AMD's New iGPU Is Impressive - Radeon 880M Benchmarks

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Presenter: Kyler Himes
Videographer: Kyler Himes & Michael Pellow
Writer: Anonymouse, Brett Sticklemonster, and Kyler Himes
Editor: Catlin Stevenson
Thumbnail Designer: Michael Pellow or Reece Hill

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

why are there no discrete gpus with this kind of power efficiency for htpcs and so on. its mind blowing

[@jonny2085]

Why would you need GPUs at 30 watts in a pc? Just get a 4060 that will do 120 watts. Or get a mini pc with an amd apu

[@dogdie147]

@@jonny2085 portability, let me take this clunky mini-itx on an air plane, oh wait not screen no power connector to hook it up. For LAN an ITX pc make sense but a laptop is far more compact and complete

[@NoovGuyMC]

​@@jonny2085if you can get a similar performance with lower wattage you're better off with that

[@JohnSmith-sk7cg]

A large part of why these are power efficient is that they're all in one chip. This reduces signal noise through less travel; unified shielding; precisely matching component timing; greatly shortening transmission delay (for the gpu components, not the overall information chain when you include RAM), and reduces the need for heat generating components to clean and step up/down voltages as they transit across the boards. This means the end result would be a GPU that delivers worse performance per dollar without being able to match the efficiency of integrated chips.

[@drewnewby]

@JohnSmith-sk7cg Apples to apples, exactly right. Reality of it is a bit more messy. A dedicated GPU has up to 75 W to play with from the PCIe bus. So while losing on efficiency, due to lower die cost and higher performance, value comes out ahead. While there are not many cards like this, it's more to do with how budget cards come to be, as binned higher performance dies. Having a separate tape-out for a low power dedicated die just isn't happening these days. They however love these APUs because the margin is much higher for this consumer segment.

[@80sALT]

The 880m is not enough of a performance jump to be the next Z extreme.

[@drewnewby]

The idea many have is the 890M in the HX 370 is the replacement. The problem is that die is too expensive for that to happen in handhelds. Then Strix Halo is much too large. Until there's a binned APU that retains 890M performance, while cutting cost down from the HX 370 die, chances are slim to see these in anything but overpriced mini PCs or "thin & light" laptops.

[@LouisDuran]

true. Should go with the upcoming Lunar Lake CPU. LL will have better single core performance and lower power and probably slightly better iGPU.

[@handlemonium]

​@@LouisDuran Hopefully, or even "Strix Halo" low-end coming next year (N4X+N3E node, 12 x Zen5 + RDNA 3.5, 20CU "895M"/1660 Super equivalent @ 22-27W) If not then probably "Medusa Point" coming 2026 (N3P+N3E node, 12 x Zen 6 + RDNA 5, 16CU "980M"/3050 equivalent @ 22-27W).

[@LuciusAugustusRex]

it is at lower TDPs. What used to take 28W on the 780M now only take 20W on the 880M. What used to be possible at 15W can now be done at like 12W or lower.

[@stevenrichman7101]

Could be that we see a custom handheld version where the CPU is cut down a bit in favor for a boosted up GPU (think of different power levels). Let's see :) iam also interested in strix halo

[@gijoeljamesmaldonado]

WHERE'S MY BRETTFAAASSSSTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

We going hungry today, boys! 🗣

[@justonlyjohn6596]

Ssure I felt that some days too, is it pednatic to find w;hat you said relatable,,, would I find a new bud in YOU..... asking

[@asphalt2554]

i ate it :3

[@epic_iram]

Its sunday king

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Really impressive chip definitely agree it should be sub 1k range

[@ookami-chan3328]

the great efficiency makes me really excited for a rx 8600 or whatever it'd be called! If they give it a 12gb or 16gb vram, this could be a solid low consumption 1080p gpu!

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

they need to win significantly in their own games like really nvidia owning like everything gaming now

[@TheNetRiper]

LOL at $1,400 go buy real gaming laptop with dGPU. You will be much happyer.

[@BerserkerAsura]

They buy these laptops for power efficiency.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

true though same priced gaming laptop will offer better fps and graphic quality in gaming

[@rajshashank202]

@@BerserkerAsura I agree, but I think op is saying if you want gaming performance only then at 1400usd you should get a gaming laptop rather than this laptop, which is also a correct take, but it seems like you both are saying for different market lmao.

[@BerserkerAsura]

@@rajshashank202 You absolutely can get better gaming performance. But the whole point of these laptops are efficiency and these chips are crucial for handheld consoles.

[@Troy-ih8gb]

I get your point but i like my 14 inch Lenovo yoga with a integrated gpu, cus its so small. So it can be easily taken anywhere, and i only game a t home at my pc so no big laptop needed here

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

7:17 Robin is finally becoming Nightwing.

[@Enum_Dev]

Imagine what these APUs would do if modern developers actually optimized their games

[@kurtwinter4422]

I love how the 680/880 only appears in laptops with NV dGPUs

[@ZadesLegacy]

Great video! Small point... You dont need to configure how much of the ram goes dedicated to the igpu. That was required in the past, but Ryzen is smart enough to do that dynamically as it needs it. Dedicating RAM as VRAM will in most cases just limit how much RAM your CPU has access to a fixed number. The only time you need to dedicate ram to the igpu is for legacy programs that spit out errors since they don't understand how the dynamic memory allocation works and will think the system does not have enough VRAM to run it.

[@jorge69696]

I bet the reason you are seeing a power drop in CS2 is the inter-ccx latency. It destroys cpu performance in games that use more than 4 cores. Geekerwan covered it and disabling the extra "small" cores improves performance.

[@thomashenderson3326]

This architecture baked a bit more with a bit higher clocks and a 40ish peak watt target would make for a killer steam deck v2.

[@MrBaskins2010]

thanks for putting this GPU in context in terms of function and use case

[@Tommy_The_Gun]

Sadly, it seems like those will be priced same as similar laptops with dedicated GPU... which does not make any sense... I mean you would think that since it lack GPU & only has APU, it would allow to cut the costs down, but no.... it has to pretend to be "premium"... I knew it is too good to be true. I just hope that some day some one wil make 13 or 14 inch laptop with handheld-like performance & price tag.

[@abd5139]

Its a thin and light with battery life

[@Dragnulls]

​@@abd5139yeah but a descrite graphics card will always be superior and a must have for gaming

[@abd5139]

@@Dragnulls So buy a gaming laptop

[@vabello]

Finally! A review with measurements in deli meat as all reviews should be.

[@dhruvasammeta69]

3rd, unlike the generation of "AI" cpu though💀

[@UFDTech]

What do you mean? AI 365 is a perfectly normal and sane name.

[@dhruvasammeta69]

@@UFDTech I know right! it's really sensable and open, makes complete sense and really guides the consumer well!

[@thomb.9013]

​@@UFDTechI'll stick with the 5 3550h in my laptop, ai 365 is a smaller number so it must be worse.

[@gylll_]

@@thomb.9013 oh no, bigger numbers doesn't always mean better

[@thomb.9013]

@@gylll_ no way, are you saying the Radeon RX 6500 might be worse than the RTX 4090??!?1!

[@SasquatchsCousin33]

An old man, turned 98, hosted UFD. Tried to play games.

[@everope]

Isn't it iconic

[@wjckc79]

@@everope Don't ya think?

[@rhiethreal]

16:9 is superior because it allows you mirror to a TV more easily.

[@rcvillapando]

I can’t wait for Strix Halo. This is a good taste for what is to come.

[@lehaepta]

Who on earth needs THIN laptops. Light-yes, absolutely. But who can benefit from it being 5 mm thinner than reasonable at the cost of performance?

[@tadmikowsky7520]

It must be thin. I wanna look cool like the apple ppl

[@syn010110]

excessively thin devices are such a huge compromise on cooling, port selection, internal upgrade capacity, everything. it's just bad. they look all futuristic and cool, but you give up so much for those looks.

[@lehaepta]

@@tadmikowsky7520Even Apple devices are thick now, because it looks like engineers finally took over marketologists.

[@tadmikowsky7520]

@@syn010110 That's all well and good, but I just wanna look cool

[@TheSpacemanSal]

I wonder if not allocating RAM specifically to the GPU & CPU would help stay away from it throttling as bad. Could be worth testing to see the difference of letting the BIOS and OS decide where it needs the RAM at any given moment. It could be giving an artificial bottleneck.

[@theonewhobullies]

great laptop, excited for future iterations handhelds (SD - 2)

[@Sybertek]

Jagged Little Pill? Pfft... I beg to differ. Smashing Pumpkins - Melon Collie and Infinite Sadness.

[@brandonfuller3123]

If the steam deck has a custom chip with 6 Zen 5c cores (low powered) and 12 CU from 3.5 I think that would be great. Ultimately I think it's going to be a Zen 5/RDNA 4 based handheld.

[@TalonsRebellion]

Would live to see what this does at higher wattages. I get this is for efficiency, but I think it could use a bit more oomf

[@Kanecobond]

This is what Lenovo should be looking to put in its next iteration of their Legion Go 2/X, not use the same Z1 Extreme but 1up everyone else with this actual upgrade and not just more V/RAM, 2280 NVMe form factor & bigger 80whr battery (still important changes). Don't waste your time with another Z1 Extreme release... or at the very least, if you have to do a mid-generation upgrade release... just go with a normal standard 7840U/8840U for regular AMD Driver updates, instead of the slow OEM driver updates, it's a hassle to sideload every time if you want standard consistent updates.... but this better be on your next full upgrade or a refined version of it that can optimize battery drain as much as it can & TDP modes with very efficient & stable metrics. lol!

[@Panmiszcz-lv4mk]

This will maybe replace the lowest end dedicated GPUs in a couple of years

[@martibanez6320]

All that potential, only to be limited by it's TDP

[@FiveMissiles]

not bad for a thin laptop

[@gallieon8718]

Its interesting how rarely anybody questions the price tag an Nvidia powered laptop with similar graphics performance. No, it's just accepted as standard. When AMD does it at an even cheaper rate, it's unacceptable. This solidifies the belief that most expect AMD's presence in the sphere to strictly drive down Nvidia's prices. And if that's the case, I say, let them charge whatever the hell they want.

[@kaharimoore9978]

imagine when all these games support fsr 3, these handhelds will be great

[@Jester2All]

Is Kyler even old enough to have heard Jagged Little Pill when it came out? Or is he experiencing nostalgia for a time he wasn't around for? 🤔

[@Revus324]

That is really impressive for integrated graphics, mostly good enough for everything that is not recently released AAA titles. However at this price point it just seems more logical to buy a laptop with an actual GPU inside. When it gets cheaper and someday goes into the midrange laptop market it would be really nice.

[@VitisCZ]

Yes unless battery life is the most important for you in which case igpus still perform the best since dgpu has higher idle power consumption even on power saving setting

[@seeibe]

@@VitisCZ Exactly. Some people want a gaming laptop, other people want a laptop they can use for regular tasks but can also game with it. This APU is great for the latter group. Also handhelds for obvious reasons.

[@itachi7976]

@@VitisCZ also cpu last way longer thn a gpu

[@brulsmurf]

I would guess "full speed mode" goes as hard as it can, as long it's cool enough. Without better cooling you won't see any differences with the modes below it.

[@Pircla]

Can’t wait to see the full review of the laptop. Please test time to connect to another WiFi network and usb speeds, because most of the time people don’t test that. And from what is saw from Linus tech tips video, the WiFi chip is really bad.

[@yMMahmood0990]

This is tripping me up because in 2014 I had a 880m laptop from Nivida

[@JeckNoTree]

16/10 gang, for laptops and handhelds is top aspect ratio.

[@leorickg]

Well... That was a good video. Presented very well. Thank you. You can now take over the channel. Haha

[@iamnickdavis]

If it has shared memory, why can't we put 128gb of memory and give the GPU, most to do llms. I feel like that is a solid and cost effective way to run large models...

[@johnb3513]

My boy is all growed up. Great job Kyler

[@AndrzejC]

How are temperatures and fun noise at lowest setting? Also the chasis, does it get warm with lowest settings?

[@tbas8741]

Keep in mind that a mobile GPU and a Real GPU while in Game X they might have the same FPS at the same settings. The mobile GPU will not have the same image quality and will be using pixel culling and other tricks to make that higher FPS. Both at 1200P screenshot comparison will show reduction in pixel counts, colour information, and so on.

[@dhuwdhuwdhuw]

umm I have the older zenbook model with 3050ti, how is it compared? sure the form factor and power consumption of this new hardware wins all day no contest, but performance wise?

[@anthonylipke7754]

would be nice to have a common motherboard for handheld and laptop.

[@haydenb8911]

You need to use Ghelper for Asus laptops to control the wattage

[@Gruuvin1]

The Asus ProArt comes with an Nvidia 4060 GPU as well as the Radeon 890M on the AMD APU die. So, what's the advantage of that? can it use both? Can the user select the Radeon to save battery drain?

[@Ram8as]

Will you be benchmarking upcoming MINI PCs with Strix Halo in the future? because I plan on buying one to replace my desktop as I'm downsizing...my PC, and speakers...but need to invest in an eGPU so I can run my RX 6800 on it.

[@thewhiteknight9923]

For a 6800, strix halo will be more than enough. Focus on oculink and its improvements, upcoming developments and research in progress as the e gpu connection will be your only bottleneck. Unless usb/ thunderbolt 5.0 decides to appear with massive improvements over 4.0

[@Ram8as]

@@thewhiteknight9923 true that, I can't wait for the next MINI PCs with Strix Halo and occulink...did you see MinisForum's new eGPU occulink dock?

[@ManishBhartiya]

Quite impressive!

[@warnewsma]

The comparison with the PS4 Pro was ridiculous, this APU takes a beating from the M chips

[@michaellegg9381]

The 980M is better with 16 CU's it gets a solid 60fps in all AAA games at this point. Sure its low to medium and sometimes FSR or AMD frame generation but it's still a very very capable iGPU.

[@FireFoxDestroyer]

Can it run VR

[@motheroats]

I just want to see Kyler at an Alanis Morissette concert, two Queens just Queening out. Nothing by respect for MY UFD President 💅💅💅

[@Elkemper]

interesting, but i wonder for it will run on even less power limit. 8-10W is my sweet spot for a lot of games on Steam Deck, and I really hope that Valve will not make nextgen on this APU as-is. probably rdna4(.5?) could give even more fps/watt in the lowest powerdraws, so handhelds could be less chooonky boiis that new ally and legion. we need PAUWAR in the switch size!

[@aldozampatti]

100% agree on Jagged little pill

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Thanks for this well done video.

[@rcvillapando]

4:18 I want you to know~~~

[@davidschaub7965]

Did you have comparisons against The 780m, 680m, or whatever Intel passes for iGPUs?

[@felipenachmanowicz9393]

Is all the memory of this laptop GDDR?

[@KNightstyleZ]

4:24 Bro... it says "Fan Profile" on the left ofc its not gonna overclock your System

[@MrAkaacer]

Why don't you use standard resolutions like 1080p and 1440p? People don't run games at 800p and 1200p so it's difficult to compare.

[@fernr9496]

It’s because its a native 16:10 aspect ratio laptop

[@jlmpc8733]

Imagine the bill when RMAing this asus device under warranty. "pay 500€ for a cable, or we gonna send you the device back completely disassambled", when a key on the keyboard was defectinve :D

[@alephcake]

"paper thin" will probably sound so funny in 10 years time

[@lunawense6288]

It won't. Things are about as thin as they can be. You start combating physics to get much smaller than this. Things like processor efficiency and battery density would need to become significantly better to be noticeably thinner. And keyboards need travel space or they suck meaning laptops can't really get much thinner than today. You could likely cut thickness in about half but by then cars will have 2000km batteries and phones would be ridiculously powerful and last multiple days on battery. It's more likely that internet is gonna progress to the point where devices are just terminals that access dedicated servers. Internet in my city has become 10 times faster for the same prices in under 10 years. That's truly crazy.

[@_SGTM_]

imagine the upcoming nintendo console had that Chipset

[@RDS_Hadesz]

In CS2 benchmark the power in the OSD is 32W at 89FPS is this from your test and GPU boosting to 32W? Please list max power consumption in each profile by GPU.

[@Mamiya645]

That's not much different in price from the units with the same APU, IGPU and a mobile 4060 or better, why.. I'm sitting on my money until Steamdeck 2 or a hefty minisforum sale this holiday, all I want is 1080p60 stable MH Wilds be it on a 780m or not.

[@shikikanaz4624]

hope these come to cheaper laptops so that people that can afford proper gaming devices can still game

[@alexcrouse]

I won't buy a dedicated AI enabled chip until there is a direct way to disable the technology.

[@thewhiteknight9923]

I want those 75w boys to release already😭

[@syn010110]

these are awfully expensive when you can get a 4050 or 4060 laptop for the same price or less?

[@Keldozad]

I really need something like that, but in mobile phone. I'm sick and tired of this ARM risc cpus in mobile devices.

[@pigeondriver8992]

igpus on 1000$+ laptops should be illegal

[@fabsenbmx]

3.000 points in TS graphics is more than a 1050Ti. This is crazy to me

[@Mister-Wabbit]

Bro, yes, I’m scared. Can you stop calling me out?

[@papascrupple]

Did someone rip a beefer, because GPU it smells like lunchmeat

[@_SGTM_]

Nothing can beat the good old Desktop compotents

[@leophoenix1452]

Next steam deck is using something in the ball park of custom strix halo...

[@Deezeone]

why so thin??? make it thick as a finger and make the battery better to play games!!

[@shawnchalfant1595]

You say Steamdeck a lot yet you're showing the Legion Go.

[@commissioner5463]

why is the DPI so low :(((

[@weifengmao]

Strix Halo is gonna kill most low to mid teir dGPUs

[@DisbelieverH2o]

You Oughtta Know! 😂

[@Akram83681]

You could get something with better performance for half the price

[@lolpl0000]

A CUTE KITTEN AT THE END 😍😍😍😍

[@fabiankluivert8904]

Why can you only give it 8gb or ram?

[@Posh_Quack]

the names are just getting more and more confusing and it sucks

[@dreadpiratekristo]

I'm sorry Kyler, you're almost right. Jagged Little Pill would've been the best album of 1995, but All Eyez on Me by Tupac came out in 1995 too. I enjoy your videos.

[@jcg4350]

800p ? 1000p ? 1200p ? usually, resolution testing modes are either HD720p or FHD1080p.

[@fernr9496]

16:10 aspect ratio

[@CameronVanNatta]

Seeing this performance, I think it's pretty obvious that PlayStation should release a PS4 handheld.

[@mathiasmueller8240]

The DDR5 Rams will most likely overheat when gaming and then cause thermal throttling.

[@JoTokutora]

Hi, am Kylleeee....

[@322-Dota2]

what is 1000p, can you use normal resolution, not that monstrosity?

[@sergelenboldoyunbat5261]

+

[@Huub_Z]

How does it go against the 890m?

[@UFDTech]

Video incoming soon.

[@annamaria-pv1fw]

thx

[@Benchmark_Gaming_Gameplay]

Good Igpu

[@ajaypatro1554]

That zenbook right ??

[@dontmatter4423]

Handhelds should just wait for strix halo

[@alexmercer3001]

One more time, he shoves that steamdeck in front, am quitting the video.👊👊🤣

[@shifureisaikyou2055]

Asus warrenty is really bad, best to wait a while incase issues arise, you dont want to have to call asus support unless you want to spend weird fees on repairs

[@BaieDesBaies]

For cheaper you can get a laptop with a discrete GPU that will perform better.

[@Ardenict]

Yeah with 1 hour battery life while gaming

[@Jack26839]

Im starting skol son i hop the laptop is good my skol got the laptop for us