TF2: The F2P Conspiracy

[@ardaural7690]

fun fact: even if you have a premium account in tf2 you cant use voice or text chat if your steam account isnt activated (meaning you have to spend at least 5 dollars on steam)

[@watema3381]

Damn 🗿

[@Xylidine]

Bruh moment

[@thestratposter3515]

..

[@benjammn2157]

My vc still doesn’t work, I have it turned on in options, I can see the hud and in game icons for it, but I still can’t hear anyone

[@C.A._Old]

I wish we could see Valve Team Fortress 2 in television commercials. Just like in Left 4 Dead 2.

[@digitalpixels471]

i always feel so bad when i see a f2p desperately trying to communicate to me in casual, they start shaking violently and nodding at you

[@yazidefirenze]

"You want me to follow you?" (demoman with a gibus looks around wildly. Assumed nod.)

[@The_Red_Scare]

@plaguedoctor460 *No voice to cry suffering*

[@lostgem8225]

​@@The_Red_Scare_No will to break _

[@justaneditygangstar]

@Plague doctor lmao

[@captainjigglebeard7785]

@@lostgem8225 No mind to think

[@CoolSs]

i will not lie . the chat feel bit lifeless without them .

[@highmedic2351]

How so?

[@kapa_nitori]

@@highmedic2351 you dont see the words of literal children anymore... *usually*

[@highmedic2351]

@@kapa_nitori What do you mean?

[@kapa_nitori]

@@highmedic2351 alot of F2Ps are children. why do you think games like Fortnite and Roblox have so much kids playing it? Because they're free.

[@SEÑORQUESO17]

Yeah, its sad to not here what the default engi who only uses the stock pistol named pablo.gonzales.2004 has to say :(

[@juliancore1089]

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[@scrapbotcommander]

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[@stinkdoodle1]

@@scrapbotcommander Text communication is not available for this account.

[@paimanaue]

@@stinkdoodle1 Text communication is not available for this account. Text communication is not available for this account.

[@GaiaWatch6]

(internal screaming)

[@TheBlockyDeer]

Text communication is not available for this account.

[@MrIncogwastaken]

I feel so bad for the people that paid 20$ for TF2 and then the next day it was free

[@asid5067]

20$ Brodie helmet

[@HDROID]

i think they got a hat the people who paid 20 dollars

[@thatforknightwhoendedyourPrank]

@@HDROID yeah but you still get that if you buy the orange box (for some reason, I tried it)

[@theBLARGSTORM]

​@@thatforknightwhoendedyourPrankand the valve complete pack

[@thatforknightwhoendedyourPrank]

@@theBLARGSTORMyeah I forgot about that

[@OvrLmYdIwx]

being accused of being a bot and not being able to defend yourself is the most infuriating thing in the planet

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

having a bot call a vote on you and people f1 is even worse

[@V0L4RE__VIA]

Fr, when I was an F2P, I would continuously get kicked from my (somehow) favorite KotH map, Viaduct, as well as Harvest. It's so freaking agitating. I once got banned from a casual Hightower match for moving the cart to the end and ALMOST winning (We were all the way behind before I joined and played as Scout). Technically, I got banned for being decent at Payload Race. 💀

[@leif-jt9xq]

Pretty sure F2Ps can't call a vote either

[@Enggor]

I’m an f2p for now, but the way I do it is hit the wall so that the marks spell “hi”, and it usually works

[@Enggor]

@leif We can

[@bashdzy]

I was f2p to play for about 800 hours in TF2 the ability to not talk was very much a handicap I couldn't say there were spies I couldn't call for medic I couldn't say that the enemy medic had Uber it was very hard to play with no communication

[@Succer]

How do you have 800 hours to play but not 1 dollar.

[@afsilver07]

​@@Succeris not a matter of have, is a matter of want. Not everyone wants to spend that one dollar

[@bashdzy]

@@Succer it's called being a teenager that doesn't have a credit card

[@aro_ger_]

@@Succer Why would someone pay money on an Free-To-Play game? They could but maybe They just don't want To..

[@alejandropetit6573]

​@@Succer I have over 500 but I'm still a f2p, maybe it's dumb but some people just don't want to do it

[@Sigwion]

I would join a petition to restore at least Voice Commands to F2P accounts. Just at bare minimum!

[@iterativeimprovements1713]

Voice commands without a doubt, but text chat too with a maximum of 1 chat per minute seems unharmful to me.

[@ran631]

Especially considering voice commands habe a cooldown

[@meeedicthethird6423]

At least let em use voice comands, i miss the good ol days of having a f2p demo be so scared of dying. So he kept yeling medic. And y know what it worked, i ubered him and he got some kills. Now they can yust stare and hope i notise them

[@NoSkill_fr]

I mean u can make the petition yourself if u want a lot of f2ps would appreciate it

[@angzarrpsyco]

Agreed. And if need be. Add an update to the cool down system that's based on how much you've been using the same voice line

[@dek5775]

The poor f2p trying to tell his team there's an obvious spy behind him but his mouth got ripped off by valve

[@Headshot_jessie]

Mmmmmmmmmhmhmmmm

[@someoneunknown7655]

I have no mouth and I must scream

[@NeuronActivation-1]

as an F2P i get constantly kicked because i dont call out spies, making my team think im crossteaming, i hope this doesnt only happen to me since it is annoying to deal with

[@Tommyknocker.]

Never had any similar situation to this. I've got premium, and I never used any voice commands

[@Eduardo-vu7gb]

wear gibus and pyrovision they'll understand also nod or shake your head AGRESSIVELY

[@LeoTF2]

when i used to be a f2p i instantly got kicked off every match and i didnt understand,they were only kicking me because of (F2P) in my name so people know that i cant just spit medic or something when im dying and not because i was a f*cking bot like no way people still believe bots are f2ps man,i could not play casual until somebody gifted me premium after like 567 hours of playing

[@DrippyPootis]

@@Tommyknocker. Do you have cosmetics, if so thats prob why.

[@Tommyknocker.]

@@DrippyPootis Yes, some unique ones or whatever their name is

[@spiffy3430]

F2ps are the equivalent of children in kitchen. They have no idea what they’re doing, but if you let them cook, sometimes they can make a decent meal

[@OldChannelRezto]

Or burn the house down

[@keineahnung4331]

What

[@thewindwakinghero7423]

I'm a chef!

[@highaf111]

I don't do meals. I do crystals

[@manwithgun9768]

As a pyro main, I burn the entire house down

[@ediot1426]

i got tf2 pretty recently without even knowing this was a problem, and boy was i severely disappointed when i learned i was locked out of the most basic functions of communicating in a team based game.

[@someoneelse4811]

​@@oofman6744 Yes, and now he's offering advice a Free-To-Play wouldn't normally get.

[@Microwav64]

same here, and it is kinda sad that a squid based shooter has more communication options than a 15 year old game. :/

[@_Flippy]

@@Microwav64booyah!

[@TheFrantastic]

​@@Microwav64Splatoon is still subpar for having 2 options for communication after 8 whole years. They still blatantly have 2 unused buttons shown right on the hud for crying out loud!

[@danakanam5]

​@@Microwav64 splattoon was the gateway to me playing shooters lmao

[@Pudding404]

F2P's are the future of a game like tf2. Make fun of them all you want, but their fresh and new journey in tf2 is the reason tf2 has lasted for as long as it has for the most part. We were all f2ps and/or new at one point. They remind you the freshness of being new, and yeah, tf2 is a game, it's suppose to be fun.

[@foxiestofbuns3727]

F2P's are the heart and soul of the game, sure the bigger part of the community is also important but they do not care about the F2P's it's why I've always disliked the hate for random crits those crits are there so the little f2p gets a fun moment and levels the playing field.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

This is incorrect. Team Fortress' gameplay, design philosophy and reputation is what makes it stand the test of time. It wasnt f2p for 4 years of its life and people put money on the table so f2ps could download the game and assume they should have major sway in the discussion with no respect to the history. I am a f2p and the numbers on servers went up, and then down. So many people were feeling ripped off and dissapointed, because they were. It wasnt hats or cartoonish art style, its that an experience made by adults for adults got taken over by lying children, then later down the line bots. F2p def get people coming, but its really odd when people show up to a party your throwing and tell you how your party sucks because it isnt theirs.

[@arthurpietrogarcia1057]

@@christiangottsacker6932 lmao that doesn't make it right to not let new players call for medic, or help their fellow teammates by saying that there are spys or sentries.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

@@arthurpietrogarcia1057 its what happens when a small studio gets a giant controversy to deal with. I wouldnt wanna work on the game much when most of what you hear are demands and not solutions. The community has been given opportunity to take over and i dont remember how that went but i dont think it stuck.

[@arthurpietrogarcia1057]

@@christiangottsacker6932 that's the job of the game developer, to find the solutions, Also the community updates were only maps, Weapon reskins have always been a strange case to me... And cosmetics, no weapon balancing allowed.

[@astrius22]

Just started playing yesterday. One guy did a narrator voice, encouraged us and played songs for us. What a gigachad. Couldn’t talk to him tho. Gave him a steam award. I love this community.

[@Chuck_Normies]

How is it now? Hope you got that delicious Premium status

[@nobody7204]

As a F2P, our only mean of communication are basic taunts. Please help

[@carlosbustos8096]

And nodding or shooting walls (me)

[@deathgobbler4774]

Text communication is not available for this account.

[@Grayson-tk5hn]

*insert soldier melee taunt*

[@scruggly_ahh_commenter]

@@Grayson-tk5hnAGAEHAEGEEEAEAE (bonk bonk bonk)

[@HeavyFortresss]

8:40 that spy might be one of the funniest edits ive ever seen, and its litterally just a small scream i cant stop replaying it

[@miguelangelcerverapalma6140]

absolutely

[@chieffirefigherplays]

Ikr

[@DzekoZacher]

with UnusualSandwich's word sync up with the moment by the word "idiots"

[@ElixirUs69]

Wat is spy me thank 😭😭😭😭😅😅💥🤣🤣💥💀😊💀🔥🦷💥😭😭😭😭😭😭😅😃😅😃😅😃😆😆😆😃😆😆😃😆😃😂😃😅😃😆😃😆😗😗😁😃😃😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@fridaythe13thfanamogus]

@@ElixirUs69 why did bro try every single emoji

[@C.A._Old]

Plus this doesn't just apply to team fortress 2. It happened in Counter-Strike Global Offensive on June 3, 2021. And exactly 300,000 Players left the game in one month and lost.

[@Touhou2006]

When I found out they got rid of the free way to get to premium, I’m pretty sure it was out of complete greed

[@C.A._Old]

@@Touhou2006 Yeah indeed is it. Thats why i drop play CSGO in June 2021. 1.5 Years i not playing any more. Valve Already ruined everythings. ah mann... Both Game F2P killed by Valve... Valve is Not Old Valve. Dark Era & Age Valve.

[@Touhou2006]

@@C.A._Old I agree

[@leandrogoslean889]

@@Touhou2006 Nah it was because cheaters were using the system with bots to get easy accounts upgraded and sold them to other people or other cheaters

[@Touhou2006]

@@leandrogoslean889 meh, csgo bans way more cheaters than tf2 can. Plus cheaters arent really a big deal in csgo back them, and their measurements against cheaters in csgo were so crappy.

[@kadzgamer9557]

As a player that started playing TF2 in 2020 and still going strong I can feel all of that hitting deep

[@highmedic2351]

2$.

[@RatLordFL]

@@highmedic2351 it’s 5$

[@mekhane.broken9678]

@@RatLordFL +tax

[@RatLordFL]

@@mekhane.broken9678 isn’t it just a direct transfer of currency?

[@MurdokEXTRA]

@@RatLordFL Ok real question here: Do people say it's 5$ because it's the price of premium pack in the Mann Co. store? Because here's the thing: you can spend less than 1$ - the game converts your account into premium with any purchase. Or at least it did when I started playing years ago and just bought the cheapest thing available at the store - a weapon. I never bought anything else in the Mann Co. store and I'm definitely not restricted from any in game functionality be it voice chat or backpack extensions.

[@renthewerecat]

nothing hurts more than seeing a spy behind someone and being unable to say anything

[@AfterWarCat]

3:19 "finally i get item" is my reaction to when i get a different item

[@TheAdvocate7274]

This reminds me of a story when I started playing tf2. As a free to play and new to playing on pc I didn’t know how to give a banana to teammates. So when one day I was playing heavy, and a burning spy came up to me ask for my banana. I accidentally ate it in front of him, needless to say he died. I now live with the guilt of letting a man die, and I couldnt say anything to stop it.

[@foodaah]

did he say anything afterwards?,if not he may have had a good laugh,you're playing a game that players often killbinds just for fun and laugh after all.

[@TheAdvocate7274]

No, never said anything, nor I didn’t see he ever again that game.

[@KiiBon]

I would've laughed my ass off if I was that spy

[@Sniper_TF2_REAL]

@@TheAdvocate7274bc he was the spy from team fortress 2

[@estrelaplatinada6506]

put this guilty to valve, not you

[@Tj1212__]

in european servers especially you see almost no bots but a whole lot of f2ps and its just such a waste for vale not letting them be able to speak

[@Gon-hx4df]

​@@drecognis I only tend to see bots during the night, personally

[@IamEnderDragon]

i got into 3 separate games all with bots full of them

[@TeenWithACarrotIDK]

@@Gon-hx4df It also depends on the server.

[@honkhonk8009]

In most servers in general, there are no bots. Their kicked almost instantly. They only infest the games like Harvest and whatnot. They dont leak into Payload since they get kicked instantly.

[@nonononohonhon7905]

As a frankfurt server enjoyer (because every other server is kinda far) I see bots once-twice a week, almost always kicked in a instant

[@spyke7311]

Being a F2P unable to do basic team communication, while Bots being able to mic spam all day long is SOOOOOOOO annoying.

[@Koongaaa]

Yes, I would like valve to give me my vocal cords back.

[@whodidwhatnowandwhy]

it's sad that even post bot removal valve is still restricting free players from communication

[@Shadow-._duo]

as a f2p it's kinda sad that i can't talk or call a medic i already died many times because of it plus i can't even say that there's a spy behind the people making the spy killing almost every single person of my time on the front line

[@caparezzafan675]

just play on community servers

[@aro_ger_]

As an *F2P* myself with currently *818,8 Hours* In the Game, playing *Team Fortress 2* while NOT being able to communicate really Is.. *Lifeless,* but you'll get *used* to It.. eventually.. But I also have to get used to It, that I'll get kicked because: *"I didn't warned my Teammates because of Spies; I didn't warned my Teammates because an Enemy Übercharge coming at them.. And, and, and.."*

[@Futo_no_mononobe]

Thats the least of your problems in pubs, the worst thing isnt being able to defend yourself in chat when somebody is calling a vote kick to you because everybody thinks you're cheating

[@absolutezerochill2700]

I have *140* hours in TF2 and stopped being *F2P* this week. Ironically I got the *Gibus* only yesterday, completely on *accident* while playing with my *friend* I introduced to *TF2* last month who started with a *premium account*. I stopped being *f2p* because he gave me a steam gift card *for introducing* him to *TF2* . It is *hard* and it always sucks getting *kicked* by a bot with no way to *defend* myself. I actually started when *bots* could still impersonate *players* and thought I was getting *kicked* in my 5th or 6th *match*, but it was a *bot*. I relate to *you.* But why are you typing like *this?*

[@unoriginalcharacter]

@@Futo_no_mononobe i already got kicked once for getting 2 headshot as a f2p gibus sniper.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

​@@absolutezerochill2700 For emphasis. Context clues and basic reading comprehension help. This Isn't Someone Typing Like This Again.

[@absolutezerochill2700]

@@Rad-Dude63andathird why the emphasis on *used* though

[@Whomobile]

I still think the decision to prevent voice commands was baffling

[@davisdf3064]

Removing voice commands literally crippled me as an F2P, i can't even warn people of Spies or Sentries or even do funny interactions, only stare :(

[@daanstrik4293]

Even at the time I considerd it baffeling. If you’re even slightly familliar with these kinds of groups you would have predicted they would find a way to bypass the restriction (i’m actually suprised how long it took them). And the main problem with bots wasn’t even the voice/text chat. You could simply mute them or disable chat. The main problem was them making the game downright unplayable with hacks.

[@deathgobbler4774]

Text communication is not available for this account.

[@Luke_Taggart]

I can’t call for Medics. I honestly think that this game shouldn’t be F2P anymore. It’s been out for almost 20 years.

[@realCaveJohnson]

@@Luke_Taggart you want it to be paid access? dang

[@TheImmediatePastPrez]

As a relatively new player, voice chat has typically felt like it's only used by the more skilled players who had usually joined as a team, and there's very little interaction between every type of player and I think that having some of that would be very interesting

[@Mateeazz]

the fact that the restrictions are still a thing even after the bot crisis is ridiculous

[@TheShawna18]

when i first got the game, i was so excited, until TEXT CHAT IS NOT AVALIBLE FOR THIS ACCOUNT appeared.

[@male_07official]

same. watching this video makes me too sad for my own good.

[@reinbew62]

After I got through the tutorial I played casual (after banwave btw) and then got confused on why I couldn't call medic.

[@wolfthegreat87]

As someone who prided himself on being a F2P for several years and unfortunately made the tough decision after these updates to give in and buy a key, I would like to thank you for speaking up for us. Free-to-Plays are the blood of the TF2 community, and to see them stepped upon like this has been hard. You're right, Casual just doesn't feel right without their voices.

[@alejandropetit6573]

As a f2p who only started playing on july of last year but loves the game a lot and is always trying to get better, thanks for making this video. Not being able to mess around with other people with voice commands or just compliment a good player for hitting a a good shot kinda sucks, I wish we could at least use voice commands because being able to go from fighting to being friendly and spamming voice commands in the blink of an eye is one of the main things that make this game so special to me, but as it is now I guess I'll just stick to playing on community servers most of the time.

[@generiquefrenchman5451]

Never underestimate an f2p, you never know when you encounter a gibus medic god

[@u3581]

Yehz. Anyone who plays medic can drastically increase your teams chances of winning Considering that they dont suffer Doesnt matter if they suck, as long as they press 2 and M1 on people.

[@evagineer9165]

@@u3581 and they can spycheck and land those crossbow hits just right

[@alicudechimario3896]

I am more of a combat-healing medic, if my teammates fail at killing someone, i Just try to do so

[@P-zero0]

as a f2p, its just suffering, i cant call for a medic, cant call out for a spy, cant chat with others, not even being able to say thanks for someone gifting me a hat. i was at 20 hp, I reached out to a medkit just for it to get taken by a teammate, i tried calling for a medic but... i simply couldnt. -\_(0_0)_/-

[@insertcoolnamehere8516]

I’ve honestly gotten used to it, probably because I main medic and never really called for one in the first place due to normally being the only one. I don’t even remember the chat keybinds anymore. Still waiting for my voice back.

[@P-zero0]

@@insertcoolnamehere8516 i stopped playing tf2 primarily for this reason and its mostly pay2win

[@muscleman125]

I find plenty of people use the voice commands and (lesser extent) manually type info into team chat. Even more, lots of people are always keeping an eye on chat. If you say someone's name into the chat, they will almost always see it relatively quickly. Now that the bot crisis is done, they should revert the F2P voice commands and chat restrictions.

[@BaileyChap]

As a F2P, I almost never play on casual specifically _because_ of the lack of voice communication. As for voice chat being an advantage, I'll say this: there were matches where if I'd had voice chat we wouldn't have lost, for example, I knew that two enemy medics had uber and kritz between them, and heard them call out that they were fully charged, but I couldn't tell the team, and could only watch as they uber and kritz a demo, wiping out the entire team, and losing us the final point.

[@valenking4862]

Pain

[@pwning5651]

someone needs to make a website/forum for F2P's to share their stories instead of just pouring whatever happened and couldnt say anything about it i know if i said as a f2p (insert some story) back when i was a newbie during 2022 id be getting roasted

[@the_motherfucker]

"Because" isn't an acronym

[@meep.472]

are you acoustic, electric even ​@@the_motherfucker

[@-ZM_Gaming-]

​@@the_motherfuckerthis aint english class, still gives me nightmares of having to read 60 books

[@LowProfile0247]

So true, can’t believe the no chat & voicelines update isn’t hated that much rn

[@randem_6503]

It because most p2p players don’t notice that f2ps aren’t talking, I honestly forgot about the changes until this video and it’s so unfortunate because more people should definitely be up in arms about this

[@NoSkill_fr]

@@randem_6503 True

[@ModeratelyCool]

​@@randem_6503 Probably a lot of the f2ps have just never really joined the community and lost interest in the game because of the lack of chat

[@absolutezerochill2700]

As someone who stopped being f2p like 6 days ago, it's definitely rough. And until last Smissmas my backpack was completely filled all the time and I didn't even have half the weapons Ironically, I finally got the Gibus yesterday.

[@pwning5651]

ok

[@absolutezerochill2700]

@@pwning5651ok?

[@okhello4504]

so annoying how i have to either kill myself, walk to the closest dispenser, or run to the resupply room to get my health up

[@finnodile360]

I remember being a F2P. The first time I played as an engineer I built a teleporter and suddenly someone said "don't use the f2p's tele, it sends you to the wrong place". Later I was playing a game while tired and someone said "wtf is wrong with this f2p". At least bring back text commands, valve.

[@meloncell]

Fun fact: The TF2 premium doesn't actually give you the ability to communicate. I learned this because I got gifted it from a friend and it still wouldn't let me chat. Though I guess you could sell it for keys and pay for it.

[@foodaah]

you have to actually put your money into the game,otherwise I don't think it works

[@abicto]

​@@foodaahits the 5 dollars steam thing

[@Lucaax4]

Its because of the steam 5 dollar thing

[@denisdubovik228]

You need to spend 5 dollars on steam

[@fallenghost1760]

With the premium you can at least get some extra stuff to sell and maaaaaaybe get the 5 dollars thingie

[@Mrs.THECOMMUNISTCHANNEL]

Screen tips: say "Ready to Charge" to fool the enemy into thinking you're about to use your Uber F2P's: .......

[@BeepBoopBee]

I started playing tf2 around mid/late 2022. And my very first game ever had 3 or 4 aimbotting snipers on the enemy team, camping our spawn. I was on call with my boyfriend, who convinced me to try the game, so I could communicate with him. But I was completely cut off from the rest of the lobby. It was a little bit before Halloween that I ended up buying a cosmetic set of about $15, making me no longer f2p. And as soon as I was able to actually communicate with my team, i got so much better at it so much faster. I can tell you from my own experience that communication not being available for f2p's definitely does make the game pay to win. I get voice chat and text chat being made unavailable, but at the very least everyone should be given access to the voice commands. That's the bare fucking minimum that valve should've fixed ages ago. But they just don't care. We were reminded of that already when they tried to gaslight us about the update this summer.

[@Copy-x2k]

Well for me I was playing TF2 Just Right at December of 2022 before new year of 2023 because of...it may wried bit i just open my first steam account that Time untill now i am 17 and i just have Stema accout that make really hype because all of my life i just stick with Roblox as i watch alot of TF2 through Meet team SFM and etc also i even watch Knowledge Video for play in game and untill today i still F2p because well my Country now Economy Problem that affect to my Family bussiness really hard also i don't wanna to get Mother Dad Money to buy anything like Generic Thai Kid [even i was pick Parent Money to buy snack (this bad behave don't follow this behave)]

[@BingusMan7483]

As a f2p, I am always frustrated when I can’t call for a damn medic when I’m at 2 hp because I’m broke

[@davidcaceres9184]

Quick tip: Buy the orange box when it goes on crazy sales, got it for $2 on Christmas Sale and it gives you a premium tf2 account AND HL2 and Portal

[@PiegusekVR]

5:17 feels real, when i played TF2 in 2022, i tried asking people in chat on how to play the game and such, and it just didnt let me for having a f2p account. (I never upgraded my acc and stopped playing around 2022 due to not understanding the game.. pretty weird that you need to pay for a games chat)

[@C.A._Old]

I don't know, but after the June 23, 2011 Uber update, everyone said it's like yesterday: they got it right from making the game free. the other side: they made a mistake making the game free. I want my $20 back. They said words like. At that time, the Summer Month of 2011 was the 23rd of June.

[@milliondollarmistake]

hell yeah dude whatever you say

[@WeebyKyoki]

yeah I definitely understand what you mean man I agree

[@iterativeimprovements1713]

Bro, you got a free hat, how is that not worth 20 bucks? (This is a joke) But seriously, do you think the game would still be as popular as is currently is if it wasn't f2p?

[@crangejo]

Is that all your selfish bum can come up with???? That it was a mistake because you paid 20 dollars for it?????

[@ratvibe]

what are you saying

[@TheMagnumDon]

Yeah to be fair I personally believe the F2P account restrictions were made to hit 2 birds with one stone The first bird being the Bots spamming the Text Chat and Voice Chat while the secondary bird being the players who haven't payed valve money to play their free to play videogame I feel like it's obvious Valve restricted genuine F2Ps because they want them to spend money

[@carlosbustos8096]

Welp, now there are bots with voice chats. Cuz there are people who seem to spend money to troll people

[@trickstabber8117]

It's pure incompetence on Valve's part. Instead of fixing the root of the problems, they fight the symptoms. I highly doubt that they kept these awful decisions for financial profits since the game itself is earning them mere pocket change. They can't be bothered to sink in any time or effort into a game that they themselves view as a burden by now.

[@thebushbros6626]

I mean how do you even fix the bot problem in the first place?

[@trickstabber8117]

@@thebushbros6626 By improving the anti-cheat. The issue is that Valve is no longer a gaming company, they can't be bothered with stuff like that.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

@@trickstabber8117 You didn't answer their question... it is like saying you'll cure world hunger by having people eat food. Okay but how do you produce the food and transport it? How do you improve anti-cheat? Bots/Cheats are on user end and if forced to will be made more human like, like the top 5% of players. Do you just start banning everyone that is skilled? Then the bots drop to the new roof. It all dies. You will always hit a point where there is simply nothing you can do without giving TF2 dangerous access to your device... access to the point where if someone hacked TF2's servers they could have access to millions of computers. User side problems are a nightmare to fix because you just can't.

[@trickstabber8117]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 All I can say is that other mulitplayer games manage just fine because having a ton of hackers running wild would be bad for reputation, hence the business. Valve has the ability to fix this within a month, the issue is that they don't care about the game. I can't blame them, however, this game came out in 2007 and is just a burden at this point. If the controversies around the hackers were bigger and Valve's reputation was at greater risk, they would most certainly respond more efficiently. Deep down, I believe they aren't too dissatisfied about their game being finally destroyed, it would save them time and money to completely shut it down at this point.

[@TeenWithACarrotIDK]

@@thebushbros6626 Not by restricting voice commands. Chat and voice chat is ok, but really? Commands?

[@IfeelNotSafe]

i started playing tf2 on my laptop during lockdown in 2020 and i remember fondly the day i said "man i cant talk in casual so imma go in one of these "community servers" lets see how it goes" after a while i realized that there are a lot of friendly people on there i said, i wonder if casual has gotten better. It didn't, but after considering for an hour or so i decided to spend 5 dollars on tf2. Since trading was like speaking an ancient tongue i spent it on weapon i didnt have. i remember booting up casual after a long time i got destroyed but i could talk and joke around, at the time i had 500 hours. the pure joy of being able to talk with my team was unforgettable. as sad as it is now i cant really see valve reverting that update, hopes are up but chances are fading if any f2ps are reading this: stay strong.

[@StennetS09]

Thank you

[@alejoaofonseca6208]

6:32 as f2p player, it is a pain in the ass to not call a medic

[@PoobiePants]

The tragic spy death at 8:38 -ish is SENDING me Fantastic video by the way. I admit, I don't feel I've put enough thought into the f2p chat restrictions as of late simply because i often switch voice chat off or spend most of my time in community servers or on MvM with mostly premium players. I'd forgotten the severity of it all. It seriously sucks that f2p's both long term and new to the game had to be punished because of bot hosts. I think a proper chat filter like you suggested would have been perfect. No clue what it would take to implement one though.

[@Aibadenshi]

I remember getting my Upgrade to Premium thank to a friend I meet in a TF2 match, so I can do a few thing in the crafting system. Even getting the damm thing is also pretty hard back then because my account back then was restricted of even adding friend so wasn't able to trade but I able to bypass it by click and install dota 2 then I was able to add friend for some unknown reason that work and I traded for the item.

[@polluxon]

W h a t .

[@abicto]

Does that exploit still work?

[@Aibadenshi]

@@abicto don't know, since I don't use that account anymore and i did it on an older version of steam like the 2012 version.

[@BoxOfZoodles]

I started playing in 2015 I think. After years of being away from the game, and wanting to play after seeing a resurgence of KZbin content for it, I booted it up again. Could you believe my surprise when I would die multiple times after not being able to call for medic? All I wanted was to use voice commands but I couldn't even do that. Killed the mood so badly with the addition of the bots that I just stopped playing entirely. I don't care if they add more updates or more hats or more things to pay for. Those things were never the reason I played anyway. Thank you for making this video @UnusualSandwich. I knew instantly what this video was about before clicking it and I am glad someone is actually talking about how big of a change this was for little to no benefit for the initial problem.

[@Someone-ho1ls]

Also, being prevented from using the chat makes it impossible to prove you're not a bot in casual. Just got kicked by a cheater after I kicked what I presume being one of their bots.

[@some_body_else3636]

you know what would fix this? a basic form of authentication! something similar to captcha or whatever

[@N3wbiy]

As a F2P I can't call medic. Just because of that reason, I became a medic main (but still plays the other classes for fun).

[@dumbvillage9253]

Is it because of the passive healing?

[@N3wbiy]

@@dumbvillage9253 1: Yes 2: Because I dont have to call medic anymore

[@-ZM_Gaming-]

I mean, it feels good to activate medic god mode for a few minutes

[@EpicSword28]

As a f2p, the fact I can't even call for medic just makes me annoyed. It's nice when I can somehow communicate with people sometimes without actually chatting. I remember this guy who was using voice chat communicating with me (i was a medic) and I remember him being so happy with me when me and him carried each other to victory. Please Valve just give us voice chat :(

[@FungIsSquish]

7:20 This idea is worse than the alternative of removing f2p chat, Jesus... this is Valve not blizzard lol

[@speemus6223]

breh this is stupid...

[@void6482]

Bro r u just salty that u wouldn't be able to spam lewd or just annoying statements in the chat?

[@FungIsSquish]

@@void6482 what? Total NSFW Death. I’m not a fan of the idea of turning tf2 into overwatch. Keep chat unmoderated.

[@void6482]

Unpopular opinion but sure u do u I guess 👍

[@FungIsSquish]

@@void6482 If you think this is an unpopular opinion you’ve never played tf2

[@rogeliosalita4169]

I'm a f2p and i hate the fact that i cant speak to people like i cant even socialize.

[@somethingtheoneandonly]

the one thing that infuriates me the most about f2p accounts is the 50 item limit, forcing you to literally delete your items and cosmetics to play

[@Rejani33]

Who said? Every Christmas you get a backpack extender Extends your backspace by a lot

[@A.Singularity]

​@@Rejani33most of us would rather spend time with family and/or people we have some kind of relationship with, not play tf2 just to get a backpack extender

[@Rejani33]

@@A.Singularity Pal just play only during christmas then, thats it

[@A.Singularity]

@@Rejani33 i have realized i may have horribly worded my comment

[@Rejani33]

@@A.Singularity Hmmm

[@TimesChu]

A further tinfoil hat point is that, because botters are spending money to make their bot accounts premium (probably from stolen credit cards), Valve now has a monetary incentive to NEVER fix the bot problem. I'd be willing to wager botting makes Valve more money than regular players ever could.

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

That... Actually makes sense.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

It would depend how much they're spending. If they're buying 3 cent cases then that doesn't make sense but if they bought keys I could very much see how this goes. No clue how DOTA works but if it has an in game market then this might be wrong because they just banned a bunch of cheaters.

[@Jessie_Helms]

Wanna feel PTSD from TF 2020? _”CAN YA QUACK?”_

[@ckinggaming5bucketmadness766]

Voice cmds being restricted is the dumbest decision ever

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

and bots still spam lmao I saw a cheater with an unusual, new update unusual s users can’t talk

[@TeenWithACarrotIDK]

The problem is that the voice chat and text chat spam isn’t a true problem. You can just put in an anti spam system. Both were just things they had access to without restriction. Now they have a choice. They don’t need to have the voice chat to ruin a server. They also don’t need to make every bot speak. Just one can be enough to F a server. Now Bot hosters just have to use their brains a little more.

[@Mircowavemuncher]

F2P here, I’m mainly here just to drop a few stories about what I’ve seen during the few days I’ve played this game. -On sawmill, there was an engie wearing a gnome hat and the other team kept running up to them and killbinding -On 2fort, I was playing spy and tried to backstab an opposing sniper, who after I missed, laughed then killbinded(funniest shit i’ve seen) I hope I’ll see some of you out there

[@Albanility]

F2P here, I really just enjoy the game, would love to have voice/chat communication but as long as I can shoot people and click on heads as sniper, I’m happy

[@random6033]

so you're the 2fort sniper that leads to me getting annoyed enough to switch to sniper and kill all the other snipers

[@sirspeedy9006]

I always make sure to thank all the f2ps on my team through the voice chat for playing in these tough times

[@iluvpandas2755]

lol

[@jetlagspikes]

Voice communication is not available for this account.

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

Text communication is not available for this account.

[@emmeroni-the-bean]

Your gameplay edits during this video are phenomenal and I feel like not enough people have mentioned it

[@awesomepigthecapedcrusader663]

I got kicked from Man vs Machine cause a soldier got salty that a Medic (me) couldn’t do that much damage in comparison and voted to kick me with me Unable to communicate because I had a free account… later that night (tonight) I finally payed for a starter pack. I wish Valve never changed it.

[@EngineerIsEngyHere]

3:10 once again the legendary crossover of Touhou and TF2 resurfaces

[@crashthegoat2678]

I don't think the free to plays will talk again but when I need a medic I call my friend on discord and he mostly doesn't play as medic 😂

[@IzLidk]

0:41 dont you mean an ambassador? oh wait, the eviction notice was a pun lmao

[@TeamSkillGGG]

As I Free to player I can confirm this guy is a hero for Us Free to play players and its really hard to play as we cant chat or voice chat or even voice command but this is video is really good for you guys to tell valve to give free to play players voice chat or Text chat #SaveTF2F2P Players

[@German-pickle]

Its been 1 year since that video came out and Free to plays still cant talk

[@alexdal1275]

Cant even call for a medic thats really anoying

[@caparezzafan675]

just play on community servers

[@alexdal1275]

@@caparezzafan675 do I get xp?

[@caparezzafan675]

@@alexdal1275 no, but xp doesn't really matter at all

[@yurm5767]

We gotta get this into recommendations

[@murillosilva3283]

i'm forever f2p, i have 1,000 hours on tf2 and i just unlocked chat like last month, i had tf2 for a long time but i didn't play alot before bc i had bad pc

[@adimemo2134]

When i was an f2p (after the update) lossing ability to talk in chat wasn't that bad, the worst thing was that you can't use voice lines and even scream "MEDICCC!!!" which was really bad and forced me to buy the cheapest Item in the store to get the premium.

[@jakeferrison2487]

Indeed, F2Player lives matter. They should retains only Voice Command in Casual Mode not entirely. But no Valve muted F2Players' whole communication in Casual Mode.

[@ianfinrir8724]

You can't even call for a Medic as a F2P!

[@mrforkyy]

I am a free to play and the amount of suffering i had while playing tf2 is indescribable

[@SomeoneYouDontKnowOfficial]

I remember back when I was F2P I was playing sniper and someone accused me of cheating. I ended up getting kicked because I couldn't tell them something that very obviously proved this wasn't true. I had 0 kills.

[@ofmontrealfan3]

5:01 i think you messed up the editing

[@C.A._Old]

Just update that damn VACNET. Today's Valve employees are all lazy. and the ignorant. The developers of the 2000s and the developers of the 2010s were all legendary. mostly Mr. Raitt. TF2 comics creator

[@adanVRgames]

thats why I HAVE TF2 but IM F2P and i do not enjoy the game cuz of that i cant talk to a medic and i just in-game shiver violently and nod violently and cry internally trying to scream for help but i cant simply cant cuz valvE ripped my tf2 character's mouth

[@thebeamking]

Hundred’s of comments telling me that they can talk again

[@HandsomeYoungSir]

As a f2p, I just realized that you can act get anything from the item drop, and I mean ANYTHING! Yesterday I got the pholg just from an item drop. Been a f2p for like a year.

[@systemika]

you can also get hat drops! those are really rare but do happen

[@HandsomeYoungSir]

@@systemika crazy

[@Blackberry_Kenway]

​@@systemikaPretty sure cosmetic drops only apply for premium accounts

[@systemika]

@@Blackberry_Kenway aw dangit, i thought they also drop for all players

[@defaultface7273]

IMO TF2 is slightly pay to win, having more weapons to deal with situations makes it that. I don't like the default weapons are usually better argument, because that doesn't matter. Simply being given more options is enough to make it slightly pay to win. There's also extremely good items like the wrangler, jarate, mad milk. And the fact most stock melee weapons are useless.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

Yeah, I wish I could get them faster. It took me a couple months as an f2p to get what I needed.

[@AliceLoverdrive]

Unlockables randomly drop approximately every fifteen minutes, many of them are obtainable through achievements and they cost peanuts anyway, so... Eh?

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

@@AliceLoverdrive Not quite "every fifteen minutes" - about an hour on average iirc. And also weekly cap.

[@defaultface7273]

@@AliceLoverdrive I feel like every 15 minutes is a exaggeration but yeah that's true. Playing a decent amount will get you items fairly fast. It's more about the players who don't have these. luckily a lot of the best items like the Wrangler and Jarate are achievement drops. Also I remember needing to buy a backback as a f2p because I couldn't hold any more weapons lol.

[@AliceLoverdrive]

@@defaultface7273 I think it's beneficial for new players to only have access to stock, tbh, for several reasons: 1) So they aren't overwhelmed by the number of options (a decent amount of which are either just plain bad or demand more skill) 2) So the new weapons are exciting and fresh. If everything is unlocked from the start, there's way less incentive to experiment.

[@carlosfreitas6434]

im a F2P for 12 years end i must say its the best thing ever.

[@jalapenoandbanana]

I am an f2p and someone gifted me an item I already unlocked. Now I have two of the same item and I think that is amazing.

[@Dahoovy]

They should give us f2ps communication again

[@darealgamesloud]

I gotta stop watching to question the dudes username at 3:13

[@dastrongestherrscher]

TouHou is lesbian. I agree.

[@GAT-X105B]

As a f2p, thank you for making us known.

[@soundrogue4472]

8:06 no it's not going towards p2w; it's the fact bots are insanely difficult to deal with.

[@comrade7324]

I was able to immedietely use text chat right out of the gate since the whole reason I got tf2 was uncle Danes ninjaneering video. so we bought the eureka effect from the store.

[@rynebailiff8398]

Not me being a fan of tf2 for 3+ years and not being able to play it

[@Duck0.1]

0:40 even worse a hat crate

[@waterman7082]

0:14 funny how that scout is NOT a f2p unless hes on a community server (he uses voicelines)

[@C.A._Old]

2:23 Funny info and Real fact: o 520 and 518 Success is exactly the same for 6-8 Years. Valve never added new achievements again.

[@FatheredPuma81]

Still remember seeing TF2 in the at the time barren F2P section shortly after getting internet and downloading it because my favorite KZbinr streamed it on Twitch once. Tbh though my options were MW2, TF2, or Combat Arms so I'm pretty sure I would have played it anyways... I was F2P for around 10 months. Community servers were a thing though back then so...

[@WinterGamesYT]

literally the only reason i spent money on tf2 was so i could use the chat