ULTIMATE AoS 4.0 Tier List - Warhammer Weekly 08072024

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Vince Venturella

Vince Venturella

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@Ash-sf4gr
@Ash-sf4gr 5 ай бұрын
What I got out of these two hours is that Skaven are the perfect army and I was right to hold on to all my boxes of old Skaven. Thanks for validating my behaviour.
@varbles
@varbles 5 ай бұрын
Nighthaunt is so good right now, they're going to still be paying for their moment on top in 8th edition.
@julianhennig3579
@julianhennig3579 5 ай бұрын
It’s just justice for 1 1/2 editions of being terrible.
@ismael9914
@ismael9914 5 ай бұрын
I think GW can correct it by upping them in points ( they still are very hordy so there will have things in the table ) and changing the writing of the subfaction, instead of army wide run / retreat and charge make it for ONE Unit
@punkycloud
@punkycloud 5 ай бұрын
​@@julianhennig3579 this, been pushing this army up hill last couple editions, the view from top meta is quite nice. Lose the run and charge and think people would stop crying about them being too strong
@woofergranade2044
@woofergranade2044 5 ай бұрын
Oh snap, that should be right after Stormdrake guard should stop getting nurffed lol
@kvltovlvx1534
@kvltovlvx1534 5 ай бұрын
Calling nh overtuned at the moment is fair and correct, but at this point it has become this editions mantra that is being echo chambered without thought and I think that is a bad thing. I mean ”nerfing it hard” is always a bad route. As mentioned above, slight andjustments can get it there. Mainly run and charge is the problem and the way how they can cheat easy objectives. Both can be put in check with clever restrictions of some kind I believe.
@DimenGaming
@DimenGaming 5 ай бұрын
"It's Johnny edging timmy "
@scottpfaff7804
@scottpfaff7804 5 ай бұрын
I heard that too. Phrasing!!
@borisdevilboon8064
@borisdevilboon8064 5 ай бұрын
@@DimenGaming *de-monetized*
@ianunderwood1678
@ianunderwood1678 5 ай бұрын
Me: "I just started painting up Stormcast, I know I'm a Timmy/Spike, I hope Vince puts them right around 'here' Vince: Puts Stormcast right under my mouse. Nice.
@borisdevilboon8064
@borisdevilboon8064 5 ай бұрын
The only thing that will fix Tom's sound is an RGB Cat Ear headset
@6packproductions710
@6packproductions710 5 ай бұрын
Hey I can be the token OBR guy again. I generally agree on both tier placements. The army plays fair which currently means it isn’t good, but is carried by cavalry being strong. And while it’s mostly spike, the variety of buff options allows you to play tactical and try to prove you’re smarter than the other player (Johnny) while also imagining you are katakros ordering an undead spartan force (Timmy)
@woofergranade2044
@woofergranade2044 5 ай бұрын
As someone who has played several games against Nighthaunt as Stormcast… I don’t want to play against them anymore. It wasn’t very fun to just get steamrolled on turn one by 60 attacks with no tool to punch through 20 wounds on ethereal 4 up and 5 up ward. And they can bring three of these units on average. You’re right, what can a man do against such reckless hate?
@skullz291
@skullz291 5 ай бұрын
I'm sure it's not easy but grand hammer annihilators can definitely punch through 20w on 4+/5+. The main problem is the points efficiency. They're just way too cheap.
@DocPhantoms
@DocPhantoms 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, Tom, for fixing the whole mic tapping thing. As always, thank you both for the aos insights. I am not hyped enough to dive into 4th yet, but like to keep my finger on the pulse.
@zramirez5471
@zramirez5471 5 ай бұрын
Timmy needed one more mana, Johnny just needed to untap, and Spike had his wincon in his hand until Timjon wheeled...
@RadioFreeHammerhal
@RadioFreeHammerhal 5 ай бұрын
Next time, tiers need to be Big pimpin Pimpin ain't easy Hard out here for a pimp
@Illindi
@Illindi 5 ай бұрын
Man feeling bad now that I traded off the Skaven part of the box to build up more for a SE army. Having KO already is just a gut punch because they feel like Votann now, lost and forgotten about.
@aerlands100
@aerlands100 5 ай бұрын
As a timmy that plays ironjawz, Lumineth, slaanesh, and cities, listening to this: "am I a nurgly boi?..."
@theTemplar08
@theTemplar08 5 ай бұрын
I loved Rifts in day late 90s. I used some subrace class to make the Hulk with mega damage (i’m guessing on terminology it’s been 25 yr.) He essentially stomped Prozaks main city.
@AngryPomeranian
@AngryPomeranian 5 ай бұрын
So many armies in one line is insane.
@aversion7140
@aversion7140 5 ай бұрын
You’re not kidding about Blades of Khorne. I rolled through several opponents in my first few games with them. If you understand how to use the tools in the army correctly, they are absolutely oppressive to face. I tabled 3 different opponents by turn 3-4
@joncarr5545
@joncarr5545 5 ай бұрын
What are you running?
@frankfurterberus
@frankfurterberus 4 ай бұрын
20 bloodletters are 400 points; to call Khorne “overcost” is insane. Sure the big demons, maybe, but with reinforced bloodletters, a bloodmaster, some skullcrushers and a herald on blood throne, you’re still way under 2000 and you can absolutely demolish multiple units *very* quickly
@olafolafsson2755
@olafolafsson2755 4 ай бұрын
Where are the good Khorne results in our AoS stats?
@Brian0033
@Brian0033 7 күн бұрын
I also put soulblight pretty near the middle. Its spike because you get units back so you have efficiency and reliability. Its jonny because you layer your debuffs and and your strats, and its timmy because you can just smash face with blood knights and a zombie dragon if you want to and make skeletor noises with your skeletons.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 7 күн бұрын
That is a really good breakdown of the faction!
@kyles8707
@kyles8707 5 ай бұрын
Since Tom is on team “buying stuff is hobby progress” Vince it doesn’t seem like you should have a hard time convincing him to get a new microphone.
@stevekearns6173
@stevekearns6173 5 ай бұрын
Great stuff, can we have a "We're late because of Tom" T-shirt?
@davidcampbell621
@davidcampbell621 5 ай бұрын
Good show! Hopefully they can deal with some of these internal balance issues earlier in the edition and we won't be left hanging for books to fix them.
@erikoerke3206
@erikoerke3206 5 ай бұрын
I just won a small local event with a double demon Prince StD army. I had no manifestations, no wizards, no priests, and no faction terrain. Eye of the gods made up for it in spades.
@ProrokLebioda
@ProrokLebioda 5 ай бұрын
*Cries in Ironjawz*
@martym3815
@martym3815 5 ай бұрын
Right there with ya bud
@shadeling6717
@shadeling6717 5 ай бұрын
Ha i also play All squig gits, and maggotkin... I guess my Night haunt make up for even though i've put them on the shelf for now.
@legweg1149
@legweg1149 4 ай бұрын
We guna wagh dem don' worry
@salemsuwareh1643
@salemsuwareh1643 5 ай бұрын
What you said about Slaanesh felt cathartic, i think youre exactly right.
@RadioFreeHammerhal
@RadioFreeHammerhal 5 ай бұрын
Argument for nurgle as timmy/Johnny- glottkin multi-counter charge. Retreat and charge with drones. Place trees strategically with horticulous. Beast shenanigans. Sloppity buff choices. Lots of Johnny tools.
@Leviticushateford
@Leviticushateford 5 ай бұрын
Great show as always! Thanks for all you do for our hobby!
@kruganos2808
@kruganos2808 5 ай бұрын
I hate manifestation spam and the forced list building depending on heros. Too less options to take what i want to take and play. More choice for subheros per battalion can fix this maybe. I play conquest too but never thought I hate a aos list building in the same way
@markg.3171
@markg.3171 5 ай бұрын
Video doesn’t matter as much in audiovisuals as audio. Bad audio not good, bad video quality with good audio it’s more than enough validity
@Wijkert
@Wijkert 5 ай бұрын
16:42 Tell me about it. I build (not glued yet) all the mini's from the Skaventide box and some were way better in hand than in picture. 360's (in video on or the GW website) do give you a better idea, but nothing beats having them in hand. Have been building more just to get an idea of what I like to keep and what to get rid of.
@Dotification
@Dotification 5 ай бұрын
Great show--sorry I missed it live! If you're going to make a NightHaunt + LotR reference, Vince (+ several other great ones here) then the Army of the Dead at the Battle of Minas Tirith would also be apt. As a SC player: bring Vanquishers & maybe Gryph-hounds, & a CoS player: Bleakswords or B.A. Corsairs (moreso if they get a points decrease) to kill them I guess, & hope you don't draw a bunch of 3+ Save armies to bounce off of... I've only played 2 games of 4E, but 4+ Save non-Beast Dire Wolf spam is exhausting, as is a Tzeentch player spamming Endless Spells!
@piffling2238
@piffling2238 5 ай бұрын
Sylvaneth's problem comes down to how swingy the army can be. You need those trees on the field to function as an army. If your treesong casts are either missed or unbound repeatedly you are in for an uphill battle. This has happened to me and it was effetely game over turn two. If my opponent rolls low on any other spell they miss out on one cool thing but with sylvaneth it's multiple aspects of the army you get to miss out on. They need positive momentum to keep up. This is what's pushing the better sylvaneth lists towards units that can work somewhat independent of trees or provide trees some other means. like the big three named heroes. I'm not sure how I would fix it. It all comes down to getting trees via a spell.
@stevelewis2658
@stevelewis2658 5 ай бұрын
1:08:25 So about 14 in the fat middle, about 6 need help, and 4 need some adjustment down. Overall I would say it’s not a bad release balance wise by GW. It will be interesting to see how things are after Nashcon!
@stenmadsen7406
@stenmadsen7406 5 ай бұрын
Interesting with the psycographic profiles. How does the aethestics of an army fit in? The aethestics of an army means alot to me, not just how they play.
@TheWilliamsT
@TheWilliamsT 5 ай бұрын
I googled Spike edging Johnny and was expecting a very different video. Never hear of Warhammer before but i learnt a lot.
@Wijkert
@Wijkert 5 ай бұрын
Interesting, I am 90%+ Spike (always have been, always will be) and my favorite armies esthetics wise are Nighthaunt, Slaanesh and Soulblight. So that lines up reasonably well. Only thing is I don't really play..., but still like these kind of episodes because it's fun to think about the game this way.
@scotchandhobbies5674
@scotchandhobbies5674 5 ай бұрын
I played a game at a tournament with Nighthaunt where I just barely lost to Flesheaters, and by the end of 4 I had almost no models left on the table, and he had 1 dumb hero die, but the game still ended at like 38-42. I miss played turn 5 and could have won but it was game 3 of day 1 and I was tired
@starslayer2438
@starslayer2438 5 ай бұрын
It will be interesting to see the first few battletomes and the first big balance update (battlescroll). Hope they can identify the problems with balance and playstyle options. Overall, the spread is not too bad for such a massive rules overhaul. As you said, Vince, 10th edition of 40k had it worse.
@jameszeropr
@jameszeropr 5 ай бұрын
Really liked the format of the tier list
@markg.3171
@markg.3171 5 ай бұрын
Love the beef can’t wait for the Collab after all is done (or one gave up)
@shadeling6717
@shadeling6717 5 ай бұрын
Nice episode. i'm always interested in what armies fit with which profile. What are peoples thoughts on the sat reveal show for Skaven? I'm hoping for a near 100% refresh, but i also think the doomwheel and lightning cannon could probably stick around. The abom and Bell i'm mixed between needs a new kit or can keep using the old. I'm wanting new storm vermin, and eshin, pestilence, skyre troops. The small weapon teams i kind of hope go to legends or reimagine them as bigger unit type things. The refresh will pretty much determine if i'll sell my half of Skaventide or keep it to start a Skaven army in the future. Personally i do want to start Hedonites, but that will wait for a awesome Christmas boxset or an updated book.
@DisasterP1an
@DisasterP1an 5 ай бұрын
You combined all of my favorite episodes into one. Still awesome content. Nice to see Tom. When are you having HeyWoah back on?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
Whenever I can. :)
@zramirez5471
@zramirez5471 5 ай бұрын
Man your China Town reference is killing me because I can't remember the name of the movie; I also feel pretty confident saying Kurt Russell but I accept the possibility of Steven Segal
@borisdevilboon8064
@borisdevilboon8064 5 ай бұрын
You're thinking of Big Trouble in Little China, with Kurt Russel. But the reference was to the end of "Chinatown" the 1974 film noir with Jack Nicholson. "Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown..."
@Caleb_G_Davis
@Caleb_G_Davis 5 ай бұрын
I’m glad I got to play nighthaunt this edition before they go on their apology tour
@SynesthesiaBoy
@SynesthesiaBoy 5 ай бұрын
im having trouble with FEC, is the answer to the puzzle as simple as more ghouls and Ushoran?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
Yep
@Wicknology
@Wicknology 5 ай бұрын
It is interesting to hear you say that Sons is as high in the needs nerfing category but you dont do that with ogors. Have you played against the 36 glutton list? You are correct in saying that it is a very straight-forward list of honest warhammer, but so many armies cannot touch that DPS check, and on top of that most of that 200+ wounds is on a combat profile that wounds on 2+ and has natural damage 2. They are not unbeatable, but they need a points hike at the very least
@chronovac
@chronovac 4 ай бұрын
I think the potential for Idoneth is there, the rules are fun, and tides of death is basically unchanged, I just think we're pointed weird and we just lack non-hero units (or secondary heroes that can slot into regiments). I think we're slightly too expensive across the board with some stand-outs for being very over-costed, Sharks and Ishlaen come to mind. I think if we do get that vaunted range update, we'll be in a great spot and if we just come down in points we'll be in lower-to-mid fine. (Also they should just let us take a soulrender or thrallmaster in a regiment, c'mon GW like 60% of our range is heroes)
@brentlucas731
@brentlucas731 4 ай бұрын
Nurgle has just changed I think they are in a good spot.
@morteng.lauridsen8068
@morteng.lauridsen8068 Ай бұрын
So if I enjoy decks like Storm, Dredge and Eggs, then I should look at Blades of Khorne? Can it be done without demons?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella Ай бұрын
I would say more if you prefer U/B control, you'll enjoy Khorne, but yes, it can be done without demons, that's not an issue, though some of the demons are quite valuable, for example, the Bloodthirster and so on.
@morteng.lauridsen8068
@morteng.lauridsen8068 Ай бұрын
@@VinceVenturella Any suggestion as to what might scratch that itch of creating an "engine"?
@canisaleph
@canisaleph 5 ай бұрын
Any chance of getting high resolution images of your final charts? I’d especially like getting to peruse the Johnny-Timmy-Spike one.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
I'll put them out on Twitter.
@woolf552
@woolf552 5 ай бұрын
Maybe there is an argument to place Ogors currently in Spike? seems they have a lot of efficient warscrolls
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
I don't know about a lot, they havea few, but its not about the points in any given point in time, it's about how they want to play overall.
@woolf552
@woolf552 5 ай бұрын
Yeah ofc, I obv meant "a lot of gluttons"! but more a reflection given your comment on Slaanesh that they have poor faction rules but efficient scrolls, making them spikey- maybe ogres isn't as deep but seems some of their stuff is pretty efficient
@cyruskhashabi794
@cyruskhashabi794 5 ай бұрын
I'm a certified Timmy and I'm loving Soulblight right now, Belladama Volga plus 40 doggos is a good time, Neferata straight up killing a heroes on 5+ even more so
@the_uggh
@the_uggh 5 ай бұрын
No idea what was going on but I still had a great time
@drzephy
@drzephy 5 ай бұрын
As a 70% timmy, I'm really trying to drag seraphon over to my side of things with krox and aggradons
@asurman77
@asurman77 5 ай бұрын
My main deck for magic is a black green elf tribal and my main aos army is fyreslayers, would I be a Timmy spike then? The whole Johnny, Timmy, Spike thing kinda confuses me lol
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 5 ай бұрын
one line nagash + deathriders only is a bit harsh on obr imo. I still think there's something there with katakros & immortis, even if there's no battle formation to support it. I still think you can run arkhan, I think you can do something with mortek guard & foot wizards. I'd have them straddling between 'one line' and 'a few options' myself. But I am a bit of a brainwashed bonehead, so maybe I'm fooling myself.
@DemandredTaim
@DemandredTaim 5 ай бұрын
If they nerf manifestations would DoT still be good?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
They are benefitting massively from them, I think it would bring them down some. Hard to say how much.
@skullz291
@skullz291 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Manifestations are just insult to injury. The amount of control, damage, and shooting they do is their real strength. And horrors are still an incredible tar pit even with the nerfs.
@MichielDePelsemaeker
@MichielDePelsemaeker 5 ай бұрын
The Manifestations should have been a module. Magic Module II: Manifestations.
@jcbarritus
@jcbarritus 5 ай бұрын
I am so happy that I have yet another year of watching people roll their eyes and complain when i show up with LRL.
@SomersetDrinker
@SomersetDrinker 5 ай бұрын
I can’t speak for other armies, but I think your rating on SBGL and SC was a bit harsh. SBGL has a massive buff in bacchanal for all vampires (not just heroes) which means blood knights, VLoZD and all vampire heroes (like vordrai) hit a lot harder and have +1 to cast and if you go in to death rattle, you get an extra d3 models back with deathly invocation, pair that with a morris engine and you will have to wipe the unit entirely, otherwise the majority is coming back. With SC, you have a +1 to cast and a -1 for enemy casting with you’re manifestations, good general warscrolls 3+ and 4+ being base, decent shooting that gives +1 to hit (vigilors), prayers which are always good and some very good hammers. All in all, both of these armies feel like a toolbox that can utterly dismantle your opponent (if built correctly) or, at the very least, go down with some very hard kicks to the crotch.
@quahodron2756
@quahodron2756 5 ай бұрын
Love this show! Though I miss Tyler.
@Wijkert
@Wijkert 5 ай бұрын
1:22:09 Never thought I would see the day that Vince would be offended by a mispronunciation by someone else 😂
@TerrierHalo
@TerrierHalo 5 ай бұрын
If it’s Thursday and my birthday I’m hitting like and feeling old.
@amon-crow4414
@amon-crow4414 5 ай бұрын
Happy birthday buddy and age is a mindset. I bet you're a great hang:)
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
Happy birthday!
@GionisTheWanderer
@GionisTheWanderer 5 ай бұрын
What about Gotrek?
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
Never heard of him. ;)
@Hedonite
@Hedonite 5 ай бұрын
Ive gotten tabled twice by nurgle but still won because they just cant move. They get pinned and only glottkin really has the killing power. Nurgle should get some buffs to their core roster but. Glottkin deleting units with one attack is pretty funny. Strange rules
@michaelchampion936
@michaelchampion936 5 ай бұрын
I feel you are totally wrong about Maggotkin in the final list. They are the same as Khorne, with the exact same multiple options. They can build their lists along multiple different lines, I can think of at least four different ways. Now, what you are thinking about is building a powerful list, but as your first tier said they don't have any, and your 2nd tier said they do perform the infect others and don't die to easily well, it just does not win games. I say that they can build multiple lists, that all compete at the same level, all work in slightly different ways, and all perform at the same overall army mediocre level. So your final tier lists should be a reflection of your previous two tiers for each army.
@Wijkert
@Wijkert 5 ай бұрын
11:10 "my Blue Yeti doesn't seem better than mic on my camera".... 🤣
@UberPwner09
@UberPwner09 5 ай бұрын
I don't buy that Sylvaneth can really be classified as a definitive "One Line or Less" faction. Obviously, every list must include some combination of Alarielle, LoV, and/or Belthanos simply due to how they get around the limitations of AWW, but there's variance there: I've seen lists with just one of the three, or Alarielle & Belthanos, or LoV & Belthanos; and the kind of units Alarielle wants to take aren't necessarily the same you'd want to see in a Belthanos list, and vice-versa, so that already is 5 different kinds of lists. Past the Big Three heroes, there is a ton of diversity in the lists, too. Sylvaneth is one of the few armies in the game that can actually go heavy on shooting with Gossamids and Kurnoths; you can go big on cavalry with the bugs; you can play the maneuvering game with Tree-Revs, Gossamids and cav; you can even go full-on monster mash, easily - I actually saw one 5 drop list that was literally just Alarielle, Belthanos, LoV, Drycha and Durthu, and nothing else - herohammer monster mash at its finest! On top of that, bear in mind that Sylvaneth is also one of the less than half of factions in AoS with an Army of Renown (The Evergreen Hunt). Not only that, but unlike other AoR, like Trugg's Troggherd, for instance, which plays more or less the same as it would if you took the units with the regular faction rules, The Evergreen Hunt plays _completely differently_ from anything else in Sylvaneth, to the point that you have to completely change your style of thinking; it's practically its own unique faction. If your argument is, "That doesn't count since it's not a competitive list!", well, NEWSFLASH: none of the other, more standard Sylvaneth lists are all that competitive _anyway,_ so why not go for it and shake things up? So yes, while you will see Alarielle or Belthanos in _a lot_ of lists, Sylvaneth isn't nearly as much of a one-trick pony as most if not all the other "One Line or Less" tier factions, where you actually will see the exact same list copypasted over and over again more often than not. tl;dr, Sylvaneth = Solidly "A Few Options" tier, in this humble tree-hugger's opinion.
@Scarycrow89
@Scarycrow89 5 ай бұрын
Very sad that Khorne is still consider a pure Johnny, even with the Bloodthisters having been buffed to be good murder machine... Even the Blood-Tithe mechanic look simpler and... Timmier?
@Bedostar91
@Bedostar91 5 ай бұрын
Why fyreslayers « nerf incoming » ? Army looks so weak. I miss something ? Someone can explain ?
@arcus9590
@arcus9590 5 ай бұрын
I'd be mostly fine with Endless Spells if we just got rid of universal endless spells
@philipbowles5397
@philipbowles5397 3 ай бұрын
I've only recently been pointed to your take on the psychographic profiles, and I'm not convinced your take on Johnny is either right or very consistently applied in your discussions of armies. Paring back to the core concept that a Johnny wants to express something, especially their intelligence or ingenuity, I think the best application to a Warhammer context is the way you expressed it with Sylvaneth in a previous video - Johnny is the player who has a plan and wants to execute it, which is much the same as executing a combo in MTG. You often seem to use it to refer to armies and players who like to demonstrate their mastery of difficult gameplay or the minutiae of rules interactions in game, which is much more the 'nuts and bolts Spike'. The 'combo player' is more rewarded for conceiving and playing out the combo than necessarily executing it perfectly - Johnny may come up with a plan but Spike is the one who's concerned with executing a plan well. 'Making the right decisions at the right times', as you suggest is a Johnny characteristic in the FEC discussion, is surely primarily a Spike feature as it's more about proving mastery of the rules than expressing intelligence. This is obviously related to but not the same as proving your ability to execute a plan, which is more on the Spike side. To take the example where I most strongly disagree with your take: Idoneth give you a predefined plan of sorts - you have a set order in which certain things happen. But playing the army is all about optimisation - about making the most efficient use of each of your abilities at each game stage, and trading your resources for maximum advantage. And while the army is list-dependent it's notoriously an army that has often had a narrow number of 'netlists' which its best players work to maximise their ability to exploit, it's rarely offered a lot of creativity to list builders. Seen that way, Idoneth is one of the purest sheer Spike armies out there, and it doesn't have a lot of the synergy-based gameplay that appeals to Johnny. Playing Idoneth well is far more about proving your skill than expressing your intelligence or creativity, as it's not intrinsically an especially flexible army in either gameplay or list construction. Yet in a past video you had it as the epitome of Johnny.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 3 ай бұрын
I think Johnny also emerges in the list building, but several of the strongest Johnnies I know (they self identify as hard johnnies and there history backs it up), all chose IDK and were the ones that spoke to me about that being why they love the army. But these deifnitions are always a bit soft.
@danrathersproject1
@danrathersproject1 5 ай бұрын
I see psycho-graphic profiles and I just clap like a seal.
@nathanbuxton3271
@nathanbuxton3271 5 ай бұрын
How much do I enjoy warhammer weekly? I just finished watching every AoS army getting sorted into three types of tier lists, and I do not play AoS.
@Weslykan
@Weslykan 5 ай бұрын
SCE nerf incoming? I'm just unsure which parts you think are crazy. There's some okay pieces for sure but i don't see it
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
SCE? No, I didn't put them in Nerf Incoming, the opposite. :)
@Weslykan
@Weslykan 5 ай бұрын
@@VinceVenturella sorry this was a response to the initial statement made by your co-host. Apologies if that was unclear. I was truly curious as to which units and interactions he was referring to
@bartek_ewertowski
@bartek_ewertowski 5 ай бұрын
No Beasts of Chaos? :(
@Boost-EdAutomotive
@Boost-EdAutomotive 5 ай бұрын
Did I miss KO?
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 5 ай бұрын
personality wise obr WANTS to be spike, but to be spike you gotta be op, and their current rules aren't that. Not a complaint, mind, we were op for a huge chunk of latter day 3rd, we earned a bit of a break on the bench.
@Tsukiissi
@Tsukiissi 5 ай бұрын
feel like this list was made from after week 1 and not updated :( maybe thats just me lol but iono how you can put things fine when they been dominating and leave NH at super high nerf when they have been going down in wins
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
I assure you, I am looking at the most current data. NH is a menace.
@gregoryjordan1740
@gregoryjordan1740 5 ай бұрын
Spearhead Episode?😁
@markpandelidis2079
@markpandelidis2079 5 ай бұрын
I can't agree that Kruleboyz are done well. There's so many limitations, points are completely misaligned, the army has 1 build. The battletome has alot of work to do to loosen the reigns on that army. Ironjawz are even worse. Worst performing army right now. Goregruntas should have been 2 damage. The 4+ to hit with almost no way to improve that is harsh. The Megaboss' on MK were nerfed into the ground. Without those, the army doesn't function.
@cyagen9782
@cyagen9782 5 ай бұрын
Go Québec! Glitterboyz power!
@markpandelidis2079
@markpandelidis2079 5 ай бұрын
Objective Control is a pretty big miss. It's a GOOD mechanic. But again, the implementation is just completely missed. Where are your 4 OC heroes? Where are your 3 OC 3 man units? Where are the 8 OC heroes? Where are the abilities that roll over the OC characteristic for the effect? Roll a dice equal to the units OC characteristic and do a mortal for each 4+. Etc etc etc. there's SO MUCH space there.
@GionisTheWanderer
@GionisTheWanderer 5 ай бұрын
So Harlequins players would be spike pretending to be Timmy
@TheOldAdventure
@TheOldAdventure 5 ай бұрын
I never seen a more balanced army than DoK atm. And also I never had so much fun playing an army as I do playing DoK in 4th. There are of course some small internal balance things, but that's to be expected
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 5 ай бұрын
My defense for current FEC belonging in Timmy/Spike rather than Johnny/Spike is that the whole army revolves around their elden ring boss of a big monster faction leader. Johnny hates that the internal balance is so bad that a lot of the list building is decided for him. It's not that Johnny /doesn't/ want to run big Ush, but he resents feeling like he /has/ to. Timmy on the other hand loves that the super cool model, the one he bought an entire army just to have an excuse to put it on the table, is good enough to run 100% of the time.
@ismael9914
@ismael9914 5 ай бұрын
Also, FEC simply lack the unit variety to be expresive with their lists Basically their options are Bring Ushoran or play a worse army Ghoul spam or Knight spam If Knight spam choose between going full cavalry of sprinkle some Crypt flayers (crypt horrors are so bad this editions, they do negative damage, pls GW make them rend 1)
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
A good argument.
@thesoothsayer9223
@thesoothsayer9223 5 ай бұрын
Final tier list is to me the most important discussion to have when analyzing factions. As a Johnny I don't care if the army is good if there's only one path to get there
@GionisTheWanderer
@GionisTheWanderer 5 ай бұрын
Matthew Lillard look alike
@LikeTheSearchEngine
@LikeTheSearchEngine 5 ай бұрын
Nurgle is designed to be tough. Tough doesn't win games. The designers seem to so over value tough that Nurgle can't have anything else. Nurgle pays for being tough with: Points - Nurgle is expensive per model. We're slow - nurgle units are the slowest. In order to be tough, you have to be slow. At least, if the reason you are tough is because you are diseased. We can't be good in other ways - damage per point? Casting per point? Nah, we're tough so we have to be mediocre at those things. Just being slow would be enough to make life difficult. You live and die by battle tactics, and we don't have any tactic scorers that are efficient. But either being priced as an elite army, or being forced to be mediocre at everything else would also be enough. All three, though, is bruuutal.
@baynenothos
@baynenothos 5 ай бұрын
KO players are absolutely gaslighting the world. Your army literally can't be charged anymore in a melee focused game. What are you talking about Rough! You still more than enough have the output to delete whole units and are still fast enough to get anywhere you want.
@thomassmart4227
@thomassmart4227 5 ай бұрын
On the other hand you can just push them into a corner and then they can’t get away.
@skullz291
@skullz291 5 ай бұрын
They're just whining because they're a normal army now instead of absurdly overpowered. I had one nearly table me the other day on turn 1-2 double. I basically didn't get to play the game because they shoot and then entirely fight first. They're like a 40k army in AoS, I hate them. The worse they are, the better. Their design is terrible.
@baynenothos
@baynenothos 5 ай бұрын
@@skullz291 Been there, 'Aw man I didn't get my battle tactic vs a 10 pack of DrakeSpawn Knights with +2 to save 5+ ward -1 to wound on them, only killed 9. Game is over! Wait I'll just take a double and table you!'
@colonelcabbage
@colonelcabbage 5 ай бұрын
Where are Beasts of Chaos? They are “officially legal” for a year, and the tier lists are explicitly not evergreen. We’ve got “nerf incoming” and 2 factions with books being announced in days. GW already put us on death row, we don't need to pull the lever early ourselves!
@aaronsomerville2124
@aaronsomerville2124 5 ай бұрын
According to this very dubious psychographic theory, I should be playing Sons of Behemat. Problem is, they’re just big cavemen. Can’t there be a dinosaur or a mega-mammoth or a colossal hippopotamus or something? I’m just not interested in cavemen.
@nonameentered1918
@nonameentered1918 5 ай бұрын
Lizardmen. All big lizards ;)
@theharrower
@theharrower 5 ай бұрын
Khorne is not a pure Johnny army anymore. So much of the tactical dance is gone.
@Rakaizulu
@Rakaizulu 20 күн бұрын
Am a Timmy myself but I dont like the aesthetic of the Timmy factions. Sad times
@zielisawzielony9366
@zielisawzielony9366 5 ай бұрын
Spike hate fun and should play chess or shogi.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
Not always, I have plenty of spike friends I play with and can have great fun. :)
@dornsapothecary
@dornsapothecary 5 ай бұрын
Apologies Vince but I'm going to give up trying to watch some of this long form content on your channel. At 25 mins I have had to skip 10 adverts. I don't know if this is something you have control over but it's so intrusive that it's making the content unwatchable
@018music018
@018music018 5 ай бұрын
Manifestation vote: Hate 'em. Hate 'em. So much. Awful.
@markg.3171
@markg.3171 5 ай бұрын
One of you loves doing it the other one loves riding the wave of the moment. As Jeff bazos said don’t follow the hype train. Have a strong why. The writers block of the marathon of the middle, will show who has resilience and who doesn’t.
@baynenothos
@baynenothos 5 ай бұрын
I'd love to know wtf Tzeentch builds you're vsing cause the consensus in my club after some theory-crafting and tests is bin the whole tome, its garbage.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
The stats show they are doing really well, and I have seen many lists be at the top of results around the world, they are usually double chickenm, manifestation focused.
@HShaud
@HShaud 5 ай бұрын
Khorne is definitely worse than Maggotkin right now
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 5 ай бұрын
I just can't agree with that. Though they certainly have a small cost challenge.
@frankfurterberus
@frankfurterberus 4 ай бұрын
Khorne is insanely good. Murderlust alone should put them in blue.
@HShaud
@HShaud 4 ай бұрын
@@frankfurterberus my problems with them: -Skarbrand is overpriced at 510 and should not be a warmaster. He’s an exile in the lore not a leader. This forces him to be your general if you suffer the points to take him, and he can only take daemon units. This makes the army 3 drop at a minimum if you want to take any more than 1 Bloodthirster and a slaughterpriest- which are some of the best units in the index. We can agree that low drops are good in the current game state. -None of the mortals are great right now. Daemons do most things better and have better formations. -Bloodtithe rewards are anaemic. You no longer build lists around using tithe. Our cheap MSU units are useless and too slow to take objectives or secondaries like take the flanks or take their land. Murderlust as you say is good but no where near what it used to be. -High rend units do nothing to meta baddies NH -Khorne has no good cavalry units. Juggernaut variants are simply overpriced pinning pieces with weak damage output. They don’t hold a candle to Varanguard or pigs for eg. -Zero interaction with Endless spells. These will hopefully be nerfed soon but for now armies that have access to the universal manifestation lores benefit greatly.
@dornjr
@dornjr 5 ай бұрын
Forget it, Vince. It's 4.0 ... or Chinatown. 🫵😉💖
@jahpocalypse
@jahpocalypse 5 ай бұрын
"nighthaunt sales are down! make them OP!" gw sales manager/play test lead
@RAWxxx07
@RAWxxx07 4 ай бұрын
How did Tom perform with his Kruleboyz in the tournament? I think KBs have great tools, but they are way to unreliable. I lost many games, because my +1 Damage buff didn‘t go off, but I was in a position to charge or get charged next turn… I also can not tell you how many times my fight last failed on a 2+ or 3+ and the hammer unit completely destroyed my block of 20 Gutrippaz. I didn‘t mind the Mortal Wound game last season with KBs, but right now its just not fun playing them, because you are not bound to skill, but to dice rolls to go off.
@VinceVenturella
@VinceVenturella 4 ай бұрын
I think he did well, but not as well as he hoped.
@RAWxxx07
@RAWxxx07 4 ай бұрын
@@VinceVenturella okay thx. Yes Kruleboyz is a 4:1 army but not a 5:0 because of its unpredictably.
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