Unlimited PTO is a scam!!!

[@Rafael-qk9jv]

For everyone with unlimited PTO. I learned a long time ago, be unapologetic and take a month minimum (this is not even crazy for a salaried job). Don’t ask for permission, just make sure everything is in order and say I am leaving these days.

[@dor736]

Exactly.

[@tintindev3747]

That's what I do.

[@clublulu399]

That’s right. Get that shit done and PARTY HARD

[@patty6279]

Agreed!! Took me a long time to stop feeling guilty for using my unlimited PTO and to unapologetically set boundaries for myself but now it is SO FREEING.

[@ntuan9360]

One time I took time off to work the census.

[@BusterDarcy]

I worked at a startup with unlimited PTO and yeah sounded good on paper but in practice you end up feeling like you are asking permission any time you needed time off and everyone took very little of it - and it wasn’t like the leadership was enforcing this kind of culture, it just naturally occurred because we didn’t own any actual days off anymore, it was all theoretical. I work for a much larger company now and they are rolling it out but I’m in a leadership position here and you’d better believe I’ll be setting a good example for my teams and taking lots of time off and talking about it all the time to encourage them to take lots off, too.

[@bmoon9007]

Lead by example. Why not make a rule for your self, 5 weeks is normal for UN counties. So, take at least that amount off.

[@PszemoI]

Until they bully you into making better numbers than your competing team lol

[@kuvjason7236]

We need more people you in management.

[@singingtallit583]

you nailed it girl. corporations are NEVER your friend

[@itsalexthegreat]

My last company screwed me out of pto by "forgetting" to turn off my paycheck when I was on maternity leave. I came back with negative pto and they fired me after 1 month and kept my last check too. But I got ALL the unemployment so sucks for them!

[@PsychGirlRaven]

Unemployment isn’t the same Amount as your pay check. You need to take them to court for that final Check.

[@itsalexthegreat]

@@PsychGirlRaven That's correct. It was not more than my paycheck. I did file for the check through my state's services and the company was in line with their policy so they didn't have to pay it. They did have to prove it though.

[@lovingme1st973]

Were you working for United Healthcare?

[@BELLABARBIE420]

Exactly! A lot of jobs are offering that as a way to get you in the company. Because they will never approve your PTO. I learned that last lesson the hard way and ended up quitting. NO MORE TOXIC WORK SETTINGS!!!

[@amechealle5918]

The company my friend works at give their employees a monthly “mental health” allotment to use on hobbies. I won’t say the company, but she is VERY happy in her job. No work after hours and if there is a work “emergency” they are paid twice their hourly wage. Yes she doesn’t take all her PTO but she does take a 3 week vacation and two mini vacations 5 days a year. They also have a gym and earn points towards gift cards for eating healthy in the in house cafeteria. She’s been there almost 15 years and still loves her job.

[@ctgeblue17]

Why won't you share which company? Share the wealth 🤔

[@chrischehade366]

Capital one lol

[@justine313]

Companies don’t pay out PTO when you leave anymore! I’ve seen it with my last two jobs.

[@Will140f]

My last job I had to pay them back for 3 vacation days I took that I hadn’t “accrued” yet when I quit. If I’d have worked til the end of the year I wouldn’t have had to but specifically because I quit they shorted my last paycheck by approx. 3 days of pay

[@YankeeGirl226]

Ugh. My last company did this. They took away PTO payouts the year before I resigned. I had 27 unused days. I should have said eff it and used them. I won't do that again.

[@zerina.]

I believe it depends on the state. At a previous job in NJ, my boss said that he doesn't "have" to pay it out according to the state law.

[@bd9057]

Some state is use it or lose it. Depends on the company policy. Some state requires a payout. Doesn't matter what the company policy is.

[@lazer2521]

Unlimited PTO to me means "you're just as replaceable as a fax machine, so don't screw up".

[@jamesstewart4457]

Or a box of tissues.

[@seapeajones]

Cuz PTO on the books was stopping us getting thrown away after use? Mkay

[@juliemac5604]

My friend had it at her job and her husband had a heart attack. It was a godsend.

[@christianavance9124]

Tomorrow I get my last check from a basically minimum wage job for a non profit that I dedicated almost all of the last 3 years to. I'm getting more from my PTO than I would when I've worked OT

[@adrianarellano4282]

I hear you! I worked for a nonprofit and they bled me dry.

[@SailorYuki]

Sneaky sneaky. Thank you for educating us and calling out these companies. Here in Sweden we have PTO regulated by law and collective agreements. Some get advanced vacation pay, meaning they get theirs paid in advance. Which is all nice since you get way higher pay, but should you quit, you have to pay back the days you haven't used. The other option is like your usual salary. You can take your vacation days as money but you'd have to pay 50% tax on it. And if you quit, you get the remaining days payed as a salary with your final pay.

[@llspeziale8844]

A company I once worked for with Unlimited PTO put in my new hire contract that it was mandatory that at least 2 weeks of PTO is used. I heard it was because before it was required people just never took time off.

[@nataliewood2012]

I think part of the difference is also based on the company. I have unlimited PTO at work and they encourage us to schedule time off every month. They want us to step away and recharge. This works so much better for me so I can a balance family time, sick kids and work without the added stress of, “oh no I only have 3 days and paid time off left” when something comes up.

[@marik1104]

Thank you for this! I've been seeing unlimited PTO in several job ads lately.

[@lorimondel]

People forget that if you don't know your manager and/or have a good relationship with your manager, they may not give you the PTO time that your ask for off. If your manager has favorites or a vendetta, they can take it out on you as their employee. You're beholden to them now. If you and someone else want to take off at or around the same time, the manager might decide to approve them and not you (or vice versa). The manager also might decide that they need you to work on the days off that they already originally approved for you. I'm just thinking of all the scenarios that managers may use to get their employees to work more, pay them less, burn them out, and then replace them. Unless you have a good manager and a good relationship with them, unlimited PTO is absolutely a scam.

[@thewisdomdivatv]

I LOVE unlimited PTO. I don’t take off weeks at a time but I schedule my healthcare & self care appointments without worrying about how much time it’s taking or making up the hours. I also take at least one extended weekend every month. I never want to count my PTO days again. I don’t need the money when I’m gone, they will tax most of it anyway…

[@Veryvery987]

I have it also and I agree, it feels like much more of a benefit even though I know that company benefits as well. No more waiting to accrue time to take a vacation or forgoing taking a day here and there for the sake of “saving up time” for several days off at once. It’s a mental break, for sure!

[@singingsiren82]

A lot of people don't remember to take time off. For some people hours to count down gives then motivation to use it, and if they don't have that reminder they don't take it.

[@doubledutchclutch]

Thank you Vivian! Living up to your moniker as my Rich BFF. I never would have figured this out on my own. ❤️

[@f.stewie6429]

Omg! Thank you so much for explaining this! I thought this was a great idea even though I knew I couldn't take every day off. But I never realized they don't have to pay out vacation days!!🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@fdm2155]

Ding Ding Ding! This is exactly what I thought about. Right now I have 10 WEEKS of PTO in my bank. So they are not fooling me with that bogus 'unlimited' PTO claim. LOL

[@Redallstar1]

If your company allows you to accrue 10 weeks of PTO, then unlimited PTO works against you. If your company only allows you to accrue 2 weeks of PTO then adopts the unlimited option, you just scored a crap load of PTO. It comes down to your company’s vacation policy.

[@fdm2155]

@@Redallstar1 Well, I think what Vivian is saying is that they tell you it's "unlimited" but in reality it typically isn't because you can't necessarily take off whenever. And, the company saves money but not ever having to cash any PTO out. This is not an issue for me. My firm is very generous with PTO. I've been there for a long time. I started with 5 weeks/year. Now I get 7 weeks/year. Its a bit less generous for new employees... IT people were abusing it by leaving less than 2 years in and cashing out several weeks of PTO.

[@brydenofboise3783]

My org has unlimited PTO with mandated minimums for use so people actually use it and it’s fantastic. I’ve been able to take more vacations and live my life while still being productive at work. Unlimited PTO isn’t a scam unless your org doesn’t execute on it well.

[@myhallyulife]

What is the mandated minimum PTO at your job?

[@brydenofboise3783]

@@myhallyulife 21 days a year

[@gayaneg.3805]

So true! When I quit my job, I got accumulated PTO as paycheck and it was like 2 months worth.

[@charliem1236]

I have unlimited PTO at a tech company and take 30+ days a year off. Just have a good boss and it’s worth.

[@noneofit85]

100 %.. Mega ridiculous! I have been under this non sense for years now..

[@m0nz13]

I get where she’s coming from. I have unlimited PTO at my startup and I’m still working on my off days because we have a lack of manpower! I’m still burnt out and I’m working twice, if not more than I used to. Even if I were to take a month off, I still need to work regardless. I’m better off with just a remote working benefit.

[@amber13691]

I just got a job that advertised this and I was so confused, thank you for explaining.

[@juancarlosgomez-montejano2961]

Yes!!!! Especially in California since PTO is treated as vacation time, and vacation time are vested wages that must be paid out at separation. Scam indeed.

[@videoguy640]

I have unlimited PTO, I love it. I don't track my vacation days I'm taking much more than I did in my past job. The culture here is that you notify your team you're taking PTO, you don't request it. Obviously it's manager dependent, and you could have some managers pressuring you to not use it as much. But I've had 3 separate managers here and have never once been asked to not take it. It's also so clutch for sick/mental health days. You don't have to worry about saving up your days for vacations anymore. I think the message should be to use it if you have it. At my previous company, I had a set amount of hours. And there was more pressure and when it was a "good time" to take it

[@Will140f]

I work for a tech company (smaller) that gives us unlimited pto and people really do take them up on it, without it being an issue. And yes, you need to get your job done still but that’s not a “scam…” that’s what they hired you for.

[@phastinemoon]

She’s talking about when BIGGER companies do this. A small company, it’s different because you know your boss and they know all of their workers. A giant conglomerate like Microsoft? They will definitely pull some shenanigans like, if you ever take the time off, your performance review will be really poor, or there will be toxic workplace pressure towards you for “not being a team player” or some nonsense.

[@Ashley_Baldwin]

Don’t disagree but also as a manager, when my company moved exempt EEs to unlimited PTO a few years ago, I make SURE that I take at least as much PTO each year as I was given before the switch (5 weeks). And be prepared with business cases for the work I otherwise get done. But I also have a really great manager who knows I work hard when I’m working and am serious about my time off when I’m GONE (that goes for me AND my team below me).

[@missnivealove4484]

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! EXCELLENT POINT!

[@Daley16Videos]

I work for a biotech company, where doctors can buy extra tests for patients. All the office employees (HR, sales people, etc) get unlimited PTO while the laboratory workers get 4 weeks of PTO, no exceptions unless you get COVID. The office people also get to observe an additional 10 days off for holidays that the lab does not observe. They tell everyone when they hire them, "we offer unlimited PTO," even if they're hiring them for the lab which is just a lie.

[@KoiAi_]

I work in tech at a well known pharmaceutical company, they no longer pay out for any vacation time once you leave the company. This company earns billions a year and that's the route they take. Also if you don't take your PTO in the same year it's issued, you lose it

[@skylar-rz8it]

Idk about scam but maybe just another option with pros and cons

[@shumatsuopost]

This is a very good warning! Appreciate it!

[@jingyeow]

Absolutely correct. Also the company doesn’t need to accrue cost towards holiday as it has no idea how much you’ll actually be taking. When I worked for a US company they surprisingly didn’t offer this to my U.K. branch as we take our full allowance every year. Our US colleagues typically would only take 2 weeks with unlimited PTO as they didn’t want to appear as falling behind their colleagues. Also you could be terminated in the US with no notice in some states

[@zanzibarspice]

💯👍 Better if companies couple unlimited with a mandatory minimum like 2-3 weeks. Lest they forget….physically and mentally rested workforce in many cases comes back refreshed and with higher productivity.

[@chrisortiz8072]

I live in Pennsylvania and I got fired for being hurt at work. I had to get surgery missed time. I tried to use my pto and they fired me 2 days later. Lolol so even normal pto has it's limits.

[@Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living]

Did you talk to an attorney about that? They can’t do that.

[@bluethunder9102]

Sue

[@Fecbar]

You americans are on a different level.

[@jsanns]

Exactly!!! I say this to my company friends all the time.

[@Song_about_a_girl]

My mom had unlimited PTO. Yeah it was unlimited already bc they NEVER approved it for any reason!

[@mongoosae]

I've worked at "unlimited" pto at companies that have both fine it right and wrong, thankfully my current company has 22 company holiday days off, so even if I don't take 20 days like I would if I had use it or lose it, I only really need to take 8 more days to break even with that

[@TravelingGaby]

The reason why people take less days off with traditional PTO is they are used for Sick days. PTO is supposed to be vacation but mothers, and fathers use them for parental leave which is messed up that they dont get adequate time off and everyone usses it as sick days. If you use up sick days and have no PTO left you cant, no show no pay in some companies. Countries with unlimited PTO are happier because people are relaxed enough to know if they get sick they cam still afford rent. Unlimited PTO should be mandatory.

[@keyka2011]

My job use to give us three sick days .this year they are gonna take sick time from our pto. For every 30 hours worked , you accrue one hour.😶🤬

[@gracieluf424]

Im a supervisor and I encourage my staff to use PTO, they hardly take any🤦🏻‍♀️. I tell them, schedule that hair appt, car maintenance, hell, a day to organize your closet, that’s what I do! Here and there I take days off from my SICK. I use my vacation when I actually go on vacation. They take 1/2 a day and go on a rant explaining why they’ll be off. I cut them off and simply say: If you have the hrs to cover that’s fine 👍🏻. Not because I don’t care or for being rude but bc they’re not required to disclose what they are taking PTO for! And I’m not allowed to ask why they’ll be off either. PEOPLE USE YOUR PTO AND DONT BE APOLOGETIC ABOUT IT

[@GGCanLove409]

While I'm salaried with a generous PTO plan, it's hard to take off because the work is still there for you when you come back, plus what you currently have to work on. I usually just extend a long holiday weekend by a day or two and take weeks off in the winter/holiday/system update time when work is slow.

[@nancy8269]

Thank for speaking about this!! I’ve always been skeptical about unlimited PTO.

[@vivkadbi]

Unlimited PTO is totally intended as a bait & switch, but it can be amazing if you take advantage of it by understanding that time off is not optional. It’s a NECESSITY for your well-being. Especially in the American hustle culture-in which mental and emotional health are not yet a priority-if you’re getting your work done, why would you feel guilty or worried for using your unlimited PTO? It was offered to you as a perk for joining the company, you’ve earned it (even if it’s not officially accrued by an HR software). Also, if a reason we don’t like unlimited PTO is that we can lose $ when we leave the company, then we’re part of the problem, and can’t really complain saying that companies DGAF about us. After all, businesses are looking out for their best interest…so we gotta look out for what’s best for us.

[@hjg6892]

I have unlimited PTO and I prefer it. I can virtually be off whenever I want, and in 2022, I probably took about 8-10 weeks off in the calendar year I'm in the states and that's basically unheard of. Yeah, when I quit, I won't get any PTO payout, and yes, statistically, my 8-10 weeks off is an outlier, but my point is, if you are offered unlimited PTO, TAKE IT.

[@trianglesandsquares420]

How do you not get fired? Do you manage to do your job really quickly, or what?

[@Charthe3rd]

Same! I make sure to take advantage of this benefit (to keep it a benefit 🤣).

[@103Kimberly]

But my worry would be that the company would find a reason to fire you, because you are the outlier who is actually using the time off

[@serenaclairetalks]

@@103Kimberly I guess that’s the reason statistically the majority of ppl actually end up taking _less_ time off, not more. (Fear of being fired.)

[@randallcraft4071]

​@@serenaclairetalks that's the reason why I didn't take my PTO at the huge food company i worked at, I didn't even have unlimited, everyone else did. Then when I worked at another huge telecom job that gave a week, I almost lost my job for not being there when I had jury duty for one of the biggest trials last year and they refused to pay me as though it was a regular day and it not count against PTO like the law says in TN saying they go by laws of Washington not Tennessee even of their employees are remote in a other state. I am so afraid to not be at my job cause how far behind you fall and the look it gives. Sure people say take the off time they give you but off time feels like a trap

[@Readstudycry]

When I worked for a company with unlimited PTO I never took a real vacation because I never felt entitled to it. Having set PTO is so so much better- I can log off with zero guilt

[@TheKhalid1]

I’m a software engineering manager at a startup and I treat 4-5 weeks as the minimum for my direct reports with our PTO unlimited policy. Organizations who encourage this from their employees will have happier and healthier employees imo

[@JjSylvC]

My bf works for a company with unlimited PTO and his manager actually had to talk to him at the end of the year to encourage him to take more time off 😅 At least his manager is looking out for him and reassuring him it’s okay to be off for more than a week or two.

[@jaylacy9912]

That’s awesome!

[@ivana5618]

I got a check for a week of pto from my last job. Yes it was nice but that job gave us 2 weeks pto and that included sick time. I was too afraid to take time off I wanted to keep the few weeks I got in case of an emergency. I'll take the unlimited pto.

[@ebl36]

Except that it makes for happier more relaxed employees, which is super important

[@IAmTheGlovenor]

Well in my state, I can take PTO literally whenever I want at a moments notice with no repercussions. So, I'd literally take more pto than I could earn with any other job

[@singingsiren82]

Definitely depends on the person and company. I have unlimited PTO and I use it. As long as my work gets done and the people I work with are happy we're solid. I have a week and a half off in March. June. Thanksgiving week. And Christmas week. Plus a few 3 to 4 day weekends thrown in. That being said, people need to remember to use their pto and if they use it a lot that they show they can get their shit done. The biggest reason people take less pto off when on unlimited PTO is because there's no ticking clock telling them how many hours they have to take, especially when it's a use it or lose it policy every year.

[@SeniorSunday]

Also, some companies with "unlimited PTO" still have a minimum utilization rate that essentially force you to work a bunch of hours to take time off...

[@SuicideMike5150]

I got downsized and given 2weeks “severance” but also 2 week vacation pay I had accrued. “Accrued” as in: earned as part of my compensation. Sometimes you may hear about people being “made to take time off” because if they don’t use the PTO it’s like they are not getting part of their compensation and the company could get sued for it just like as if they didn’t pay you.

[@sunshinelizard1]

That was the first thing that crossed my mind when soon after I started my new job they switched to unlimited PTO, that yeah, that means I won't get paid for unused PTO when I leave so this saves the company lots of money and is just another way to reduce benefits. Corporations think they must increase profits year after year. At what point is that not feasible? In the mean time, it's the work force making them richer and richer while we get more and more poor.

[@interamerica6027]

Agree with you. There is no comparison between a company that gives you 4 weeks of PTO every year and accrues vs. a company that gives you "unlimited" PTO. There is very little chance you will be allowed to take beyond 4 weeks of PTO every year with a company that gives you unlimited PTO. The difference with a company that accrues PTO is that they will ask you to take PTO so that it does not accrue on their paper.

[@abdulsunny2893]

I work at a place with unlimited PTO, and while most of Vivian's points about it are valid, some of them are not. I have taken 23 days off in the last year, excluding company holidays, so i would say your mileage may vary. But i know that if and when i quit my job, none of it will be paid out because there isn't a way to calculate how much money i would be owed

[@DembaiVT]

Many times if you take that unlimited time off even once, even for a medical reason, emergency or whatever, you'll have that added to future reviews, and possibly may get your fired.

[@candicepiercy3682]

I could not hear you, I was being spoken to by your diamond...You go girl!!!Glad I like and subscribe, trying to get like you!!!

[@gettingthatlove419]

I don’t agree with your overall take here. Do you want to leave a company with a PTO payout whenever you quit? Or do you want to take as much time off as you need or want throughout your tenure with the company? The solution here is to take vacation!! Take advantage of the policy as much as is reasonably possible. Unplug. Spend time with your family. Travel the world. This is NOT a scam and actually creates a much more healthy work/life balance if you harness the policy effectively. If you don’t, that’s on you. But you don’t get interest payments on that accrued time and you don’t get that time back you spent YEARS not using your PTO. Pass.

[@gettingthatlove419]

I could be wrong but I think the taxes you pay on a PTO payout when you quit is a lot higher than if you had just taken it as regular earnings (aka taken vacation).

[@trianglesandsquares420]

Have you worked at a company that offers that? If so, how did it work out?

[@gettingthatlove419]

@@trianglesandsquares420 yes! I work at one now and have been here 8 years with unlimited the whole time I’ve been here (~100 or so employees). It’s fantastic. I think a big part of this has to do with the culture-are you creating a culture where your team members feel empowered to take time off? Are they able to completely unplug while they’re on PTO? Do you have some level of redundancy so work doesn’t fall behind and/or get missed while they’re out? It’s been a great success in my opinion.

[@vulpixelful]

Yes, I think youtubers that perpetuate this myth have little real world work experience. They started a youtube channel maybe because they were unhappy in their positions, but don't imagine that there are non-toxic workplaces too...

[@joncarroll2040]

It's definitely better not to have a PTO balance but sometimes things don't fall out that way. People can get new jobs or be laid off at any time and if the timing doesn't work out with how PTO refreshes and when an employee prefers to use their time, they could easily have a balance. I used to use my PTO two days at a time to take weekends off and then took a week off in October for a big convention. My PTO reset in July due to my anniversary date. It was a retail job so there was also a blackout between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Even though I was pretty religious about using my PTO, I still had a balance when I was laid off (which was nice because it was like an extra week and a half of pay on top of severance).

[@Beanhill_94]

I had I have unlimited PTO. Last year I took 11 days off.

[@georgew8586]

So I retired a couple years early, after my last day in the office I had a bit over 7 weeks of vacation available to use, still an employee with benefits. After my actual last day I had almost 4 weeks of accrued vacation on the books. So almost 3 months of pay. With unlimited PTO it would have been 0 dollars after my last day in the office and a loss of benefits for 2 months.

[@TheNewMissyJ]

I’m sure they also have a lot of other ways to keep people from using all the time. Freezing days or some sort of penalty if a certain amount is taken in whatever given bs 😂

[@cptr]

Now the fear that if you’re gone for more than 3 weeks and they do fine without you they may cut you

[@CaraMarie13]

I find this so interesting. Like if i had unlimited PTO at my current work i would look at the calendar for the whole year and send my boss a bunch of request totalling eight weeks. I have five weeks at my job and i sent my supervisor four weeks i will be taking off this year on the first week of January. Like don't let the "endless choices" keep you from taking your vacation. You don't have to be out for a week every month but you should plan a reasonable amount (at least four weeks imo) that you know you want to take off.

[@JaclynStuard]

If it gets rolled out here, hubbs and I are both looking at negotiating a higher wage with the condition of PTO likely no longer being compensated if the position ends without the PTO being used up.

[@CuratedVibes]

My issues in most jobs is I end up being the work horse for my teams, so it's very hard for me to take off without coming back with a pile of work. This is why I hate working on teams and I really have no desire to be the star employee. I want to take off 3 weeks to travel to Japan, Bali and Australia but I would probably be taking my work with me.

[@jordanmcgrory2171]

Add to that if you are very efficient and say hit all of your targets working a 4 day week, that will read in the corporate stats as though your team/department is over-resourced. They'll just fire people and allocate you more tasks.

[@vonericsparks9517]

I’m self employed and the only time I’m off is when my equipment is down

[@joncarroll2040]

Unlimited PTO should be called "Cinderella Time" as in you take when your "chores" are done...but the chores will never be done because the employer will keep piling on the work.

[@maruzkascloset9718]

LOVE your straight talk!! 💕

[@dsncode]

Yeah, makes sense. If you take too many then companies will punish you giving you more work or checking your performance

[@dadgarage7966]

My job gave me unlimited PTSD.

[@shrut31]

Thank you, finally someone said it!

[@Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living]

Unlimited PTO is something that looks great on paper but sucks eggs in practice. First, you don’t really get “unlimited PTO”. If you want to take more than a week off, you get the side eye, and if you’re taking more than a week off for illness, you now fall under the disability bucket, and you end up having to go on STD and taking a pay cut since disability plans only pay you 60-80% of your salary. Even worse, if you’re taking off to care for a sick parent, spouse or child, you now fall under the FMLA, and they don’t have to pay you. Second, the main reason is exactly what you said. If the company has set PTO hours, in most states in the US, companies are required to reimburse you if you leave or you’re laid off because it’s often included in your overall total compensation. With unlimited PTO, they don’t have to reimburse you if you leave or are laid off.

[@marinamccann]

Thank you! I’ve been wondering about this for a little while and I wasn’t 101% sure. Now I know, I can tell my coworkers. ❤ + first! 🙂

[@rachieru382]

So what I'm hearing is "Take as much paid time off as you please because you're not getting vacation pay anyway". I'd use it as sick days, vacation days, AND mental health days (because they probably don't have those either).

[@ecay]

I like the information you give. I want you to keep it up but if you're going to work for a company because they offer a vacation package or a time off package, you're going to work for that company for the wrong freaking reasons. I have worked many companies and very rarely ever get any kind of paid time off or vacation time. The only reason that it's I get it now get vacation time now is because it's in a contract and I have to use it for holiday pay because I have don't get paid holiday pay but I have to take the day off. I hate taking time off so even if I had didn't have to take it use it for holiday pay. I would let it go. I wouldn't even cash it out. I was just let it go. I hate time off. I'd rather work. I work two full-time jobs. I hate vacation time. I hate holidays. Holidays are a freaking waste of time. I have hated holidays since I was a kid that includes Christmas birthdays my own waste of time. So when I do have workplaces where I have vacation that's paid and that's a use it or lose it I lose it. I don't care. I let it go because I'd rather not take the time off

[@kevinalumbaugh5496]

Most of these companies have strict performance metrics like minimum billable hours, so good luck using any of it.

[@zaczane]

Doesn’t matter either way for Georgians. They don’t have to pay out on ANY PTO.

[@seymorefact4333]

It's a guilt trip! I have many friends with unlimited pto.... they are to busy to go on vacation!

[@Redallstar1]

I have 390 hours of pto and cap out at 420. Once you become a senior or above, you no longer accrue pto but instead move to unlimited. It’s a scam. Our seniors, principals, and management took more time off when they accrued instead of having unlimited. The good news is that they cash out your existing pto when they promote you from a level 1 or 2 to a senior.

[@E-Bee44]

People out here really complaining about pto, meanwhile I get none 😭

[@emidow12]

More people need to understand this! Thank you!!

[@rheaa1400]

You hit the nail on the head! It’s not good for me. It’s good for the business. Yep!😂

[@VM-3]

I have unlimited pto and I was hired with 4 weeks pto and I hardly ever took it. With the unlimited PTO I am taking 6 weeks off to make my compensation worth it. 5 days every other month. 🙂✌️ It makes you actively think about time off and all my prior pto was paid out to me.

[@skinnypete3104]

I love my job bc it’s so rare to have unlimited PAID time off but after 14 years with the same family (nanny/personal assistant) that’s what they give me. I’ve also never taken advantage of it but it’s totally appreciated

[@whitneyshenelle]

My sister has unlimited PTO but they still have to request time off. It is a scam imo. When she asks for time off they don’t let her and when she ended up taking some days they wrote her up and she did not have any PTO time to make her case. Unlimited PTO = More controll/less payout

[@4lavonne]

My pto was capped so I didn't use it, thought I would get it paid to me when I left. Nope, I was paid the capped off amount and see ya! Still haven't gone back to a corporate job yet.

[@josephjones836]

If you actually want unlimited PTO, the best option is unemployment.

[@valenciajoseph5261]

😂😂😂

[@Xyz99899]

@Koqui Onefourteen yes you do have you heard of apply for unemployment?😂

[@kencornist1716]

#Fact.

[@shareea202]

FACTS!!! My firm just established unlimited PTO for certain level employees. Before I was converted to "self-managed time", I received a pay-out of my (large amount of) un-used PTO....worth thousands!

[@KillaK4]

Every company I left didn’t want to pay out for unused PTO anyway

[@BrandonCowley]

I have unlimited PTO and took 9 weeks off last year, got all my work done, and my company supported it 100% 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@m.s.3041]

Lol... just 15 vacation days? In Germany are 24 paid vacation days mandatory by law. Normally you get even like 30+the national holidays (around 12 a year, but they can be sometimes on weekends)

[@polymatverick]

And accrued PTO also helps you balance inflation because if you earn the hours at $10 per hour and leave at $15 per hour they pay you at $15 per hour. I have been screwed by unlimited PTO

[@jollypodger7102]

“Your burnout is entirely your own fault because you have unlimited PTO; you would be able to handle three people’s worth of work if you were better organized and more focused.” Or words to that effect.

[@sueharris6616]

You’re so right in what your saying. Keep up the good work

[@bmoon9007]

Yes you may get payed for PTO that you did not spend. But it is better to take your time off, money you can get but time is something you can never get back.

[@mikahbaby2]

In a roundabout way this reminds me of my old job. Hired me for manager, then demoted me back to assistant under the guise of “you’re the most paid assistant with the company” yet they’d cut my hours so they were still paying me the same amount in the end. Scams allll around us from jobs lol.

[@tybotiger]

I agree with you 💯 percent..... It's common sense...We will lose..,..