Ukraine Releases Victory Plan

Ukraine has released their 5 point victory plan and this is what those 5 points are.
Ukraine gets an immediate and unconditional invitation to join NATO.
Ukraine is allowed to strike inside Russia and its neighbors. NATO members will withdraw their air defenses and now conduct joint operations defending the skies over Ukraine.
This is a nonnuclear deterrence plan, this is classified and has only been presented to the Americans, Brits, French, Italians, and Germans.
This would allow NATO countries to use Ukrainian resources for their own economies as well as help rebuild the Ukrainian economy.
Ukraine’s soldiers will take the place of US soldiers in Europe after the war as Ukrainians will be the most experienced fighting force in the world and the only force trained on all NATO equipment.
There are also 3 additional classified points. It’s certainly a bold plan and it’s entirely realistic even if it makes Washington very uncomfortable. Ukraine is pushing to join NATO by January 20th. Russia says this will push them closer to war with NATO. Look, there are 10,000 North Korean troops in Ukraine, and they continue to strike civilians with Iranian and Chinese drones and missiles. The European side of NATO is much more willing to expand this war in light of the Russian escalation of adding countries into the war because it’s easier to beat the Russians and Koreans at Kharkiv than Warsaw. But the US is very timid about it all, with them even vetoing actions that wouldn’t even include them if they deem them escalatory.
#usa #russia #ukraine

[@ГлебИгнатов-ф9т]

Worth pointing out that an invitation to NATO is not a membership. They want to get an invitation now and join the alliance sometime after the war ends, as stated in the plan.

[@alien9279]

That's actually a really good point

[@christina1764]

Both parts will be fine, from my point of view 😊🇩🇰

[@doubt3430]

Either way they are getting into nato someway somehow if they win

[@dsdgdsfegfeg]

Rubber stamped ♨️ 🇦🇺Australia approves 🇺🇦Ukraine's entrance into NATO

[@Fartelf]

@@dsdgdsfegfeg australia isn't in nato, we're just friends with a lot of the member countries

[@LiterallyRyan_Gosling]

Born too early to fight in the Middle East Born too late to fight in the Middle East Born just in time to play Fortunate Son over the Kremlin

[@sspat9281]

Yessir

[@welcometowherever7475]

-and the middle east

[@edeciotheghost1637]

This is my favorite comment of the week

[@mrmonster987]

Maybe someday the history books will talk about Americans playing fortunate son in a Ukrainian occupied Moscow

[@ChunkTheWolf]

My grand parents couldn’t be more proud

[@prohamburger22]

I feel like North Korea's involvement is NOT being covered enough. A few months ago they said a hundred were going to be sent. Now 10,000 ARE IN UKRAINE?? I would like to clarify that im not a supporter of russia and ukraine has my full support, im just saying that this could change this up in the war if North Korea keeps sending more troops and equipment.

[@ClericOfPholtus]

To be fair 10,000 NK troops are about as valuable as a 100 from any legitimate country

[@jacobashton3137]

Yeah and they're all gonna desert 😭

[@JohnMiranda-bs1cj]

@@jacobashton3137I’m tired of finding sesh buddies… ima hand craft a sesh king

[@dulguunjargal1199]

-How many soldiers did You send? Just a lil' bit -How much is a lil bit? 10,000 -10,000?!?!?! -MY FRONTLINE!!!!!!

[@moneymikeslickwill8749]

@@ClericOfPholtusbro exactly they soo hungry and ready to get iut of NK they have no idea all the intelligence Ukraine has on their movements smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Zelmel]

We constantly worry about escalating, but do nothing when Russia escalates, encouraging them to keep doing so. We're sucking at deterrence right now.

[@gerardflynn7382]

NATO cannot get involved unless Russia moves west of Ukraine.

[@mrcmoes]

@@gerardflynn7382 NATO can't but the countries that make up NATO can independently

[@geneard639]

@@mrcmoes The nations boarding the warzone enter a grey zone when they walk across the line. Functionally if a member nation is attacked ALL of NATO responds, and if a member nation attacks for any reason its seen as ALL of NATO attacking. Sadly, your premise appears wrong.

[@That_Guy_Says_Hi]

HIMARS would like a Bradley-Abrahms F-16 word.

[@7InkredibleTruth7]

​@@mrcmoes Even if you're correct. Appearances matter. If a NATO nation joins. 👀 The pressure would be on for everyone to join.

[@CaptainFang]

Oversimplified bouta cook with this plot

[@crocowithaglocko5876]

Hell yeah

[@SillyBrigade]

I want that video

[@SleepyjoeOG]

Mannn wake me up in a decade when he drops

[@ericcartman1328]

He still owes another Hannibal video

[@Iloveatacms]

"The russians thought it would be cool if they had another vietnam"

[@reedusurrights2547]

The game changed for me when Nkorea entered the war, Ukraine needs to bring in another team to see how Russia likes that

[@mailc3p477]

Ukraine and Poland v Russia and Nkorea

[@s4ss.m8]

I vote the Poles.

[@donnash5813]

@@s4ss.m8 I think they are chomping the bit. I don't think they would have a problem pushing Russia back to its border.

[@ChewyAmpersand]

@@s4ss.m8 Betting you the Polish have been eager to get some revenge for what the Russians did to them the last 100 years or so.

[@DarkShadowStudiosYT1]

@@ChewyAmpersandmore than 100, people forget about the polish Lithuanian commenwealth a long time ago, really old Russia helped destroy that nation with a few others

[@djcokeisnotreal9810]

To be honest I'd rather have Ukraine soldiers helping protect our allies in Europe than the US being there. Not only does it benefit the US by not worrying too much about what's going on in Europe but it's a good thank you gift for the Europeans for all the support they've given to Ukraine. It wouldn't have the same effect as the US leaving the middle east but it's a good start in bringing a lot of are guys home, though to be fair they'd probably miss it since it's probably more a vacation in away than being deployed in say Iraq or Saudi Arabia

[@Seth-Halo]

Tbf, as good as that would be, they always have to be worried about everywhere because you never know what will happen. America tried to stay out of world war 1 and 2 at least directly. Until it came to them. Even if the troops left in full, the US would still be worried about what happens there because Europe is still allies so if something did happen, it isn't like US would just turn a blind eye on the past 100+ years of cooperation.

[@Andrewski-c2x]

I'd rather fight in Europe than asia

[@MaxAlexander-kx8sy]

Why not both. Ukrainian soldiers are the most experienced when it comes to conventional warfare, but the logistical capabilities of the US are unmatched and are going to be essential in any future conflict. We also still have plenty of battle-hardened veterans from Afghanistan. You are right about it being a vacation though. My dad was stationed in Germany not too long ago and I loved it.

[@userJohnSmith]

And now you've signed the Magna Carta.... Europe cannot be trusted to govern itself without watchdogs.

[@Rameon]

The US would never have this unless everyone’s buying our weapons. Our government wants to have full military power over the world, this is nothing more than a potential roadblock for that. If anything, it’s going to force the US to look over and revise the plan directly instead of mostly ignoring it, this is ukraines way of saying, “do more or I’m going to take your place.” Either the US takes it in stride and amps up the help, fall behind and lose their spot in Europe or retaliate and screw over Eastern Europe for the sake of money and power.

[@deiviblonski]

Russia is escalating more than nato

[@Bossman-pg8kk]

Russia is in the war, right? Then how can you compare it to a alliance that is supposed to not be involved

[@richardclary6267]

Exactly and does Ukraine have more experience in war than the United States? If so you think they would at least come up for a breath after zelinski got done on Biden but then Jill Biden then big mike!!! So the most experienced combat premier force on the planet is Ukraine not Delta...SAS...Green Berets..etc

[@mrcmoes]

@@richardclary6267 .....thats a lot of word salad....

[@lastsong7159]

​@@Bossman-pg8kk What? I couldn't hear your lying over the North Korean soldiers, Iranian drones, and private militaries Russia is using.

[@davidspiller7977]

@@richardclary6267 Thank you for showing us you're an idiot. SOCOM isn't guarding Europe. A lot of the US's combat experience left service the last 6 years. And, Zelinski maybe taking a page from how trump gives mouth hugs to putin.

[@Behemoth_Rogue]

That's ballsy. I love it. Sign the checks!

[@n.e.o5334]

Affirmative

[@essianzzzz2206]

No

[@jubal6654]

​@@essianzzzz2206yes

[@Niiiiith]

Can we please stop signing checks. We are hurting here too.

[@TheFullmetal88m]

Yes, true but i counter with Putin needs to be put in his place. Thats all. ​@@Niiiiith

[@jubal6654]

The Ukrainian army at it stand would be a jewl for nato being the only army to have actually fought against the Russians and one of the few armies in the Western world to fight an actual army in recent memory

[@jlo7770]

I doubt the us would gain anything at all from ukraine other than dems laundering money through ukraine and back into the us. Ukraine has nothing to offer and who cares what their "experience" is, they're a 3rd world country that's getting mopped up by Russia. I say tell them they can do whatever they want with the equipment they have and to be careful with it because no more is coming.

[@ErrorOptik]

Do you remember when Iraq had an Army?

[@jubal6654]

@@ErrorOptik Ukraine ain't Iraq, unlike them Ukraine figts like hell and they have proven that for the last two years

[@ChaseBond11]

​@@jubal6654.... Did you miss the last 40 years? 😂 All Iraqis do is fight. Whole generations have never seen peace.

[@ChaseBond11]

​@@jubal6654.... Did you miss the last 40 years? 😂 All Iraqis do is fight. Whole generations have never seen peace.

[@fallout4myth940]

Very bold plan by ukraine

[@javiermendez9365]

Very naive, child like, and suicidal plan. Tell me that you have at least one working braincell willing to think about the problems with this strategy! Also, please understand what is required to join NATO, Ukraine does not meet any of the requirements!

[@Andrewski-c2x]

Good, Ukrainians are very bold. And so far they have carried out and follow through with there bold moves.

[@Andrewski-c2x]

​@@javiermendez9365 tell me your a bot without telling me your a bot

[@javiermendez9365]

@Andrewski-c2x no, im just informed, unlike you. See, once you serve, you actually start to understand the problems with military strategies. If you like, you can also visit pages of Col McGregor, Scott Ritter, the Institute of War, and the West Point Institute. You know real American military sources to get informed. Not TikTok, IG, FB, etc. Wake up fool, this Zelensky strategy would send us all into a serious global confrontation in which hundreds of thousands would die in a blink of an eye and economic collapse. Understand the issue first, then talk!

[@kevfit4333]

A crackhead plan

[@wortilus7643]

I support this plan 100%

[@javiermendez9365]

You're kidding, right? Tell me there are brain cells working in your head. If you don't see the issues behind this strategy, God helps us all!

[@jubal6654]

​@@javiermendez9365what's the problem, Russia is defeated Ukraine and Poland become the guards of Europe The US doesn't have to keep defending them just the ocasional weapons shipment I see this as an absolute win

[@turtleturtle4976]

@@javiermendez9365 Stop yapping and just tell us why... sometimes educating is more important than insulting.

[@wortilus7643]

@@javiermendez9365 shut up ruzzian

[@robertperez3736]

@@turtleturtle4976Ukraine joins nato tomorrow that means that every country in Europe is now at war with Russia , THATS WORLD WAR 3 are yall dumb ?

[@TheGringuish12]

Ukraine army in the 2010s was underequipped, understaffed, inexperienced. Now they are the worlds most battle hardened military force, is insane how 10 years changed that

[@kingofhearts3185]

Not even 10, mostly in 3.

[@TheGringuish12]

@@kingofhearts3185 yes, but the start of the war in Dnbass (2014) surely raised some alarms about keeping it up

[@kingofhearts3185]

@@TheGringuish12 I said mostly for that reason, it wasn't taken as seriously at the time as it is now though.

[@TheGringuish12]

@@kingofhearts3185 damn right, you did said mostly. My bad

[@kingofhearts3185]

@@TheGringuish12 All good, I might have come off as unfairly dismissive

[@frostnova8300]

Holy shit, Ukraine really just said “Enough playing around” 😮

[@adamgates1142]

It's a desperate plea and it's nothing new. America is about finished with Ukraine.

[@FishbedFive]

"Hey, Ukraine, you want some h-" "Where the fuck did you get manufacturing plants?"

[@6reezy949]

North Koreans are in the war, wouldn't it only be fair to help the Ukrainian army now FINALLY

[@gerardflynn7382]

Nope. Russia and its allies have not put troops on NATO ally soil......yet.

[@mrcmoes]

@@gerardflynn7382 doesn't stop nations from getting involved independently, even if they are NATO members or not

[@akaira700]

Y’all have international volunteers help Ukraine so…

[@jlo7770]

​@@mrcmoesthen the us can back out of nato immediately.

[@normaaliihminen722]

@@jlo7770USA Simple can’t leave nato. Especially if Trump wants it. He needs get an approval from congress and senate.

[@logicgamingwizzardtv2294]

As a US citizen i agree with this plan especially the part where our soldiers get to come home edit: Not a total removal yall im just saying it would be nice to be able to lessen our presence and work with Ukraine

[@Andrewski-c2x]

No, they mostly love Europe. If im gonna be stationed over seas. I want it to be Europe.

[@robertperez3736]

if we bring Ukraine into nato, that means article 5 of nato is invoked and the US will now be officially at war with Russia.. and you think when that happens .. they will send our soldiers back ? Jesus Christ

[@logicgamingwizzardtv2294]

@@Andrewski-c2x i didnt think of that honestly its definitely better than the other places youd get send to😂 , also thank you for your service though 🫡

[@srinivarma1320]

It wouod proably mean that more soldiers woild be sent to South East Asia instead

[@shawnsanders6113]

​@Andrewski-c2x I mean Europe is cool and all ive lived in Germany and loved but let's not forget the Asian countries like South Korea and Japan

[@DiviAugusti]

The most logical defense arrangement is for Europe to defend NATO’s eastern flank and allow the USA to put 100% of its focus in the Pacific. We have to adapt to the 21st century realities.

[@donnash5813]

The Europeans really need to carry their own weight. The US has been there to 80 years. If Ukraine (with a lot of help) can fight the Russians to a standstill, Nato forces should be more than enough to defeat Russia.

[@DiviAugusti]

@@donnash5813 That’s alright. The Cold War structure stayed in place for a few extra decades just due to inertia. Now it’s time to get things to where they need to be for the rest of the century. Europe had a strong 80 years to rebuild and get going, the USA got to wield its influence in the area, everything is grand.

[@JustAStronzoOnYT]

@@donnash5813you’re right, but the US tried to stay away from the world wars as an isolationist country which we were drawn into. So now years has past and we have to play world police to try and prevent WWs (World War), even though it benefits us more (I could be reaching. By reaching I mean I could be wrong)

[@normaaliihminen722]

@@JustAStronzoOnYTUSA do benefit from policing the world 1) cultural hegemonic status 2) military presence that prevents regional bullies from bullying neighbors 3) international shipping lanes are secured. 4) USA sells weapons to its partners.

[@vittoriomarano8230]

​@@JustAStronzoOnYTwhat kind of fucking arrogance do americans have to state that they have to play 'World police??? The History will give your country a lesson sooner or later.

[@user-nb9xw6ip6c]

North korean soldiers fighting in ukraine using iranian missles jesus chrost this is one hell of a time to be alive

[@valueradar3362]

When you put it that way holy crap I could never have imagined that scenario a few years ago.

[@Snoogbley]

Trump is gonna fuck it up

[@idk3ree]

That's the plan

[@TheWasatchCrown]

That is what Putin is funding/aiding him for.

[@moehassona6009]

​@TheWasatchCrown actually current administration isn't a fan of this plan as well because it's unrealistic

[@12Blast]

It’s never gonna be “up” in the first place.

[@harrysachs1709]

​@@TheWasatchCrownputin would of never attacked Ukraine if trump was president and not an elderly moron with dementia. All would of been avoided

[@Gallalad1]

One and five are non starters. NATO has inherent conditions to joining and Ukraine isn’t getting an exception. Also while Ukraine is going to be very experienced it is not the US and could not provide the same level of capability. The USAF alone is reason for America to stay

[@Sentinelprime-e8d]

Fr

[@jubal6654]

Ukraine has been fighting against Russia with scraps and has stand strong against them, imagine what they could do with proper NATO integration and support

[@hardcorelevelingwarrior6324]

I was going to type that too. Ukrainians are experienced but only in land combat. They have no notable navy or Air Force, and they lack experience with those doctrines. There is no Air Force in the world that can contest the USAF.

[@jiffery-dill]

​@@hardcorelevelingwarrior6324 there is no air force in the world that could contest the USN

[@mw9297]

@@jubal6654400 billion in military scarps you people are delusional

[@LukeRennison-fz4tk]

Replacing USA troops will never happen at best ukraine will be a support role

[@gimmymorefood9938]

It’s an interesting proposition. I wouldent say support, I would say on par with us troops.

[@LukeRennison-fz4tk]

@gimmymorefood9938 no chance, ukraine is not taking over the role of defending eruope. They can join N.A.T.O and be a powerful member like the U.K or France but replacing the U.S.A troops will never happen the U.S.A isn't just gonna abandon europe and leave defending it to Ukraine

[@adamm4766]

It’s definitely not going to happen, however I feel this is what was proposed to get Trump on board and makes sense to basically allow Americans to shift primary focus to China while leaving Ukraine and Poland as the front door.

[@jubal6654]

​@@LukeRennison-fz4tkit would be more Ukraine and Poland with support of the rest of Europe Seeing how Ukraine has stand so long against Russia with only crumbs that the west gives in support is telling at what they would be capable of with actual NATO integration

[@Vaxiious]

Every time I hear the Ukrainians being the most experienced soldiers in the world all I can think of is the video of the howitzer they shot without digging it in so it flew back like 8 feet

[@Mystic_Apollo]

Everybody is seeming to forget what happened the last time the world decoded to appease and "not escalate" when some dictators and their pawns decided to puff out there chests...

[@MudflyWatersman]

Ukraine's fighting force..... Is experienced. But let's be real...... It's mostly 30- 50-year-old men fighting other 30- 50-year-old men with the same limited training and weapons. They don't compare to US forces. They are probably the best in world at drones........

[@MaxAlexander-kx8sy]

I generally agree with this plan except for the last point about Ukraine replacing US forces in Europe. When the war is over we should definitely work more closely with Ukraine, but the US has logistical capabilities that are unmatched by anyone in the world. This will be absolutely essential for any future conflict in the region and it would greatly diminish our logistics not only in Europe, but also worldwide.

[@lyricof3003]

I like this plan

[@TheFlyWahine]

I like it that Ukraine knows they have the most experience on all the equipment and straight up saying this. There also calling out there allies and there fake support and all the half ass measures Ukraine allies give, say and do. And that Ukraine's allies ate holding them back and protecting Russia.

[@mailc3p477]

I mean i understand why though, Russia might be a paper tiget but they have a lot of nukes, nukes that, while are mostly probably inert because of their low budget to keep them active, are still terrifying because of the idea that even if a percentage of said nukes are working, it still would mean the end of everything

[@jlo7770]

Ukraine has no allies. They're a 3rd world country no one cares about

[@TheeItalianStalian]

Thanks for the update philly d

[@lazy299]

Russian bots insulting people without giving any context, evidence, or explanation to base their argument challenge: (impossible)

[@4bad2u]

Step 1: Secure the keys. ... Step 2: Ascend from the darkness. ... Step 3: Reign Fire. ... Step 4: Unleash the horde. ... Step 5: Skewer the winged beast. ... Step 6: Wield a fist of iron. ... Step 7: Raise Hell. ... Step 8: Freedom.

[@Qaos2]

I never thought of that. Generations of Ukrainian men battle hardened

[@jlo7770]

Lmfao how many of them? They're running dry

[@GoldAxoMC]

@@jlo7770 they're doing good considering they've been resisting one of the worlds largest superpowers with hand-me-down weapons for the past 2 years.

[@jlo7770]

@@GoldAxoMC I mean hundreds of billions of dollars vs what the afghans did? Not really, they're not doing very well if you ask me. I mean they didn't crumble over night but they've had massive losses(which any military strategist will say offensive moves will always net 3 to 1 losses) id say they're doing worse than average concidering how much "aid" they've received. Especially since Russia doesn't have a robust airforce or navy. Russia wanted crimea, and to consume the dpr and lpr, which along with crimea, all are very pro russia. They fell back to pro russia land and they've been holding it down.

[@swervoo_7953]

this is the same reason to not vote for trump, instead of Ukrainians 5 point plan he’d let Russia take all territories currently under Russian control and probably Crimea. vote to stop other countries from bullies, and let people choose what they want

[@adamgates1142]

Crimea voted to leave Ukraine

[@geneard639]

Putin's plan is to reform the USSR by force, Trump's plan is to make sure Putin's knob is polished and help Putin reform the USSR.

[@jlo7770]

​@@adamgates1142lol dude these people don't know all the land that Russia has is all pro russia. They don't realize the dpr and lpr have been at war with ukraine since 2014 and that those two oblasts and crimea want nothing to do with ukraine. These people ain't smart

[@jg5875]

@@adamgates1142do research on that referendum. It was done under the Russian regime. Hardly open and fair.

[@TheChivalricKnight]

​@@adamgates1142 In an election that is regarded by everyone except Russia as a sham due to all sorts of interference from Russia. 😂 Same with the "referendums" in Luhansk and Donetsk.

[@EpicLelouch]

Makes no sense ukraine does not even have the logistical capability of the US nor the weapons. Also all the money we have sent is via Lend leasing which is required to be paid back.

[@snowman7992]

I didn’t even realize that yeah, win or lose, Ukraine is gonna have the greatest % of trained - and most importantly, experienced - fighters in the west per their population and possibly just in total Kudos to them for actually bringing that up and using it as a bargaining chip, one which NATO is probably quite happy with given how America has been pushing for less American involvement

[@jlo7770]

Lmfao I doubt nato cares about ukraines 40+year old fighting force that's getting slapped around

[@Ronnie-sy9vx]

Slava Ukraina!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@mrcmoes]

Героям слава!

[@andrewg1173]

Lmao, what a delusional wishlist. 1 and 5 are absolute non starters.

[@speen5592]

Victory plan step 1: run and hide behind others

[@jayfatler1352]

I’ll be that guy. Trusting any other foreign power, ally or otherwise, with all of our bases in Europe including our own equipment. Is an absolutely ridiculous idea. Weren’t their suspicions of Ukrainian generals working with Russia? To the point of putting being relieved of duty? My memory of it is kind of fuzzy on it tbh. Just remember, Russia and China operate on different timescales than US politicians who can be replaced every few years. Maybe we avoid ww3 for right now. But IF things turn in 2-3 generations, long enough for significant culture shift, then we just may have a non-allied country with our tech and bases. Not to mention a greater chance for the hearts and minds in other European countries to be altered slowly into something not favorable for us.

[@jesseberger5173]

Why are we so bold until it comes to where it actually matters?

[@persuasivebarrier2419]

That last replacing US stationed abroad in Europe is a very interesting one.

[@NotASeriousMoose]

Yeah, because its a gift Russia could never have dreamt of receiving.

[@ulrichkristensen4087]

If it is true, then it is the most idiotic part of the plan, EU or European NATO countries would never allow Ukrainian soldiers to be based or or hold bases in Europe outside ukraine

[@avis21X]

Allowing America to use Ukrainian resources to rebuild Ukraine is like waving around oil for America to take

[@Mid-Edits]

the big companies of America want Ukraine’s fertile land

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

Pretty solid plan, maybe a bit bold. But with USA being on the fence, and Potentially Trump being president it makes sense

[@K1forMVP]

Ukraine saying their soldiers are the most well trained soldiers inside of NATO is utterly laughable .

[@KaijuRails54_Official]

Hmmm no balls… Sign it

[@remixsparten98]

If Russia didn't want Special Military Invitations then why encourage it with Special Military Operations?

[@glennchartrand5411]

The part about Ukraine replacing US troops in Europe is to bring Trump on board. He wants Europe to take over it's own defense instead of the USA. This would give him what he wants.

[@wehavethemeats4004]

I agree. With Trump on board this war won't last much longer

[@wilsontheknight]

To be fair that point about being the most veteran and experienced is absolutely true

[@YoBoyNeptune]

That last point is fascinating. It appeals to Americans as it puts fewer of their soldiers in harm's way. It's like they're asking the US to outsource the fighting to them, come to think of it they basically already are

[@truthseeker9454]

"...NATO member will withdraw their air defenses...." _Withdraw them from where?_

[@rebelgamingtv5820]

Keep US troops in Europe and it’s a good plan.

[@Whatdoesthismean420]

At this point we might as well just get the party started🤷‍♂️😅

[@Andrewski-c2x]

We need to make other countries stronger first.

[@mw9297]

@@Andrewski-c2xthat’s the whole reason Ukraine got invaded in the first place. Russia scared of a strong Ukraine.

[@Kebab-s2u]

I think zelensky is out of his mind with this one

[@JamMAKEcan007]

😂😂😂 sound like the end of Ukraine plan to me 😂😂😂😂.. The west are really pushing for ww3..

[@lesgookermit]

Doesn't seem classified if you're talking about it

[@superkingoftacos2920]

Russia: Escalates every chance they get. USA: We can't do anything because what if they DOUBLE ESCALATE?!?!

[@ashwynlentini1317]

I mean I wanna support it but idk about them replacing our troops

[@obt-cinder]

either 2 ways straight up clone's which prob be cool/badass or the relationship with ukraine is bout go to a ''different level''

[@syban779]

They don't want to replace. They want to add their troops as veterans

[@jubal6654]

@@ashwynlentini1317 don't understand why people see that as a bad thing, this is Ukraine giving Americans peace of mind that Europe (mostly Poland and Ukraine) can defend themselves giving the opportunity to the US to deploy this men elsewhere or returning home

[@kingofhearts3185]

@@jubal6654 That US mentality is the result of the world wars, they didn't join until it was a US problem. Nobody wants a repeat of that and would rather snuff it out early instead of facing an entrenched enemy.

[@MilitaryPlayer141]

It’s been shared with most NATO Countries that are common, and “classified” but know we know it 😂

[@henrygonzalez360]

Great point. I call bullshit on that report.

[@Tiffin027]

Anyone else feel like there's something off about this whole war between Ukraine and Russia? Because I never really thought about it before but this is putting Ukraine in an extremely powerful position. Something just feels off..

[@djspectrein]

Ukraine trying to slip into NATO 😂

[@gmennc2648]

lol he has the title of best sales man ever for a reason!

[@fatchicken4939]

I need your people thoughts, my brother is all in for Russia to win the war. He always finds an excuse to justify Russia actions in anything. I would one by one comparison of both Ukraine’s and Russia ethnicity problems,which he picks/ chooses on why it good when Russia does it but it is genocide when Ukraine does it. (The example is messed up) he said that is the “west” fault for the war lasting this long. He is that the joining of North Korea into war with their ammunition with would make the “west” crumble. Is there anyway I can get him to think otherwise of his ideas?

[@Wickedstickyflowers]

Sounds like this is much more complicated then we are being told Maybe rightfully so….

[@jrcapatch6906]

That is a fucking smart plan! We should 100% take it

[@jlo7770]

Lol no the us shouldn't. Ukraine has nothing to offer the us and they never will

[@jrcapatch6906]

@@jlo7770 wrong.

[@GoldAxoMC]

@@jlo7770 Keep it up bot, or putin will send you to the frontlines lmao

[@jlo7770]

@@GoldAxoMC umm I'm American bud, I ain't dying for either one of those garbage 3rd world countries. Lol wtf you thinking head off to the front with the rest of those corrupt ukraines. Enjoy your drone

[@csincos989]

Ukraine and Zalynsky have the guts to do it, now my country (U.S.) has to have more guts and a back bone to accept.

[@HomeBrewHistoryandLore]

I think the last point is the only one that wouldn't spark an all out continental war

[@adamgates1142]

Phil is such a poor propagandist

[@3akr3]

Ukraine has actual NCO's with experience.

[@travisryan847]

Very bold , and I’m all for it. Majority of us dont want to be the police of the world and few of us understand we have to be our Allie’s have let their militarys go. This will allow us to finally pull most our troops out, make our other Allies rebuild and keep building their military’s because France Britain Germany and others will feel some type of way having to rely on Ukraine to defend them. Which needs to happen.

[@anthonyparisi2386]

Oh I still want to police the world I just don’t want to baby sit Europe it’s been 80 years

[@VenusFlytrap7]

As an American, I'm all for Ukraine's plan.

[@FurryNonsense]

"We defended against Russia. So now the USA is forced to be our ally" -Ukraine ...HUH?!

[@voidstranded]

didn't expect to see you here 🫡

[@Looznutz]

Typical USA. NO BALLS!!!

[@TreiberSeptim]

Sounds more detailed, reasonable and good than most plans American politicians bring forward. Let‘s hope they get as much as poss realised.

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

Let’s go Ukraine!!!! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@jamesmancini1506]

He just said the US is timid. Thats hilarious. If Trump wins the election, Ukraine, and eventually all of Europe are boned. But ya, sure. Timid. Uncomfortable. 😅

[@RobertMalachowski]

It’s a tight race even with foreign interference and unpatriotic folks like you

[@Real_Evil_Mario]

Very interesting to see these comments. Some are saying that they’ll be glad to have the troops back home, while others don’t trust this plan and want their soldiers to remain in Europe.

[@vittoriomarano8230]

The West is really playing with fire 🔥 🔥🔥

[@JMK948]

Since when was Washington wimpy?

[@andrewlaco1776]

Six: No more Ukraine.

[@askscary2011]

Poland has a bone to pick, let’s sign the checks to them and let them handle it.

[@ChewyAmpersand]

I wonder what free bird in Polish sounds like 😂

[@gerardflynn7382]

Poland is a NATO member. Russia has not invaded Poland.

[@mrcmoes]

@@gerardflynn7382 Poland is an independent country and are allowed to operate outside of NATO, like all the other members can.

[@ChewyAmpersand]

@@gerardflynn7382 Russia joined the Germans in invading Poland in 1939 and once the country fell, they split it in two. After Germany backstabbed the Russians and Russia pushed its way back towards Berlin, the didn’t liberate such much as occupied Poland and other Eastern European countries. They never gave the Polish freedom, an apology or war reparations for what they did, it’s no wonder the Polish hate the Russians.

[@haraffael7821]

They said the same about their last summer offensive... It didnt even remotely go as planned.

[@daniert2074]

That's easy to say but don't forget Russia is adopting too we love to say that "Ukraine is going to win the war" no , Ukraine does not have the capacity to sustain that war without western support , Russia is capable of supporting the war because they have they own military complex , abundance of natural resources if see right now then Kursk invasion was a mistake they can'tl sustain it because Russia is taking back the Kursk region.

[@clydemaccorrio3501]

All I hear from this plan is don't think about all the infrastructure time resources put into building NATO .just give it to us.. Ukraine has a dictator that begs as if it's not begging

[@Lucifer-sn9ir]

Sounds like a good plan to me 👍

[@megadeathx]

Having been one of the honored few to earn an expeditionary badge on my SE Asia combat medal, I can say with confidence that the US does not need "the most experienced with NATO equipment" to operate that equipment. There is no shortage of volunteers who are itching to earn their combat stripes. One of the reasons I left the military was when I attended a military ceremony with CSMs (plural) that had fewer combat stripes than myself, despite having zero encouragement to pursue promotion myself. The US needs more combat veterans, specifically to maintain the tradition of leaders who know what they're teaching to the troops being taught. A military without experience is waiting to be to schooled by their opponents.

[@andrewvazzana383]

The concept of them replacing US troops in Europe is kinda bold, logical and fair considering the political and military climate.

[@ulrichkristensen4087]

Well there is a big problem with this, No EU or European NATO countries will allow Ukrainian soldiers build bases or run bases in EU or European NATO countries. Are they out of their mind

[@lowqualitycontent3818]

I like all of it except us troops coming home.

[@sigh_of_the_times]

God bless Ukraine

[@kevinmencer3782]

Is this technically a World War, with multiple countries getting involved due to various treaties, deals and alliances?

[@mailc3p477]

It would potentially be the start of WW3 if NATO as a whole joins in directly in the war, as of rn no.

[@mcspartan5822]

Zelenskyy’s delusional lmfao

[@SleepyjoeOG]

“Most experience fighting force in the world” yah okay bud whatever boosts morale

[@henrygonzalez360]

I don't support them but they are the only force that has had actual full out battle with a modern military.

[@mw9297]

@@henrygonzalez360 is the first person to do anything the best at it? Or is it the people that watch and do it better.

[@Klayton_Nivel]

​@@mw9297the ones that practice something are typically better, but thanks for asking.

[@henrygonzalez360]

@@mw9297 Good point 👍🏽

[@Nervete]

I can see that being... feasible, in a generous sense, but I have no desire to see the US pull out of Europe. It's critical to our war logistics to have our own bases all across the world, and though Ukraine IS in top shape to fight a defensive war, they have quite literally zero experience in managing global military logistics, not to mention the fact that a good chunk of their equipment is donated and borrowed, with their own nation having zero capacity to produce its own. Why would anyone (anyone who likes the US and/or Nato being a major world power anyways) even consider this? Why would Ukraine even *want* this? I'd think the vast bulk of their soldiers just want to be done with fighting, not turn it into a career.

[@ironlegacyxvii2817]

America is having an identity crisis. Dare I say it may be time to give Europe the wheel again. Maybe they can set a better example of republicanism and democracy than us because right now, we can't get over ourselves.

[@Chimpunk729]

Russia and the Gank playing smartcard, while Euro Branch NATO took precautiously on supporting Ukraine so they giving Ukraine piece by piece with restrictions (even Germany already stopped). Russian Gank makes US global armed force busy everywhere with Iran and it proxies in middle east, North Korea in Asia Peninsula, China with Taiwan and West Phillipine Sea. Venezuela also makes small maneuver to neighbour that draw US Atlantic Fleet to go near. The Fact that action taken by European NATO in behalf of Ukraine, reminds me of the beginning of the WW II. While Western Europe take easy on N4ZI movement to czech, Poland, and nearby country. They shock when suddenly N4zi are on their backyard when wehrmarcht easily took on Belgium, Netherlands and start to swollen France. So for European NATO, Ukraine is bumper state to adsorb Russian military personnel and equipment while Baltics NATO are the buffer countries before NATO send their Quick Reaction Force. Interesting to see Russian Moves ahead, do they had enough? Do they exhausted? Or do they Plan just like this? All stop on Eastern part of Ukraine?

[@FishbedFive]

U.S.: "What the fuck are you doing?!" Ukraine: *YO, AMERICA, CAN YOU HEAR ME?* *JUST LOOK AT THE VIEW.* *THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CSTO FROM UP HERE.*

[@kcck7588]

So basically “America help me”

[@Krulltårta]

We(nato) gotta step in already! Putin started it with NK boots on ground in ukr so lets go!

[@block2231]

I love it, where do I sign to accept all these conditions

[@willlord7220]

Kind of weird that none of those points mention the restoration of the pre-2014 or even the pre-invasion border. I guess joining NATO is important enough for Ukraine that they are willing to give it up. It would certainly guarantee that Ukraine will never have to worry about Russia ever again.

[@alexappell]

Ha ha ha 😂😅 like that’s ever gonna happen!!!

[@cacsoccer101]

So in other words, Ukraine wants to go from being a nobody country to being one of the most important countries in a Europe. Wow, go figure..

[@BarryAllen__1A23]

I mean ukraine bodied the supposedly 2nd most powerful country i too would feel confident about it

[@mw9297]

@@BarryAllen__1A23have they won? It is over? Are they recapturing their territory? No.

[@Klayton_Nivel]

​@@mw9297Ukrainians are shorter on any resources you can think of besides drones. If you don't see how holding on for this long is a titanic achievement - you are just actively looking for any evidence of the opposite.

[@Klayton_Nivel]

​@@mw9297not to mention, they did throw the orcs away from Kyiv, then from Kharkiv, and then half of Kherson.

[@jlo7770]

​@@BarryAllen__1A23bodied? You mean losing land daily?

[@dabsteelpimp]

Whatever, just don't touch the boats!