious. I've enjoyed watching this! I've played many times myself but it's nice to see someone else get lost in that town. 😂🙌🏼

[@Aradim90]

The oppressor is James not Angela's father, each tablet represents one of the characters not monsters. Pat being wrong again.

[@mastermarkus5307]

Poor Pat, so bad at being right.

[@binarynightmare]

I cannot get enough of this LP, it's so fucking good. Of the slew of stuff coming out right now, this is by far my favourite.

[@Nodrog666]

That's some House of Leaves shit right there.

[@felixlucky13]

***** I think you'll like it, if you like psychological thriller mixed with supernatural elements.

[@Nodrog666]

***** I greatly enjoyed it. Obviously, it's not word for word like SH2, but the impossible space and psychological aspects are present. Lot's and LOTS of subtext.

[@Sprech41]

Abstract Daddy (or whatever you want to call it) is probably my favorite enemy in the game. Its just so utterly bizarre, grotesque, and... ABSTRACT. Its heavy with symbolism, but at the same time its so subtle that many don't pick up on it at first.

[@thenetisslow]

I thought that Abstract Daddy looks more like a bed frame than a door frame. That's one of the reasons James sees it too. His wife lay in bed dying, he also fantasied about other women.

[@Brinksarsenal]

4:23 Dark Souls........the beta! We may not have Woolie, but they decided to do this playthrough with Matt. Enjoy!

[@tokyoe100]

jeez, i forgot how good this game was - damn piece of art

[@gaminggoddess85]

HA! I knew I remembered there being another Pyramid Head further into the labyrinth. For some reason I never saw it again after the very first time I played the game so I thought I was nuts. Also I used to recite Maria's lines from the cutscene where she's in jail using the same inflections and tone of voice as she did. Creeped my old boyfriend right the fuck out.

[@BareBandSubscription]

I love the way Angela's trauma and paranoia compliments James's guilt. It shows every component of everyone's respective journey is calculated so precisely, and really hits home that there's no salvation anywhere in the town, even in other people going through the same experience.

[@LPXDproductions]

Guy Cihi is a man Matt is a man, Guy Cihi was born Matt was born coincidence i think not Matt is Guy Cihi... Wake up america

[@godot2609]

"That's the oppressor." I uh... I don't know about that, Pat. When I got the Oppressor Tablet, I first thought of pyramid head- but on my second playthrough, knowing the secrets and the whole James = Pyramid Head thing, well, I figured Oppressor = James. There were symbolic tablets for everyone major, and Pyramid Head wasn't that major in comparison to Maria and Angela, or at least, wasn't as fit for a comparison to the tablets as they were. This writhing mass of flesh in a mattress box spring can't be symbolic of the Oppressor Tablet because the Oppressor Tablet was a figment of James' Silent Hill, and this monster is clearly a figment of Angela's. And we know that their nightmares bleed into James', of course, but that's not the point, Angela wasn't even around or relevant at the time we found the tablets.

[@philipcurry313]

Pat loves impossible space, execpt in dark souls 2. Wow, now pats even wrong about his own opinions!

[@Frellyouall]

Strange how in the game it implies that Angela's father abused her but in the novelisation it was her father AND her brother.

[@inferno232]

"Do you know how much I love impossible space-" No, Pat. No we don't. You should tell us again so we Know What You Mean.

[@animateacumen9396]

Pat, assuming you still read these, great knife doesn't scare them. They just won't attack if you turn off your light. Only works if they haven't seen you. I really only do it for rooms where I won't be returning, there's items, and I don't want a fight.

[@funkymon1251]

Damn Angela wats next you're gonna elbow drop on him!

[@angbandsbane]

No, Pat, the most dangerous way you can hold a shotgun is backwards (i.e. put the barrel in your shoulder and aim the stock at something). The second most dangerous way is to brace the stock against your groin and pull the trigger. Trust me, those things kick like a mule.

[@robotpanda77]

Everything symbolizes sex according to Pat.

[@Chadius]

robotpanda77 Or a DPS race.

[@jonathanplooij3666]

pyramid head suddenly appearing is so scary

[@Hilarious-Maximus]

R.I.P David Bowie.

[@alldayagain]

+Hilarious Maximus The LP death curse continues

[@ChrisDaPatriot]

I subscribe to the theory that Maria is a stripper that James fell in love with while fooling around with her and then they made a kinky sex tape in the hotel that he left there. *SPOILER* The reason James sees himself smothering Mary while he watches the tape is symbolic to him killing their relationship, as she dies of her disease after James leaves her as implied by the conversation heard in the final hallway he is wrought with guilt and totally forgets Maria as he goes to face his demons in Silent Hill. This was a joke that I was making that I ran with because I like the way it sounded, it's mostly bullshit.

[@NARATO0]

Man its only been 3 weeks but there almost done with the game. :(

[@Golemie]

Well it is a short game. It's kinda sad, but it's better than the game overstaying it's welcome and driving the themes into the ground. Here's hoping they'll dive into another Silent Hill one day!

[@slifer875]

Golemie hopefully they do silent hill 3 and 4

[@Gaminating]

And Silent Hills. Better be more than a shitstorm episode

[@gtaIVlord]

Golemie It's not really short. Being a LP and all, they can't take too long paying attention to details and checking around. There's a lot of hidden stuff in SH games. A lot.

[@Golemie]

Marcello Domingues de Melo Lemos Even with paying attention to small details it's not a long game. The game consists of the Apartments, Hospital, Prison, Labyrinth, and the Hotel. Each, if you're not completely lost, take maybe an hour or 2. My first playthrough of the game lasted about eight hours and I got lost constantly. Hidden stuff doesn't make the game any longer man, even the optional areas like Pyramid Head's little home takes like five minutes to traverse. It's pretty damn short.

[@jimmyjams4056]

That creature at the end is also called the abstract daddy or the ideal father, but more blatant but the design is still horrifying

[@magicrectangleEnt]

Also, this week on Things Pat Gets Wrong About Silent Hill 2, Which Would Be Fine If He Didn't Present Every Passing Thought He Has About the Game as Gospel: James does in fact refer to Pyramid Head as Pyramid Head one more time, or technically two: immediately after the final boss fight with Pyramid Head, upon inspection of either one, James will say "Pyramid Head isn't moving anymore."

[@magicrectangleEnt]

Also, does the game ever tell you that Angela's last name is Orosco? I feel like that was something Pat said without it being in the game.

[@raunchyopposition]

runujhkj I believe it says "Angela Orosco" on the grave with Eddie's and James'.

[@magicrectangleEnt]

raunchyopposition Ah, there it is. However, that's not until after you see the newspaper, so Pat actually helped to rob that reveal of any weight.

[@raunchyopposition]

runujhkj This is true, haha. That seems to have happened several times in this playthrough.

[@magicrectangleEnt]

Oh and one more thing: the name of the monster attached to the "door" (it's actually a bed frame) is typically "Abstract Daddy," not "Doorman." raunchyopposition Yeah, he's been doing that left and right this playthrough. Kinda makes me wonder what the point of this playthrough is if Pat is just going to spoil all of the background information, or even to clarify it all to death.

[@docilecatfish1370]

I know this was so long ago, but it just hit me how brilliant the dialogue between James and Maria was just now. It's super creepy because she BAITS you into thinking "is that mary now?" but then she tells you shes not! SHE'S WHAT JAMES LUSTS FOR MARY TO BE ARGHHH. I love it! stuff like this is so much more brilliant than some horror movie. Good call not talking during cutscenes. this is probably one of the best channels to dissect silent hill 2, and that's rare considering sbfp almost never stfu lol

[@thelaughingrouge]

Yeah, it's like the thing notices the "Come over here and bang me already!" routine isn't working so it switches gears.

[@ZhecoNol]

Abstract Daddy, not Door Man. Holy shit I cringed so hard for some reason.

[@blueboy56ify]

the intro is so good that it feels good in my soul

[@TheSkyrile]

It's interesting how SH2 is kinda about all the sins that come from male nature. Eddie killed people just because he wanted to or they were in his way. The whole situation with Angela and her speech about all men being the same and just taking what they want. And of course the main storyline is kinda all about James being a horny motherfucker. And then of course there is Pyramid Head with his design being a male with deformed head and carrying around ether a giant sword or a spear, both are quite prominent phalic sybols. So there's that

[@IanMcHelen]

I do think it's ironic that James denies he's after one thing when overall he's just trying to find a way to "get behind the bars" with Maria.

[@RhysClark97]

"for all intence and purposes" patt covering all bases of confusion by saying this when explaining anything in this game, just to make sure nobody can say he is wrong