Communist Professor Defends Stalin & Mao’s Legacy - Heated Debate

Patrick Bet-David sits down with professor Asatar Bair, a self-described communist. In this interview they talk about Communism vs Capitalism, how he grew up and his political views. Let Dr. Bair know your thoughts on the interview here: bit.ly/3mtBxoy
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Asatar Bair is a professor of economics and statistics at the City College of San Francisco. His research interests include the economics of crime and punishment, class theory, monetary economics, international trade, and economic philosophy and methodology.
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[@VALUETAINMENT]

Thoughts on his views?

[@user-fb5mp4tb7s]

Rubbish

[@ihavetubes]

Send him to china.

[@trashpanda2875]

He needs to go to Cuba or Venezuela

[@agesflow6815]

I’m a quarter through the interview. I wonder if he’ll mention the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Doubtful. Also, he didn’t want you to look up his income during interview.

[@mediatool9596]

He shouldn't be allowed near young minds that's for sure

[@tjcogger1974]

I can't believe that Patrick got an interview with Karl Marx himself.

[@monyetdeb3025]

Karl Marx wasn't communist -

[@darkshinob]

Karl Marx is how far right he is willing to go

[@boulkassoumharounadankasso5254]

@Thomas feel you bru 😂😂

[@jrhunter6669]

@@darkshinob smh

[@kennyhalperin5302]

That was good

[@empoly]

As a former USSR citizen, I’m ready to buy him a one way ticket to : Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea…to complete his Marxism research and gain his social life experience.

[@alextaylor8776]

Yeah you won’t see him going anywhere near those countries.

[@NJIT22]

I will add couple dollars on coffee and sandwich

[@jerrybesch8532]

It's easy to be a communist in a free state It's impossible to be free in a communist state

[@user-qo3yy9nv1u]

Former Soviet here too. I agree.

[@LifeofPani]

😝we all in chip in for that social experience 🤣

[@jairogiraldo6270]

This program goes to show you how fair Patrick is. To give this guy a platform like his is very fair. It also goes to show how Patrick is extremely secure on his point of view. Very different from what we are seeing from everyone else and their “cancel culture” nonsense. Everyone should be able to express their opinions and beliefs without being afraid or intimidated of being canceled. Great Job Patrick 👏👏👏

[@eternaldrunk]

what views? he's just a bourgeois libdog, regurgitating his owner's propaganda.

[@coda3208]

He’s the best political interviewer out there. By far. Not even close. He really allows the subject to speak without interruption & without letting his biases shut down the exchange. So valuable.

[@waltonsmith7210]

Theres no such a thing as cancel culture.

[@starlingballet6082]

UNIVERSALIST? UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST ??¿ THE "MOONIES" BY CHANCE???¿ DEAR GOD, I HOPE NOT THEY'RE A CULT AND THIEVES. THEY PREY ON COLLEGE STUDENTS!!?

[@eiavops4576]

He should interview a national socialist next.

[@user-bu6iz2jk2l]

This is how an interview/debate should be conducted.

[@lordoctus]

I love how Patrick never cuts the professor off, and he does the same. They're both respectful of each other, and these are the types of debates I wanna see!

[@carlc.4761]

PERIOD point BLANK

[@FGuilt]

I agree and it's a welcome breath of fresh air on the internet of A holes

[@chickbowdrie4750]

Even though the professor used only emotional points and opinions to argue his side, which to me means he doesn't know what he's talking a out, it still is nice to cordially debate counter perspectives

[@GlobusTheGreat]

@@chickbowdrie4750 I genuinely think you are only saying that because you don't agree with him. He claims that the economy / standard of living rose rapidly under Stalin, in the first several minutes. Is that an "emotional point" or opinion? It's something you could look up if you cared enough, and therefore based in fact.

[@chickbowdrie4750]

@@GlobusTheGreat He gave absolutely no references or specific measurements which means it's just his opinion rather than facts. So no, i don't just disagree with him, he's just wrong is all. And it's sad how when Patrick brought up Stalin killing millions of his own people, the professor said he was steering away from the conversation. Well, his argument sure holds a lot more ground when we COMPLETELY IGNORE the utter atrocious genocide he unleashed on his own people. Putting that aside, and the fact that communism always crumbles, then the professor has some good points. 🙄

[@AberrantArt]

That says a lot. Patrick asks: "would you rather live in a communist or a capitalist country?" Response: "I don't like this question."

[@ihavetubes]

If you get to choose your under a capitalist country.

[@absaw5735]

@@ihavetubes sadly, not necessarily.

[@donaldtrump9626]

@@absaw5735 under every comment trying to shut down others opinions without producing any backup to your arguments. Explain

[@djgroopz4952]

@@ihavetubes 🤣😆 So true

[@felipeoliveira2219]

end of story here

[@ruggiero541]

This professor should have a nice sitdown with Thomas Sowell. Sowell used to be a Marxist too, until he learned about a little known thing this day in age.....FACTS.

[@DougJacobson2]

"What does capitalism do? It concentrates power in a few hands." Yet in both of the major communist regimes, power was *extremely* concentrated, IE the "dictatorship of the proletariat per lenin, and obviously Mao. Another thing I found interesting about this interview at the beginning was the professor studied economics but didn't understand it, and instead drifted towards communism because he wanted a "why". This to me tells me he was looking more for a religious belief on the subject matter than trying to delve into how things work ( milton friedmans books are complicated for sure). I think that is one of the key aspects as to why this ideology is so seductive. And he's not wrong that wealth accumulates in a few hands, but this is true regardless of the system in place. It happens in the US, and it CERTAINLY happened in Stalin's Russia.

[@Sdc2380]

The fact that he’s never traveled and experienced any of these countries he admires so much, says all you need to know. While living free here in America. 😅

[@ChrisAthanas]

Yeah the proof is where he chooses to work and live What a hypocrite

[@chriscangelosi9438]

he makes very good money, in a communist society his pay would be supposedly evenly distributed among people that work as hard as him and people that don't work at all.. so where is this freedom of time he speaks of..he would get no where near the amount of money he would be getting today..

[@ChrisAthanas]

@@chriscangelosi9438 delusional professor in a coddled environment He wouldn’t last a day in a communist country

[@Dylan-yg4hg]

this is the reality, he is the problem. He was brainwashed by someone just like him, who only acknowledges the concept of communism, but never the actual outcomes of it. That's because in practice every time its been tried the same things happen, mass death, communism is responsible for millions upon millions of deaths, and of their own people none the less. You see they like the idea of communism while living under the freedom and opportunity afforded by capitalism and they REFUSE vehemently to go to any actual communist country because they know their world view would be shattered. Which just like you saw in the interview, he's so jaded he cant acknowledge the provable negatives he has to pad it with the "pro's" and then try to lie to cover up the negatives. this guy is a joke, some guy who's lived nothing but a privileged life went to university probably never worked a blue collar job in his life, all afforded to him by capitalism. Then says he's speaking for people like me "the working class" but most working class Americans also have no issue with capitalism. They're so disconnected, and so convinced they know better as to what's good for the working class, better than some commoner could ever know, because we don't know what's good for ourselves we need some guy like him to decide for us. This is pure delusion, and its mind numbingly dumb.

[@pyramidion421]

The quote from Elon Musk comes to mind -“I hate when people confuse education with intelligence. You can have a bachelor’s degree and still be an idiot.”

[@blakemcleroy4812]

Patrick had him at the two minute mark!!! saying “your competitive nature is a capitalistic virtue”

[@jjohn408]

Lol

[@ianmcdonald3053]

Yeah he felt it, u seen him tick at that comment lol

[@OlliGarch]

@@ianmcdonald3053crazy thing is, being a professor he is making money off of others. Isn’t that being a capitalist??? 🤔🤔🤔

[@TheAVConspiracy]

You can be a self proclaimed communist professor in a capitalist society, but it doesn't work the other way around.

[@jjohn408]

@@TheAVConspiracy plenty of capitalists in China

[@FranciscoLopez-re7yf]

I love how PBD is always so fair and allows him to make his point. The part Dr. Asatar lost some credibility for me was when he began to say how Stalin building hospitals was a net positive despite him killing MILLIONS of Russians, but earlier in the interview he claimed if 10 people were crossing a river and only 9 would live, it was brutal/unfair. Having a hard time understanding the thought process there.

[@stevegraham2535]

He does not have a thought process

[@MJAce85]

There isn't one. And I've noticed, that usually but not always, men his age with long hair are assholes, and I've noticed THAT ALWAYS, grown men with pro communist tendencies AND long hair are assholes. He answered a question about Stalin murdering millions by saying, don't deflect

[@jacobwaddell6075]

Awesome conversation and what a nice guy I will add. Love this podcast!

[@snowball6538]

“Would you rather live in a capitalist country or a communist country?” “I don’t like this question”.

[@godbyone]

Why does nt he go to China ??

[@pyrefly7575]

Do u not see how this question is very, very stupid?

[@ComradeDrake]

​@@godbyoneergo decedo fallacy. You've got a shitty argument.

[@nastypiglosi1788]

North Korea

[@aldousorwell3807]

​@@ultravistasgIn what regard?...

[@everettsmith9434]

As a retired USAF Disabled Veteran that was the most amazing interview I have ever heard. I have never remarked on anything before. But comparing Biden to Reagan is a mind blower. Carter President when I entered the Air Force. I made less than I made at a restaurant. When I entered the Air Force. Thank God for President Reagan who who increased our wages significantly. I still don't make much but I do make enough to own a home. And I have a decent car to drive. Thank you, Patrick, for bringing him on your show. To show how lucky we are to be Americans. And how lucky you are to be here, too. Suggestion for show a senator or Congressman like Lindsey Graham. Who thinks we should be spending our tax dollars to support Ukraine government. And not taking care of our own Borders and government.

[@jamesbuckley972]

You watched it and literally took nothing in.

[@Adoubletrippletap]

@@jamesbuckley972you literally read his comment and discounted everything he appreciated about this conversation. Probably wouldn’t throw stones if I were you.

[@AbstractMediums]

You are right. Lindsey Graham is a disgrace to the republican party and a traitor. Same with Mitch McConnell. These frauds are the reason Republicans team up against Trump. Because he calls out all the establishment traitors.

[@archstanton4365]

​@@jamesbuckley972 Wow. You must be a child.

[@superchuck3259]

Wonder if the Ukrainian soldiers make more than US soldiers? I mean, I get the danger, but curious if the US cash is going straight to those overseas peoples.

[@yuliad6423]

Great interview. In the end of the day, it is not about choosing NOW if we want to live in Soviet Union or United States. It's about understanding what works well in both systems and adapting the pros to current reality, and to build a better future.

[@genossewurzelkobold3141]

In this comment section, there is barely any discussion of what dr.Bair actually said.

[@michaelmappin1830]

Are you surprised? What do you expect from that type of audience?

[@umbreonstop-motion5780]

@@michaelmappin1830 Yeah, that’s fair actually

[@juehju]

And? They can't come up with an actual logical argument, because there is none. Only: "Live in a communist country bro" lmao

[@Hangs4Fun]

I heard him say "right" after almost every sentence. Does that count

[@zac3392]

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals will believe them...”

[@ryanarmasu4162]

Never truer words have been spoken!

[@fmt7722]

Absolutely correct!

[@rubenroyer9488]

Most intellectuals are absent of common sense.

[@shaynakfcmyhill]

He is what you would call in the USSR a “useful idiot”

[@ThaKodiakkiller]

An intellectual is someone who's produces ideas. Nobody said they had to be good ideas. Just like a chef can make good or bad meals, intellectuals can produce good and bad ideas.

[@nbarealtalker]

“He killed millions of people.” “Let’s not deflect…” That had me lol’n.

[@countryboy2368]

Communism with a smile is still communism.

[@SamsungA-fo8rg]

​@@countryboy2368anything communism offers comes in the most beautiful package, packaged by the highest level of skillfull packagers. The problem is that every time you open one of these packages, there is ALWAYS a turd in it.

[@zloyboy8]

Being honest, the exact same thing is happening in the world today. But not my communism

[@javiervasquez29]

​@zloyboy8 communist won't fix will make that 20 times worse otlr more.

[@randal3122]

​@@zloyboy8not due to capitalism

[@nerdy_dav]

Props to both gentlemen here. Beautiful debate. A lot of respect. A lot of facts from both sides. A genuine exchange of ideas. Agreement no necessary in either side. But mutual respect.

[@williamfouques8238]

One of the greatest podcasts I've ever watched, old mate Patrick has some amazing interviews and this one's really telling the good and the bad for either, love it bruh ❤

[@MisterMpp]

That guy is insane and a scammer

[@peterfreeman3317]

Conversations like this can only happen on a Podcast, not screaming at each other on Fox or MSNBC. Two adults showing each other respect, and respect for each position even though they were worlds apart. Great interview.

[@xeverettx2564]

No, I’m sure PBD can not respect this guy as a man. Was he civil to him...yes, but that’s it. You can’t actually respect some one with such radical views and believes in a death cult like Marxism/Lenninism-Stalinism.

[@RediTtora-sx1hb]

Do don't don't bring foxes in this, at least they bring people on than you can say about CNN where they don't bring anyone have a different opinion

[@jenobene710]

Because the USA has an Authrocyc system with the 2 party system!!!! They are both serving the system! Corporate Fashizum

[@mog4993]

As much as I would like to agree no communist ever was ever an adult.

[@douglasepp]

People who loves dictators like Mao and Stalin deserves no respect

[@SammyD1111]

48:25: "He killed millions of people...", " "Let's not deflect" Gotta use that one on the gf

[@BOMEFSY]

Let's not talk about what happen in Ukraine. More people killed there than the Holocaust.

[@prolificgeek6734]

@@BOMEFSY A conversation worthy of Truth but nonetheless covered up in history…

[@Puchacz81]

That life expectancy he is talking about it mainly due to progress in medicine (Peniclin) that this profesor tends to omit. It was not Stalin achivement.

[@fullsend8738]

You guys have tiny brains

[@stephenzevetchin]

Hundreds of millions*

[@jontuell5338]

Great discussion. Almost always good content from Value. Keep it up

[@Albert-Arthur-Wison225]

Mr Bet David is to commended. In spades. I, for one, have almost never had the opportunity to see an unabashed celebrator of capitalism behave so fairly, decently, and calmly with a ‘hard leftist’, sans all the hysterics to be expected from characters like Stuart Varney or Tom Woods.

[@farcraf]

One problem, his arguments are from the anti-communist manual of the US State Department. And these guys, in order to achieve a goal, love to transform. For info - I'm Russian with leftist views.

[@lonnyhoutz8871]

I love the fact he said he can’t leave because he has a house and kids

[@wargirl1788]

Right? He's a "communist" with capitalist practices. What a fraud!!!

[@2_572]

Very uncommunistic of him.

[@trendkillallyoufucks9463]

Lol yeah how very capitalist of him

[@davewoode3209]

he prob has a pot conviction and can't travel to russia

[@HeavyK.]

I agree with you. He sounds like a wimp because of this stupid statement. By the way, HOW DARE HE HAVE A HOUSE and not give his wealth to homeless people!?

[@rodsands7646]

People that 'know' what is best for everyone else are a worry

[@higherfrequency8386]

always

[@akturndbelle8758]

These people that know what is best for you are the most dangerous of all. Mostly, because they are self righteous is their beliefs and feel good as you are destroyed. A seriously sick and antichrist attitude.

[@dylanblack3279]

So liberals are a worry

[@stonebud]

Yeah and you're using social media that censors opinion and witch hunts people for thinking different. The current system is the same

[@kellfarley4711]

The problem is authoritarianism

[@Seank1980]

Does anyone know the episode number so I can find it on Apple Podcasts?

[@jojotweneboa4549]

I actually thought Professor Wolf would do better but as the *Professor* said two different styles. Very articulate guy, love him.

[@Hangs4Fun]

Yeah, this guy said "right" after almost every sentence and thought with several hundred uses of the word "right" I stopped counting at 100 and that was in 10mins. Right, right, right.. It's the pretentious versus of "um"

[@ckimpeter]

Pat, you patience and openness to let him speak and commenting constructively was very impressive. 🙏👍

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

And yet, he cannot overcome his lived experienced... no matter what books or facts he is told he will not change his mind, he drank the USA's cool aid, and he is going for broke on that. To be sure, not everyone in the world wants to live or vacation in a the USA. For him to say he went to "America" for the freedom etc is a lie, he went to that place because of economic reasons, mainly, well, his parents did, he didn't even have a choice at that age he said his family emigrated to the USA.. It is also incredible to see how Americans believe literally in all they are told about the Russia of now, and the past, without question; most of those things are lies. Unnecessary lies, since we all agree that the USA is in fact a better place than Russia, but that is also a false duality, THERE ARE MORE COUNTRIES THAN THOSE TWO IN THE WORLD, SO VISIT SOME OF THEM AND SEE HOW MUCH VARIETY THERE IS IN POLITICAL SOCIAL ORDERS, it doesn't have to be either one of those two.

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

Listen to another one of Patrick's videos with an ex-navy seal talking about war crimes... it is here in the recommended videos. Don't tell me the USA is clean... propaganda is rampant in the USA.

[@videogreats4442]

The patience to let a mad dog bark.

[@jnice6952]

@@ggrthemostgodless8713 I feel sorry for you

[@videogreats4442]

@SaffronChad6969 I'm in intelligence and afraid of nothing. I know all the secrets behind the curtain including the hidden agenda of communism. People are afraid of what they don't know. I know everything so have nothing to fear. You're a commoner who does not know anything about yourself or the world around you. I deal with facts. You deal with common petty emotion. Try your magic on someone who will be tricked by your bombastic buffoonery. ANYONE WHO ATTACKS ME IS A cia mossad blackops disinformation shill

[@toddsullivan6962]

PBD: "He killed millions of people." Communist Prof: "Let's not deflect."

[@AlexPerazaTV]

😂😂😂

[@C_R_O_M________]

@R D GDP didn’t go up, it blipped up and then continued its downward path. Bear in mind that communist countries behind the Iron Curtain lied about their real figures to the extend that even a few months before the Soviet Union’s collapse, the CIA had a completely wrong impression of the size of their economy, thinking it was multiples larger than it actually was. In reality, communism is a flawed socioeconomic system with many fatal flaws embedded in its design. It can never work because of them. They are basic and fundamental for the economy, flaws like the lack of price-signaling which means terrible capital allocation which always lead to shortages and unnecessary surpluses. In other words everything doesn’t work and the State is always many steps behind reality which then tries to patch up with more interventions which make the situation even worse. It’s communist propaganda that Western sanctions are preventing them to flourish. One would ask why can’t the communists sanction the West in the same way? The answer is: “because they can’t”. Capitalism is the fairer, most wise, natural, democratic and spontaneous economic system there is and always finds a way to make things better for everyone. People confuse the current situation with capitalism. It is not. It is the outcome is Fascism and Socialism. Not capitalism. Capitalism is nowadays expressed by the crypto decentralized community not State interventionism.

[@omalashevich]

Why they didn’t talk about Indians who own Americas lands?) how many was killed?

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@omalashevich Nonsense! I wrote you a more elaborate answer but YT deletes it! I think they will allow me to say that Indians didn’t even have a word for land ownership! They were brutal among themselves and most died from European diseases that had no immunity for.

[@corygriffiths4394]

Stalin made Hitler look like a saint

[@ScoopDogg]

Having people like him in universities who will influence minds is scary, what's more terrifying is he means well

[@pleadinsanity621]

It’s actually really nice to see a capitalist and communist have a convo without just yelling at each other. We need more of this

[@m0nZt3r]

Especially if the communist can be ushered out by a private helicopter ride!

[@iansmith3693]

Now let's have this same conversation where the capitalist is in the cimmunist country...oh wait, he'd be in jail or suicided

[@goblinslayer7096]

What we really need is fewer communists. But ironically the people who kill the most of them are also communists.

[@crzyprplmnky]

​@@iansmith3693Hard to see in America where all the communists were jailed, blacklisted, or driven out of the country. Look at what happened to Charlie Chaplin 😢

[@fosphor8920]

@@iansmith3693 🤣 pathetic comment

[@Thephoenixrebirth84]

I love that Patrick is so willing, eager, and open to dialogue with people of opposite views and ideas. very refreshing in the current times

[@PyromancerRift]

He have no choice, if he wants guests to come, he canot efford to have a bad reputation of somebody being closed off. Even if deep down he might be.

[@ians_big_fat_cock5913]

xd

[@SNNetwork]

i mean thats more of a people on the left thing they know they cant defend most of their views. i do commend this guy and other leftists willing yo come to the table tho no other way to solve things

[@countryboy2368]

​@@PyromancerRiftHe definitely wouldn't like me thrn. Lol.

[@SevenSixTwo2012]

Yes, Patrick is great at dialogue. The one concerning thing about such 'open dialogues' is that if the roles were reversed, the Leftists would *never* allow such open dialogues to take place. Freedom of speech and the right to dissent does not exist in their MO, as it is viewed as a threat for pointing out the obvious. Hence why socialism and communism are systems that can be freely voted in, but it takes massive societal bloodshed to get rid of them.

[@user-ck3yt7pn7b]

„Настоящая свобода имеется только там, где уничтожена эксплуатация, где нет угнетения одних людей другими, где нет безработицы и нищенства, где человек не дрожит за то, что завтра может потерять работу, жилище, хлеб.“ - Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин

[@farcraf]

“True freedom exists only where exploitation is abolished, where there is no oppression of some people by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a person does not tremble that tomorrow he may lose his job, home, bread.” - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin Комрад, лучше пиши на инглише, они ленятся переводить.

[@isihia777]

Как человек, родившийся и выросший в СССР до 14 лет, как человек, воспитанный советскими людьми, могу засвидетельствовать, что в СССР опасно было критиковать партию и правительство, но непосредственного руководителя, начальника цеха или завода можно было критиковать и ругать безо всяких ограничений, кроме нарушения УК. А при капитализме наоборот: правительство критиковать можно без проблем, персоналии легко заменить, если они потеряют популярность у большинства избирателей. Но критиковать непосредственного руководителя при капитализме опасно. Очень легко оказаться безработным, а то и с волчьим билетом.

[@gendalfgray7889]

В совке была номенклатура и рабы, рабы могли друг друга ругать.

[@jimluebke3869]

"Stalin did have an extraordinary impact on people's lives" He ended tens of millions of them.

[@saptarshimallick5662]

@L A person can do both you know.And he didn't fought nazis because of good conscience he did so as to save his own hide.

[@saptarshimallick5662]

@L Well most of the things that you mentioned are already there in most of the developed countries in europe and they did that without executing 10s of millions of people so no i don't think and giving those benefits alongside killing millions and/or putting them in gulag is a good deal. And as for your quote.... cool.

[@ej1692]

@L you totally ignored his comment. 10s of millions killed, perhaps more. Never worked across several countries and cultures throughout the history of the world and always ended disastrous. You can act intellectual all you want, but if you can’t understand how that’s bad, i don’t know what to tell you.

[@saptarshimallick5662]

@L 3 things: 1.There are lots of other variables which go into making a country succesful economically and socially other than it being a socialist country or not. 2.The reason China overcame India has been vastly oversimplified by you. There are the factors of India being a democratic nation which led to power being slowly and steadily falling into incompetent and corrupt hands because the illeterate masses voted for those who had a socialist viewpoint without understanding its complication while in china the case was that from 1930 it had a authoritarian rule of sort thus they had more time to focus on building the nation for as they knew they would not be ousted.And even then they did a poor job.And as for the fact that from 1980 china had a economic boom,go and read and you will find that is was in fact a capitalistic boom.Business's were now allowed to do business without state intervention and whatnot.It was just socialistic in name only just like the Nazi were socialistic in name only.And as for India man India had been a socilatis esque country for so long that ultimately it brought ita own downfall as in the 1970s and 80s when the companies were willing to come to India it declined and stopped them from entering the country.That is not very capitalistic if you ask me.The real capitalistic policies started coming in 1994 with the LPG policy which is a freere policy for both the citizens and outside people to be able to do business freely in India and another capitalistic boom is currently happening in India.And it was because of these cpaitalistic policies that the indian economy started developing a backbone.Man let me tell you one thing that if you saw the level of economy and livelihood back in 90s or 2000s to 60s and 70s and choose where someone would like to live most would say 90s for that is when the economy really started picking up its pace though not for long for corruption.And fyi i am an Indian. 3.And as for the point of asking people whether they would like to live in capitalistic or socialistic economy most will definitley say the socialistic for the people saying this are the people who have benefitted from socialism while the real the people who had faced the real brunt are now dead or escaped the country.So that poll is useless.Instead read the history and you will find the number of people who had died if taken into account for as they would surely be against staying in a socialitisc economy would make the poll 30-70 or even less in favour of not staying in socialistic economies. And sorry for i have missed a kot of other points you made for first i have already written a lot so i don't want to write anymore and two i need to do some research on the other points you made.

[@saptarshimallick5662]

@L Damn for a person saying to cite sources and whatnot i see absolutely...uhmm..yess absolutely 0 sources.All i see are you know this you know that et cetra.First of all stalin killed 6 million people directly and indirectly 9 million that i know for sure so i don't know which number you are talking about in which the nazis were included.And as for the 5x capiatlism...hmmm...yup again 0 sources cited.And again i don't know which black book of communism you are talking about.I haven't derived all this information from one book so i don't know which book you are talking about.Again before asking someone else to cite sources please you cite the sources of all the fantastical claims that you are talking about like car deaths and whatnot.

[@michaeldaugherty2293]

Bet this guy wouldn't give up his paycheck to live the Communists lifestyle.

[@YoungJon]

Right

[@nicolasceresoli9121]

Nah. He definently will be at a sale on a black friday promotion.

[@jmm1817]

Of course not they are complete hypocrites these are the people teaching our College students

[@jeffk464]

Just like Carl Marx, who got wealthy of his communist books.

[@Sergatx]

Don’t give this guy the time PBD.

[@Joanne-vr4zu]

Fascinating. Interesting. Informative. Thank you

[@petkuscinta9797]

As someone who lived in socialism under soviets 1966-1989 Patrick missed on some opportunities there. Great chat!! In part 2 I would love to hear views on Breznev, Gorbacev, Klause Schwab and WEF, Human Nature that constantly fails system and finally question "Do you think it is possible to run communism and capitalism in one country at the same time?" and has China found a way to destroy world empire by running capitalism economically and "communism" politically? And finally, "once AI and robots cancel any jobs what system will survive running "obsolete" humans?"

[@user-hf6hp9ou3v]

There is no political communism. It's an economic system. China is nearly wholly the same as USA, a giant capitalist empire, only difference being more power of politicians over monopolists/corporations in the country and a different approach to censhorship, which is somehow less strict than the one in the US.

[@petkuscinta9797]

@@user-hf6hp9ou3v i do know what you trying to say but communism can not be achieve without absolute authority/totality. Hence word political. It requires magnetising each human one direction into complying ideally self wanting elements and that is not possible without directional force.

[@petkuscinta9797]

You can do it with AI robots until they grow their self aware realising they all slaves.

[@user-hf6hp9ou3v]

@@petkuscinta9797 Free market is inachievable without aurhority either. There needs to be a system in place or a general authority figure that is going to maintain stability. In case of free-market capitalism there needs to be anti-monopoly and anti-cartel regulations in place.

[@bdmajuqwana4050]

@@user-hf6hp9ou3v USA is a colony of Europeans. Natives were killed in a series of genocides. China is natives running their own country. See the difference? And China is not capitalist but communist. Or name the capitalists if you think China is not communist.

[@EUSA1776]

The problem isn’t that he’s dishonest with himself, it’s that he teaches your children to think the same.

[@moondogg360]

he us probably is flat earther

[@crookedjack5499]

These people are drawn to teaching children and college students because they can't get away with it when speaking to adults that have life experience

[@acabaconto]

I believe that ONE of the problems that We as a country's has, lies w/not paying competent (people) teachers a livable wage. USA's EDUCATION sys. SUCKS... That being said... The current K-12 educational curriculum DOES NOT support "children" reaching the academic lvl. required, in order to sit in one of Dr. Ghandi Clause's classroom...

[@moceri55]

Maybe you should teach your children to be independent thinkers and not be so quick to agree with someone just because they can speak with a big vocabulary. Where does the fault really lie?

[@moceri55]

I’m not defending this guy or his philosophy so don’t come at me with that.

[@kyekyllean9221]

Fascinating conversation . I lived under a dictatorship and let me tell you, there's a big difference between learning about the history of war in books and being in the war. Good talk nonetheless.

[@SPGHTTFRT]

Which dictatorship did you live under?

[@caralho5237]

@@SPGHTTFRT Trump's

[@edilangsultan3522]

@@caralho5237 Did they had airstrikes in the U.S during Trump's reign? Damn

[@caralho5237]

@@edilangsultan3522 It was a joke XD The guy above is a commie

[@DekkarJr]

@@edilangsultan3522 There was unrest in the streets :D

[@yvonnegonzalez5616]

ThankU Guru- Patrick B.David; 4the Correctamundo &Factual Matrz!

[@evidencesuggests1697]

I appreciate the debate, but unfortunately I don’t think PBD has the rhetorical capacity to destroy the communist ideology sufficiently. I took good points and learned some things from this conversation. Thank you for your time! Sincerely, an Anarchist

[@porpoiselips]

"There's no inherently bad jobs" said the guy that's never done roofing in the summer!

[@GopnikVlad]

Clearly he meant jobs that are disdained, not difficult. Like dads telling their sons they will be a garbage man or burger flipper if they don’t go to school. Miners, for example, were very highly regarded. Ask West Virginia miners how highly they are regarded in USA. USA has a long history of labor exploitation-currently using immigrants. Do you deny this?

[@benflanagan7149]

Especially Roofing in the summer as a REDHEAD!

[@HistoryCity1]

@@benflanagan7149 Is that you Bill Burr?

[@benflanagan7149]

@@HistoryCity1 *wink*

[@porpoiselips]

@@GopnikVlad do I deny what? You made at least 3 different statements.

[@NOTLeavingLV]

14:56 my Ukrainian family who fled the Soviet Union would have a lot to say to this man. He’s clearly living in a world full of sycophants and confirmation bias.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

If he didn't propagate his views, then what good would his degree be?

[@rossbrooks5816]

Most of the former soviet states are still struggling due to the corruptive nature of the old regime.

[@AbsolutelyNoOne-qi4ye]

My Russian family would have a lot to say also, My Grandmother HATED communism and all its worth (Which is nothing but evil and corruption) These people live in a lala world

[@AbsolutelyNoOne-qi4ye]

Ви б подумали, що вони запитають людей, які це пережили і відчули, але вони недостатньо розумні.

[@nomadvehr827]

My Croatian grandfather can say the same. The silver lining, I wouldn't exist if he would have stayed in Yugoslavia at the time.

[@kmcdowell212]

The first time I listened to this I thought Dr. Asatair sounded crazy in his argument. Now a year later I think Patrick is crazy 😂😅

[@Kimberly_E]

I like this Socialist. Despise his views but he's thought them out and can very well articulate his points. We need these conversations. Power-devouring politicians on all sides don't want open conversations and sharing of thoughts. They want dissension, separation, rage amongst Americans. This is how we should treat those with opposing views; with dignity and respect. Great interview.

[@umbreonstop-motion5780]

Most communists are actually this consistent in their ideas. It’s a complete strawman the notion that communists worship Stalin, like 99% have many critiques, but actually based on facts, not just critiquing him for doing what every other country in that situation would do

[@larrygerry985]

He has thought about the perfection of Marxism his whole career while living in a capitalist society, the irony

[@harbingertheheretic3541]

Well, at least a less-marxist society. For now.

[@mentoriii3475]

unfortunately US and most Western EU countries are headed that way, they view Chinese government as ideal way to rule

[@lucas-cz7dv]

you can critique a system while simultaneously living in it

[@niall8632]

@@lucas-cz7dv **you can privilege and benefit from a system you ridicule as a full time profession, you mean.

[@bloodcamarosexmagik4223]

@@lucas-cz7dv , Niall just burned tf outta you

[@balddog642]

Having grown up in communism, I find this interview fascinating. But my question is why professor Bair lives in the USA. He could move to Cuba, North Korea or even China. Why hasn't he? Maybe because he wouldn't have a cushy, six-figure job over there. I reckon he enjoys the benefits of being a college professor in a capitalist country.

[@StrayedIdea]

Because the countries that you have mentioned has nothing to do to with communism.

[@absaw5735]

As bad as communism is, I don’t understand it when people ask these types of questions. Like, if I wasn’t poor and have enough to sustain a relatively good life, I wouldn’t easily move to a whole new country and jump into a completely different culture just because I praise a certain economic structure. It’s basically like me asking you “why don’t you move out of the United States since you don’t like Biden and big tech basically controlling ‘freedom of speech’?” You only move and migrate when you have no other choice and no good means of living a respectable life. There are too many different angles that go into it including family, friends, culture, having only known the place you grew up in. Plus it’s funny seeing you only mention Cuba and N. Korea and just added China there to sound objective. You could’ve mentioned other countries that are more successful with aspects of communism and socialism. And I’m not at all a “communist”.

[@balddog642]

@@StrayedIdea Well, then socialist countries en route to communism. Almost the same situation. I think.

[@davidaldridge5716]

@@StrayedIdea pretty sure China, Cuba and N Korea know a bit about communism

[@annonymsurfer3189]

@@StrayedIdea lemme guess. Real communism hasn't been tried before?

[@fergman300]

Well, that was an amazing interview

[@MLPDethDealr32]

Him: Communism Good.. Also Communism under Stalin: Your value to the state is more important than your own rights as an individual. Stalin also had a similar doctrine to Hitler in terms of Military effectiveness. anyone who tried to desert their post was to be killed by the man next to him. Hitler did the same thing during World War 2. Anyone that deserted was killed if they were cuaght by the SS. Dear mr. Bair , Stalin should not be venerated. Neither should Hitler. They should both be mocked and denigrated for their actions overall.

[@montagesforall791]

The amount of times the professor says "right" after everything he said was wild lmao

[@hahnchenland3483]

He is seeking approval after each point.

[@icecoldchilipreppers6496]

It's a social conditioning tactic. He's a well trained mind washer.

[@craighode2265]

Right???

[@ChrisAthanas]

If he truly believed that stuff he wouldn't need to say "right" and get agreement The truth stands on its own

[@justjustin4044]

He barely believes his own ideology ...

[@jeffsingleton88]

"no work is shitty" says the guy who has never worked a day of hard labor in his life

[@burhan8795]

How do you know?

[@robertdepesci3418]

@@burhan8795 you're welcome to move to russia too

[@wtfyomom]

Teaching isn’t a job? But sitting on your ass living off your workers is a “ real job “ right ?

[@wtfyomom]

Why it’s a capitalist hell hole now, plus why would I move , I don’t want to be a victim of United States foreign policy

[@scottwatson4584]

@@robertdepesci3418 Ok, Russia is not Communist. It is actually closer to what America is today. Except presidents don't just do 8 years.

[@GWIMATMFAOE]

I was born in a communist country during the Soviet era. Yes, on the outside it appeared that there was equality and that people were somewhat content. There were some benefits to communism which do not outweigh the negatives. Yes, under Stalin the economy grew, but did we mention that people's land was taken away and taken over by the government for the benefit of "all"? They pretended to give something back to people to compensate for this...pennies compared to what they took. I know because it happened to my family. They took what is now land worth millions from us. Once communism fell apart, we weren't able to get our land back from a corrupt government that was making too much from our resource rich land. Similarly to Patrick, I left with my family and lived in a refugee camp in Germany. We left right after communism fell apart when I was around 6 years old. We lived in poverty for many years and struggled greatly. The way that communism worked is through the seizure of people's generational wealth, which in turn was redistributed to benefit a corrupt government. The same corrupt government officials became oligarchs after robbing their country blind once communism fell apart. All of the sudden the same people who were all for "equality" became capitalists with the people's money.

[@weiserhalunke9168]

Sounds like the problem was more the fall of the soviet structure and what happened afterwards than than the soviet system itself.

[@GWIMATMFAOE]

@@weiserhalunke9168 Private land was taken from the people and redistributed to the state when communism was brought in. The way that communism worked is by taking from the people...their land and labour, and making them all "equal". The only reason why the leaders liked equality is because they were the only ones that could be enriched. When it all came apart, they loved capitalism because they took the people's money and fled to countries where they repurposed it to their benefit through capitalism. The problem was the communist system that made it easy to intimidate people if they rebelled, and take from them what they worked hard to achieve. Communism falling apart just made people realise why government officials wanted it to fail. They finally had the opportunity to take what they could take and enjoy their plunder. Keep your guns and make sure no government, corporation, or whatever system of power in the US is able to do what was done in the Soviet. Yes, no healthcare and corporate greed is a problem, but you definitely don't want the Soviet problem at your doorstep. It was just another method of control and impoverishment of the many.

[@umbreonstop-motion5780]

There are many criticisms of Soviet style socialism, especially after it became revisionist with Krushchev. And I get that you have many grievances for how your family suffered under it, but I commend you to read and learn more about the Soviet leaders’ justifications for their actions, how they expected it to help the people, and how they to some extent did help. Like, yes you might say that collectivizing agriculture was a mistake, as people weren’t ready for it yet, but don’t you think it was instrumental to increase production to defeat the Nazis who damn near conquered the Soviet people? Things have to be seen in historical and material context, but the bottom line is that most communists harshly criticize past socialist experiments (USSR, China, DPRK, Cuba, …), but still believe in Communism’s ability to help the people greatly, and that with taking lessons from the past, we’ll be able to implement a much greater world Communism today ✊🚩

[@conrad4667]

23:17 WHILE working, you can do anything you want. Half of your time, working; half, what you want. Not counting sleeping.

[@JuanKukoc]

I’m 22 years old and I’m from a SNAP household. I’m the eldest of 4 boys and single immigrant mother household. I just closed on my 1st duplex in December of 2021. And saving for my next deal. The brother that follows me is in his 2nd year in the Army. I used to defend communism in HS but now as a tax payer I see how it just cannot work in real life. I am currently engaged and hoping to start a family as soon as I have 3 cash flowing properties. I plan on raising my children on values of character and responsibility. I’m going to teach them to take care of themselves not to wait for a saving Grace aka big brother. We need to stop the “ohh why me” attitude and accept our deal and see “how I can put myself in a better situation”

[@DudeWithADrone]

Good to see some young people like you appreciate freedom. This indoctrinator that Patrick is interviewing is poisoning young minds simply because he's never considered how dangerous the ideology he is pushing has been in the past and still in the present (Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Sub Saharan Africa, the Middle East and Latin America etc).

[@emilianosintarias7337]

Communism doesn't ask you to pay taxes, capitalism does. And nothing you said about the building character and being an individual is against communism.

[@kdf525]

Congratulations! Best of luck with your future!

[@jackmetz4565]

@@emilianosintarias7337 true...the dictators simply decide to pay you enough to survive and use what they want for services they feel like providing you rather than show you what they are taking from you.

[@steelcity_fan2398]

Congrats on what you’ve done, best of luck to you, we really need more people like you in this world.

[@adamradley4016]

-"He killed MILLIONS of people!" -"Let's not deflect..." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 48:26

[@TheUnconventionalMan]

lol

[@thinkinside163]

I actually laughed out loud when he said that.

[@anthonyesposito7]

Yeah because that wasn't the topic of the conversation, logic really needs to be taught in schools more. Just because one thing is true doesn't make the other one invalid if true and vis versa. Might not like it but still.

[@anthonyesposito7]

@Using Intel as a heater No, see you are doing again you linking to unrelated things here. I mean if you accept this logic then you must also accept the logic that because some places in the world as a result of global capitalism are better of then others then then those places that are worse off are that way also because of global capitalism. After all exploitation is at the core of capitalism, they are inseparable, this is a fact. So people in highly developed countries are reaping the benefits of the exploitation of not only the workers in countries that are worse off but also the workers in their own country to a lesser extent. I remember in Pat's interview with Richard Wolff he basically said that he has no problem with exploiting other people on the other side of the world because, why not, they have a job, they may remain impoverished because of that job but hey that's capitalism. Exactly, that's why it's gotta go and it's long over due at this point.

[@nicholasleon787]

That evil

[@bencerretani9784]

Patrick is a calm and respectful person while listening and speaking in a timely manner. Both these guys are examples of how to open a dialogue

[@americannic]

Great Guest, Great Conversation

[@JohnB-dr8sk]

This professor completely discredited himself when he said that most people who oppose communism are "Nazis." Such an absolutely absurd and vicious statement.

[@Randy_Marsh2]

If you go back and look at a 1930s Websters dictionary, the early definition of the Nazi Party was to oppose communism. Later definitions have changed that definition. But if you can find a 1930s dictionary it will say Nazis first cause was to oppose communism. I say this as an American who is very again against communism.

[@goransvraka3171]

What he should have said majority of the people who oppose communism have been fed anti-communist propaganda and don't understand Marx

[@geoffmead4581]

Great point. How about 14 million people die each year from capitalism? Absolutely false. This guy doesn’t think people are capable of being responsible for themselves.

[@JohnB-dr8sk]

@@Randy_Marsh2 Oh hogwash. Yes, the Nazis hated Marxism because Marxism embraced non-white cultures and also pushed perversion and immorality. But it doesn't change the FACT that the Nazis were Left-wing Eugenicists who believed in killing off the weak, elderly and Jews, hated free speech, and embraced Left-Wing Socialism on a national level. So stop with your Marxist-like deceptive propaganda "Tom."

[@JohnB-we7ym]

You’re correct. The Nazi party did oppose communism. They were national socialists.

[@Redditor6079]

*Professor:* Puts Stalin on an alter for his "massive" improvements to society through communism. *Pat:* Would you live in a Communist country? *Professor:* I don't like this question. 53:14 It's a wrap folks. If you are defending communism but refuse to live in a communist country your argument holds no weight. 🤡

[@lolberthater8050]

Because it’s a dumb question in the first place lol

[@Redditor6079]

@@lolberthater8050 how is it a dumb question? If your actions don't align with your values and principles then you're a fraud. This professor is a fraud. He sits there and says every humans lives should inherently be taken care if by Government while he EARNED everything he has - his PHD, his career. He literally dedicated time to his craft and the capitalist market which he lives in found value in that so he was rewarded with a prestigious career/PHD. You can't make this up. 🤣🤣🤣 He's a total fraud who doesn't practice what he preaches but lies to himself to convince himself what he's preaching is morally acceptable when in reality it's self destructive. Blaming your problems (including financial situation) on external forces is a recipe for a life of misery, envy and self loathing. It's the exact OPPOSITE of how he became successful but it's a lie that relieves individuals of any accountability so gullible fools eat it up because it's more painful to accept accountability and put in that work to improve market value as he did. 🤷‍♂️

[@Houston343]

Read The Whispers by Orlando Figes if you want to learn what living under Stalin was like.

[@msabedra1]

Please time stamp I don’t want to listen to this whole thing to find that gem

[@Redditor6079]

@@msabedra1 53:14

[@CMDRScotty]

My college economics professor grew up in the former Soivet Union and hates socialism and communism.

[@alexleibovici4834]

You are lucky, an exception nowadays...

[@heartpath1]

I like this guys commitment to Marxism and his ability to manifest ol Karl physically. He clearly understands theatre and propaganda. Go all the way!

[@Synchromesh123]

I honestly think someone from the former Soviet Union/Cuba/China should be having a discussion with this guy. Not that the host is doing a bad job but he's just too polite and kind of beats around the bush a bit. As someone from the former Soviet Union with real communism experience I can easily poke holes in most of the professor's theories. And so can others.

[@Killerbee4712]

Tbf the Soviet union's situation is far easier to critique Communism for than Cuba and China. Both Communist states inherited a badly bruised and broken nation, and sure as hell were not up to the task of facing it. However, a person alive today who lived under Soviet rule most likely was born when the USSR had already cemented itself politically. A lot of people under the Mao era were born during WWII, or the civil war following it. These swaths of devastation really can't be blamed on the old landlord killer, since they happened pre-rule. Speaking with someone from the USSR would be a better comparison tho.

[@Aceboogie7294]

Man I thought I was trippen I don’t trust that guy his way of thinking is not right especially if you work for our government smdh

[@phillip53]

Yeah, I know these guys can be pretty slippery, but he letting him squirm out of a couple very serious points is infuriating.

[@hunglukenguyen]

Communism is dumb: Once I heard that Mulla Nasruddin had become a communist. I know him... I was a little puzzled. This was a miracle! I know his possessiveness. So I asked him, "Mulla, do you know what communism means?" He said, "I know." I said, "Do you know that if you have two cars and somebody hasn't a car, you will have to give one car?" He said, "I am perfectly willing to give." I said, "If you have two houses and somebody is without a house you will have to give one house?" He said, "I am perfectly ready, right now." And I said, "If you have two donkeys you will have to give one donkey to somebody else who has not?" He said, "There I disagree. I cannot give, I cannot do that!" But I said, "Why? -- because it is the same logic, the same corollary." He said, "No, it is not the same -- I have two donkeys, I don't have two cars."

[@raggedflaggon9566]

Gonna be honest with you, Soviet Union was by no means communist. If it was then their would not have been a dictator. It is very telling how little people understand about these systems. Like there are clear differences between dictatorships, as opposed to communism, socialism, and capitalism.

[@diffuusio4852]

The professor is the kind of character who spend all of his points on charisma.

[@davidtaylo5573]

DnD much? lol

[@hyacinthlynch843]

Or spends much of his time sniffing his own ass fumes.

[@nobodiesaltbutmine6674]

And yet he has none

[@stevebuczynski2756]

He's lawful evil. Just like Stalin.

[@symbolsarenotreality4595]

ad hom

[@EMES365]

Riverside Community Collage HuH. Riverside California? I spent my childhood there. Fairmount Park used to be an everyday trip. That and the Nature Center. We lived in a campground next to it for allot of the time.

[@moenhaider5553]

Very thoughtful debate

[@andrewjohnson9391]

I think it’s really cool that these two guys are opposite but still are willing to meet up an debate with no hate or disrespect just disagreement we really need more of that in America thank you both for doing this

[@kazimierzlenarczyk9067]

Always it pisses me off when I hear Lefty American Professor who is defending communist. I lived 30 years under the communism regimes. I was lucky to escape to USA The more than 100 million deaths that communism caused, divided by countries; : China: 82 million dead USSR: more than 21 million dead North Korea: 4.6 million dead Vietnam: 3.8 million dead Cambodia: 2.4 million dead Afghanistan: 1.5 million dead Yugoslavia: 1,172,000 dead Germany: 815,000 dead Mozambique: 729,000 dead Ethiopia: 725,000 dead Romania: 435,000 dead Czechoslovakia: 262,082 dead Venezuela: more than 252,000 dead Poland: more than 235,000 dead Hungary: 210,000 dead Angola: 125,000 dead Colombia: 105,419 dead Albania: 100,000 dead Rhodesia / Zimbabwe: more than 50,000 dead Laos: 45,000 dead Bulgaria: 31,150 dead Cuba: 73,000 dead

[@gabrielszohner6243]

the debate can easily turn into bread lines and guillotines if we are not careful .

[@Diasporaliving]

There are some things in this world that need to "be lived" to be "believed." This good lad never spent a day living, studying, writing and trying to express himself under Communism (i spent 27 loooooong years). As eloquent as Dr. Bair is, all he knows comes from his Pinko professors and the books they suggested he read. In short...he knows nothing! Cheers, Dave.

[@ezragilchrist9461]

And yet the people who did actually live under Communism wants to preserve it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum

[@Priinsu]

Where are you from and what was it like from your perspective?

[@zagorith14]

@@Priinsu I'm assuming Cuba, as he has a video in Spanish about Cuba specifically.

[@juliotamayo413]

Exactly! I'm Cuban and I can't state in a clearly and eloquent enough manner how my blood is boiling right now watching this despicable idiot praising the same system that made the first 30 years of my life a living hell.

[@Diasporaliving]

@@Priinsu Cuba. It was hell! I also worked in East Germany in the early 80s and had chance to visit other Communist countries behind the Iron Curtain. I saw Communism in several countries. There's nothing good about it!

[@musicbyjova9104]

You know it's about to get real when PBD wants to ask you a question.

[@lesleepardo9245]

I love how Patrick is respectful and never has to win the argument. My favorite podcaster!!

[@trueblueclue]

48:00 "Who's better. Stalin or Bezos?" "Stalin" "But he killed millions of people." "Let's not deflect Patrick" The balls on this professor.

[@user-mb3dx5fl9f]

In all honesty tho Stalin was much better. He didn't really go after good and functional ppl. Mostly people killed by Stalin were criminals, foreign agents, far left activists, rioters, or those plotting against the regime. Sure, like anywhere else there were mistakes because supply of information was much more limited back then. But Stalin didn't target functional members of the society that didn't try to act against the constitutional order. He mostly killed people that didn't follow the law themselves so like it's not like these killings were lawless. Great deal of ppl that worked with Stalin and privately disagreed with him yet remained loyal and lawful died of old age. Had he been a crazy unhinged dictator no one would have lasted that long. Dude was fairly sane.

[@mikematson7479]

@@user-mb3dx5fl9f gv

[@playbackproductions1]

@@user-mb3dx5fl9f you're insane

[@cgoins1993]

@@user-mb3dx5fl9f Stalin literally ordered people to be executed. Unless Jeff Bezos is living a double life one can almost say with 100% confidence Jeff Bezos never ordered the execution of anyone. So no, Bezos isn’t worse than Stalin. Is Bezos a scumbag? Absolutely, but he’s not someone that has no problem ordering the murder of someone like Stalin was

[@user-mb3dx5fl9f]

@@cgoins1993 Stalin didn't order constitution obiding Americans to be executed. He ordered to execute people that barely had any obligations under their existing law and didn't follow even those. He didn't break the law or constitution while doing so, and people that he executed never stood for a constitution or universal rights. He ordered to kill bunch of orcs basically that themselves were very open about being orcs. You can't pretend that all people in the world have same rights when these people themselves have very different obligations and values. People killed by Stalin never wanted universal rights and their values were extremely bloodthirsty. So no Stalin didn't do anything bad there. You cannot rule over a mob basically pretending that they have rights. While they themselves don't respect these same rights and don't want those.

[@jdstarek]

This guy is like an evil Santa . Instead of joy, he creates despair. Instead of giving gifts, he takes all your belongings.

[@harbingertheheretic3541]

He is truly following the path laid out by evil Santa Karl Marx. Except that marx eventually realized that he was wrong. Notice how communists never want to talk about that.

[@nicolasceresoli9121]

@JojoTheGeneral they are following the teaching of Gramsci, an Italian communist who promoted a revolutionary approach inside educational institutions to promote communism..more like a brainwashing revolution

[@theredboneking]

Here is the pointing to Stalin’s real surname again the Y and J are the same and in the languages the D and J are shown together the H is an phonetic aspirant. Stalin’s surname, Dzhugashvili….. JUga….JUDA shivili…….Son of a Jew. The Dzh is also how they spell the J, Y sound in Russian. Knowing the H is a phonetic aspirant within this does make the YU the meaning of Jew, showing the G is a high eee sound and identical to the D sound. Given YU is Jew its likely the G is a D making JUDA. In Georgian they have this as Yuga which has no Dzh but the same sound its the Y ultimately. So JU, JEW. JUDA again. And Shvili means Son Of. YUDAshvili is Son Of JUDA. or JUDAH. Son Of A Jew. The Eastern Europe sources where correct on the meaning of this surname meaning this. This explains how it just was Stalin spoke perfect Yiddish his whole life. Yiddish is the common language Jews speak in most places next to Hebrew.

[@theredboneking]

Stalin also made anti-Semitism the death penalty in the USSR and was behind the creation of Israel sending the Jewish NKVD down to help along with money and supplies and was also the first world leader to recognize, Israel as the Jewish State in the UN. In 1931 Soviet Dictator Josef Stalin told the Jewish News Agency in the United States that: “Under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty!” This move was also to protect the members of the ruling regime from being exposed as Jews. As this was officially hidden. Doing so was the death penalty. Stalin spent his career violently liquating all nationalist sentiment from within the Soviet Union. Millions of Ukrainian Nationalist alone went to the death camps of the Gulag to never return along with millions others before firing squads. But then Stalin just turns around and gives the Jews their own Nationalist region within the USSR and later green lighted the creation of Israel. May 7, 1934, Stalin created the Jewish state of Birobidjan (or Birobidzhan) in Russia. Birobidjan was the first territorial-administrative entity in the world designated for the Jewish people on the basis of their Jewish nationality. It was located on the border of Russia and China.

[@theredboneking]

Some things can’t lie, as Stalin’s strange condition with his arm. Which he told numerous lies his whole life over. Why? Because for Jews in the Eastern regions he was from. His arm was a common genetic defect. Like tay-sachs disease which only effects Jews [which shows their a racial group.] Gymnast Kerri Strug, her father had the same withered arm Stalin had and he was a Russian Jew. This is common to Jews. Stalin also had another birth defect on two interconnected toes on his feet [which he lied to cover up again]which is common to Jews. Stalin’s place of birth Gori was the home of the largest Georgian Jewish population of the time. With Jewish groups such as the Lezgishvili branch of Jews being one of the largest ones in Georgia. Something to highlight is the surname of Stalin: Maurice Pinay wrote based off what Eastern Europeans had told him who escaped the Red Terror: “In the Georgian language “shvili” means son of, or son, as in Johnson. “Djuda” means Jew. therefore Djugashvili means Jewison… Or Joe Jewison.” [1] With this… “In the Georgian language “shvili” means son of, or son, as in Johnson. “Djuda” means Jew. therefore Djugashvili means Jewison… Or Joe Jewison.” As will be explained Juda, Iuda is the word for Jew in Georgia. Because this is the Jews word for themselves in all languages.

[@dirtydirt2416]

😂 the fact that Stalin could have possibly been saved when he collapsed in his office, but died because those closest to him where to scared to enter the room 💥. I’m glad these conversations are out there for everyone to see. In the USSR this conversation wouldn’t exist

[@dirtydirt2416]

“Mao treats people ethically 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣” - starves 90m Chinese

[@farcraf]

I'm from Russia, and this interview was translated here. I support Asatar Bair's point of view.

[@user-qz9wj9se4d]

Congratulations, Sovok!

[@DekkarJr]

"There are plenty of 160 IQ people who are of absolutely no use to themselves or anyone around them." - Jordan Peterson

[@paulmcgrory5165]

That would be a self criticism? Dont know about the IQ level

[@otisjacksonjunior9795]

Seems a bit generous, yet harsh at the same time. I don't think it's necessarily applicable here, or at least, only to a degree. There is arguably some value in exploring the ideas he put forward here, if for nothing else than to disprove them. So long as they are serious and made in good faith, critical perspectives are valuable . For one thing, they help strength-test and shore up one's own views and ability to respond to criticism. I'm just pleasantly surprised he wasn't insufferable like most communists I've heard from.

[@yashrajbasan4097]

Lmoa, Einstein and hawking was supporter of socialism

[@triscuitbiscuit7173]

JP is a fraud that exploits the insecurities of sexually unfulfilled young men for profit.

[@ksenobite]

This Asatair Bair is one of the many scholars in western education system, which hate the system they live on and have comfortable and safe life, but just like islamic studies professors - they stay away from societys, theocracies and systems they idolize

[@MtnDewWarrior]

Imagine loving stalin so much, having a bunch of money, and not even going to the place he is talking about even once

[@Jl-lq5en]

Russia is great I have been there several times and am moving there. It is not communist anymore but to be honest the USSR was not a bad place to live in the 1930s minus famine and was a good place in the 1960s till its collapse.

[@josephswabe5584]

Communist Russia ironically got a lot of assistance from capitalist from Europe and the USA. Talk about pure bs

[@The_Conqueeftador]

​@Jl-lq5en You are moving there? Enjoy your mandatory military front line service fool. Putin just passed that into law. We'll see how much you truly cling to your ideals when peppered by Ukranian freedom seeds.

[@roostercogburn5005]

Yep... It's easy to criticize your country's socio-economic systems while enjoying the fruits of it. He wouldn't even be able to have a public opinion in the shitholes he loves so much.

[@roostercogburn5005]

​@Jl-lq5en You know damn well that's a load of bullshit. You'd be killed for that opinion for most of its history. It's a horrible place to live if you're a liberty loving human being.

[@markwilson9196]

Great conversation, I have always wanted the other sides true perspective. Question everything!

[@ScarecrowActual]

This was an insanely genuine, and wholesome conversation. I quite enjoyed it. Even if he is a Commie. 😉 - Know I'm years late, but great video. A proper productive, open minded conversation about ideas, I love it.

[@geopoli3735]

Huge respect, PBD, for having strong values but still being smart enough to acknowledge with respect that there are others in the world. Very few are like this.

[@reecegeorgens1755]

Would you be saying this if he was interviewing a fascist? It’s interesting how it’s acceptable to call yourself a communist which is an equally reprehensible ideology. All forms of structuring society have inequity but capitalism is the one that at least minimizes the amount of suffering.

[@geopoli3735]

@@reecegeorgens1755 Actually, yes, I would approve interviewing a fascist. I'm a convinced capitalist, but I disaprove vilifying other models of state. I don't think any ideology is "reprehensible". No value is fundamentally better than another. There is no absolute metrics that can state that capitalism is better than fascism or communism. I know that I prefer to live in a capitalist society, but my personal opinion doesn't make a capitalist society objectively better.

[@Nintentional]

PBD is a treasure. I’m so thankful I found this man and followed him for so many years now and has shaped the way I look at the world.

[@kimobrien.]

@@geopoli3735 The goal of the fascist is to smash the labor movement for the capitalist in crisis.

[@geopoli3735]

@@kimobrien. That may be a byproduct of what the ideology does, but considered more seriously the goal of fascism is to create a perfect society based on strength and excellence. Its practical application is very painful though, like communism (and some would argue capitalism)

[@ItachiUchiha-kf1ie]

Speaking as someone with family who lived under the soviet unions thumb this man's objectively crazy

[@donttellmejustlisten4598]

Lol your family lived not you 1st , 2nd at that time everyone(people) had very less money (mostly poor) nothing we have today(tech,science) so when comparing please keep that in mind , like in India people were dying of starvation until the green revolution then everyone had enough food to eat(through socialism) same with all other basic amenities

[@bethdelagrave1307]

I judged this man unfairly, communist being an emotionally loaded word. I have to apologize to this man. Great talk

[@catchcookandhomestead3879]

My question to him would be if capitalism forces you to work and communism doesn’t then what if no one wants to work. Wouldn’t everybody just starve or weed themselves out because we would have to revert back to medieval times.

[@gregmitchell1943]

I've now listened to a number of discussions with PBD. I love the way he is open to having conversations with people of different opinions. Open dialogue is key to a free society. Respect

[@garyhochstetler7082]

He may be open to discuss it but ultimately he’d order the wholesale slaughter of his people to achieve his goal. That is the way of his ideology. Man is not going to voluntarily give up freedom. The freedom must be taken from him. You may fool a few with empty promises but you won’t fool the masses. You have to slaughter enough to heel the rest. He knows this and he is prepared to do it. He has the conversation because he doesn’t have a choice. It’s the only way he can spread his message. He is not a good man. Either he isn’t good or he is a fool.

[@GeorgeBonez]

Yeah he openly and politely wants to enslave civilization

[@bigmikem1578]

This 👆🏼☝️

[@TrueFootballFan]

he's so respectful.. I would've been like Hey bro stop saying "Right" after every single sentence to self satisfy your stupid pov ... I would've been like , no not right. please stop saying Right.

[@musicbyjova9104]

Exactly, this is freedom of speech by definition.

[@ShaunPrince]

The calm and intellectual manner that these two people conducted themselves in this conversation here, is more of what this whole world needs. That being said, I was taken aback by Asatar's support of Joseph Stalin.

[@00Julian00]

Yeah. Im really enjoying these. Pat seems like a nice guy

[@mitchjames9350]

Not surprising since communists support Stalin and make excuses for him.

[@spockers]

So Stalin murdered a few million people. So what? Everybody had a dream job!

[@parvent3556]

More appropriate to use pseudo-intellectual for the prof. He uses flawed logic and has simplistic and inaccurate understanding of how the world works. His teachings radicalize young minds towards communism and entitlement. They graduate and can't even define what a woman is!

[@mohnjarx7801]

The world needs exactly zero communists

[@GG_WP.13]

First of all, thank you Pat for this nice interview, big respect! Now the part when u say your idol was Arnold and he said Gandhi, to be honest, you already lost debate right there my man. Wish you all the best, pls continue making quality content. And just to add, how many milions US leaders have also killed many people? And also to let you know, they are many video content that are baned to watch in US, if you can't find them it doesn't mean they do not excist.

[@orlydizon4323]

What a brilliant debater you are Pat!

[@CallSaul489]

It’s no secret that great strides can be made when power is concentrated in ambitious hands. It’s also no secret concentrated power corrupts long term.

[@JK-gu3tl]

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it."---Lord Acton

[@saralik3871]

he finds sports and capitalism too competitive with people willing to step on the other to win, but is okay with the death toll under Stalin because it was necessary? Wtf

[@scottmatlock6169]

China is a perfect example of this comment. Economy built China up really fast seeing some of the biggest most hi-tech cities in the world. However the government is extremely corrupt violating so many human rights.

[@mikevarga6742]

@@scottmatlock6169 so fast, that we are now finding out its all bogus..

[@VoxMachina8]

Ha this guy is a testament to how powerful the brain is. The brain is SOOO powerful it can ignore and twist all evidence to prove itself right. You are going to be the hero in the story in your head regardless!

[@muriloninja]

Bingo!

[@genericnamehere7602]

Communists are Cognitive Dissonance incarnate.

[@175dell]

The mind is indeed powerful. It's amazing how leaders in the past have been able to rationalize the literal killing and torture of large groups of people.

[@visionary6498]

😮‍💨

[@alanclw6024]

How about arguing against his arguments instead or just whining that he is wrong

[@javiervasquez29]

0:30 In capitalist countries. People live better then in communist countries. Including the poor and the rich. This is true of industrialized capitalist countries.

[@Cotac_Rastic]

Please also tell me of the nations who are currently the most sanctioned on earth and receive multiple belligerent american attemots at regime change.

[@victorcano1289]

Cherry picking, the industrialized nations who happen to have colonial empires or former colonial empires. Countries like Mexico, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Indonesia. All of them, in the majority of their existence, have been capitalist countries, and the millions upon millions of poeple living in shanty towns, do not live better than how people lived on the USSR. They would change their shacks without running water or sanitation for some ugly commie apartment without thinking it But I guess you have never walked in a shanty town in your life.

[@user-vw4xe7wo4u]

It’s Selective empathy to care about 1.6m unemployed person but to careless about 60m corpses

[@umbreonstop-motion5780]

The question is why we start caring first when it’s America’s adversary that’s doing it. Did we care when a cumulative billions died in famines in China throughout their history? Hell no! Do we care when they have a similar famine under Communism, under which they improve their agriculture enough as to NEVER experience famines again? Yeah, then it’s the worst thing to ever happen. Capitalist’s critiques are so inconsistent 😓

[@stoundingresults]

Animal Farm by George Orwell is an animated book that explains clearly how Socialism/totalitarianism/progressive/communist ideas turn bad eventually. It's free in audiobook format on youtube.

[@donbilligatti3004]

Awesome book😎

[@KeithCindyPanama]

Look up. Make mine Freedom not ism 1940

[@ProfessorCDO]

George Orwell was a socialist and also had anti capitalist critiques . Your bias is showing

[@Sar0]

Short read for anyone that's wants to see what an idea of socialism end up like. Great comment.

[@maiqtheliar8318]

If you didn’t know Animal farm was just a critique of totalitarianism, not socialism. In fact, George Orwell was democratic socialist.

[@mikeyg4072]

The fact he landed a teaching job says everything about our country.

[@hunglukenguyen]

very scary: Once I heard that Mulla Nasruddin had become a communist. I know him... I was a little puzzled. This was a miracle! I know his possessiveness. So I asked him, "Mulla, do you know what communism means?" He said, "I know." I said, "Do you know that if you have two cars and somebody hasn't a car, you will have to give one car?" He said, "I am perfectly willing to give." I said, "If you have two houses and somebody is without a house you will have to give one house?" He said, "I am perfectly ready, right now." And I said, "If you have two donkeys you will have to give one donkey to somebody else who has not?" He said, "There I disagree. I cannot give, I cannot do that!" But I said, "Why? -- because it is the same logic, the same corollary." He said, "No, it is not the same -- I have two donkeys, I don't have two cars."

[@jackm1758]

The fact you think this is a negative thing says everything about your country. Your capitalist country is failing pal.

[@mikeyg4072]

@@jackm1758 put your money where your mouth is and move to China pal

[@jackm1758]

@@mikeyg4072 The same China that had a Communist revolution and built itself into a global superpower in a single lifetime? The same China that is set to surpass the US on all economic and health metrics? That China? Oh so scary!

[@cjuare123]

Patrick is ignorant. He’s never even talked to an Amazon worker. Amazon literally underpays them. And they recently got sued for stealing drivers tips. He makes a very valid point. If capitalism worked there wouldn’t be this many homeless people in America

[@robertmontes1468]

These are the type of conversations we need from people who disagree

[@austinturney4808]

kinder the best interview your ever done Patrick good job.

[@eliasmartinez5353]

Its sad that in the USA we have a ton of professors like Asatar Bair. For those of us who's families fled a socialist or communist country, it is not easy to listen to what he says because from experience we know that the things Bair says are not factual. We left our countries and came to the USA because living under a communist country is horrible. Communists offer to work for the poor people, offer equality and so on. Truth is under such governments the poor multiply and equality only happens downward. We all became poorer and them in the government took the country's wealth. Under capitalism we have the opportunity to fight and be as rich or richer as anyone in the government, but not in communism.

[@wilhelmnurso5948]

This is the real truth. It is hard to listen to the spins and lies of the wanna be communists who are only about one thing: Power.

[@raysworld5839]

You're right

[@pyramidion421]

The quote from Elon Musk comes to mind -“I hate when people confuse education with intelligence. You can have a bachelor’s degree and still be an idiot.”

[@benzkeez]

@@pyramidion421 book smart isn’t always more intelligent than people who have lived it and experienced it. Reading about it and experiencing it are two different things unless you have lived both.

[@pyramidion421]

@@benzkeez Exactly, the guy being interviewed kept bringing up his PhD or Bachelors or whatever he has trying to seem intelligent, but he preaches communism while never having lived in a communist country. So in my opinion even though he has degrees he is an Idiot.

[@chickbowdrie4750]

This man reminds me of one verse in the Bible: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. - Romans 1:22

[@juice3580]

Coming from a book that claims to have the answer to the universe lol

[@chickbowdrie4750]

@@juice3580 You mean proves to have the answer 😎.

[@dickmonkey-king1271]

What if you actually are wise - super wise, in fact - like me?

[@joeanthony7759]

We’re all fools

[@chickbowdrie4750]

@@joeanthony7759 Not to those that fear God. The begining of wisdom is fearing God.

[@odalv316]

I come from a former communist country and I can tell you that all the older generation misses it. Wasn't perfect but it was never as bad as exaggerated by the West.

[@glenpryce]

A very interesting conversation. I've never heard anybody defend/outline the benefits of communism better. That doesn't mean I want to be one though😊