UK to Get Hundreds of New Artillery Guns From Germany

Designed as a combination of KNDS Artillery Gun Module and the Boxer 8x8 armored fighting vehicle. The German RCH 155 can shoot multiple targets at a rate of up to 9 rounds per minute with an effective firing range of up to 34 miles (54 kilometers).
Terminal-guided projectiles such as Vulcano and Excalibur can also be employed with the RCH 155
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[@flyingdutchman7757]

The ‘RCH-155′ Boxer is a further development of the ‘PzH 2000’ warhead. The development manager had the idea to put the module on a wheeled warhead. The concept was created more than 10 years ago, but then it was not appreciated either in Germany or in the US.

[@diannegooding8733]

Can’t see this nice artillery system being propelled as an EV!

[@TheHolyActivist]

It is reassuring to see how smoothly Germany and the United Kingdom collaborate on such projects. Sometimes Germany buys weapons from the United Kingdom, sometimes it is the other way around, and occasionally weapons are developed jointly. You never read about disputes over who does what, who does not want to share certain technologies, etc. It is exactly the opposite of the collaborations with France.

[@To.Si.Ma.]

Yes they want to shoot baguettes through the 140 Ascalon.

[@michaelneuwirth3414]

Deutscher 59. Ich bin ein absoluter Freund von militärischen Kooperationen. So paradox es klingt, nichts beruhigt mich mehr, wenn es Partnern auf solch einem schwierigen Gebiet gelingt, zusammen arbeiten. Wir alle wissen, woran dort letztlich gearbeitet wird und auch dass die Menschen, die sich damit befassen, mitunter ebenfalls nicht einfach sind. Klar ist aber auch, dass alles, was in unseren Gesellschaften geschieht, von einem widerlichen Mediengesocks aufgegriffen wird, die aus dem Krawall, den sie selbst inszenieren, Kapital schlagen wollen. Natürlich ist jedes Projekt immer zu teuer, kommt zu spät oder ist irgendwann veraltet, weil es irgendwo ein besseres gibt und gegenüber einem Kinderkrankenhaus wird jeder Mehrfachraketenwerfer verlieren, wenn es darum geht, wofür Steuern am besten verwandt werden sollten. Jeder Dummkopf kann also aus den Reibungen, die bei einer Zusammenarbeit nun mal entstehen, ein Drama herbeischreiben, das sich am Ende verkaufen lässt. Die Rollenverteilungen geben dabei oft Vorurteile und nationale Klischees vor, die jeder Medienprofi natürlich zu bedienen weiß. P.S.: Der Wille und die Bereitschaft zur internationalen militärischen Zusammenarbeit wird auch meiner Ansicht nach der Hauptgrund sein, weswegen das autistische Putin-Regime letztlich an seinem Krieg zerbrechen wird. Der russischen Armee wird auch keine umfassende Modernisierung ihrer Streitkräfte gelingen, wie sie unter dem Eindruck eines jeden Krieges zwangsläufig notwendig wird, denn sie hat als Ansprechpartner eigentlich nur noch Diktaturen oder Psychopathen, die allenfalls nur die brutalsten oder die rücksichtslosesten Projekte hervorbringen wird, die oft die eigenen Leute mehr gefährden als das sie dem Gegner schaden.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

there is not much collaboration in developement. The UK buys german, germany developes. Rheinmetall owns 51% of BAE Systems Land

[@TuxCommander]

Actually, as others mentioned, this system is development completed and UK "just" buying it. However, your claim is true. Collaboration projects between Germany and UK much smoother than those with France involved.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@TuxCommander because the UK is only a customer and not a co-developer. look at Boxer Developement, where the UK showed that it is just as capricious and bitchy as co-developer as france. Luckily the UK dropped out very early in case of Boxer, because their prototypes were not chosen and the german-dutch prototype was chosen.

[@dc-4ever201]

It rocks quite a bit, which would normally affect accuracy, thet could have put 4 rapid deploying hydraulic or air cushioned pads on it, however these days they use guided amunition, so I'm guessing it's less of a problem. However the Boxer does seem to be lugging that around with slight difficulty, I'm surprised they didn't add an extra axle and some length to the chassis for this particular model.

[@TheGast4321]

The rocking after the shot does not affect accuracy, even with normal unguided ammunition. The system can even fire from move (moving slowly).

[@dc-4ever201]

@@TheGast4321 I've seen the video of it firing on the move, however it's one thing to show that and another not to show the result of that outgoing fire and as a taxpayer, I'm sick and tired of Defence contractors pouring honey in the ears of Generals/Admirals selling them hardware that doesn't measure up to what was promised. I also care for a former Royal Artilleryman who saw this and thought they'd stuck a naval turret on an IFV, I said nope it's bigger it's a 155mm. He also questioned accuracy when most of the new weapons are designed around rapid fire shoot and scoot, this thing wobbling a lot in between shots reduces how fast you can fire meaning more time sat there vulnerable to counter battery fire. Firing artillery on the move is only good for guided projectiles.

[@JanFWeh]

The RCH 155 is the world's first howitzer that can precisely fire while in motion. The computer takes into account the movement of the vehicle. *This is* to avoid enemy counter-artillery fire.

[@user-su4ii9de1x]

I think there’s another gun that they are looking at which has a range of 80 and will be on MAN 10x10 chassis look up new new European howitzer

[@user-jy2lr6oh9z]

116 systems is NOT hundreds

[@flyingdutchman7757]

lol

[@mastermariner490]

It will be if they go for all 400 units

[@Kurikost_]

i wonder..will the massive recoil damage the vehicle.

[@finbarrebrennan8442]

Doesn't appear to be a very stable platform - the recoil effect on the chassis is pronounced and must affect accuracy whilst the round is travelling in the barrel. Any RA big gun experts out there?

[@Celeon999A]

That would matter for a machinegun but not for a "slow" firing artillery. The shell exits the barrel at a speed of around 950 to 1000 meters per second. So the recoil behaviour of the gun or plattform is of absolutely no signifiance to its trajectory. Its muuuuch, too fast for that to matter. There are around 7.5 seconds between each shot at the fastest firing speed. The recoil movements after a shot last for around 4 seconds. So the movements are long over before the next shell is ready to be fired.

[@TheBooban]

@@Celeon999A Good explanation. But I am more concerned about the effects on the suspension. Boxer can't last very long repeatedly firing this thing, can it?

[@williamzk9083]

Boxer with the RCH 155 module can fire on the move and is as accurate when firing on the move as when stationary in tests. The gun fires when at the correct angle. RCH stands for Remote Control Howitzer.

[@dc-4ever201]

I'm guessing with today's precision self guiding rounds, the loss of accuracy when firing is negated. However dumbfire rounds won't be accurate after the first one, it needs a blade or 4 hydrogas legs to help alleviate the recoil.

[@williamzk9083]

@@dc-4ever201 No doubt the increase in the use of guided rounds helps but It's as accurate with dumb rounds on the move as when stationary. The gun fires when it is aligned at the correct angle so any wobble from recoil or rough ground is compensated. This is how WW2 battle ship did it as well. I think movement will actually help align the gyro-compass. -The RCH gun will fit in the Boxer module.

[@regarded9702]

The joint buy between us and Germany will apparantly be ≈400 systems. Given that Germany plans to procure just less than 200 hundred, we would need to make a similar order for the joint buy to reach that much. If we really need ≈190 systems I don't know, maybe we plan on increasing our artillery?

[@flyingdutchman7757]

the number just increase 🎉

[@To.Si.Ma.]

You could reach the Bretagne.

[@jasalexander-hain2601]

ukraine has shown the need for mobile artillery that can relocate rapid after firing - avoid enemy counter battery fire

[@regarded9702]

@@jasalexander-hain2601 true. Maybe we plan on ditching towed howitzers all together? That would explain the order size.

[@jasalexander-hain2601]

@@regarded9702 towed guns are history...UAV spotters means its all about fast wheeled mobile guns

[@MarkFarrington-hb2ne]

Remember when we used to make our own kit?

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

say thanks to Thatcher and the Tories for fucking that up

[@mr.t993]

I think the engine in this is is build by MTU wich is part of Rolls-Royce.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@mr.t993 Rolls Royce is the current parent company after they bought up MTU, MTU is still situated in germany, has its board sitting in germany and developement in germany. There is nothing british about MTU. The same as it was with HK in the 90´s. Just a temporary parent company from the UK. RBSL on the other hand is 55% majority owned by Rheinmetall, produces products designed in germany, by Rheinmetall and leads the british company from germany.

[@billcook7483]

What we really need is a millitary alliance with the Daleks

[@frankthompson6503]

Better than none. 100 scimitar light recon tank 100 scorpions light recon tank 100 Saracens APC with heavier armour and four missiles and mini gun. Can all be in the same armoured platform

[@webcrawler9782]

Having an artillery on a Boxer platform is genius. Mechanics already know the platform, you can use the same spare parts and you can quickly change the carrier vehicle if it is damaged.

[@MrGrim2u1987]

Not when the boxer is a shitbox.

[@webcrawler9782]

@@MrGrim2u1987 why?

[@andrewtomlinson18]

Big enough to do real damage but small enough to hide

[@cosak23]

how can that be accurate when the recoil makes it wobble like jelly

[@cacwgm]

Just wait the 5 seconds it takes the vehicle to stabilise...

[@Rick2010100]

@@cacwgm This is because the bullet leaves the barrel at about 1,000 m per second and the recoil only starts when the bullet has already left the barrel. The speed is teh magic kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWqXgaBjeNmsaa8

[@davidreynolds3082]

We really need anti-aircarft, anti-drone, anti-missile and anti-shipping weapons foremost. Being on an island has its advantages.

[@jasalexander-hain2601]

plenty anti ship in arsenal and good attack subs, need better anti drone guns and jammers, more and better AA systems coming

[@Muschelschubs3r]

You left the EU (anne good fucking riddance), not NATO.

[@jammiedodger7040]

The engine is incorrect because the British boxer has a different engine in it.

[@Rick2010100]

According to the UK defence journal they will also get the MTU 8V199 TE21.

[@jammiedodger7040]

@@Rick2010100 The British boxes have a Rolls-Royce engine hopefully we get the tracked version as well soon.

[@martinminto5350]

If only we had the ability to produce that ourselves. Used to, world leaders at a point then....... privatisation and greed. We're gubbed in this fight with Russia.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

nah british AFVs havent been the best/world leaders since the mid 60s. Leopard 1, AMX-30, M60 all outperformed Chieftain and after Chieftain the Uk just played catchup to the germans and failed at it

[@duckmartin9853]

Last i checked the British army could be getting around 200 systems !!

[@mastermariner490]

last i heard it could be as many as 400

[@duckmartin9853]

@@mastermariner490 thats the total amount of systems that Germany, Britain and Ukraine are purchasing !!

[@SonOfMidgeslayer]

It looks a bit wobbly. The Archer howizter looks much more like the business. Nae wobbles there.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

the archer can also not fire on the move and carries only half the ammunition load and cant MRSI (multiple rounds, simultaneous impact) with more than 3 rounds reliably, the RCH155 does 5-6 rounds

[@geoffcropper1410]

I thought they'd bought the archer system. This looks like a Frankenstein bodge up.

[@greva2904]

Archer a only a stopgap apparently, and has only been bought in small numbers

[@Lt_RedNose]

And the RCH-155 is more capable

[@WILLIAM1690WALES]

With what I’ve seen of the archer already developed sophisticated, don’t understand the need for this new system?

[@bond0815]

@@WILLIAM1690WALES Its based on the modular boxer platform which the UK already uses. And it more capabale then Archer either way. Its just a better system (at least by its specifications) than archer. If the shooting while driving feature works as advertised, it would be a genereational leap from Archer (or any other mobile arterilly on the market today).

[@WILLIAM1690WALES]

@@bond0815 and that is your opinion, sometimes as we’ve seen with the Russian Ukraine war, it’s best to have various options

[@ianlaws3857]

Well thats fine but where we going to keep them . They all cost money to maintain while not being used

[@jammiedodger7040]

Still think we need a new MBT and Artillery and should develop both with a common hull. But do think boxer will play a big part of the Army and that is why tracked boxer should be order as well.

[@crypticgaming9618]

terrible idea, a MBT needs a thicker heavier hull whilst artillery needs speed and non-thick hull, wouldn't make sense and the 'common hull' system is stupid, we are already getting a new MBT anyway, not enough but stop complaining about obsolete idiotic arguments. do research

[@jammiedodger7040]

@@crypticgaming9618 It’s just an upgrade it’s not actually a new MBT it will last a decade if that. You obviously don’t understand how hulls are made you can have a MBT and Artillery on the same hull and they could have a common hull while also having different thicknesses of armour as what people don’t seem to get is common hull doesn’t mean identical. Even the Challenger had a Artillery variant and a Anti-Air variant and the Centurion was used for both as well. People used to mock modular as idiotic but now Boxer is doing well exactly because it’s modular.

[@MrGrim2u1987]

Pretty sure the Germans have moved on from the boxer platform..

[@AndreasKonig-qq7yk]

why?

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

how so?`germany is procuring close to 800 boxers in different variants over the next few years. Boxer is going to be THE multirole Platform for the german army for the next decades to come. APC, wheeled IFV, CVR, C2 Vehicle, Ambulance, 30mm cannon air defense, short range air defense with IRIS-T missiles, 155mm howitzer etc

[@saladv6069]

They JUST bought a new batch of boxers, with two different turrets no less. Boxer will be around for awhile.

[@markjess754]

Looks a very unsturdy platform.

[@parbergqvist2787]

Is that the finished product? It looks like a mismatched prototype. Will it hold up in actual battle conditions? Firing seems to put a lot of stress on the chassis.

[@stephenbroomhead4110]

1 kilo of c5 and a cheap drone there done whats the point

[@TypicalBritishperson4972]

Against a bunker or a tank? That is the point

[@dragondude6984]

They are working on drone defense as well.

[@jasalexander-hain2601]

the system is designed to fire and relocate rapid before counter battery fire homes in, they already working on mobile modules that jam UAV, anti UAV-UAV's and rapid fire anti UAV / aircraft guns - like updated gepard already exists, also, skyranger is avail

[@Muschelschubs3r]

I think it is marvelously stunning and brave by you to admit so openly that you know absolutely nothing about military stuff.

[@jasalexander-hain2601]

@@Muschelschubs3r good to see russians bots are not sleeping,,,slava ukraine

[@richardtravers8772]

Nice big Target isn't it.

[@johncrook7705]

Be warned if other countries like Europe does not like one of our policies in a conflict then supplies might be stopped of these pieces of hardware.

[@SonOfMidgeslayer]

Or other countries..... like the USA? We seem to depend a lot more on their kit than on stuff from 'those (nasty) Europe countries'

[@gilberthill9816]

Oh for God’s sake. When are we going to learn that woke equality diverse generals are crap when it comes to real combat?

[@regarded9702]

Not even remotely related to the video, obvious troll/bot.

[@Kurikost_]

true...i also think that the yellow ford mustang looks better.

[@kiethzpequit7951]

looks chunky and visible to an enemy drone

[@noodles169]

Unless we plan on invading a country, then i dont see the point of buying stuff like this. The uk is an Island. We need more ships subs and jets

[@regarded9702]

Because we lead the NATO battlegroup in Estonia, that is one of our core roles in NATO. For reference, Canada leads the Latvian one and Germany leads the Lithuanian one.

[@Jordon168]

The argument that the UK doesn’t need advanced military equipment because it’s an island nation is utterly laughable. Please understand the role that the UK plays a massive part in global security, without equipment like this, how can we do our job on global security? UK is a founding member of NATO, how can we defend NATO countries if we haven’t got this kind of equipment? The UK also participate in peacekeeping missions, how can we do that if we haven’t got these kind of equipment? As an island nation, Britain needs a strong Army, Navy, and Air Force.

[@dc-4ever201]

Seen multiple comments like this clearly aimed at making the UK insular and unable to support NATO allies, I'm guessing either daft people or Russian bots!

[@Muschelschubs3r]

You are in NATO and supposed to defend any alliance member in all three military dimensions.

[@Jordon168]

@@Muschelschubs3r Some people just don’t get it mate 😂

[@tunguyenvan7922]

Simulation It not delivery to Ucraina

[@MarkFarrington-hb2ne]

Buy-it-in-Britain

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

Britain cant develope shit if their life depended on it, because they basicly killed their domestic AFV/SPG industry over the 80´s and 90´s and the factories and developement bureaus closed down in the early 2000´s. There is no domestic capability left. German Rheinmetall had to rebuild the whole production line in the UK and had to train workers in germany, because there was no one left in the UK who could do that. THERE IS NO DOMESTIC SOLUTION LEFT. Say thanks to Thatcher and the Tories.