Life is Strange: Before the Storm - The Worst Best Friend

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Time Stamps
00:00 - Intro
05:20 - EP1 Awake
20:25 - EP2 Brave New World
28:08 - EP3 Hell is Empty
36:57 - Conclusion
Folks Who Helped Out.
YMS/Adum
Y’all probably already know him, but did you know he did a let’s play of LiS and BtS? Go check it out here. He’s much less forgiving than I am.
• YMS Plays: Life is Str...
Finn M-K
He produced the music for the theatre scene. Super talented multi-instrumentalist!
/ @finnmk
Miles John
He animated the hospital scene, go check out his animations!
/ @milesjohn
Music Used in Order
Intro
Dynamic Theme - • Dynamic Theme Music [L...
Ol' Pickaxe - • Night in the Woods OST...
Dinner at Bea's - • Dinner at Bea's
Hotel - • Undertale OST - Hotel ...
Episode 1 - Persona
Iwatodai Dorm - • Persona 3 OST - Iwatod...
The Voice Someone Calls - • Video
Deep Inside My Mind Remix - • Persona 3 Portable: Wa...
During the Test - • Persona 3 OST - During...
Troubled - • Persona 3 - Troubled (...
Living with Determination - • Persona 3 OST - Living...
Mistic - • Persona 3 OST - Mistic
Episode 2 - Persona
Backside of the TV - • Video
Finn M-K Commissioned Song
Like a Dream Come True - • [Persona 4 OST] 09 - L...
Who's There - • [Persona 4 OST] 10 - W...
Episode 3
Gentle Madman - • Video
Another Ideology - • Video
Interrogation Room - • Interrogation Room - P...
Royal Days (Another Version) - • Video
Confessions - • Confessions - Secret -...
New Beginning - • Video
Out of Kindness - • Video
Conclusion
Greenpath - • Video
Scattered and Lost - • [Official] Celeste Ori...
Hotel - • Undertale OST - Hotel ...

[@uricksaladbar]

Yooo thanks for watching, just wanted to give a shout out to those who helped me with the video! Finn M-K He produced the music for the theatre scene. Super talented multi-instrumentalist! kzbin.info/door/PFa8eILLBJpwiDmxTprpoQ Miles John He animated the hospital scene, go check out his animations! kzbin.info/door/jUcbqrP3JnuUKdybiJoJmQ YMS/Adum Y’all probably already know him, but did you know he did a let’s play of LiS and BtS? I even used a brief clip of it at the start of EP 3 of this video! Go check it out for much less kind take on the franchise. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2LWg6Shf6qbjdU

[@soultr549]

Where is Terry hints the best best friend video ? uricksaladbar

[@idkfml6175]

Already subcribe 😗 pls do more video about LIS...

[@leninthebeaniesouhacker.2459]

I wanna know what do you think of life is strange 2. (Also, you should play UnderRail, it's a great game!)

[@Samm815]

Sorry, I don't want to support an animal abuse apologist.

[@leninthebeaniesouhacker.2459]

@@Samm815 wait what

[@booorue4876]

Racheal going on about how her family's love isn't real because her mom isn't her bio mom: Adopted kids:

[@memo-fq3ps]

I feel really bad for the mom. Poor woman has to put up with bullshit from both her husband and daughter. Just from the way she talked and acted, you could tell she probably felt broken inside.

[@alicenevermind9752]

@@memo-fq3ps That was probably unintentional and just bad voice acting lol

[@redrangerrr558]

@@memo-fq3ps It's sad because a lot of kids would rather have caring parents than biological ones. Her mother raised her for years, took care of her basic necessities, made sure she was healthy and looked after and because she isn't related, the daughter she's raised sees her love as fake and like she'll never be an actual mum. It's disgusting and selfish, especially when you consider how many kids wish they had different parents.

[@Soapy-chan_old]

Way to misrepresent her.

[@shrekonion8307]

So dumb, "my mom didnt poop me out her cooter so my life is a lie woe is me." Such a shitty character

[@nefarioussness]

Rachel saying that her parents’ love isn’t real cuz her stepmom isn’t her birth mother pisses me off. I was lovingly raised by my mom and stepdad-aka my true dad-all my life. The sperm donor sends me money twice a year and that’s it. Blood doesn’t matter if there’s no love and effort.

[@kashregester3974]

And i was raised by my bio father that ive cut contact with at 15! Life's weird sometimes huh? Sometimes having a bio parent isnt the best thing. Not always a loving home for a kid to go back to after school.

[@MrNickPresley]

Kash Regester One could say that life... *is strange*

[@jasapotato8362]

@@kashregester3974 Y-You could say...Life is Strange!

[@thesambehindtheslaughter8843]

@@kashregester3974 life really is strange huh?

[@shy8311]

I am kinda in an inbetween situation but even I got mad at it. My parents are sepersted and I really arent close to my bio dad but I also dont call my stepdad dad even though he lived with us since I was 5 since I still regularly had contact to my bio dad. But I would never say that his love or care towards me is useless because he isnt my bio dad.

[@gurglequeen433]

"That woman you caught me making out with wasn't a mistress, she was your mother." Okay, cool, cool but uh.... SHE'S STILL NOT YOUR WIFE!!!!

[@RR-on4sk]

Thank you!! I rarely hear that brought up! Why was he making out with the bio mom and that's ok?

[@user-es2zm5rg4x]

@@RR-on4sk exactly! They weren’t together anymore, and boy he made that clear, but we’re supposed to be like “ah cool!” Just cause he said he kissed her cause they were parting ways? Hugs exist, you know, or even a handshake. Like, he has a WIFE. and she’s just silently over there watching him try and explain himself like she didn’t find that fucking weird? It’s unrealistic. Even if she gave some sort of reaction at the dinner table, it was more of just a “omg!” Not “what the fuck?!”

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

@@user-es2zm5rg4x My best guess is that she chose to discuss it later rather than undermining him by confronting him in front of their daughter, as most competent parents would do.

[@animeprofilepicture7357]

People can kiss unromantically. Families kiss. Some people even kiss friends as greetings

[@gottagetcrapdone2100]

@@animeprofilepicture7357 You mean on the cheek though?

[@Brian-rx9sp]

My best rationalisation for why Chloe always wins these backtalk sections is that everyone she talks to is so bewildered by how terrible and low effort her comebacks are that they physically can't bring themselves to make any further response. As if they're thinking "Holy shit, is this girl actually serious?"

[@judaihyuga]

Or their brain just shuts down from the sheer stupidity. I had that happen once. Someone asked me 7% of 100 was. My brain just stopped dead to protect itself.

[@summerrose8110]

I hated the backtalk mechanic. That is the most brain dead, patronizingly woke, condescending insults I've ever heard.🤦‍♀️

[@jirehbochung5983]

There is a quote by Mark Twain that goes: “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

[@rafaelgomez1200]

Reminds me of its "hard to win an argument with a smart person but impossible to win with a stupid person."

[@dimsum3329]

Remember, arguing with a smart person is hard, but arguing with a dumb person is impossible

[@peaceribbon8322]

That Rachel drawing is so aesthetically pleasing that the model looks terrible by comparison.

[@_-Lx-_]

What about the gremlin version of her he used throughout the video that ones a Mastapiece, reminds me of Pelo a little.

[@POP-nm1ix]

Thinking about it, saladbar could've done a video on the character in your pfp about 'awful done bad'

[@LUMDERE]

@@POP-nm1ix But Neku was written well..what do you mean

[@POP-nm1ix]

@@LUMDERE So was Brad..

[@danielmerin2646]

This is just Tumblr - The Game.

[@Oniqueen]

Wait. Are you telling me that Chloe fans are blaming Rachal Amber for Chloe's faults? Chloe the person who famously said "Gotta blame someone, or else it's my fault" No self awareness there at all, huh?

[@memo-fq3ps]

To be fair, Chloe from the prequel game isn't nearly as bad as Chloe from the first game (in my opinion). In the prequel game, she just seemed like your typical rebellious and bratty teen. She was a bit selfish at times, but there were moments when she is more empathetic and actually did things by the goodness of her heart (giving the kid the money back after attempting to steal it for Frank, looking for Rachel's mom, supporting Rachel when she finds out about her biological mother, etc). In the original game however, she's pretty much just as bad as Rachel. There's a saying that says that who you spend time with is who you become. Chloe clearly was so close to Rachel that she started to subconsciously share some of Rachel's traits as they hung out more and more. I mean, she even started using the word, "Hella" because of Rachel. I also think that if Rachel was willing to send Chloe off to break into her dad's office and look for her biological mother in a sketchy area where she could get herself killed or in trouble, she probably made Chloe do her dirty work on other occasions after that as well, thus having Chloe face even more trauma. Mix that with the horrible influence from Rachel and the trauma from losing your father at 14, it's not a good combination. Of course Rachel isn't the only reason Chloe is a bad person, but I think Rachel sort of enhanced her worst traits.

[@memo-fq3ps]

To be fair, Chloe from the prequel game isn't nearly as bad as Chloe from the first game (in my opinion). In the prequel game, she just seemed like your typical rebellious and bratty teen. She was a bit selfish at times, but there were moments when she is more empathetic and actually did things by the goodness of her heart (giving the kid the money back after attempting to steal it for Frank, looking for Rachel's mom, supporting Rachel when she finds out about her biological mother, etc). In the original game however, she's pretty much just as bad as Rachel. There's a saying that says that who you spend time with is who you become. Chloe clearly was so close to Rachel that she started to subconsciously share some of Rachel's traits as they hung out more and more. I mean, she even started using the word, "Hella" because of Rachel. I also think that if Rachel was willing to send Chloe off to break into her dad's office and look for her biological mother in a sketchy area where she could get herself killed or in trouble, she probably made Chloe do her dirty work on other occasions after that as well, thus having Chloe face even more trauma. Mix that with the horrible influence from Rachel and the trauma from losing your father at 14, it's not a good combination. Of course Rachel isn't the only reason Chloe is a bad person, but I think Rachel sort of enhanced her worst traits.

[@higaiwokeru]

People that are like Chloe will be attracted to her, thats why most of Tumblr thought Chloe was a good character

[@coolgoyim1133]

Chloe who shot a dog

[@Soapy-chan_old]

I don't. Because I am not stupid and know that Chloe and Rachels are good characters.

[@rrruntuntunn]

Honestly, I don't think Rachel even liked Chloe. I think she just played her and used her because she needed help leaving Arcadia Bay. When she kissed Chloe in the game, it didn't even seem real to me and I feel like she did that to manipulate Chloe into genuinely wanting to leave her mom behind.

[@summerrose8110]

I agree. She used Frank for drugs and manipulates him with sex. Frank actually did have real feelings for her, then Rachel got with Jefferson and couldn't manipulate him.

[@frankmerker630]

You all are reading way too much into it. The writers of this game aren’t that creative or put that much thought into their characters

[@rrruntuntunn]

@@frankmerker630 Or maybe we just have our own thoughts, opinions, and theories on the game and we’re simply sharing what we think.

[@summerrose8110]

@@frankmerker630 That's the point we're making. The writers at Deck9 suck and are worse than Dontnod.

[@bruh-sz3wy]

@@summerrose8110 true. I miss Max

[@bigboybastard7162]

Cloe and Rachael talking to each other sounds like Alexa and Siri tried to converse with each other

[@RanMouri82]

Alexa x Siri: The Game of the Movie

[@raptorjesus2516]

I'd rather hear Alexa and siri try to converse then play before the storm

[@nymphohalo]

Fr It’s so fucking stiff an elder could write a better high school convo than that

[@ayrtonjoga]

I think Chloe's new VA is ok, but Rachel's is just terrible, she talks with a tone when people mock others by making a silly voice of themselves, it's so stiff and robotic Edit: Ok I re-watched some scenes again, Chloe's VA is also terrible, good lord

[@neet4neet]

Like the bit in bojack horseman where princess carolyn and todd's phones grows sentience

[@nickelakon5369]

David's characterization is so different then how he's portrayed, I don't know how bad the writers are but they somehow want to paint David as some evil, over-bearing step-dad but end up somehow painting him as a sympathetic, well-intentioned guy struggling to reachout to his step-daughter.

[@shakieltaylor9995]

Funny really. Ended up liking the character im supose to hate while I HATED chole

[@SeekersLegacy]

That’s because David DOES love Chloe and wants to reach out to her. Guess you didn’t pay attention for shit to the first game.

[@SeekersLegacy]

And also, David IS a well written character. So...

[@harry426]

@@SeekersLegacy Calm down.

[@ekosovic]

can't it be both, like real human beings

[@glittery_cucumber]

Showing Rachel at all was a mistake. She was set up so mysteriously in the first game, nothing ever made sense - she was a completely different person for everyone in Arcadia Bay. Pulling off her character would have required a stroke of genius.

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

The expectations for her character were set far too high; the perfect popular girl who everyone loved. Hell, even Victoria had respect for her. Bringing her back gave the writers the astronomical challenge of getting the audience to fall in love with this character too while keeping our expectations intact.

[@calistusjay60]

@@TheMedicatedArtist Personally I think they succeeded in bringing her to life. I find her writing to be extremely complex and layered. Best thing about this game. Every line of dialogue she says has like 6 different interpretations. It's awesome.

[@sirilthefirst8971]

@@calistusjay60 Bruh

[@RanMouri82]

And based on the mediocre characterization and dialogue of the original LiS, presenting a fleshed-out Rachel Amber was impossible.

[@EightyFourThousands84000s]

@@calistusjay60 I agree. Her wide range of facial expressions coupled with her dynamic tone of voice really sold her as a quality character. Don't even get me started on the poetry that was her dialog. It's hard holding back tears of admiration every time I hear her intelligible speech.

[@regrettability6434]

just realized that the phrase "perfect people aren't perfect" has the same initials as "pen pinapple apple pen"

[@obinnandubuisi3846]

Whyyyyyyy

[@billymays5175]

Jesus I haven't heard that meme in 5 years.

[@samsung4360]

GOD : *Oh shit! You're a genius you mor0n!*

[@detectivehan5717]

I have a "perfect people", I have a "Aren't perfect". Uhn, "Perfect people aren't perfect."

[@Pootis-Spencer]

Hella funny

[@euniceayala8570]

Rachel: *burns picture and screams* Chloe: 😐

[@midgore]

Ngl id have the same reaction as chloe

[@elizabethsmith7224]

I'd have probably been more worried about the forest fire to be honest

[@fefiedmond1920]

The best portrayal xDDDDD

[@Rachel.DawnAmber]

She was more 😮, frozen and not sure what to do

[@MegaAndyGG]

Was that the start for the coming tornado? Forest burn, some nature magic and more magic and some shit and then tornado. Or is it because Max rewind future too much? Or something else??

[@Jadisons]

So basically, Chloe and Rachel amplify each other's worst traits

[@Lily-fu1xl]

sounds like it

[@ignaciovitalis3971]

Truly a match made in heaven

[@LeaveMeAloneFBI]

Yeah, they think they go well with each other but in reality they just bring out the worst in one another

[@Lilothestitch]

Chloe and Rachel are not bad characters

[@SylentVoidkeeper]

Could make for an interesting story if the writers were aware of that fact

[@---gj3qn]

"This is fan fiction level of writing" How dare you insult fan fiction like that.

[@theloganator5738]

I’m sure there’s some out there that does a better job at exploring Chloe and Rachel’s relationship

[@005AJ]

@@theloganator5738 I prefer thinking that it wasn't the case, 'cause that would be really dissapointing.

[@Christian-gr3gu]

Well thank you finally

[@Shift_Salt]

@Ahmed malaki Might want to think about that for a bit, lots of well regarded pieces of work can be considered "fan-fiction." Like Insomniac's Spider-Man game, yeah they were paid to work on it but the writers are fans and not all of them are officially connected to Marvel. So you could argue the story they wrote was in a way fan fiction, just very high quality fan-fiction in the form of a licensed product.

[@Shift_Salt]

@Just a normal nazgul technically Steve Ditko is responsible for creating Spider-Man. Stan Lee just knew he wanted a young rookie Superhero, he took the idea to Jack Kirby but Kirby kinda just made a spiderthemed Captain America. So then he asked Ditko to take a crack at it and we actually got the Spider-Man we know. These stories and characters are group efforts, and even after these original people have long since passed the character is still going. As long as something is true to the original character it doesn't matter if it's "official" or "fanfiction" because even officially made stories can screw up the characters while fan content could be a much better representation of them. It's about familiarity with the source material, not some official position.

[@joyflameball]

Maybe my sense of humor is fucked but the line in your outline "David blames Rachel for corrupting Chloe with crime and homosexuality" is so fucking funny to me

[@summerrose8110]

He's right about the corrupting part. Although Chloe was already toxic without Rachel.

[@visassess8607]

Congratulations, you laughed at a joke.

[@tfordham13]

​@Summer Rose not as toxic but R elevated it to a higher point

[@IDontReallyWantAYoutubeHandle]

⁠​⁠@@visassess8607 It's half a joke sure, but there are some people who genuinely believe in stuff like that. I could imagine David being the type if the game really wanted me to hate him and didn't fail miserably

[@sweg-man200]

Even worse because the prequel actually made me like David even more and made me think “God damn, who wouldn’t slap this bitch at some point?”

[@KittyKatty999]

Why are people NEVER afraid of meeting their "real mother/father/family"? Especially when circumstances show that the "real" family members is dangerous or otherwise someone you shouldn't rush to meet? From experience, I say that the people who raise you and love you genuinely, are more important than those who don't really care, or are destructive to the family

[@charisleighmusic]

In the wise words of Mr. Feeny, “You don’t have to be blood to be family.”

[@basedkaiser5352]

People can pretend that blood doesn’t mean anything but when you see your own blood, you immediately feel a connection. I agree with your statement but the calling of your own blood might be stronger than you expect.

[@mattpace1026]

@@basedkaiser5352 Trust me dude, I can tell you from experience that the "calling of your blood" is not a thing.

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

Unless you're adopted you wouldn't really get it. It's hard to explain to non adoptees, but every kid from a closed adoption goes through that phase of yearning to find their biofamily. I won't make actual contact, but I still have a vague need to see their faces.

[@winter2025]

Or just don't want them around

[@souleaterevans4589]

For a game that's not supposed to have powers, Rachel screaming at a tree being emphasized by wind animation and immediately resulting in a thoroughly crisped tree really _looks_ like one.

[@skydreamer4225]

True

[@LegioXXI]

tbh, Chloe being able to convince other people with that cheesy and wannabe-edgy dialogue really can be seen as superpower. No real person can convince others about anything with lines like the ones in that game.

[@souleaterevans4589]

@@LegioXXI True, true. Her "sharp tongue" is certainly dull and unoriginal

[@Ashen_Engineer]

A hero, a hero, claims a warriors heart I tell you, I tell you, the Dragonborn comes With a voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art Believe, believe, the Dragonborn comes

[@TakumiTheHoshidianPrince]

I KNOW RIGHT ! At the beginning of the game, it really seemed like it was going supernatural and I remember people really debating what power she was going to have. Oh and I also remember seeing somebody ranting about how "yes Rachel is a chameleon, because of her bad writing. You want her to be a super popular rich girl ? Fine. But also an edgy rebel ? Of course she will ! And you also want her to fulfill the power side of this game ? This can happen as well !" and really, this oddly supernatural scene confirm this feeling of her having 10 different writing at the same time.

[@cryingthrowingup4256]

i saw so many red flags in chloe that i saw in past toxic friends so the fact that people were sacrificing arcadia bay for her was so... why???

[@Daehpo]

As someone who played the first game, I remember being frustrated with it my first playthru. Game breaking glitches didn't help, but that wasn't what put me over the edge. The final chapter's absurd stealth section was annoying. Being given a binary choice for the conclusion that makes all the prior choices irrelevant was what pissed me off. I picked the "save Chloe" ending out of spite for the game because I knew it was the "wrong" choice. That's just me tho.

[@JJ-gz5uq]

Because of the lack of gay representation in video games. It leaves us settling for less..

[@katsepogo2781]

Bcs we as players spent time with Chloe and through some clumsy storyteling became invested emotionaly with her, plus the finał choice is between progresing further with our heroins (even though the Arcadia Bay destruction ending last 2min or so) and a complete destruction of our love story (note that this ending last way longer/is more fleshed out than the other). For me it was a clear message with ending was corect by the developers. People moan about "this isn't fair, I worked so hard to save her" or "she does/ does not deserve Max" when ther is an ending that's negates all our previous choices. The Chloe death ending is for me still a progres bcs of all that Max experienced, even if by that time line she/we didn't acomplish anything tangible, she still has the memories of it as we do. It reminded me a bit of one KZbin artist who after finishing her work would then destroy it as a some form of freeing herself from it, not beinng defined by it. People wer outraged at her in the coments for that as if her work belonged to them, while she simply stated that she will remember her work an make more in the future.

[@navivaldez6240]

Chloe sucks

[@anonymousapproximation8549]

@@katsepogo2781 #NotMyLoveStory

[@sussy3778]

I feel that one of the reasons why Chloe's character is so bad is that there's this weird disconnect between her actions and her Dad dying, which in the first game was portrayed as the reason why she is this way. Chloe is a rebel without a cause, if her actions were more closely linked to how her father died it would make her a lot more interesting. If he, for example, died because he got mistaken for a criminal by the police, Chloe lack of trust for authority would be more understandable because you could see where she is coming for, and she would have a more believable reason to why she hates her step-dad, who is from the military.

[@NeighborSenpai]

Omg your story is actually really good and comes from a very logic standpoint! I actually mean it her family had a conflict with authority then being a rebel and hating David who's a veteran would make a lot of sense

[@sussy3778]

@@NeighborSenpai Thank you.

[@TamagoSenshi]

It's because she rejects the world itself

[@Kloyster2010]

Someone should make this guy a writer

[@may_ryann]

What if her dad had died because a Prescott was drunk driving and hit his car, then bailed himself out and escaped legal trouble because of money and power. Not only it would show just how bad the Prescotts are (adding to the first game) but it would explain why Chloe hates Arcadia Bay and doesn't respect authority there, because the Prescotts own the place. Joyce is trying to pull Chloe out of her "rebellious phase" because the Prescotts are threatening her.

[@carmanstriker1853]

Never ceases to mildly annoy me seeing Chloe scare the train operator into slamming on the brakes right at the beginning. Poor bastard doesn't need the kinda stress a possible suicide-by-train prank is gonna give them lmao.

[@NeighborSenpai]

Knowing the awful PTSD train drivers experience when they hit a person or a car it makes me furious, there's a high chance the train driver went into full on panic

[@ShadowLabs]

its a video game, the operator wasn’t even modelled

[@dustyrose192]

@@ShadowLabs this is something that happens irl, and we're dicussing how terrible a person chloe is

[@nothingisawesome]

@@dustyrose192I mean talking about how train drivers get ptsd from hitting people/cars as a response to a scene that lasts 10 seconds in a game is asking for it. I mean Jesus Christ dude

[@shmoop716]

I like how the drawings of Chloe and Rachael slowly deteriorate as the video goes on

[@almalone3282]

Those drawing are better storytelling than the entire Lis franchise

[@steellion1803]

I like how you people's minds slowly deteriorated when watching this video because it is obvious.

[@steellion1803]

@@almalone3282 "those drawing" and yet has 92 likes

[@almalone3282]

@@steellion1803 what are you trying to say?

[@Shift_Salt]

@@almalone3282 he's tryin to be pissy and start shit.

[@Jpinkyfan]

I hate when characters find out one of their parents aren't biological, and freak out. Bruh They raised u Who cares

[@1810jeff]

It's always a double standard on one hand they like to say that "Your parents don't have to be biologically related to you" then in the same breath they talk about how they hate their dads. It's basically the canary in the coal mine for a woman with a destructive personality.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@1810jeff I've never understood that analogy. Would you mind explaining it?

[@1810jeff]

@@grandarkfang_1482 what part specifically

[@QuestionableLogic_]

@@grandarkfang_1482 The analogy basically means an early sign of imminent danger. It comes from the fact that miners would carry canaries in coal mines with them. If dangerous gasses, like carbon monoxide started to collect, it would kill the canary, signaling to the miners it was time to leave immediately.

[@ladyheavdev]

Damn staight. Blood related or not they love you regardless

[@NoLiveGirl]

honestly , I liked the idea of Rachel in the first game BECAUSE we never got to meet her. Hearing Chloe and everyone else talk about how great she was made everyone think of this "perfect girl", everyone would have their own version of who Rachel was and why we wanted her back. Playing the second game just left me deissapointed. I didn't want to safe this Rachel, I didn't care for her and thought Chloe would've been better off without her. Which makes whatever I did in the first game less valuable to me

[@delbertharris8355]

Also she cheated on chole

[@kyotie6380]

Like in Heather’s where Heather becomes this martyr and everyone makes their own version of her after her death, even though she’s a horrible person. I totally agree!!

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

I think the best writing choice for Rachel would have been to make her a manic pixie dream girl, but one who is self aware about it and the personality she projects is more or less tailored to be charming and attention grabbing. Her real personality could be a more bitter, cynical, emotionally fragile, and slightly irresponsible one and Chloe could have been the one person Rachel allowed to see even a glimpse of it. Fits with the fire metaphore, works with rachels story arc and who she was set up as in the first game, her character, and the theme of the ugly truth and beautiful lies.

[@kyotie6380]

This!!! When I played the first game, this was what I assumed she was like. A manic pixie dream girl on the outside, but a narcissist when that is peeled away.

[@sapphic.flower]

Victoria drugs Rachel: evil Rachel drugs Victoria: cool???

[@hinata1ize]

@Summer Rose Considering Victoria respects Rachel but tries to drug her anyway makes me think it's jealousy, especially since the first game shows how insecure she actually is.

[@Shift_Salt]

The Duality of Stupid Writing

[@BeanSprouts02]

As someone who has a soft spot for Victoria, that made me so angry honestly

[@omega8568]

Irony of life. Life is strange

[@suzumutsu]

i've seen so many playthroughs and people are always so angry at victoria but when rachel does THE SAME THING, they're like "YAS QUEEN!!" like? make it make sense?

[@amarie_2]

For some reason, I can’t picture Chloe keeping a diary.

[@bonkadoom]

Yea the only thing that makes it excusable is that technically she isn't keeping a diary - she's just pretending that she can still talk to her friend. If it wasn't for the letters to Max, i seriously doubt she would've been doing it, too

[@JuliaRaven]

i don’t really buy that she’d care about max after that long either. the “letters” were super unrealistic, and seemed like the writers only thought of her as an extension of max lol

[@Gooberwares]

20$ these were letters she didn’t even write

[@JTKwrites]

well it was years ago, it’s rachel who completely changed her into the chloe in the first game

[@Gooberwares]

@@JTKwrites so basically made her into a bit of bitch

[@coolgirl2044]

32:45 I love that urick basically gave up on trying to properly draw Rachel after this point. I seriously cracked up after finding out that finger thing was supposed to be Rachel.

[@nymphohalo]

He did the art??! I was looking for the artist. It’s beautiful and I love his style!

[@coolgirl2044]

@@nymphohalo Yeah! I follow him on Instagram! He goes by the same name there too.

[@poptwat]

😭😭😭😭🤣🤣

[@catherinecao4810]

Why is James Amber the bad guy? He’s trying to take care of his daughter and then suddenly tries to kill his ex? Does anyone think this is poor writing?

[@jakewulgar]

Nah youre right. Plus rachel is an idiot. A common trope in these games.

[@azaraxy]

i dont like how he resorted to having sera killed. that was such a stretch. like he couldve just been like “oh okay you’ve been sober a year?? well we can work this out - you can see rachel if you get drug tested every month to ensure that you are staying sober for seeing her” OR SOMETHING. HIRING DAMON TO KILL HER IS SO UNNECESSARY

[@thkearns3733]

No yeah I was confused. I actually didn’t catch that until I watched this video a second time through, and even still I had to double check to see if I heard uricksaladbar correct and yeah...for some reason James wants her dead. And no yeah, it is poor writing. Basically what it seems like is that the writers noticed that the other characters were a lot more sympathetic and understanding than Chloe and Rachel. But instead of trying to write Chloe and Rachel as better characters, they went with the easier option of making the others comically evil. It’s a way to make Chloe’s and Rachel’s opinion feel right and justified because Jame’s line of logic can be invalidated since wanting someone dead is morally bad. And if they can paint him as morally incorrect, then everything he has said to Rachel and Chloe can be ignored and that means Rachel and Chloe are the “right.” It’s the same with David. A lot of the stuff that he thinks and some of his actions that he makes all make sense and seem to have good intentions. But if he was a likable, sympathetic character, then that would mean Chloe would come off as a whinny brat. So how do they fix it? Let’s just make him a misogynist. And controlling. And maybe even some physical abuse in there. There we go. Now everything he says can be invalidated because he is “bad person.” And everything Chloe says and does is right, because she is “good.”

[@tonyplays8083]

@@azaraxy I take law courses in school and Sara would not have a leg to stand on. They live in America and if you abandon your child for over a year you lose your parental rights. Adding onto the fact that she was a heroin addict and was absent from her daughters life for over 10 years without paying child support she would be fucked. Hell she would need a lawyer for criminal defense because she would be charged with child neglect and fraud for not paying child support for fifteen years.

[@ahhhhhh124]

Yeah it feels like they keep wanted us to hate these father figures and in James case, they had to add in something extreme.

[@aliceduren6542]

It's almost fitting that they call Rachel a chameleon. Just like it's a misconception that all the stars in the sky are dead, it's untrue that chameleons change color to fit their environment. They actually change color depending on their mood and body temperature, and I think comparing Rachel to a creature that sticks out like a sore thumb is very fitting considering her voice acting.

[@honestkyn718]

helps the fire metaphor. sticks out and hurts people

[@summerrose8110]

That dead stars thing was very stupid. When Rachel said that I was like stars are still burning bimbo.

[@prettyspectrum6371]

It fits with the "all the stars are already dead" bit. They have an idea and a point but don't search into it and just make an half ass statement that could be better and is half correct

[@summerrose8110]

@@prettyspectrum6371 Don't excuse Deck9. They screwed up this franchise, by being bad writers.

[@vilmavenla]

​@@summerrose8110 the writers didn't do their homework

[@Xel963]

That yelling at Fire scene was so bad, it comes across as a superpower to me turning it into a very silly scene

[@Anna-tk7ui]

People actually theorized that Rachel had weather powers after that scene. Turns out it was just bad writing lol.

[@LooneyLei]

The background music was *fire* though

[@andrewvillatoro4605]

I just felt embarrassed tbh

[@lillyuna4985]

@@LooneyLei It's a Triple A Worthy Music Wait-

[@QueenAleenaFan]

It was hyped up as if she did have magic. Kinda silly they put that in and didn't run with it

[@miguellemir242]

The first time I played this one, I never felt the "allure" of Rachel. She reeked "sociopath" out of every pore and her emotional outburst came off to me as whiny and manipulative- but NOT in a charming or suave way, more like a child pitting their parents against each other.

[@nymphohalo]

Before we learned about her, she was super cool, that is, till we got to know her

[@madelinef2486]

I wish u ppl would stop throwing around serious terms like sociopath to describe teenagers who act out. Its ridiculous & I can guarantee y'all were stupid as children too even if it was by doing or saying different things to Chloe.

[@madelinef2486]

@Philosophy someone having an emotional break down over their father that they lost that they were extremely close to as well as feeling the loss of their best friend moving because of how much she loved her is exactly the opposite of a sociopath. there is a difference between someone acting tough after trauma and avoiding showing feelings bc of fear of being hurt versus a sociopath. Chloe is not one

[@madelinef2486]

@Philosophy Chloe is called a socipath moreso than rachel in these comments, not by you directly but majority of comments here. i dont disagree with you that rachel had some extreme emotional issues, probably more than chloe because she hid hers. i mean anything is possible its just sad to see how many people just openly call people serious terms

[@javiergonzalez.6150]

@Philosophy Agree! (The last coment).

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

I think we should've played as Rachel in this game. The sharp-tongue mini-game could've been used for her but it's far more obvious manipulating. And have her walk through the path to her death by cheating on Frank with Chloe, her manipulating Chloe, then her finally speaking to Mr. Jefferson? And as soon as she spoke her first sentence with Mr. Jefferson, the game ended?

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

That was my thought as well. Since everyone had their own unique vision of who Rachel was in the first game, it would only make sense we get to play it out in the prequel. We could decide if she was just an emotional manipulator, or if her affections was genuine.

[@tanishambrowne1137]

Sounds like better idea

[@vilmavenla]

I think they should've made her prettier, just to get the "mesmerizing beauty" aspect more clear. Maybe also have her Backtalk include flattery and such, i also think it would be cool if you could pick different makeups and various hairstyles and outfits for her, since shes supposed to be a cameleon.

[@shonascott5499]

That opening scene always made me hate Chloe so much more because THE POOR TRAIN DRIVER TRIED TO HIT THE BRAKES AND HONKED SO MUCH. Imagine you see a teenager standing on the tracks, but because of the distance you wouldn't be able to stop! The driver would be blamed and probably thought they were going to kill her and was terrified for her... and Chloe just playfully jumps off the track? WTF? The driver would've been blamed if she got stuck on the track like in the first game but she's edgy and wanted an adrenaline rush/may have suicidal tendencies? I would've cried and screamed if I was that driver because they were alert and tried so hard to stop and honked several times to warn her but she just didnt move until the last second???

[@RoxasLov3r4Ev3r]

It's one thing to self harm yourself but intentionally inflicting trauma onto someone else, especially an innocent STRANGER??? Vile 😐😐😐😐

[@javiergonzalez.6150]

Deck Nine: *Yes* How I hate them.

[@summerrose8110]

And Ashly Burch and Hannah Telle still think Chloe is a powerful feminist icon. I've seen videos of them playing the game and they fucking defend Chloe's toxic behavior. Max too.

[@summerrose8110]

@@javiergonzalez.6150 The more I think about it they really were glorifying toxic traits that females do and never get accountability. Funny when I was playing both games I liked the male characters more than the females no matter hard the game tried to manipulate me to ignore Chloe's toxic and abusive behavior towards EVERYONE. The characters that had potential, but done so dirty is Brooke. I hate how they made her be jealous of garbage hypocrite Max. The Warren hate is absolutely stupid and hypocritical. This game is the most sexist and misandrist piece of shit I've ever witnessed and the fact that people tried to flame me for calling out Chloe's actions makes me fucking sick. I bet you had Chloe been a guy and was toxic like that to Max nobody would be okay with that, but the fact that Chloe is a female she gets a free pass to be Amber Heard. Rachel was no angel either and I'm glad she died the way she did. This whole not holding females accountable for their actions thing really pisses me off. Nathan's story was way more intriguing because HE'S AN ACTUAL VICTIM OF ABUSE. I disagree with the notion that he killed Rachel. It's just like how Scar gaslighted Simba to believe he killed his dad. And I've had people insult me by saying I sympathize with a murderer and need help. Typical twisting of words and interpretation. I don't excuse what Nathan actually HAS done, however he is a teenager who was gaslighted and manipulated by a pedo teacher. Also another reason why I think Nathan didn't kill Rachel, his reaction when he shoots Chloe. That is not the reaction of serial killer. Jefferson on the other hand, how calm he was as if he's done that before. Nathan was more erratic and shaky. And there's that medication he's on that gave him muscle spasms. That's why I say Nathan did not kill Rachel, he's a victim too. Jefferson abused him too. I got angry at Max's selective bias whenever she ignored male abuse. Chloe abused her the whole damn game and Max was too stupid to see how Chloe manipulated and gaslighted her. Also I have to point this out, Max and Chloe have NO chemistry whatsoever. It's very thin, artificial and forced. I think the writers only did it so they can get brownie points with the LGBTQA, but it's not authentic. And besides Max IS NOT friends with Chloe. All Chloe does is bully, gaslight, abuse and force Max to do her bidding like a slave and if Max questions it Chloe coerces Max by mocking her like a bully would. At least with Victoria I believe she actually does have redeemable traits. The scene if you choose to comfort Victoria, she's actually genuine even the scene at the party she knows her flaws, but gets extra pressure from her parents to always be perfect, so Victoria has to do immoral things to please her parents. I actually liked that with her. Kate too. Kate comes from a very religious family, so imagine what she experiences. Alyssa was cool too. I also hate how Dontnod made Mrs. Grant say that whitewashed lie about the Native Americans and British and French(Spain too) invaders "having peace and prosperity". I played Life Is Strange, because I saw potential in it, but the way Chloe's was a tool to manipulate the audience to believe that Chloe is a good person while ignoring ALL of the toxic things she does really grinds my gears. Good thing I was in my early 20s when I played this, so I hated Chloe and knew she was garbage from the get go. However I'm sure teenagers played this and got tricked into thinking Chloe was good. That's sad how Dontnod tried to gaslight kids with lies. And with this Amber Heard thing out now I will forever call Chloe Price the doppelganger of Amber Heard.

[@Ijustlovekeyleth]

Chloe Price fans be like:Who cares about your trauma? My sweet cinnamon roll is still alive!! Cops go take him to jail!!

[@YMS]

Ey thanks for having me

[@jakehate]

Adum your going to dip

[@HannahW2016]

Iconic stuff, my man, good to see you and salad working on stuff together

[@TelliusifItWasReal]

it was hella steampunk

[@DrBodyshot]

That's what hella BFFs are for. Hella

[@imaginaryfanboy]

HELLA BFF

[@lunaf4863]

As someone who's biological parents gave me up leaving me to be adopted Rachel's whole thing feels so WEIRD like? I've never once felt my mom's love was a LIE maybe I said something like that as a bratty kid because dumb stupid kid BUT RACHELS LIKE WHAT 17 HERE?

[@user-hg2eb7wy5h]

1. i agree it was def stupid 2. chuu!

[@summerrose8110]

Rachel is 16 here, but yeah her said her mother's love for her is a lie just because they're aren't blood related is stupid.

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

I don't think she actually said anywhere that she can't love her adoptive mother, she clearly does, but I think anyone who is hit with the news that their mom isn't actually their mom is going to be troubled about it for at least a few days. Yall expect so much out of 16 year old girls lol

[@summerrose8110]

@@jesspavlichenko5745 She literally said in the game her dad who loves her no matter what and would go into hell for her is a lie. Her stepmother who loved her unconditionally is a damn lie. That's a stupid concept, and it makes no sense.

[@KE-yq2eg]

She's so good at reading people, even Jefferson!

[@mimries9612]

oh my god you're right

[@foxial5358]

To be fair, Jefferson is even better at manipulating people and has a perfect mask hiding his true nature to the point that the entire school admires and loves him, and Rachel was being groomed by him during the time she desperately tried to leave Arcadia Bay. And it was implied in LiS that Rachel knew about the Dark Room, since she says Jefferson is "kind of scary" in her letter to Chloe, and behind that letter is also a piece of the same paper that had the code of the Dark Room, and David caught Rachel bringing the same drugs to the campus that were used by Jefferson on his victims and she was interrogated by the police.

[@misterzygarde6431]

I remember Joshscorcher doing a video on 10 hated characters you’re supposed to like and he suggested that Chloe could’ve worked as an antagonist and that being with her could lead to a bad ending. I wonder how different Life is Strange would’ve gone if they made Chloe an antagonist

[@annabella1650]

Chloe would not work any better as an antagonist, mostly because she’s a very shallow character. She’s a jerk because she lost her father, became isolated and then lost her best friend; it’s not a bad start but we never seen her move beyond any of that. She’s never confronted with how or why she acts the way she does and is never told “you need to be a better person”, but just excused because of her tragic backstory. I doubt that would change if she were an antagonist.

[@EdgarTorres-mw5up]

I wonder how different the game could've been if it had good writing, but sadly we will never know.

[@hexxerman7656]

Wait, she wasn't?

[@zacharynetzer819]

Johnscorcher is still around? My lord, it’s been the better part of a decade since I’ve thought about him. Is Autarch of Flame uploading as well?

[@thelookoutpoint1]

@@zacharynetzer819 Unfortunately, not as the Autarch anymore, he's stopped doing top tens a long time ago.

[@jonesj99]

I remember a lot of streamers getting teary eyed with this game whether it was lets play or live streaming. I feel this game manipulated a lot of people into reading deeper into what was given, rather then what it was actually showing. The fanbase were a better Rachel than Rachel was.

[@gasterblaster9817]

That is actually a pretty common tactic in lazy writing nowadays. If you provide the barest outline of a character or plot and leave people to naturally fill in the blanks, they will, in their own heads, create something better than you ever could. An added bonus of this strategy is that people will become emotionally attached to their creation, since the vapid, empty shells of a character are, almost by design, filled in by personal perspectives and other subjective justifications. This is how you get people who will defend the quality of writing that is, by every available metric, terrible. Ultimately, the lesson is to not write the story for the author. If you find yourself justifying a plot or a character with things not present in the work itself, that's pretty good evidence of bad writing.

[@EspeonMistress00]

I mean jacksepticeye only liked the 1st game and had several criticisms. Before the Storm: He didn't like it. Even he thought it was unnecessary.

[@Duhgel]

Steven Universe be like

[@Santoryu90]

@@Duhgel Not really

[@Duhgel]

@@Santoryu90 After season 3-4, it's hard not to say they used emotions just to cover up the whole mess, especially since the future season was the worst of them all.

[@meganmouradian4957]

Personally I thought Before the Storm is okay. I honestly felt like it wasn't really needed. Tbh I was more interested in Nathan Prescott. Obviously he's a jock, bully, and engaged with Mr. Jefferson. But in Before the Storm he's a nerd and is the one being bullied. So what happened? What finally made him crack? How did he get involved with Mr. Jefferson? Was Nathan blackmailed because Mr. Jefferson found out about him wanting drugs to cope or was there something else? I'm surprised nobody ever mentions Nathan.

[@summerrose8110]

Because Dontnod and Deck9 are gender biased.

[@comicbookreviewer4856]

To me before the storm cant happen as i felt this game follows it own timeline away from the first game but that just me and the ending of the room shows the main timeline from the main game

[@summerrose8110]

@@comicbookreviewer4856 Chloe and Rachel caused the storm with their stupidity and selfishness.

[@comicbookreviewer4856]

@@summerrose8110 true on that one

[@ptlemon1101]

Videogames

[@papus615]

I love how Chloe and Rachels designs get increasingly more distorted

[@demberribus8559]

That line about the soldiers in civilian homes made me laugh. I can't believe that this was written into a game, which tries to make me care about the protagonist. It's something that Cartman from South Park would say when he wants to make himself look like a victim

[@1810jeff]

In my head all I thought was "oh so now you're a constitutionalist huh"

[@Anastas1786]

Something as small as an unmonitored stretch of fencing with a "No Trespassing" sign is a great enough affront to Chloe's sense of freedom that it warrants the double-bird, but then Step-Dad gets mildly annoying and suddenly she's _all about_ steadfast obedience to the Law and the ideals of democratic-republicanism.

[@theunitedcommonwealth715]

?.

[@demberribus8559]

@Afqwa my point was exactly that. Cartman constantly sees himself as the smartest and always thinks he's right in the end, even though he mostly pays the price for that. Both Chloe and Rachel have too many of his character traits making them look like complete morons or unintentional parodies of main characters

[@Shift_Salt]

Chloe is just angsty teenage girl Cartman oh my Gooood....

[@rachelmorones5636]

They should have started in the middle of the chloe/Rachel relationship. It should have followed Chloe’s almost obsessive friendship and desire for a romantic attachment while Rachel leads her on for her personal gain. It should have been a sort of origin story for why Chloe mistreats Max so much. Make it obvious that she is horrible to max and thinks that it is an example of being a good friend because that’s how Rachel treated her and she thinks that’s how things work.

[@RanMouri82]

Yes! That would've effectively retconned LiS's largest mistake with Chloe.

[@summerrose8110]

I'm more interested in Nathan. I knew that Nathan wasn't the culprit and he's more of a victim than Chloe is.

[@bruh-sz3wy]

@@summerrose8110 I don't think so, like, he's a literal psychopath, I know his parents didn't support him but Nathan murdering both Rachel and Chloe if you choose to sacrifice her doesn't exactly cover up.

[@summerrose8110]

@@bruh-sz3wy That boy didn't kill Rachel at all. That was all Jefferson. And as for Chloe, that puta deserved what was coming for her. She was literally blackmailing him and antagonizing Nathan. And Chloe TRIED TO ROB the boy. Dontnod glossed right over that. That angers me at Dontnod for trying to manipulate everyone into thinking Chloe is this cool person, but no she's the absolute WORST. I know she's fictional, but she is the God awful garbage character that has ever been made and she should NOT be celebrated or praised like Dontnod and Deck9 does. The cast of Life is Strange shouldn't be so blind to all Chloe's evil manipulations, abuse towards Max, and gaslighting. When I first discovered this franchise, I didn't know anything about it. I actually believed it had some potential. I was wrong. This game is more focused on praising abusive relationships and looking at shallow expositions. People are so desperate for same sex relationships they'd rather settle for garbage like Life is Strange. Dontnod should be ashamed of themselves. They should be disgraced for creating Chloe in the first place. Why aren't they cancelled? Why are people still blind to the gender biased stupidity? People called Warren a stalker, but turn a blind eye to everything Chloe does? WHY?! I question why this Life is Strange even exists, because it's trash. People trash Twilight, but more people should be trashing Life is Strange.

[@bruh-sz3wy]

@@summerrose8110 I hate Chloe too, she's too bitchy, but Nathan just bulling people, bringing guns in a frigging school, his rich kid attitude made me hate him. I heard the theory that Jeffersh*t killed Rachel but blamed it on Nathan but I'm not so sure about it. The characters I loved are Max, Kate, Warren, Alyssa, Victoria, Taylor, Ms Grant and Courtney.

[@basedkaiser5352]

Man, even Victoria ended up being a better character than Rachel. She genuinely felt bad for what she did to Kate and recognized that she was a bad person, and because of that she wants to be a better person.

[@horatio1547]

also, in life is strange 2, she stays in contact with David, thanks him for saving her, and shoes herself to have become a generous, humble and grateful person

[@disco_depression]

It infuriates me how the fandom treated Rachel exactly like the characters, as if she was a powerful goddess who could do no wrong. She is not powerful and extroverted, she's impulsive and manipulative.

[@summerrose8110]

If anything, in Life is Strange the females are the villains, but are never held accountable. Like Amber Heard.

[@mikaelmyers6135]

@@summerrose8110 my g Chloe and Rachel are definitely bastards but in no way is a shitty best friend more of a villain that dudes who literally drug and abduct women 💀💀

[@ernie5036]

@@summerrose8110 bro you are so fkn cringe

[@vilmavenla]

@@summerrose8110 except kate

[@higaiwokeru]

More importantly, shes poorly written

[@Christian-gr3gu]

I do hate it when people say stuff is fanfiction level writing. When fanfiction can have great writing in it, it's all about how good the writer is and how much they care

[@whitevalyrian3086]

Well you cant blame them, there are gems among fanfiction but most of it is self inserts, OCs and total destruction of characters we love.

[@gyppygirl2021]

As a fanfic writer myself, 90% of fanfic is hot garbage. This is absolutely fanfic-level writing.

[@primrosett]

There is genuinely good fic out there, plenty of it. But even if there wasn't, the way its constantly mocked would still leave a bad taste in my mouth... much of it is written by beginners or amateurs and is shared for free. Its literally just people having fun and sharing their ideas about media they love, i just find it so mean spirited how scornful ppl can be about it.

[@meat2023]

@@whitevalyrian3086 This still sounds like it applies to officially published stories

[@devilovesdevil]

To me fanfic on book levels is not a fanfic anymore. It's like a non-con book or light novel at that point. You can tell when something is a true "fan"fic

[@ryanleatigaga7596]

Pretty ironic how Rachel and Chloe imitate that girl on a laptop with a Valley Girl accent when in reality that's pretty much half the characters in this game

[@Rose0004]

It's effed up that Chloe and Rachel drugged Victoria, ESPECIALLY since years later, Chloe admitted to Max that Nathan drugged her. How is she going to complain about something happening to her that she WILLINGLY did to some other girl? No matter how mean Victoria is, Chloe is no better. Seriously, I NEVER understood why Chloe's character is so beloved.

[@madelinef2486]

Youre upset that they gave the cup back to someone that tried drugging them? What if max drugged Jefferson when he went to inject her with it, how would you have felt?

[@foxial5358]

@@madelinef2486 As it was already explained in the video, if you let Rachel take the blame, she is not part of the school play anymore. But before the play starts Rachel takes her role back anyway by drugging Victoria. And it was not even Victoria´s fault that Rachel got kicked out of the play, the game portrays her as a mean girl, but so far she has done nothing to deserve this. You could say that the game was trying to imply that Rachel is selfish, she´s willing to do whatever it takes to get what she wants. Her morals are so low and that’s why she started her relationships with Frank and Jefferson. And perhaps this scene tried to imply that Rachel even helped Jefferson when it came to the Dark Room (since in the prequel she is already ready to drug someone for such a petty reason). But as the video states, the prequel lacks self-awareness when it comes to this scene. Also, even if Victoria tries to drug Rachel there should have been many other things that Chloe and Rachel could have done like informing their teacher or pour the contents of the cup out. Eye for an eye in this kind of situation is not justice, it just makes "the good guys" look bad. And remember how serious issue drugging people was in the first game? Kate, Max, Chloe, Rachel and countless of other unknown girls were victims of being drugged against their will. But here it is played for laughs. *shrugs*

[@AssassinKillua15]

Its crazy to me that BTS never once explored anything with Frank nor Jefferson and all the while never explored her actual flaws regarding this. She was with the Vortex club. Was hooked up with Frank. And was intertwined with Mr Jefferson enough to have a problem with him and ultimately be murdered by him. How can you NOT explore that? I wanted to see more scenes with Rachel in these scenes with Frank and Jefferson. How her in these situations came to be. This game takes place during the time period she was with Frank and dealing with Mr Jefferson. Really though...how did this game just have her hide that? BTS should've just been played through Rachel instead of Chloe honestly. Showing what her relationship with Frank was actually like. How she got hooked up in the Vortex club. How she got tangled up with Nathan and became one of his victims. Idk how the writers just decided that seeing those things wasn't important.

[@foxial5358]

Agreed, that would have been much more interesting. Unfortunately, I think the reason why these aspects about Rachel were left completely unexplored, is because they didn´t want to ruin fanservice, and didn´t want to give any spoilers about LiS to those who play BtS before the main game. That´s why the story is about Rachel´s family that has nothing to do with LiS. At least we get a good sense of Rachel and her motivations if we pay attention to all the clues about her that are peppered throughout the first game. I think LiS wanted to show that many people in the Vortex Club have seemingly "perfect", but chaotic personal lives (Dana, Nathan etc.), including Rachel. It´s even implied that Rachel knew about the Dark Room; In her letter to Chloe she says that Jefferson is “kind of scary”, and behind that letter is the code of the Dark Room, David caught her trying to bring illegal pharmaceuticals to the campus - Jefferson used those same drugs on his victims - and she was interrogated by the police. And technically, it was Nathan who killed Rachel. There are many clues in the game that support this, and there was even an unused letter for episode 5 from Nathan to Jefferson (who has avoided Nathan for several months now and is angry with him) where he admits "Yes, I know I fucked up with R."

[@itdone239856000]

Goddamned laughed at the fire scene. Like it went from 0 to 100 real quick for no reason with Rachel screaming like a banshee and Chloe looking dumbfounded at Rachel screaming while a forest fire was happening. I felt like that this didn’t need to happen for dramatic effect. Instead, I kept laughing at that ridculous scene. lol

[@JB-wl7jx]

Although I didn’t laugh I totally get where you are coming from that scene actually made me hate Rachel completely. Who the hell burns an entire forest down because they got emotional 😒

[@Saphius-]

Personally I was like "GIRLS CALL THE FUCKING FIREFIGHTERS!!" Like Yup, totally okay to NOT call firefighter when you start a forest fire

[@shadywiskerz]

Chloe looking dumbfounded at her was the most human thing she did in this whole game.

[@Sorain1]

Honestly, that felt like a normal person watching someone displaying what looks like a supernatural power and being very worried about what this means to me.

[@Rikrobat]

It's so out of place given the writers tried to hard left turn into a "grounded, realistic" story (which it wasn't, but I digress). Rachel having some sort of power would have been an interesting element to pursue.

[@emma_nutella58]

Funny how Frank ends up being a character I like and sympathise with when he’s supposed to be someone you don’t like

[@-trinity-8059]

I like Frank too! Granted he had/could have douchy moments and I was surprised I came to like him near the end of LIS..I had to redo the Max,Chloe,and Frank interaction at the beach a few times cause I didn’t want him to get left hurt or killed.

[@calistusjay60]

No you're definitely supposed to like Frank.

[@TakumiTheHoshidianPrince]

@@calistusjay60 Yeah, especially since Frank saves you multiple times in Before the storm. Plus he have a soft spot for doggos, and even if I'm not the biggest dog lover, isn't it supposed to be number 1 reason of why a character may not be that bad ? xD

[@saedmax4656]

I don’t know if we should still like him tho. He was fuckin Rachel when she was 18 and Frank was 32. I know you’re an adult when you’re 18 but that’s still fuckin weird regardless.

[@StefanyDjuba]

Is he? I actually thought he was supposed to be one of the good guys and I thought they did a good job with him. Guess not

[@midgematic8659]

The story makes Rachael the Mary Sue of unconventional villains. Everyone bends over backwards for her and acts like she’s amazing and the story acts like shes a master manipulator, when she has the personality and wit pf soggy cardboard

[@DoratTheKiller]

To be honest that characterization for Rachel could still work if they rewrote Chloe's in the original and made her have trust issues instead of abandonment ones.

[@ArtwithariThechannelofart]

2:23 ok I can't hold it in anymore. The visuals are so beautiful. Your art, color schemes, editing, and stylistic choice makes this commentary even more enjoyable. ESPECIALLY the car crash scene

[@MrJ158n]

If I wanted to watch unstable teenagers with parent issues I'd rewatch Evangelion

[@poopityscoop839]

Shinji sacrificed the entire world into the hands of God and I still like him more than Rachel and Chloe. At least what he did was reversible and he learned his lesson.

[@poopityscoop839]

@THE NEWMAKER That’s why I said what he did was reversible...

[@bumibomber]

@THE NEWMAKER Also the earth is 70% soup

[@callowguru2611]

tbh the rushed relationship felt pretty much on point for high schoolers.

[@Shift_Salt]

Eh, even when I was in rushed relationships in High School we never pretended we were soul mates or Best Friends Forever.

[@blondebimbowannabe]

And all the cheating afterwards seemed pretty spot on too.

[@RanMouri82]

It should've done a Shakespeare and ended in their deaths--oh, wait, wrong game.

[@snowleopard9907]

Tbh all relationships in real life is kinda rushed regardless of people wanting to be "realistic" about romance

[@summerrose8110]

@@blondebimbowannabe Is it even cheating if both Rachel and Chloe were never a couple to begin with?

[@Kai_Cvffed]

although this was made 3 years ago i just want to mention that chloe dosent really just hate david purely because of what he says i think its alot to do with the loss of her dad and how she feels as if hes replacing her dad as someone who lost my dad at a young age when my mum started dating i hated him for no reason other then he wasnt my dad

[@samdrow8268]

I mean, Chloe doesn't seem to realize she hates David for no reason, even in the main game, and that's the problem. But then again, she never gets to know him grieving after he finds out Jefferson shot her (which is the clearest sign he cares) so I don't know what to make of that.

[@theholy1191]

I find that the people who fawn over this series and love it a lot really didn't pay attention past the very top of the surface, this just really proves that even further.

[@BBest1996]

Doesn’t that seem super gate keepy though because entertainment is subjective

[@aubreyh1930]

@@BBest1996 they’re not saying you have to get super deep to enjoy it, just that they’re full of shit when they say the game is something it’s not

[@omaanimations9059]

I personally don’t think the series is all that but I think the games got better overtime (ignoring this bullshit prequel)

[@NeODeLeuX]

​@Harmony It's an interactive movie that paints itself as giving you a say in how the story goes but then instead railroads you into their bland and badly written narrative full of plot holes, conflicting characterization and contrivances. At least other games that have a badly written story might have the benefit of having at least fun gameplay, here you don't even get that. People who enjoy this only do so because they threat it like a popcorn flick where you shut your brain off for 2 hours and just enjoy the ride, and that's totally fine, the problem arises when some of these people pretend that this game is actually well written and engaging when it's not.

[@louisaniathemagnificent8246]

@Harmony it’s not “overanalysing”. Video games, much like movies and books, have so much potential to not just be entertaining, but to tell meaningful and heartfelt stories. Video games are art, and while some people just enjoy art on a surface level others like to look at it objectively and tap into its potential. It’s something they’re passionate about and the effort put into something you’re passionate about is never wasted.

[@thesillyseal284]

Parents not biological=freakout? Bro, I'm adopted, my parents aren't even the same skin color as me

[@ILoveLLawlietxD]

I don't think you're the spokesperson for adopted people and how to deal with that lmao

[@LegioXXI]

@@ILoveLLawlietxD And you are?

[@PARADOXsquared]

I think it's the not knowing that causes the freakout. People who adopt are advised to discuss this with their kids at an age appropriate level as they grow up

[@MiniMight]

@@LegioXXI that was a stupid comeback. He's just saying that not everyone deals with it the same way

[@BeanSprouts02]

@@MiniMight I’m sorry but I have to agree with you even tho it’s kind of insulting for them.

[@wrathfulsaiyan9453]

Drawing Rachel is better than game Rachel. And she doesn't even say anything!

[@theunitedcommonwealth715]

Don't see it but still good especially the crying awww :,(

[@angelwolfdraws7964]

Now I have the urge to draw her. :/

[@sweeety969]

That's probably why she's better. It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than open it and remove all doubt. Edit: the same thing happened to Alison DiLaurentis in Pretty Little Liars. She was this larger-than-life bully whose death was one of the main mysteries on the show. Then they brought her back for fanservice and she not only sucked but she destroyed the whole show.

[@PilloTheStar]

"Huh? Victoria was being a dick." Better writing than the game.

[@summerrose8110]

@@sweeety969 Oh yeah, Alison DID NOT deserve a happy ending. Marlene King is a shit writer. And to make it worse, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is making the PLL remake and True Blood too. Those properties are doomed.

[@harry426]

34:42 That Rachel face... I just can't. XD

[@etho9752]

Holy shit, this theatre scene scoring is flawless. The flexible free form ride-heavy jazz using low-end toms and kick to emphasize important words, along with the ebb and flow of the music matching the points being made, all rising to a fever pitch as everything in the scene starts to collapse in on itself at the end? My god, it’s brilliantly done. I’m so impressed as a fellow musician

[@shinji2898]

As weird as it sounds, I really like how the art slowly degrades as the game goes on, reflecting on how the writing itself degrades in quality. Anyway, almost done with the video and it is pretty good. Also there’s a lot of persona music in this video lol

[@Dorumin]

He adds a lot of persona music in all of his videos I think lol, probably just games he likes. Noticed a lot more undertale tracks myself since I'm more familiar with it

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

He mentioned Yukari as a good flawed character too, he's a man of culture, he actually played the answer

[@Dorumin]

@ahmad malake okay lmao smh y u mad lel xd rawr owo

[@caramel9154]

@ahmad malake ngl saying 'cringe' makes me think of twelve year olds telling kids under five 'you can't play nintendo!! it's cringy and for babies!!!'

[@caramel9154]

@ahmad malake lol isn't stupid nor is it lying? it's just expressing laughter in text, you just don't like people using the word. Cringy is embarrassing, which lol isn't, which you're also saying

[@deadchanneldontwatch7347]

also Rachel's parents absence in the first game feels weird thanks to the prequel

[@POIUYTREWQ62]

The very definition of "Putting the cart before the horse".

[@-trinity-8059]

I thought the same too! I played LIS before BTS though..But when the parents were introduced in BTS,it made me wonder why they never appeared in LIS..Especially with a missing daughter.. Unless they moved away at some point? I didn’t really care about the parents but this made me wonder..Still,I don’t think anything is mentioned about Rachel’s parents during LIS.

[@Shift_Salt]

Why do I care about this dumb family drama when I know this character is going to die in the future? Oh right... I don't.

[@icravedeath.1200]

WITH THE ALMIGHTY POWER OF RETCONNING.

[@j-skullz]

It's so dumb, it's been a while since i played but I'm pretty sure there's a line of dialog you can get in the first game where Chloe makes it out like they don't really care that Rachel is missing. Like really? cos in the prequel it seems like they cared a whole bunch about Rachel, like that was literally the whole plot of the final episode. but ok. dumb writing

[@sneakaboo3486]

Rachel slowly becoming a breadstick is more development than the game ever gave her

[@casualmanticore2758]

Both games could be SO good if the writers were aware of how terrible both relationships (Max/Chloe and Chloe/Rachel) are I could see it as a great story about toxic relationships, how they effect the victim and that it's best to cut the toxic people off

[@johnjosephlyoko2295]

I honestly thought this game would be more about Rachel and Jefferson and those events not this

[@POIUYTREWQ62]

Would've been more interesting. Playing as Rachel as this cross between Chloe and Max while playing through a story similar the first one with the knowledge that Jefferson is the killer. Might have retconned the story a bit, but I would've liked to see Jefferson slowly morphing Rachel into what she is in this game.

[@BigRowles89]

I would have liked to actually SEE Jefferson in the game.

[@danberhe6949]

why does Chloe sound like a robot running on low power when she talks?

[@annabella1650]

I’m guessing the voice actress might’ve been coming down from a high.

[@metalgearzwei]

no Burch, no charm

[@zyala]

It was made during the VA strike of 2016-2017. Almost everyone who worked on the game was non-union and the director wanted someone who had a good voice, only to push them into doing an impression of the character rather than her own thing

[@wenbluepirate3954]

@@metalgearzwei she was too busy creating Keg the cool dwarf.

[@EBTIHAL.V10]

All of them sounds like that

[@OinglorBoinglor]

I love the detail of Chloe and Rachel's avatars slowly degrading over the course of the video until they just resemble horrible little goblin creatures .

[@extremegrieferjesus8897]

LMAO @ at the lady at 5:20 claiming Chloe is a relatable character. Yeah, who doesn't constantly berate and degrade their best friend, steal guns from their stepfather, go into debt with drug dealers and repeatedly bring themselves into situations that could lead to them getting shot or run over by a train?

[@extremegrieferbible]

Hello there.

[@summerrose8110]

@@extremegrieferbible That was Rhianna who voiced Chloe and she's a delusional idiot. She's was manipulated by Dontnod that Chloe is a good person. Chloe is a sociopath.

[@vaniillazilla]

maybe they related to chloe bc of the trauma she faced (i.e., losing her father and best friend). as much as chloe acts like a dick, i relate to her bc of her trauma and how she reacts to it. you gotta realize not every victim of trauma acts sheepish or childlike, sometimes they're emotionally closed off and brash and angry.

[@fakenayhn]

This could come as a surprise, but sometimes people are bad. Sometimes you can admit you are or were a bad person. Sometimes you can relate to a character without having done every single thing they have done. Hope this helps.

[@topcat59]

They really don’t feel like actual teenagers that’s going through any type of struggle in life.

[@DragoonBB]

It feels like the Writer's favorite T.V. channel was the lifetime network and all they watched were teen dramas and then made a game based on it.

[@kashregester3974]

Hi, im 15 and my life's kinda crazy, my dad cheated/beaten on and my mom my mom stayed with him. i knew about it and had to stay quiet, then they divorced after he almost died and now she has a new bf that has a wife and 2 kids n my closes friend moved away and the other one died and now i have all kinds of messes up trauma!😁 i should be a character in this game!

[@sks2899]

@@kashregester3974 how about Nobody cares?, And nobody should?, If you have problems the best person to solve them is you not anyone else ,also stop attention seeking , acting edgy wont get you anywhere , and it won't help you solve your problems , dont use self diagnosed mental issues as excuses for bad behaviour,if you have actual mental issues find a way to deal with them or reduce their effect on you and your behaviour , find a hobby or somethin , and learn how to cope with your problems and solve them instead of denying them that's it have a good day idc if you respond or not

[@QueenSydon]

@@sks2899 You sound just like Chloe; absolutely no compassion or self-awareness. Weak ego propped up by edgy barbs against people who can't retaliate.

[@sks2899]

@@QueenSydon yeah kinda got to far with That response But my point is still , using edgy bullshit to get sympathy and bullshit , is pathetic and is sign of victim mentality , whichs bad for your own mental health

[@callumg3330]

Before the storm was just painful, at least the original had some charm

[@idkfml6175]

The most painful is , that game only have 3 ep...like wtf?that not hella enough?!

[@Gooberwares]

Rachel is the worst and this game tries to be inclusive too when it spits in the mouth of actual caring non traditional family

[@kakashi6957]

@@Gooberwares for real

[@mintyisgaelol]

At least lis 2 was decent so

[@ladyheavdev]

Thank you im not the only one. And i pretend life is strage 2 doesnt exist

[@amorodium5638]

The funny thing is Chloe acts and looks like my ex girlfriend who I was in a toxic relationship with

[@summerrose8110]

I'm sorry.

[@madelinef2486]

Quit your fake sympathies because in numerous other comments you show your sadistic side and how u r clearly way worse than chloe ever was in the game

[@Utonian21]

@@madelinef2486 wtf? lmao

[@madelinef2486]

@@Utonian21 i was talking about summer rose

[@ungabungus01]

It's the hair

[@Matt-zu2lu]

9:43 “Twenty bucks! That robbery.” Actually no, because you see bands don’t make a lot of money off of their music, especially small bands (not to mention that they have to split what all they make) so that why a lot of band shirts range from 15-25 dollars for a short sleeve instead of being 5 dollars like a normal shirt

[@summerrose8110]

I was irritated at that stupidity and Max did the same thing when she snooped Victoria's trash and saw the receipt of the her dry cleaning. It was $30 and Max says,"That's alot of bank to clean paint off a sweater." WHAT?!

[@allypatterson2625]

“That’s robbery!” A few games later….. *encourages max to steal money from the handicap fund*

[@summerrose8110]

@@allypatterson2625 Coerce, but yes.

[@sahilarora558]

@@summerrose8110this game is set in 2010-2013, things were cheaper

[@MissShanti02]

I’m sorry but I couldn’t help but laugh at the part where Rachel started the fire while screaming and Chloe was just like: O-O.....

[@Shift_Salt]

The only moment I've ever identified with Chloe.

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

Wait so Frank the drug dealer who was treated like a complete joke in the first game is the type of person to put their life on the line to stop a hired hit

[@ehtlamzone2525]

Yeah i don't understand why he is so different in the first game,

[@CT_Phipps]

@@ehtlamzone2525 Frank isn't even that different. Its just everything is filtered through Chloe and Chloe hates Frank for sleeping with Rachel.

[@ehtlamzone2525]

@@CT_Phipps But Chloe did not know that Frank slept with Rachel when they met in the first game. Franks writing just did not make sense in the second game.

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

TheAnonymousGuy The saddest death in this game was the beans 😔 🥫

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

Ehtlam zone I’m thinking it’s Rachel influence that made him nicer? Maybe her disappearance affected the way he acted. I don’t know, I’m just a nerd who likes art and games

[@sunsetskye483]

It would be very interesting if this game has started in the middle of Chloe’s arc from innocent to edgy, when she’s trying so hard to be rebellious but still has morals. Then, she meets Rachel, and the two bring out the worst in each other. Rachel corrupts her, and Chloe is the perfect enabler. It’d be a horribly toxic relationship, and Chloe would fall further and further, until she starts to realize this isn’t right and this causes tensions with her and Rachel. Then, in the first game, we meet chloe when she’s in a difficult position. Chloe is struggling to be a better person, but she can’t go back to the way she was before Rachel, because she’s changed. But she’s trying to be better. Enter Max, and we get a parallel between the two relationships, where they bring out the best in each other, along with trying to adjust to their new relationship. It’d make Chloe more likable but still flawed, and a good parallel.

[@StormDatIsApproaching]

Anyone who destroys nature cause they're angry is a garbage human being with no redeemable qualities in my book. The ghost of Teddy Roosevelt should've risen and smacked Rachel into oblivion

[@youknowhoo3]

That, or they were simply angry, and weren't thinking straight. 🤷‍♀️

[@goose7215]

@@youknowhoo3 but chloe? Like girl why the fuck are you just standing like a gaping fish?

[@candylide]

@@youknowhoo3 That doesn't make it any better

[@youknowhoo3]

@@candylide Yeah, it doesn't. But it at least provides a reason

[@candylide]

@@youknowhoo3 That isn't a reason, that's being dumb

[@timdoyle3436]

"The stars are dead" sounds like something an insane Lovecraftian cultist would scream.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

It really does. 😂

[@RanMouri82]

Or a character in Dark Souls. "Rachel, let's hella link the fire."

[@summerrose8110]

That "stars are dead" crap shows me how dumb Deck9 are.

[@Legomicroman]

nah, the cultist would beat the shit out of her for that, for insulting something ancient.

[@judaihyuga]

@@summerrose8110 I mean this entire prequel is literally just fanfiction with a budget so I think that says plenty...not even half-decent fanfiction. This is fanfiction written by a 12 year old with no romantic experience and gained any knowledge on the subject by watching crappy tween dramas that couldn't even get a second season or died halfway through the first.

[@raemalone5684]

As someone who also really dislikes Chloe, I wish I could make other people understand the relationship between Chloe and David. I had similarly lost my father when I was 15, only for my mother to quickly marry someone who is VERY similar to David. This relationship is my favorite part of the game, but I feel like Chloes awful characterization ruins this incredibly nuanced dynamic. There is a genuinely interesting story here: the hatred/resentment you hold for the replacement of a loved one, your home dynamic completely changes and you can feel like you lose all your safe spaces. Not only is your dad gone, in his place is someone that you not only dislike, but also fundamentally disagree with. He has flaws, but so do you, and one of those flaws is that you hold a grudge. In my case, my mother lied to me about dating him for months, adding something like this would add more to why chloe feels this way. Instead, for people who haven't been in this situation, the relationship feels misplaced, because David is trying to be kind. I feel like properly exploring this would have been so good and valuable, showing the complicated feelings when you hate what someone represents and how they changed your family and your life, but they are trying to be kind to you. THIS is complicated, THIS is drama, and I'm so pissed that this situation that I find so deeply relatable was ruined by chloe being the fucking worst

[@CherokeeRoses]

Thats such a good point. I'm so sorry about your dad and that you have been missing him since such a young age. I lost my dad this year at 26 yrs old and even though LiS got me bawling my eyes out during that scene in which Chloe smashes up the car that killed her dad, I hated her for the way she treated David. David came across as a flawed but good person who just tried to reach out. There simply wasn't enough nuance and therefore, to me, the true feeling of betrayal and replacement didn't come across. Thats why I got really annoyed with Chloe's behavior instead of understanding her, even though I lost my father myself. They could have done so much more with it to make their relationship far more real and with that, more complex and raw.

[@LoveRegi00]

Yeah...I had a problem with Joyce because she just moved him in without considering Chloe or allow them to familiarize themselves first. I'm not saying she shouldn't be allowed to move on or be happy, but there is a lack of communication between them. So yeah, I sympathized with Chloe for precisely the reason you explained. I also agree that Chloe's behavior makes the complex situation lose impact, though.

[@summerrose8110]

@@LoveRegi00 Joyce has tried everything she could to help Chloe, but Chloe is a prick to her mother. Joyce needed help, she didn't know what to do with Chloe anymore. I would put Chloe in military school.

[@LoveRegi00]

@@summerrose8110 If only they could afford family counseling. lol

[@summerrose8110]

@@LoveRegi00 No excuse.

[@littlemrsmods7998]

The feeling captured by Max, and us as the player by extension, being the only person to not know Rachel was amazing. It was alienating and felt like Max (and us) was on the outside, never getting to meet this girl that everyone else around us seem to know so well, this great atmosphere and mystery was created by keeping Rachel a non-character presence by not showing back flashes or anything and just knowing her by what we’re told. Max never got to meet Rachel, we as the players never got to meet Rachel. Before the storm completely ruined that.

[@greggoshep]

I wish we got to see Rachel as someone who would remark “I didn’t lie to you, I just didn’t tell you,” as justification for her actions if Chole had even one vertebrae for her backbone against anything Rachel did, and I wish we could have seen Chloe to grow from Max’s true best friend to someone who can’t trust people cuz her former lover betrayed her so badly.

[@Shift_Salt]

Basically "I wish they'd actually done something good with these characters." and not just write a couple of shallow love stories. But no, we can't ever question the integrity of our main characters because they're in wuuuv.

[@greggoshep]

@@Shift_Salt Exactly. Lol

[@summerrose8110]

@@Shift_Salt This thought that people think women can't be abusive to their partners needs to stop. Stop covering for female abusers.

[@mikaelmyers6135]

@@summerrose8110 bro why are you all in this comment section spouting weird unrelated bullshit about women

[@slippie5585]

why does rachel sound like an oblivion npc

[@dartoney]

Considering the animation quality she might as well be one.

[@bigboybastard7162]

I thought that too XD. It reminded me of an oblivion npc youd hear on the side.

[@anonymousapproximation8549]

@@bigboybastard7162 five second pauses between lines it feels like. Some *"Halt, in the name of the law!"* vibes.

[@bigboybastard7162]

​@@anonymousapproximation8549 I know, or the random conversations that npcs will have that sound like two terminators trying to act human

[@primrosett]

A lot of the preformances are pretty bad.

[@Windsguidance]

The whole LiS francise is filled with "woe is me" characters. It's a contest on who has a worse life

[@s3studios597]

Kinda random and unrelated, but I feel like naruto is basically that too to some extent.

[@viv7810]

@@s3studios597 Naruto or Naruto Shippuden? Kishimoto didn't fair well with the characterizations and now that I think about it, he just rinsed and repeated what gave his characters 'motives'.

[@s3studios597]

@@viv7810 The entire series, though it gets worse in shippuden. Nardo as a character and series is the relatable to the worst kinda of 2000s kids,

[@bigboytruck1754]

@@s3studios597 n a r d o

[@s3studios597]

@@bigboytruck1754 What the problem is?

[@pearline4684]

I would like to point out that it‘s also weird that Rachel‘s relationship with two grown men as a minor is portrayed as „equal“ and that the only bad thing about those situation is that she „cheated on Chloe“ meanwhile she was groomed.

[@scorpiolady1995]

Thank you for bringing up Victoria's incident. I was so confused when the game just glossed over something that's really bad. Especially knowing that you don't need to be of high morals to know that's wrong!

[@EgeBoyOnYouTube]

Yeah that's cool, but where's "Terry Hintz: The Best Best Friend"??

[@hugozuniga9089]

facts

[@fhantum6519]

Yes, Terry is the best best friend we need, but don’t deserve.

[@SHRUQq]

This is so true

[@biker_buckets3629]

Same man where is it?

[@343flyingbulb4]

Yeah, but where is Revan the worst best worst mentor and friend?

[@kingofthemoon3063]

“HELLA BFFs” had me in stitches, holy shit

[@Shift_Salt]

Rachel's face right after hit me like a truck.

[@Homodemon]

**Rachel later banged a bunch of dudes behind Chloe's back** That last face sent me

[@KazzStarK]

I sorta felt hurt when you said this was "Fanfiction level of writing". As someone who writes and reads fanfiction almost everyday in their spare time (even some from this game's franchise), I have to say that it's much better than what ever this is. I've even seen I think two fanfics for this game that legit do a better job at telling Chloe's past and how it could've been played out better than what the game showed. Not to be rude or brag or anything like that, but honestly I think I could've wrote out something that would've been better than this which is honestly sad. When they said that the fans wrote this out, I couldn't believe it because I'm pretty sure no one that liked the game or not would've wanted something like this.

[@RanMouri82]

It's just unfortunate that there's far more badfic than legit, good fanfiction.

[@TheRealBlazingDiamond]

When people talk about fanfiction, they normally mean stories made by inexperienced fans that don't know how to write a story and that probably insert some sort of element that satisfies themselves, the author. There can definitely be good fanfictions, but they're generally bad.

[@protoprime4213]

What are those fics?

[@chromulus2225]

Fabric has a bad rep because of how easy it is to publish. There's a saying that 90% of everything is crap but most things like movies or published books get shot down by editors so less bad works come out. Fabric however can be published without checks of quality. So a good amount of bad writing is actually seen by the public.

[@cekodokdurian]

Wait, now im interested about the fanfic youve mention that explore chloes background. Where can i read it?

[@catherinecao4810]

I wished it went like this: Everything stays the same, except for some changes... After the concert, Chloe and Rachel don’t spend time together after their fight. Chloe tries to approach Rachel, but she ends up being brushed off. Then, out of nowhere, Rachel shows up and tries to spend with Chloe. Chloe is hesitant, but Rachel plays the victim, guilt tripping Chloe until she gives in. They start building their relationship again, and Rachel talks about leaving Arcadia Bay. Chloe is hesitant, she still loves her mom, but then Rachel talks about broken families that don’t care about your needs. Chloe is hooked, and Rachel sees it. She goes on with the “broken family” talk, convincing Chloe to listen to her. After another concert and skipping school, Rachel is about to get caught for something, either stealing or vandalism, and Chloe has the choice to take the blame or tell the truth. If Chloe takes the blame, she gets expelled. She’s upset and confronts Rachel, but Rachel plays it off as a joke. If Chloe doesn’t take the blame, Rachel guilt trips Chloe into another crime and drug trip. Due to Rachel’s behavior, she is kicked out of the school play. She drugs Victoria and one of the students calls the police. Chloe wants to stay and help, but Rachel pulls her away. Then they have a fight about it, and Rachel pulls “if you knew me, you would understand” and “I can just leave you, you’re nothing without me.” Chloe falls for it. They’re investigated, but Rachel’s dad pulls them out of trouble. Rachel convinces Chloe to get high with her, but she’s bothered by the fact that they’re always doing what Rachel wants, not what she wants. Rachel guilt trips and convinces her that she knows what Chloe wants. Chloe falls for it. Rather than James trying to kill Sera, Damon goes after Sera for an old debt and tries to figure out how she, Rachel and James are connected. After Elliot, Chloe thinks about the possibility of Rachel being a bad person, and goes to confront her. But when she sees Rachel, sick and weak on the bed, she feels pity for her. Rachel picks up on this and you can see it on her face for a second before she plays at being in pain. Chloe falls for it and decided to stay with her, even if it’ll all go down to shit.

[@raqibahbatrisyia8109]

Wow.. I think this storytelling is much better

[@vilmavenla]

wow,it really plays on the Rachel being manipulative and convincing.

[@Rachel.DawnAmber]

This is purely making Rachel manipulative, and Chloe wouldn't be dumb enough call Rachel an angel / love her that much in LiS 1

[@heroicsplendid]

18 year old edgy me loved Chloe, now 22 year old me hated Chloe. But still had a crush on Max for some reason.

[@zoipapadaki3320]

Same

[@Itariatan]

Dude, it's the same for me lol. I felt bad for Chloe when the game first came out. Now I just see her as an edgy little shit, and also have a crush on Max. Btw, why does Rachel look so unsettling.

[@littlesparrow303]

Same lol 😂

[@zoipapadaki3320]

@@Itariatan I think because Max is a cute,good looking cinnamom roll aka best girl while Rachel is just as good looking (even tho everbody in the game said she looked like a model) and has an awful personality and is a manipulator and cheater aka that one mean bich in every school lmao

[@Itariatan]

@@zoipapadaki3320 Idk, I don't like Rachel's model, but Max is definitely too pure for this world.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

I was expecting Rachel to lie to her about Jefferson and the drug dealer , to justify it by saying she only flirts with them for good grades and drugs, like how cheaters tell the person they are cheating with that they love them more despite not breaking up with the other person out of selfish reasons, to have a character bring it up far too late for chole to listen

[@foxial5358]

The main problem of BtS is that while playing LiS, you get this sense that Rachel is a charismatic, talented and enchanting person facing something dark that has her desperate to leave Arcadia Bay. But she lacks money and resources to do so by herself and she can't just normally wait for graduation for some reason, so she tries to leave with multiple people separately. Rachel’s behavior in LiS, the little we know about it, doesn't make any sense unless she’s being abused. Why else would she try to get a ride from random truckers (it's kinda unsettling how the trucker calls Rachel "a golddigger")? Dontnod absolutely intended this interpretation, because Rachel was based on Laura Palmer who was also groomed, abused and murdered, and the plot of LiS is about people’s refusal to see abuse. But BtS retcons Rachel into this privileged golden girl who comes from one of the wealthiest and influential families of the town. Meaning that even if she had bad relationship with her parents, she should have had better resources and connections to get out of Arcadia Bay rather than trying her luck with random truckers and drug dealers. The story also makes everything easy for her: instead of having to actually experience problems with her family, we see her only hearing about them from someone else afterwards. She only has to suspect that her father is cheating. She only gets to hear that her mother is a destructive drug addict. She only hears that her father tried to kill her mother. But she never has to actually see or experience any of those things. If Rachel actually had to life with her drug addicted mother and cheating father, and witness the dysfunctional relationship between her parents while having to uphold a perfect public persona in spite of her chaotic home live, it would have felt more connected to how Rachel´s character was written in LiS. But I guess that kind of storyline was simply too dark for a game that was meant to be first and foremost fanservice, so the devs had to take the easy route.

[@Meashayshay2]

I think Chloe was just using Rachel as a Max substitute tbh, which is why she accepted all manipulation and toxicity from Rachel. I don't think she was actually even attracted to her/friendship etc despite what happens in the game. It's all an illusion/distraction for Chloe based on what she's experienced. Sounds like she took the role of Max, like how Max takes abuse from Chloe in the first game. So escapism like you mentioned, for both Rachel and Chloe. The worst of the two being Rachel. I had to stop playing this one after the first ep, and seeing this makes me glad I did. I would get beyond frustrated if I had to play through the rest of the eps.

[@madelinef2486]

I think Before the STorm paints a much better version of Chloe because you get to see a slow decline into becoming more bitter and how Rachel amplified Chloes weak points she knew she had to serve herself. Im sad that people do not genuinely take the time to understand Chloe. She had bad behavior after a lot of years of unresolved pain but she was not a villain or a bad person. She was once a lot like Max but had a steady decline. Sure ppl are responsible for their own actions but max had a heavy hand in hurting Chloe and what ultimately came from it. Its not about making excuses for Chloe but its the truth

[@Im_niaxx]

Rachel even told Chloe that they were just friends and how she didn’t feel the same way and honestly Chloe did use Max in the visit game for her powers

[@madelinef2486]

@@Im_niaxx Rachel shoved her tongue down Chloes throat in my game, so im not sure where the just friend part fits in.

[@nabilllaauria9944]

Sorry late but, same I stop in first eps only. What make me stop was when rachel into fight when they dinner. Ohh god.... What? I know you upset but they love you so what matter? Rachel can tell her parent 4 eyes without chloe presence it was so-unmatured thing.

[@MacheTheFerret]

why do the animations in both games look straight out of guitar hero lmao

[@FalconPUNCHXXX]

I say that lolll

[@Shift_Salt]

That's just insulting, Guitar Hero had a lot of talented people with real passion working on it! >:(

[@MacheTheFerret]

@@Shift_Salt you are absolutely right, apologies guitar hero's animations are far better lmao

[@Shift_Salt]

@@MacheTheFerret thank you. ^^

[@fatalbert2055]

Guitar Hero has a better story to be honest.

[@13wailingfrogs95]

I... I never realized how bad Rachel's VA was..

[@summerrose8110]

Yeah. I tried to be nice, but she sucked.

[@beigeocean5665]

She sounds like female Keanu Reeves to me lol

[@crim1188]

@@beigeocean5665 at least keanu looks cool

[@Utonian21]

I love her voice tho

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

If you didn't realize it, it probably wasn't that bad and you're being influenced by what you're watching

[@Niko-qq2vr]

One litlle thing you forgot to mention was, Victoria existence in this prequel. In the first life is strange it's stated that Victoria is in blackwell because of Mr Jefferson......but we don't see Jefferson, anywhere the entire game

[@foxial5358]

Jefferson wasn´t a teacher yet, so Victoria´s presence in the prequel is one of the reasons why I consider BtS to be just licensed fanfiction: they made Victoria to be in this game just because she is one of the main characters that fans could remember from the first game. Would´ve been better to actually let us see when Victoria moves to Arcadia Bay, and why she and Rachel didn´t get along (they could have even made it to be something more interesting than just cliche rivalry between two popular girls). It is also ridiculous that when you find the class photo in Chloe's room, every single person in Chloe´'s class just happens to be a character that we meet in LiS (Taylor, Warren, Hayden, Zachary, Dana, Brooke, Alyssa etc.) as if they all are locals or if they all just happened to move to Arcadia Bay that year. It just seems unlikely. Warren didn´t even know who Chloe was when he met her in LiS.

[@Niko-qq2vr]

@@foxial5358 lol i know right? This game has so many weird flaws that make it unlikable. To be honest, i don't even know if we really needed to see a prequel in this franchise, i know its a good concept, but this concept needs to be good in action rather then words.

[@foxial5358]

@@Niko-qq2vr True. It´s funny how the outline at 4:13 is like seeing a glimpse of the story what this prequel should have been. It makes more sense in the context of all the info we got during LiS and all the potential for a good story was there. Weird how the writers didn´t capitalize on this. This type of storyline, while it is much more mature than the one we got, doesn´t even mean that they should exclude fanservice if they really wanted add it to the game.

[@dustymuffincop2481]

My guess is that they wanted a minor antagonist so they picked a character people knew instead of inventing a new one.

[@hadsyjiama2758]

Rachel's not really good at reading people, at lest it's not what's been established by two truths and a lie game. Chloe was rather badly lying, as Rachel happen to know one clue exposing her lie (picture of a cat), and other two found out empirically by examining her hands.

[@summerrose8110]

Also the way Rachel justifies stalking in Chloe's locker is cringe.

[@vilmavenla]

​@@summerrose8110 the whole game is

[@Rachel.DawnAmber]

​@@summerrose8110 she wasn't even trying to justify though? What if it's an attempt to flirt? Or just that she has great observation skills

[@Rachel.DawnAmber]

it shows her observation skills

[@nodishtoodeep3053]

I knew a “Chloe” (same name and personality) in real life and she was just awful. I was having flashbacks the entire time playing the game. Didn’t even hesitate to choose Arcadia bay

[@nodishtoodeep3053]

@Summer Rose Oh yeah, she’s long gone. Think she’s in prison now actually.

[@mrkrabs5039]

same here except her name wasn't chloe, my actual best friend is named Chloe and she's quite possibly the loveliest person I've ever met

[@mrkrabs5039]

@Summer Rose thank you, you too :)

[@summerrose8110]

@@nodishtoodeep3053 Good.

[@summerrose8110]

@@mrkrabs5039 ✌

[@smurfdadlol9135]

"I'm not like the other girls" while being like the other girls: the game Also, nice persona music

[@005AJ]

Someone: I'm not like the other girls Other girls: Same.

[@stingerjohnny9951]

@@005AJ *looks at the 20 Harley Quinn cosplayers all together at any given Comic-Con* yeah that checks out.

[@sirenuls]

My expectations of Rachel were low from the beginning, but drugging Victoria? Holy fuck.