TF2: Death of Degreaser

[@UnusualSandwich]

ERRORS / VISUAL MISTAKES - 1:44 - Wanted to do a funny joke w/ fallout new vegas but the boxart disappeared at some point I guess - 4:38 - Switch speed thoughts paragraph just disappeared until the transition, idk why but it happened

[@Kacper42PL]

1:44 is an error? I thought this was meant to be a joke about Fempyro mod releasing. How does Fempyro have anything with New Vegas boxart

[@UnusualSandwich]

Wouldn't be funny explaining it

[@bonniemozzie387]

@@Kacper42PL trans people play Fallout New Vegas

[@skarloeythomas5172]

7:05 reducing speed increases duration, which is what the 2/3 of a second datum was. Increasing speed reduces duration.

[@saxshton]

@@Kacper42PL a lot of trans people play fallout new Vegas, it’s kind of like an inside joke with the trans community

[@kurvakus7256]

Im still baffled how Valve was heelbent on nerfing any Pyro's gameplay option other than w+m1, and how community was always positive about this and then complained about w+m1.

[@TopSecretName]

Pyro should just be removed tbh The class has always been broken and remains broken after an entire update devoted to fixing him. Getting rid of the awful degreaser, reserve shooter, and axtinguisher combo was certainly a step in the right direction but unfortunately Pyro’s still in the game so they just didn’t go far enough.

[@pyros854]

@@TopSecretName When your braincells are negatives:

[@arbitratorkit3626]

@@TopSecretName found the guy who was positive about nerfing anything but w+m1, then complained about w+m1

[@thunderspark1536]

@@TopSecretName I dunno man, have you tried the dragon's fury?

[@Game-ne5nb]

@@TopSecretName When you can't press S and click at the same time:

[@lb7643]

As a pyro main I can confirm higher airblast cost does come into play rather often. Plus australium stock looks pwetty

[@ReiCaixa]

I often run out of ammo with stock. Too used to TFDB

[@dr_birb]

Plus I got strange kill streak flamethrower, added airblasted projectiles counter, and renamed it to Holocaust Mk. II

[@szelski.]

yeah this video is kinda trash lmao airblast cost comes into play a lot

[@Spanishdog17]

I don’t really think it’s that big of a downside. If you’re a Pybro, you’ll have access to a dispenser most of the time. If you’re an offensive pyro, all you have to do is get 1 kill to get your ammo back to normal. I’m a Pyro main btw. I don’t usually run out of ammo as pyro, and if I do, I usually have the detonator, so it’s not a huge problem.

[@isabellegrimes9366]

@@szelski. it really only comes up when your kills are getting stolen and you’re far away from resupply. you don’t need much ammo to deal with the projectile class by killing or forcing them to retreat unless you miss a ton.

[@DrewPDrawerz]

Fun fact: the secondary "switch to" holster speed is bugged. If you use the flames or airblast, you're going to go through the full duration of the equip speed and not the reduced speed. You can still quickly switch from your other weapons into degreaser but not vice versa.

[@foon-gee-us1884]

Isn't it obvious if you use the flamethrower you are gonna have no speed buff

[@DrewPDrawerz]

@@foon-gee-us1884 Ah sorry, I could have worded it better. I meant "pressing m1 or m2".

[@medicgaming101]

@@DrewPDrawerz lol

[@kerbonaut2059]

You need to equip the Degreaser for 1 second before the switch away buff applies. This is an old balance thing that never got updated over the years.

[@FakeCoconut-v7o]

It's not bugged. If you use the Degreaser with the Flaregun, and after shooting your Flaregun and changing into your Degreaser and after that back to the Flaregun, you'll see that it won't shoot right away. That is because the Flaregun needs to go through the entire reload time, and not animation for some reason.

[@KoobyKarasu]

I personally think the extra airblast cost is actually a huge deal. Airblast is one of Pyro's strongest tools, and those 2 extra airblasts that stock provides can really make the difference in an enemy Uber push. Of course, this matters little in casual, but personally when I used to play Highlander, I saw the benefits it gave to be meaningless because you don't really get to combo often, but you do need to deny Ubers often.

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

I'm a Pyro main and I agree. Sure, the downsides of the Degreaser are relatively minor... but so are the upsides. I honestly wish the Degreaser had more severe downsides in exchange for more severe upsides just so it would feel unique again. As it is now, it feels the same as stock except you're a little better at combos and a little worse at support.

[@mauroghen]

Hell its not even “2 less airblasts” because you’ll always shoot flames sometimes, so its more realistic to say that stock usually airblasts up to 9 times and degreaser only 7 times. Which is even worse in practice

[@mapu1]

The air blast penalty is actually quite significant in cases where you face more than one solder/demo shooting projectiles at you, and it does increase the time you spend sitting there waiting for ammo pack to spawn. Like if you are using pyro to counter someone spamming rockets at choke point, its seriously noticeable.

[@TunbosunOyenuga]

If I remember right, afterburn from flare guns are offset and vice-verse by the Degreaser’s afterburn. So if you manage to combo someone and try to flame them down the rest of the way. If they escape… we’ll degreaser afterburn ain’t going to cut it.

[@UnusualSandwich]

If you're planning on flaring someone, odds are you're not gonna be in range to use your flamethrower, unless they are that unaware

[@TunbosunOyenuga]

Yea if your are solely using flares from afar. But I’m alluding to close up scenarios like cornering the enemy. (There teammate might stop you/save them or they could have kill you before you finish them off) With the Flare Gun is shouldn’t be much a problem since due to the crit but with the lower damage of the other flare guns this can something that occurs. Again it depends on what you are doing… flaring from afar then a flamethrower doesn’t matter … upclose well better guarantee that kill by other means

[@Game-ne5nb]

@@UnusualSandwich flare punch

[@evdestroy5304]

@@UnusualSandwich that's not true at all

[@OGXenos]

@@Game-ne5nb Ah, you mean the thing that's just worse than holding M1 on somebody?

[@zenithzv]

I appreciate the cameo at 8:30

[@UnusualSandwich]

had to do it

[@Bomber2999]

I see you everywhere now lmao

[@Ban-zx9se]

THAT END STINGER GOES SO HARD LMAO

[@Not_Rui_]

fr fr. Though Sketchek seems to have a not very fun past. Still doesn't excuse what he did

[@Guaporacer]

@@Not_Rui_ Bro, man literally apologized properly years ago, move on.

[@Not_Rui_]

@@Guaporacer I know he did and I do forgive him for it. It doesn't change how scummy faking your own death and downplaying it with an ARG is.

[@citrusfruit4332]

When I found out sketchek was a vtuber in nijisanji shit blew my mind. Felt like the fabric of reality was crumbling.

[@lullypawp3479]

@@citrusfruit4332 i found out through this video. all i knew was that sonny brisko was every femboys crush, not fucking sketchek himself WHAT

[@MrSleepyhead32]

A good thing to point out is how airblast was changed. Airblast used to stun without the receiver being able to air strafe and control themselves somewhat. There was also momentum changes with the airblast. With those changes, it made comboing feel different which is probably another reason why people aren't using Degreaser as much.

[@tadkoz]

Fully agree with this. I was a pyro main for years, took a break during which the airblast rework occurred, and came back to find I had lost all muscle memory for degreaser combos. The airblast was a key component that made combos frankly much easier. Airblast as it is now can still be manipulated for highly useful tech, but that can be accomplished nicely by the stock flamethrower for a higher damage output. I now equip the degreaser only in very fast-paced, high intensity games and compensate for the lower damage output with the scorch shot.

[@plasty8665]

I find it a bit bizzare you didn’t mention the reserve shooter at all. I saw so many degreasers pre jungle inferno, but they all ran reserve shooters. Genuinely, even though it has higher airblast cost, I remember it being the most common for the reserve shooter kit.

[@SirBalageG]

My first weapon combo I had mastered, whole point of it (for me at least lol) was to sneak up to people, ignite them and use the crit axe, other version was to use the airblast on low hp players, blow them up in the air and use the reserve shooter I might have lost all my mood to play after they nerfed the degreaser to the ground as you needed skill to use it but after it, there was no reason to use skill. Here I Am with secondary spam on the phlog and collecting uber with my pocket, game got more balanced yay Sorry for the textwall

[@dbelow_1556]

Prob because reserve shooter was absolutely broken on pyro

[@ryanphillips4123]

And why wasn't the panic attack mentioned? It's current stats make it a combo pyros highest DPS option

[@sumretard]

@@ryanphillips4123 old panic attack used to be like beggars, and the spread was less desirable considering that old reserve shooter pyro mini crits any type of airborne enemies (yes even jumping minicrits)

[@EpsilonKnight2]

I'm really sad they nerfed the reserve shooter making it effectively pointless for pyro to equip now. Especially with the airblast rework making it somewhat harder to land consistent pop ups.

[@godslayer9000]

The sole reason I still use stock over degreaser is due to that one time I was dueling 2 enemy soldiers with only airblasts, and it felt like a full on showdown between the sith and the jedi, I even had the music playing in my head, but the jedis lost because they ran out of airblasts when there was only 1 sith lord remaining who was also one reflected rocket away from death. Every time I look at my degreaser in the selection screen I am reminded of that time I lost to 2 soldiers as a pyro and snort in disgust as I equip the stock, as those 2 extra airblasts will surely save me whenever that exact one in a million scenario happens again

[@Person897]

Carry on with the amazing content. But I think the issue with the degreaser is the lack of differences with stock. Really, we just need the stats to be more drastic and exaggerated and then we'll have a balanced but enticing combo weapon.

[@muddashucka9743]

I've had an idea for a hit and run flamethrower that would be great for flanking.

[@Person897]

@@muddashucka9743 What is it? I'm interested

[@muddashucka9743]

@@Person897 Hit and run flamethrower stats: Pros: +On hit: gain a speed boost. +200% longer afterburn duration. +200% more afterburn damage dealt. Cons: -75% damage dealt. -25 max health on wear. Idea behind weapon/reasons for its stats: Short version: +Speed boost helps Pyro run from one foe to the next. +Longer afterburn increases length of speed boost and helps Pyro kill foes with afterburn. +Increased afterburn damage greatly helps Pyro kill foes with afterburn. -Damage penalty means Pyro must rely on afterburn to kill foes. -Health reduction means that while Pyro can run faster, he dies faster. Also means Pyro must rely on hit and run tactics to kill foes. This weapon probably needs a lot of tweaking, so I'd love to get your feedback on it.

[@Person897]

@@muddashucka9743 I make weapon concepts myself and I can see what you are going for. The speed boost would have to be 1 second, although im sure you understand. I am afraid some might call this a crutch with afterburn, but it would still need these to be effective and noticeable. The increased afterburn damage and duration may sound a little much of a disturbance, but it is clear in what it's meant to do. I might deacrease the damage penalty a little because pyro kinda still has unreliable damage output and would rely WAY too much on afterburn , but honestly, what can ya do? In total, I think your idea might need a few tweaks as you've said but I like it more than the Phlog so that's enough for me :)

[@muddashucka9743]

@@Person897 thanks :)

[@XC11301991]

It's so weird, because I remember my suggestion that Pyro needed a fast weapon switch weapon on SPUF since back then the argument was that Pyro had to play by Soldier main's pace of a battle, and could never really dictate the fight themselves or react accordingly in a fair manner. Pyro's were also speaking how we had to rely on our other weapon options over our FT most of the time, and had to use FT on certain occasions to reflect but again could never keep up in 1v1's to shoot and reflect. When the degreaser came out with its stats it was a godsend to every competent pyro. The axetinguisher nerf was a bit warranted and not necessary for Pyro to do well, though they did overdo it with the nerf. It does start getting disappointing players of other classes would cry about Degreaser weapon switching as a crutch playstyle, but it technically was for a flawed class with inconsistent particles that did quite pathetic DPS. Pyro's were criticized for fast weapon switching utilizing full toolkits to get fast kills, when other classes could just use their singular weapon to murder fast or more effectively. Their whining worked and Valve catered to nerf the weapon which really sucks.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Pyro could just use their flamethrower to get kills fast and effectively. You forget that while the Pyro "plays by the soldier's pace of battle" Pyro also shuts down Soldier almost completely. If a soldier runs a back it completely shuts them down and makes them helpless. There are issues with Pyro being weak though, but their damage isn't something to laugh at. People wouldn't be mad at "W1+M1" unless there was some power behind it. The afterburn itself can even ensure death if a person won that fight. The Pyro is ultimately like Sniper, they will be either weak or incredibly strong.

[@dr_birb]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 there's no power to pyro w+m1, it's literally worse in p much every way to soldier demo and scout w+m1. Except these classes can jump kilometers in seconds, and that requires the same skill as opening control manager, ie clicking buttons at the same time

[@crack4184]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 Soldier is not shut down by Pyro. He does lose the matchup against airblast but he still has counterplay against Pyro's counterplay

[@pierofasulli1076]

​@@crack4184Yes. the soldier literally just needs to pull out his shotgun

[@ТимофейИванов-р1п]

Thats actually so well made. This needs MUCH more views!

[@doneturret6396]

my brother in christ this video was made 2~ hours ago

[@de_gree]

u have to be on adderall to watch the fucking video no thanks

[@hazeltree7738]

@@doneturret6396 Actually it was made 10 months ago

[@solidmetagross]

Less than a minute into the video and i’m already completely fine with the wait between videos. Amazing edits, mate.

[@TheBradBerry549]

The degreaser mixed with panick attack is just insane, if you wanna fight another pyro or make as much damage as you can in little time or finish your enemy off in case the afterburn won't cut it, the panich attack with degreaser is the best combo i know from the pyro's arsenal

[@ethandavis7310]

I'm good at tracking with flames and tend to run stock with regular flare gun. I rarely lose a pyro duel to the shotgun vs my w+m1

[@NarrowCrow]

I’m more surprised you didn’t talk about the infamous Reserve Shooter + Degreaser combo.

[@UnusualSandwich]

That was broken beyond belief, no point in talking about it

[@darkcat6530]

tbh one could argue it was more the reserve shooters fault

[@loutenant9480]

Degreaser +reserve shooter + axtinguisher was a sick combo back in 2014. Still miss it.

[@thegreatdraco3923]

Another reason that the degreaser could be feeling a bit meh is that its gimmick isn't as effective against the other classes anymore. The degreaser was a threat because no other classes was as fast as switching their weapon as pyro was, enabling a playstyle for the pyro that was unique and powerful in the right hands (Not including with the old airblast that made combos kind of easy to do). But when they decreased the universal weapon swap speed, the degreaser lost its edge as it wasn't really that unique anymore and other classes are able to respond much quicker to the ambushing pyro. Its still a good comboing tool, but its unique advantage has been significantly diminished. I don't understand why they couldn't have kept the 65% universal or even lowered the effect to 55% and just gave the degreaser worse afterburn and primary damage.

[@Kacpa2]

Yeah it should be reverted to that with axwtinguiaher beibg buffed a bit too. They just nerfed it into the ground for no good reason.

[@Uncommom]

God this is such an amazingly made video

[@buphoon1452]

I love how the degreaser looks and hate how stock looks, but love how stock performs and hate how the degreaser performs it's a constant battle of what flamethrower i wanna use

[@robuxyyyyyyyyyy4708]

0:45 - Equipping with the scorch shot sends you immediately to hell

[@mc.goober1014]

8:29 it's funny coming back to this vid seeing zeniths perspective on this clip

[@dante_02]

My main issue with current degreaser is that its downside just doesn't feel that useful It's not bad, but it's not really a "must" either It's just there, it doesn't switch up things anymore, and at that point, I just prefer stock or the df

[@HexiiSky]

this. even with stock u can get axe combos on another pyro if your fast enough

[@Weedsm0kr79]

8:28 fun fact, that’s zenith on his playing soldier for a month video

[@ChimparoncitoTF]

besides pyros what I hate the most is seeing an underrated channel. I hope your channel grows up more and more!

[@RadioactiveRadio]

Donkey kong

[@crispnuggets640]

monke

[@justinchoy476]

Combo pyro was so much fun I remember panning out degreaser confirms back when I was in highschool

[@PartyMain]

I remember very vividly, when I was playing TF2 back in 2012-2015, people thought the degreaser was OP and some even said the airblast is stronger than stock. I played a lot of Saxton Hale though but it's very interesting that they came up with something like that but never was documented (or was made up) it seems...

[@LokiThePug]

Now I have the legal obligation of naming this weapon “The deceased”

[@philipplyanguzov9090]

The degreaser pairs pretty well with the panic attack, due to the stacking switch speeds allowing you to get a shotgun shot out while the flame particles are still in contact with the enemy.

[@Gotmilk0112]

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that "weapon is so good that it's the best choice" = "dead".

[@duhopie838]

2:56 "If random bullet spread doesn't eat half of them" That's a miss you're showing my friend.

[@NotWendy3]

Not the best clip to illustrate that idea, yeah. But the point itself is true, random spread does tend to have a considerable impact at that range.

[@duhopie838]

@@NotWendy3 It REALLY doesn't.

[@MrEvilGrin]

Degreaser went from my most used flamethrower to the one I never use.

[@Kirbo4004]

Fantastic video and editing! But you did miss one thing about the old school degreaser: the reserve shooter combo. Pre jungle inferno this was a nightmare (at least how I remember it). The reserve shooter used to deal minicrits to anyone in the air (period), and old airblast used to push people more upward rather than away. So you could stop someone in their place and then blast them with a minicrit'd shotgun. Not nearly as deadly as the flare gun combo, but still a threat.

[@pxbibrxt]

Your editing quality is awesome!

[@bounter_]

Degreaser was nerfed because like you said, it made some combos braindead easy (axtinquisher). It's still the best of Pyro's flame if you combo.

[@Game-ne5nb]

a few decimal numbers of faster switch speed isn't worth removing 75% of your afterburn damage lmao. If you can't combo with stock you just have skill issue

[@ramiel-best-girl]

@@Game-ne5nb haha degreaser go speed

[@brokolireis1628]

Ohhhh boy I can not wait to kill someone thanks to 2103158932058130 nanosecond switch speed I got from this straight up downgrade weapon community hypes about

[@thecookiemeister5374]

I used to absolutely love puff&sting, that combo was fucking awesome and felt incredible to pull off. Now it’s just not really usable, in the time it takes you to puff and sting just like… torch then to death with stock lol

[@fakacoon8864]

I miss puff & sting so much. I was never amy good at it but I want it back

[@Margen67]

Raccoons need HUGS

[@LunaticTrumpet]

Seeing TF2 content in my recommended videos really feels like I’ve been taken back to my childhood. I’ve never played tf2 but I’ve always enjoyed the content surrounding the game.

[@urbanguerilla6079]

Aw man, no mention of the simply ungodly combo with the reserve shooter back in the day :(

[@ribbel8210]

Yeah that's what In was thinking

[@olexoz1505]

I think if the Degreaser had the following stats, it would be more clear that it is a combo weapon: - Airblast cost increased to 30 ammo - Projectile speed increased by 25%, effectively increasing the range and speed at which you can ignite targets - 30% damage penalty, to make up for the longer range and combo potential - 50% increased holster and deploy speed -75% afterburn damage penalty Also give the Backburner slightly stronger airblast for no reason other than funny :)

[@OGXenos]

You do have to take into consideration that afterburn starts upon first fire damage, NOT when it stops. So the instant you start burning an enemy, even if you keep burning them, they're STILL taking afterburn damage at the same time. So, technically, the Degreaser always does 6 DPS less than Stock across the board. Which might be all the time it takes for that Scout to line up his final meatshot on you or not. And even if afterburn from a flamethrower isn't all that large, a lot of times people do only escape with 40 HP, and whether or not they die is solely decided by whether it was stock or degreaser afterburn.

[@FakeCoconut-v7o]

Is there any confirmation of that?

[@zackaria98]

I know its about the degreaser, but one of the amazing things you could do with it was use the reserve shooter back in the day. Not possible anymore from airblasts, but that was a magical time

[@Agent9911]

The panic attack pairs pretty well with the degreaser, since it also has a reduced switch time. Combined you can constantly switch between degreaser and panic attack to deal high DPS

[@davidhong1934]

Also known as "Scout after a bad night at Taco Bell"

[@mugiwaradarwin4504]

As LazyPurple said, you practically get to dual-wield the Degreaser and Panic Attack, allowing you to 1v1 Heavies.

[@tjrex9458]

As soon as i saw "degreaser" on the title, i knew there was gonna be some sketchek clips lmao brilliant video

[@FamiliarReece]

its weird how what might seem like a miniscule tweak in stats affected a whole classes perspective on meta

[@ReshyShira]

Really hate how they nerfed all of the pyro's combo potentional and forced a much more w+M1 mindset to things greatly reducing the skill ceiling for the class. I know people whined about getting combo'd but honestly it was at least more interesting than w+M1 and made the class have a good burst damage niche that not a lot of other classes could pull off in the middle of a fight.

[@ChronicallyOn]

I love how serious and awesome the videos are, as it feelsl like you are watching a genuinely beautiful rant from a true TF2 Veteran who has amassed a true following on all platforms. And then the streams themself are utterly chaotic, loud, obnoxious and a bit questionable at times that always keep me coming back for more. I am proud to be one of the lucky people here before that first triple digit milestone arrives, the one you most definitely deserve.

[@bitcidic]

I’m a very recent player, only started seriously playing in late 2022 and I’ve already logged 1000+ hours in tf2. I main combo pyro. This has been fascinating to watch because I never got to experience what combo pyro was like all those years ago.

[@ReiCaixa]

Degreaser with Reserve Shooter and Axtinguisher/Postal was so OP. Airblast enemy up a wall or corner, shoot him, hit him if he's not already dead.

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

Yeah, I'm surprised people say they miss when combo Pyro was at its peak. Giving Pyro a near-instant kill on 8/9 classes at close range was absurdly overpowered. No fun to fight against, no counterplay most of the time. IMO it wasn't even that fun to be the combo Pyro because you killed every enemy the exact same way. I have way more fun as a combo Pyro nowadays because it takes a lot more skill and awareness to get good at it.

[@ReiCaixa]

@@QuintessentialWalrus I used both combos (Reserve Shooter and Flare) a lot in Turbine 24h servers way back then. It was certainly the most OP set I've ever played as Pyro. Problem is on their own they weren't too out of line, but all 3 weapons were too OP together. Degreaser with fast weapon changing speed, Reserve Shooter doing mini-crits on airblasted targets, and old Axtinguisher.

[@cosmo-dragon3973]

Valve seeing community hates W+M1 playstyle on Pyro. "Why don't we nerf every other Pyro playstyle into obsoleteness?"

[@Captain_Matias_Torres]

I'd like to thank each and every pyro that still uses the degreaser Not dying to afterburn is very nice.

[@c_sea1n]

i named my degreaser "the depisser" because people get less pissed off from the afterburn (even though it hurts my gameplay)

[@mangckyatmamon]

having 10 airblasts vs 8 does get into play especially when stuffing an uber or protecting an engi nest against a dedicated spam. also afterburn can easily win you the flank or at least a good chance to trade with a scout in an enclosed space.

[@tornadodex1366]

The editing in this video is phenomenal. I don't know how you don't have more subs

[@caydenrowe9115]

This vid: talks about problems and some combos with the degreaser and flare guns Me: uses degreaser and panic attack together

[@res2geeked524]

Combo pyro was the most fun man. I miss it so much. Props to Sketchek

[@EnergyBurst2]

That reveal at the end, assuming its true, truly shocked me, I never would have guessed.

[@yolks5303]

Dude, Your edit skill is way too good for this small amount of subs You deserve more

[@tinajd187]

10:20 because witnessing those combos in action (in tandem with rapid successful reflects) is both satisfying and invigorating

[@ElwindMage]

Thank god for this weapon showing me how fun this game could be thanks to Sketchek. Without him, I never would've spent thousands of hours on this 15 year old game

[@Kacper42PL]

This editing is so high tier, holy god damn shit. I hope this video blows up in views because it deserves it

[@Confused_Savior]

In my opinion stock is still better with shotguns because the afterburn can come into effect while still being engaged in combat

[@thatguysteve]

I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve audibly said “oh thank god, they were using the Degreaser” after killing a pyro. Its pitiful afterburn always gives me enough time to find a health source, while normal afterburn is much less forgiving.

[@dave9309]

Unlocks really ought to change the way you play the class, and Combo Pyro is such an effective play style with a high skill ceiling that I really think this is where the Degreaser should fit, I would propose that both it's main and afterburn damage be reduced by 33%, do away with the switch speed increase, change it's airblast cost to a reduction rather than an increase to promote it's use, and lastly, give the Degreaser a longer static duration of afterburn, this would mean that W+M1 will be a net loss when using this weapon, but it grants a much larger window to take advantage of combo secondaries, the longer duration of afterburn should also affect enemy pyro's, not to the extent of non pyro players, but there again should be an increased window of opportunity to land that flair.

[@beansman9074]

lordy lord this is absurdly well made, respect to you my friend :)

[@UsingGorillaLogic]

At most, the nerfs over the years just made combos less enticing and more encouraged playing pyro with just his shotgun out and swap to the degreaser to airblast stuff. In an odd way, that DID give the weapon an identity because the switch TO speed makes it the only one that can reliably play with their shotgun 90% of the time rather than awkwardly swapping to it when you see a scout. I just find it unfortunate because that gameplay style is uhh... pretty boring you just feel like a slightly bulkier gunslinger engineer.

[@spacegirlvanish]

the degreaser's airblast penalty comes into play a lot in competitive highlander, i prefer to run stock and do do most pyros i know

[@funnigui3278]

unironically one of the best tf2 vids i've seen for a long time, very cool!

[@skuarez]

Amazing content, man! It's suprising how small your channel is. But never give up, you'll eventually make it up there with the others! 🔥🔥🔥

[@Beckwourth]

0:18 i miss this so freaking much as a scout main..

[@Veratig]

really well made vid, good editing and visuals, keep it up

[@speedody2171]

Stock might be very decent to use with the panic attack (not for switching back probs tho lol)

[@commscan314]

I recall LazyPurple primarily using the Degreaser with the Panic Attack for the switch speed, and it seems they have some synergy.

[@CoreyTF2]

It's ok, but not great

[@OGXenos]

@@commscan314 It increases your close range DPS at the HUGE cost of completely removing all your ranged options. Stuff like Scouts, Heavies and Snipers go from things you can probably harass into leaving with flares into outright hard-counters, since the Panic Attack's fixed spread ensures 100% that you can only hit about 6 bullets at medium range. You give Pyro a crippling handicap in exchange for more flamethrower-range DPS, which he didn't even need. The Flamethrower is already plenty good at killing people REALLY fast with just good tracking and the M1 button. You don't need to gimmick bullets into it to make it work at the cost of 4 classes hard-countering you instead of 1 hard counter (Engineer) and three soft counters.

[@speedody2171]

@@OGXenos Harass into leaving? Flare pyro is basically beta demo lol Also yeah degreaser is certainly better (since flamethrower dps is mediocre anyways) but 108 panic attack meatshots + stock afterburn can be rly good

[@OGXenos]

@@speedody2171 You need to have the gun shoved up somebody's rectum to hit 108. Its an argument in a vacuum. Panic attack past 10 meters, conveniently also max flamethrower effective range, is hard capped at 40 - 50 due to fixed spread being physically unable to land more bullets on a hitbox from that range. Scouts don't have to respect your range and can just stay away, and a Heavy that sees you coming can EASILY out-DPS you in seconds. Which is most heavies. Pyro has zero gap closing options to force a close range encounter universally, except for the thruster, which is a secondary, or the +15% powerjack speed, which makes you take MORE damage and is suicidal if you're already being shot at. Demoman can't afterburn people from across the map. If you actually know what you're doing flares are always better. You don't turn yourself into a worse Scout (Better mobility, longer range, and can double bleed even at range for pseudo afterburn) and can effectively two-shot light classes with 60 afterburn and either a 30 initial for 90 total or an outright 90 with 60 afterburn from any range.

[@holyblade12]

dude i only just came across this channel and those edits are more than worth stickin around fer more.

[@nich3897]

A Pyro weapon that's a direct upgrade to stock and yet there's little point to running it over other options available? Where have I heard this me before...

[@farkrits]

Not a direct upgrade at all.

[@darienb1127]

That Flamethrower named "Shark Fursona" just killed me dude

[@Pudding404]

Amazing how tf2 hasn't added new weapons since jungle inferno and people can still make videos comparing and analyzing weapons. This proves that tf2's gameplays is timeless.

[@gayman4547]

I would argue the afterburn penalty is really awful, at max flamethrower range, getting no dps from afterburn can actually be felt with how much longer it takes to kill. I tried to use the degreaser with the thruster for its switch to bonus, but honestly it was so much harder to secure kills with with stock for just having the afterburn penalty.

[@necroticsynthesis4958]

I run the old-school pybro loadout personally - Degreaser, Flare Gun, Homewrecker. The switch speed seems pretty negligible but I've definitely encountered times where it's helped me land a clutch flare or destroy a sapper regularly enough for me to keep using it. I liked the pre-Tough Break version better, but it is still my go-to flamethrower. In fact, other than when I feel particularly heinous and use the phlog, I don't think I use any others - I'm so used to the switch speed of the Degreaser that stock or Backburner throw me off (plus less airblasts on Backburner) and I simply never could get the hang of the dragons fury. Honestly 75% of the reason I even picked up the Flare Gun (formerly a Shotgun enthusiast) was because at close to mid range it travels at a similar speed and arc to the Crusaders Crossbow bolt. I just activate the same square inch of grey matter to hit crossbows when shooting flares. The other 25% was being done with Random Bullet Spread Sidenote: I feel like people sleep hard on the Homewrecker. I always carry it, unless I feel saucy with the Detonator and Back Scratcher. Not having the Powerjack out means I'm less tunnel vision moving forward (seriously, Powerjack pyros can't perceive what isn't in front of them when they have it out), ready and able to reflect projectiles or spycheck. It's also super useful for destroying rogue dispensers or teleporters quickly, since it destroys every building in 2 whacks. It's also useful for pushing into a sentry nest when a medic ubers you, flames/combo/reflect sentry rockets if you're good and spicy to quickly deal with the Engi and whack the sentry once or twice, depending on how much damage you've already done. Granted this only works if you can y'know, get to range of the sentry in time, but it's nice to know that you have a quick and oft unexpected elimination method.

[@ffwast]

I run the homewrecker because I just don't see anything else I could put in the melee slot being all that useful to me in normal gameplay if I can remove sappers with it. Synergy with the engineer is far more effective than some shitty nerfed mini crit that I wouldn't get anyways because I'm already burning them if I'm in melee range. Busting all that little snake's sappers at a critical moment can decide the whole match.

[@truth09]

I almost never play pyro but that video is so good and i want to rewatch it ∞.

[@jordanelbertnathanaelsibue7818]

8:30 that clip of zenith being mad while screaming "MR BEA-" 💀

[@octopusjacket3472]

First time I encounter this channel and I'm absolutely in love with the editing and the visual effects, keep up the good work, I've never been so interested in nerdy facts about a class I never play but the video quality and the narration made it awesome.

[@coprophagichobo2377]

This man was possessed by the ghost of elmaxo during the editing of this video. I love it.

[@Rammkommando]

I seem to recall the degreaser had a cheaper airblast cost at one point when I started playing back in 2011.

[@xdarin_]

I quit using degreaser a month ago. "Goodbye Degreaser, we've been together for rounds upon rounds, but I have Dragon's Furry now" - I said. W+M1 or airblast were no longer satisfying my dopamine needs.

[@MrChainsawAardvark]

Once upon a time, the pyro was a crowd control class. Just a quick pass among a group with hit and run would leave them injured, and possibly spiriting for the few ways to put out fire. W+M1 was stupid because the character could do damage without being present. As time went on, the ability to deal with hordes lessened, and we saw the rise of pyro as an assassin, need to use combos to take down a singular enemy, rather than a fly by support. Theoretically the different weapons are a trade off in singular vs multi-target utility. However, like so many other games - the only hit point that matters is the last, and running off after wounding targets is not quite as useful as fully killing one and afterburn isn't the danger it used to be.

[@Joshualgame]

Thx for your video editing skills. It’s absolutely hardwork and dedications

[@chasevball50]

The editing on this vid goes so hard, good shit man

[@i_maiko_i]

damn for 10k subs your production value is crazyyy it's very visible that you care about the quality with the editing and everything 💙💙

[@gafined2345]

degreaser is actually my main and I pair it with the panic attack and powerjack for an all around speedy boi

[@wolfcl0ck]

Very impressive editing on this video, my dude! Caught the algorithm on this one!

[@St.Sogofhedgehogs]

That's why i kept hearing things about the degreaser in the bg when I was playing

[@glitchedgamerz]

The backburner is basically how you unlock the subclass: Spyro(Basically Spy with a flamethrower that crits in the back.)

[@Toni.badiIm]

A pyro main who isnt an absolute freak this is amazing

[@Randomyoutuber-4831]

I think you're overlooking the weapon that synergizes perfectly with the degreaser: the panic attack. because the panic attack's deployment speed stacks with the degreaser's holster speed, Pyro essentially gets instant switch action between the two of them and if used correctly can achieve the highest single target damage possible in the game; you can even 1v1 heavies with the combo. Lazy Purple did some pretty good coverage of that fact in his video 'extras from: how it feels to play pyro', comparing it to a sort of dual wield situation since the weapon switch was so fast that the fire particles lingered and did damage while still sneaking in shotgun hits. This video is nice and well researched but it shows a clear bias towards flare gun combos, which granted is the degreaser's primary use but that doesn't mean there aren't alternatives to work with.

[@mksterfire7396]

holy moly this is incredible editing, nice

[@leonardocouto3109]

this is one fun video. Editing is really well made and the pacing is great. (Just... don't doxx alt accounts, man)

[@brimp4989]

Honestly I don’t use degreaser simply because of the after burn penalty. The amount of times where I was low health and was like “I don’t have to worry it was a degreaser pyro” is insane.

[@d4ngerd4n]

Damn you didnt even mention that prior to 2013 the gas jockey set gave you +10% moment speed for wearing the whole set (degreaser, powerjack, and the attendant hat) that was a huge part of what made it good

[@BalefireBombshell]

"There will be no way to recapture the same burning flame that was the original Degreaser." Weapon Revert Plugin: Am I a joke to you.

[@UnusualSandwich]

Unfortunately not 100% accurate, the revert plugins I've seen do not accurately account for the pre tough break switch speed for the degreaser, instead keeping the 65% and making it stronger than it actually was back then