Which 5 Stars Should Be Added To The Standard Banner? | Genshin Impact

[@VarsII]

I DIDN’T REALIZE RATHEIL ALSO MADE A VIDEO ON THIS T_T I recorded this last week and only had time to edit it this week. I SWEAR IT’S A COINCIDENCE.

[@Anika9691]

No worries

[@Red_behelit9]

As long as you won't say Navia as well you're good tbh XD

[@trollar8810]

I've been watching you both for ages so seeing both of you talk about the same topic in such close timeframes was actually nice

[@LordKidSparty]

Twice is a coincidence thrice is a pattern

[@Achance2c]

its okay to have similar content! relax :)

[@portiasnowdon9443]

Why don’t they do birthday rerun?! It would be so easy and everyone will know when their character is coming ! The solution is right there!

[@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato]

That’s an interesting idea! Like whichever characters have a birthday during the current patch have increased pull rates on a permanent birthday banner? That would be so fun ✨

[@ZachZ0]

A one week single banner re-run around each characters birthday would be amazing

[@Otherface]

Because Hoyoverse is alergic to almost any good idea.

[@agentorder4604]

Actually a banger idea

[@Zephyr425]

​@@Otherface june alone has 7 limited characters with their bdays, altho it sounds like a good idea some months have way too little or way too many charas around them for it to be possible

[@sonicx711]

I don't think any of the Archons will be added to any perm banner, cause hoyo knows people want to collect all the gods, so it's just easier money for them to just not add them

[@izayoi2006]

Yeah. I see his point about them being useful. But personally I think archons should be off limit for standard banner. Hoyo is never gonna add them to it in the same way Venti wasn't added to the Mond banner.

[@thisathovin6346]

@@izayoi2006 Venti isnt an archon though, hes genuinely useless outside of killing trash mobs, and you dont need venti to kill trash mobs. Kazuha is the true Anemo Archon. He does everything every other archon does for their respective elements for Anemo.

[@goriantheboi8044]

​@@thisathovin6346 stay mad , venti is the real anemo archon , he can also use vv and his cc is stronger than kazuha . Exploration is matched but in terms of grouping , venti is the best at that in the game

[@ecovrse]

albedo! okay discussion over

[@goomby4018]

and tartaglia

[@Grimmy-mm8mx]

​@goomby4018 childe is actually quite decent though?

[@LateefA519]

Yh we deffo need a geo on standard banner

[@eduardocat9740]

​@@Grimmy-mm8mx I'm a Childe main and he's still really good in the xiangling core, probably still the best character to extract her max potential and one of the best for speedruns, but he is hard to play and has been out for a while so I would not complain if he became a standard character, pretty much wouldn't make any difference for me since his constellations are negligible.

[@kingdoom5022]

You forgot sigewene

[@AevyCh]

In my opinion, standard characters should be simple enough for new players to understand how their kit works.

[@lillyie]

dude thinks genshin characters have league of legends champion levels of complexity

[@AevyCh]

@@lillyie It's not about how complex an ability is. It's about the ease of understanding. Take Furina for example. In the end, all you do is press EQ and you're done, but the skill descriptions alone are more than enough to throw people off (the newer characters are even worse). League's description isn't even that complex. In fact, it's actually straight to the point unlike Genshin. The complexity comes from combining those abilities together.

[@Anika9691]

​@@AevyCh HSR and wuwa descriptions doesn't even make sense until multiple reads, genshin kits aren't that hard to understand tbh

[@yamechitiyo8410]

@@Anika9691Hsr alone has hard to understand kits, not even getting until wuwa😭

[@Succubus_L0li]

@@lillyie what are the begginner hero in league?

[@closeted-skeleton]

honestly after tignari it made me realise, i think every first character from each nation should be on standard from then on. tignari, liney and mulani are all good introductions to their nations and mechanics and they should do that for every nation plus that guarantees us getting another standard character every nation. (apologies for the spelling mistakes with the names)

[@aidanlyons25]

Just remember Kazuha was TECHNICALLY the first Inazuman unit.

[@lynn9265]

Agreed. If you don't want to depend on a 50/50 loss or the anniversary free 5 star pick, then you could wish for them. They'd then go into standard and could only get better from there if you do happen to lose a 50/50 to them. That way you'd have a nice introduction to the nation that sticks with you that whole year. Should you not want them immediately, you get time to save up a little during X.0 to prep for the rest of the game versions coming up that year, and they could always still spook you. It'd be a good and relaxed way to start every version for sure. Also, another thing to consider is that at the very, very start of a version players aren't yet extremely emotionally attached to any of the characters so disappointment with them going into standard won't be so bad (hinting at dehya). Unfortunately they didn't go this direction... and now I'll be nervous all throughout Natlan as to which character is gonna get the standard hot potato. I'm hoping it won't be Citlali, in which case it might be Iansan, but I know a lot of people who would be disappointed if it's Iansan (on the basis of the expectation of her multipliers being less good due to being standard).

[@kingdoom5022]

Lol that's never happening , mualani and lyney are way too good

[@SpydeR5K]

Mualani is a little too good for that. She is (technicall) the strongest hydro dps. Same with lyney but charge attack is a little annoying so maybe that balances it out. Though I do like the idea of having every region represented in the standard banner

[@tomboy2980]

I especially like this idea with Mualani since the more natlan characters you have, the stronger those characters get, and the easier exp becomes. I don't think they'd ever actually do that because mualani is too strong (plus we got a free lynette in fontaine and a free kachina in natlan so they must think the exp stuff is already covered, which it isn't because those aren't very strong characters, but still) but it would definitely be nice to have

[@forevermasteri4330]

IMO, no archon, harbinger or elemental sovereign can be a "Standard" 5-Star. Additionally, standard characters should: * Feel good to play in the overworld. * Have a relatively easy to understand kit. * Not overpower a similar limited C0-C2 5-star before C4-C6. -- BTW: Where in Chinese law prevents Hoyo from adding preexisting event wish exclusive items to the "Wanderlust Invocation" pool?

[@brainrot8802]

it’s written in the description of each limited character banner than they won’t be added to the current standard banner. Idk if there’s a specific chinese law specifically for this, but if they were to take Neuvillette right now and put him on the current standard banner, it would indeed be a case of false advertising and that would open Hoyo up to lawsuits. This could be worked around if they create a NEW standard banner with a different name though

[@eml-player1]

Go into the details of any banner and it says and I quote: "This event wish is only available for a limited time. All event items may be available again in the future. Of the above characters, the event-exclusive character will not be available in the standard wish "Wanderlust Invocation." They need to remove that disclaimer BEFORE they release a characters (like they did with Dehya, Tighnari and Keqing).

[@sangresani3366]

You jumped around constantly "This character needs to be perm because everyone can use her" then the next moment "This character is used too much so it'll never be perm" Stop switching back and forth and rate everything with the same criteria, it makes your entire list pointless cause they're not rated with the same criteria.

[@kusti2012]

Xiao's signature weapon, Primordial Jade Winged-Spear, is already in the standard banner, so using that logic he always should have been there from the start and should be added there now among the first.

[@DaWorldGuardian001]

same with Ganyu, since there's Amos' Bow.

[@nargacuga8870]

I don't actually mind if i can c 6 by that

[@dysvara8975]

​@@DaWorldGuardian001wait amos bow is in the standard banner!?!?!??? Dayyum i never knew about that

[@DaWorldGuardian001]

@@dysvara8975 yep, it's true. next chance you have, you can check wish details to see all the 5* stuff available

[@Ben-v6z3s]

@@dysvara8975bruh when did you first start playing Genshin

[@NintendoFlashShorts]

The correct answer is none of them. They should expand on the Chronicled Wish system instead and make it permanent

[@TNuuv]

that would be a good workaround with the potential false advertising legal issue because it is a separate system from the permanent banner technically

[@paulyvii]

Fr. Instead of adding characters to the standard banner, they should do Chronicled Wish more often. It's like they added it and forgot about it months later

[@gmsimon]

Make chronicle wish use standard pulls.

[@wansper9297]

​@@gmsimongenuinly that would give a huge unfair advantage to everyone who has hoarded their standard pulls over the years. Also probably not allowed by law

[@Ranamon9132]

@@wansper9297how so? And why illegal? I’d honestly like to understand the logic here

[@AnimationStation3000]

Should be mentioned that, the limited characters can't be added to the standard banner. Or at the very least, the one that currently exist. Each limited banner description (except Tighnari, Dehya and Keqing) states that: the event exclusive 5* [insert name] will not be added to Wanderlust Invocation (i.e. standard banner) If they were to add them that would be false advertising, and land them alot of legal trouble. It would be nice if people clarified this when making these kinds of videos

[@Sky_Eden]

You know, they can just make a limited banner for those character then just make last 999 days

[@UniversalRose]

All they need to do is pull a HI3rd and just rename the standard banner. The info for characters state that they can’t be added to the “Wanderlust Invocation” banner not standard in general

[@AnimationStation3000]

@@UniversalRose yes I said this in my original message

[@Starberry7]

@@UniversalRose I feel like ThaT still would be false advertising though.

[@UniversalRose]

@@AnimationStation3000Ah shit mb, dunno how I skipped over that

[@nxkx4079]

i think its impossible for existing characters to be added into the standard banner since it could lead to a lawsuit since they advertised them as limited but i am not sure

[@RareAngelz]

This is what I've thought. It also follows similar laws for collectible card games. I believe they could technically scrap the original banner and make a new permanent banner with a new name to get around this, but I guarantee it would cause outrage. I'd rather they just have a regular chronicle wish schedule.

[@Truck-kun11]

It would be an interesting if each region had its own Standard Banner where you could get characters exclusively from that region. Not only would it get around the legal issues of adding limited characters to the current Standard Banner and keep the theme they created with the Chronicle Wish, it would also make the character pool smaller.

[@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato]

Oooh, that’s certainly an interesting idea!

[@StartouchArts]

Lmao just call them Nation-Limited Banners. Want to pull for Itto? Go to the Inazuma Limited Banner and take a shot. Maybe you'll get him, or you might get unlucky on the 50/50 and get Yoimiya.

[@evilsatorii]

I think it is not very likely that they would put archons like Venti and Zhongli on standard banner but I would say that they should rerun them more often, it is so bad for new players that started playing earlier this year ( like me 6 months ago) to wait for their rerun until 5.2, 5.4 or even 5.5 ( sometime in February, March next year ???)

[@Kyle81290]

I mean Archons have a guaranteed rerun each year.

[@evilsatorii]

@@Kyle81290 well..there was not Venti´s and Zhongli´s rerun this year yet and only one more patch will be released this year ( 5.2) so one of them will not get rerun this year

[@Kyle81290]

@@evilsatorii Well, Zhongli is getting one in 5.2. And Venti well... He had 2 reruns in 2022 so maybe they are trying to balance it out and just skip 2024.

[@LuddyFish_]

@@Kyle81290 That doesn't really count because those Venti reruns were in two separate versions (2 and 3 respectively). Hoyo is more likely just spicing things up with how the archons are going to rerun this time, seeing as they love to break patterns. The one pattern they haven't broken (yet) is that only one archon can rerun per patch.

[@evilsatorii]

@@Kyle81290 Zhongli also had 2 reruns in 2022 from what I found, in 2.4 and also 3.0 patch

[@shanaayasamant9978]

the correct answer is all of them

[@AetherRPG]

Yes after Teyvat Chapter.

[@kyronmilne-campbell8298]

I don’t think that’s a good idea

[@Beastards]

Nah I can't rely on rng all the time

[@ATKR45]

All of them with a wishlist feature

[@Starberry7]

That would be a terrible idea. You would be unable to get the characters you want.

[@isaiahhaley4816]

I disagree with venti being added to permanent banner ik he isn’t the most meta of the archons but he’s a archon no less it would be unfair for all of the others to be event five stars while venti is left in standard especially since he was one of the most meta characters in the early days of genshin it would also be unfair for archon collectors who want all seven only for one to be added to standard it just ruins their chances on getting the character and completing the seven plus venti is better then the standard five stars due to his flexibility

[@pukipuki6712]

im gonna be totally honest, i keep forgetting he's a archeon. i own all the aneomo characters and he is the only one i haven't used in over 2 years.

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@ understandable he’s not as mad as the rest I am myself barely even use him. I still like him as a character and he’s apart of my archon collection she’s really like an icon that you want to get early in the game to help you get familiar with it

[@matheusmikoaski5281]

I think it's more about making niches more accessible than relegating older or underpowered characters to it. Like having one or two characters to make a mono geo team without going after 4 limited banners or any other more character-demanding composition. It's not that big of a problem in Genshin since teams are more adaptable, but HSR is very much jumping head first into this hole.

[@GinnyGinger13]

This is not necessarily a criticism but more of the observation. It feels like the information bubble you’re in is heavily focused on meta and gameplay efficiency (to no surprise at all, this is what you do) and due to this fact you hear only half of the vocalised opinions about which characters are popular and desired to be pulled. Because in my bubble somebody is pulling for Klee every rerun because she is so beloved (I personally once skipped Kazuha for her), half of my male friends pulling for Chiory because of wifu gaming, and no one (I repeat not a single person) pulled for Shilonen for the single reason of “idk this gameplay is weird I don’t understand it”. So many times when you sad “people aren’t gonna pull for them” I felt it was 100% correct for meta players and absolutely inaccurate for the other half of the player base.

[@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato]

I think there are available statistics on the success of each characters’ banner. Like, you can see how many people pulled/how much money was spent on each characters’ banner. I think (but I’m not certain) that he and most other KZbinrs use these reported numbers when they’re making their opinions, rather than rely solely on anecdotal evidence such as “meta gamers vs everyone else vs my friend group”. I think there are times when the numbers are in line with the meta and times when they aren’t. Baizhu should be a meta character (and he is often in the top % of characters used in the spiral abyss), but he was not a character with a particularly successful banner. And plenty of characters that have been powercrept in the meta are still very successful on their reruns, because people love them. I think he was pretty realistic about all of this. But I know what you mean! In my “bubble”, I would think that Chiori was a very successful character haha.

[@Anika9691]

Your bubble is weird asf, I can assure you those characters they are pulling for aren't universally as popular or as much in demand as yall make them to be. This list kinda is universal

[@stormix5755]

I think that most people land in between meta and likability. People pull for characters they like unless the character is obscenely broken, like Furina. I think many people pull for characters if they like them enough and they’re powerful enough for their account. If you really can’t stand a character or if they’re just too weak that will dissuade people, casual players still care about power and meta players still care about likability

[@LuddyFish_]

I am with you here. This listing is very much meta focused, which is an interesting thing in itself, but shouldn't be a reason for a character to be a standard character. The reason why Albedo is almost universally agreed to be a standard is not just because he's lacklustre meta-wise, but also because his kit is simplistic, he is an old unit, there is a lack of a standard Geo 5 star, his cons aren't worth getting (asides from c2), and so on. Venti would be hardly ever be considered for standard banner because of his status as an archon. But even without that, he is a thorn in Hoyo's side because if they ever decide to make a Spiral Abyss floor filled with small units, he will absolutely shred it to smithereens. The fact that a lot of floors in Imaginarium Theatre are like this make Venti really strong there. And people have forgotten Venti's strength, as there have been complaints at how annoying "Protect the Obelisk" on the first chamber of Floor 11 is. Raiden Shogun will never be considered as a standard, not because she's an archon, but because of her sales. Everytime she has ran, her sales have skyrocketed. She is extremely popular, and with sales like that, even if she is not meta, Hoyo would never think of putting her near the Standard banner, heck even the Chronicled Wish banner.

[@Jardrin]

Yeah. Most of the player base is casuals and don't really pay attention to meta at all. (With maybe some exceptions). Heck, a lot of people don't even do Abyss 12.

[@kyravanleeuwen3090]

in my honest opinion some characters will never even be considered, such as any archons, or fatui harbingers. they are super beloved characters and people will definitly pull for them. since no character can actually become standard after their release (because it would cause a huge lawsuit), i think new characters are the only real contenders. so i wouldnt be surprised to see any future natlan characters joining the standard banner. maybe citalali or Ilsan could make good contenders (specifically Ilsan due to her being the first natlan character to be confirmed). and then maybe a geo character to complete all elements?

[@ladywoods6918]

Not everyone pulls just for meta. I think this video is forgetting that.

[@seluhir8820]

I think there're a few considerations that aren't being taken into account... one of which is this: Most players get their first five star off the standard banner. (50% lose the 50/50 and probably 5-10% get it off standard banner wishes they get from playing before they pull limited) How badly would getting some of these characters as their first 5* negatively impact their account? I think characters like Shenhe, Itto, Eula would be a real issue if someone got them as their first 5*. They're so niche, so limited in functionality, and so generally bad to use that a person getting them as their first character would probably be in a rough state. As a result, I'd say put those characters in rotating banners (as an aside I WISH the chronicled wish were elemental rather than region, it'd make it feel so much less bad to pull on) rather than standard banner. Nobody should get Shenhe as their first 5* without SPECIFICALLY wanting her(and I say this as someone who loves Shenhe as a character and has her). And nobody should get Itto as their first 5* either for the same reason. I also think you're underestimating Navia. She's almost unquestionably the most FUN character to play in the game, she's probably the premier waifu of people who don't like either 'mommy step on me' types or 'cutesy' types(Arlecchino/Raiden and Ayaka/Nilou being the forerunners in those categories), and she's a top tier dps. She has value.

[@youngfigaro]

Characters like itto/ayato/Klee will just be put on the chronicled wish, and archons will always be limited. It'll make sense for severely underpowered characters to be added to the standard banner, like Sigewinne or Albedo. But mihoyo will never put popular characters on standard as that's just shooting themselves in the foot.

[@Demigod2NE3]

They need to make a new banner, the Chronicled Wish Banner and make it permanent or like make it available twice a year. Put the old and unpopular units there. That's it.

[@SCP-1762-BOL]

I think that it was a very funny coincidence that Ratheil also released a very similar video a day ago. I highly doubt anyone copied anyone since videos take a while to make, but still funny.

[@NforRoNin]

Ayaka being better than wrio is crazy. Ayaka is good in 1 team freeze and that reaction fell off in Fontaine whereas wrio can use both melt and freeze

[@deathray2242]

I get that you‘re a meta channel, but the fact that you literally start by wanting to put two archons and a harbinger on the standard banner was very bewildering to me. That seems like the last precedent Hoyo would want to set😅

[@eherden2169]

Honestly, it should be Albedo and Eula. Even though Eula is the premiere physical DPS but physical has been ignored for a very long time.

[@ankitjadhav6775]

Blud u guys may not use her but she is a Literal Cheat with Cons like Arlecchino there's no way Hoyo will add her or She deserves to be Standard, Cope

[@eherden2169]

@@ankitjadhav6775 How deep in constellations are we talking about? From what I know her C1 its a small damage increase and C2 will overall help to keep up the physical artifact set buff up consistently. C3 you get a decent damage boost for a single hit all or nothing ult where not landing that crit is horrible. It would not be surprised that by the time we see an improvement to physical teams it will come with a new 5 star character that does it better than Eula. In the standard players may have a chance to get her when losing a 50-50 or if Hoyoverse gives another yearly 5 star selector one can get a constellation.

[@chainsow47]

Honestly, it should have been Nevillette and Navia, they were given too much in an attempt to prove they weren't useless.

[@eherden2169]

@@chainsow47 I don't think its likely due to those characters being the strongest in their element and being relatively recent. I they do it, I would be gladly impressed.

[@qr5393]

There's no way they'd let Eula be able to be c6'd from standard 😂 she can 1 shot higher abyss floors.

[@revdrianinvian1841]

I feel it should be characters that wouldn't sell well or have been powercrept, simple as that. Like I mean, come on, Venti? Zhongli? That's just copium.

[@cherryjubilee6941]

Venti hasn’t been good for years so adding him would make a lot of sense.

[@Moroha-m]

*sees video *Opens *Immediately goes to comment section *Writes "albedo" *Doesn't elaborate *Leaves

[@icaryu4058]

I don't think any Archon will ever be permanent, even tho they are not as usefull as they used to be (aka Venti). Zhongli is super strong, not only because of his shield, but also because of his universal shred, so not going to be in permanent either I think. I think some characters should be permanent, BUT they wouldn't need to if chronicles banners were more returning. Like, it's been almost a year since the Mondstadt chronicle banner, and we didn't have any other in that time. We could at least have a Liyue chronicle with characters like Xiao, Hu Tao, Yelan and so on. We also could have chronicle banners for other thing than nation (I was thinking maybe for elements, where you could have a Cryo chronicle with Ganyu, Eula, Shenhe, Ayaka, etc I really think chronicle banner is a great idea, it's just too long to get them that it's not very relevant atm

[@Gold-Dango]

The problem is that they cant make older chars permanent or hoyo gets sued due to how they state their terms. So, no way chars like Klee Albedo will be added to standard, at most chronicled

[@UniversalRose]

You’re kinda half right, while they can’t technically add limited characters to the “Wanderlust Invocation” banner (the standard banner), they can actually just pull a Hi3rd and get around this by simply renaming the standard banner.

[@TheNrat]

@@UniversalRose this would make company un trustworthy . When easy thing is just rerun them on bdays or whenever they show up events

[@aidanlyons25]

@@UniversalRose you have to also understand that people spent A TON of money for these limited characters so to see them all of a sudden easier to obtain would be very controversial throughout the player base. BTW, I don't spend money in case you're wondering.

[@UniversalRose]

@@TheNrat Maybe to the global side it’ll be a shitty thing to do, but from what I understand CN are fine with this. And we all know that Hoyo is CN > Global. Plus they’ve done it before anyways, so I doubt they’d not do it now

[@UniversalRose]

@@aidanlyons25 I don’t know why they’d be “easier” to obtain. Honestly putting a bunch of older characters on Standard would make it harder to obtain. If a dedicated player wanted an old character then they’ve have to spend quite a lot, if they do this. (As a player, ideally they’d implement a wish list system if they add to standard, but from a Companies PoV, it’s more money)

[@iforgetiamacat8348]

I think there wouldn't be a "better player experience" logic behind hoyo's decision, they simply will choose worst selling chatacter and slapped it on the std banner 😂

[@wongo6828]

I'm predicting that Citlali would be a 5 star that would be added to the Standard Banner because she's Cryo. I think this is something Hoyo would unironically do to push Cryo down the drain by adding the only Cryo unit in Natlan into the Standard Banner. (I hope she doesn't get the Dehya treatment tho...)

[@Accountthatexists]

Doubt she will get dehya treatment cause dehya was litteraly unfinished

[@usmanya5110]

I highly doubt they'll make another dehya since dehya has a pretty terrible kit riddled with issues. She may have use cases now especially with mualani burnvape and pure burning kinich teams.

[@samkelly5045]

@@AccountthatexistsNot saying it will happen to Citlali but it has to happen to someone eventually, they stated on the 5.0 program that they will be adding new 5* characters to standard eventually, and since Mualani, Kinich and Xilonen are in the clear, that leaves Mavuika (Who I absolutely 100% doubt since she’s the archon), Citlali and Iansan (Unless they decide to give it to a different 5* who we don’t know of yet). Chasca is also a possibility but I doubt it, her kit seems pretty decent in the beta, so unless they decide to make a new standard 5* unit pretty good unlike Dehya I’ll take it, but I highly doubt it. The whole point of the standard banner characters being bad/somewhat decent is so it makes players angry for losing the 50/50 to a subpar character and they spend money on impulse.

[@pyronado4320]

Iasan exists for that purpose

[@maxppo3615]

No way, she Is the most hyped Natlan character after Mavuika on CN.

[@thanatoswing]

Unless you want to completely revolutionize their entire gameplay kit you cannot put Chiori or Lyney on standard lmfao, they're used by whale to speedrun in 10 seconds or less. Giving players access to these characters is insane. All tierlist are biased, this might be the most biased tierlist I've ever seen lmfao. Being niche doesn't mean deserving to go on the standard banner. No character should go on the standard banner: they need to rework how they plan to release the forgotten Chronicled Wish banner. This is most likely a pointless conversation unless they plan to revolutionize the "Wanderlust Invocation" by changing its name and therefore its rules. It is not that easy lol

[@TheJH1015]

also putting ANY Inazuma characters on standard banner is gonna be an issue because Inazuma is story- and Adventure Rank-locked. Which means you're stuck with a level 40 or 50 standard banner character for like half the midgame.

[@thanatoswing]

@@TheJH1015 I would agree with that, except that if you follow the story normally you would unlock Inazuma at AR30 or something. It wouldn't take that long (with a daily login and farm, of course, more casual players would have to wait longer but I'm taking into consideration people who get really into the game and want to continue the story). Meanwhile you can level other characters, early Genshin doesnt need max stats and since banners are pretty much screwed so far, your favorite character (from Inazuma) might take a year to rerun. I pulled Itto one week into the game. I was just fine. Inazuma characters are not that story-locked IF the player actually wants to play and continue the story. You rank up AR like it's nothing even before Inazuma.

[@ZanathKariashi]

@@TheJH1015 Wow i was unaware that you can't roll any inazuma characters on standard until Inazuma is unlocked, you learn something new every day I guess.

[@soratenshi2847]

literally every single character will get powercrept eventually, but yeah it makes no sense to add 35 characters in the standard banner, you will be able to pull them. Just cause someone got slightly outdated compared to the newer ones doesnt mean people don't want them.

[@yanwsl]

As someone who was after yun-jin on her first banner, some players were NOT intentionally going after shenhe…

[@dmitri_1i]

Navia also should be put on "depends if they get powercrept hard enough" Xilonen has made her at par with Alhaitham if not better and I say this as #1 Alhaitham simp.

[@xeiv1]

Archons and Harbingers should not even be considered, period. And as things are, none of the existing characters should be added, because that would start a riot because of obvious reasons. But all things considered, geo and physical characters are what the standart banner is missing, so at this point Xilonen can still be flushed there as a new addition..

[@Anika9691]

Losing 50-50 to Xilonen will be so fling good 😂

[@giorgostrim3709]

No f way Xilonen will be on standard banner. With her whale bait c2

[@MC-tb4zk]

I feel like you didn’t factor in the power of their constellations. It doesn’t matter if a C0 Ganyu is no longer meta - they’ll never make her standard because it’ll make her C6 accessible essentially for free, at which point she is more cracked than many C0 limited DPS’s, even contemporary ones. So you have to consider their ceiling not their floor in terms of unit potential if you’re trying to theorize who has a chance of going to the standard. Albedo, Venti, Eula, Sigwinne, and Baizhu are the only ones I could see going standard from the current roster because even with C6 they won’t be overly meta competitive with newer units. I think it’s more likely they’ll just do more of the Chronicled Wish type banners for previously limited 5*’s and will pre-plan new units designed to go to standard and scale with higher constellations in mind (like Dehya).

[@flying-ship]

Standard =/= accessible. Unless you are a whale and you pull so many you end up getting all the standard sooner or later.

[@shawn7889]

Why is this meta based? Just make a tier list if that's what you want.. this should be based on story relevance and age. Like yoimiya or Ayaka, integral characters to the story, but I can't get them unless they get a banner. So many like this, sorry i wasn't here during liyue release but I still like some of the characters beyond meta reasons

[@elixieliza]

Its more about company profits. Switching a meta character to standard would not only make the fanbase angry, but people will be less inclined to spend money since its no longer limited. Though I do agree how its super annoying that characters that play a big part in the story barely come back.....

[@sarektv3435]

chiori in standard banner is probably the worst take i've ever seen, and ayaka in "depends if they get powercrept hard enough" when she's been powercrept by literally every dps in the game since 3.0, lol, might be the worst tierlist of all time

[@TheJH1015]

hell Ganyu sort of powercrept Ayaka back because Freeze is dead as a doornail and Ayaka can barely function outside of Freeze/Mono Cryo. Ganyu at least has Melt at her disposal.

[@sarektv3435]

@ Literally, Ayaka is arguably the worst cryo dps right now, and yes, im counting Chongyun, at least he has burnmelt with Emilie to help him a bit, unlike Ayaka who's only been getting worse since Sumeru started

[@horrorcity7314]

​@sarektv3435 Ngl I do think Ayaka has the potential to be the best, it's just that hoyo likes fucking her over with freeze immune and cryo resistant enemies. I have seen quite a few Ayaka mains run mono cryo instead of freeze so she isn't _entirely_ locked to freeze if the circumstances are right. Ayaka/Shenhe/Kazuha/Xilonen now. And the Furina Charlotte team means you don't have to pull Shenhe anymore if you want to play Ayaka freeze (since it's literally just better).

[@alfredxsiv]

it should be stated that you can't just willy-nilly put a once limited banner only character into the standard banner unless specifically stated that they are going to the standard banner like tighnari and dehya. This is cause there are actually laws about this, its a major reason why the neuvillette "nerf" was heavily pushed back. It's also why they experimented with chronicled banner that one time where it felt like the characters there should be in standard banner (in terms of their "value") but it doesn't use standard wish currency as again there are laws surrounding this topic (an example of this is how all gambling adjacent games are required to show the actual rates of getting an "item/character", this was not the case before). So what hoyo said that they are going to add more characters in the standard banner is basically them saying that they will add new 5-star characters that has yet to come out (similar to tighnari and dehya), not necessarily adding old characters to the standard banner. as a disclaimer, i do not specifically know what those specific laws as i'm not an expert in those field and yes i know this video is just for fun and should not be taken seriously.

[@lordkaiser1404]

Why are you still bothering to make this video? It's impossible for this to be implemented as it's against the law in China. It would be false advertising to put a limited character to the Standard Banner.

[@henryeowens]

Hear me out. For the “rotating basis” characters, what if they added a special event once or twice a year where if you lose a 50/50, it has a second 50/50 between the standard characters and the weaker limited characters.

[@polarroars68]

Lyney would get so much better if there was a pyro character that drained hp to make a shield and give a dmg bonus so he could run without zhongli

[@Akaishu294]

19:30 One's presence alone gives me goose bumps😭😭😭

[@FelixLeibelt]

its even more so the case since in Honkai Impact 3rd (another Hoyoverse game) they added 6 of the previosly limeted characters to that games version of the standard banner (which already had around 25 different s-class chars at that point)

[@galaxa13]

When hoyoverse said they want to add more characters to the standard banner I took that to mean more future characters will end up there, like what happened with Tighnari and Dehya. It never once crossed my mind that they'd go back and add older characters into the standard. Maybe I'm just being dumb, but I'm going to continue thinking my first assessment, because I don't want to get my hopes up only to be disappointed.

[@Beztebyo]

as a klee (and scara) main and Venti lover i would go crazy happy if they add them in the standard banner, like i would constantly pull on the standard banner if that happens

[@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato]

Genuine question: are yall spending your primos on standard banner wishes? I only spend primos on limited banner. And, so far, it seems like I almost never get free standard banner fates in game. So it seems like the only way to really care about standard banner is if you’re into hardcore Genshin gambling by spending your primos (and possibly your irl money) on a banner that has no increased rates for anyone, and is way more crowded with characters. Anyway. The standard banner is so crowded. People who have been playing for a pretty long time still haven’t pulled certain standard banner characters… I just find it hard to feel excited about any character being added to standard banner. It seems like banners just need a rework overall. Am I missing something with the standard banner? I’d love to know if I am 💖 thank you!

[@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato]

Adding: I’ve only been playing since April 2024, but I complete BP and get the standard fates from stardust exchange. Ive only gotten enough standard fates to get two 5 stars in almost 8 months. I did have to go to 80+ pity on both apparently lol. One was an Amos bow, and the other was Skyward Pride 💀 lmao. I would never be able to bring my myself to spend primogems/money on the standard banner. With my experience thus far, I can’t imagine that adding more characters to the standard banner would help anything. I’d rather have a new permanent banner with some sort of system that increases the odds of certain characters. Whether it’s a rotating system based on nations or birthdays or whatever. Or something similar to the epitomized path. Anything would be better than nothing.

[@Renderc4t]

It is a very slow trickle when you just use the free standard fates. For reference since the start of 2021 I've had: 660 standard banner wishes. 20% of my total F2P wishes. Ending up with 11 standard 5 stars. I think most people are operating under the assumption that adding characters to the standard banner would mean being able to lose your limited banner 50/50 to them but it would still have the crowding problems you highlighted.

[@Exacerberus]

​@@LiterallyJustAnActualPotatoIts not like people usually spend primos on the standard banner, just their spare Acquainted Fates they get from various sources, but adding more characters to the standard banner is a way to get them indirectly any time you lose a 50/50.

[@gamories]

I have played around 5month and I have every standard banner character now with mona and keqing both c1, and yeah i wished on standard no more than 150time

[@nunyabusiness3652]

I think Hoyoverse should add the previous released 5 star characters into the stardard banner for every few patches like how Reverse 1999 does with their 6 stars (except for their limited characters)

[@anlantico]

Put Hu-tao on standard so I can C6 her even faster

[@SHGogo-df5jr]

No way Hoyo would put any Archon in standard. Regardless of meta, lore-wise they r very special. They know that there are players who collect them & then they wouldn't be able to make any $ on them... Since at least now, no standard banner chara has gotten a featured banner (with exceptions, but i don't think we'll get them more in the future)

[@cylenalag]

Never cook again

[@Sleepynorth]

c1r1 chiori main here, and i can't tell if i'm offended or not lmao

[@NikoNikii]

Cool video! I actually spoke to one of my friends last time about updating standard banner in Genshin and believe it or not I specifically mentioned : Venti, Klee, Eula, Albedo and Yoimiya are a must have. Also I'm hoping for Xianyun rerun, cause honestly I need her more than most of the natlan characters live everyone else 😭😅🤣

[@nxkx4079]

my navia exists for the sole reason i wanted a strong geo (thank god for Imaginarium theather)

[@danielferrieri7434]

I want Albedo, Kokomi, Eula, Klee, and Emilie on the standard banner

[@athashin87]

i can understand everyone here except emilie i dont think a standard character should do 70k per 2-3 seconds while also having arguably the second best dendro app in the game like if you think emilie is albedo tier she definitely is not

[@thechannelisdeadalongtimea9143]

​@@athashin87 she's arguably the best sub dps in terms of damage

[@kianmarcial8884]

​@@athashin87emilie is xiangling tier. Why is it always have to be xiangling

[@ibrahim5463]

You are underastimating my girl emilie value

[@kawaiimika7974]

No, Emilie shouldn't be on standard banner, Al Haitham would be a better pick since his constalations are useless

[@everythingisterrible8862]

What's funny is thinking Furina and Nahida will never be power crept. Five years from now when they release the pushed hot new Lumen or Umbra all-star character that passively does 50k damage a second by also standing around doing nothing, the girl'll feel like Klee does now. They gotta keep making money. What's kind of sad is how the Elemental skills and bursts keep getting stronger and stronger, while the auto attacks never improve. It's super nostalgic to think back on how strong physical Fischl is in the base game.

[@Omegadragon4]

Honestly for the current Natlan characters, I'd say Mualani would be on a rotation consideration, while Kinich would be never made permanent like Xilonen. Mualani is strong, with useful water traversal, but Kinich hits like a truck and his traversal is league's above Mualani's especially in Natlan. People will pull for him just for his grappling hook

[@evilsatorii]

from what I heard last Venti´s rerun was in 4.1 that ended in November 7 2023 so that was almost a year ago and there's still no sign of his rerun and so everyone who started playing this game in 4.1 or after that and want to get him ( like me) is still waiting

[@ratkinggreg8965]

Archons get rerun on a timer every region so he’ll be back soon

[@Braxenimos]

Navia being on standard is crazy

[@DrSri0208]

Exactly 😂

[@Siscon92]

Add the characters they gave up on, like Eula and Shenhe. I wouldn’t mind fumbling my way to a C6 Eula by the end of the game EDIT: I don’t appreciate this kind of unmethodical approach. Basically saying you wish almost all characters where standard. That makes it completely pointless

[@Lovely.SakuraDoll]

If they put Wrio on the standard banner, I'll only be pulling that going forward😅 Really upset he has not had a single rerun, when Chiori etc get one before him!

[@helgen9311]

They shouldn't move old characters who were our goals in spending real money / saving for months just so anybody can casually pull a Venti while doing a random blue pull. It is clear that old characters are not that popular nowadays (welcome to Gacha games where the main thing is to make you wanna spend money on new stuff u really """"need"""") so there should be a huge Legacy banner where you can pull for constellations or their weapons, just once a year for example, but it makes no sense that you lose your 50/50 to Zhongli while he is still the best shield in the game. There aren't better characters, there are ones with bigger multippliers and better CD's/ energy costs, but literally c0 Kaeya can clear the game. If you see carefully, not even 1 boss is made to fight a c6 5*, they would just melt in 0,1 sec that proves how c6ing a character is just a way to prove your love to them, not to clear anything from the game. I still clear 36* Abyss using Venti, Zhongli, Ayato, Lyney, Eula, Albedo, Klee, Shenhe.... so Idk exactly what's the point on saying they bad (they might be slower at clearing content, maybe, but imagine who would pull for a new character if 1.X were so much better). Use your brain, it's an easy game, content is just for entertainment not to justify tops or rankings.

[@chainsow47]

I am glad to meet a reasonable person who understands the essence of the issue. The only thing I want to add is that old characters really shouldn't be made "broken", however, this doesn't mean that they should be forgotten and no supports should be released. Like what's happening with Eula now. This is wrong and unfair. I understand how Hoyo is desperately trying to sell Neuvillette by releasing his third broken support to make him seem strong (even though he is absolutely not), but I think that all characters deserve to receive good support.

[@luvrqi]

This list seems more like "What's more convenient for the players (or what makes it easier on you)" instead of "What makes hoyo more money" .Hoyo wouldnt make it easier on us for no reason. The characters that should go on that list are forgotten, very weak characters that even Furina wouldnt be able to fix or characters that just dont make hoyo money at all. Although doing that would be very illegal in China.

[@luvrqi]

Also, it wouldnt be easier on the players for all characters to be in a single banner where your odds of getting them is like 0.00001. The bigger the cast, the bigger the chances are that you won't like the character you get, making it even worse for the player because id be MAD if instead of getting my limited character, not only i wouldnt get a c4 jean, id get a Lyney or Childe

[@catchanepicwaveWHOOSH]

The constellations of characters from fontaine and natlan are very strong. It would be a win if you lose your 50-50 to Wriothesley, Lyney and Chiori constellations.

[@kawaii974]

something i would have liked you to take into consideration is their place in the story, popularity and general screentime. For exemple I kind of agree with your stance on Wanderer but considering how insanely popular he is in the community (especially CN) I would him into the "never" tier just for that. Another exemple is Klee, I 100% agree with your opinion on her and I think another reason why she should be at the top is because she comes back often in the summer and is very well known in general even outside of Genshin, but no hardcore fans whatsoever, she's just the "little genshin girl" and that makes her iconic, would be nice to have her available at all times just for that.

[@gribberoni]

At the start I got a little worried since you didn't sound as cheerful as you usually did, but it seems this is just morning Vars doing a live recording 😅 Thanks for all the hard work! The discussion vids are always a treat!

[@espysyn]

Simple fix: Element rerun. Here is your newest limit character in banner 1. Here is your rerun banner 2; this patch it is Cryo, pick which Cryo character you want to pull for (just like you pick which weapon you pull for, or the special rerun we had a freaking year or so ago)

[@ManofP-CAN]

I ended up getting Chiori when she first released, and I agree with her being a good candidate for the permanent banner. She's pretty simple to build (artifact wise at least) and plays well with the common 4-star Geo characters. Only point of complaint I have with Chiori is that you need to farm stuff in both Inazuma and Fontaine which can be annoying if you have not explored them much yet as a newbie. Recent QOL changes made it easier to get some materials for her though so that's a minor problem now.

[@usmanya5110]

This is actually an interesting list. albeit with some minor nitpicks i feel like Navia and Arlechino should be in the probably never permanent category or The both of them and alhaitham should be in the depends if they get powercrept category with neuv being the only dps to be in the never permanent category. Before xilonen i would agree with this but after xilonen hmm.... Albedo is obvious though. Idk about chiori being the same tier since she is just better albedo, and i remember the time where before she released thought of her as a standard banner unit when i thought it didn't make any sense since she looks like a better albedo. Childe is interesting though since internate hasn't received anything new. He still has a pretty strong niche even if it's not as dominant and it's very investment intensive. Yoimiya, ouch.. but i can see why. Ayato agree, probably even moreso than childe since dude hardly has a niche these days. Eula, this feels pretty obvious, she's the face of physical which is a dying element these days. Honestly though i think if it were to happen it would depend. I have a feeling archons(minus probably venti, the dude has the most basic kit of any archon by today's standards) and op supports(Xilonen, Kazuha, Yelan.) And dpses That don't just dish out really high damage but are consistent and also have flexibility in rotations, or a good element that can drive while also providing solid damage(Neuvi, Arle, Navia and Alhaitham.) Will never be permanent. Nevertheless still a good list though.

[@roccopolo__1300]

I think I've seen so many ppl on Twt saving for Arlechino that I would put her in the same tier as Neuv but most of the placements make sense

[@usmanya5110]

Same i actually feel like she and navia would be with neuvillette and Al or Al, Arle and Navia at the tier below neuvi since i think he's in a whole different level of crazy with his dumb stuff. The reason why i think these wouldn't be permanent isn't their damage. i mean they have great damage but Mualani and Lyney and to extent hu tao in ST can beat them in the damage ceiling department and maybe xiao could beat those 4 in the dpr department. But compared to the other those guys they feel more consistent, Easier, more flexibility with their rotations such as Al with his mirror mechanic and Arle with how she work with BoL. Like you don't lose too much from swapping out compared to some of the older dpses.

[@Splooshi]

Do you and Rathiel have the same writer Vars?

[@rioelriahmoc]

Future updates should be considered, too. Notice how Hoyo has found ways to indirectly buff Dehya and the burning reaction when Natlan patch got released. I have a feeling physical damage or shatter reaction may get some attention when Shneznaya becomes accessible. With this in mind, Eula might remain limited until then.

[@zosang6069]

hoyoverse need to make some kind of selector banner after completing a character’s story quest. Like for example, completing a character’s quest will get you like a book and collecting like 4 books will allow u to unlock a banner u want

[@gustavohunter7483]

Aaaand we're left with a permanent full of pyro characters and only 1 or 2 electro/geo permanent 5 stars

[@Zodia195]

I keep wondering if Cryo will make a resurgence at some point PURELY because we got Snezhnaya next year and you know EVERYONE is going to be looking at the Tsaritsa. I know I will. Now this is my bias, but I love Cryo (due to my love for anything ice related, similar to how I feel about water). So that's my reason. But I'll freely admit, the only Cryo char I am using consistently is Layla. Any skill or reaction that limits an opponents' movement is a huge plus in my eyes and that's why I enjoy the Freeze reaction (it's also why I love Sigewienne's skill, it heals and immobilizes certain foes). But yeah we got Citlali coming out at some point so maybe they'll do something her. The last Cryo char we got was Charlotte. I am slowly building her to be on my Navia team.

[@lorenzlighter]

i think wriothesley is much better than ayaka, simply because he can adapt to situations where ayaka cant. her best team will always be freeze, and melt ayaka is kinda copium. too many issues with her, but wriothesley has a lot more teams and is just more flexible, so i actuqlly find it hard to believe that hoyo would make him standard before ayaka

[@bcaz385]

The answer is none of them. Genshin advertise them as limited, they needed to be limited so that they won’t get sue for false advertising. They could make a new banner that have old 5 star rotating every patch, but if any limited character went non limited they would faced lawsuits from CN players immediately.

[@davidarenas2500]

There is another gacha that does this, NIKKE, but, unlike genshin impact and its siblings, NIKKE gives A LOT of both premium and ordinary wishes per event, and that doesnt happen in any hoyoverse game Another thing is that NIKKE lets you choose which SSR(5*) characters from the many manufacturers you want to get in your wishes because the whole pool of characters is pretty big

[@princeofhyrule2205]

I’ve been saying they should just make region banners. The older the region, the lower the pity must reach before pulling a 5*. Maybe Fontaine and Natlan would still be the normal price and pity, but each region later drops pity required to pull a 5* by a bit. Maybe the lowest could be 40 pity.

[@princeofhyrule2205]

Flooding standard banner with a ton of characters doesn’t fix the issue of not being able to pull for rarer characters. In some ways, it makes it worse

[@paulamblard3836]

i think they should make that we can gain mush more standard wish. as exemple, add to the events a gain of "secondogem", that can only be use to buy standard wish. (without reduce the gain of primogem) also, make that we can gain a lot of it from exploration, as exemple, a chest that give 5 primo would also give 20 secondo.

[@logikx1325]

I think they should just set a time window from release, like 2 or 3 years from when a character releases. Any character beyond that window goes on permanent banner. At the same time, give us a selector to where we can pick a "focus" on the permanent banner (since once a character moves there they won't get limited banners anymore), that guarantees a character (same pity system as limited, so 50/50 then hard guarantee) and make it so it can only be used once every 2 or 3 patches. A lot of other gachas do something similar.

[@logikx1325]

This also solves the problem of people feeling "sleighed" if their favorite gets moved there because it is an eventuality all will face.

[@cjhardy1226]

The thing is they can still rerun standard banner characters on their own banners and that will give a little better of a chance to get the character since you would have a 1/something chance to get them even if you lose 50/50. They could realistically put units in standard and still rerun without being unfair to those who want them, or add a "fate point" system to the standard so we could get more "limited characters" permanently. This leans into the fact that in some gacha games they have every character available all the time but they're less likely to get if they're not rate up, which is something they could consider when looking at making characters permanent and still rerunning them less often to guarantee those that want them the character.

[@vherdelviperblade753]

The only 5 star characters eligible for standard should be those with nearly useless constellations like Childe or Albedo. For example, Chiori might be unpopular but her damage output gets drastically better with every constellation she gets, way too much compared to what standard 5 star characters can do at c6.

[@therranolleo468]

sadly probs none of the preexisting chars will go to standard; I think it breaks Chinese law on fasle marketting/advertising or something since they're labeled as "limited" from the start with no notion of being added to standard whatsoever, or at least that's what I heard from my understanding, true Chinese players can correct me here I think what the devs meant was just adding more upcoming new characters to the standard banner fron Natland and beyond instead of adding pre-existing 5* as standard banner

[@ethanmiller631]

11:31 that's a wet take because everyone knows that she should've been permanent from the beginning

[@joshuafenty5621]

My only reservation with so many of the Cryo units being where they are is that Snezhnaya and the release of the Tsaritsa will probably usher in a Cryo meta. Shenhe especially being free would be a huge missed opportunity for sales.

[@alyasenju]

to be honest, standard banner shouldn't be a thing in the first place. blue fate existed so that Hoyo can give you "wishing reward" without really affecting how much player spend on the game

[@cqwiii]

Another option could be to make a limited amount of a character available from the standard 5 star pool For instance if you could only get 1 copy of Chiori from standard banner.. If I won a Chiori from standard banner, Id be far more inclined to pull on her limited banner for c1 as I consider her an incomplete "some parts sold seperarely" character at c0 Same for Wriothesly But the a char like Sigewinne.. she only becomes a 5 star healer at c1.. but also needs more cons and/or weapon for her burst to be worth a shit, would need more copies available I dont think Hoyo would ever do it though as it would basically be them admitting they chopped up some complete characters to milk us for constellation money

[@sciencethygod]

They should add 5 stars to the standard banner after 6 months, and be focus selectable. There's just way too many characters to keep this limited 50/50 bs going. Weapons should always be selectable whenever, and 4 stars to be farmable. Man PGR had it right. Focus less on gatcha and make more skins to make up for the lose, like whales are still gonna spend to C6/R5 so I doubt it would change anything really.

[@nikolastokic4209]

I think there should be a 3rd kind of character banner, basically just the chronicled qish but permanent and if you lose a 5050 on a limited banner, you can get both the standard and the new banner's characters.

[@tritran7003]

0:38 I'm so sorry bro

[@pagauthier3079]

Every 5* that has a paid skin should go on standard banner and add some more 5* into standard too. Also should remove Chronicled banner -that is inexistant anyway- and make standard banner the same way.

[@PenguinDust1969]

An interesting video but there's way too much personal bias to progress the discussion beyond, "I like this character and I don't like this character." A more valuable guide would have been based off use rates in the Abyss and banner sales. Still, the conversation about the Standard Banner is something worth talking about. I just watched a new video from Juice on the infrequency of Acquaint Fates, so it looks like the SB is a topic going around again.

[@yuri-b1rd]

imo, banners like chronicled wish should adhere to in-game events. example: sumeru event, sabseruz festival, so a sumeru limited chronicled wish type of banner. that way people can plan agead better too, think of lantern rite, that could feature a liyue chronicled wish, etc

[@dolly3959]

they already have something of a predictable pattern with this. xiao always reruns around liyue's lantern rite. we just had a sabseruz festival event and nahida is running alongside it. the pattern is already there, so it shouldn't be that hard for hoyo to just go all out and make a full chronicled wish banner in theme with the events. they could still put desirable characters like xiao and nahida on limited banners, and put the less desirable ones like shenhe or cyno in the chronicled banner.

[@yuri-b1rd]

@dolly3959 exactlyyyy

[@RainStorm148]

i honestly don't think they can do that unless the 5★ has been advertised from the start as coming to standard after the patch they debuted in ended. if that counts as false advertising, they can get into serious trouble. HSR style triple banner might be one of the few ways to have faster reruns but that will come at a cost. Chronicled is fine with Monstadt, Liyue and Sumeru since they have 2-3 characters on Standard, but Fontaine and Inazuma lacks standard characters. Given how often they like to rerun Archons (and Neuvilette), i don't think they should to go standard. so are the Harbingers. of course, there are other games they could've borrowed idea from. and in my experience, they have separate ways to "rerun" limited cards faster than usual. these examples will be from games that i played: Game A holds a special birthday banner for one of their 52 characters. granted you can only used paid currency to pull here, but spending those paid currency also rewards you a skin / costume (and additional cosmetics) on top of being a guaranteed max rarity card of that character. unfortunately, the guaranteed rainbow might not be a limited card. they also do limited reruns on the end of feb, may, aug and nov. on top of that, getting a duplicate of a card you already own instead gives you a prismatic material that can be used for any card of the same rarity. Game B has 2 "standard" banners, with one being the actual standard and the other was for the "Another" variant. Another variant started as limiteds (but was never referred to as a limited). as the number of "Another" type characters begin to increase, they implemented the "Another" banner, which has 3 different characters with increased rates on every week. also, their standard banner has a featured trio as well, which gives a higher odds of getting a specific standard character.