THROUGH THE LENSES - HP Reverb G2 vs Oculus RIFT S vs Valve INDEX

[@Tyrielwood]

I see that more and more channels are starting to make my Through The Lenses Videos :) Well, we started a standard I Guess :) So: HP reverb G2, Oculus Rift S or Valve Index???? :)

[@Sweegan7]

Index

[@tomohm4237]

Nice lens shots dude. Man... You need to teach those guys at "Tested" how to do these through the lenses shots... their G2 shots were awful.

[@3DModelsToys]

Definitely Reverb G2, you can see the letters more clearly, the details are more clear.

[@internetrules8522]

im surprised u got a fer de lance since the last video where u showed elite dangerous. gj

[@AndrewCZ47]

G2 eventually (running Rift S now). Bought it mostly for DCS and Assetto Corsa, so I don't care about the controllers too much.

[@Moosha_]

the clarity of the G2 is mind blowing

[@K3Vz0]

diztiinct YEEEAAAA BOOOOOI

[@MrEntwain]

But sweet spot .....

[@michiwilswissen134]

@@MrEntwain its acualy biger than Rift s or index

[@MrEntwain]

@@michiwilswissen134 Have you seen it yourself? On screenshots seem to be less

[@michiwilswissen134]

@@MrEntwainHe Just Made a wrong camera Angle Trust me

[@NathanTyph]

As a Rift CV1 user, I'd love to see an "old headsets vs G2" comparison!

[@x32i77]

YES PLEASE

[@TheUltraseal]

Same here!

[@ions7581]

9:42 I don't think you need more than that.

[@VilleVaananen]

You can compare Rift S and Index to the CV1 on Tyriel's old video. That should give you a good idea. Spoiler: even Rift S looks way better than CV1..

[@mikicerise6250]

Unfortunately we have even lower quality than the Rift S. ;) One thing we do have though is two OLED screens, rather than one LED screen like in the Rift S. So we have deeper, perfect blacks and in some ways better colours than Rift S, I think, plus better refresh (90Hz). But obviously just no comparison to Index or Reverb G2, even if they don't have the deepest blacks, they win on anything else. Mind you I got my CV1 for 300€, and the Reverb G2 is easily double that. But I can't say I'm not tempted. I'd have to see how much I can sell my CV1 for to mitigate the upgrade cost. I will still wait though to see the final verdict on the tracking, which I haven't seen anyone really talk about. I won't settle for anything less than the best tracking. ;)

[@xxxxMidKnightxxxx]

The Reverb looks stunning....

[@LuminaSV5]

When he zoomed in you could barely see the pixels! That’s crazy

[@lavir74]

As the stunning PC you need to run it. 2160 x 2160 each eye? Not even this next generation of GPUs will be able to sustain such a resolution at 90 fps with good image settings in most games. Forget then altogether supersampling.

[@drakemaroc]

@@lavir74 mine can

[@TrevorJones1]

now imagine the same thing with 170deg fov

[@lavir74]

@@drakemaroc Sure can. You have a GPU that can power 4220 x 4220 resolution with 90 fps at high settings in games like Assetto Corsa Competizione, how not. Probably you come from the future and you have access to hardware that's not made yet, and that it will not exist probably until 2021. A 2080ti cannot reach 90 fps on a Rift S in ACC (or similar other modern games with intensive graphics) but your GPU "can" with more than double the total resolution to deal with, sure. Try for fun putting 2x supersampling on a Rift S in ACC and enjoy puking all over the floor after 3 seconds of gameplay.

[@thomasphilly132]

These are my favorite videos that you do! I can't even imagine how long this must take you but the VR community loves you for it!!

[@rl10851]

facts

[@GT1GT]

It's Official, you are the KING of Through The Lenses! Thank You for your hard work, and Thank You for getting this Video up fast for us. Thumbs Up Tyriel. ppfffttt.......This should be the standard going forward, 2160 by 2160.

[@theobald123]

Sebastian...MRTV.

[@GT1GT]

@@theobald123 I know, and i already saw it. I love Sebastian and MRTV but Tyriel is a little more thorough with through the lenses and experienced with other through the lens video's.

[@ions7581]

Yeah, any new PCVR headset without this resolution or better is not doing it right.

[@zackmack7044]

@@ions7581 agreed, this is the new standard. Shouldn't be any lower than this from now on.

[@TyrellW]

no, a 1:1 res shouldn't be the standard

[@Blue-bf8lv]

My mind says "YES!" But my bank balance says "NO!"

[@eilifintiselephant2143]

I pre-ordered 🥳

[@heyjeySigma]

Poor? solution is simple: get rich

[@Blue-bf8lv]

heyjeySigma wow! Why didn't I think of that?!

[@eilifintiselephant2143]

My parents said I could get it as long as I shared with my brother 😒

[@DaveOReardon]

But your credit card says "YES!"

[@pinball16]

Going from a CV1 to Reverb G2 so expect it to be quite a difference, mostly played Elite and have Alex ready to go.

[@nikofpv]

You take no risk ^^ don't worry! CV1 is just a pixel jam compared to even the worst of these 3 HMD

[@Tiv3e]

You'll see quite a difference with the grey blacks which breaks all immersion. I've preordered a G2 but won't be using it for dark games. Wish someone would bring out a comfortable oled panel headset with good audio and higher resolution :(

[@pinball16]

@@Tiv3e yes have seen this, very black for elite dangerous and big screen etc but CV1 was very hard to read menus so hope can adjust blacks enough in RG2 to be acceptable.

[@zackmack7044]

@@pinball16 yes, hoping the black levels are adequate!

[@JollyFlys]

been waiting to jump on vr, is been my dream since I was a kid. Never have I tried a single vr headset. G2 gonna be my first experience.

[@madsib5187]

You nailed it, same here 🤩

[@Countcho]

Same. How do u like it now??

[@Ruthsai]

this man has definitely crossed into another dimension

[@TheDemonisedMenace]

Something to note here is the colour balance displayed by the different headsets. The G2's colours look more warm whereas the colours of the Index and Rift S look more cold? Warm colours are better for the eyes at least which helps with eye strain etc due to less blue lighting.

[@progressivelife8365]

Wow, you do the best most professional through the lens videos I've ever seen! I know how hard that must be.

[@McC4rthy]

I just sold my Rift S because of the Facebook requirement, getting a Reverb next.

[@zit1999]

We all saw it coming when FB bought out Oculus shortly after successful Kickstarter. Oh well, if it wasn't for them and the sell-out, the VR scene would not be as abundant as it is now, I reckon.

[@bve7397]

Who cares

[@cheezybreez3954]

@@bve7397 well i care

[@moncimoov]

same, but index for me

[@KarghitectK]

I literally considered a rift until the FB requirement, the Reverb came along and I immediately knew what I was getting.

[@socks2441]

a brightness slider is essential. i can change the backlight levels on my tv, my monitor, my phone. why not on my vr headset? a screen is a screen. and it would be very beneficial depending on type of game being played etc. i consider it a necessary feature that is all too often lacking.

[@rehakmate]

Yep, definitely a must.

[@Vr_Demon_]

You can change index brightness levels in steam vr menu.

[@rehakmate]

@@Vr_Demon_ That's good to know.

[@AaronNickols88]

You can with the index with a press of a button

[@socks2441]

@@AaronNickols88 that's good, do you know if you can with other headsets though? I can only speak for Gen 1 wmr and I don't think they have the option.

[@IsraeliXdude]

Valve looking the best, sharper, better blacks and colors looking natural.

[@Oskier94]

I'm definitely getting G2 after this video, that will feel amazing after going from my old CV1

[@boostedz6670]

i bet it will, i jumped to the index after the cv1 and it was nuts, g2 looks crispy

[@David-tp7mc]

imagine onward being able to see heads in windows from across the map

[@boostedz6670]

@@David-tp7mc first time i hopped on pavlov after i got the index it really felt like that..

[@lavir74]

It almost seems like people don't consider minimally the specs required to run a G2. Sure, it has a crisp image but that's because it has 2160 x 2160 resolution on both eyes! Do you understand the amount of power you need to run such a resolution at a stable 90 fps? Neither the coming next GPU generation will be able to sustain such a resolution with decent settings in the vast majority of titles (apart from the simple ones). It looks good, sure, but to run that headset properly you will need to wait 2021 for RNDA 3 and 7nm Nvidia chips to come.

[@Fuzzy810]

@@lavir74 I have the G1 with the same resolution panels and a 1080ti. Runs smooth for most titles mate. Games like DCS you will need to dial back the graphics but is still more then playable and looks crisp as.

[@BotanicalOdyssey]

Great video Tyriel!! Blown away by the G2's clarity and color depth! Can't wait for it to release!

[@neteasetravis2192]

Thanks for the amazing comparison. Though G2 has really good center resulution, it seems the sweetspot of the lens is rather narrow compared to the others. Sharpness drop quite quickly and even severe chromatic aberration appears. Hopefully at least they correct that in production model/firmware.

[@rileyguy5892]

This is likely due to the fact that it's being viewed through a camera. But yes, there will be better lenses coming on the production model.

[@Begohan1234]

@@rileyguy5892 it's not going to have different lenses. That would be quite the major change a month before release

[@Simlife101]

@@rileyguy5892 and you know this how, because HP told MRTV lol. A company never talks shot do they

[@Simlife101]

@@Begohan1234 yes they are. I said this why are they changing a major component so late and close to release unless this is the reason only a handful of review models were sent out yo wow the reviewers and get great reviews. We have no idea what the new sweet spot will be with the new lenses or if there is glare. And if anyone moans at the reviewers all they will say is well the model i was sent was ok lol its all a con i think you see. There will be many going mad over it on release. But yes they are changing the lenses look it up

[@Simlife101]

@@Begohan1234 also it isnt due out until October

[@Moctop]

You should keep the same order for the examples. If you start with riftS-Index-G2, stick with it. No big deal but it makes more sense and you get a progressive representation of quality too.

[@WoodysAR]

Really great, thank you! (although it was VERY STRANGE to keep swapping up the left to right order, one excepts the Index etc. to come up again, where it did before, not suddenly be in a different spot. With this 'feature', rather than relaxing into analzying, and not worrying aboyt what will be where,., instead, one has to read the text names of each and every one, every single time, IDEALLY BEFORE taking in the visuals, in order to get the most out of it. Really a very big (likely unintended) negative effect from a small editing choice, I wonder what you are thinking while doing it, (if you think tthere is some reason to swap them up) I politely mentioned this last time too, but I guess you didn't understand... So close to perfect and this strange choice, I can't imagine why.!

[@cHowaito]

You're right. It was indeed weird to see them switch places.

[@ions7581]

I liked it this way. Made it easier to see what my bias was causing. If it looked better because I thought it would look better. Also allows for more directly comparing different headsets.

[@Reesanicole83]

I agree. I put the titles out of my mind to keep my bias in check, intending to only glance down afterward to mark my preference. But once I noticed he was swapping them, I found myself checking the title first and more often; so if it was intentional it actually had the opposite effect. Just made the effort to remove bias require more effort.

[@mrexpendable1232]

They really got that pixel gap down really far on the g2. That feels like the biggest improvement here which of course does come from the resolution, but having almost no percievable gaps between the pixels does so much!

[@neilxpeart]

how much of a performance hit do you encounter with the G2 vs the Index? Lovely video as always

[@GhlyMasta]

They're both rendered at a similar resolution in SteamVR (Index is rendered at 1.4x native due to lens distortion whereas Reverb isn't), so performance will be relatively similar. I think the Reverb will have a render resolution that is effectively 5.5% higher.

[@mrexpendable1232]

@@GhlyMasta could you explain the index bit? why are they rendering like that?

[@christopherpope1800]

I'm just praying my 1080ti can handle the resolution !

[@mrexpendable1232]

@@christopherpope1800 I also have a 1080ti. Do you already own a headset? you can test the resolution in steam vr. Steam VR reads out the resolution you're currently running and you can bump that up to equal the G2s 2160x2160 per eye which is 4,665,600. For me, most of my games were ok.

[@CapN-Savvy]

@@mrexpendable1232 I feel like if I can run a quest with pc link on my 3700x w/ 2060 super - you should be fine with ur 1080ti. One thing to note. Even though the G2 has better resolution the Index has variable refresh rate - 90hz, 120hz, & I've heard a beta 144hz they are currently testing but don't quote me on that.

[@estehbread]

So which one would be better? Still kind of leaning towards the index for the remotes and 120hz

[@estehbread]

@@marsnack5570 I'm thinking that the index might also be good for like an engineering CAD software. I kinda wanna try developing that

[@estehbread]

@@marsnack5570 hmm that is true because you would be able to see far more pixels huh

[@estehbread]

@@marsnack5570 is it possible to use reeverb with index controls?

[@adambarta.s]

In Assetto Corsa the HP Reverb has more detail on the hood of the car. Is that just because of a different time of day in the game?

[@YoungShyne123]

reflection from the light

[@cronus33]

But look at the sky and blending of shades. Index wins.

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

@@cronus33 The Reverb is still set little bit too Bright Hp said. They still Work to give the Best Color Picture when they Ship it. So its gonna get even better.

[@josephyang3260]

Pretty sure that it was just a cloudy day in the game, but definitely more detail

[@gordonfreeman5958]

I had my first view of VR in person the other day - my friend owns a HP Reverb G2 and he decided to show me the best that VR has to offer as my first ever experience... I put on the headset and loaded up Half Life Alyx and my god... Those first few moments on the balcony looking around.. grabbing stuff.. looking at the NPCs and cars down in the street.. Looking at the stairs, walls and junk lying around the rooms... It was absolutely mind blowing - like truly a portal into another world. It looked so real it was really like i was actually there! I don't know if the other lower resolution headsets would have offered that same experience since there was zero screen door effect on the G2 - everything around me looked real just like this video shows. I know now for sure that VR is the future of gaming - just need to tackle the motion sickness issue and then VR will be the new normal for video games I am sure.

[@mckirkus]

Would love to see a comparison of the Rift CV1, Original Vive, and the G2. If only to get a sense of how far we've come.

[@masterodst1]

Yes please

[@sourcebeing3620]

He did at the end of the video

[@1SaG]

Just bought a Reverb G2 2nd hand to replace my Rift-S. I've used the G2 briefly last year on a buddy's PC, but these videos really remind me that it was the right call to upgrade. Rift works fine even today, IMO, as an entry level device to get you hooked. But I only do flight-sims in VR and after a while, the resolution of the Rift-S really started to bug me. Looking around the cockpit isn't so much the issue - that stuff still amazes me to this day. It's more the "looking out of your cockpit and trying to find and track enemy planes"-bit where you really need a sharper image. Now... all I need to do is decide on a new video card. I'd love the 4070 Ti, but I think it'll have to be the plain 4070. I don't really need the Ti's added power outside of VR and it's a little too expensive for my taste. Not that the non-Ti was a bargain, mind you ... :)

[@ariarasti7606]

Reverb G2 looks beautiful! I hope we witness a 8k VR headsets soon because its just so beautiful when we have high resolution vr headsets with big fovs.

[@sundaynightdrunk]

No GPU currently available to consumers could drive it. Reverb G2 is pushing the resolution vs. performance boundary, where you're going to need a beefy GPU just to run most games at modest settings.

[@PumpkinSmasher85]

@@sundaynightdrunk We need to start seeing foveated rendering

[@TheGoreforce]

There is almost no content that is made for 8k, gaming sure, but you'd have such a low fps that it would not be worth it. Keep in mind the g2 will require basically a 2080+ next generation you will probably want a 3080 or 3080ti in your pc.

[@dominicstocker5144]

TheGoreforce of course there is content for that! You are going to be able to watch movies with less aliasing, and the readability for productivity applications will be better! Also, I don’t think that you are going to need a graphics card just because it’s available, a 1080 is still recommended on their website

[@Simlife101]

@@dominicstocker5144 you talking rubbish. i have a 2080ti and i9 32gb ram and i have the valve index and i struggle with many titles to get a locked 90fps. i had the GTX 1080 before the 2080ti and i had to upgrade because all my games i liked to play ran like shit and that was on the index so the G2 will be a lot harder to run. Even if it runs like my index you still need a 2080ti to even get the most of it. you probably have a quest and an xbox

[@Matty7272]

With the Valve Index not being available in all markets would it be possible to do a through the lens comparison between the Rift S, G2 and HTC Cosmos? These are available in all markets globally and it would be interesting to see the comparison between these. Awesome vids by the way and looking forward to more content.

[@eilifintiselephant2143]

The reverb is scary clear and I think that the index does lighting a little better

[@majorbob6349]

What's up with contrast problems and dumped down colors of G2 compared with Valve Index. Even tho the pixel density is much better in G2, it's pointless if the contrast is so bad. I guess I'm just gonna wait for my index. The G2 huge selling point was the overall image quality and black levels which are clearly not what I expected.

[@rudlzavedno7279]

This is a preproduction model of G2. HP clearly pointed out that they will dial brightness down and calibrate gamma levels in final unit. I owned Original Rift, Lenovo Explorer, Odyssey+ and 1st gen Reverb and black levels of Reverb were much better than that of Lenovo, I'd say on pair with original Rift (oled) but worse than Odyssey+ (best blacks to date thanks to amoled screens).

[@majorbob6349]

​@@rudlzavedno7279 oh nice, I'm kinda relieved . I never owned a VR so I'm really not sure how reliable WMR is, especially with such a promising product. I'm gonna wait for a calibrated version review to decide if I'm gonna cancel my Index order.

[@FebruaryThird0]

I preordered the G2... retiring my Oculus CV1 :D

[@officialneer]

best upgrade of your life

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

upgrading from oculus quest :)

[@SimSlim.]

upgrading from rift s

[@officialneer]

@@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke same

[@catchyprism]

I preordered , tooo

[@AndyPants550]

I love that your through the lenses videos have a "standard" few views that you constantly use, it's great to have such a standard. I've opened many of your videos side by side to see how different headsets stack up even if they weren't in the same episode.

[@Vr_Demon_]

The G2 looks awesome but im satisfied with my index.

[@Vr_Demon_]

@911LookuptheLavonAffair yeah for some reason his index in comparison looks terrible compared to when im in my headset. I was thinking maybe fov combined with brightness a little too high? Not sure man. I purchased the index about month after launch and its better than i thought it would be. The more you use it..the more you love it. Wouldn't want any other headset

[@AaronNickols88]

But does the hp have the fov that we got on index does ?does the hp have the refresh rate that we got ? Nope . I'm chilling over 144fps/hz with a wide field of view

[@Vr_Demon_]

@@AaronNickols88 not to mention they needed help from valve to complete the g2 because the g1 lasted how long?😂😂 what a joke of a life cycle. Dont listen to the index haters who never even touched an index!!

[@AaronNickols88]

@@Vr_Demon_ not to mention Oculus rift only made it cause valve was the main devopler of both htc Vive and oculs rift , untill they make a different headset with over 130fov and above 144hz I'm sticking with my index

[@Vr_Demon_]

@@AaronNickols88 wait until you see tyriels new video on tracking on the g2. Just terrible

[@ShendonZ]

You can clearly see some aberrations and one thing I noticed is how your blacks looks way greyer than MRTV videos, so much that sometimes the rift s and index seems to have better blacks even after Sebastian commented how superior the blacks on the G2 are. Could it be because you may have a "older" version of the g2 headset? Or a headset with older lens?

[@astroreflux]

at 2:52 what are those dark blotches on black areas. didnt see that in mrtvs vids. looks like a really intense mura effect which is weird cause there mura is barely noticeable anywhere else. looks like its an issue with blending dark gray into black? and at 3:54 its not there at all. seems like its only there on still shots but not in motion. maybe its video compression artifacts. if you look at 6:23 - 6:25 (in full screen at 4k) youll see the frame change and the blotches become more apparent. thats on the rift s, so they are less obvious bc of the washed out colors and low resolution. but on the g2 its having to choose black or grey for so many small sets of pixels, to blend that gradient accurately would try to allocate a much higher bitrate (assuming its VBR), take much longer to render and create a much larger file size. so depending on the settings and behavior of the encoder, i think its hit its ceiling for how evenly it can blend the gradient at the max allowed bitrate. i dont deal with such high res footage so im not sure. but its definitely some kind of video artifact exaggerating the tiny mura pattern, which based on other through the lens shots, would be almost unnoticeable during use.

[@jolf542734]

i think it's just the camera noise (iso) that's probably why it can be in one shot and not in another one

[@astroreflux]

@@jolf542734yeah looked that up and it makes more sense based on the intensity and distribution of the blotches.

[@harrisoncreates]

I pre-ordered my G2 a couple of days ago, I CANNOT be more hyped for it! It's (understandably) on a massive backorder right now so I won't get it until December but my god after seeing these videos that wait is more than worth it!

[@VRIceblast]

Wow, look how well the Rift S is after all this time, and to think, you can get it for so much cheaper than either of the other headsets.

[@queenbiscuit311]

The main thing im concerned about with the g2 is the lack of oled screens. I was playing my psvr earlier and the only time that ever even came *close* to being fully immersed in that headset was a dark murder mystery map in rec room where i got completely sucked in to the point that I literally confused the vr world with the real world and it felt incredible. Im scared that the black levels wont be as good and it will completely murder immersion in dark scenes despite the clarity adding so much immersion.

[@DigitalDesires87]

Wow, what a great comparison, mate! You did fantastic. I've been playing alot of Assetto Corsa on my Rift S and always thought it looked quite good, but the difference in clarity, especially in the distance with the G2 are astounding! I'm glad I preordered it already in July. Can't wait to get it!

[@TheGameGuruTv]

Same! Rumors say 15th of September the first headsetswill be delivered over in europe

[@Simlife101]

@@TheGameGuruTv nope you were misinformed

[@theblowupdollsmusic]

The G2 sides are very blurry. At first glance, the G2 looks the best, but if you look around the edges or sides of the image, there is more blur on the G2 compared to the others. Look at the car's left door mirror. It’s much more blurry on the G2. In elite dangerous, the right-hand side “Distance” text numbers are much more blurry compared to the center text. Also, look at the vision text example. The vision tests on the right are far more blurry on the G2. The others have a more uniform sharpness. Hopefully, this gets resolved with the new lenses.

[@theblowupdollsmusic]

​@@reiro83 I hope so. MRTVs DCS videos look blurry on the sides as well. He does claim it's clear edge to edge though. It would seem strange to send out two different lens versions during the same marketing campaign.

[@thatguy4176]

Can you compare the quest 2 to the reverb g2?

[@BzBlade]

q2 is worse than rift s

Through the lens videos are certainly the best way for the viewer to see differences between headsets... BUT!!! ----> 1) Be VERY careful that they are in focus!! - there's a couple of shots where the G2 looks much more blurry than it should in comparison to the others. MRTV had to re-shoot a couple of videos when it became apparent the focus was obviously incorrect. 2) The vast majority of viewers will have no idea whatsoever of how this footage is captured and of the importance of spending enough time to properly set up and focus the camera.

[@MidBoss]

Looks like VR will be hitting the resolution sweet-spot in just a couple of years. Hopefully the price will do the same 🙃

[@Perrirodan1]

True, the screendoor effect is almost gone with the G2.It could be even better but it does help a lot with immersion I think!

[@Xxtictoc1216xX]

$600 isn’t to bad but the part that boss is the pc lol

[@darkcss1054]

oculus headsets are cheaper and better each gen. quest 2 costs $299

[@GokouZWAR]

11:16 Why did you change the game quality settings in this for the HP Reverb? There's no reflections on the car in either rift or index's picture? Are we REALLY doing a 1:1 comparison or are we skewing the results? Maybe we need to look at it more objectively.

[@colinduggan81]

Any chance of doing a through the lens video for the quest 2? Thanks

[@PeBoVision]

display quality is absolutely important, but contoller features (tracking lag/haptic feedback/finger tracking and a strap that let's you let go occassionally (and not throw it across the room when throwing an object in-game)) is what I am paying attention to as I research my future purchase. regardless, thank you for this informative video of two of the three units I have been considering (Index, G2 & Varjo). Your hard work and editing decisions has made this one of the best I've seen. Kudos.

[@annenouk5272]

Wow someone finally took the time to wash the car. It's an amazing difference.

[@Blue-bf8lv]

the comparison at 7:07 is so crazy that text looks amazing on the G2

[@janred94]

Freaking amazing! The Text Test was incredible! Great job on the video, awesome through the lens shot, awesome b-roll, awesome cutting! Do you have a Patreon?

[@Simlife101]

Janred If it so amazing why do some parts look like the rift s is clearer than the index, i have both and they are far from that. look at 7:08

[@janred94]

@@Simlife101 Because Index and Rift S are mostly on par? I dont get the question, the G2 is way clearer than both. I currently also have the Rift S.

[@Simlife101]

@@janred94 lol i can tell you as someone who has 2 rift s HMDs in the house and one index the Rift S is far from on par with the Rift S in clarity. The look it up they are no where near like one another. The clarity of the Index over the Rift S is mind blowing even more so in Sim racing. Lighting and weather conditions wipl have a huge impact on there through the lens videos and i understand it must he hard to get a one for one like results but i can tell you from experience these through the lens videos are nonsense. Anyone who have never tried the index or the rift s would believe due to watching these that they are about the same in clarity when that is completely untrue. Do you own the Index and Rift S or tried then side by side as i did when i first got the Index?

[@Simlife101]

@@janred94 also remember these through the lens videos were done using the old lenses as HP have said they are changing the lenses and i quote "for far better ones" lol you only change a major component this pate if there was an issue So now we have no idea on sweet spot and glare as the new lenses may suffer poorly on both and this is why we watch these sort of videos so for HP to change the lenses after only sending out a handful of review models has me questioning why. Why only send less than 10 units out for review and then change the lenses that were in those models. I believe it to be less sent out less problems spotted. After all the trouble with the G1 i will hold judgement until it comes out but for me going down in F9V is a no no as i am a sim racer and the sense of speed you get from a large FOV is way more important than clarity as the index is clear anyway and at 150% Ss looks great and Automobilista 2 is just a next gen for VR imo. If you like sim racing try AMS 2 and be prepared to be blown away with how good it looks.

[@Simlife101]

@@janred94 and i was referring to the video being amazing when it shows the flaws when text looks cleaer in the Rift S than the Index which again is false. i did a side by side with the rift s and my index and even my children say the same that the rift s is worse but i will say the colours are better but the FOV is bad on the rift s, feels less than my old CV1

[@hitsuyosiaka1020]

G2 is amazing in the center view. But if you notice the left and right area, it seems even blury than rift s. Is it just the problem of your camera?

[@tibuas903]

I have the same feeling.

[@evenauta]

Well that is due to the famous sweet spot of a VR glasses. And the Rift S has a killer lens, and a far superior sweet spot than the G2. But that is not said because the G2 is doing a great marketing campaign and people have a very large HIPE.

[@jacobgirling7739]

Hey man would you say the G2 is a worthwhile upgrade for someone who already owns a rift S?

[@vincemazo341]

You killed it! Outstanding through the lens comparison. Very comprehensive. The definitive comparison so far! Great job, Tyriel!!!

[@enesbozkurt6902]

Was the asetto corsa's weather setting same at the reverb g2? It looked like it was sunny at reverb g2 and cloudy at the others.

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

Yes it was the Same. The Reverb is still set little bit to Bright and they work even to make it better then on the Picture here.

[@_Arthur-]

I thought the reflections setting with the G2 is higher then the others

[@mclarenrob2]

I'm just glad that it exists, hopefully pushing the market forwards to higher resolutions

[@dirkdex]

This is the best comparison video I’ve seen yet - thank you! As much as I love the bump in resolution, I don’t think it’s enough of an overall upgrade from my current valve index. Now I’m hoping valve will come out with an announcement by the end of the year! :)

[@frankzappa2274]

Yeah i will stick with 5k+ and wait for something new from Valve or an 8kx or something mind blowing next year hopefully. A Nvidia 3000 series GPU will be a more important purchase for myself at the moment. The G2 is perfect for someone new without basestations etc etc great deal.

[@tehgusbus2716]

Wireless index would make it King of all headsets

[@CapN-Savvy]

Definitely just stick with ur valve. I just pre-ordered the G2. Was holding off to see what the new quest may offer but im over all the rumors and speculations. My only concern with the g2 was the controller tracking but I think diwn the road im just going to pick up some knickles and base stations. Figured it give me the best of both worlds.

[@dirkdex]

Saif Khan - Yep, I’m staying with my index for now and I really can’t complain. I’m pretty sure the G2 is NOT compatible with knuckles and base stations however, but enjoy the best resolution!

[@CapN-Savvy]

@@dirkdex oh they are. Mrtv did an entire video dedicated to the g2 and him using it with knuckles and base stations. That was a big decision maker for me.

[@Morphox]

I'm so happy I preordered the G2! I've been using the OG vive as my daily driver for a long time and can't wait to see just how much of a picture quality difference it is going to be :D Awesome video! I know the OG Vive is really outdated but I would really love to see just how much of a step-up it is from the old days of VR :D Also why the heck did youtube notify me about this video as if it was published 30 minutes ago smh

[@Moonmonkian]

The chromatic abberation on the G2 is concerning.

[@greenleaf1635]

Could you perhaps elaborate on that?

[@Moonmonkian]

@@greenleaf1635 people talk about sweet spot etc, but when you get blue shift and also red shift in your periphery when you look off centre quickly gets distorted, blurring by colour. I use an O+ and it's bad. The lens video shows index is waay less effected than G2. I really hoped this would be reduced in g2, as what's the point in high ppi of the light comes in at the wrong angles to make the image blurred at the sides?

[@TheGoreforce]

they said in this video that the lends has been improved for the production.

[@Moonmonkian]

@@TheGoreforce they can say that all they like. Here's hoping it's not an issue

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

@@Moonmonkian Yes i saw that too. MRTV said to me he has a Clear Picture over the whole Picture but in this Video i can see the chromatic abberation on the G2 too. I hope the End Product has this fixed.

[@Mopki3]

4:18 why does there appear to be a reflection of something (tree line?) in only the reverb g2?

[@darkcss1054]

indeed. he seems to be using recommended settings for each headset resolution

[@z0lid]

There must be different settings on Assetto corsa, on the tests. Cos only the Reverb have reflections of the foilage like the trees reflected on the cars chassi. Even if the other headsets have lower resolution, they would still reflect the same thing, but in lower resolution. But they dont reflect it at all, so the settings must be different, cos that has nothing to do with resolution.

[@joyceracing99]

I agree. Almost like the video poster is trying to make the G2 stand out on purpose. Kinda defeats the whole point of the video. Direct comparison.

[@lavir74]

The shots are obviously taken at different times. You cannot replicate perfectly the same exact parameters for both. Just a simple restart of the game can change how the scene is rendered, even when the settings are exactly the same in both instances. Many things change in the background when you restart a game: clouds, shadows, light etc. all get recalculated newly and very very rarely you obtain the same results (in fact it is almost impossible: just simply a change in the way clouds are positioned in the sky can dramatically alter the way the light plays with the environment). Watch every single graphic comparison video: if the scene has to be rendered anew you will notice many changes in lightning; in fact the more sophisticated and real time the engine is, the more the changes. In old engines, when lighting was all baked there were no changes because it was all pre-rendered, but when lighting is calculated in real time then exact shot comparisons become almost impossible to re-create.

[@solidious3399]

We need a rift s quest and quest 2 comparison

[@Sweegan7]

I just got an email saying my valve index is coming on mondayyyyyyy I’m so excited (Also I’ve been playing on a 4 year old faulty HTC Vive soooo)

[@astroreflux]

faulty vive gang. ordered a g2 cause index still isnt available here

[@Sweegan7]

AstroReflux it isn’t gonna ever be available for me either but that’s why I’m paying my British friend to deliver it here, I’m Australian by the way

[@astroreflux]

@@Sweegan7 ah sick. i thought about doing something like that but decided to just wait it out. but the g2 seems to fit my needs so

[@Sweegan7]

AstroReflux yeah makes sense

[@hebanyarbrough241]

I had an OG vive, got the vive pro but hated it, so I got the Index. Didn't arrive even after 2 weeks so I bought another one. Didn't arrive either after 2 weeks, so I decided to order the g2. Can't wait!

[@mackan072]

I love that you also shared comparisons between the G2 and the original Rift and Vive, and would love to see more of this. It really puts these newer headsets into perspective, and for people like me, who to some extent contemplated buying a used last generation headset it helps with deciding what to actually get. The difference is night and day, and unless I manage to find an old headset at a really cheap price, it seems far better to go for something of the current generation, as it appears to be of an order of magnitude sharper.

[@LuminaSV5]

You’ve been hit by 👏 👏 you’ve been hit by 👏 👏 Screen-Door Effect!

[@johannjensson6190]

Made. My. Day.

[@nTu4Ka]

These kind of videos are the reason I'm on your channel. This is your stronger side.

[@mrnismo75]

It’s really confusing and frustrating when you keep changing the order of the headsets that you’re comparing!

[@ChillaTronics01]

Having gone from the Rift S to the Index, I just can't imagine sacrificing the larger FOV and higher refresh rate on the index, even for a clearer picture.

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

Oh you can. MRTV Tested even the G2 Pre Production Model Vs. the Index and he Changed from Index to G2. He said the G2 Fov is just a little bit Smaller you dont even Notice it rlly. And you get more Immersion on the G2. But Index is still a good Headset too.

[@ChillaTronics01]

@@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke You might be right, the upgrade in clarity does look amazing! For my money however, I think I will wait for a larger upgrade that keeps the high refresh rate of the index (going from a 144hz monitor to a 90hz screen is a huge difference!) while also improving on the fov. I agree that a higher fov isn't that much of an improvement to immersion, but imo it is a huge improvement to the overall gameplay experience to have information fed to you in your peripheral vision (e.g. I found fov and higher refresh rate to be a huge difference in games such as until you fall, and at least a moderate difference in almost every other game.) In short, while a higher resolution undoubtedly bring about a higher level of immersion, I think that the smoothness of the image and a higher peripheral vision brings about better gameplay.

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

@@ChillaTronics01 90 Hz is good to play right now its smooth. if you play at 80 ye its getting to low. Fov does make a huge difference but not at this Level where the G2 and the Index are right now. Pimax has Larger Fov but the Display is just bad with all this Distortion. So believe me if you have a 170+ Fov with Crystal Clear Sharp Image over the whole Image the Immersion Difference will be Huge. And ye if you already have the Index i even dont know if i would change to the G2 because when i change Headsets i wait till the Difference is even Higher. Im coming from the Quest right now and Change to G2 that will be a huge Difference. But excited to see what comes next.

[@FunLion]

I agree. I'm impressed by the clarity of the G2 but I love the high fps of the Index. I just wait for the Index 2 and upgrade my GPU when Nvidia releases the 3000 series. Constant 120 fps with a good amount of Super Sampling enabled (hopefully) is going to be awesome.

[@Gregoses]

and noone ever talked about the shitty sweetspot on the headset, its even clearly visible in this vid

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

Lots of others are now talking about it......

[@Gregoses]

@@jamiesalmonsculpture8599 yes, now that everyone bought it

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

@@Gregoses I was so close to buying into all the great reviews until people actually started to buy it and really tell us how it is. It's seems to be not worth it now. Most likely the Index is still the king(or the Quest2)

[@Gregoses]

@@jamiesalmonsculpture8599 i have the quest 2 and the G2 and the G2s resolution and clarity is absolutely umatched, however all kinds f issues with lag, crashing, worse tracking... often make me wanna give it up. But then i compare the visuals again and cant go back to the Quest. Waiting for Decagear now, hopefully it will be good

[@Gregoses]

and also without the fov mod the G2 has the smallest FOV ive ever seen

[@gregholland11]

The text test was great. Valve index seems to have better colors, but the clarity of the G2 is more important to me

[@BobInGreek]

OCULUS QUEST 2 PLEASE

[@KarlGosling]

Whats really interesting here is that the Rift S looks clearer and with less colour haloing than the Index in more than one of those SBS tests.

[@DJHeroMasta]

Goodbye.....CV1. We now have a *true* replacement as the Rift S wasn't hitting it's mark.

[@zackmack7044]

Yep finally a true CV1 successor. Shame about it not being OLED, but that's what they're all doing now so not much can be done about that.

[@itsastraycookie8717]

Also notice they turned down the brightness of the G2 display after that video. So the colours also should looking better now

[@archichampin]

I’ve ordered my Index 4 months and a half ago, got an email two days ago asking me to pay the order, just cancelled and getting the G2. Thinking of getting the knuckles controllers later on but the quality of this headset is mind blowing, and cheaper than the Index.

[@TBMono]

You should do a video about upgrading from an HTC Vive to a Valve index with through the lens comparisons since there aren't any out there.

[@jolf542734]

i agree !! i have my hold htc vive since way too long and i though of upgrading my setup !

[@brothamane8747]

At 4:43 the Oculus Rift S and Valve Index have blue skies with white clouds while the HP Reverb G2 has overcast and grey looking skies. Are these weather effects or loss of detail with HP Reverb G2? As a matter of fact, there is a loss of detail in the sky with all compared scenes on the Reverb (grey and overcast looking).

[@Urfir3d]

Here’s something that most aren’t covering. Please do a through the lens where you are using SS on the Index to make the resolution match closer to the G2 Resolution. I’m wondering how close the actual look will get when you use Supersampling to have similar resolution and performance.

[@biggishbottoms6754]

So I covered up the bottom on the headsets and let my mind decide which one I liked better so I wouldn’t be biased and oh my gosh. The reverb was ridiculously clear

[@danialothman]

i did not expect to see a TEXT test, its a great idea! been stuck on a Rift S quite a while and heard so much about the Reverb.

[@mangapuff2299]

At 9:40 the comparison to the HTC Vive is jaw dropping. I have pre-ordered the G2. Going from my current Original Vive to G2 must be like a person having poor eye sight wearing a proper prescription glasses for the first time. Can't wait!

[@Alitaf97]

You're the best, everytime I look at a VR headset to buy, you have a video on it and in many cases, a through the lenses video as well for a *general* idea of how it might look compared to others. Thank you!

[@dustin0133]

11:24 that surface glare is something ive been wanting in VR so badly! ugh its beautiful

[@Ken_1971]

Fantastic display comparison video ! Awsome work Tyriel ! Thumbs up !

[@bluemamba5317]

Perfect, pictures are much better than videos for comparisons. Also, liked the music :)

[@segstron]

Excellent as always! Pre-orded a HP G2 for FS2020. Can't wait to see the DCS comparison!

[@crotchet6439]

That's going to look like real life if you set the settings to ultra

[@CaptainSchlockler]

Everything about the G2 visuals are so much nicer. How stable is the tracking on the G2, though?

[@SpaceDust_97]

Dude, nice "Through the lens" video. You always do a great job. Wow, that G2 looks so good.

[@kanalya1000chertey]

Can't see clouds in the sky in Reverb G2 in Asseto Corsa. Is it because of the poor dynamic range?

[@rtyzxc]

It looks like the weather is not the same in these comparisons. The reflection on the car is different too.

[@liminghong3879]

In the g2, the blue sky looks white. Can I calibrate the color?

[@fleksyy]

when it comes to resolution and clarity: Rift S < Index < Reverb 2 Don't forget you get the proper Lighthouse Tracking + Index Controllers when you get the 999$ Index Package

[@deuswulf6193]

Aye the biggest negative for the G2 is the controllers.

[@Megadeth7811]

I have the Reverb G2, and Half Life Alyx looks fucking amazing on this headset.

[@joaocosta1894]

It's impressive how much resolution vr headset need. 8k may be overkill for normal games, but for vr is something that we really need to aim for

[@Klivdx]

The real question is: Can the tracking keep up with Beat Saber Expert+ songs? If the tracking isn't great, everything falls apart.

[@NicolasBailly]

The tracking of the G1 could keep up with beatsaber on Expert+, so considering it should be improved with the 4 cameras (it won't lose visual tracking nearly as often when you swing your arms on the side) I don't see why it wouldn't work on the G2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWTHlqiMg8ioosU kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYazea2YZb2Ko7M Also, controller tracking is irrelevant in the 3 games that are showcased in this video (asseto corsa, Elite Dangerous, and FS 2020), and resolution and graphics are not important for playing beat saber, so I guess it just depends on what your priorities are.

[@Klivdx]

@@NicolasBailly Yeah, it should be good for games like Elite Dangerous, Half Life Alyx etc.. but probably won't be enough for very hard songs in Beat Saber, I'm talking about some insane custom songs Expert++ and beyond. So yeah, at the end it comes to the user preference I guess, but obviously I'll wait for the actual release and reviews of the final product.

[@GoFasterHD]

I ordered my G2 on 6/2 and am patiently waiting.

[@johnbuscher]

WOW, I had no idea that the Rift S was going to look so similar to the Index in single frames. Obviously, the Index's other big selling points are the controllers, the lighthouse tracking, and the refresh-rate, but in pure image quality, it really doesn't suck. In some tests, I was concerned about color accuracy on the Reverb and wasn't convinced that the text was clearer until the frame in Elite showing that list compared to others. So much clearer. If the screen door effect doesn't bother you as much, the Rift S seems like a very solid option for relatively cheap, and you'll get a little more color accuracy. But holy moly, that clarity on the Reverb for text up close could make all the difference. I think I'll wait for whatever the next generation has to offer before upgrading from my CV1, but this is a good start for the next increment of VR.

[@yuemaeve]

you can certainly see the resolution advantage of the g2 against the index. but i felt a bit that the index was a bit sharper especially when it was concerning motion

[@dmacell4110]

Love to see it compared to the O+. The filter works great but its prolly fuzzy compared to the higher resolution. I preordered the G-2 and i think it looks hands down the best

[@p0ncz0]

Best through the lenses video with G2 so far, good job.

[@AdamsSIMporium]

The king of TTL videos :) Just one observation, can you try and set weather conditions in game the same when it applies? For example, the in game conditions themselves are very different in Assetto Corsa, and even in ED the lighting is very different obviously due to planet position. Regardless, as you say these videos take a long time, so much appreciated and they are great. Thanks.

[@Simlife101]

hey, i was thinking the saem. In some parts it shows the Rift S looking better than the index and better blacks lol. i take these through the lens videos with a pinch of salt

[@nico.7907]

are God rays noticeable or have they been removed on the g2?

[@zarkflappysheep]

Honestly it would be a buy from me if the field of view was equal to the index. otherwise thats my main want.