Ellen Pompeo & Katherine Heigl | Actors on Actors

In their Actors on Actors conversation, Ellen Pompeo ('Grey's Anatomy') and Katherine Heigl ('Firefly Lane') reunite on camera for the first time since Heigl's exit from 'Grey's Anatomy,' where they discuss the early days of the show and the controversy around Heigl's exit. Ellen Pompeo reveals how she felt during Meredith's goodbye episode of Grey's and if she will reappear on the show, and Katherine talks about working through the heavier moments in 'Firefly Lane.'
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[@musicvideowatcher23]

this is Katherine’s well deserved renaissance.

[@mione134]

I agree. She was unfairly treated after she spoke her mind and honestly told the truth. She didn't think she deserved to be nominated due to the material she was given. And as Greys fan it was the truth.

[@cardoclarke2494]

​@Mione134 No she was being ubsufferable

[@mione134]

@@cardoclarke2494 no, she wasnt

[@shahartley]

@@cardoclarke2494 Yes she was, but it seems she has matured.

[@cardoclarke2494]

@@shahartley you're right, I'm still watching. Time does change ppl. She seems to be in a good head space

[@meganhayes1931]

“19 seasons, I’m surprised there wasn’t a giraffe” girl was so done with greys 😂

[@ronnie-lynn]

She has made comments similar to this for several years now

[@armanipitts2994]

😭😭😭cause I thought they was throwing shade too

[@surefireshore]

"It's not a career worth having if you're bending all the time." I love Katherine Heigl. Such an inspiring woman.

[@jenkenj]

I feel like the best of Izzie came out in that moment. Gave me goosebumps

[@Mia-re6zg]

I'm on a career hiatus rt nw. This is exactly the reason why I'd rather lose the job.

[@isabellam1936]

She’s a legendary diva on set though

[@Screamr2024]

''all the time'' meaning she bent how many times then? 🤔...those movie roles don't come from talent most times but what you DO on that casting couch and in those special rooms you get called to, at around 1am, 2am and 3am. Harvey Weinstein would explain this better 😂

[@musicbeyondwithboushra]

​@@Screamr2024well seems you're experienced in the field. Apparently you've been in the same room as her to accuse her of that

[@avantedestinos]

As someone who grew up with Grey's and watched it from season one, I will never forget the emotional depth Heigl gave to Izzie. I will also never forget how bad she had it... She was canceled before cancel culture ever existed and just labeled a "bitch" for simply being a strong woman. Thank God she seemed to have turned things around and here's to hoping she will continue to deliver her unparalleled acting skills for many years to come.

[@ensabahnur3104]

Cancelled...she didn't stop working. Life as we know it, killers, new years eve, did no one watched these, starring roles in movies people.

[@joselynlopez5925]

What happened to her that she got canceled??

[@EmilyJahn]

@@joselynlopez5925 she was called out for being "rude" on set. But she advocated for herself, and walked away from work when she wasn't treated well.

[@ikheetjason]

@@EmilyJahn she denied an emmy nomination saying that the writing wasnt good enough lol

[@iloveminjeong01]

And thats her opinion​@@ikheetjason

[@Liazyy]

Such a genuine and honest conversation. I love how Ellen and Katherine are unapologetically themselves.

[@Noah-kh4lm]

Who put this lady's together needs a raise is like couch therapy katherine she's right where's my flowers Ellen

[@vintagemxer1846]

"unapologetic" is a nice way of calling someone a bi*ch

[@maddyyy205]

@@vintagemxer1846not all the time, you’re stretching

[@maddyyy205]

@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist2 get a life

[@nathwallis8685]

​@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ GOD BLESS EVERYONE EVERYONE'S FAMILIES AND LOVE ONES!

[@NIVEA815]

20 years of Grey's Anatomy and Katherine Heigl is still the only actress who won an Emmy from the show. I know that must really piss off the people who fired her.

[@jennasittler3142]

Pretty sure Sandra oh also won

[@pb.j.1753]

She truly was the best performer on the series. Effortlessly brought depth and vulnerability to Izzy.

[@truelies2667]

​@@jennasittler3142 Sandra Oh never won an Emmy. After 20 years, Heigl is still the only series regular with an Emmy award till today

[@gavalleso]

She wasn't fired, she just doesn't want to come back to the show.

[@thomasmason-rk9yq]

I think Sandra oh got a golden globe for it.

[@grackla1384]

Ellen says such a beautiful and true thing at 49:15 “Nobody likes a confident woman. Theyd rather you be a woman looking for your confidence than you actually be a confident woman. Because that makes them nervous.” PREACH!!🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@hawj1212]

yeah but as the star of the show, she didnt defend katherin th

[@gr_dude5864]

@@hawj1212exactly

[@danerook]

No. It just turns men off.

[@soph627]

@@danerook who gives a fuck, a women does not live life to please a "man".

[@aralynnrose8924]

Needed to hear this it's so true, my confidence is always torn down by men

[@user-vj4sy2op6z]

Is it just me or Katherine DESERVES her own Late Night show? I will totally watch it

[@lisanicolegreiner6204]

She did a good job.

[@MShaiqable]

YES! The Girlfriend Hour!

[@ashleyruby4351]

@@MShaiqable haha I was about to say the same

[@nheslie1701]

She's Tully Hart 😅

[@WingedGirlV]

Let her take Drew's spot

[@Kekerussles]

I wish Sandra Oh was also featured on this interview, it would have been awesome to see all the 3 women who started the show together in conversation. It is an amazing exchange though, I loved every bit of it.

[@barbaraladouceur6305]

Me too! I loved Oh's character the most. Miss her hugely 😢

[@lupita377]

Yesssss

[@ventonventon]

❤❤❤

[@SuperNintendoChalmers_]

Yessss the twisted sisters

[@jazzinikki01]

Yes!

[@fade5889]

Katherine deserves an apology from the world… Ellen was right she was ahead of their time

[@adrielathome]

LITERALLY. They should create an scapegoat award for her. Because they really did her dirty in the media back then...

[@hotstuff400]

@@adrielathome Ellen only became vocal now that she's done with GA. When she didn't really give a damn back then.

[@mashturamanzur6500]

agreed!! 👏🏽👏🏽

[@charlieflickinger7372]

@@hotstuff400 You are 100% correct and it's very very aggravating.

[@hotstuff400]

@@charlieflickinger7372 yeah thats why i dont and never will like her!

[@ariannaventi4424]

FACT: Majority of Grey’s iconic scenes involve Izzie and that giant pink ball gown. It was that Season 2 Finale with Izzie, Denny and Alex (with Chasing Cars song) that sealed the deal for Grey’s Anatomy and promoted it from popular to phenomenal. Also, don’t forget the Season 5 elevator scene with Izzie and George wearing his army uniform. Heigl is one hellava actress.

[@ImTheGirlAtHome]

Her crying over Denny's body still haunts me to this day 😢 Her cries were so real.

[@ariannaventi4424]

@@ImTheGirlAtHome Girl, I highly recommend Firefly Lane. It’s Heigl’s best work to date. Just when you thought she’s done and won’t be able to top her iconic Grey’s Anatomy scenes, she came back swinging like a wrecking ball in Firefly Lane. She deserves another Emmy for playing Tully Hart.

[@ImTheGirlAtHome]

@@ariannaventi4424 omg really? Adding it to my watchlist now! I have no doubt she'll be great in it, she's a phenomenal actress.

[@ISN-ir5gw]

Very well said. That scene is at another level. And watching her on Suits, it was completely different character and the way she portrayed it. Just wowwww

[@janniehansen455]

I am only on season 7 but I miss her already. I feel I am losing interest in the show after she vent out

[@0KellieCollins0]

Awe, it’s so beautiful to see Ellen protecting Katherine so confidently. I hated the way media portrayed her. It’s such a beautiful story they’ve shared. I’m thankful we got to watch them reconnect. It’s emotional for some reason.

[@JesseNunez25]

katherine Heigl is an icon, she deserves a second chance. Ellen thank you for recognizing that.

[@rebecabpg]

I loved how Ellen validated her. I think with time and experience Ellen has also gained a lot of understanding for what happened and Im glad to see her validating KH.

[@edum.6353]

yeah I remember Heigl was said to be "difficult to work with" and I kinda accepted she was a btch but I guess theres some sexism involved??? Can you explain?

[@nickimorelli9991]

@@edum.6353 It was not sexism it was unprofessional plain & simple. KH came to another actor's defense when he was being bullied for being gay. She was hailed a hero which she really was. But then she started complaining about the long hours and other things on set she did not like. OK. But then she came out and denounced the writers because she thought she deserved a better storyline. It was an ensemble show. It could not be all about Izzie all the time. So she became viewed as problematic but rightfully so on some level. If she was that unhappy she had many other options, including the choice to quit. Biting the hand that feeds you is never the way to go about it.

[@truelies2667]

@@nickimorelli9991 She didn't bite any hand. She worked to feed herself. And she literally complimented her colleagues for having a better material than her. And now leave Heigl out of your mouth

[@edum.6353]

@@nickimorelli9991 good to know, not a victim not a villain

[@damn0705]

Katherine is actually a huge inspiration for women in any bussiness and was ahead of her time standing up for herself and in some ways demanding respect. She’s such a brilliant actress, she deserved more. How many men spoke against bad scripts, directors, writers or whatever and were cancelled after that for it? Everybody likes tough men, but when a woman is “tough” she’s overbearing and difficult. Bullshit

[@thevintagevixen268]

@damn 070 No, what is bullshit is to think you "demand" respect. You don't. The only way to get respect it to earn it. HUGE difference. But many of you spoiled entitled man bashing brats do not understand that.

[@itzbp9949]

Ahh yes another person that hates men

[@briandafrancies8841]

​@snailmail2135 Johnny Depp situation was WAY different then what she's talking about. Everybody loves Johnny & if him or any men bring up certain topics like Katherine did nobody will cancel them or take them out. They listen to them change it & move on. Different for women.

[@briandafrancies8841]

Preach! I love her as a person & actress. She's an amazing strong woman I miss her on greys & what's funny the rest of the actors actually talked & brought up on camera exactly what Katherine had said & not a damn thing did they react or do to them, just her. She deserved better

[@patticakescreates2795]

@@snailmail2135what are you talking about 😅

[@geegeezlouis86]

I've always been in the "Katherine Heigl did nothing wrong" camp; I'm not a stan or anything but I've defended her a lot to friends and am always happy to see her thriving. Ellen is right that she was ahead of the curve - I think people would be a lot more receptive to what she had to say if that period of her life were happening today.

[@hollywoodshopaholic]

Agreed. I would hear about the episodes that got her blacklisted and… they just didn’t seem that bad? I liked that she was honest about what she wanted. She got a little too big for her britches but not enough to warrant being completely blacklisted like she was.

[@geegeezlouis86]

@@hollywoodshopaholic I honestly don't think she got too big for her britches - being honest about the writing on Grey's by not wanting her name submitted for Emmy consideration, and calling a Judd Apatow -- you know, the boy's club director (and I say this as someone who's generally enjoyed his work) -- movie sexist is just, like, integrity? The Emmys thing was a bit rude but c'mon, Shonda is notorious for making shows that start pretty good and then quickly go off the rails, to the point where I can't bear starting a new Shonda show because I know I'll get burned no matter how much I enjoy the first season. Saying what we're all thinking is not being too big for your britches.

[@hollywoodshopaholic]

@@geegeezlouis86 She and her momager would demand much higher salaries for her films than what even bigger stars would ask for. She had only just become an It Girl at that point and most of the public still didn’t know who she was, but she thought she was a much bigger power player than she actually was. Overestimating your public influence IS called being too big for your britches.

[@brandyrea2242]

😮😊😮😮😊😮😊😮😮😊😮😮 37:35 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😊😊😊 37:35 😊😊😊😊😮😮

[@jg6264]

Omg dying over the fan story… “do you know Izzy? Are you her mom?” “How old are you?” “I’m 17!!” “Goooooo away” lmao 🤣

[@feliciahaglerucagentoran00jobd]

or is she fkn not tired lf ring of b ying sin d k8t ed?!

[@deannaburgart9171]

My favourite moment!!! I love her!

[@thesuniscold]

I immediately thought of the blonde in Bridesmaids “GET AWAY FROM ME”

[@xiamariansupreme72]

I bet Katherine was rwally thinking "Little girl, you'd better get TF away from me with this bullshit, cause I'ma whoop your ass in a second."😂

[@prophetessoftroy]

I loved the way Katherine gently disagreed with Ellen about intimacy coordinators and shared her experience. Such an elegant way of having a different opinion.

[@sophiebee25]

a very adult conversation where they both got to speak their mind without drama.

[@prophetessoftroy]

@@tcrump212IsLmbrJck_t right about 42:00 is the conversation about intimacy coordinators. It’s part of the larger conversation about stress on sets and the exploitative nature of a lot of what actors are asked to do, particularly young actors, that starts at about 40:10. Hope that helps!

[@harrywirrelson9628]

I mean they both gave different sides of the argument. They weren’t really disagreeing. They seemed aware of the positives and negatives of intimacy coordinators. The discussion just resulted in them giving alternate perspectives. Ellen did say “the intention behind it is good” and “the execution is sometimes weird”

[@PurushaDesa]

Hugh Grant and Colin Farrell also aired a slight disagreement in their convo, which was about whether acting should emphasise audience entertainment or artistry for its own sake.

[@leoneljaramillo6710]

Interesting

[@snbyrk459]

Katherine Heigl faced so much crap from people back in the day, was called a bitch and a diva for just wanting to be respected in her work environment. Love that she didn't give up on herself.

[@mione134]

Agreed! And the worst part was, she was right! She was absolutely correct about the Emmy situation. And they all came after her. Nowadays, if an actress said what Katie said, nobody would have an issue

[@jamariareese481]

She was ahead of the times with what people do not in this social media generation. Props to her for speaking up at a time where it wasn't "trendy" to.

[@hotstuff400]

@@jamariareese481 im sorry did Ellen say Katherine was ahead of her time? which part did she say it? thankyou :)))

[@ninagreenshields7185]

@@hotstuff400 47:55

[@normantwoey3293]

Katherine Heigl was absolutely incredible in “Firefly Lane.” That show was perfection from Episode 1 through to the end.

[@ElizabethBarrett]

Omg I just finished the second season. Absolutely incredible show

[@jbuggie4086]

Why can’t I seem to get into that show?

[@sangvoba4340]

ok

[@MShaiqable]

YEEEESSS!!!

[@THEDOORIZCLOSED]

@@jbuggie4086cuz its boring asf. I couldnt even finish the first episode

[@e11esounds]

I feel cheated of the many years of Heigl we’ll never get back because she was ahead of her time in being a fearless and outspoken woman.

[@isabellajane5644]

So many actor's would've backtracked their statements if faced with the same amount of criticism Katherine received. Even after 15+ years and essentially being blacklisted from the industry, she's remained unapologetic. She's truly a pioneer for demanding a higher standard for women in the workplace, especially when voicing adverse opinions.

[@tmcbgrrl0074]

yes, KH was pitted as the 'bad guy' when in fact, she never was. she just stood up for herself and for the others that follow

[@ginao6810]

If a man had done what Katherine did…. A Hero.

[@katarinaramos97]

It’s so disappointing to see women labeled in a negative way when we speak up for ourselves. Especially by other women.

[@blackspider1405]

No she isnt. Many, many, MANY women before her have done the exact same thing. While I applaud her for taking a stand, she's no pioneer.

[@truelies2667]

​@@blackspider1405No, they didn't like Heigl. Heigl was ahead of her time and she fought for healthy work conditions all alone and now be quiet for a lifetime

[@stephaniesargeant1331]

I imagine it must be difficult for Katherine to listen to Ellen being so vocal and bold about certain things when it’s the very reason why she basically lost her career in the first place. A lot of people would’ve never made the reconnection and held resentment and anger etc. it’s beautiful to see these two women speaking so candidly about such a formative shared experience!

[@clovebooksdiva]

I thought this too! Very gracious of her!

[@mione134]

I agree.

[@Anna-ko4hq]

Wait how was she the reason? I thought the network and show runner were the reason for her leave?

[@mione134]

@Anna Katie spoke up about not feeling like she deserved an Emmy nomination due to the quality of her work, which at the time her storylines weren't great. So she asked to be taken out of the running. Shonda and co, felt slighted that she said that. And it opened up a floodgate situation that essentially got her fired. It was ridiculous, especially now when women can speak up and disagree and critique their work or show. Katie didn't get to do that at the time and was labeled difficult and it's sad.

[@mione134]

@@Anna-ko4hq see response below :)

[@Rifs123]

Katherine deserves an Emmy for her performance in Firefly Lane!

[@andrear2184]

I love that this one is almost double the length of the other interviews. Such depth, rich history. Two incredible women and actors!

[@lightworks3172]

I love that Ellen is in a space where she can poke fun at how ridiculous some of the moments on the show were. She’s not holding back and you can tell Katherine is holding back. Makes sense why.

[@nanasakvarelidze9148]

why? could you please elaborate? Thank you

[@Shaye.J]

​@Nana Sakvarelidze kathryn heigl was bashed through the media for speaking her mind about negative things about greys anatomy, like Isaiah Washington or harsh working conditions on set. She rarely held back her tongue about those things and was labeled difficult to work with or egotistical (supposedly around the time of winning her first emmy for the show). Pompeo has no problem doing things like that.

[@meghasinghaniahmu]

@@Shaye.J Because Ellen would not face any backlash like Katherine did!

[@amber.ren_1995]

@@Shaye.J But she did just talk about she didn’t of course go into deep detail but it was so obvious that what it was she talking about when she mentioned her “soap box” and “mega-phone” so she did and she even admitted to it about how she let herself be a victim to the rejection she got. She saying that she knows now what she didn’t know then.

[@briannaatzearn7793]

@@amber.ren_1995 that was actually my favorite part of the whole video. I wanted her to go more in depth, but loved loved loved the part her when she says she started trusting herself again when it came to who she actually is! So powerful. I feel like with all the rumors, they never really gave examples of how she was "difficult" or "ungrateful". Now Ellen is applauded for maybe even that same attitude.

[@christpoetry]

this was everything. so happy this happened and Katherine got to tell her story and take back the narrative 🫶

[@Revive.30]

Please bring Izzy back- she has stories to tell and deserves an apology and a chance to shine again on that show. Doesn’t have to be a long engagement- but a correct one

[@butzimperial2317]

True. I've always been on Heigl 's side.

[@selinakyle9606]

Zoom

[@jeanetteking434]

@@butzimperial2317me too. I’ve never even seen the show. But you know Katherine Heigl has integrity and honesty. I never liked Seth Rogen and Judd Apatao after they bashed her. Man children.

[@ISN-ir5gw]

They have not brought her back but have shown her ending on the show with Alex. :)

[@lunaperita]

ellen's voice is everything, very iconic and hasnt changed for years

[@emmanuelgoa]

I loved this. Now I wish all the other original Actors would also do this. Including Sandra Oh, T.R Knight, Patrick Dempsey, Chandra Wilson, James Pickens, and Justin Chambers. It would be amazing if they were all together here, and sharing their experience on Grey's Anatomy.

[@carriew5106]

This was a fantastic interview. Katherine gets the redemption she so deserves and Ellen shows she why she gets paid as much as she does. Its fascinating as there are usually two types of leaders when it comes to change, those that break free and call it out (Katherine) and those that work within the system (Ellen). Both have pros and cons. Both can be successful. Katherine was the catalyst for change on the show, Ellen was the reinforcement.

[@JeffSans]

Nicely put😊

[@1Nida]

Very well said🏆

[@leenagurung8375]

THIS

[@marciaromanoff1805]

😊

[@genaew5283]

@@JeffSansI

[@isabelramirez4906]

I never thought I would see Katherine and Ellen together again 😭

[@chazharris]

I don't think Ellen and Katie really had an issue with each other, it's Shonda and Katherine I'd quite like to see settle things.

[@ElMensajero-hs4qz]

Because Ellen backstabbed her ? Maybe

[@ElMensajero-hs4qz]

@@chazharris ye they did. Ellen was a hypocrite

[@truelies2667]

@@ElMensajero-hs4qz Yep and if I was Katherine I would never talked to Pompus ever again

[@Cindypisces]

@@truelies2667 I think Ellenv did kind of Haphazardly apologized to Katie. I could be wrong, but I remember seeing an article where Ellen was saying you know Katherine was right. About the long hours and about being quite underpaid etc. I mean, I know Katherine spoke out about a lot of other stuff too.

[@sadiyaalmani]

“But who are you? Who are you without all the opinions of who you are?” This right here is it. A lot of us don’t even know who we are because of other people. We are a different person to different people and we allow opinions of other define us. Taking a step back and tuning all the noise to look inwards and think about yourself, makes all the difference. Learning yourself for yourself fixes a need to give anyone a different version. Everyone gets one version, whether they like it or not because you no longer care about being liked or what they have to say about you.

[@HollaBlackGrrl]

I really love Katherine in Firefly Lane! I almost don't want to call it a performance--feels like she's tapping into a very real part of her (and many of us) who is internally deeply vulnerable/wanting love but somehow just a tad more courageous & bold than yoked to the validation of others! Love how she brought Tully to life

[@virgoqueen8950]

Just finished binge watching and I loved it

[@User12345fan]

She’s an amazing actress

[@Notbonitabutstressita]

“There’s two role roles women fit into. The victim or villain. People will only see you as one thing. And the women who are victims are only victims because they don’t have the guts to be the villain.” PREACH, ELLEN!!

[@DEM3TER]

Ellen was so right for that, and you can see it now; how so many popular (or it girls) female celebrities are so praised one day and then if they make the smallest mistake everyone suddenly hates her.

[@tammy3545]

Amazing statement. I wholeheartedly agree.

[@meeritic7565]

FUCK YES !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@wildoranges]

that's just straight up victim blaming??

[@wildoranges]

@@meeritic7565 why do you think it's okay to blame victims?

[@TimeBucks]

Can’t believe this happened

[@travelbagshort]

Very nice 👍👍👍👍👍

[@RanaHaseeb-ci3pq]

Very nice

[@sachinnath770]

Very nice

[@LuchiaSangma-rd1ok]

👍

[@Riaz977]

Good 👍

[@TropicalMariahLover]

Heigl as Izzie is one of the most iconic roles of my generation. I look at some of her scenes on Grey’s sometimes and I feel everything I felt when I was 15. She was blackballed so unfairly. Just a woman who couldn’t be silenced. And execs hate that. She was dangerous to their structure and that’s why she was the “bad guy”. She is such an amazing actress and the show lost a lot of heart when they wrote her out.

[@saraho7283]

idk if it was just me but when she started to speak about the young women in this industry towards the end - that passion in her voice & her face reminded me so much of Izzie 🥲🥺

[@PattyCakes-6814]

The original cast in those early seasons were just golden. They truly had something special and it was magic. I used to love watching Grey's but honestly i stopped watching long ago but i often rewatch those early seasons. As for Katherine, because she played Isabel Evans on Roswell, and i absolutely loved that show and all those characters, it truly holds a special place in my heart to this day, i will always respect her craft.

[@ginao6810]

Those first 5 seasons are magic (pun intended). There is something so specific about the first 5 seasons. The original cast, the feeling, the writing the storyline’s ❤

[@darren7737]

Meridith Alex George Izzie George (magic). Pun solved.

[@mindlr84]

@@darren7737 Meredith Alex George Izzie Christina*

[@imdva]

i always said season 10 would've been a great one to end it off on. honestly i wasnt even fully mad that they kept going on with april and jackson, but now its really not the same show anymore. it feels so fake now idk thats just me

[@user-su5lb4we2y]

In the beginning there was integrity, then it developed into a soap opera. Should have stopped many seasons ago. Shame how so many want to hang on and gain many many seasons.

[@dwe2a]

Katherine was the Gen Z of the original Grey's. She stood up for herself, she demanded respect, she refused to be another cog in the wheel. She was bold, and unapologetic before it was ok for women to do that. She still is, all of those things but still a very humble person who recognizes her growth, maturity and autonomy. This is a phenomenal conversation that displays deep respect for one another, even though they were treated so differently.

[@mel3687]

Well said

[@I.R_Inori]

Gen Z, really? She’s a functioning mature woman who stood up for herself. If you think it has to do with labels such as “Gen this or Gen that” you haven’t matured enough.

[@karvinskyy]

@@I.R_Inori i think op is referencing the current trend in business/general media of 'calling out' gen z now demanding much more respect in the workplace and framing it as a bad thing

[@dhalden4319]

OP is missing the entire point then which Gen Z largely seems to do as a whole when they routinely dismiss or overlook the shoulders of powerful women upon which they stand who came before them. Katherine Heigl wasn’t the Gen Z of anything. She was a woman of her time; she just wasn’t appreciated or respected for it. You can honor and recognize her boldness without misattributing it to a younger, idealized generation which (like every generation before it) will someday be looked back upon as “behind the times”.

[@I.R_Inori]

@@dhalden4319 Thank you for putting it in a more thorough way.

[@maramaguire1015]

I swear for me greys anatomy was like the first show where I saw females on a powerful profession and yes these women had their drama in the work place but it showed me that women were able to succeed so well at such a challenging profession and inspired me to do more with my life💙 Izzy, merideth, Christina, Bailey, and kathrine we are thankful for you💙

[@m.a.r.i.7063]

I will never understand why people had this perception/bad reputation of Katherine. I love her and I think she is such a great actor! She did a fantastic job in firefly lane show.

[@bcra9991]

I love hearing Ellen echo every complaint I’ve had about Meredith for the last 5 years

[@willpazmino6744]

Yeah, it was so pleasant. I love that she stands by her opinions and what she believes is best for the character. I mean, she made Meredith what she is. However, it must be really frustrating to doesn't have control after all these years.

[@adrielathome]

AMEN.

[@truelies2667]

@@willpazmino6744 But let me guess. Heigl is not allowed to have an opinion about Izzie Stevens or any of her other characters. Lmao. The hypocrisy

[@willpazmino6744]

​@@truelies2667 Let me ask you something when I was disrespectful to Katherine Heigl in my comment? I love her character on the show and never wanted her to leave. I know that she wasn't allowed to stand up for herself, and when she did. People found her challenging, but that is bullshit. She deserves better, but Ellen Pompeo doesn't have control over that. She was barely known when she started the show and gained less than Patrick Dempsey until he left, even though she is the main character. It took her a lot of time to get what she deserved. So, you won't be mad at me. I was talking about Ellen, but I love Katherine. Hollywood and Shonda Rhimes owe her an apology.

[@lola_cowan]

LITERALLY

[@tw-wr8ee]

If we're being real here: Katherine was villainized and thrown out like trash by Grey's and the entire industry for being a woman who spoke up for herself and her career in a time when that was not normalized. On the flip side, Ellen has been able to grow with the times and success of the show into a position where she can unabashedly speak up for herself and her career with no backlash. This conversation affirmed that Katherine was ahead of her time and deserves all of the success because she has the talent and morals to back it up. She walked so that Ellen could run with her "girl boss" energy.

[@Ray-nc5xm]

Well said 👍🏻

[@SL-lz9jr]

Yes, a trailblazer! Someone has to get it going first

[@76Rubes]

So well put!

[@LM20237]

100%!

[@faithwatkins7811]

Ellen is the main character she has directed produced the show where Katherine was a supporting character so yeah that was them saying stay in your lane be happy to have a job.

[@ShikhaNB]

Oh my goodness, can we hear that line over and over again? ‘People can’t handle confident women. The can only handle women looking for their confidence.’ Wow that puts sooo many things in perspective! 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@KathyGarfield]

This kind of conversation is so refreshing. They delve into real issues and offer their genuine opinions instead of just gushing over each other the entire time.

[@Rockyrocks2112]

“They don’t like confident women, they would rather you be a woman looking for your confidence” wowwwww Ellen really nailed that on the head🫢

[@RoyKoopaling]

It’s just really not true. It’s actually a pretty poisonous message to send to women. Plenty of strong, successful, confident women.

[@avalambert2404]

@@RoyKoopaling ok my dude. it’s completely true. no one likes a powerful confident women bc it intimidated them.

[@RoyKoopaling]

@@avalambert2404 I think this is something insecure women tell themselves to feel less bad.

[@avalambert2404]

@@RoyKoopaling you’re a guy right? you probably are if you’re talking that way. Women are held back from important positions, from job openings, etc bc men in specific are to intimidated by how smart and strong they are. A confident women scares people bc they know they can’t stop her. it’s completely unfair to speak like that and it’s really just ignorant. Men do not have to deal with this issue. A confident man is welcomed by the world whereas a confident women is shunned. Insecurities don’t matter in this conversation. What you’re saying is trying to excuse the way men hold women back. That it’s not a man’s fault but that the women is just insecure.

[@RoyKoopaling]

@@avalambert2404 Where’s the evidence for any of that? Because I could point to thousands of strong, confident women who are leading in every industry. Like I said, I really think this is something insecure women tell themselves to feel better.

[@rosssallee9790]

This is the Grey's Anatomy reunion that I have been waiting for. The chemistry between these two women is still there.

[@SwtLvlyLucy169]

Katherine was and still is THAT BITCH. Stood up for herself, is not afraid to speak up for others and all the while is stunning while doing it all. She is a role model and I love how open she is about everything.

[@suelenrsantos]

Katherine telling the most impactful ending on Firefly Lane left me in shock, because I'm just three episodes away from the end hahahahaha. Ellen and Katherine, you both are inspiring women! 🙂

[@DulapeepWalker]

I’ve always been a Katherine Hiegl fan. She is an incredible actress, and it’s so upsetting how the Network and Shonda treated her after she spoke out.

[@maddiedemar4352]

girl explain, i haven’t watched greys in a few years, im behind on the drama

[@caiofernandes2980]

@@maddiedemar4352 Katherine wanted to leave the show and made sure she wasn't happy with the way the show was going. She even rejected an Emmy nomination, saying she didn't think she deserved the recognition, since the writers didn't give her enough material. Shonda took that very personal and let her leave the show before the end of her contract and a whole campaign to basically destroy Katherine's career started, which in some way was pretty successful.

[@DulapeepWalker]

@@caiofernandes2980 Not to mention it basically black listed her from working on any projects for YEARS. She knew what she wanted and knew what she was worthed and people deemed that behavior to be “egotistic” or being a “diva.” I’m so glad she is back in the game, and taking back her narrative.

[@ndo533]

​@@caiofernandes2980 lol there was no whole campaign to end her career, r u kidding me? Heigl came off as entitled. She said so much silly shit in public that ppl got tired of hearing about her in the media. Shonda said her peace and moved on. Even Ellen, when asked about Heigl returning was like yea that's not gonna happen 😂😂

[@jakestroll6518]

Shonda didn’t do anything to her. She merely removed a big star to protect her staff writers. Heigl had made a stupid and unnecessary statement that made it impossible for the writers room to get an Emmy that year. Writers are the most under appreciated part of showbiz and winning an Emmy as a young writer can change your career. But because she was a rising film actress it didn’t occur to her that she was hurting peoples careers. She’s still never apologised to “the little people”. She just plays victim and kisses up to Shonda to get back on her shows. Even Ellen at the end is telling her she messed up but she can now be forgiven. Stop using your parasocial relationship with Heigl to deny she did a bad thing.

[@Twinkdoesdrag]

Please make this a recurring series with Katherine and Ellen. I could listen to them talk for hours.

[@jhnom23]

Yes yes yes! I thought the same thing. This was therapy for me full of great advice for many different situations. I can’t wait to rewatch this.

[@thoakim673]

ok

[@luwamalem9537]

They should start a podcast or something!

[@champagnexoxo1198]

It was refreshing to watch the two of them together and specially Katherine. She was so brave for standing up for herself back then and even when everyone gave her ice she didn’t held back. So powerful.

[@anagga5006]

I will always love Katherine. I grew up watching lot of her movies and started grey's because of her. This sit-down was inspiring and empowering. An interview we didn't know but we needed. I love this for her.

[@michaelt8680]

"The Ugly Truth" fans know how good Katherine is.

[@BellesView]

That’s my favorite rom-com of hers.

[@jamariareese481]

That is her underrated comedy movie. Idk why it's not discussed more when it comes to her.

[@BellesView]

@@jamariareese481 I can’t believe it’s underrated. Her and Gerard Butler had great chemistry.

[@sarasalvati2513]

YES!!!!!

[@pzark3638]

A movie with 14% on RT ? Sounds about right

[@moniquedalley983]

Omg Katherine calling it "Seattle Grace" is the absolute cutest thing.

[@user-qx6ri2bf4o]

Omg yes

[@TheDaniHarmony]

Honestly the thought of Ellen watching Grey's with her daughter is really special to me because Grey's was the first show my mom and I watched every episode of together :') that was before streaming and she got the first seasons on Netflix DVDs!!

[@Lexbeckom]

This was AMAZING! These two women have such knowledge and it’s so amazing hearing a first hand conversation between the two. Also extra creds to Katherine the way the industry blacklisted her just for speaking about awful working conditions is so unfortunate and realistic and I loved the discussion around it. GREAT video!

[@styleintersection5574]

This warms my heart especially after all they put Katherine through. Glad to see her doing so well now again

[@philosophy_bot4171]

Beep bop... I'm the Philosophy Bot. Here, have a quote: "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious" ~ Oscar Wilde

[@iambbjuv]

Can i ask what they did to Katherine? Don't have idea

[@joemckim1183]

They put Katherine through? I was under the impression she was a total bitch behind the scenes.

[@pestolover]

@@iambbjuvthey write poor storyline for izzy make her character even more annoying thn ever aftr she spoke up for being overworked

[@RitaMichelle]

I have to say, my opinion about Katherine has completely changed because of this conversation. I let the “stories” about her dictate how I viewed her off-screen personality, how small minded of me. I felt the passion she has for protecting young actors - and I loved this beautiful example of female friendship.

[@aekelly]

I love when people share the evolution of their point of view on things!

[@stainedglassbeauty6945]

Super cool and incredibly insightful of you to say that. It’s always beautiful when someone can admit they were mislead. Props to you!

[@osimeon00]

Just goes to show how easily manipulated you are by mass media. Wonder what else you believe without nuance and analyzation.

[@aekelly]

@@osimeon00 well aren't you a nasty cynic. 😂😅🤣

[@LeighsMug]

It takes a woman to own up to that and as one, I love to see it:) Truly how I feel about her!

[@melonmilkice2755]

This show lifted my niece from the depths of depression in 2020 and pulling her up sleeping class hours to be an honor student just coz she wants to be a doctor after Greys..she wants to be a journalist now but me and my sis are forever grateful

[@catchmeifyoucan1095]

aww

[@AC-th4ci]

These two women are absolutely incredible. I adore how they lift each other up, and have nothing but praise for all the talented people they've worked with. Their experience and wisdom is inspiring for all women. How lucky their children are to have such amazing mothers as an example

[@gabriellavasquez8297]

Not the sex with the ghost 😂😂 glad she was just as embarrassed as we were 😂😂

[@ems5454]

I will forever defend Katherine Heigl and i'll never forget or forgive what Shonda and the entire crew did to her. I'm so happy she's getting so much love these last few years, she really really deserves it!

[@pppootra9810]

She got crushed so unjustifiably. Great, that she can still come back.

[@lorrainesantos6745]

What did they do to her? What was she talking about being a villain? What reaction?

[@samanthabarbados4245]

@@lorrainesantos6745 she criticised the theme and working hours of some of her movies and sets so she was labelled as difficult and black listed.

[@itzbp9949]

Shonda rhimes has treated a lot of people badly on greys.

[@osimeon00]

@@samanthabarbados4245 No, she talked shit about her employer in a public space and got fired for it.

[@alffuergregor]

Katherine brings such a positive attitude and energy to her roles when she left I really missed her character. Very silly to let her go.

This was such a fulfilling episode! I watched Grey's religiously when I was younger and I always knew the media part of why Heigl left. I LOVE that they actually dived into that! I feel seriously happy. Bravo Katherine, Bravo Pompeo!

[@calliweininger4837]

I always loved Katherine's sense of humor and thought she was a great actress. I hate that we lost so many years of her career due to her standing up for herself. She was ahead of her time IMO. I'm glad she's back.

[@amber.ren_1995]

I know. I’m actually glad she left Grey’s Anatomy just bcuz they were starting to make her character of Izzy Steven’s become really annoying. And whiny and I was starting to not like her anymore. But once she broke off and started doing movies and stuff I loved her movies everything she starred in I loved it thought she was a great actress. So yea back then they were not letting her character grow very much at all. It became very limited. I knew there was a reason I loved her and after hearing this conversation between them just solidified that. ❤ But I love Greys Anatomy. I’ll be 28 in 2 days. And I’ve been watching Greys Anatomy since i was 10 years old. And I was 10 years old the year this show aired back in 2005. And im still watching it. So crazy that I’ve gotten to grow with show over the years through my childhood. I thought it was funny when Ellen mentioned her daughter about wanting to watch it and her daughter being in 6th grade. I was like yea I watched it when I was 10 my dad let me watch it with him and of course if they were scenes I couldn’t watch he just said shield my eyes. Though I don’t remember having to do it a lot bcuz now thinking about it since the show is on ABC my dad probably thought we’ll when it comes to the sex scenes they don’t really show a lot anyway so yea haha. And blood and stuff didn’t bother me and my dad never said anything about having to shield my eyes for those scenes. And guess what I was never traumatized by any of it. But it’s probably bcuz I knew it was just a show and not real. 👍🫶🫶🫶😊

[@karagillis5739]

Katherine was ahead of her time not because she should have been on Twitter, but she recognized a career where you don't stand up for yourself and your boundaries is a career not worth having as a woman in Hollywood. She persevered without the support of a major network backing her up to make her look like the good girl. She's incredible.

[@morganlefay3284]

I love Katherine so much, she's an amazing actress!!! I'm still waiting for her to get the recognition she deserves!

[@wigginingeneral]

She got an Emmy.

[@morganlefay3284]

@@wigginingeneral The entire industry made her look really bad just for standing up for herself. I'm glad she's back now.

[@alexia2099]

Ellen calling Katherine - "Katie" has such a sweet vibe Lovely friendship!

[@chrisgeronimo]

“They’d rather you be a woman looking for your confidence than you actually be a confident woman.” That was the most important thing said in this conversation IMO.

[@reemkojok7194]

The passion that Katherine talks with about standing up for yourself specially for young girls is so heartwarming and I loved her since forever and now I love her more tbh

[@deannaburgart9171]

It really makes me reflect on my own drama. Past friends, past “stuff” that seemed so HUGE at the time. And I’ve not lived in the public eye in the way these brilliant and amazing women have come together in such a real way and not focus this real conversation on the drama of the past - without ignoring the truth. Love this. Thank you.

[@LodisVlogs]

After 100s of episodes, 100s of new actors, 100s of new storylines… She is literally still fan favorite says a lot about her work.

[@micahscott1068]

Izzie’s departure from Grey’s will always be one of the saddest parts of the show for me. The fact she was never given a proper send off (for valid reasons, that being) always felt so wrong for how big of a character she was - she truly was my favourite and I always would pray they brought her back even just for an episode. I’m so glad Katherine is getting her stars now, she truly deserves it and is such a gorgeous person.

[@hopelessroman]

This conversation is basically a grown up Mer and Izzie reflecting on their lives together and the work they did together 😢 it was beautiful to watch ❤

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

No it's Ellen and Katherine. Completely different people and personalities. Don't equate them with the characters they played.

[@gyncrtc]

Glad I watched this and now understand that Katherine was standing up for herself. I was very young when I started watching Grey’s and when Katherine left all I heard about it was that she was hard to work with. At that age, I didn’t really have any media literacy and didn’t have the capacity to question whether it was true or not and just believed whatever I heard. That was many years ago and I just kind of forgot about it all but I loved Izzie and Katherine’s acting was incredible, so hearing her talk about her side feels (weirdly) like a relief.

[@sharonreaves]

No words to express how much I love seeing these two together. More of this please!!!

[@smilertheavidreader2655]

I love Katherine in this interview. So natural and just comfortable in her views and what she was saying. She seems a person who feels things deeply, but at the same time wants things to be right. With the controversy around her being ‘demanding’ and leaving Greys, what she said was the truth but she said it at the wrong time, in the wrong way and to the wrong people. Ellen is just so eloquent and articulate. With things on Greys that needed to change she bided her time and said the right things at the right time, the right way and to the right people. It’s just solidifies that timing is everything.

[@lorrainesantos6745]

What did Katherine say?

[@joemarks8548]

@@lorrainesantos6745 Do not even waste your time asking these complete idiots who are as entitled as KH still is. She is a spoiled little brat who thought she was more important than everyone else and when she expected to be treated that way, she was rightfully kicked to the curb. The way these people say "she spoke the truth" when many were toddlers who never worked on a tv show is not only laughable it is insane. Look up the history yourself, see where her career is and decide for yourself.

[@jog761]

It actually took her years to get the pay she deserved as the name sake of the show. The men always made more than her. So, yes, she should make all that money. She earned it.

[@Seinneka83]

The speech that Izzy gave to Denny right before cutting the LVAD wire was the reason I started watching Grey's Anatomy. Great acting, very emotional and relatable for some intense relationships.

[@sharongrossman2592]

That was the reason I stopped watching! 😅 I just couldn't deal with more suffering

[@MyVeedaLoca]

Rewatching for these scenes 😎 my fav story line

[@ImTheGirlAtHome]

Katherine is just phenomenal! The scene with her crying over Denny's dead body will forever be seared in my brain. When she cries, she really makes you feel the character's emotions

[@THEDOORIZCLOSED]

Everyone hated the Denny scenes thats why his plot ended😂😂😂😂😂😂 Im pretty sure its listed as one of the worst or annoying/embarrassing subplots in tv history

[@MyVeedaLoca]

@@THEDOORIZCLOSED where? Its literally a huge story line. Im rewatching all major episodes now

[@miriamdevereux7508]

Oh I cried so much watching Izzy in that scene. I never cried by other show. This really hurt and felt so real. Katherine done a great job.

[@kimramirez3469]

This was so so so amazing. Seeing two woman have an open and honest conversation. They’re both a gem of a person

[@flake4710]

Katherine was probably the best actor on Greys, her and April brought real emotion to the scenes. also i loved what ellen said about women being victims or villains! True

[@mandrake...]

I Agree, Sandra Oh is overrated

[@seankeegan3587]

@@mandrake... over rated she was the best in it every season she was in it

[@mandrake...]

@@seankeegan3587 Yes, over rated and over acted for me.

[@angelacarrerarivera]

5:35 animals on Grey 6:54 premiere 10:28 letting Meredith go 14:52 pick me girl 19:16 doctors as patients 20:58 Danny's scene 23:50 firefly lane 28:25 ellen directing 34:19 last day on set 39:00 izzie leaving 42:15 intimacy coordinator 43:30 Kate seen as villain 51:00 kate leaving Grey's

[@tcrump212IsLmbrJck_t]

YOU ARE BOMB. FOLLOWED THE WHOLE TIME LIST.

[@emmanuellatendem6258]

THX❤ 35:29

[@karinadelossantos8653]

Thanks 😊

[@ZestyZinny]

Thank you!

[@mh.7351]

You’re amazing

[@seppysky1581]

This was powerful!!! Especially from when Katherine Heigl said, "even if you don't have a career it is not worth having if you are bending all the time."

[@Moretothestories]

Such a good interview! Katherine Heigl was speaking up for what was right and she was before her time!

[@heygoodbyee]

Man this is so iconic for us longtime fans! Justice for Katherine!

[@emmikate]

I'm so happy how Katherine is getting her fire back in the eye of Hollywood. She is a truly beautiful woman.

[@queenyousra]

Katherine is so funny in such a refreshing manner! I loved this. Glad she's finally seen and heard. She's always been one of my fav character on Grey's

[@Aint-no-slave]

I don't normally comment, but I was so impressed I had to. This was so lovely to witness. It's always nice to see what a healthy and safe conversation between women looks like. As a viewer I enjoyed the topics, the personal perspectives and the energy you ladies shared. Though I was watching I could also feel the mutual respect too. This shows how much growth has taken place on both of you're journeys. I Loved this. Thank you both. Just brilliant.

[@PunjabiHumanitarian]

Katherine Heigl is so genuine and relatable in the sense she speaks without a filter. I don't understand how she got the bad rep that she did back in the day.

[@xscarletfields]

I can see why Katherine was perfect to portray Tully Hart. She is THAT confident, that amazing. I always loved her and was heartbroken for how she canceled. Izzie was my favorite character in Grey’s, and I really still hope for her to come back somehow, even for a few minutes. I love her and Ellen, such strong and confident women, they are THE example. I wish to be as strong as they are when I’m their age.

[@cloebgn]

Wow i was expecting something so basic, some nostalgia about grey’s but what we got was so meaningful, human, and beautiful. So happy for those two gorgeous successful women 🫶🏻 hope they’ll do an amazing job with protecting young actors or offering help on set like they said, and always speak their mind and be powerful.

[@luizaziokowska4576]

This conversation is soooo good. Every interview should be done like this 👏🏻

[@SoLyrical2]

The way Katherine Heigl just MADE Tully... She's an incredible actress. I'm glad she's getting a chance to be someone other than Izzy. She was incredible at both.

[@brh.1892]

Honestly if people couldn't see her brilliance in Greys there is no way to deny it watching Firefly Lane. She was just incredible.

[@chazharris]

Katie being a staunch ally to T.R. Knight when he was called a slur on set, funding an org that helps save dogs in honor of her brother who passed away, politely standing up for the crew and support cast for their brutally long working hours on Greys only to have it twisted into a big deal. I have always been a fan of hers and I hope she gets some better offers and scripts worthy of her talent to make up for the inaccurate media narrative around her in the past. ❤

[@fantasyk87]

Honestly after Izzie left the show took a big hit, I kept on watching till Christina left and that was it for me. I'm so glad seeing this interview of Ellen and Katherine, they're really amazing women.

[@monicab28]

I'm watching the series now and Christina just left....the first 5 episodes after she left are just blah! Not sure how much longer I can watch it.

[@davioliveirach]

This was such an amazing interview!! Thank you, Variety, for creating Actors on Actors, and bringing Ellen and Katherine back together ❤❤

[@walterude6323]

I think Ellen is right. Some of the things that Katherine said back then that got her crucified are the things that most people would say today on social media, and it may not really affect their career. Even Ellen has since gone on to say that Katherine’s reference to the long hours that they had to work on Grey’s Anatomy - another thing that she got slammed for - was right. I feel bad that Katherine got so much flack for the things she said, but I’m glad to see that she’s in such a better place now, both personally and career-wise (I have been so into Firefly Lane). I truly enjoyed this conversation. I’d always suspected Katherine was kinda goofy in real life, but her sense of humour and the chemistry with Ellen really had me laughing so hard.

[@emmanuellatendem6258]

Aree 100%

[@EnanCraig]

I saw Izzie Steven’s come out at 52:00-52:45. The passion. The certainty. The valor. The expressions. The facial gestures. It was Izzie when she was most passionate about things. I love that Katie was able to take back the narrative. Love you, Katie! And Ellen is such a badass and a source of insight and knowledge. She doesn’t just display grace but she IS GRACE (not Grey’s and no pun intended)

[@sarahcampbell3995]

I couldn’t agree more !!

[@Quoteofthedayoffcial]

Right

[@Quoteofthedayoffcial]

I agree

[@Korkira]

I saw Izzie in that moment too! That was such a moment when she wanted to preach and she did it! 🤗

[@juliette7776]

This took me me back to the last scene she had with Alex 😩😩😩

[@Chaz4290]

I absolutely loved this discussion. Both incredible women who actively listened to each other. And so glad to see Katherine in Firefly Lane. I watched the shit out of that! More of these two please!!!❤

[@RedHeadThriller10]

I really needed to hear that conversation especially on the 45-minute mark it was really relatable. I think every once in a while each person has a difficult situation and I may not be an actress but I completely understand where Catherine is feeling and I'm so relieved that both of these ladies that I grew up are very strong women and it's okay to cry or be vulnerable and then the next day you just try harder and just be better examples of yourself and with other people