The Making of Steamed Hams but it's a Shadow Play from the Ottoman Empire

[@makowallet]

Love the observations about the architypes skinner and the superintendent fall into.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

The greatest Steamed Hams creator of all time.

[@sebdufutur6141]

The most dedicated at least

[@whatdoyousuppose]

Steamed köfte 😂 as a Turk I really enjoyed this! And am floored you did it all by yourself! The sprinkles of Türkçe were much appreciated (“allah halla ya my roast is ruined” is a vocal stim for me rn lol), and if you ever wanted to go about doing a full Turkish translation I’d be so here for it (especially bc the original episode did not have a Turkish dub)! ellerine sağlık 👏👏👏👏👏

[@TyroneDeise]

Thanks. That would be cool.

[@WaterShowsProd]

I work with international puppet festivals and have seen Turkish shadow puppets (actually a troupe from Cyprus), and I have to commend you on your design and presentation. I shared the video in a group chat with puppeteers around the world, some of whom work with shadow puppets. By the way, have you heard of Wayang Fusion, who designs and makes Malaysian shadow puppets based on pop culture icons like DC and Marvel superheros, and quite famously Star Wars? Even Mark Hamill tweeted about them, and they appeard in Star Wars Magazine. They are one of the groups that I work with at festivals.

[@TyroneDeise]

Thanks. I’m surprised I didn’t come across them while doing my research. Their puppet design is really nice.

[@User-12hfitktot]

​@@TyroneDeise never have i thought that the comedy that steamed hams had was even before steamed hams was a thing

[@furkanyilmaz0]

I'm in awe of how much effort and care you put into your projects. But this one has a special place with me, since I've grown up watching these Karagöz shadow plays. It's a beautiful tradition and I'm happy that you were also interested. Also as a fun fact; Karagöz and Hacivat are historically believed to be real people. They are said to be construction workers during a construction of a mosque in around 13th-14th century Bursa. They've always got into verbal fight with eachother and got the laughs of all of the workers. After the Sultan Orhan heard of their infamous reputation, he decided to execute them because they were causing a delay to the construction. There is a very good film called "Killing the Shadows" about this very subject.

[@thenutella8846]

Despite being from Turkey I never watched shadow puppet shows, they never really got me interested enough to go out of my way for them. It's funny that the first time I watched a shadow puppet show in full; it's for this meme. You good sir, have dedication to your craft. I am still waiting for the opera and Japanese kabuki versions.

[@alender6200]

an artstyle that steamed hams still need is kabuki theater. music and overacting

[@bobalinx8762]

Yes!

[@SCUBADlVER]

you have no idea how fucking much i want to make this a reality but i cant act and have nobody to play a second character. i hope somebody with them means to make this sees this idea and brings it to life

[@alender6200]

@@SCUBADlVER i would play in the kabuki hams, though i guess you dont live in my neighbourhood

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

There is another way that is uniquely Japanese: Utsushi-e. Basically Japanese Magic lantern shows. They were all the rage as a step up to the Kamashibai street theater but something common folks can afford as Kabuki is not a "popular" entertainment despite it featuring common folks...

[@moistenvelopes]

Ya

[@mnurkose7316]

I wholeheartedly thought you got help from a Turk to do this! It's such a faithful adaptation of an Ottoman shadow play. Fez' off to you, sir!

[@Ghiaman1334]

Absolutely loved this and all the Steamed Hams of yours. Picking from various diverse methods of storytelling, old and new, from all kinds of cultures, really shows the enduring power of a simple but effective story, and the way presentation and effort can elevate a concept from merely a nice idea to a phenomenal work of art. I hope you find it as fulfilling to make these as your audience finds them to watch, and that they may continue for yet more years to come.

[@TyroneDeise]

Thank you.

[@ostriend6011]

As a certified Turk loved the video and the effort behind it. I think you somewhat captured the true essence of shadow play. Altho it could be perfected with real shadow play parts such as Mukkadime(entrance) where Hacivat comes from the left side of screen with his song, reads "Screen Ghazal" and after that calls out Karagöz. Karagöz looks down from his window and tells him not to yell but Hacivat continues which ends up with Karagöz jumping out from the window to beat Hacivat and they run around abit.( this is why Karagöz has a moveable arm, yes just to hit and cause havoc) With that next part is Muhavere(conversation) this isnt the main part of the game, here its mainly misunderstandings of Karagöz's which is caused by Hacivat using foreign words to him. The topic can be anything from daily life to what they had eaten last night. Next part is Fasıl(chapter) which is the main and the longest part. Other charecters like Zenne( a male in female clothes), Tuzsuz Deli Bekir( drunkard tough guy), Beberuhi( a dwarf). The last part is Bitiş(ending) where Karagöz and Hacivat excuses themselfs if there was any mistakes made during the play and they announce when and where they will preform again. Altho you probably researched all of this but it was hard to implement it on steamed hams which is understandable. Now for some fun facts about Shadow Play: According to some sources, Karagöz and Hacivat were construction workers in Bursa in early Ottoman years, working on Grand Mosque of Bursa. They wouldnt stop bickering with eachother which their fellow workers loved to watch. Soon their fame spread around the Bursa where local towns people would gather around them just to watch them but this delayed the construction of mosque heavily which Sultan wasnt fan of. He ordered to find what was the main cause and when he learned that it was them he ordered their execution. After their death, one of the fans of Karagöz and Hacivat, Sheik Küşteri, wants to imortalise them and makes their puppets. To this day local Bursaians keep them and Shadow Play as their tradition. In a travelbook of an European traveler that I forgot the name of, he mentioned that this was such an inappropriate and disgusting game because Karagöz had a moving dick piece which he used it to slap Hacivat in the face. Once again (sorry that I wrote alot), overall it was great and thank you for your efforts.

[@RedKincaid]

This is what art is all about for me

[@tritonis54]

These behind the scenes videos are really cool ! It’s very interesting to have all these art forms applied on the same material. It really help to showcase the medium since the concept of the story and of the characters are already known to the viewer.

[@thegodwiwi]

Tysm for releasing these bts i always wanted to know how some of these were made

[@cannonballking7]

Man it's such a joy to see the behind the scene's of such delightful art! Keep up the great work, and have a lovely day :)

[@tobytawaqal3678]

Hacivat in turkish is pronounced Ha-gee-vat, other than that this is a much appreciated effort 👏

[@BKBLUEY]

I can’t wait to see the making of the Banned in the USSR one.

[@pepperoniboy57]

One thing of note is we would say "yardım edin" or "imdat" when calling out for help and not just "yardım" as it is a noun

[@deadlybaconman4467]

I loved that one! did you use incense or something for the smoke effects?

[@TyroneDeise]

That’s exactly what I did. :)

[@alekzomer]

One of the greatest "Steamed Hams but ___" i have ever seen

[@ThisHandleIsDefinatelyTaken]

Fascinating! I tend to love mixtures of wildly different influences, especially when they click as they hearken back to a distant shared tradition.

[@galgramax6713]

This is up there with some of the other great cultural steamed hams memes I've seen (alongside the banned soviet cartoon and the traditional hebrew song) so seeing some behind the scenes on how it was actually made is awesome to see.

[@MattAndImprov]

You puppeteered both puppets, each with one hand?!?! Like chopsticks?!?!

[@samuelbucher5189]

I think this is how this shadow theater is supposed to be done. A single person responsible for the visuals (pupper crafting and animation) and audio (music and voices).

[@MI-gn9lg]

I love it even more after seeing this explanation.

[@cmbaz1140]

Nice work. Really cool to see it done this way.

[@peglin5117]

I never imagined the puppets to be so big

[@julinaonYT]

It's so amazing and hard work. I really appreciate it. None of it i ever knew about and its really beautiful explanation. I learned alot from your videos.

[@RafaCB0987]

The process was really fascinating

[@RainyDayForge]

I Love behind the scenes videos.

[@smugdodofart27]

This is awesome I can’t believe you’re one person the process is insane!

[@MyysticYT]

I love these parodies

[@griffinlaw9367]

3:11 Doesn't The Simpsons have an official Turkish dub?

[@whatdoyousuppose]

This season 7 episode does not actually have a corresponding Turkish dub, unfortunately! They only dubbed seasons 1-3, and 33-34. The way this aired in Türkiye was with subtitles, which I’d still like to see to get a sense of how it was translated.

[@jamesmiller2521]

How did you make Стимлянная Хамоника?

[@TyroneDeise]

I don’t have a video for that one… but I may post some of the original artwork for that.

[@dave2.077]

steamed hams is the best meme ever name one other meme that has inspired suhc creativity in every iteration

[@klewank2615]

Traditional Ottoman art is on the verge of extinction

[@columbus8myhw]

Have you seen the version done in Biblical Hebrew (complete with ritual chanting using the Book of Esther melodies) by Isaac Mayer?

[@efeugurYT]

Haciwat ve karagöz great thinking

[@efeugurYT]

Wow it would be very epic to make it turkish

[@The_Top_Hat_2]

can you do Steamed Hams but it's a CD-i Zelda game

[@Mr-Prasguerman]

I can't wait for the USSR 60's

[@raphgalban2007]

We need a Wayang version now

[@MrlolBear]

As a Turkish person it's hilarious

[@zouhito]

WOW!

[@quadrillage3838]

this was so awesome

[@giposting]

this is awesome, tysm ❤

[@gljames24]

Put a link to the video. I haven't seen the original yet.

[@TyroneDeise]

Thanks. I currently only have it the other way around.

[@homerogordo5548]

Steamed hams is a artstyle at this point

[@MAUSCHENVIDS]

Yes

[@Franz_Josef_von_Habsburg]

Cool

[@adobo_de_mondongo]

Hell yeah

[@pepehalpert9274]

haha as a turk i am so happy with this

[@fufuyaya990]

Why this recommend as if had anything same to Jojo bizarre humour lol

[@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk]

You’re the only white guy ever named Tyrone

[@TyroneDeise]

It’s an Irish name

[@AldenIsCaca]

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