U-DRAG RACE: Hyundai Ioniq 5 N vs. Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing | Quarter Mile, Handling, & More

[@edmundscars]

The Ioniq 5 N and the CT5 Blackwing may take opposite approaches to style and speed, but they come together to make a great U-Drag race! Which "5" would you want? And what other unique or opposite-approach pairings would you like to see us do? Let us know in the comments!

[@G82Watts]

M4 comp xdrive vs 5N. Ur leaderboards are super suspect when some cars u tested once in a vid and other cars like the 5N u have now tested 4 different times giving it countless chances to finally on the fourth time getting a better time. Obviously the more turns u have in the car the better times u will eventually get. Leaderboards look bogus when u think logically

[@Bimmer_Bill]

@@edmundscars run the m3 cs or Porsche panamera turbo s hybrid to put all of these other 4 doors to shame. The only 4 door that can beat them in a u drag are 1,000 hp EV’s.

[@jmmch3358]

Please do the Mustang (Dark Horse, Mach l or Shelby GT350) VS the Camaro SS1LE

[@USUG0]

you know, you can push the NGB button on the way up too. If not even a couple more times. And, if you keep comparing it with cars equipped with expensive optional carbon ceramic brakes. Maybe, you should fit them on the Ioniq5N as well

[@hassanger8128]

Why are you insisting on putting an RWD ICE against an all wheel drive EV? You did the same thing intentionally with the M4 RWD and didn't bring the X Drive. Is this a new agenda, or did you get paid by Hyundai to glorify their new microwave?

[@리니온아빠]

If you watch Ioniq 5 N running at Nurburgring, it's incredible. Cornering is good. Braking is good. It outruns most of performance vehicles.

[@doudymac]

Hyundai killed it. It's a great package all around. Even beat the faster Model 3 Performance by 1:45 min on the Nurburgring.

[@InsaneBimmer]

It's garbage just like your opinion.

[@Bigboss-br8gw]

Other channels are only showing the speed but this channel is also showing cornering, braking and speed..etc. Much better

[@Cakebattered]

Its the only KZbin head to head I immediately click on.

[@thelegend3981]

I own a 5N and man what a great car. That blackwing is still no joke.

[@francoinyourmind]

hyundai evs are so clean

[@rasro]

Yeah, but $40,000 more just to get the V8 sound ?!? 🤔

[@InsaneBimmer]

Spoken from an honest cuck. Good for you.

[@hashaliphilemonasher6136]

Hyundai ioniq 5 seems to be a real deal. So many videos here and there against Hyundai ioniq 5. Hyundai proved its capabilities😂😂😂

[@burningknuckle26]

its a real beast.

[@uribury871]

IONIQ5N is becoming some kind of measuring tool.

[@MrJeffhart24]

Performance galore for the money but that interior of the Caddy smokes the Ioniq. And as it should considering the 30-40k difference.

[@hder9]

And it is still family car. 5 door, huge space and huge boot

[@MrJeffhart24]

​@@hder9Looked at it myself. Lease sucks.

[@robsan9017]

For EV's...sure

[@ymlccc]

M3CS made ionic5N looks like an ICE car. you will find it on youtube.

[@madeTop]

Hyundai Ioniq 5 Nは、Nurburgringサーキットを通常の出荷車に2変更を完了した最初の車です。ポルシェタイカンもチューニングした車で大変に2変わりました。 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Nは一般的な生活とスーパーカーの生活を可能にします。😄😄😄👍

[@kiwibro-vu2sy]

あなたは例外的な日本人ですね、韓国といえば無条件悪く評価するのがインターネット日本人の特徴ですが。

[@amanti113]

It's a racing car standard : fast or slow than Ionic 5 N 😅😮😢😊😊😊

[@klkh2002]

The Ioniq is an incredible car. The Hyundai engineers have done a remarkable job with this car. Unlike a Tesla, this is a proper performance car

[@dontrustwhiteyevery1]

Plaid faster.

[@klkh2002]

@@dontrustwhiteyevery1 - and the Lucid Air Sapphire is faster than the Plaid. Your point?

[@InvestBetter.]

The Hyundai is a half second faster, 0-60 and never lost that advantage I don't think its a matter of the Cadillac was bad. It's that the Hyundai was that good Good enough to not lose the advantage, at the top end Hyundai builds another winner

[@dustythibodaux]

If the Cadi was AWD it would be another story.

[@InsaneBimmer]

When have they ever built a winner? Bwahaha

[@InvestBetter.]

@@InsaneBimmer Your ignorance is duly noted. Carry on.....

[@MotionSickGamer1]

As an ATS owner I was hoping for the Caddy. But the Ioniq 5 is impressive for sure! Hope they put the tech into other cars, and other brands follow suit.

[@Godz3211]

Love the black wing but man Hyundai is doing something with their N division. I’m excited for future editions of their N if they keep heading this direction. Really want the N74…

[@4literv6]

I cant wait to see the lighter aerodynamically sleeker&more powerful i6N 2025 model next year vs the new tesla 2024 m3p. And then the 2025 tesla model Y juniper performance vs this i5n&the about to be updated Kia ev6 gt facelift. 👍🏻😀

[@jeremiahlynn9584]

If they did a full production run of something similar to the N Vision as its smaller and lower, it would be amazing.

[@tylerhauk6737]

I love the black wing and the I5 is on my short list for next vehicle, holy cow I did not expect this result though. Super impressive Hyundai. 👏 👏 👏

[@V8Supercar1]

Im shocked they thought the Caddi would win. Instant torque and awd is a huge deal. And 600hp is definitely enough for it to stay ahead before the end of the race.

[@rustynail7866]

Cool. Now let’s do a cross country.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@rustynail7866 what real world applicability is there to a cross country race?

[@aussie2uGA]

@@rustynail7866of course… Let’s see it tow, let’s see it go off road, let’s see it handle a blizzard… Every time a car loses, people compensate.

[@justme307]

@@rustynail7866 Sorry, that's not what U-Drag is about.

[@MrJeffhart24]

The better U Drag would be the Ioniq vs a 24 Model 3 Performance.

[@christrees664]

Not sure if it's for effect, the NGS button being pressed. But if it is being pressed late on when up to speed then the results are ultimately poorer for the N. The biggest advantages come from higher "average" speeds. So using it at lower speeds increase the average speed across the run.

[@augustortiz]

Those Ioniq’s are making everyone sweat.

[@G82Watts]

Yea becuase they are using an AWD EV vs. RWD gas cars. Hardly a fair race. Also that edmunds u drag vs a RWD m4 and not the XDrive.. it was an AWD vs RWD and the m4 still almost won. Clearly the lighter car then the m3, if the m4 coupe was the XDrive version it would of won easily in that race. For some reason they don't want an even match up

[@jledge8715]

😂 They're really not

[@jghall00]

@@G82Watts Bruh, you keep repeating the same thing about BMW superiority. Did you not hear them say in the video the Ioniq improved its time? It's ahead of the xDrive on the leaderboard now. What type of enthusiast are you? Just because a car gets beat doesn't mean it's a bad car. I'd watch a Honda Fit do U-Drags.

[@augustortiz]

@@jledge8715ok.. a 60k hyundai just gapped the US’s quintessential 100k$ sports sedan with more power and an M4 which is the gold standard for sports sedans. I hate EV’s as much as the next guy but legacy automakers have gotten way too lazy and offer very little value for money. Hell did you watch The smoking tires video on the CLA35? 62k for that POS. Id grab the Hyundai over that any day.

[@augustortiz]

@@jghall00hes a troll. Youll find hundreds. The little Hyundai gapped his little G82 lol

[@rdytogo9803]

IONIQ in SUV form beats sports cars. I am even more excited about the IONIQ 6 N because it is in the form of a sports car.

[@ENnoobz]

Good drivers, great cars and very good video 👍

[@JayEmTee85]

Hyundai needs to fix the sound modes for more fun in funnest settings and add a nos tank release noise from fast and furious when hitting the ngb button

[@mark_grey]

a nice idea!

[@Cakebattered]

Brilliant idea. Its just a matter of programming. If Hyundai were smart, it would be a matter of users uploading their own audio files.

[@antimatter4733]

Ionic 5n casually beating a car that costs 2x as much 🤣

[@dustythibodaux]

Ioniq 5 N is about 70k the CT5V Blackwing is 80-100k definitely not double.

[@Tommmmmmmmmmmm]

That blackwing looks like something your mum would take the kids to school in

[@dustythibodaux]

@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm I mean sure. I’d still rather the Cadillac over the Hyundai.

[@antimatter4733]

@@dustythibodaux they literally give the prices as tested in the video. The Cadillac is a couple thousand off being double the price...

[@JE-zl6uy]

​@@dustythibodaux yeah.... But for 30k less, you get a car that is somehow faster than the 100k vehcile. And as a bonus, it's has the TCO of a damn Corolla. It's insane what EVs can do.

[@Hostoria499BCE]

3:23 Just love how the blackwing sounds on it's approach.

[@wanterman5641]

Wow I love the sound of the back wing, Man I love V8 I will take the Cadillac every day of the time.

[@richardwalther6229]

Not bad for the former SUV of the year winner, the Ironic 5.

[@Fasteddiebreakshearts]

🚥 Man I swear it’s like Hyundai Ioniq 5 N VS the World on KZbin…so many automotive channels using this Ioniq as a Benchmark lately… Nice little electric hatch but I’ll have to take the Blackwing with a manual transmission …you know save the manuals 🤘🏽😜🤘🏽

[@CurryGreen-tn1uk]

Yeah I just saw the drag race between Ioniq 5N and M3 CS on Sam Car legion channel …m3 CS took loniq lunch dinner and breakfast 😂

[@onehorsepower]

Except it's not little. Interior space similar to a Porsche Cayenne...

[@CurryGreen-tn1uk]

@@onehorsepowerbro what does that have to do with the price of tea in china … I’m sure nobody viewing a u drags race cares about interior volume …you sound like your drive something soulless with one horsepower 😂

[@onehorsepower]

@@CurryGreen-tn1uk the world is not completely crazy, when a significantly smaller, more track focused car that cost twice as much to buy and (for me literally) 5x more to run, is faster... not being obnoxious, just facts. If lucky, the absolute depreciation in the CS will be lower, but however you turn it still paying double (or losing out in other investments) as much in interests. I wouldn't mind a M3 CS touring, but it doesn't fit my space requirements as well and is just so much more to run/own. And 5N actually won in R&T comparo for driving fun vs the M3 rwd manual. Some nice choices for driver enthusiast either way....

[@onehorsepower]

@@CurryGreen-tn1uk well at least I have some fun cars on my channel, contrary to you...and I have 3 kids so yeah, I'm happy there is something as roomy and still great fun to drive without completely ruining the family budget...

[@jamessellards7157]

Wow, the Hyundai. But man that Cadillac sounds so good.

[@usonumabeach300]

Are y'all hitting the NGB with at least 10 seconds of race left?

[@8180lebois]

Disclaimer: I’m not an EV fan or convert, although I get some specific beneficial use cases. That said, and politics and the blah blah aside, from a purely technical perspective, with a car like the Ionic N it feels like we’re at an inflection point, like when good quartz watches turned the mechanical watch industry on its head. I for one would love to see how manufacturers adapt and respond to keep feeling, sound, interaction and emotion very much a part of the performance car experience; and with performance at least on par with, or better than pure EV performance. Although right now it seems like that is destined to become quite a niche market.

[@Cakebattered]

The Ioniq 5 N is a glorified baby hauler. Imagine when manufacturers start making dedicated EV sports cars.

[@joelpeterson2074]

Love the Ioniq5N, but this was over for me as soon as they revved the Blackwing. Just no comparison.

[@mad636man]

although this type of head to head can be swayed by driver performance with any given car, it is by far my favorite head to head setup on the internet.

[@clubracer6]

These are awesome. The outcome was expected, but still hurts for some reason.

[@Asiansxsymbol]

Can the boost button be used twice during the whole run (once during the 1/4 mi and once on the way back?

[@janhsan4269]

The boost button continues to be available every 10 seconds.

[@chaostar88]

Don't you have 5n battery settings? There is a drag mode.... You have to press ngb there and start it....

[@danielaylett2735]

I haven't recieved my i5n yet so excuse my ignorance but why wasnt the NGB used twice? Is it because its used on the launch?

[@talonsil]

10 second boost with 10 second cooldown

[@nodozepills]

Hyundai means "modern," but they're also thinking for the future

[@LYG4F]

Holy shit this race was exciting to watch, I can't imagine how it was for the drivers 🔥🔥🔥

[@AcuraChannel]

I want to see the ioniq vs Acura NSX Type S next! Good race. Enjoy these type of races. That Ioniq is fast!

[@루이스-c4x]

I really want to see the competition between Panamera Turbo S (642HP) vs Ioniq5N!

[@bobhawkey3783]

Just bought a regular Ioniq 5. Now I'm making engine sounds with my mouth. I'm sure it's just the same.

[@mikeely9732]

When are you going to compare against the new model 3 performance?

[@reggiewhite4111]

That little thing is nuts. We need it against an Eray or a GTS or something like that.

[@onoolapoabodunde]

I want to see the M5 CS vs the 5N

[@hassanger8128]

The M5 CS will slaughter that cheap microwave. The M3 CS did that yesterday on Sam video

[@woodahl]

M3 CS has already spanked t the 5N

[@S.Madman]

@@woodahl What, the Ionic 5N just bested the xdrive M3 comp. Did you see the updated chart??

[@Bimmer_Bill]

@@S.Madman it finally matched it 32.9 seconds. The m3 cs is faster that the m3 comp xdrive which I own btw and fwiw this years m3 comp xdrive has 20 more horsepower than the one they tested.

[@S.Madman]

@@Bimmer_Bill I am just surprised that a car that is a lot cheaper, can beat an M3 comp Xdrive.

[@JaredDixon]

I have an equal love for both of these automobiles for very different reasons. This would make a fantastic 2 car garage.. or maybe 2/3 of a 3 car garage.

[@WeirdBrick]

The caddy has less WHP! Yet they keep saying it has more power but as usual forget that electric cars suffer virtually no drivetrain losses! Why does no one on these type of races bring this up? Carwow have not mentioned it in 5 years. All that matters is WHP. A 500hp electric car has the same WHP as a 560-600 combustion engine car depending on RWD or AWD. Plus has a fatter power band at these speeds they race.

[@Cakebattered]

Great points. GM authority put a 2022 on the dyno and got 622WHP. Thats less than the 640HP of the Ioniq 5N.

[@CodyCha]

@@Cakebattered5n is rated at 600hp without using the n-grin button. It also weighs 500lb more. On paper, Blackwing should have won no matter how you crunch the numbers

[@arunkumar194912223]

Ev6 vs NSX!!!! Plzzz

[@P51]

yep they're equal. would come down to driver

[@rhks41dn]

1억 이하 최고의 스포츠카... 아이오닉5N 👍

[@Audi1Pete]

Ioniq 5 N vs 911 Turbo s

[@standingwithfaith4813]

whoah the n is awesome

[@rodneyjohnson670]

I've seen your videos with a challenger, gt 500, blackwing ang c8 corvettes. Why no zl1 camaro?

[@TheMadmax0609]

I still love internal combustion but it's simply outmatched now.

[@doublehh666]

Both cars are excellent for their respective segment categories. Can’t lose owning either in other words…because you won.

[@Jackson-son]

V. Respectful Channel due to their credibility ... Unlike Other channels Fake results

[@hassanger8128]

Nothing credible here. They are you insisting on putting an RWD ICE against an all wheel drive EV. They did the same thing intentionally with the M4 RWD and didn't bring the X Drive. Is this a new agenda, or did they get paid by Hyundai to glorify their new microwave?

[@Jackson-son]

@@hassanger8128 Go to CARWOW CHANNEL Ioniq5 vs amg gt 585bhp AWD u will get the same result Ok i agree, there should be Roll game as well to the drag race

[@adamwright9741]

Hey guys that has to be one of the best thumbnail pictures on KZbin! It really grabs you. I hope you don't change a thing.. except for the cars haha

[@WickedIonic5N]

Another win 🏆 😅

[@derjoh1986]

I am so disappointed that a newcomer hatchback just dominates the sports car industry this badly. But I guess these are the signs of the times. Cadillac should add electric motors to the front wheels of this Cadillac CTS-V to take advantage of all wheel drive, especially on drag races like this.

[@MLHunt]

"New Age S(e)oul". Clever

[@alistairweaver1336]

I try…

[@Roddy451]

I like both the "Bionic" and the "Batmobile".

[@pierrecastanets1974]

Blackwing sounds incredible

[@rjfriedman5658]

I like this video and I like all past u drag videos but I feel like there’s better cars to race against each other I haven’t necessarily been liking the matchups lately, but I love the concept

[@728GT]

Wow. Honestly wow

[@cryingbug134]

When you use the NGB, u'd better use it in constant torque range. not in the constant power range.

[@urbanstrencan]

Old school vs New school ❤❤

[@keenanjeff]

Next do the made in America 2024 model 3 highland performance VS the INIQ N

[@runany1]

This is taking too long for them to do this comparison.

[@GustavoMadrigal-zv4rs]

Also no one has raced the new Mach e gt without the 5 second limiter when it had the 5 second limit everyone wanted to race it now that it’s gone they won’t race it

[@deanmcmanis9398]

The New M3P is exactly the American performance car that can beat the Ioniq 5 N! But as yet, Edmunds has not even raced the Tesla Model S Plaid (let alone with the Track pack) So they will have to prove that this U-Drags is not just a race comparison of their advertiser's cars.

[@lancemannion4113]

I think it's pretty obvious the plaid will annihilate this thing. The (US spec) 3 performance has been shown to outrun it as well. Teslas head start will pay huge dividends.

[@keenanjeff]

@@lancemannion4113 the N is ready for the track but the M3P is faster on the street, model S plaid is out of their price range and not as good handling as these two.

[@davidmatiussimonteiro4579]

Cadillac sounds wonderful. Period.

[@Noneofyourdambusssiness]

That little box is quick! 😅

[@stlswagger]

Love this race catalyst. EV racing is boring. Never won't be boring. Consistency isn't always fun or human

[@CIRCLEDARK]

They reused the same footage of someone pressing the NGB button for both races like we don't have eyeballs.

[@burningknuckle26]

Bro how is the Ioniq 5 N such a friggin beast. Bravo Hyundai. mad respect. kinda crazy to think China has EVs like the Su7 max that have 664hp for around $41k

[@woodahl]

Having raced against plenty of 5-V Blackwings, I’m convinced they do NOT put out the stated horsepower. I have never lost.

[@mmanzanozr1]

This is the only EV i would consider buying, it's a cool little car

[@MrSupersaiyangoku]

Do the Blackwing vs NSX since they should be neck and neck by your leader board

[@venom999333]

Just started the vid. Regardless of the outcome I'm taking the Blackwing. With a 6 spd manual

[@trstnhn]

Taking? Who is giving you either of the cars? I'm sure you're not going to buy the $130k caddie and no one is giving you it either.

[@venom999333]

@@trstnhn 🤫 just take your Corolla and drive back to your parents house 🤐

[@trstnhn]

@@venom999333 You know, I do have a corolla, but I also have 5 other cars and looking to add one more. It's so funny seeing randoms on the internet that don't know anything about the person they are talking to trying to talk shit and failing miserably.

[@venom999333]

@@trstnhn kinda like you kid

[@baddas380]

Can you guys use Kg as well on the weight for the rest of the world that are more familiarized with that scale, thanks!

[@maynezoscar]

That blackwing is still gorgeous and sounds great.

[@damnationswarhead8005]

All whell drive ,massive instant torque,didnt see that one coming:P

[@zali9657]

I don't get it. How did the 5N loose to the M3 CS on sam car legion channel but the 5N best the Black Wing

[@yudhisetyawan1134]

Is ioniq5 sale in usa market ?

[@runany1]

Yes and has been. Ioniq 5 for couple years and Ioniq 5 N this year.

[@Steph-lv5fg]

The Caddy is still the car that will impress, and excite the most.

[@kenyajohnson3171]

It’s typical awd vs rwd only. Awd cars usually win even with less horsepower because they have the traction to put it down. If the CT5 Blackwing was offered with awd it’d be a different race for sure.

[@KoreanBeautyOwner]

AWD exotic cars lost too...

[@vr6gls]

I’ll still take the Blackwing any day. EV’s are fast but have no driver involvement or character.

[@ilketama5982]

I think ioniq vs m8 would be a good match up

[@williamferguson1396]

Tesla model 3 performance vs ioniq 5 n! Both 2024. Would be a great race.

[@KoreanBeautyOwner]

No chance S has weak weak brake

[@Traumatree]

Anyone really surprised here? Come on... it was written in the sky!

[@sungkim742]

The magic of EV. Heavier and less power but due to the constant power delivery it beats ICE.

[@BiiYAAAA]

If the lighter M3 wasnt going to make it the outcome was clear but fun to seee, I bet the EV6 gives the Caddie a good run ..

[@piksnapper]

Okay time for the Highland...

[@Hazdazos]

I'd take the Caddy any day, every day. A 0.1 second here or there means nothing when you have a manual V8 in a luxury sedan.

[@volcalstone]

Too bad it's twice the price at $120K so it's not a 1 to 1 comparision.

[@carloslewis8448]

Too much money for a Cadillac built here in America...just not worth that type of money

[@USUG0]

never mind, they could push the NGB button on the way up too. If not even a couple more times. And, they keep comparing it with cars equipped with expensive carbon ceramic brakes. Maybe, they should fit them on the Ioniq5N as well. So, it is more like a couple of seconds, and literally almpst half the price

[@425superRocket]

Same here. 99.9999 percent of the time, the EV is going to win. Just a computer on wheels. Give me a 6 speed manual ICE vehicle any day of the week. Nothing engaging about EV's. I prefer to have control of my cars, not just going along for the ride.

[@USUG0]

@@425superRocket and yet, carmakers keep ditching manuals for auto. I wonder why

[@wittech6116]

“I think we got this!” 5 car lengths is apparently a very close race.

[@jyAhn-iq4eg]

5n max power is battery drag mode on! soc 80% over motor s+ with Ngb

[@TheKingxj]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[@sdiver68]

Ioniq N vs Tesla Model 3 Performance please! I know the Hyundai will win a track session, but the M3P might have a chance in this format.

[@KoreanBeautyOwner]

No chance weak brake.

[@FordPickUPRed]

A modified Kia Stinger beat a Black wing in the quarter mile at Cayuga speedway, twice..

[@randythomas8738]

... the Ionic 5N is a game changer & a sign of things to come...a gearhead from way back, the times they are a changin' boys, and I say that I can't wait!... it's going to be fun!... and I have to say that at a street or drag race, I never heard anyone say "but that sounds nicer ", "but it has a manual" or "but it has a nicer interior!"... C8 are great, have fun!...😊

[@aussie2uGA]

Ok what’s the game changer we haven’t seen from Tesla a decade earlier?

[@B41L3Y]

Always something faster. Still prefer petrol.

[@justme307]

@@aussie2uGA 10 years ago Teslas weren't running 11.2.

[@aussie2uGA]

@@justme307 Um, the 2015 Model S was running 10.9 in the 1/4.

[@justme307]

@@aussie2uGA 2015 Model S P85D tested by Car and Driver ran 11.8 and tested by Motor Trend 11.6.

[@mhousto20]

I would like to see throttle position for the Brit driver for the entire run in the Blackwing. You would think the electrics would be flying off the lots.

[@user-lm8sf7ub5u]

내연기관 자동차가 전기차와 비슷한 가속력을 낸다는것이 대단하다

[@jonspeed9570]

Need to see ioniq 5 N vs Plaid

[@ChosenMJ]

Why? The 5N can’t even run with a Model S LR. When it can beat 10.6@130mph then we’ll talk but the Plaid would beat in its “sport” mode.

[@letdothisman1139]

Like to see the nline go up against model 3 highland performance US spec

[@abulhashem-jc9mv]

Do m3 CS vs ioniq 5n! I know it’s been done Sam’s channel, but people have mixed feelings about it.

[@kaos42o79]

It only takes 5 minutes to put gas in the Cadillac.

[@mowcowbell]

It takes 1-2 seconds to plug in the 5N.

[@garyclark6747]

The I5N’s get up and go was an advantage. I’m surprised it didn’t get reeled in. 😳 11:11

[@Bimmer_Bill]

The lt4 crank hp is slightly overrated. They’re make about 570 at the wheels. No surprise.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Bimmer_Bill is that slightly overrated to have around a 15% drivetrain loss?

[@runany1]

@@Bimmer_Billand I5N HP is under rated.

[@Bimmer_Bill]

@@runany1 💯

[@Bimmer_Bill]

@@ALMX5DP its a little more than 15% and yes that means SLIGHTLY overrated, especially when we’re talking modern drivetrains and compare to European cars. Do you know what the word “slightly” means?

[@GrandMasterPurp]

Do a M5 CS next