Typical Closed-minded Atheist

This comes about in response to being told, hundreds and hundreds of times over the years, that my having once been a believer, and then reading and learning enough to have become a non-believer, but then NOT going back to being a believer again when confronted with familiar, shitty, long-ago-debunked arguments for Christianity, indicates conclusively that I am CLOSED-MINDED. Sound familiar? Changed my mind on something huge, definitive, and life-changing, and not going back? "CLOSED-MINDED!!"
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I, like millions of others, was open-minded enough to have thought my way OUT of Christianity. Those who would criticise someone like me as being "closed-minded" aren't really getting what it means to truly look at ‘both sides’ fairly, as they so often insist that I should. Looking at both sides was what got me out of faith. I know I’m not alone in having the label "closed-minded" applied to me for having looked carefully at arguments that went against everything I wanted to believe, so much so that I had no choice but to relinquish the worldview I defined myself within, and enter a world that seemed utterly bereft of any stability or familiarity. Yeah, real "closed".
An earlier version of the script for this video included the famous quote about a mind, having been stretched by a new idea, being unable to return to its original dimensions. Once you've gone past ascribing godly infallibility to the bible texts, for example, and instead seen them for the purely human, flawed, mistaken, and naturally imperfect documents that they are, one can't simply go back to pretending that those tell-tale signs of their lowly origin are not really there.
I’m hoping that this character (on the left) can be equally as infuriating as the guy I had interviewing Dr. Finch in my 2010 “Special Investigation: Evolution” video. (Remember him? "Not even ONE!") That guy PISSES PEOPLE OFF!
Well I’m not sure that this was worth the wait or not, but it’s what I’ve got. I hope it meets with general approval. It's one for the choir, I know. Well, the choir has been very good to me.
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[@theoreticalexercise]

You're an atheist! You never really believed. "That's like telling a divorced person they never really loved their spouse" perfect.

[@NonStampCollector]

I saw someone on Twitter use that analogy about six months ago. In fact I retweeted it stating that I wish I'd heard it years ago. It's perfect, right?

[@Nathanatos22]

I can’t seem to find the original tweet, but I’m fairly certain Neil Carter of Godless in Dixie was the originator-I remember him making that analogy years ago.

[@JoelJoel321]

Great analogy.

[@MyContext]

The idea works for most, but I would be among the exceptions. I never believed. I wondered why were the adults lying to me. My concept of morality as a kid simply entailed the idea of fairness which made the idea of punishing tricked people simply wrong.

[@JoelJoel321]

@@MyContext You lucky devil.

[@TiagoDallOca]

NonStampCollector is posting? The coming of the Lord is near

[@reformCopyright]

I'm gonna not collect so many stamps! I can't wait!

[@robertusthemac]

He is risen!

[@daffy1981]

Our prayers have been answered!!! Praise NonStampCollector!

[@fluffynator6222]

But he endorsed Apple. He's a false prophet!

[@DanksterPaws]

@@fluffynator6222 💀

[@MigattenoBlakae]

“I just stopped believing in god.” “Oh no! Let’s pray about it right now.” It’s like talking to a brick wall😭

[@Cracker_Smacker]

Talking to brick wall is better atleast they won't bother you

[@HunnysPlaylists]

you are afraid because you know deep down all Prayer Is Prompted By God. you just don't want to anger your "new master."

[@bdogpimpsause]

@@HunnysPlaylistsno. It’s like asking an adult to write a letter for Santa otherwise you won’t get presents. It feels childish and weird to still believe in it.

[@HunnysPlaylists]

@@bdogpimpsause Prayer, the most important, most visceral, deepest thing about Humanity, is not "childish."

[@HunnysPlaylists]

@@bdogpimpsause As I said, All Prayer Is Directly Prompted By God. you deny this urge because you don't want to anger your "master."

[@purplepewds]

I genuinely can't believe that I've had basically this exact conversation with my parents. Wow.

[@NonStampCollector]

Well, I wrote it because I kept.on having the conversation with faithful commenters on my videos. None of it is made up! It's all written by believers. 👍🏻

[@sekaiyoru01]

​@@NonStampCollectorlmao so you made this video because you argued with a bunch of retards on KZbin and concluded that this is how believers act? My nigga, KZbin isn't real life, you do realize that, right?

[@NoOne-ie4xl]

​@@NonStampCollectoryou made the video too realistic it hit too close to home 😢 I'm just sad that this conversation happened to most my loved ones To be fair though most people are more understanding now than before

[@taranlarousa3082]

I’m sorry you had that bad experience. I’d love to talk with you about the faith and maybe share something you haven’t heard!

[@FakingANerve]

​@@taranlarousa3082😂👍

[@BasicShapes]

"Typical atheist, won't even consider the other side!" Actually.....considering the other side of the argument is how I became an atheist...

[@christopherparks2987]

this comment is criminally under-rated

[@Jhart44]

Actually....considering the other side is how I became a Christian. To each their own. Have a great day!

[@christopherparks2987]

@@Jhart44 You're the anomaly here. It isn't as common for people to convert to an irrational belief as it is for people to convert away from it.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@Jhart44 What was it that made you decide to become a christian?

[@alaricpalaiologos665]

Without God creating you to possess knowledge or rationality you have no other option to justify possessing these things coherently. Without God your only other option is that meaninglessness and happenstance somehow magically granted them to you. This is the dilemma Hume posited and no atheist since has even attempted to give an account. It's why all atheists outright deny metaphysics while still making metaphysical claims. You're such slowboys that you won't understand what I've just written.

[@ketamine5818]

this has greatly strengthened my faith in atheism, i must go pray to Darwin now, thank you nsc!

[@ansuz5903]

Real atheists pray to Nietsche

[@spocksvulcanbrain]

@@ansuz5903 No, real atheists entangle (quantum entanglement) with the prosperity of Kirk. Let me send you a link for tithings. /s

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@ansuz5903 there is no true atheist. just people who don't like stamps.

[@proculusjulius7035]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will starve you all for eternity if you fail to realize that he is the one true God. May the pasta be with you, ramen.

[@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT]

"Please open The God Delusion to chapter three, verse five..."

[@jeremysmith3701]

Christians: You just haven't heard my argument! Atheists: We've heard them all a hundred times.

[@codatheseus5060]

Ammanuel: "have you even heard the word of JESUS though?"

[@WhoThisMonkey]

*tens of thousands of times.

[@evanthesquirrel]

The atheist argument is "I want to be able to do what I want without consequences." It's a bad argument. I want that too but unfortunately actions have reactions

[@WhoThisMonkey]

@@evanthesquirrel It must be nice to go through life knowing what is in everyone else's mind. Neurotypical. You do realise Buddhists are atheists too right?

[@codatheseus5060]

@@evanthesquirrel thats a lie to pretend we are more irrational than you. There is no evidence of anything supernatural and "i saw something i couldn't explain naturally" does not count.

[@Boris99999]

I’ve had a friend who’s religious. She once asked me why I’m not Christian. I said because when I’ve read the Bible it didn’t feel like something inspired by a deity but rather something written by primitive people that didn’t know any better. She was really hurt from those words and tried to defend the book. When I’ve started telling her about verses I thought showed my point - she was looking at me with disbelief and saying there were no such things in the Bible. It was really strange. Then she confessed she has only read the Bible for children and never actually read the real one! I strongly recommended her to read it - but she never did! We don’t talk about the Bible any more…

[@taranlarousa3082]

“primitive people that didn’t know any better”… So the thousands of connections across thousands of years is primitive? I’m not saying you have to believe in it but at least acknowledge it as quite a brilliant piece of literature.

[@pig_master101]

@@taranlarousa3082what connections

[@Boris99999]

@@taranlarousa3082 I don’t know what you’ve meant by “thousand connections across thousand years”. If you meant that later additions to the Bible look like they were written by people that have at least heard of the earlier parts of the Bible - it’s not as miraculous of a fact as you’re trying to make it sound. I mean books on Warhammer 40k are written by many authors all around the world yet they all are interconnected and even talk about the same events - should we consider the books of Warhammer 40k to be historically accurate? Yes, some parts of the Bible show primitive understanding of its authors of all the phenomena happening around them: they tried to clean mold by dipping an alive dove into another dove’s blood and spraying it inside the house, they blamed demons and evil spirits for their diseases, they thought men are cleaner than women and thought that menstruation was a sign of committed sin, they thought that stripped patterns on the cattle backs was due to said cattle copulating in front of a stripped fence, they thought that the sky was made of transparent hard material and had windows to let water in from outside, they thought that genocide is a good thing as long as their god permits it!

[@christianmcbrearty]

​@@taranlarousa3082the thing about the bible is that most people believe it was written by Jesus. In reality it was written as complete heresay by his 12 apostles (who weren't holy, even Jesus acknowledged that they were just students) and then rewritten thousands of times by the common man. It's like Chinese whispers. The content will always change the more people and time are contributed. I bet if you read the Bible the way it was originally written you'd be shocked at how different it is from now 😂

[@beepbop6697]

Easiest way to make someone an atheist is to have them actually go read the entire Bible. Let the "word" do all the convincing on its own.

[@-Zer0Dark-]

Sad thing is, when I became an atheist just over ten years ago, these are the EXACT things my devout mother said to me when the subject came up. That I'm closed-minded; that I'm dismissing things before I even bother to hear about them; that I'm not willing to hear the other side of the argument, and that if I would just listen to Jesus' words it would all become clear. Mind you, this is after she dragged me to church 3 times a week for 18 years...

[@mattatron3152]

I know-you can know more about their religion than they do-but they'll still call you the close-minded one-haha...

[@Philemaphobia]

Chrislighting

[@carnsolus]

my girlfriend is doing the same to me right now including the dragging to church

[@laislyra5512]

My mom tells me that "faith comes through listening". As if I didn't spend my entire life going to church.

[@-Zer0Dark-]

@@laislyra5512 Not only that, but leading Bible studies and giving talks (read as: "sermons;" we were Jehovah's Witnesses) from the podium and being congratulated that I had such a firm grasp of the scriptures. Mom certainly thought I was faithful enough to understand Jesus then. Funny how nobody ever doubts your faith until you lose it.

[@EstrellaViajeViajero]

They're both closed-minded for loving Apple. That means that they've rejected the true Word of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. - PC enthusiast.

[@Nurhaal]

Fuck yes. PC MASTER RACE!

[@Cindy99765]

Bless His noodly appendages -R'amen.

[@random6033]

Android also better, because it's not Apple, it's GNU/Linux based and therefore open source.

[@goldminer754]

Linux is the only true way! Dont be lead astray by Windows or MacOs sheeple!

[@random6033]

@@goldminer754 I use Arch btw

[@lucassmith9246]

I know nobody will see this comment but it’s crazy how similar the conversation was between me and my mom. Almost word for word, especially in the “read this book” part. It’s so nice knowing that others have had similar or even identical experiences and that I’m not alone in how I was treated

[@NonStampCollector]

Consider your comment seen.

[@stambo1983]

​@Loddfafnisodr lol

[@agarztheyounger]

Funny enough, baptists will play that card with me whenever I tell them I’m Catholic, as if haven’t read the damn verse, I have and have concluded that your fundamentalist interpretation of it is full of shit.

[@lucassmith9246]

@@agarztheyounger curious: why would your interpretation be correct and theirs wrong? I’ve heard this argument but it makes no sense. If there is so much debate on who has the correct interpretation, then doesn’t that make the author a bad writer?

[@agarztheyounger]

​@@lucassmith9246 People having various interpretations of a written text is not indicative of the writer being bad. People have many diffrent interpretations of Camus, or Shakespear, does that make them bad writers? no of course not. Also there being other interprétations of a text or statement does not change the fact that their is a correct one and does nothing to discredit mine. You can say 30/10= 4,5,6,7,8, all of which are diffrent awnsers to the problem but that doesn't change the fact that the awnser is 3.

[@pinkliongaming8769]

"If you were a true believer you would still believe it now" Thank you Christian for pointing out how hard it is to escape Christianity.

[@zombossin]

@@theveganduolingobird7349 right, and if you do, that makes you close minded.

[@FuddlyDud]

@@zombossin Good thing all the Christian circles don’t hold to such a close minded view! It’s sad though that some Christians don’t and accuse/diminish the other rather than lovingly engage them. :/

[@IndieMusicMinute]

No-true-Scotsman fallacy. Classic

[@zombossin]

@@IndieMusicMinute thank you for educating me on this fallacy, this is so fucking useful lmfao

[@Bradley_UA]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣@@zombossin

[@FratBoyFitness]

Non stamp collector came back like Jesus. Except he actually returned.

[@TheMagnificentGman]

And he's actually real

[@goddessateeba6158]

Exactly

[@ericv00]

More Jesus than Jesus. THAT'S the NonStampCollector I know!

[@_Alex_Zer0_]

And he actually exists.

[@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT]

"Some of you will not taste death before that SOB returns in all his glory." See? Not all prophecy is BS!

[@ZachPincince]

Yep, the fact that we're willing to change our entire world view based on new information definitely makes us closed-minded - they've got us there 😂😂

[@bladerunner3314]

Uh, you heard, they found the ark ... again ... not good enough? DNA is soooo complex .... no? Oh, this one is good: Soft - Dino - Tissue ... no? He died for you? What do you mean no evidence? What about josephus? Lived after jeebus' death? No, there are no contradictions in the buybull! NO, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR OR SEE YOUR YOUR EVIDENCE! YOU'RE CLOSE MINDED!!! *LALALALALALALALALA!!!!!*

[@dopeydonaldtrump3744]

@@bladerunner3314 Don't forget the banana argument 🤣

[@ananousous]

@@dopeydonaldtrump3744 God, the memories 😂

[@miguelthealpaca8971]

@@dopeydonaldtrump3744 Oh the banana argument, that's the best one! It's the atheists' nightmare!

[@FungIsSquish]

He got a Mac tho. Not really based on any real information am I right

[@thomashugus5686]

I’m 71 and become an atheist in the last 5 years. Never felt better! I actually read the Bible on a challenge! I realized then I was an atheist. I was just afraid to announce myself as a non believer. I always was a doubting Christian but was afraid to confront the indoctrination!

[@asagoldsmith3328]

I'm very happy for you! I hope you still have a community that loves and respects you and you haven't been shunned by people who pretended to care.

[@deepak_gr3yed]

Damn

[@puppergump4117]

Good for you. Your presumed identity is more important than thinking and researching lol. Doubting the events in the bible is fine, but without looking into most of it, you'll see it as fairy tales instead of now-understood events such as eclipses and natural disasters.

[@user-kl6lo7hx4w]

@@puppergump4117christianity is a natural disaster

[@zr0912]

⁠​⁠@@puppergump4117Not to be rude but if you’re actually “thinking and researching” I doubt you would believe in the Bible. I’ll even take it a step further and say if you actually read the Bible and not just feel good scripture, you wouldn’t even want to serve a tyrant of a god who contradicts himself and goes against his own morality, playing favorites and not giving one iota about the people/children he slaughters or condemns to slavery/sex slavery. Let’s not forget he also gave bad advice to his people to go to war once more, causing them to die in a mass number even after a good amount of them were killed already.

[@elephantcubed4133]

I'm a 14-year-old who was raised in a southern baptist environment (and still goes to church. It's not like I have much of a say in the matter.) One day about a year ago, your biblical contradictions video popped up in my recommended. I originally clicked on it with the intention to trash on it, but after I finished it, it planted a seed of doubt in my mind that led me to a year-long rabbit hole of atheist content and rational debunkings of things I had believed to be obviously true my whole life. I officially came to terms with the fact that I was an atheist exactly 2 months ago as of writing this comment. I am immensely grateful that you and channels like yours have helped to pull me out of the lie that was my former religion. Right now I am trying to subtly ask questions and give small clues that could potentially hint to my family and friends about my beliefs, because if I outright say, "I don't believe in God", it could definitely strain quite a few of my closest relationships. I really just want to say thank you for all that your videos have helped me with :)

[@NonStampCollector]

Fourteen years old was just when I was getting INTO it. Born again at that age. Good for you, there's enough confusion ahead of you over the next few teenage years without this shit adding to it!

[@dauntless0711]

For everyone out there going through the same thing, I know it’s hard, (believe me, I’ve been there,) but coming clean with your family is the only way to end the pointless trips to church. If you know they love you, tell them clearly you no longer believe, and trust them to do what’s right.

[@beingaware8542]

great comment, so It has been a year since your comment. How have things gone for you?

[@elephantcubed4133]

@@beingaware8542 Hey thanks for checking up, I forgot I made this comment. As far as the environment goes, unfortunately not much has changed, but things are getting better personally. In the past year I've really just been trying to focus on bettering myself and trying to study and refine my opinions more thoroughly. I recently started journaling and taking notes on the sermons I hear, noting when the pastor says something I disagree with and trying to correct it. I have definitely been better about not letting the harmful teachings get to me as much, and I am in a much better and stronger mental state than I was when I made the previous comment. Funny thing is, I just got back from a week long christian youth camp, which despite the regular harmful and fallacious messaging, was an incredibly therapeutic experience for me, as I had a TON of time to reflect on and put into words just my tangled train of thought and issues I had floating around in my mind. I wish I could say that I'm out and proud to the people in my life now, but unfortunately that isn't the case. It just isn't the right time for me to do that yet, but I'm not upset and I just try to make sure I'm ready as possible when the time comes. Hope this update offers some insight :)

[@kirielbranson4843]

@@elephantcubed4133don't feel you have to come out now especially at your age. I don't think the person who said you should thought about the consequences. You are completely under their control and if you don't feel safe, don't do it. Do what you have been doing. For my parents, I was fully an adult in my 30's when I became an atheist but I never did tell my parents. My mother got so much from the church and it brought her a lot of comfort. My dad was more wishy washy but would have hurt my mom by ranting about my and my siblings disbelief. They knew me and most of my siblings didn't go to church but my mom just thought of us as lapsed. They are both gone, 30 years later. I am 61 now. I never told them, my siblings didn't. None of us regret that.

[@jwoodsonmusic]

They’re always the one accusing me of being closed minded, while simultaneously straight up telling me that arguments will never change their mind and they won’t read the things I recommend to them. All the heavy lifting is supposed to be on my end, not theirs. It’s not about them wanting me to actually examine the issues, it’s about them feeling comfortable. They’re made uncomfortable by the fact that I changed my mind on this topic. It tells them that they could do it too, and that terrifies them.

[@AndrewHalliwell]

Seems to me,you need to move to the UK. No-one gives a Damn about atheism vs Christianity here anymore. Will, not many, anyway.

[@BLZ231]

@@AndrewHalliwell believe me, a lot of us would move away from the US to get away from the religious BS if we could, but unfortunately that’s not really feasible for many of us. I’m lucky in that I live in an at least somewhat reasonable state, but for the nonbelievers in the south...it must be a nightmare.

[@BLZ231]

The reason why atheists make theists uncomfortable is actually the same reason why a lot of vegetarians make meat eaters uncomfortable. Namely, it raises really uncomfortable questions, the biggest one being: If they’re right, what does that say about me? Challenging ones preconceived ideas can be really hard, and often people find it easier to demonize those they disagree with rather than honestly face the unsettling possibility that they could be wrong.

[@solidaritytime3650]

* /Doxastic Anxiety/ *

[@cade8986]

Exactly

[@raysmith6731]

The worst thing I hear is when people tell me “You just hate God!” or “You know that God exists but you just use your atheism as a reason to be immoral!” as if they can read my mind 😅

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

And as if that would make any sense. If you know god exists why would you pretend to be an atheist and be sent to hell for eternity? It's because theists lack critical thinking skills that they can even think this stupid argument is worth making. The real answer... again...is that I don't believe in the god claim because the burden of proof has not been met and I am not gullible. But I am sure we will continue to be accused of just hating god.

[@justinmegibben4909]

Thats why I simply say I refuse to worship a shitty god

[@miksceihners50]

God damnit, they got me again

[@spocksvulcanbrain]

@@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 It's even more than no proof. The existence of an all-powerful being that created the world and is involved with our everyday lives, is, well.... batshit crazy!!!! I don't need evidence to know when I hear a "fact" that sounds like it was obtained during a 3 day LSD trip. I put zero time and effort into other delusional ideas as well. When someone finally discovers that there is a "god realm" where supernatural beings exist outside of time and science has investigated and confirmed it, it's not worth any effort on my part to consider it. I consider 2-foot lizard people living on Venus on the same level. It's just a stupid and unfounded concept.

[@DaveCM]

"You just want to sin." My little brother accused me of that one. I sure want to know what all this sin is that I want to commit. I am a faithful husband, I don't drink, don't do drugs, don't really go anywhere except to to work and to ride my bike,...I live a pretty boring life. LOL!

[@xJohnnyBloodx]

Asking an atheist to prey so they can strengthen their faith is like asking a lactose intolerant person to drink milk to build tolerance.

[@bobsnider-rz1td]

you doughnut, u chose the one example that doesnt fit, by drinking milk in small quantities u can build uo tolerance to lactose lol.

[@xJohnnyBloodx]

@@bobsnider-rz1td is that true? I eat ice-cream all the time, i still get the squirts

[@bobsnider-rz1td]

@@xJohnnyBloodx if u eat ice cream all the time then u must have a tolerance otherwise u would be puking ur guts out every time lol

[@hyperfreeze2714]

@@bobsnider-rz1td there are many different levels of lactose intolerance, dude. Theres a roughly 80% chance that you're lactose intolerant

[@bobsnider-rz1td]

@@hyperfreeze2714 yh but u still have some level of tolerance

[@dogwithheadphones]

The fact that these two characters started out by being friends before the topic of atheism came up and the Christian got upset and argued against it with factual errors and logical fallacies is a perfectly accurate representation of how most Christians react to someone disagreeing with them

[@SioxerNikita]

To be fair, that is primarily American Christians

[@jackooooooooo]

​@@SioxerNikitaliterally. Obviously this video is made for atheists but its always a strawman with these sort of videos. I say this as a non christian.

[@SioxerNikita]

@@jackooooooooo The problem is, in terms of American Christians... this isn't really a strawman... I am not saying every Christian in America is like this, but it is certainly not uncommon. People have lost family over becoming an atheist, as well as jobs, and so on.

[@jackooooooooo]

@@SioxerNikita Depends on which parts of the states. Even 13 years ago when this dude was first uploading, atheism was generally being normalized in general. The only places youll get shit in is the deep red, and even then its more so fine if you keep it private.

[@SioxerNikita]

@@jackooooooooo How many does it depends on where, sure, but it is not just in the deep red, even to this day

[@nyekomimi]

He was never his friend. Friends don't tell friends to buy a MacBook.

[@hughlion1817]

I can't argue with that especially since the 2016 MacBooks but I must confess I'm excited to see where the Asahi Linux team goes as they slowly reverse engineer the new Apple Silicon chips. ARM-based Linux on the new M1's could be absolutely amazing... If and only if they can manage the impossible and write drivers that can effectively exploit the new architecture. But that hector Martin guy has much experience with graphics drivers considering he recently wrote one for some Mali GPUs so maybe it's possible

[@anantav51]

you must have never tried the new M1 Macs before

[@stevenaustin8274]

Had a Mac book for over ten years never let me down wouldn’t have nothing else

[@rhysdenno5993]

@@anantav51 regardless. It's MacOS

[@jeannieh3661]

Mac's are for people who love shopping at Target.

[@RogerWazup007]

The most annoying "tactic" of all is when they expect atheists to be lost and searching for answers and say "you're not asking because you want to know; you just want to debate" while Christians aren't expected to be open or wanting to know where atheists are coming from. Some believers want to dump their beliefs and then leave because they've done their part or "will not cast pearls before swine" while flinging their nose upward in perceived superiority.

[@jacobyates4585]

That sucks that you experienced that bro; it's very difficult to try to talk to others when they aren't really listening to your perspective.

[@RogerWazup007]

I'm used to it since I debate all the time.

[@jorgemexicanlastname7062]

As someone growing up in an era that condemns belief in God I experience the inverse phenomenon. Its more or less an aspect of human nature rather than an atheist v Christian thing. Like I'm sure you've seen the trope of the born again Christian being depicted as annoying and preachy.

[@rorrim0]

@@jorgemexicanlastname7062 It comes from believing your virtuous by what you identify as or believe rather then your actions. "I'am a good person because i believe in god." " I'am a good person because i don't believe in God." Moral superiority will always be present in groups no matter what they believe.

[@RogerWazup007]

Yeah. I imagine that in a majority non-Christian area, Christians will feel what atheists and others feel in Christian-majority areas.

[@elliejohnson2786]

I love how natural the conversation seems, it's extremely well written and voice acted. Well done!

[@rsyvbh]

Nsc stated in another comment that the entire conversation consists of arguments with theists.

[@jamesfinch9987]

5:18 "The Bible is useful" - The Bible

[@Snakie747]

For many believers, "open mindedness" is only required if you believe the "wrong" thing.

[@bobhope4288]

"Let us keep our minds open by all means, as long as that means keeping our sense of perspective and seeking an understanding of the forces which mould the world. But don’t keep your minds so open that your brains fall out! There are still things in this world which are true and things which are false" - Prof. Walter Kotschnig

[@drunkenhobo8020]

And these days it applies to a hell of a lot more than just traditional religion!

[@Rawnblade13]

I've seen it alot with pseudoscience crap too. Astrology, psychics, alternative medicine, etc. Any time you express skepticism, they immediately scream you're close-minded.

[@denisgen86]

@@Rawnblade13 well why are you not a skeptic about atheism too?

[@theconservativechristian7308]

I mean we believe we are right so yeah 🤷🏻‍♂️. But even within Christianity there are secondary issues that we disagree on so it’s not JUST with respect to nonbelievers.

[@henryholt4881]

“you haven’t listened to the arguments and given the christian side a chance” as if i haven’t spent the majority of my life believing in christianity, centered my friendships family and beliefs around it and studied it constantly

[@puppetsock]

Sadly, the folks who tend to have the least knowledge of Christian arguments are the Christians themselves. The single most efficient method to create atheists is to read the bible carefully and completely. I was doing OK reading it. I was having some trouble swallowing some of the things. Then I got to Brides for the Tribe of Benjamin. And the book had to be retrieved from the farthest corner of the room.

[@HN-kr1nf]

it's because these people can't fathom the fact that there's something seriously wrong with their beloved religion that makes people want to leave. seen it with islam.

[@alaricpalaiologos665]

Christian theism is the presupposition of all meaning, all rational significance, all intelligible discourse. Even when someone argues against Christian theism, he presupposes it, for he presupposes that rational argument is possible and that truth can be conveyed through language. The non-Christian, then, is like a child sitting on her father’s lap, slapping his face. She could not slap him unless he supported her. Similarly, the non-Christian cannot carry out his rebellion against God unless God makes that rebellion possible. Contradicting God assumes an intelligible universe and therefore a theistic one.

[@brenton2561]

@@alaricpalaiologos665 religion is just mythology that doesn't know it yet. Don't get me wrong, mythology is beautiful, but it is how our ancestors conveyed knowledge through storytelling. Christianity just wrote it down...

[@alaricpalaiologos665]

@@brenton2561 Without God creating you to possess knowledge or rationality you have no other option to justify possessing these things coherently. Without God your only other option is that meaninglessness and happenstance somehow magically granted them to you. This is the dilemma Hume posited and no atheist since has even attempted to give an account. It's why all atheists outright deny metaphysics while still making metaphysical claims. You're such slowboys that you won't understand what I've just written.

[@thatweirdphoneguystickman5596]

As a Christian, I think this video is helpful. Not everyone thinks criticism is a good thing, but when I hear this I just thought, man the guy on the left is totally being closed minded. I try to be as open minded as possible, thats why I watch stuff like this that is against Christianity, but it just goes to show that sterotyping atheists as all closed minded can be really common even though its not necessarily true, but also I see a lot of people in these comments just dogging on Christians, which, after seeing this video, you shouldn't think, haha, Christians are dumb for stereotyping atheists like that, when that is stereotyping all Christians as closed minded too.

[@thatweirdphoneguystickman5596]

Shoot. I made this comment really long and boring.

[@ZihKingMusic]

Naaw, it was perfect actually.@@thatweirdphoneguystickman5596

[@yourmum69_420]

@@thatweirdphoneguystickman5596 what is your opinion on flat earthers?

[@thatweirdphoneguystickman5596]

​@@yourmum69_420 Idk. I don't agree with their beliefs, and I believe that their evidence for their belief is flawed. Considering that there is recorded evidence against it, eyewitness claims against it, and that it is usually disproven by simple scientific proofs. If you're going to say, well doesn't that apply to Christians as well, I would recommend you read The Case for Christ, (which was written by an atheist). Also, there is written evidence of the miracles of Christ, that are not sourced from the Bible or Christians, and evidence against it, such as carbon dating, is not fully proven, but is accepted as general fact based on limited studies of more recent events. Also, please don't claim that there isn't factual evidence supporting Christianity, there is evidence that just doesn't align with atheist beliefs. If you do have any proof against Christianity, please present the evidence and your reasoning for contradiction and I would be happy to try to explain it. (I like debating, and I don't normally comment like such a bot, it's just I have a lot of points I want to get in. Sorry)

[@pombo1917]

Long comment? I haven't even realized. I think my attention span is increasing!

[@micahh016]

I never knew there were so many people like me who were trapped in Christianity and have now been able to escape. After 16 years of it, I finally came to recognize the lie I’ve been living for so long. I feel infinitely better not being trapped by the confines of that religion, and I’m glad to know I’m not the only one. Thank you for this video!

[@meller7303]

A new nonstampcollector video?! I guess God has answered my prayers 😅

[@fyt54321]

Hell yeah! Hell, hell yeah!

[@vegannegan9652]

Amen brother 🙏

[@vegannegan9652]

Hallelujah

[@mark7166]

What are you, some kind of stamp collector or something?

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

God works in mysterious ways

[@nukeofficial1103]

5:18 "The Bible has investigated the Bible and found no contradictions"

[@thejaxicarps1921]

This pretty much summed up my conversation with an old friend. It's crazy how quick the tone changes when they find out you're not religious, yet these same people mock the blind obedience to cults without ever noticing the irony.

[@PutsOnSneakers]

I lost a job once when I said I didnt believe in god during lunch. Everyone crowded around me and were amazed... It's First time Muslims and Christians came together with a common goal since MLK and Malcom X to "hunt down" this "evil" Atheist...

[@maxinedobbs4360]

God I remember going through this as a kid when I became a Buddhist. There’s only so many threats of hell you can take before getting vaguely irritated by it

[@tklyte]

The next time someone asks "Do you believe in God?" ... try saying "which one?" and watch their reaction. It's a fun exercise.

[@chellobalgar9552]

Yeah, i ask this question too. Its a mistake, people should ask "do you believe in Jehovah or Jesus." It helps clear stuff up.

[@colmlooney5843]

Nah man this sounds good in practice but it just flops in reality. These people have been programmed for such a response. They'll just go "the one true saviour, the father who guides the Holy spirit" BS that they constantly spew.

[@fomori2]

@@colmlooney5843 Then you pretend to act all enlightened and name the primary deity of another religion. Keep doing that everytime they say no or seem frustrated. Dont every say the one they are looking for though, and when if they become specific then say 'Really, I dont consider that one all that important or even top 5 in my study of religions, so I never would have thought of it'.

[@colmlooney5843]

@@fomori2 lol

[@spinzbydagamer111]

Not really. The question can be answered very simply.

[@Ch1pp007]

Did this with an old friend recently. Read the apologist book he recommended. Outlined all the many, many ways it was wrong/contradictory. Got told to read another apologist book.

[@grahvis]

Like that friar with videos on KZbin, he did one asking atheists if they were good atheists. In it he asked if certain authors had been read, as if there would be a need.

[@Oswlek]

Well have you read the other book yet?! Typical closed minded atheist!

[@chriswinchell1570]

@@grahvis He was a complete wanker in that vid. Utterly obtuse. That video may hold the record for the most number of response videos, each of which illustrated unique approaches to demonstrate that obi Wan was a jerk off.

[@DoodleNoodle129]

Maybe if you read enough apologist books you won’t be close minded. Wait no I got that wrong. Maybe if you change your views to exactly what my views are then you won’t be closed minded.

[@chriswinchell1570]

@@DoodleNoodle129 Maybe if someone hit you with one of the books and you became brain damaged. I detest these people. My first experience was when I got kicked out of my ccd class. The priest gave me a book called “The Cartoon Key to Heaven,” Sanctimonious, pedantic knob polisher.

[@tygical]

"obviously you're still working out!" >literally stickmen

[@asherwilkins465]

As someone who came out as a nonbeliever to my pastor dad and family this whole video is literally all the arguments we had

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

Proves the point how close minded they are. Sorry that you gotta deal with that.

[@NicholasFJB]

@@Ghent_Halcyonit’s close minded to defend what you believe, and what you hold valuable to you? Ridiculous.

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

@@NicholasFJB Imma bet 1000 bucks that the arguments aren’t started by the dude who wrote the comment. I’m also going to bet they aren’t really arguments just attacks and bullying.

[@loganator2688]

@@NicholasFJBcan the same not be said about atheists? Except philosophy and some thinking is used to come to their conclusion.

[@NicholasFJB]

@@loganator2688 “some thinking” lol. Some of the greatest minds in history have been Christian (Isaac Newton, Carl Jung, Fyodor Dostoevsky, etc…). I’m sure you won’t argue that their “thinking” was quite profound, from which they arrived at the conclusion that there is a God.

[@maxstirner8717]

This scenario's logic is flawed: no android user would _ever_ make the switch to apple. I find this syllogism to be spurious.

[@andrewlockett4569]

My first generation HTC still whips the ass off that preening poser i phun!!!

[@tmoe_ow2523]

Apple phones are definitely better purely because of social media app integration and iMessage

[@MotownModels]

@Ryandal Gilmore you're using social media right now you idiot

[@irrelevant_noob]

@Max Stirner have you surveyed any android users whose spouses had gotten "the new iphone," as this scenario actually entails?

[@maxstirner8717]

@@irrelevant_noob Android users and mac users don't mix company, as apple users are estupido.

[@timbrosius]

The story structure of this script is impeccably brilliant

[@Knytz]

i liked it too

[@Knytz]

@@kaifchowdhury4247 Remember, you're the one with resentment. You're the one beeing defensive

[@Knytz]

@@kaifchowdhury4247 😅Now you're atributting labels to others. Do you think this video is a waste of time, then go and do a funnier activity

[@claudiusaftoiu5733]

Watching this made me nervous when the big reveal was coming , omg

[@NonStampCollector]

Like a bass drop.

[@AndrewStorsved]

As a solid Christian, this is hilarious. It’s very unfortunate that there is MANY Christian’s like this. I understand your viewpoint even if it’s not mine and find your content really good.

[@Jakegage716]

W comment. Respect

[@prophecybydefault4708]

Respect.

[@matthall22]

This really hits home for me, seeing as how I deconverted during Covid

[@harrycooper5231]

Congratulations! Welcome to reality. :)

[@kevinquiroz5384]

I hope your theist relatives had a positive reaction 😋

[@rayflyers]

Make sure you're still meeting your needs for community, meaning, etc. Religion provides these under false pretense, but you can find them without religion too. Atheist KZbinrs like this are a great place to start.

[@scapegoatiscariot2767]

Congratulations. I hope you'll be wise about letting others know this, specifically Christians who could hurt you if they knew this. And Christians don't always have to do anything to hurt you. They can simply not do what they should do.

[@MrWin-pj4sg]

Good luck, and I hope you're able to enjoy your new worldview without anyone treating you as closed-minded because of it.

[@toastbread3003]

I still can't believe NSC is back. I remember being about 14 and watching the Noah's ark videos for the first time and thinking they were just the smartest, funniest thing ever. Now I'm 25 and still here 😅

[@pdpgb]

Yup that's basically me too. I'm also glad he hasn't gone full political like so many other atheist channels that helped deconvert me back then.

[@MrZaborskii]

🤣

[@alexrogers777]

@@pdpgb Eh, I agree that I'm also glad that he hasn't gone political but with how the right has been treating politics like a religion lately I can't blame other atheist youtubers for addressing it. Religion has become an integral part of their politics so it makes sense to talk about it

[@pdpgb]

@@alexrogers777 I think you're painting a much more rosy picture than is actually the case with these people I'm talking about. They're not so much talking about the religion in politics (which would be fine) but moreso shitting even on fellow atheists who don't agree with the most fringe leftist politics like trans issues, BLM and open borders. Also being pro censorship and pro war. Not to even get into the Covid thing where banning people from assembling in church somehow magically doesn't infringe on freedom of religion because the CDC says so.

[@homotheticwren]

@@pdpgb Hey, not to undercut your point too much, but I think at least the end isn’t quite right. Freedom of expression (including both speech and religion) can be limited, legally, for a number of different reasons, but primary among them, and relevant in this case, is if the expression in question poses a serious and demonstrable risk to public health. That is why it is not illegal to ban people from assembling, even in churches.

[@iamsenjey]

“Not even One!!” Is such a good callback to the evolution video nsc made, I don’t know how many people actually catch that little Easter egg 🤣🤣🤣

[@NonStampCollector]

It's in there for folks like you, Senjey.

[@cayden5257]

I love how you cite real bible verses throughout your videos. Really shows how knowledgeable you are and how much effort you put into your videos (besides animation lol)

[@houseofleaves126]

He never cut his hair like a good Christian

[@RobeonMew]

REAL followers of the faith aren't allowed to cut their hair.

[@rancidtown]

But the bible also says that men with long hair are abominations

[@shanehull6235]

@@rancidtown didn’t Jesus have long hair lol

[@rancidtown]

@@shanehull6235 exactly this is the hypocrisy of the bible

[@Dragonblaster1]

I'm 58. I never cut my hair. But it's heavy metal, not Christianity.

[@OscarGT25]

"NOT EVEN ONE!" A classic.

[@Tatsh2DX]

Best part!

[@solidaritytime3650]

I was really hoping someone would make the reference which referenced that for which there is no known video.

[@dudega3ing]

Gave me goosebumps

[@diogenessilviocemartins9019]

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION LALALALALA

[@kerbe3]

@@diogenessilviocemartins9019 I’m not sure if you noticed but the atheist claimed he was god and wanted to just rape and murder.

[@WWH_develoments]

I was about to think that this is some crap against atheists, but this honestly is just enjoyable content. Thank you.

[@TheIncredabad69]

"closed minded atheist UTTERLY DESTROYS believer with fax and lojic"

[@matthewsocoollike]

“Every contradiction in the bible has been explained!!” LOOL the amount of times I’ve heard this

[@WilbertLek]

"explained" In this case doesn't mean rationally.

[@mattm8870]

Dont the explanations all boil down to test of faith and/or mysterious ways.

[@WilbertLek]

@@mattm8870 So, not rationally, logically or reasonable.

[@Dwayne_Bearup]

Well, in fact, every contradiction in the bible *has* been explained...in a way that proves the bible is total fiction.

[@WhereWhatHuh]

Blanket statements like that are a bit tough to fathom. But I, a Christian, often hear a similar argument from Atheists and Antitheists: that every argument for God "has been debunked." I think that in each case ... the Christian on the alleged contradictions, and the non-Christians on the alleged proofs of God, are engaging in Kripkean dogmatism, and that both sides should examine all arguments on a case-by-case basis. That would be much more rational. Wouldn't you agree?

[@onyxtay7246]

I've recently come out. This is painfully accurate. The hardest part is being told my disbelief is because I'm being controlled by demons. If I was to say someone was only religious because they've been manipulated by an abusive religion then they'd be upset (regardless of whether it's true), but they are somehow allowed to dehumanize me and act like I have no agency.

[@Godlimate]

It pains me how much of a reality this is.

[@andyrihn1]

Tell them they’re being deceived an evil djinn to turn away from the will of Allah and see how they react

[@andyrihn1]

Although my favorite are the Mandaeans who believe Jesus was a deceiver who corrupted the teachings of John the Baptist

[@mattatron3152]

I feel you. The demons part is new for me, but the second you drop the A-bomb on people-shit gets real-doesn't it?

[@Alice_Fumo]

Well, sadly it is very hard for brainwashed people to admit to themselves that that is what happened, especially if not trying to fight it is the generally easier option to live a happy life. In the end, they're all victims of a radical story which has destroyed lives for milennia. But at least it's getting better. We're living in the age of englihtenment where people have access to information and the internet. People are leaving religions at unprecedented rates and eventually it will get to a point where it might be treated like any other psychosis or brainwashing in early childhood. Sadly, you can only ever help those who want help, so I suggest you get away entirely from that bigotry.

[@d1egolophu]

15 year old average brazilian here. I've recently had a very similar conversation almost word for word at times with my mom... about my sexuality.. y'know, the one thing that might be even more introspective than a religion? "How would you know that if you've only tried with one person", yeah that makes sense, of course I was born gay and had no process to get there. "Maybe if you met new people you'd get more friends", right because it definitely wasn't through that trial process that made understand what kind of people I like being with, got it. "You're just being manipulated by him to think that", oh yeah, because that's not the exact thing you're doing to me right now. Plus the exercising one hit way too close to home I REALLY hope I don't grow up to be that kind of person in any way. Helen Keller did say that suffering develops character after all...

[@kosmic1483]

15 year old avarage brazilian too and i fell you

[@swxqt6826]

Suffering might cause trouble in your life, although, it’s unlikely to make you a bad person. At worst, you might be desensitized to it, which can be fixed. At best, it makes you a better, more thick-skinned person.

[@meria2082]

I was taught to believe in God even as a preschooler. I never questioned anything and just followed what everyone else I knew believed in. That was until I started watching youtube videos that weren’t just roblox and gacha life. I realized that I never actually connected with Christianity at all. It was really hard to keep doing CLE (Christian Life Education) assignments because I knew I was lying every time I praised God. I told my mom about it, but she still had me go through Confirmation even though people who didn’t have the same beliefs weren’t required to go. Had a lot of crying sessions, but I’ve moved on and accepted that it’s not my fault that my school requires me to praise the Lord. Its crazy cause even my math teacher makes us write prayers for when its our turn to be prayer leader. I wish children didn’t have to be raised into religion so young. They don’t even understand what that stuff really means.

[@Hawkcam1996]

“A typical close-minded atheist. Not even willing to look at any other viewpoint that doesn’t square with your preconceived atheistic worldview” Laying on the projection pretty thick there, huh?

[@NicholasFJB]

Nope, atheists are just close minded. I would know, being a former atheist for years.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

"Thank Jesus for leading us through the pandemic. We won't blame him for causing it or leading us IN to it, but he sure does get the credit for getting us OUT of it, amirite?"

[@summan41man]

The argument was a fallacious one. We are in the pandemic because of the decisions of man. We might get out of it through the decisions of other men.

[@2014saints]

Typical for Christians to think every GOOD thing that happens is because god intervened in reality. Every BAD thing is caused by humans.

[@summan41man]

@@2014saints typical presumption from an atheist. Man has created many good things

[@2014saints]

@@summan41man Has god ever done anything bad?

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@summan41man It seems like you're being intentionally obtuse. If so, just stop. If not, still stop, but also go back to school.

[@pigdog126]

OMG, I literally laughed out loud. "You don't believe in god? Let's pray about it, right now."

[@davidpiepgrass743]

I was Mormon for almost three decades, but then I saw NonStampCollector, Luke Muehlhauser's Common Sense Atheism, the CES Letter (a Mormon thing), and this little poem: Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

NSC is risen!!!

[@century1goomba74]

Like Jesus from the dead. Can I get an Amen? 🙏🙏🙏

[@JohnCena8351]

@@century1goomba74 AAAAAAMMMMEN Brotha!

[@kevinquiroz5384]

yaaaaaaaaaay

[@lukes8495]

Hallelujah!!!

[@Alibm80]

Hallelujah!

[@matthewhendricks4308]

I used to think that people that didn’t share my Christian beliefs just didn’t believe in God because they wanted to sin or something, and now having changed so many of my beliefs, I have found that many people who take the time to criticize Christianity do so because they have spent enough time in connection with Christianity’s ideas to see how hurtful they are

[@trainerkam3218]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt Why did god decide to flood the world and almost everything on it if he loved everyone?

[@trainerkam3218]

@@sammur1977 was asking BoldColt. If God loved everyone, then why did he attempt to do a restart on every living thing on earth, killing almost all humans, animals, plants, etc. That doesn't really come off as being unconditionally loving to me.

[@trainerkam3218]

@@sammur1977 Did God know that humans would turn out to be evil? And if he's all powerful, why not selectively target the the humans who were evil while remaining his other creations unharmed? I don't see how one can argue for God being merciful by killing everyone because everyone besides one family was evil, when God always knew that the humans he would go to create would immediately disobey him, leading to unimaginable suffering.

[@chellobalgar9552]

The truth is that christianity is against most people's thinking, and against the spiritual powers here. not so much that if misused it causes harm

[@matthewhendricks4308]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt I see what you're saying. Christianity is not a monolith. There are different interpretations of Christianity and different beliefs about who God is and what Christianity means to different people. For me personally, the main way that Christianity has hurt me comes from my parents' involvement in a particular brand of fundamentalist Christianity - some people might call it "quiverfull Christianity" if you're familiar with that term. The beliefs that they surrounded themselves with both encouraged and supported bad parenting techniques such as isolating and homeschooling me and my siblings when we were children and expecting that we would remain under what you might call the "umbrella of their authority" as we moved into adulthood. The Christian leaders that my parents listened to, and the communities that they were a part of pushed beliefs that negatively influenced my development as a child and that of my siblings. When I began to realize that in adulthood and verbalize it to them, their interpretation of Christianity played into the way that they responded, and the way that they responded eventually led to the complete breakdown of our relationship. Later, it would lead to the breakdown of their relationship with most of my other siblings, and eventually, it led to the breakdown of their relationship with each other, and they divorced. For me personally, when I say that Christianity contains some toxic beliefs, one of the main areas that I would point to would be the relationship that Christian doctrine encourages between parents and children. Not all Christians interpret the Bible the same way, but it is source material that lends itself to being interpreted by large groups of Christians as encouraging a relationship where parents will permanently rule over their children in a "patriarch and matriarch" sort of society.

[@HayCorvus]

There's something incredibly wholesome about these two stick figures catching up with one another.

[@JJ-qo7th]

"Obviously someone's hurt you." At that point I would have left. Aside from accusing me of being dishonest, it's pathologizing me as well.

[@subtlegong2817]

As a former priest whose been a very comfortable agnostic for over a decade now this conversation is entirely too relatable. Many times over

[@alexisdumas84]

Ironically, the "you were never truly a believer" insult is actually accurate in my case, and I'm quite proud of it. Growing up, I never believed in miracles, never had faith, never felt God's presence or the Holy Spirit working, never thought my prayers were answered. The only reason I was a Christian is because my dad introduced me to the transcendental and presuppositional arguments for God/Christianity when I was as young as 5, and continued to hammer them home (having me read books like Gordon H. Clark's "A Christian View of Men and Things" at 12) without ever presenting the refutations of these arguments or even other arguments. Since I was a rational little kid, I tentatively accepted these arguments for the Christian religion until I begin to take philosophy classes and realized it was totally possible to have a coherent philosophy without God at it's center. I researched all the arguments for God, found them lacking, prayed, didn't have my prayers answered with any evidence, and so I left. Simple as that.

[@Gandhi_Physique]

Idk if I ever believed in a God either. I mean, I went to churches a few times and read a little bit of the bible from a hotel I was in. I did kinda believe in psychic stuff and anime powers though, and to some extent kinda do but... it is complicated and probably isn't coming off the way I intended but yeah. If someone told me I wasn't ever a believer I'd be like, "So what's your point?"

[@xczechr]

That's not what irony is.

[@alexisdumas84]

@@xczechr they try to insult me, but it didn't work *because* it's true. That seems like irony to me? "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result."

[@jaycol21]

Same for me. Even as a very little kid, I just couldn’t buy into it. I remember my dad bought a kid’s picture bible that I liked to read when I was like 4/5. But, I didn’t believe actually believe the stories were real. House was full of story books that weren’t supposed to be real. My tiny little kid mind couldn’t understand how anybody else could believe that stuff. But, I went through all the rituals to make my mom happy even though I made it abundantly obvious I thought it was all silly. Read the Bible multiple times because Catholic school. Learned about other religions. Cemented for me that it was all BS. Never even got close to believing.

[@gl00merz]

@@jaycol21 sorry for your lack of faith

[@PelycheeaceRA]

I love that you made the effort to make the coffee mugs look 3 dimensional, while not giving the people clothes :D

[@NonStampCollector]

and included a line about how one of them looks like he's been working out.

[@perytonpred2356]

oh my god my grandpa speaks just like this about politics. it is hitting hard. "If you dint agree with me youre closed minded"

[@rationalityrules]

As a vegetarian who used to eat four chicken breast a day in-between whey shakes, I feel personally invest in this one, haha.

[@symbungee]

I'm eating less meat now thanks to you guys. You're all really challenging me on how I can continue to justify my actions.

[@Joemamahahahaha821]

Sounds irrational

[@themeaningoflife1215]

hi early

[@Oncopoda]

You mean you're not VEGAN?! Monster! Lol.

[@williamdowling7718]

Holy shit Stephen, I can smell those protein farts from here in the future.

[@BootBizarre]

The pandemic has had them living in isolation for so long that neither one has realized they're sitting there naked. 🤣

[@NonStampCollector]

They think they're on Zoom with their cameras off.

[@newguy6491]

@@NonStampCollector thank u for starting to upload again

[@christianali5431]

The pandemic should’ve made everyone a Christian. After living in isolation for so long, you need the lord in your life.

[@christianeriksen7907]

@@christianali5431 praise be Baal

[@christianali5431]

@@christianeriksen7907 very funny. The Christian guy must be wrong because there's so many other gods in the world. Meanwhile, did you ever stop to think about why people have worship so many other god. Because they couldn't get it right the first time. God they began to worship I could only do one thing, so they had to allocate all these other jobs to all these other gods. Christianity doesn't believe in thousands of Gods because they only need one. Christianity is the worship of a singular, all sufficient god. We got it right the first time.

[@tzfsr]

tbh this is a great reminder for believers (like myself, i'm a very devoted Muslim) on how NOT to act if someone we care about decides to leave the religion. Considering that religion is literally the most important thing to believers, when someone we loves leaves it it can be crushing and often blinds people to how they're acting.

[@blurglide]

Long time no see! You and Darkmatter release videos the same week! You should see the stamps I've not collected in the past few years

[@alankent]

When i was a christian, I was calvinist in my beliefs. EVERY "christian" I encountered told me I was close minded because I believed in predestination. Now that i am a "heathen," these same kinds of "christians" tell me I am close minded because I have friends of many faiths AND I defend their right to believe and exist as they choose. I won't even get into the arguments about science.

[@MrCmon113]

Remember when the punctuated equilibrium people fought a decade long horrible war against the gradualists?

[@freealter]

@@MrCmon113 please tell me about this or at least link a Wikipedia page! This is interesting!

[@rydrakeesperanza5370]

Those Christians know that there is free will, right? Even if we believe it's wrong they still have the right to believe what they choose and it's in the first... Amendment. Also, which science arguments?

[@rydrakeesperanza5370]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt I understand the comment as following: the commenting Person is close minded because she defends their friends of different faiths. That somehow sounds as if that is somehow not christian like or something, can't explain right now. So that said, my question is some kind of rhetorical question that it is their choice (oh, and it somehow sounds like those people think they don't have the right to, but that is maybe to far to be the case here). If it is a straw man, I'm sorry I probably misinterpreted. And, what exactly is a red herring? Can't remember I've heard that term before so I can't answer that yet

[@rydrakeesperanza5370]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt oh, I just meant the ones the commenter was talking about, sorry for the confusion

[@FriskXI]

This is literally how every conversation with my father goes.

[@dinamosflams]

Must be Crazy to change your Views on Apple and vegetarianism every conversation

[@goranmilic442]

Actually, there are a lot of sides of argument. Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, over 2000 religions. So if somebody tells you you need to be open minded and give Christianity a chance, you should tell him that he needs to be open minded and give all 2000 religions a chance.

[@afinn7771]

Does he also scream at u for being a hippie?🤣

[@him1517]

This is why I’ve only ever spoken about this with my uncle (who is the same age range as me). Cause when you speak with authority and they disagree… it’s not good.

[@kbbrown8154]

Mine's just an ass who brays "fuh kew!" and hangs up on me. Or did. Until I permanently cut him out of my life and left him to his tiny unheated pull trailer on his brother's property, whining about having no friends, no wife, no job and no teeth. But he has his jeepers. He can be hashtag forgiven but I'm done with him.

[@squarity6057]

Its pretty wild that people can be like this irl because as a firm Christian my family raised me properly and to respect others beliefs no matter if they were Muslim, athiest, or whatever. Kinda strange to me how people fail to see how others can be separate beings who simply are different

[@agentsmith3142]

This has happened to me as an atheist, but I have also had religious friends who this has happened to when they've talked to nonreligious people about their beliefs after they had converted. It's important to remember that closemindedness (and the hypocrisy that can come from accusing somebody of being closeminded when you yourself aren't willing to listen to their point of view) isn't peculiar to any particular belief system, so regardless of what ideas you have, you should always try to confront your own biases as much as possible.

[@late8641]

That is a fair point, although such hypocrisy is definitely more prevalent amongst religious people.

[@agentsmith3142]

@@late8641 What makes you say that?

[@late8641]

@@agentsmith3142 Well, let me reemphasize: Yes, atheists can be hypocritical as well, but to my experience - although not being an unbiased observer - Christians tend to accuse the other side of things they are guilty of themselves way more frequently, or at least their hypocrisy is more blatant. There are very few things that come to mind when trying to think of some typical things some atheists are hypocritical of.

[@miksceihners50]

I have just realised that there are in fact open-minded Christians. They just don't remain Christian for too long

[@bobhope4288]

There are open minded Christians and there are old Christians, but there are no old open minded Christians.

[@cobalius]

Well i have a good christian friend. He's the typical social animal and open-minded to whatever i think

[@MadNotAngry]

"Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people" - Dr. Gregory House, S4, E2, The Right Stuff

[@jymbo1969]

Pithy, but untrue.

[@theunclejesusshow8260]

@@jymbo1969 Exactly 💯

[@tgcvision]

Laughed at the "not one argument, not even one!" Part again. Great voice acting.

[@JasonHenderson]

Transitional fossils! Not even one

[@dillandvito5371]

Its ironic how christians talk about how atheists are closed-minded and wont consider other beliefs when a lot of time atheists used to be Christian and then challenged those beliefs, which a lot of religious people dont dare do.

[@jonathancarozza992]

Yeah, but what is the actual atheist argument 🤔🤔

[@aranaran1189]

I'm glad to see that you're posting videos again. I'm a fan of your work, and I've watched many of your videos (some of them more than once) over the years. They are always amusing.

[@HassanRadwan133]

Sincere disbelief poses a serious problem for the theology of Christianity & Islam. Which is why disbelievers have to be accused of insincerity, arrogance and willful close-mindedness - well, unless you are lucky enough to be accused of mental illness. (Great to see you posting mate. You made such a difference to me back in the day.)

[@hermionegranger8629]

@@thotslayer9914 As far as I know, Hassan Radwan is an agnostic. I particularly appreciated a statement in one of his videos, saying something like "Some believers say that skeptics insult God. But the way the Abrahamic religions describe God's wrath and vengefulness, isn't *that* is an insult to a true and righteous God?..."

[@fomori2]

@@hermionegranger8629 "But the way the Abrahamic religions describe God's wrath and vengefulness, isn't that is an insult to a true and righteous God?..."-- Righteous just means 'morally just', it doesnt mean perfect, nice, or any other positive trait for that matter. If you think killing people is morally just then you are righteously evil. If you think that helping everyone is morally just then you are righteously benevolent. Depending on your view of what is "morally just" wrath and vengeance are completely compatible with righteousness. Since every believer has their own personal view of morality, it could be an insult to someone, neutral to second person, and a complement to a third. Secondly, gnosticism has to do knowledge, where theism has to do with belief. You can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist, meaning you believe/dont believe in god but dont know. Almost all atheists are 'agnostic atheists', whereas as few of them do claim to know there is no god (gnostic atheist), but the burden of proof is then on them. If he calls himself 'agnostic' he is simply saying 'he doesnt know' but isnt saying anything about what he believes. What you believe is more important since 'not knowing' something is the DEFAULT position, and 'agnostic' is conversationally useless on its own.

[@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG]

Because when you look carefully, atheists don't want there to be a God. They won''t admit it.

[@Andy-gg4xw]

I agree with this. It's like they are speaking for another group; how they are and they simply must be misrepresenting themselves if they seem different from what they know them to be. Why would you have more authority about how atheists actually are, when the atheists know more about themselves, than some theists who are outsiders? They are undermining the identity of atheists by having possible misconceptions about them. Not very nice.

[@daemon2426]

I was a believer for a long time, just before losing my faith I was strongly considering going to seminary for the Anglican church. I fell down the atheist rabbit hole when I started watching people dunk on creationists, even I knew that they were looney. The longer I listened the more I realised what they were saying still applied to my faith. Each unfounded belief slowly fell away. Questions that never had satisfying answers now did. Why doesn't God answer my prayers? Why does God let us suffer if He can stop it and loves us? What could I possibly do or have done to deserve my health problems? And so on, and so on.

[@daemon2426]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt How should I judge God then? How could I ever know the appropriate conception of God without him communicating with me or trying to use other people's understanding of him?

[@daemon2426]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt I was born with a genetic disorder that has caused me many, many health issues. What could I have done before I was born to deserve the suffering and illness this would cause? If you think it is Original Sin, why do you think I deserved to be punished before I was born for a sin I didn't commit? Why is the sin of atheism worthy of eternal hellfire when no other sin, including murder, would damn a person so? I'm sorry if I come across as rude, it can be difficult to manage tone in text. I am legitimately curious to know your answers. I don't expect you to agree with my lack of belief or even want you to, but I am always eager to understand how other people think and believe.

[@OppirompaMiDotCom]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt I'm sorry to butt in here, but I would appreciate if you could explain Ethos, Logos, and Pathos to me.

[@OppirompaMiDotCom]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt you come across as an intelligent, honest and open minded man, and I share your struggle with perfectionism (sometimes it really does seem like ignorance is bliss, right?) The only criticism I have of your post is that you should try to get some paragraphs in there. I'm an old man and it's getting harder and harder to read a wall of text. What I initially wanted to say was that I think you could benefit from understanding Aristotle's rules of rhetoric, and apply them to arguments with which you agree, as well as disagree.

[@OppirompaMiDotCom]

@@TheClimbingBronyOldColt 1: Was it The Mad Duke quest in Revendreth? 2: I'm sorry, I didn't understand you logical statement. Could you please give an example? 3: Keep reading! If you appreciate language and etymology, Shakespeare can be interesting in that regard, but otherwise the read can be a bit of a chore. Lovecraft is just great, though. Complex and interesting storytelling that endures and inspires to this day!

[@capncook2006]

Man the nostalgia of being a little athiest watching your old videos is all rushing back. Keep up the good work.

[@agb7495]

Man. The quality content you always bring bless me more than a year of church. Thanks.

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

Your uploads are like the second coming of Christ: no one knows the time or the day. I'm glad KZbin notified though!

[@NonStampCollector]

Unlike Jesus, I announce them on Twitter!

[@FriedrichHerschel]

@@NonStampCollector And unlike Jesus, your coffee break doesn't last 2000 years.

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

@@NonStampCollector goddamit. I didn't know you had a Twitter. I might as well look up Jesus' Twitter while I'm there.

[@whoasked376]

@@NonStampCollector and unlike Jesus you actually exist

[@whoasked376]

@HiIamFin Oh wow "get back in line" yes of course silence the nonbelievers. Also might I add the original Bible at many points hints to the earth being flat. Which it isn't. Not only that but Noah fit 7 of each species of animals (And before you say he it was only 2. That's not true in the original it said 7 not 2)

[@paulwilliamson6660]

Hello, fellow rational humans. Peace on earth and goodwill towards all.

[@EustaBAracer]

Hello, fellow human type lifeform. How is breathing and eating through the same orifice today?

[@paulwilliamson6660]

@@EustaBAracer tolerable

[@machomanalexyt5736]

i didnt know mark zuckerberg could clone himself

[@onedaya_martian1238]

And peace, prosperity plus happiness to you bro.

[@LeventeCzelnai]

@@onedaya_martian1238 but why do u prefer peace, prosperity and happiness? u are quite irrational to believe in such silly thing.

[@danytalksmusic]

I'm impressed! The background pictures, edited logo, and the outtro music all look like a step up in quality! You just have tripled the production budget for this one!

[@LilGreasyAndEm]

Saying Athiest are close minded is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. This is what happens when you’ve been indoctrinated for so long.

[@stormthrush37]

"Obviously you've been working out!" _Is a stick figure that looks just like the other stick figure_

[@stylis666]

Which you can see because they're both NAKED :p

[@greatfood9357]

@@stylis666 Are you sexually attracted to them?

[@Oswlek]

@@greatfood9357 Who isn't?

[@greatfood9357]

@@Oswlek I'm guessing someone who doesn't have a micro-penis sooo small, that they have to stick it inside a cartoon stick figure in order to feel loved...

[@Oswlek]

@@greatfood9357 Really? That's news to me.

[@FiniteAtticus]

I’m loving how many uploads there have been this year!

[@NonStampCollector]

"Two" is also a favorite number of mine.

[@FiniteAtticus]

@@NonStampCollector 😉

[@awesomethegreatamazing2651]

@@NonStampCollector good to hear

[@Aphex217Twin]

@@NonStampCollector It's like we've had multiple Christmas Morning's in less then 6 months!!!

[@ishkanark6725]

6:31 It's the thumbnail moment

[@schneedledingus]

I know I'm incredibly late to this and this comment will be lost in the sea of other incredibly similar comments but this video really helped me. My parents (my mother especially) had always made me go to church. I started telling my parents that I didn't believe in god, and they started talking about how "everyone has their doubts, you'll come to see it eventually" and I needed to keep an open mind. I pointed out how hypocritical it was of them to continuously push their religion on me and never respect my personal beliefs. It took me running away from home once before they decided it was causing too much discourse. It always lingered in my mind if I was being selfish and if I really was "closeminded" but seeing this video and everyone else comment their stories showed me that I was not alone.

[@kirayoshikage1491]

I see you! Stay strong

[@NonStampCollector]

Wow, it's a heavy story. I kind of make light of the frustration here in this video but I can see that it really hits hard for some like yourself. Running away? Wow. Above all, stay safe.

[@duckified.]

damn, last time i called out my dad for being a hypocrite, he had a meltdown. hope all goes well for you

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Don't believe in God? Let's pray! 😁 The overall narrative in this was brilliant

[@xaenon]

... and very accurate. That is literally how they think.

[@cobalius]

Yeah always an emergency bible in the sleaves i guess

[@MrYondaime1995]

This is literally what my mom said to me when I came out. "You need to pray for god to restore your belief in him, why don't you even try??"

[@MouldMadeMind]

@@MrYondaime1995 why doesn't he try?

[@imperialloyalist4799]

And when the world needed him most..

[@NonStampCollector]

...he made one video and fucked off again.

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@NonStampCollector It’s fine, animating those stick figures must take months.😂

[@goranmilic442]

Actually, there are a lot of sides of argument. Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, over 2000 religions. So if somebody tells you you need to be open minded and give Christianity a chance, you should tell him that he needs to be open minded and give all 2000 religions a chance.

[@hijislay3618]

This

[@onebelle]

Hey NonStampCollector, I found your videos a few weeks ago and I’m just dropping by to say I love your short videos, which are very entertaining and straight to the point :)!!

[@marcuscreasy6195]

Wow! NSC you have outdone yourself! I’m just curious how you got ahold of a direct transcript of 90% of my conversations lol! This is brilliant!

[@erwinchew3725]

Recently deconverted, I can relate to this so much

[@nathanjasper512]

Pfft so close minded.

[@atheistechoes9594]

Same

[@PutsOnSneakers]

@Rain Dog LANA RHOADES First BBC kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHrJo2eIjraja68

[@PutsOnSneakers]

For those who clicked the link. say it with me.... THANK GOD!

[@thestruggler7926]

I deconverted too 2 months ago. Unfortunately, if I come out as atheist I'll have a shit ton of problems as it would be very inconvenient for me to do so right now. Once I'm independent and live on my own I'd be free from all this religious crap hopefully.

[@phillipscipho595]

I'm just discovering your channel and all I can say is....this....is...sooo....great! I listen to these while driving and cleaning up around the house! So funny and so spot on! Thank you!

[@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820]

So glad you are putting out new content, I love this channel, it’s my favorite atheist related channel. Your videos are always so funny yet so frustratingly relatable at the same time. I tried telling my religiously conservative family once that I didn’t believe in god and I got the “you’re just confused / searching for an answer” line. Some of your jokes and satire sound exactly like things pastors say with dead seriousness in church. This one here in particular hits home considering my previous attempts to talk about my true feelings about religion with people.

[@NonStampCollector]

Well, the script was written largely by commenters on my videos. I copy pasted a bunch of them onto a document and built the second half of the script around that. And only did that because I noticed how often I was getting those comments (You're unwilling to look at the other side, you are coming at it with a bias, etc)

[@ApexHerbivore]

This hit hard. Speaking as a closed-minded, calisthenics-practicing, short-haired, vegan, macbook-owning atheist.

[@Bucko99]

Macbook?? Disgusting.

[@stingywingy1607]

The moment that phone has any technical problems Apple is going to force him to buy a new one and refuse to fix it

[@officialspock]

You're just missing a Tesla then you're a complete hippie

[@ApexHerbivore]

@@officialspock lol I've got a VW campervan so....

[@ApexHerbivore]

@@stingywingy1607 I don't have an iPhone. Android all the way, I'm not stupid ;)

[@brianedwards7142]

My Mum once told me to try and be LESS intelligent because that would make it easier for me to be a believer.

[@Gandhi_Physique]

Bruh, are you trolling?

[@brianedwards7142]

@@Gandhi_Physique I wish. Totally happened.

[@Gandhi_Physique]

@@brianedwards7142 yeah I actually believe you.. So disappointing lol

[@denisgen86]

dont hurt yourselves patting each other's backs, liars. lol

[@kanonymous3633]

Happened to me too! I was essentially told to turn off my critical thinking (for religion)

[@christianmcbrearty]

I've always been a devout athiest. I've always found it really weird that religious people are so firm set in their beliefs that if you try to get them to consider another point of view they either close down completely or get defensive. I've studied the history of Jesus and the Bible as well as many other today considered to be “Holy” events and people, as well as other religions and their texts too. I find it interesting, but there are always WAAAYY too many contradictory statements in these texts that just delegitimises them in my eyes. I also find it interesting that almost everybody who is religious comes from a religious family with religious parents. Most people who grew up alone are NOT religious, because they have been forced to come up with their own conclusions. It's actually a well documented social phenomenon, which also applies to politics, morality and worldview. You generally will vote for the same party your parents do. It's natural, but doesn't mean it's right. Ultimately, if you study all religions like I did, you'll see so many similarities in each of the Holy texts. The core of every religion is the same; be a good person and good things will come to you. Care more about others than yourself. Be loyal and kind and strong. But the words of these texts have often been rewritten thousands of times, and as I said to another commenter, its like a game of Chinese whispers. The content will change DRAMATICALLY from what it was originally, as people rewrite the texts to suit their personal beliefs and opinions to justify their lifestyles. Religion is so interesting to me because it always comes across as being very cult-like, but nobody ever wants to accept that they might have been brainwashed and are in a cult of ANY kind. They often will use the majority argument as a defence for believing what they do, instead of thinking independently. Those are just my observations 😅

[@Rickfernello]

Love these. I wonder if your videos helped change people's minds for the better. Change is difficult and it hurts a lot.

[@mulchie2898]

Holy shit is that Rick the Celeste player? Jkjkjk On a serious note totally agree, I'm glad this video is helping people despite how difficult change is