Does Higher Wear = More Grip? Treadwear Track Test Between Michelin, Goodyear and Toyo!

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UTQG tread wear ratings can play an important part in peoples tire purchase decision, especially for track day tires where the assumption is a lower treadwear means a grippier tire.
To test this, I buy five popular tires, with treadwear 300, 220, 180 and 100 UTQG ratings, and test them on track to see if a lower treadwear rating really does mean more grip!
The tires on test are the immensely popular:
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S UTQG 300 AA A
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 180 AA A
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 220 AA A
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R 100 AA A
Toyo R888R 100 AA A
This was tested at the fastest track in North America, Nelson Ledges in Ohio, using a Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, which was a mighty impressive car!
Information on all these tires can by found on www.tire-revie...
Any questions please do ask below!
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[@tyrereviews]

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[@trackfocussed9810]

Please, can you test the Nankang ar1 Tires? These are used very often here in Germany at the Nordschleife. Habe a great Day😋

[@konholio2]

Please, include the NS-2r as well. When doing tests on track focused tyres, can you provide info on the tyre overheating?

[@_xtreme.]

@@konholio2 ns2r have 3 different compounds. Street 180. track120 and race [80or 100].Street is nost popular and available in shops

[@biglightball]

What's the point in testing tyres with different speed rating and or different load index? That test is useless. Also because you don't give the info, it can only be seen in close up photos. One tyre, the same model, year, factory, size but with different speed rating and load index, will behave differently. I'm sure you know that.

[@tyrereviews]

@@biglightballI'm not sure of your point, these are the speed and load ratings sold in these tyres.

[@KyleRepinski]

I love how you're not afraid to rip on the R888R on an online review. 👍

[@DataC0llect0r]

Why would anyone be afraid?

[@tyrereviews]

The fanbois of the tyre will be mad

[@davidyentebsin2825]

They never gripped enough for me.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

@@tyrereviews I honestly think people obsess over them just because of the tire design...they're attractive tires and very unique. I still find it hilarious when I see someone using them on a street civic 😂

[@mdh00000]

@@Jon-nz3dm and on track they have very small numbers of heat cycles so it is still look like new and perform like plastic wheel ... It is tire for show no go but it is good that they exist you automatically know that owner of that car is not performance driver ;)

[@Jr_5646]

I think the internet loves the R888r more so for roll racing then its track performance. For whatever reason, it seems to be able to hook big HP cars nearly as well as a drag radial from a roll, but still have the sidewall stiffness to be stable at speed, handle half decent, and have more tread life then a drag radial on the street.

[@momostallion]

this is it exactly. no one who knows will willing run an 888 on track. they should have tested the nitto nt01 in this test instead of an r888r as that is an excellent dry weather track tire.

[@giwrgosamanatidis2148]

i am looking for a tyre that is able to handle 700Hp on roll races (FWD) , i wonder which one is better Sport cup 2 or R888R?

[@nerz3d371]

@@giwrgosamanatidis2148 r888r for sure but at 700hp fwd you're gonna have a challenge not spinning

[@highoctanegames]

@JR5646 I really agree with what you're saying I'd say it's a good overall tire, like it seems to do a little bit of everything and i like it. Good for rolling races, decent in corners and has more durability than a drag radial

[@jacobhauenstein]

Would it then be acceptable to put R888R’s onto the rear of a car with Rt660 (200tw) in the front? Can’t hook under 65.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

I adore your reviews. arrange everything, the level of consistency, chat while driving. Then review. Superb. You should be proud of what you can do. My purchases really are based on this channel

[@tyrereviews]

Thanks a ton!

[@JoeAchilles1]

Another mega video mate, could watch your stuff all day... The Supercar 3 sounds spot on, shame we can't get them in the UK 😂👌🏁

[@cosminmihu9963]

Ah, so they're North American only? I was a bit confused as to where they fit in compared to the SuperSport and SuperSportRS.

[@tyrereviews]

I think SC3 like SSR, tbc

[@alessandrofilippini6598]

So the Super Car 3 are in a higher range than for example bridgestone potenza sport?

[@gstevie97]

@@alessandrofilippini6598 Yes. Supercar 3 is an Extreme Performance Summer. Potenza Sport is a Max Performance Summer. Extreme Performance has more dry grip but gives up some wet grip, NVH, and wear longevity to get it. The Max Performance category is the most well rounded street tire. Extreme Performance are typically used for autocross events or as track tires that can still be used on the road.

[@James_765]

I'm actually happy about your comments on the r888r. All the bros love them for no reason. I'm especially happy about the 3r as I just ordered a set!

[@tyrereviews]

Let me know how you find the 3R :D

[@wd8005]

R888R are popular with high horsepower cars (over 600hp) specially supra, twin turbo lambo/vipers & most of them have 1000HP minimum. R888R are also much stable at high speeds compared to Drag Radials & R888R can take a corner decently vs DR just forget about corners lol.

[@ttiization]

@@wd8005 But there are better options on the market

[@utoobia]

@@wd8005 ....They also need heat more than the others. Like north of 190° heat to really grip. Not sure he got them there.

[@woah_astro3867]

@@ttiization i know this is an old comment but they hook like a drag radial for digs and rolls and have much more high speed stability and cornering ability than a drag radial so that's their main use

[@dreww3864]

Thanks for a great video. You are the first one with the balls to say the almighty 4S is numb and vague. I put the 4s on my 997.2 carrera and hated them so immediately removed them to reinstall my N1 Potenza setup. The

[@tyrereviews]

I've been telling Michelin this for years now, I hope they've listened for the next version :)

[@supaahflyy]

What are the N1 potenza's? I got a M4 running pilot super sports which are in need of changing very soon and I'm trying to go a different direction away from Michelin. To one of the less 'hyped' brands

[@isserdigan2835]

@@supaahflyy I prefer Cup 2 for the track. Coz it never overheated for me

[@superbecx]

@@supaahflyy i changed from ps4 to gy f1ss , better tyre for 40%less money... all because this channel , otherwise i was a toyo fanboy for years(but street tires not semislicks)

[@supaahflyy]

@@superbecx nice to hear. I was actually eyeing up the Goodyear eagle F1 asymmetric 5's as the next tyre I'd use. Seems to be 85-90% of a Michelin PS4S at considerably less cost. I haven't been able to find a store here in Australia that stocks the F1 Supersports for the tyre sizes for the M4 unfortunately

[@vincentcalicchia1987]

I had a 2018 and 2020 Camaro SS 1LE and sold them to move back to Europe in 2022. Man, do I miss the cars and those sweet GY F1 SC3 tires. I tried Michelin PS4S for road driving and I took them back after 1 week, to replace them with the Goodyear. What a car and tire package! Best sports car under $45k, hands down!

[@TrinomCZ]

One of the reasons, why R888R are so popular is their availability in smaller sizes. There is maybe one other semi-slick available in 14 - 16" size, which is Nankang AR-1. Nobody else makes small size performance tires.

[@whodat9198]

you nailed it

[@SaturdayWinter]

I was going to say because it looks boxy and super meaty thus all the highend widebody builds use the tire for looks. Performance wise it lacks

[@OKMX5]

Nankang AR-1 is way better though. I ran them both in the same size, on the same car, on the same track.

[@sigmamale4147]

@@SaturdayWinter there are tests on youtube, the r888r isnt lacking in performance

[@aidelibrahim6379]

Betol

[@TheMitch883]

The gold standard on tyre reviews, great review again, thanks. I may have missed it though, but would be interesting to see the 3R vs. the Cup 2R

[@tyrereviews]

It would be :)

[@stewartgrindlay9760]

The effort and resource that you put into the channel and videos is unmatched. Take credit in it big time.

[@tyrereviews]

Thank you :D

[@kimnewton8530]

Not sure you actually answered the question but looking back at the result table, the tyres became progressively quicker as the tread wear rate increased. The odd one out was the Toyo which is simply not such a good tyre but still slightly 'grippier' than the Sport 4S. So in conclusion, in most cases yes, Higher Wear does = More Grip.

[@ConquerDriving]

Awesome! I've been wanting to see a good tread wear comparison. Thanks for the videos.

[@steve5x565]

It wasn’t a tread wear comparison though?...

[@steve5x565]

Maybe watch and listen before posting nonsense

[@memestream8929]

@@steve5x565 so unnecessarily rude lol

[@rootsmanuva82]

I can't think of a cooler and more appropriate car for this test than a Camaro Z/28 and SS 1LE😎

[@tyrereviews]

I really enjoyed it!

[@po.russki]

ZL1? Lol

[@utoobia]

A Shelby 350R perhaps.

[@artagain8977]

The SS 1LE is one of the best cars for this test.

[@-DC-]

The Gold Standard of Tyre Reviewers.

[@tyrereviews]

Thank you :D

[@jhernandez2199]

"Tire"

[@julescg]

Mate, I haven't visited your channel for about a year or so, but I once again note that you are just about the best, most professional, most thorough, most watchable of any reviewer of anything on the internet. Hats off!

[@tyrereviews]

Thank you!

[@Charlemagne89]

Just slapped some SC3's on my C5 Corvette FRC and did a two-day DE at Mid-Ohio. These Goodyears rule. Nobody is talking about them and for sure they are a good intermediate/advanced-skill track tire. If you want to just show up, rip it up at the track, and then drive home, SC3's and/or 3R's are what you want. Haven't driven the SC3's in the wet yet but hopefully I won't need to. They wear great, communicate on the track, and the grip is way better than what I've used before. Definitely hit up TireRack and see if they make them in your car sizes. These tires really need more press than what they're getting, seriously underrated track rubber.

[@Charlemagne89]

Just did another DE this past weekend on the SC3's at VIR. The Song Remains The Same. My instructor had a GT3RS on Hoosier slicks and said "Damn, this car has grip for days!". Honestly these are just amazing tires and if you can get them and enjoy doing HPDE's you really owe it to yourself to try them!

[@marcvalme7732]

I commented a few years back, about North American tires. You answered my question the best you could but responded to that It's a little tough for you to break into the US market. I am glad you did, welcome to Murika! P.S. sad though, soon you will not be able to respond to comments anymore.

[@tyrereviews]

Why no replying?! Hopefully not another new rule

[@marcvalme7732]

@@tyrereviews what I meant was as the channel grows, it will become impractical. And this channel is destined for greatness

[@sniety13]

Wow, actually tasting the R888Rs? You're really taking tire knowledge to the next level! 😉

[@tyrereviews]

They taste like sadness :(

[@James-RJM]

@@tyrereviews Add a little garlic. Might go well with the oils 😀

[@superbecx]

Damn, hoped they tasted like sushi...

[@_xtreme.]

toyo r campound was super in 2010 when there is no competition

[@andyowens5494]

@@superbecx More like overcooked squid - rubbery.

[@PiroFyre]

The R888R were great a couple years ago but now, there are much better choices out there. Now it's just what I would call a scene tire. You're most likely going to see a tire like this at car shows rather than the track nowadays. It's right up there with the Firehawk Indy 500 or the Bridgestone RE003 in other countries. The scene is just obsessed with these tires.

[@tyrereviews]

That's a great idea for a test - a scene specific test, with one actual good tyre :)

[@atomickoala62]

I have to ask, what exactly do you think is wrong with the RE003? In my experience it has slightly worse wet grip, comfort and road noiss than a PS4s, but it has better feedback and identical if not better dry grip and it's available in many more sizes for usually less than half the price

[@PiroFyre]

@@atomickoala62 It's an old tire at this point that there WERE better tires to be had for a similar price point. One of them being the Yokohama Apex V601. In fact, pre-covid and during, the V601s were even cheaper. The RE003 is so old that the successor, the RE004s, are out. At the time of writing, there were tires in the same price bracket, and even less, that were better options than the RE003. But since we're in a post-covid world now, they are now a "not too bad" tire to buy as the other better tires have gone up in price. Although I'd still buy the Apex V601 over the RE003 but that's just my preference in tires.

[@spookyreaper1702]

R888Rs hook in a straight line. That’s why people love it

[@stephenpage-murray7226]

Goodyear continuing to show what they’re capable of across the board. Very impressive..

[@FL50ssp]

Nice test and thank you for doing this. For best track performance Goodyear recommended f/r cold pressures for Supercar 3R = 26 psi/26 psi with target hot pressures f and r of 32-35 psi. Supercar 3 cold pressures f/r = 28 psi/28 psi with target hot pressures of 35 - 37 psi front and 37 - 39 psi rear. By the way, and apologies if this has already been mentioned. The "zed zed" 1LE is actually an SS 1LE with a naturally aspirated 6.2L engine rated at 455HP/455TQ. And not the higher performance supercharged ZL1 1LE which is rated at 650HP/650TQ. Many differences between SS 1LE and ZL1 1LE. Finally, the Supercar 3 is the OEM tire developed with Goodyear for the SS 1LE. Whereas the Supercar 3R is the OEM ZL1 1LE tire.

[@ALMX5DP]

Regarding the 888R, I think it used to be held in higher regard due to being an old carcass that goes back something like a decade or more. It and the NT01 were pretty good wearing track tires, and while I think ultimate feel, grip and laptime have drastically dropped since those tires debuted, they can still be a viable option due to their longevity. Hankook RS4 strikes me as one of the street tires that takes that philosophy in the current era.

[@tyrereviews]

I'll have to add that to the list of things to test!

[@Yachtzeee]

I love the RS4! With my terrible skills. They have been wonderful. They take a beating and wear really well on lapping. The only downside. Not very good in the rain.

[@LXGspec]

Awesome video Jonathan, very interesting results, also curious about the wet performance!

[@tyrereviews]

Me too :)

[@gery4870]

Every video you post, the better is getting !!! Superb video man, you are the best ! Keep it up ! Greetings from Barcelona !!

[@tyrereviews]

Glad you like them!

[@grocerylist]

I'd always heard that one tire manufacturer's treadwear rating isn't necessarily equal to another tire manufacturer's treadwear rating. Basically that there are no official standards for treadwear ratings. I'll be looking forward to your road test for the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3! I'm in Seattle and I've currently got PS4S but am curious how the Eagle F1S3 performs in the wet.

[@CamaroThings]

Perfect explanation and yes I know the Goodyear was built for the Camaro but an explanation as to why it is built for this car was what I needed. Thumbs up and subcribeded!!!

[@adamwright9767]

Yet another great test and video!!! I say this with 100% admiration that you Jonathan have the best job in the world, travel, fast cars, data analysis and engineering detail critique with media and technology at your fingers tips, the stuff of dreams. That said the more I see of your content and have read over the past couple of years and with some personal experience, I have to say I really believe in Goodyear products now and going forward, the performance they offer in all tests and conditions at their price point they are the almost certainly impossible to beat at the moment. Michelin should be worried, they have genuine competition and its strong in all areas.

[@tyrereviews]

Goodyear have certainly stepped up, but has have Conti, as are Pirelli and Bridgestone! Lets see what Michelin bring with the next generation though,never count them out :)

[@thomascarpenter8445]

I totally agree, we have an SS 1LE and the supercar 3’s are amazing. We’ve had decent tread life as well.

[@Adamn58]

I run the 3Rs on my GT at autocrosses and run the 3s on the same car as my road tires. They are both phenominal

[@donaldjames4340]

Only 13k on mine

[@person2186]

The channel needs so much subscribers. Just so much good stuff given in understandable way (delivered in understandable way).

[@tyrereviews]

Wow, thank you!

[@bogdan12275]

I would love you to test these tyres on a FWD car too! 😊

[@tyrereviews]

Maybe one day!

[@miger12]

Yes. So much agree!!

[@yipchitaywonga]

Was about to post this request as well !!

[@marcink1755]

But why, when it comes to track driving FWD is wrong wheel drive. He managed to get understeer already. With a FWD review it would be 27 flavors of understeer. P.S. I found understeer on Cup 2s surprising, as I hardly ever get it on my M2. But not so many tight corners on Nordschleife, so maybe that's the difference.

[@dsmproject95]

@@marcink1755 wouldn't it make more sense to test on FWD then? The front wheels have to do everything on a FWD, therefore there's more stress on the front tires. What better way to test the limits of a tire?

[@kevinr6236]

R888R have all of looks. Meaty side wall with deep treads.

[@ealoken]

I want to see a test with the Nankang Ar1, Direzza zz02 and Yokohama a048r.

[@artagain8977]

So glad my SS 1LE came stock with the Goodyears.

[@JROC734]

Great review. I have a 19 SS 1LE and the SC3's are great. They aren't the best daily tire though even though you can daily with them, you just have to drive very conservatively with them in rain and cold weather. I just bought some Michelin PSS tires (haven't installed them yet) to try and get better life and a better rain/cold weather tire than the SC3 as I DD my car in the southeastern United States. I've got about 12,200K on my SC3's right now, and they are very worn especially in the rear. They still grip pretty well, but one thing the GEN6 Camaros do well is they don't have a tramlining issue even with large, sticky tires, but went the SC3's start to get pretty worn they will start to tramline some. Hopefully I won't regret going from the SC3's to the PSS's. I thought maybe a Pilot Super Sport on a Camaro Super Sport seemed like a good idea.... Maybe?

[@tyrereviews]

Good info, if you get some time it would be awesome if you could leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)

[@benvogelsang5662]

I’ve got supercar 3s on my mustang and I love them and have no complaints, even with main road driving they are comfortable and the road noise isn’t too bad.

[@pstoppani]

Excellent review. I'm surprised you didn't have issues with the 4S loosing grip after about 15 minutes. For me, that's the main reason to get a more track focused tire; consistency.

[@tyrereviews]

We didn't run for that long, but yeah they usually do 3 laps max

[@thomaswells9622]

I couldn't agree more with you on the R888R. I had them fitted to my mk1 Focus Rs running 380bhp. They kind of put the power down well but the road noise lead to me only doing 300 miles with them and I replaced them with the Cup 2's just last week. Once they're warm they're such a good tyre! I'd like to say you're channel and content has lead me to buy some really good tyres for my mk3 Focus Rs. I had Continental TS860s fitted for the winter and what a tyre. I've just took them off and put Goodyear Super Sports on for the summer and another excellent choice. Keep up the great work!

[@tyrereviews]

Good info on a number of tyres, if you get some time it would be awesome if you could leave some reviews on www.tyrereviews.com :)

[@mathieuh1000]

100% agree with you about R888R

[@zolwiq007]

Some tires can be more or less suitable for car's suspension geometry, mass and so on. That's why some producers have the same model with homologation for different car brands, because tires were co-developed with the car.

[@Battle_Garage]

I feel you on the r888r, I recently ran a set on my R32 skyline gtst at the track and it was a little hairy. It did dive in with confidence but then I would get a slight over steer on braking and then on throttle it would sometimes twitch to over steer requiring a quick correction. I would try other 100s before i came back to them

[@lorentzarmstrong3008]

I’m so pleased you did this review, especially since you drove the SS 1LE for the test...same car I own. The Goodyear SC3’s are the OE tires for both the SS 1LE and ZL1, while the SC3R’s are for the ZL1 1LE’s. While your test showed a slight time disadvantage of the SC3 to the PS2’s, they’re a hell of a lot cheaper and last longer. Thus, they are the best bargain for street/track use, like an SS 1LE, and I continue to stick with them. If I get the itch to spend more money, I may give the SC3R’s a try now that they are available for the OE 20” wheels.

[@tyrereviews]

Good info, if you get some time it would be awesome if you could leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)

[@justjoshin664]

Hope that while you were in America you got a chance to try the 200tw category (Bridgestone RE71R, BFG Rivals, Yokohama A052, and the such)

[@tyrereviews]

Not yet :(

[@JessieAMorris]

@@tyrereviews I'd love a 200TW category review. It's huge for autocross and the RE71R is the reining champion but I'd love to see another set of eyes.

[@chrisnolke]

@@JessieAMorris Try the A052 (if you can get them) :)

[@ranran2806]

There’s been resounding agreement that the A052 is better but the RE71R feels better. You should try them yourself though. Looking forward to the new RE71RS coming to the US

[@Cecilsays]

Thanks! I have a cayman GTS. I’ve always had a “ sporty” daily car ( GTI or Golf R ) and a beater sports car ( alfas , boxster) but this GTS is a different animal. Blah blah. Point is tyres matter and it’s not cheap to play so this video , clear , direct and consistent really speaks to me.

[@lambrosstamos4494]

Put the Supercar 3 and 3R against the latest and best from Yokohama Advan and Bridgestone 052s and RE 71 RS.

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

I've used those and the new Falken rt660. I was actually fastest on the new falken. At the last event I was at lots of people talking about the new Falken. It's tight between the ao52. I'd probably say a052 overall grip and maybe .5 second over 2 minute course. I noticed the rt660 was slightly better over all though. I'm genuinely surprised and I think we'll all be talking about the new Falken in 6 months

[@Jonasz314]

@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast NT01 would be another solid contender. I'm not saying it's faster for sure, but at the price, it's a total bargain. It's about 2s slower than a proper race tires at local tracks in NorCal. NT01 is quite noisy when driven on the road though, and it screams like a road tire when you push it at the limit.

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

@@Jonasz314 I love the nt01 but I can't use it cause the treadwear rating isn't 200 for the classes I race in. Totally agree though for track days probably one of the best tire per dollar available. The nt05 is but 200 that's a shit tire.

[@Jonasz314]

@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast Of course, some race classes have restriction and you use what you can. NT05 is really bad, I know.

[@chrisnolke]

@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast FOr 200TW Time Attack/AutoX, it seems the A052 (if you can get them) are slightly better cold and VERY hot compared the the 660, and roughly similar warm. The problem I've had with A052 is availability.

[@LowFlyinOK]

Having the chance to spend weekends at different tracks both driving and instructing, I agree whole heartedly with your evaluations of the 4S, SC3, and PSC2. Haven't had a chance to drive the SC3R, yet. Love the SC3, though. I've driven it on Ferrari 488GTBs, Porsche GT3RS, Shelby GT500, and Dodge Charger Hellcat WB

[@tyrereviews]

Get on the 3R ASAP, it's epic!

[@scottieray]

The R888R only works if stretched on the rim with 15 degrees of negative camber...at all 4 corners.

[@davideslampe3062]

Finally ran Supercar 3R on my C7 Corvette Grand Sport, they're amazing. Started slow as they need some heat in them then within 3 laps up to full grip. Fantastic lateral grip, about 1.3 G max consistently, and 1.4 G of braking. I'd compare them to Hoosier R7, the grip is that good. They are just awesome! Thanks for your review pointing me to them.

[@StirlingMossDrives]

Love that you are driving my car. This video was made for 1le owners.

[@tyrereviews]

Thank you Sir Moss

[@almillin3207]

The tread pattern on the ToyoR888R is not conducive for corner grip hence why it's inferior however its longitudinal grip is apparently excellent according to drag racers...

[@calspeed1]

Running the Goodyear SC3 and its like magic on the track. Porsche 997 Turbo. **UPDATE** I ran my first set of Toyo R888 on a track Miata. Amazing tire for 3 laps at Sonoma Raceway. But then it felt as if it lost its stick abilities. Adjusted pressures for next session and no significant differences. I'm done with the Toyos.

[@dem_apls649]

This guy is always spot on! While we were running our McLaren 570S at one of our track days we ran into a regular at the track with his Corvette Z06 who swore the best track tire was the F1 3R. We had already used the stock Pirellis that came with the car, R888R and the SC2 tires all previously at the track. Since that time we have continued using the F1 3R tires as they are not only perform great on the track (in our opinion) but last as long or longer than the SC2 which we previously thought was the best track tire for us. And the F1 3R is less costly than the SC2 which is a bonus! The R888R tires were junk and burned up in chunks at the track. I thought we were the only ones that didn’t love them until I saw this video.

[@tyrereviews]

Awesome info :D If you get some time please put a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)

[@BiggMo]

Many of your past testing was done in front wheel drives.... it’d be interesting to test the same tires on both front and rear drives

[@boblast5582]

I had a similar experience with the R888R, the internet (well people I know in real life) blamed me for the unimpressive laptimes compared to other supposedly slower tires due to improper tire pressure.

[@tyrereviews]

They must need some weird ass pressures that no other tyres can use

[@blegi1245]

Toyo has a lavish marketing budget towards certain "influencers". Because social media personality X has r888r's(that they didn't pay for themselves) on their car it must be the greatest tyre in the world.

[@alltheboost801]

Always putting out some of the best content and tire information!

[@tyrereviews]

Glad you think so!

[@alltheboost801]

@@tyrereviews I usually buy Michelins or Continentals, but... Now I'm going to consider the Goodyear F1 Supercar 3 for my Golf R!

[@TRZ0612]

I just swapped my Cup 2's that came on my 2022 GT4 for the Supercar 3's. Talk about a transformation, WOW!!!!! The grip is equal to the Cup 2's on the street, but WOW they make the chassis soooo much more confident inspiring. The Cup 2's has A LOT of sidewall flex and makes the whole car move around A LOT, almost like you are on rubber bushings. Moving to the Supercar 3's is like going from rubber sub-frame bushings to hard mounting points, it's that transformative. Also, I only have 120 miles on them so far, so they are still in their break-in mode. They will get even sharper as the tread wears down a little after about 1K miles. I will never go back to Cup 2's

[@tyrereviews]

Glad you're liking them! Please stick a review on www.tire-reviews.com/submit.htm?match=Goodyear-Eagle-F1-SuperCar-3---Tire-Reviews-and-Tests so others can understand how great they are

[@ALMX5DP]

Generally speaking yes (at least in the performance tire category). But also the tread wear cannot be compared or used as a basis for lap time or grip between tire models or manufacturers. Basically a loose guideline more than anything.

[@MrNick-ic8rt]

In my opinion, the R888R is a tyre built and designed for small, lightweight cars. It is the track tyre available in small sizes that other manufacturers don't do anymore, like 205/50 R15 on my '91 Alfa. I am not too surprised with the result for the Toyo, but I must admit that they perform incredibly well on under 1Ton cars.

[@ZZ-ed6wp]

Love the video! To sum up the R888R coming from a c7 z06 owner that does track days and street fun -nothing grips better cold on the street than the r888R and still lets you enjoy the track. It’s not the fastest but it’s the best daily driver tire for hard use cars that want to do it all on one tire.

[@mrlt1151]

My understanding is that the Supercar 3 was literally developed for the 1le, and 3r for the ZL1 1LE. It’s a bit compromised in the wet, I should say I’ve never driven a high performance 305 before this car, so I don’t have a great frame of reference, but I’ve never felt it was unsafe on my 19 1LE. I’ve literally been waiting for this test, thanks.

[@nbm02ss]

Honestly was going to get a set of Toyo's for tracking my Focus ST, so thank you for saving me from that decision! Internet hype is misleading more often than not.

[@deanoc]

Great video. There must be a connection between US supercar, supercar 3 and supercar 3r and the EU supersport, supersport r and supersport RS. Tread wear and just the look of them indicate they are closely related.

[@ziggyfreud5357]

Excellent point - we get the GY F1 R and RS in Aussie - I've been trying to make the connection - I use the RS in summer and R in the colder wetter months - weather extremes much less in Oz than in Europe and NA.

[@tyrereviews]

I'll try and find out

[@deanoc]

@@tyrereviews the problem is they are hideously expensive and only available in a few weird sizes to suit specific cars

[@Z28Les]

This info was exactly what I needed. My Nitto NT01s, which I really liked, were done in by my last track day (2008 Corvette Z06). The NT01s have been on backorder for over a year, so I had to look at other options. Choices for my tire sizes are very limited. It had to be something that performs well/consistently on the track, not wear out crazy fast, and that I could be happy with on the street too. Based upon your findings and comments, the choice was easy. I'll have a fresh set of the Supercar 3s in a bit over a week. Thanks so much for the helpful video. Well done!

[@racerx9931]

I'm sure the Michelin and Goodyear are superior tires, but for those stuck on little 14-15" rims. The R888 is the only choice, I have 13" wheels on my CRX and the 185/60r13 R888r looks pretty good. Let me know when Goodyear makes a "supercar" tire for a 13" wheel.

[@robi4387]

We (the tyre buying public) deserve (want at least) more information about the modifications car manufacturers request. It is also worth highlighting that different versions exist as many people do not know. There are big variations in price and cheapest or most expensive may not be best.

[@tyrereviews]

I have a video coming on this subject :)

[@TheRobphobos]

Great vid! Would love to see a vid that covers track focused tyres for UK/EU too (18"+).

[@tyrereviews]

Coming soon!

[@bbbt8090]

The 4s is the best street tire with decent tread. What impress me most of the 4s is their solid dry grip even at 50-60% tread life. My last two sets last me 20k/25k miles on a 4400lb SUV

[@alkalinetaupehat]

Fantastic review as always. Thank you for putting out the high-quality content I've been trying to find for years!

[@tyrereviews]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@marcmigneault8364]

Would have loved to have seen Nankang AR-1's and/or CR-1's tested. Keep up the good work!

[@FairladyS130]

Yes, the AR-'s would be very useful because the price is great and they are widely used including being a Nurburgring budget favourite.

[@03c5z]

I like the AR1s better than the R888Rs

[@tyrereviews]

Coming soon!

[@SpeedDemonExpress]

R888R is available in sizes for my lotus elise. A lot of tire companies are only making tires in 17" and up. If they do make a smaller size, they'll make a 15" and skip 16" completely.

[@rasch19785]

In Europe, we don't pay attention to tread wear rating because each manufacturer can set thier rating as they please.. Treadwear 100 on a goodyear isn't the same as 100 on a michelin. And that's a fact.

[@future_phonk]

That's the same in the US as well.

[@Tommymazzel]

Never knew about the f1 supercar 3 tire, wish we had those in europe!

[@tyrereviews]

Me too :/

[@jkmason88]

They sadly don't come in E36 size (245/40/17). I've felt a long time that my PS4Ss wash out, and he confirmed it here. But the treadwear is so good it's hard to roll the dice on something else. This review of the Supercar 3 had me sold - but there was nothing to buy...

[@Recon13x]

On the GY SSR vid I had asked if you would get a chance to review the SC3 tires so I can compare PS4S for my ZL1, you said soon, and here we are! Great stuff looking forward to see the full review! But from what you said here, and what I like to feel when driving, it seems I'll be sticking to SC3 and maybe considering the R! I'm surprised how close the SC3 is to the Cup2.

[@robi4387]

Great review Jonathan. When will the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 be available in UK?

[@tyrereviews]

Probably never :sadcry :(

[@TheMikeguy7776]

That’s my home track! Dang idk why I think it’s so cool you tested there.

[@tyrereviews]

It's a freaking scary place lol

[@Setright]

Hard to isolate for wear rating across brands and models.

[@tyrereviews]

100% correct. Shame really!

[@videomaniac108]

Thanks Jon for another tremendously useful and informative tire comparison. I especially like your detailed subjective comparisons, as your preferences seem to closely match mine. I have the PS4S on my 370Z and it's so good to see somebody who has such a perspicuous insight into the handling characteristics of the tire elucidating it for the rest of us. Your observations and opinions have greatly informed my decision on the next tires that I'll buy for my car.

[@tyrereviews]

I used to have a 350z!

[@videomaniac108]

@@tyrereviews I remember how much I wanted one of those when they came out in the early 2000s. It was so good to see the Z car being resurrected as a proper sports car; with lower weight, more power, a stiffer chassis and drop-dead good looks.

[@Omega_TTRS]

The Goodyear Supercar 3 tires are actually the OEM tire on the SS 1LE for the 6th Gen Camaro. The R888R is popular because it hooks and books on the street with powerful cars in a straight line while not being a dedicated drag radials.

[@Fluke2SS]

The reason the internet prefers the R888R's is because they hook when going in a straight line on 900 rwhp. That stock camaro only puts out 400 rwhp SS / ZL1 550 give or take. People are using them for drag racing, not turn racing. I have the Eagle F1 SC3's and I'm not impressed, and I only have 460rwhp. I can still light the tires up in a straight line with very little effort. If you are spinning you ain't winning.

[@AB-80X]

Again a test that shows how right I am for calling the R888R out for beeing a properly bad track shoe. Nankang AR1 on the other hand? Brilliant enough to play along with the Cup 2 R.

[@tyrereviews]

I need to test that tyre!

[@SynchroM3h]

Loved reading the articles on the site and now loving the YT content. Thanks Tyre Reviews 👍

[@tyrereviews]

Glad you like them!

[@franneeh4703]

I really want to see a review by him of yokohama a052

[@tyrereviews]

Me too!

[@franneeh4703]

@@tyrereviews would like to see those new 200ish / 100ish track tires from asia like bridgestones and yokohamas compared against michelins. hopefully!

[@bradevans1661]

The internet loves the R888R because it looks cool on "the 'gram." Has the concept car look and decent performance for showing off that you once drove your car near a track.

[@muhammadaliffahmad1648]

Those tyres with threadwear: 100, 1st look i thought its already time for change/replacement

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

This is by far the best video you've ever made. Tires I actually use. And the same car I race. Although we race with the new Falken rt660, rival s 1.5, Yokohama a052, re71r

[@tyrereviews]

Sweet car! What's your fav out of those you race with?

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

@@tyrereviews new Falken is a special tire that's my favorite. Yok is about .5 a second faster over on a 2 minute course

[@505Goat]

I think the internet likes the R88r/ R888 because it can take turns like a good street tire, but will give you near nitto drag radial acceleration.

[@tyrereviews]

I need to test the traction of them!

[@505Goat]

@@tyrereviews very cool! I look forward to your results.

[@Thee_Sinner]

Title: "Does Higher Wear = More Grip?" Conclusion: "...if you are racing, forget the treadwear and figure out whats fastest from either tire tests like on Tyre Reviews..." Is that not literally the point of this video?

[@tyrereviews]

Of these 5 sets sure, but there's plenty of other options

[@brettscully6246]

Wow. I did not expect ever to see the track in my backyard in your video. Wish I could have joined you for some pointers.

[@tyrereviews]

What a place to live!

[@brettscully6246]

What was your honest opinion of that track. I usually go to mid Ohio, Nelson, and pitt race once or twice a month. Obviously we are excluding the facilities at Nelson.

[@tyrereviews]

@@brettscully6246 I loved Nelson, we had it to ourselves so the garages were fine, the owners great guys, and the lap... well I'd like it if there was a little more runoff before the walls and the trees, but it was definitely fun for a test!

[@ghezinho9049]

As always, very interesting test. I'm thinking one thing: the other tyres are specific for top-end models, so they are specifically made only in very big size, while Toyos are available in smaller sizes like 15 inches, you think it's possible that that can be one of the causes of its poor behaviour on the Camaro? I mean, a lot of people run on track with under 17-inch tyres, so maybe they work better on smaller sizer with lighter cars. Or at least, that's all that is available: for very aggressive tyres the choice is limited to brands like Nankang, Federal and similar or very small and focused ones like Zestino and Valino. Top brands like Michelin and Goodyear (maybe for good reason, who know) doesn't seem interested on this market, the new version of the classic Yokohama AD08 doesn't seem to quite be on pair with old model, so...

[@tyrereviews]

Weight certainly could be a factor, as could lack of good options in the 15" sizes

[@alameensutton3692]

Seeing this last but happy it’s a car that has power and can make more. Been looking for videos for a good set up for my Chevy ss with a built motor and all these videos are with Nissan/ and infinity needed something more realistic 🤦🏾‍♂️ thank you sir💯

[@nabushdinosaure]

Great review as usual. I 100% agree with your opinion of the Supercar 3. I own an SS 1LE like the car you tested (and a Katech C7 GrandSport), and I tried the 4S, CUP2, CUP2 ZP, R888R between those 2 cars. I'm absolutely amazed and in love with the Supercar 3. The steering feel on the SS 1LE is mega, the grip is excellent, traction excellent, great steering weight... The 4S is too soft and compromised for me. the R888R is "grainy" on roadcourse, not very precise... The CUP2 ZP (close to CUP2 R) is insane when hot, but has no durability (corded in 1500 miles on my C7) and scary when cold.... FYI my first set on Supercar 3 lasted nearly 20,000 miles on my camaro with a mix of daily driving, few AutoX events and hillclimbs... And the best is that they are cheap ! $250 for 285 and $290 for 305 in 20 inch...

[@tyrereviews]

Thanks :) That's some great information, if you get the chance feel free to leave some reviews on www.tyrereviews.com it would certainly help lots of people :)

[@veganjoy]

Damn been looking for a tire for my base C6 and they sound perfect, especially lasting that long. Do they grip well when cold/ambient? Main events here are autocross and idk how long it’d take to heat em up, just 4 runs per session

[@Marius-Gvr]

You need to make a motorcycle tyre guide as well. The internet craves for it.

[@tadasstrikauskas1205]

Nah, too little market for that.

[@tyrereviews]

I do ride, I'm just not very good. Check out @fortnine

[@mrlilmatt123]

@@tyrereviews Should team up with a rider! Perfect collab and clearly a need for it :)

[@purplehazeffc]

How much difference are the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 & 3R to the Supersport, Supersport R & Supersport RS ?? Not just in tread design, but in construction & compounds ??

[@tyrereviews]

That I don't know, I'll try and find out!

[@purplehazeffc]

@@tyrereviews That would be awesome

[@thebmwfan]

the Falken azenis fk510 in the dimensions 255/30/19 had the same handling characteristics like the Toyo. It had excellent feel but it would snap over and under steer and follow grooves on the road like crazy ,

[@JETZcorp]

Just the other day, I was doing a bit of legally questionable touge racing, and the other guy had R888Rs on his K-swapped Integra. I was in a Miata with 300tw ExtremeContact Sport 02. He was pretty easy to keep up with for the first 5 minutes, but once he got heat into the triple-8s, he started to become a problem. That experience really told me I had the right class of tire because having to drive like a madman just to get the grip started is not my idea of a good time on the street. Of course, he had those tires because it's his track car, and they're available in little old Honda sizes.

[@ramadhanisme7]

Finally a semi slick tyre review 😁

[@ravenstylea2]

Very well articulated review.

[@tyrereviews]

Thanks!

[@McMedics]

People love the R888R for drag racing. Everyone in the McLaren world agrees they aren't good for daily use, they're too loud, and they don't steer exceptionally well. BUT they all agree they're good for 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, and roll racing on the highway.

[@alfie3836]

New tyrereview video comes out.....instant view. Awesome review John.

[@tyrereviews]

Thanks 👍

[@tfunkhou88]

Agreed about the R888R…and most people I know who compete don’t like it either. I wasn’t aware that it had a big positive following 🤷‍♂️