Unbanning the Titans! No Banlist Modern | Hypergenesis vs Izzet Storm

Thoralf & Carl aren't playing by the rules today and brought two decks full of banned modern cards. If you think Modern Horizons II is wild, wait till you see what modern would look like without a banlist!
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[@CardmarketMagic]

You can find the decklists here🦖🌩: bit.ly/3BtXoSI

[@becauseTRIFORCE]

There’s something deeply hilarious about you guys bringing no holds barred, wildly expensive magic decks to these videos and then somehow only having four dice

[@CardmarketMagic]

We have tons of dice but only 6 big dice. Still.... we should really buy more, they are only 1€ a pack 😅

[@jamespeake2606]

@@CardmarketMagic No, you get a set of even bigger dice.

[@mihailmilev9909]

@@jamespeake2606 I second this

[@theshadowking9626]

I mean it's pretty obvious they're not using actual cards they are proxies

[@aandylane]

@@theshadowking9626 they are the real cards, they're loaned to them for the purpose of the video by a superseller who has something like 600,000 cards for sale on CardMarket

[@fclyra]

Paper magic is just so much better than online play, but not on KZbin usually, 'cause you can't even understand what's going on like 90% of the time. Unless you're watching Cardmarket videos obviously, because they simply rock. PLEASE do more feature matches (particularly Modern ones if I may)

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you! That's so kind of you! We put a lot of effort into making the videos easy to follow :)

[@FPRobber]

@@CardmarketMagic It shows!

[@brandandixon3943]

sounds like a personal issue.

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

It feels like the first deck everyone tries to make when there's no banlist is Hypergenesis. I'd love to see more no banlist in the future.

[@CardmarketMagic]

We have done it a few times before! Here is one we did with Gabriel Nassif: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYvGZYB5YpKYnZY

[@tomneilson9501]

its a bit of a eureka moment

[@badvoodoo2097]

No ban list elves is pretty crazy

[@abusus75]

@@badvoodoo2097 i want to see affinity

[@actuallyKriminell]

play it in edh. Quite fun indeed

[@RumpledNutskin]

Thoralf's stupid grin at the end of game three is amazing 😂

[@JamesELLYale]

Man it's easy to underestimate how resilient storm can be. That game three really demonstrates why storm is such a dangerous mechanic. Spoiler below: Carl had ONE mana open and one castable spell when the Endurance's trigger resolved! It was CRAZY that the game was still that close!

[@800mls]

I just want to say as a more competitive player I am so thankful that you guys have exploded onto the magic scene with your brand of content. The fun atmosphere that you guys portray magic in is mostly monopolized by commander content that isnt very engaging for a competitive player such as myself. Keep doing great work!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you that is very kind!

[@thorinhannahs4614]

100% this I am not a competitive player but I see commander as more of a social driven game with less interesting interaction and nearly always going infinite to win.

[@kurtgrgelwrx8376]

"I'm too silly" for prison is a hilarious quote, love it

[@Intelton]

Great production quality for a great constructed video. You all are really producing some of the best magic content!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you! 😃

[@alessandrodellanno948]

Jesús what a topdeck in game 3

[@matthewhalsan6459]

Damn, what an ending. I forgot that Sara's emissary can do that, truly a nail bitter.

[@Playingwithproxies]

That is the first thing people name in commander.

[@NathanLipetz]

4:51 Chrome Mox doesn't exile the card as a cost, it lets you choose if you want to exile it on resolution. You also should probably put the card imprinted under it to avoid confusion of what (if any) color it makes

[@xander_man]

Carl’s shirt is hilarious! The content is great, keep it up!

[@williamw8590]

The hard cast simian spirit guide was incredible

[@zzzjonny1989]

There’s no reason to cast the simian spirit guide. He already has lethal with grief attack + 1 from fiery islet. Also, grief has menace so the only way for Carl to live is by taping out and casting a creature. Thoralf can than play the gem stone cavern and pitch simian spirt guide to play archon. When Archon revolves, Archon will make Carl sacrifice a creature and lose 3 life putting him at 1. With only one, creature grief is still lethal.

[@Ornithopter470]

@@zzzjonny1989 hard casting the simian spirit guide isn't about optimal play, it's about sending a message.

[@mewr11]

In the last game, Carl could have cast Flusterstorm to exchange some of his Empty the Warrens copies for Baral loot triggers to try to keep going off, since even without Thoralf's last draw the 18 goblins wouldn't have been enough to chump the creatures on board and then swing back for lethal. It's definitely not obviously better than just going for the goblin stack, and does present an amount of risk, but eating some - or all - of the copies to sculpt your hand and try to find a way to get to Grapeshot would have provided a chance to win that turn, rather than giving Thoralf the chance to topdeck something.

[@CardmarketMagic]

I considered it! And thought it was too risky. I had completely missed that thoralf's deck is unlike regular hypergenesis when making that decision thought. I though 19 creatures was enough to stall until I could flashback past in flames and storm again because he would not be able to cast Emrakul's and Progenitus any time soon. Forgot that he was casting elementals and emissaries

[@NathanKim-Warren]

Could the emissary have been countered by the force of will in hand?

[@codyphung7912]

​@NathanKim-Warren yeah had to look it up, force of negation is counter a noncreature spell, which i didnt know cause force is way out of my budget

[@NathanKim-Warren]

@@codyphung7912 me neither, that makes more sense

[@stekei514]

Would love to see a no-banlist deck playing against the top 3 format archetypes. Would really show why they are banned.

[@Ornithopter470]

A solid half the cards on the modern banlist can come off of it because they're strictly weaker than things like hammertime or infect. Umezawa's Jitte is banned because it was too good 15 years ago. It's mediocre compared to most of the equipment in Hammertime, and not amazing against infect. Sure, it can snipe creatures if you get the counters on it, but that still just loses to infect, because it's hitting you as a 12/9 or something like that. Same with the artifact lands. Affinity dropped every affinity card (except for Thoughtcast, in a few lists) because they weren't good enough. Hypergenesis is insane, but the deck is slow, uninteractive with opponents threats, and kinda wiffs on the not dying to hammertime on turn 2/3. Splinter Twin could *maybe* work, because that just slots into grixis control again and gives it a spicy combo finisher. KCI still doesn't have a reliable way to deal with a turn two hammer, or with grief/fury/endurance/solitude. Eggs is a crapshoot whether they even get to try going off.

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

@@Ornithopter470 point is ban lists are pretty dumb

[@Narnach]

Thanks for the fun videos. Props to the editor who does the overlays and animations. Those are on point!

[@Drakshl]

I think this is pretty definitively the best magic channel on KZbin now, or at least up there with the heavy hitters. I love the general focus on 60 card, the real attention to detail with the production values and the fact that it's all about the game. Honestly a channel about MTG focused on actually playing and talking about the game of magic as a game rather than as a product shouldn't be hitting an underserved niche in 2022 but it absolutely is. Channels about the business of magic, meta discussions about sets as products and release schedules, content on supporting products like slieves and deck box's ect and product openings all have a place but the core of the space should be about the game as a game, and this one is a really good example of that

[@CardmarketMagic]

That's very kind of you to say! :D

[@mercadepalmer6967]

Loved this, Thoralf and Carl played the decks beautifully. Funny and well edited, good job guys

[@Rurrikk]

I loved arena boys and seeing thoralf and jamin play in person is fantastic

[@Mr_Maladroit]

I love their chemistry, they are so fun to watch

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you! :)

[@willlind9487]

I will never not watch one of these. Love the banned card lists. Also, this is a sweet UI overlay with the hands and effects of cards. Great job editing team.

[@masterchaosforge]

Thoralf did a small punt in game two when the gitaxian probe was cast off of the past in flames with just red floating. He could have just waited for manamorphose to be cast and nuke the graveyard in response

[@jadanejda9674]

Game 3 he should also only give away 2 elephants, so terastodon can't be trilple blocked.

[@arsenyvasilyev1063]

I really love your videos like this I didn't play Magic when these cards were printed, but I started playing because of crazy stuff like this, it's always interesting to see, why some cards are overpowered Thank you so much for your content!

[@deanlinden1635]

Been watching for a while, I love your guys synergy together. The banter is fun to watch

[@diabeticmonkey]

This was so fun to watch. It always reminds me that when nothing is banned, there’s a strange way that the game balances itself sometimes.

[@the7569]

I much prefer to watch people play in paper then a recording of magic online. absolutely love how you guys have been making these videos and I would absolutely love for more feature matches. I'd love to see more modern, pauper, and legacy. (my favorite deck is legacy manaless dredge so hopefully one day that gets featured on here haha)

[@CardmarketMagic]

Manaless dredge is a personal favorite! If ever we get back to playing legacy... :)

[@cartu6432]

I would LOVE to see Hypergenesis again. Just rewatching the video and Atraxa would be so good to that deck, allowing to even bring force with more confidence just like its happening with Oath on Vintage

[@poketech7192]

LESGOOOOO BEEN WAITING FOR THIS WEEKS FEATURE MATCH ALL WEEK!!!! FINALLY!!!

[@hermelin12]

Nice to see that format again;) Also the Carl and Thoralf Chemistry is explosive

[@siradzki5905]

Things like "Well I actually did that" "... no you didnt" "Uuhm okay, sure" *1minute later, police arrives* Is why I love this channel and the Moderators 😄

[@miguelbibeau8]

Started to watching and I can already tell the video will be a banger

[@bariltrailette]

32:30 best draw ever

[@devonlockard1236]

First time I’ve ever seen a hard cast simian spirit guide swing for the win on video! Great content!

[@Talos-wc2li]

This is quality content. I‘d love to see more no ban list modern.

[@CardmarketMagic]

We have done it a few time before! Here is one we did with Gabriel Nassif: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYvGZYB5YpKYnZY

[@davec8385]

This was fantastic! Looking forward to more no ban list modern

[@CardmarketMagic]

We have done a few more before! Here is one we did a few months ago with Gabriel Nassif: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYvGZYB5YpKYnZY

[@davec8385]

@@CardmarketMagic thanks for the heads up! That's another great video. I hope you have a great rest of your day

[@thorinhannahs4614]

I find I like the more broken formats of magic. Something about racing your opponent or hitting them with the banana peel in G2 or G3 is pretty great. These guys are great fun to watch.

[@harmlessoffer]

It’s so good to see people just having an insane amount of fun playing super powerful magic

[@vulkan5790]

“Lmao topdeck” -Yugi, from Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@Ian-qf5ny]

Thoralf is awesome haha. Ive been away from magic for probably 10yrs and it is a bit hard to follow being unfamiliar with the cards but this is a great series. Edit wow glad theyre showing the cards more in this episode haha!

[@DerringerHK]

15:05 Toffel predicts Battle as a card type lol

[@colgatelampinen2501]

I liked holding ssg in hand in last game, would had had 8 mana next turn for archon to win through past in flames and would had lost less life to lands against grape shot. I'd like to see pauper mono-u faeries.

[@baukeveenstra1364]

I could watch content like this for hours and hours

[@Mefusio]

Just some guys which are happy with their jobs! So nice to see! Great video

[@LelouchVi572]

this was really good. hope you guys can do more no banned list modern

[@Scud422]

Thoralf could have won game one on turn 2. Seething Song into Gifts with 3 Red floating, get Manamorphose, Past in Flames, Rite of Flame and Seething Song. No matter what he gives you, can make more mana, cast PiF, make more mana, and then cast Gifts again with enough mana floating to eventually get there.

[@CardmarketMagic]

Carl did not have a seething song on turn 2. He gifted for it on turn 2 using all his mana, and then Thoralf had a Chancellor in play

[@Scud422]

@@CardmarketMagic You're right, my bad. I thought the Past in Flames he had was a Seething Song.

[@Ieafff]

LETS GOOOOO! awesome video guys I love watching thoralf and carl go head to head.

[@Netro1992]

Watching this again just makes me want to see a no ban list 12 post deck.

[@jutton11]

I like how "yu-gi-oh" (the anime not the card game) this is. Life bars, showing us what cards they've got in hand, etc. Real cool.

[@Delarissa]

I think the mechanic that got the most cards banned is easily Affinity for Artifacts.

[@CardmarketMagic]

Yes that would actually be correct 😅 my bad

[@Habizbah]

"I'm too silly for prison." What a great line 😂

[@xwraiths]

The disrepect from the monke kill was great.

[@Ieafff]

as an avid storm player carl needs some wishs in his deck to be able to use his sideboard to deal with anything annoying.

[@CardmarketMagic]

I thought about wish actually! But I figured sorcery speed would just be too slow for whatever No Banlist modern throws at you. Also, I was really expecting Thoralf to bring Mono Black Eldrazi 😅

[@Ieafff]

@@CardmarketMagic yea that’s true thoralf handed you one of the worst matchups you could get. You did a great job playing against it though. Keep up the great content!

[@anoobindisguise4337]

11:10 Adding one mana to the cost of Hypergenesis would be pretty funny

[@nagsorinaste5658]

I love no banlist games, always so fun to see what nonsense one could get up to

[@DraygaFlight]

That ending, such a good twist!!!

[@itsanoriot549]

Absolutely love seeing no banlist modern. Such a fun format!

[@nathanielreichley4640]

Great to see you again Toffel! I've missed the Arena Boys

[@MarcP865]

man, that Elephant shirt from Carl is amazing!!

[@Pistolsatsean]

These gameplay vids have been great!

[@khurgar8120]

surely playing the spirit guide there was a misplay? Keeping it in hand means a guaranteed archon the turn after which would be a 100% guaranteed win since he cant fetch or use firey islet. Since you know he was only on 4 hp you also knew he would have to go off that turn, or atleast stop you from attacking by grapeshotting your creatures. I would be very interested in the reasoning behind this play :o

[@KKDT]

GG guys! Well played (and produced)!

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you :D

[@CodiTC]

I normally don't enjoy banned list content but this was good!

[@chronosorion6911]

It seems like Hypergenesis should have stopped once someone chose not to put a card on the battlefield, maybe it would have been less broken and never banned if it had been ruled that way instead.

[@iclimbeverything2990]

Dang I really freaking love your guys content! Keep it up

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you :D

[@AsbestosFilter]

in the first game, knowing toffle holding a chancellor in his hand, i think carl should risk it and do a storm on turn 2 because he could net 3 mana after a fact or fiction and continue with after forcing toffle to pick between past in flame, manamorphose, seething song, and pyretic ritual. toffle would have no choice but to give 2 rituals and let past in flame flashback resolved

[@benjiboy1337]

I'm honestly kinda interested in no-ban Modern as a format. Except for Hogaak. Somehow I think that if this were a real format, that card would still be the most broken kid on the block, even if you can spirit guide spirit guide cascade into hypergenesis slam Emrakul on turn 1.

[@NOMASTER1021]

Ah yes, protection from socrecies, my favorite card type to choose

[@GodammitNappa]

More impressed he drew triple ponder in a row... thats insane unluck

[@maxTheOG]

that last game was a work of art

[@abgelaufenes]

The reminder text on chancellor of annex isn't accurate since it says to pay colorless. Which is more restrictive than paying 1 generic.

[@etienneetienne9545]

Very fun to watch, as always. Please try some unrestricted vintage ! Would love to see that. Keep up the great work, love you guys

[@CardmarketMagic]

Wooooow unrestricted vintage sounds dangerous! I would not know where to start. Do you have any suggestions? This is a topic I would be interested in doing

[@tommimajapuro4081]

Why does no banlist modern actually just look better than regular modern nowadays?

[@jonathanhall218]

"I attack with Simian Spirit Guide for lethal."

[@lonelyness170]

Me and my dad play vintage, and he has a deck with hypergenisis, enter the infinite and omniscience. Needless to say it usually doesn’t go well if you play against it

[@CardmarketMagic]

Hahaha I don't know what you are playing, but it seems like your dad might be winning a lot of the games :D

[@doctor-goggles]

i'm the world's #1 advocate for robust, well-managed banlists. But there is *nothing* more fun to watch than NBL modern.

[@doctor-goggles]

Also these decks feel like they should be solitaire matches but I must begrudgingly admit that Endurance made this pretty interactive.

[@nekrataali]

I think they could unban a lot of cards in Modern, especially with cards like Force of Negation and Endurance. These aren't even the strongest decks in the format (but they're a blast to watch). The turn 4 rule is pretty arbitrary...sometimes turn 3 kills are okay (like Hammertime), but other times they aren't (any deck using Simian Spirit Guide). Hell, I think Infect some Prowess variants can still kill people on turn 2.

[@ryangainey94]

I'm surprised I didn't see any Deathrite Shaman dredge shenanigans

[@milanmach2379]

Had to cheer for Thoralf in this one, that shout out to Czechoslovakia from Carl 30 years after it's been gone broke my heart :(

[@herbhaley5895]

What an awesome elephant shirt! If my daughter seees that I'll be on the hook to buy one for Christmas.

[@wrongserver]

when you cascade you don't shuffle your whole deck Thoralf!!!

[@alecolson8360]

Damn I am digging how you showcase so many ways to play

[@simonr6268]

Playing the Simian Spirit Guide game 3 was horrible, it just enabled the lethal Archon. Of course Toffel got lucky with the top deck and won anyway. Love the content!

[@CardmarketMagic]

He played it because it was lethal with hardcasting the Endurance :) and yes, thoralf got lucky. How do you think he won a pro tour? He just tutors cards to the top of his library somehow 😅

[@notgate2624]

I've only played hypergensis in commander and have never watched any gameplay involving it. I had no idea it kept going even if someone decides not to put something in.... That's insane.

[@nekrataali]

That's why it's banned everywhere lmao

[@Scud422]

I would love to see a no-banlist Modern match featuring Affinity vs Dredge. Both decks could benefit from 5+ different banned cards.

[@CardmarketMagic]

It's an older video, but I've tried affinity before! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIHGZ4aAbZ6napY But dredge is definitely on the list for future videos :D

[@niteospero]

Where can I get Carl's elephant shirt?

[@CardmarketMagic]

It was from a small Etsy store. It was a gift. Sorry, wish I could tell you from where

[@TehKorwinMikke]

This was greatly pleasant to watch.

[@niklasbolz4267]

Loving it, pls keep up the great work

[@travisrussell3250]

Took me way to long to realize Carl's shirt was an elephant.

[@cameronyoung303]

Hey I enjoyed this video but want to comment on your Modern Meta top five video. How does someone build a different tier one deck in modern that is not in the current meta? Do they create to hate / counter current meta or is there a formula needed to build a new competitive tournament style deck? What would you do to create a new tournament deck, I am thinking of building in Dimir.

[@FishSlappingGenius]

Carl, where did you get your shirt? I need it

[@helhal]

Carl! I saw that shirt before but only today I found out it is an elephant 🐘 😅

[@TimmytheSorcerer]

Liking this and I don’t even play modern 😂 well done guys 🎉

[@iamerror7392]

Omg that elephant shirt. Amazing

[@abusus75]

guy i ALWAYS look at your content. Your channel is awesome. Please never stop.

[@CardmarketMagic]

Thank you that is so kind! 😃

[@abusus75]

@@CardmarketMagic since magic stopped to do protour, paper magic is not a thing anymore on youtube, your are the only one with this type content and i love it

[@marinusbrask8186]

Currently building a deck utalizing curious obsession and combat research with a spirits gameplan to win the game. Would love to see you guys play it😁

[@CardmarketMagic]

What format is it for? Do you have a decklist?

[@0hboii13]

I would've taken the baral with the Don makes everything one cheaper so it's like cutting off a repeatable land

[@nicolocuzzocrea]

In another life, Toffel could have been a really great actor (but he's a really great mtg player instead so I guess that's ok). Great content as always!

[@DrondaDesuix]

Im confused as to why carl didnt flusterstorm the endurance, wouldnt it have meant that he would have had more draws to then hit a grapeshot or aria?

[@ThymeTwister]

Unfortunately Flusterstorm only hits noncreature spells :/

[@lexnaum]

Emergency break, hope things weren’t too scary

[@MordecaiandMonroe]

Random idea. Id be interested in seeing a bunch of ordered decks to see what that would even look like against each other and how finely tuned it would get. How small could you get a deck if you could guarantee the perfect draw everytime. And which decks are the strongest if everything went perfectly for both sides.

[@thelastaudst1174]

Its a fun premise but the meta game of interaction spells means that there is no perfect draw.

[@MordecaiandMonroe]

@@thelastaudst1174 of course. Theres a way to do it I believe but I aint the one that can crack the code