VALVE INDEX VS HP REVERB G2 - What Are The Differences? Which One Should You Buy? Comparing Specs!

[@mixedrealityTV]

Which one are you gonna get, the Index or the Reverb G2? Or probably another option? Please let us know!

[@frozenicypole8998]

Hey can you people who are new to vr blind test between the reverb g2 and the valve index? And ask them which one they liked more.

[@nmpnmp3641]

reverb G2...I was hoping for something closer to index 2.0, but the reverb price is unbeatable...

[@adrianstealth340]

Thanks for vid , disappointed we can’t see a g2 & hands on but hopefully soon

[@wileywilson]

@@aprile1710. Twice the price, double the fall.

[@Solidstate77]

For looking at bare-chested ladies, what is better? higher rez or higher refresh and wider fov?

[@MrCatlolz]

The Index Controllers with Lighthouse Trackers also work with the Reverb and the Reverb G2. You can use two Steam Controller USB-Dongles for that. So, you can have the best of two world. Bring the Reverb G2 to the friend, and at home you use your LH stations with Index Controllers. No problem. The WMR tracking on the Reverb G1 Pro *always* fails when you try to aim one controller in front of the other. Like the vanilla Cosmos at its launch. It's not for playing Onward/Pavlov/Boneworks/HLA Workshop where you need to aim down sight, as of June 2nd.

[@CringeOfCzech]

so do you need the dongles for lighthouses or are those only for the controllers?

[@nrg753]

Nice. Dear Valve, can you officially make a kit (maybe option of with or without lighthouses) that allows us to use Index controllers on any headset. Thankyou :)

[@jordirapper]

@@CringeOfCzech You need the lighthouses and 2 dongles for the controllers. You can use also 1 lighthouse but then no 360 tracking. Setup is a little annoying in that regard.

[@dustinreyes1348]

Weird. Personally I've had no issues with gun tracking in Pavlov or Contractors when using my O+.

[@jordirapper]

@Morgan Pike No. The dongles communicate with the controllers and the lighthouses are for the controllers positions.

[@Omstart93]

I only use VR for racing and flightsimulators so the G2 sounds perfect for me

[@jordirapper]

I ordered the Index cause I prefer Lighthouse tracking. I have a Quest and the tracking is good but no one can deny lighthouse is more accurate. And I love the Knuckles controllers and while I can get it to work, the setups are just annoying in that regard. I also like to think that the Index will get some wireless option (probably limited to 90Hz though) but even if not, it just seems for better quality and for games like Half Life, Elite dangerous, I want the better quality.

[@tinovfr]

Thanks for the comparison! For me a big selling point is always inside-out flexibility, even if the tracking is a bit better with base station. For example i simply go from office to our kitchen with a notebook and i'm ready within a few minutes vs. "Where should i place the base stations now, hmm?". For those who can permanently reserve a room for VR and have the extra money this might be absolutely ok. Hopefully we can get rid off the outside-in hassle in the future without compromises and see also prices further falling for mass adoption.

[@blakenolen5062]

I still use the Oculus CV1, had it for the last 3years, and it still works fine. If this new reverb is as good as it seems to be, I might just upgrade.

[@devindykstra]

Same, the Reverb G2 might just be my next headset. It looks so good.

[@MaaZeus]

Ditto. I am so looking forward to this.

[@Smood47]

Same but wont bother with reverb g2. Tracking will prob suck and fov super disappointing. Will keep waiting probably.

[@devindykstra]

@@Smood47 I've used WMR before and it's way better than I expected. If the two extra cameras help even a little bit it could be pretty great.

[@markcarey5810]

Still with CV1?? You have no idea what your missing! My Reverb is superb, this looks like a decent upgrade (upgrading resolution not necessary).

[@neurokinetik64ES]

I'll wait for the reviews and see if the Reverb lives up to its specs this time. They at least addressed all of the complaints with the previous version, so that's a plus.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yes, exactly!

[@Kudykun]

Planning on picking up the Reverb G2 on my bday, seems like the perfect headset for me as I never really worried about FOV, coming from using a Rift S, will definitely be an upgrade for me.

[@GrippyRocks]

It's a pitty that they didn't mix the best of both. I was expecting the index FOV with the reverb resolution and the index controllers !! I hope that Valve is going to prepare a better one itself.

[@RicoBdk]

Exactly what i want

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yeah, they went for the better clarity instead of FOV. I am still looking forward to this headset!

[@DanielDiaz-by7fc]

Probably would have cost more than the Index though, plus needed a 2080ti to run. I think it wouldn’t have been such a letdown if it was even SLIGHTLY bigger than the G1

[@Simlife101]

@@DanielDiaz-by7fc but when the new 3000 series cards come out soon they are saying the 3080 blows the 2080ti out the water so maybe GPU market is going to go like consoles, and we will see a new GPU more often

[@thuban6371]

If valve is going to go for a better one it will cost at least 50% more than the index.

[@Rookie811978]

I mainly do sim racing and currently using the G1 Reverb, I only use the controllers for navigation. With the upgrades on G2, for simracing it's a worthy upgrade I think.

[@Mr.Ollie1]

Good video! Valve Index: -better tracking+finger tracking -better FOV -better refresh rate -maybe better colours Reverb G2: -higher resolution I think when Valve announces the Index 2, people will not wait the first impressions, just go to hit the pre-order button.

[@edwargo]

We don’t have a choice in Australia, Valve refused to sell the Index here and I would have bought one in a heartbeat...so my business goes to HP.

[@nrg753]

same here!

[@consume_vegetables]

same here in Malaysia. Was planning to get through ebay but it was sold at almost double the price. I only need the headset and controllers because i have the vive. hopefully Reverb G2 will be available in our region.

[@rock3t_ninja945]

BIG TRUE.

[@K11...]

Same in Norway, but we have 5 year warrenty for all consumer electronics by law, so guess they dont expect the index to last that long.

[@claybomb1064]

Great work as alway Sebastian. It’s going to be a tough decision for me but leaning towards the Index for the bigger fov. Cheers!

[@ellankim8317]

Get a htc Cosmos because it comes with amazing 2016 Wand controller with amazing price at $899 price tag. Htc is just amazing

[@claybomb1064]

Ellan Kim Are you joking? The Cosmos is a disaster... your joking right?

[@mixedrealityTV]

The Index is a fantastic headset that you will love.

[@mixedrealityTV]

I think Ellan is joking. :)

[@vincentsantucci2478]

@@claybomb1064 Joking? Noooooo

[@Savage_Viking]

Definitely the Reverb G2, resolution counts and its just a great price

[@harf4ng]

I guess a higher resolution means you need a more powerful computer as well...

[@TheDrnknmnky]

For me its definetly fov and hz since its immersing me much more in my game and i play mostly rpgs no sims etc

[@MsEddiepark]

Julien Pham the better the headset lenses are, the less power we need from the our computers. It’s all about the right lenses.

[@Diehard148]

I will wait for the reveal from samsung. Seb, maybe interesting to mention recommended pc specs for each headset, related to refresh rate and resolution

[@pumpuppthevolume]

there is no way the samsung headset will be that different....most likely ordinary speakers ....but the screen could be oled or have 120hz but at index or cosmos resolution ....and hoping for fov increase meh maybe not best possible case which is unlikely is ..... rgb oled 120hz cosmos res and slightly more fov but if it has stuff like that it will be more than 600

[@rtyzxc]

I'm simply waiting for OLED and decent FOV. Is this too much to ask. Additionally would prefer lighthouse tracking or at least better than camera tracking. Wouldn't mind higher price.

[@davebell771]

I got the original reverb and debating which of these Two headsets to get. I prefer lighthouse tracking but the higher resolution is swaying me towards the g2

[@davebell771]

@Skidrow I have owned a pimax 5k plus but I wasn't that impressed with it. I really like the gen1 reverb, so imagine the g2 I will like more. Just a shame its not lighthouse tracking.

[@Tezla_Insanity]

Glad HP is releasing a worthy successor to the original Reverb. Really hoping Samsung reveals something soon, needing a new headset that uses OLED.

[@brandon8384]

cant wait for samsungs new oled screen

[@funofflying15]

Thanks Sebastian, very interesting review, but frustratingly for me once again, there was no mention of whether either headset is suitable for people who have to wear prescription glasses? Any comments, as personally I would like to buy the G2? Regards from the UK

[@visiblur]

I'm pretty sure they'll fit glasses, but it's always better to get contacts.

[@Urfir3d]

Here’s something that most aren’t covering. Please do a through the lens where you are using SS on the Index to make the resolution match closer to the G2 Resolution. I’m wondering how close the actual look will get when you use Supersampling to have similar resolution and performance.

[@RingoFreakingStarr]

It's hard to say what is more important for VR; resolution or FOV and the darkhorse of Frame Rate. I've tried out literally every VR HMD and before the Index came out, I was in love with the Vive Pro. I personally do not think FOV is the end all be all at this moment. The Pimax VR HMDs provide a wide FOV but with lots of fisheye problems and the FOV stretches out the available pixels. My job allowed me access to trying out the StarVR HMDs and the newer one that is coming out has hands down the most immersive FOV. But again, the pixels get stretched out so much. Then the Index came out and it honestly hits the best middle ground of all these elements. The image is crisp with a somewhat high refresh rate, it has more FOV but not so much that the pixels get stretched out, and having it be able to hit 144hz, in the games that I can run it in, is a very clear immersion boost. Also it has the best audio solution built in hands down, the best tracking system hands down, and from my experience the best ergonomics. I can wear it for upwards of 8 hours easily (sim racing events). I think right now all HMDs should be chasing high resolution panels in conjunction with Nvidia and software devs trying to make the rendering much less taxing on systems. There is something Nvidia has that essentially cuts the rendering in half by using AI to predict a left/right eye image based on rendering the other one. It is in iRacing and it literally cuts the performance costs down by half and I cannot tell that it is spitting out a "fake" image. I personally find the Valve Index and honestly even the Vives and 1st gen VR HMDs FOV more than acceptable. I want higher resolution panels and 144hz to be the standard before we see improvements in FOV.

[@shanx5844]

Agreed, DLSS has showed a great potential for cheaper RTX card to provide much higher frames for high resolution.

[@Obiter3]

Excellent video 👍 I've always been about the best picture, would have liked a little more of an FOV jump from the Rift but I'm pre-ordered on this. I was half a click away from the Pimax 8KX when this set was announced.

[@oldboy5001]

Damn, when are we going to get an HMD that delivers in all areas? Choosing between field of view vs resolution is too hard.

[@imcrummy6114]

LD321 no it doesn’t it has worse fov then the index by a pretty decent amount but the resolution is better with a lower frame rate

[@buggylama]

Another thing is the HP Reverb G2 recommends an RTX 2080 or better on it's website (which from my point of view is not necessarily a bad thing). I don't know what might have changed from the G1's GTX 1080 recommendation (my GPU), but I will take it seriously until I hear otherwise. At any rate, I will probably wait for the Nvidia 3000 series to come out before I replace my Odyssey+. I am really pleased with HP for working so hard to improve the Reverb, and they are in my opinion one of a few companies doing the most to push VR image quality forwards. I appreciate this so much and I wish I could afford to just slap down $600 bucks, but alas I am on a budget. Also congratulations on the new-and-improved WMR inside-out tracking.

[@ellankim8317]

With steam reprojection i think gtx 1070 is will work fine

[@mixedrealityTV]

This has exactly the same requirements than the old G1. All the same, confirmed with the HP team.

[@buggylama]

@@mixedrealityTV Thank you for addressing my concerns.

[@Tpachal]

Tuesday was the 8 week mark for my valve index order so every day from now on is extra painful. Is the G2 going to make me regret my purchase? This is my first HMD and I really don't know what I want other than I want to be super immersed in adventure games with cool worlds to explore and horror games.

[@hassansalem6374]

Im kinda in the same situation. IDK WHAT TO PICK

[@Tpachal]

I think we will be happy with the Index. I have only played briefly in an oculus and I thought that had good visuals

[@Tpachal]

@@hassansalem6374 If it helps you any I've made up my mind. I want to use the knuckles controllers but to do that with the HP Reverb I would still have to buy the base stations. So Reverb + Knuckles + base station actually works out to be slightly more expensive than the full Index package. I would also have to reset my 8 week waiting time for the knuckles and base stations. I also think that having 120hz is more important to me than slightly better image quality.

[@ronthered138]

I could not see the "edge-to-edge" clarity that the Index supposedly has. I tried everything to find the sweet spot for three months. No way. I even got prescription lenses. At best things were just slightly out of focus looking straight ahead, and hopelessly out of focus if I looked just a tiny bit off center. The build and the sound were absolutely awesome, and I was starting to overcome the motion nausea. I tried every combination of IPD, refresh rate, resolution, etc. in both the Steam and NVIDIA settings. I had to return the headset. Maybe the next generation will be better. Back to the monitor for me. This is a shame, as I really wanted VR to work.

[@gameon551]

Thanks MRTV. Which is clearer? Reverb G2 or Pimax 8KX?

[@mixedrealityTV]

I will let you know once I have the device!

[@theatheistpaladin]

I have pre-ordered G2 but I will get the valve controllers. I know that the G2 will not require external tracking but adding base stations will improve tracking? Can they work together? However, Looking at Steam, the base stations are out of order.

[@bernardthefourth]

I'd really like the Reverb resolution with a much wider view.

[@tonnynguyen390]

Vitgoon please reread that

[@ThruTheWireless]

Very nice video and comparison. I'm still rocking the CV1 and while i really like the FOV and knuckles on the index ive heard of QC and god ray issues. I play a lot of DCS/Elite where i think the clarity of the G2 will be beneficial and ive got a 2080 to drive it. Also not needing base stations and the cost is a huge plus too, so I got the G2 on preorder.

[@slothsarecool]

I've never had an issue with inside-out tracking, so it seems totally fine to me

[@Ken_1971]

Well then you obviously never played a FPS game in VR. The Tracking in first person shooters are awfull when it comes to aiming down the sight with a rifle where you have both hands in a line closely in front of your headset. The inside out tracking is a clear loser when it comes to FPS games.

[@jerryhatfield1404]

If the HP Reverb G2 could include the Star Vr FOV and colors/blacks with the Index 144 hz , then we would all be in heaven.

[@AnimilesYT]

Which one would you recommend if I want full body tracking? I'd need base stations as well to get full body tracking which would make the setup with the Reverb G2 almost as expensive. Is the index the way to go in that case? (btw, I have a GTX 1070Ti GPU, so maybe I'm not able to run the 2x 4k screens of the Reverb G2 properly?)

[@Oppaismasher]

Index. With the G2, you're either going to be disappointed to annoyed with budget full body tracking options, or you're going to spend a lot on base stations and three Vive trackers anyway.

[@moncimoov]

i use full body tracking, u can check my Beatsaber channel🤗.. let me explain why u should just go with index .. im a rift S user, and played beatsaber like crazy... and then i buy 2x basestation. for the sake of full body tracking, ,.. kinda suck because its very costly, because if i knew i want to do full body tracking.. might as well buy index since very beginning.. but Thank God, my Vive Basestation (not valve) simply works together with the index headset and controller.. so without thinking twice, i sold my rift S for 650$, and YES FINALLY bought valve index! if i dont buy index, i feel there is something wrong with the Value and functionality of my VR setup... to buy a Valve index after selling my rift is the best sweet spot for the money rift S + Full body tracking : 400$+400$ (vive trackers x3) +270$ (basestation x2) = 1070$ Index + full body tracking = 500$ + 400$ +270$ + 270$ (controllers) = 1440$ on my case its 370$ more expensive, but u get SUPEREB FOV, crispy display, amazing tracking, superb finger tracking, 120hz/144hz,an ipd adjustment that rift s dont have, superb luminosity response, better RGB Passthrough, 10 times more cool design, and a better PCVR experience overall..that can even run Oculus exclusive game with revive, and. there is also another option, which is 500$ G2 if u prefer resolution than anything

[@stubot-vrveteran]

Hi Sebastian , I've had the original Vive for a few years and love it. I recently upgraded to the Valve Index Knuckle controllers a couple months ago. They are amazing, thanks for your review on them , I have now upgraded my HMD. After careful consideration I went for the Cosmos Elite over the Valve Index (OMG lol) , The reasons for this are the Cosmos Elite can go wireless, the ability to mod the lens so no more god rays (I modded the lens in Vive so I can use the same Oculus lens in Cosmos Elite) , Plus I like you can flip up the front of the Cosmos to glance out of VR. The screen is great on the Cosmos and Field of view is great in my book. I'm gaming on my RTX 2080super so res and fps is perfect at 90hz. 144hz on Valve Index needs a hell of a lot of GPU power to hit constant 144fps at high settings. The sound on Cosmos is great and very comfy on the ear. Thank you for all your reviews on VR as you given me a awesome insight into all products that's helped me make up my mind on what to buy. Love your work dude !!! Thanks.

[@mixedrealityTV]

So glad that you enjoy my content! I totally get it than you enjoy the Cosmos. It really is the only headset that you can use wirelessly, if you do not count the Quest. Also, it is good that you can upgrade to Lighthouse Tracking with the Cosmos now. I will check it out on my channel soon.

[@davidcole2337]

Mixed Reality is a good platform. The biggest issue I had with my Lenovo Explore was the Controllers. So it sounds like with the G2 they have modified Controller to feel more like the Oculus Touch Controllers. That is a big plus..

[@Ken_1971]

@David Cole Obviously they just replaced the trackpad by two buttons on each controller. There might not be a significant change in the tracking capabilities of the inside out tracking so its probably still the same "jittery" tracking. The one really helpful change they made are the two extra cameras ( one on each side of the G2 ). With their help the controllers wont lose tracking when you move your hands to your shoulders ( for example : In the game Onward you grab the knife on your shoulder or grab the radio mirophone ( which is also located on your shoulder ) to communicate with your teammates ). I also play VR games with my first generation Lenovo Explorer and in most of the games i do NOT have any problems. Only first person shooter games like Onward cause the problems when lining up the controllers ( after grabbing the front handle of the rifles) . The cameras of the WMR headsets have problems to identify the controllers and track their exact positions when they are close together in a line in front of the camera. What really helps in FPS games is a gun stock with a fixed distance between the controllers. I use one which is called MagTube from the company ProTube VR www.protubevr.com/en/ It has magnets on the controller cups and you can easily put the controller on and off the gun stock with a little force. Additionaly the gun stock rises the aiming precision in a significant way as you have more control of the virtual weapon. No more jittery or wild/uncontrollable weapon behaviour.

[@banzaimcbutterpants9388]

Yeah, after watching a couple of reviews I’d say I’m going with the reverb, the image is sharper, and the fov, while being smaller doesn’t matter so much that I’m going to pay and extra four hundred dollars. No finger tracking sucks, but for the close enough quality and a drastically better, price, the choice seems obvious, plus I’ve been playing in 60hz in Skyrim VR for a while and it twirls well enough.

[@banzaimcbutterpants9388]

Ken thanks this helped me, I’m gonna go with the reverb after his new beta testing video and this one.

[@rednaxel04]

Hi, Sebastian, could you ask HP Reverb team, is it possible to add 72 Hz mode for movies?

[@mixedrealityTV]

I don't think they would add this.

[@pcjunkie939]

I am looking for my first vr headset. Rift s was my first choice... But everything is sold out. So i am stil looking around. Now i am looking forward to buy a G2...

[@owolou]

you better have a good enough pc to run the damn thing...

[@pcjunkie939]

@@owolou i7 8700k, 32gb, gtx 1070 (gpu upgrade coming up) after better gpu thinking i am oke.

[@thenic123]

I'd go an Index mainly for the larger FOV but it's not officially available to my country. So it's either the new HP G2 or Pimax Artisan *cough* Parmesan. Wish the HP had wider FOV and don't really want to go Pimax as they're a shambles and have to get basestations. Those basestations might get affected by EMI as I run diy actuators. Have to wait longer and investigate.

[@SprDrumio64]

what I really want to know, is if the Reverb G2 will require the same type of setup that the WMR headsets have right now, as that setup process can be really cumbersome and the bounds can be messed up if done incorrectly which happens in my space all the time. I'd like to know if it has at least the same kind of boundary setup that the S does.

[@vrbalance2686]

Great video Sebastian. Lots of info.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Glad you liked it!!!

[@CannonKnight]

I was really excited about the Reverb G2 until I found out a couple of days ago that my big head has an IPD of 70mm. Why is the IPD range so low? I guess they wanted to still use the same housing to save costs, and that's the best they could do.

[@mixedrealityTV]

70mm is fine, just put the slider all the way! Even if it says 68mm, you will still have a good experience.

[@Destarn]

Probably the G2 because the Index is more than $1000 here in Poland. The G2 will probably be more than $599 as well but yea.. Time will show whether the headset is even worth buying. It looks promising so far though.

[@videos4mydad]

We need rock-steady tracking that only base stations provide. Every VR headset needs to support this. I love the resolution, but not the camera tracking.

[@_Dibbler_]

Who is "we"? I like inside out tracking very much. But yeah, of course it would be nice if HP had an upgrade kit so that you can use Lighthouse if you want to

[@ritchski1]

Thanks for the info, subscribed.

[@Dj-Mccullough]

Admittedly I am invested in the Lightouse based ecosystem, but i do have to genuinely ask. Who takes a $500+ headset around house to house like a controller? the whole "take a headset to a friends house" argument seems to be a very very small use case. not to mention, setting up the base stations takes literally 60 seconds.. Is it THAT much of a issue for people? I will never give up superior lighthouse tracking untill inside out can outperform base stations.

[@mixedrealityTV]

You can ahso bring it to another room! :)

[@Dj-Mccullough]

@@mixedrealityTV lol i have a lighthouse 1.0 set in the livingroom for that pcs vr setup. A 2.0 for the index in our bedroom, and my old vive for the spare rooms vr setup. 3 setups. Again i guess im a bad example for the virtues of "base station free" life.

[@brianboucher4248]

I use reading glasses when on my PC and playing PC games. Will I have to wear my glasses when using the Reverb G2 in car racing sims?

[@r1pperduck]

I haven't used a proper vr headset, but when i had the gear vr, i could see much better without my contacts in. But im nearsighted, so you could be different.

[@adrianstealth340]

Thanks for vid

[@MntRprznt]

Are the G2 preorders available in the EU? I saw the US site, but they dont ship... Any idea?

[@charzy11]

I think the 144 hz refresh rate on the Index is going to really shine with next gen gpu’s

[@harf4ng]

OK so g2 display is sharper. But how sharp is the valve index anyway ? Is it good enough for flight sims ? As I prefer the tracking of the index and most important the controllers. I like the idea to have those controllers mimic my hands. Allows better interaction, if the devs will handle that. For now I have the first htc vive headset.

[@-Twotonepony-]

Eh, I've pretty much made a relatively simple system for bringing VR along with the lighthouses to play at a friend's place. It's doesn't have to be as much of a hassle as you'd think if you just take some time to think of the best way to carry it around. Though I'd be interested in using the G2 headset with lighthouses and two steam controller dongles to make my knuckles work with it.

[@rtyzxc]

Index being better in most areas, more accurate tracking, higher refresh rate, larger FOV, will bring overall better experience for enthusiasts when pure action and smoothness is concerned. Reverb G2 seems like it will have greatly improved audio and comfort compared to current competitors other than index, and very sharp image, and has cheaper tracking and controllers for budget in mind, on the other hand it will also require a ton of GPU power to run. Will likely be left behind in terms of FOV with future competitors.

[@Alucard9692010]

how does the REVERB track when you have your head above your head ?

[@yournextdoorgamerwithgames2945]

Here’s an annoy question I can’t find the answer to, is 1080 the minimum requirements, or the ideal. I currently have. 1070 to, would rather keep this than upgrade, especially I don’t have to.

[@progressivelife8365]

When are you receiving the G2 from HP for review?

[@KhyrisEidan]

Which one would someone recommend for a beginner to get?

[@CringeOfCzech]

Since the g2 is pretty similar to the g1, I wanna know if you can see the screen door effect on the g1, or if it is not visible, like can you watch videos in 1080p? I have htc vive and the screen door effect is terrible and i can only watch videos 1m from me in 480p because there is no difference when i put the resolution higher.

[@remphey]

I have the Valve Index and I am not going to get the G2. I mean yes, better screens but I don't want to give up my controllers, better tracking, better design, wider FOV, 144Hz for the screen itself. I might buy it after I got my rtx card, ps5, xbox sx. And I mean that you can bring your Headset to friends is kind of useless. I have no friends.

[@t0xicsimon]

ur rich donate me some

[@danifadriansyah]

lol, Sebastian keep emphasizing the "one hundred and fourteeeennn"

[@mixedrealityTV]

Haha, true. Because last year people understood 140 when I said 114... :)

[@jerryhatfield1404]

@@mixedrealityTV You should mention "One One Four" just to make it clearer. LOL.

[@cvoiceofficial]

@@mixedrealityTV I heard 140 this time as well. I just assumed you were saying 114 though after a few seconds.

[@XpVersusVista]

@@cvoiceofficial that is a you-problem however. hearing 140 instead of 114 with his very intense intonation just means you are either hearing-impaired, or you are not really listening.

[@mrpuggie2k7]

Does the face gaskets from the index work with g2? Are they interchangeable?

[@D.Enniss]

Index without a doubt. Screen refresh rate is more important than resolution. Index also has higher FoV, better tracking, and way better controllers.

[@tripiecz]

You'll never be able to wipe your ass in VR if you opt for a WMR headset.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Lol!

[@speedtriprr537]

Subscribed!

[@bobbymkd457]

IPD is the real question here! Is it working for people with higher IPD or is it useless like the Rift S?

[@jeff-hd9og]

it has an adjustable ipd :)

[@nmpnmp3641]

MRTV...they didn't happen to mention if there are any progression made with focusing on close-up items in VR? Any headset to have this problem solved will have my attention...

[@pumpuppthevolume]

it's a normal setup nothing on the market for that yet ....well unless u have presbyopia then vr is sharper then the real world and u don't have that problem oculus research had an old demo of a way to reduce it ...or the other way is the old nvidia light field display but that has other problems

[@runadumb]

Having used the Quest I just can't go back to base stations. No inside out tracking is a real downside to the index in my opinion. I don't care if the tracking is "better" on the index when I had no issues with the tracking on the quest

[@imnotitalian8522]

Can you buy the bay stations and controllers from the index and use them with the hp reverb g2?

[@nxy6123]

Technically yes. BUT you have to calibrate the 2 playspaces because the G2 cannot be tracked through the base stations so it uses its own inside out tracking and you have to sync those 2 spaces to match up for it to work. So it is possible yes.

[@simonfil2]

Honestly the 144hz didn't make as big a difference as I thought. I only turn it on when playing beat saber. In all other games I would rather have a bit more super sampling, which does make a difference.

[@camulodunon]

Does anyone else think that this guy's accent goes perfectly well with VR?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Haha...omg, that is new!!! German accent goes well with VR? Amazing!!!

[@agrt4889]

I don’t see the link you said you’d post about how to pair the tracking of the Vive contróleles with the G2 reverb

[@adrianstealth340]

Does he have actual headset ?

[@MrMetaloholic]

If he had,. this video would make some Sense.

[@saintkamus14]

nope, pretty misleading IMO.

[@mixedrealityTV]

This video makes a lot of sense. Not everyone is a VR enthusiast like you and me. In this video people will learn about the differences of the two headsets so they can make an educated purchasing decision.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Dear Kamus, this headset was just announced, on this channel btw. I wish I had one and I will get one early. Until then, this video will be very helpful for people to find out what the differences are!

[@swishasweetrold]

@@saintkamus14 Its not misleading at all its not out.

[@visiblur]

I cancelled my Oculus Rift S for the G2, I'd have to wait just as long for the Rift S, so it's a no-brainer

[@t0xicsimon]

good choice, rift s quality is doo doo (I have it)

[@visiblur]

@@t0xicsimon I tried my friends Rift S this weekend and it seemed meh. Picture quality wasn't that good and it got really hot. Not super comfortable either.

[@t0xicsimon]

@@jakethebarcode quest and rift s poo poo G2 and index on top

[@visiblur]

@@jakethebarcode If you buy a quest for PC VR, I have to question your brain capacity. If you are a casual user and don't have a powerful PC, then I agree.

[@moncimoov]

@@t0xicsimon sold it

[@LarsAgerbk]

That's a clear winner.

[@West_Bros_Racing]

I thought you were saying 140 fov the whole time. I looked it up and saw it was 114.

[@garrysarre8744]

I'd love to get either, they will not sell them in Australia though. Crazy.

[@sichtbarfurallenutzer779]

Hp reverb g2 with Index Controller works ?

[@j.m9047]

I think this headset is supposed to be the middle ground between people who want a high-end headset but don't want to buy a Facebook product which was what the Vive Cosmos tried to do but failed.

[@laronda10]

Ugh i those screens sound good but I'm not paying 600+ for inside out tracking unless they start allowing the base stations to compensate for the lost tracking

[@bartzuccala5250]

Thank you for the mini review. Looking forward to the complete comparison once the G2 is received. I have had the valve index order for over 2 months and it still says 5 more weeks and that figure hasn't changed for over 3 weeks. I think I will give the Pimax Artisan a shot when it becomes available, maybe in July.

[@mixedrealityTV]

The Artisan is a really cool headset as well! Absolutely enjoying mine!

[@socks2441]

every time i hear the words 'coming up' ANYWHERE in life these days i hear this guys voice, lol.

[@mixedrealityTV]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[@socks2441]

@@mixedrealityTV haha 👍

[@redgle862]

Such a difficult choice hahaha.. which is better, more fps and wider fov, or better resolution?

[@mixedrealityTV]

That's the question!

[@Johnny_Thunder]

Twice as much resolution is far better than slightly more fov and fps. 90 fps is fine

[@TheGameGuruTv]

Audio, Video, Manual IPD Adj., those are going to be way better than Rift S, but is tracking, controllers and comfort going to be on par, not shure... Also US only at first, big bummer.

[@justflyit7569]

I've got both Hpreverb and Index. It's always so difficult to switch from HP to Index and it's just impossible if we're talking about simulators. Index's resolution and God rays are so horrible comparing to Reverb!!! If HP has the same hand tracking to play let's say Half-Lifr Alyx, I would sell my Index immediately!

[@gingersnaps7186]

Do you think Reverb is better for sims than the Index? I mean is the Index's 120 Hz and wider field of view still not a challenge for how good reverbs resolution is?

[@_Dibbler_]

Go through the comments of this video. You can use Lighthouse with the Reverb

[@justflyit7569]

@@gingersnaps7186 I've got no doubts on this. Since I've got them all, it's absolutely clear to me. There is just a tiny difference in FOV in fact. 120Hz? Well 2080Ti is not allowing you to have even 90 fps in most of simulators, that's why it kicks down fps to 45 applying a reprogection. With 120HZ you'll need to have around 60 of rock solid fps to meet the criteria. By the way, playing Alyx and Bone work with Index in both 90 and 120HZ, I can't really see that much of the difference. I rather be having much more clarity resolution wise, and no God rays.

[@justflyit7569]

@@_Dibbler_ Thank you! I'll check it out!

[@gingersnaps7186]

@@justflyit7569 thanks for the reply. Makes sense to me. I'm planning on buying the 3080ti later this year and just want to max out clarity as much as possible. If can get 90 Hz with a great resolution I'm happy.

[@christosbinos8467]

Such a high resolution without foveated rendering... You'd need a minimum 2070 Super MAYBE an overclocked 5700XT to power that thing. Ideally a 2080ti. Why would they even bother not having foveated rendering?

[@dinopereira84]

Disappointed with the FOV, being a supposed 2nd gen unit I don't see any improvement, it's just like they fixed the previous one so it's more like a gen 1.5.

[@esmokebaby]

I've been searching Google but can't find an answer so I figured you may know what makes a game hardly compatible with Windows mixed reality because I noticed some games that don't support Windows mixed reality still work but they are janky is it a development side of things a graphics engine side or what?

[@esmokebaby]

Also when a game lags and goes into steam VR and back to game multiple times but still plays the game is that poor performance issue with a 980 or the fact I'm using wmr headset ( the game is contractors)

[@leaderface6437]

Still waiting for a real 4K dual Oled or microled screen 120 Hz & wide FOV. And the posibility of using it wireless (lowering quality) and standalone too will make it perfect. (I don´t expect it to happen untill a year or two anyway). And I don´t understand why Microsoft negate VR in the new Xbox..... It would be so easy to gain buyers announcing Half Life Alyx with the first titles on launch...... Let´s see what Samsung have to disclose. Any NDA from Samsung near to expire, Seb?

[@ellankim8317]

What make you think samsung gonna do that and sell to only rich people?

[@pastrie42]

I can't wait to see the tracking. If the tracking is as good as quest, I'm in. If not, I'm out. Actually...I lied. If the headset is amazing I'll probably buy lighthouse with knuckles and use them with reverb g2.

[@buggylama]

I don't think you can use lighthouse tracking or Knuckles controllers with Reverb or other WMR headsets, or the Oculus Quest or Rift S. You can use them with PImax, and probably Vive (I don't know about knuckles with Vive). Sebestian shouldn't have loved your comment IMO, because you are spouting bad intelligence, misinformation, etc. about controller compatibility. Perhaps you were joking and we are not in on the joke.

[@mixedrealityTV]

I will let you know!

[@buggylama]

@@mixedrealityTV Really!!!!

[@Ken_1971]

@buggy lama Then you obviously didn´t watch this video tutorial from Sweviver where he describes how to combine both systems ( WMR Headsets and Lighthousetracking ) It is possible ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5Oneah7oNukkMU

[@socks2441]

if the tracking is comparable to rift s then 199% i would get the reverb g2 over the index. not that interested in the index controllers, lighthouse sounds like a bit of a hassle and 144hz... i can barely run decent settings at 90hz as it is. (that being said 144hz with reprojection therefore rendering at half fps which is 72fps may actually look better than 90..? game dependent. would be at least as good as the quest in theory, but feeling like 144hz). anyway, back on topic. and the reverb has the high resolution screens im after, would be brilliant for sim racing and if controller tracking is ok will be at least as good as my current wmr lenovo explorer for shooting games/ non sim racing vr content. so perfect for me. also its cheaper. i would sorely sorely sorely miss my flip up visor though. if i see it on sale i will very likely upgrade actually. as long as controller tracking is improved over my current wmr.

[@RicoBdk]

Lighthouse tracking, the controllers, 130fov and 120/144 fps.. Its a nobrainer.. And hp lied to us.. Its not a "No compromises" headset...

[@mixedrealityTV]

The Index is truly a wonderful headset. But the G2 also looks promising. I will check it out once it is out.

[@X-VoodooKing-X]

Of course the controller won't win against the Index controller. It's an alternative to the Index controller.

[@ViktorFerenczi]

"Connection cannot ship this product outside the 50 United States and its territories." - God damn it HP...

[@gear323]

On the index you can adjust the IPD but you can ALSO adjust the distance of the lenses to your eyes.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Oh you are right, I missed that. I will let people know in my real comparison video once I have the device.

[@IBadmagicI]

68 mm max for IPD? for the love of god they are getting lower?

[@EroUsagiSama]

They didn't even bother adding rechargeable batteries to the new controllers...

[@Shadow__133]

90Hz vs 120??? My 1080 ti can’t even get past 53 fps, I don’t think that matters.

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

What games? I run a Vive pro (basically a index) on a gtx 1080 with no drops below 80. Usually about 90-100fps in half life alyx on max graphics.

[@nxy6123]

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 basically a index?! Its really not that compareable.

[@kudosbudo]

Welp can't get the g2 pre order outside the US so index it is...

[@viveksajnani]

Great video man, really appreciate the efforts taken by you. Can you please advise will the HP REVERB G2 work on Laptops with MINI DISPLAY PORT V.1.2 ,as their requirements state for a V 1.3???? Also, i have used a Valve Index on a GTX 1060 6 GB, will Hp reverb g2 run on GTX 1060 6 GB??. Thanks in advance

[@jdogfunk100]

Which is better for adult content?

[@t0xicsimon]

if u wanna see more index, if you wanna see it clearer hp

[@Ad3tr]

Why are people comparing the Index and Reverb? Compare it to the Rift S, which is destroys. Compare it to the most popular headset.

[@mixedrealityTV]

I will, good point.

[@Ad3tr]

@@mixedrealityTV Yeah, I understand why you would compare them, I just think a lot of new people would consider this when they see how many advantages it has over the Rift S. Hopefully the half resolution mode looks good too.

[@shanx5844]

Actually HP officially compare G2 with Rift S on it's website. I have Rift S and will upgrade it to Reverb G2 for much better picture quality. But I think it's unfair to compare those two. Rift S is designed for most people, with $399 price point and can run well on most popular GPU GTX1060 which is much lower than the minimum GPU requirement of Reverb.

[@Ad3tr]

Shan X The reverb works in half resolution mode. There’s no reason you have to have a super computer and it means it’ll be future proofed. That would be a bad decision to get a worse headset, including on comfort and audio, just because your PC isn’t as powerful.

[@akillerdrummeryo]

how is hp r2 vs odssey +?

[@nxy6123]

The G2 is another dimension in quality.