What Happened To Razor? | Why People Stopped Playing Him | Genshin Impact

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[@freemelons1706]

the problem with razor I found is that, he's not even a weak character or bad character, he's just powercrept to oblivion, both in phys res enemies and in the character roaster, eula. if there's more enemies that requires you to use physical more, I feel like razors popularity would at least skyrocket a little, being one of the 3 only "proper" physical carries in the game. I love razor and he will always be my favorite character next to noelle and yanfei, which quite coincidentally enough, you've made videos for both of them already lol. razor is just a victim of circumstances, hell Im a razor main for the longest of times and I'm not planning on ever benching him. he's my most invested unit next to the other 2 I mentioned and I just recently c6 him in the banner of eternity. but I have stop using him as much as I used to because of the many amount of mechanical enemies in the game. and then again, eula exist. hoyo also seems to be pushing on elemental reactions and damage more for now. why bother market physical when the appeal of your game is the elements? and if people really want to use physical, why use razor over eula?

[@Iskou307]

How did u read off the vid's script? 💀

[@jenniferchaulam]

/mirror maidens have low phys res, and people brushed her off with her tanky hp i always say "use razor on her yall works like a champ" but man i was agressive and people called me a simp sooo dont be like me kids

[@freemelons1706]

@@Iskou307 im vars' alt trust me bro

[@Aceleo209]

This might sound dumb but who's the third physical you mentioned? I'm guessing c1 fischl? :D

[@sincerely20]

@@Aceleo209 it's xinyan. A pyro physical DPS with split scaling :')))

[@CozyPosey924]

Maybe the title should be “Why no one plays Razor - Anymore.” I think he's a good character if you don't have a 5-star DPS. But once you have a couple of 5-star DPS, you don't need to use Razor.

[@sulachaprasad]

That was my story till I got ayato , mained razor till ar 53

[@EroMero-tl8sj]

razor sucks big time at higher levels, he is a good early-semi early unit. But is one of the worst mid-end game.

[@jacktom3799]

@@EroMero-tl8sj hes not even that bad late its just others are far far better

[@Ginto_O]

Tru story

When I get Eula it is like I am in danger what do I do with my leveled up Razor good boy?

[@NoForksGiven]

If you want physical damage then Eula happened. If you want to hit things really hard with a greatsword regardless of element, then Itto happened.

[@Superflaming85]

And if you want an early-game/4* claymore that scales super well with constellations and investment to be a late-game powerhouse...then Noelle has always been there. Man, Razor really got the short end of the stick.

[@RogerNbr]

If you want a stand that goes ORA tho...

[@phucgiang395]

@@Superflaming85 Beidou

[@owo4470]

i was using physical zhongli even before his buff xd

[@barbaradesigns1774]

@@phucgiang395 one of the reasons that got me to dislike Razor for a really long time was early Genshin (1.0). I got C1 Beidou on Venti banner, together with Fischl, Xianglind and Barbara, that was my main team and until this day the best supports for many of my teams. Until ar50 Beidou was my big dmg dealer and all the time people would nag me saying I had a terrible team and DPS, only Diluc, Keqing and Razor was good characters and using anyone besides those was bad. I got Keqing later, still thought she was weaker than my Beidou for a second DPS for abyss. Still dont have Diluc, and never tried Razor, because soon after I got Eula too.

[@jennivaong9402]

Very simple, he's similar to yanfei who actually can do pretty fine but they just got shut down with so much competition. I think there's more here and there but I think this is the one ruining him the most as a former razor main Edit: y'all I'm not comparing their power level I'm saying they just lost to competition, I main both of them 💀

[@jinshootingstar]

Yeah but Yanfei is Pyro, have massive range and can be build to be a shielder. So, she still wins. Poor doggo

[@nathanaelpierre9439]

I don't think they are similar at all. Yanfei suffers from being decent in an element that has many amazing/boarderline broken pyro units, and even then she has a secondary practical use in "Tankfei". Razor suffers from being a greedy dps that doesn't have the scaling to justify being a greedy dps, which is made apparent by his only direct competition, Eula, who has much higher scalings and a playstyle that facilitates other sub-dps characters by capitalizing on her big nuke.

[@Spiderrtank]

Yanfei imo can find some play whenever ranged attacks are needed Like vs Oceanid

[@wrioculus]

@@Spiderrtank or thundering manifestation. i remember a lot of people built half-baked yanfeis to deal with it in abyss because of how difficult it is to kill quickly without a ranged dps.

[@AliAli-sp1qw]

Have u tried Raiden with Yanfei? No? Then I guess u will never know how much damage she can do

[@hnnnnnsp2296]

Razor is honestly a great character, I love his voice, his design, backstory, and especially his gameplay. I think everything about him was done correctly to be a great 4* DPS. However the reason why I don’t main him as much as I used to is because more characters keep coming out and I enjoy their play styles more than Razor’s. And I think that’s one of the reasons he’s not played as much anymore, not to mention he’s a 4* DPS and I can’t imagine him in a team where he plays as a support role since his kit is centered around him doing all the dmg. Once again, he’s an amazing character, but he’s sadly overshadowed by those who have power-crept him.

[@cheese7119]

I like his English :3 is adorable

[@kimkardashi-un2.051]

@@cheese7119 Me like Razor's English dub

[@dsakurai]

Razor... likes... this... comment! Also, most people I know see him as a main dps, but he can be a great support too! I use him as a superconduct trigger: electro first, cryo second, for Eula, and his electro application is super fast, and his E has a super short cooldown time, so I can just swap in and out for more superconduct cycles quickly. If you're lucky to have WGS, he'll be an even better support! I build him with a 4 piece Noblesse with Electro goblet, and ATK sands, with as much crit rate/dmg as possible, because his E can also be a copium attack support too. We just have to be creative playing him, since this is what Genshin is all about anyways, finding the strength of each character so that we can use them to their best potential!

[@Aliens1337]

- Selfish carries are really not the meta anymore. Even someone like Xiao who has insane multipliers and AoE dmg are not as good anymore. Quick swap teams that rely on burst rotations, like National or Freeze, are much stronger because you get all that nice i-frames during burst activations AND doing a ton of dmg at the same time. Selfish carries are more vulnerable to taking dmg and interruptions so they need to be paired with a shielder in most cases, which also limit their team comps. - Razor really doesn’t have much AoE, which makes him pretty bad for Abyss. Yes I know his attack is technically AoE, but I’m talking like Xiangling/Childe/Xiao/Kazoo/Ganyu/Ayaka level of AoEs. Razor needs another Anemo unit to group enemies for him, and since he’s physical, Anemo VV doesn’t shred, so you’re kind of wasting a teammate slot. - Eula is just better as a phys carry. Higher base stats, better scalings, faster attacks (without ult), built-in phys shred, giant nuke dmg that Razor lacks, and also AoE dmg with hold E and Q. Eula also works really well with Raiden, who is an SSS tier unit. While Razor’s best supports aren’t some giga-busted units like Raiden. Eula has both a higher floor AND a much much much higher ceiling when it comes to power level, so really no reason to play Razor if you had Eula.

[@trevordavis6830]

Yeah, I used to love having Razor as my main dps since I loved using his power-up ult. Its really satisfying to basically do a supersayian transformation in the middle of battle and then proceed to just wreck everything around you. Then I got Xiao who basically did the same thing but better, and since then I've only ever used Razor in my main team whenever I needed some electro attacks for exploration.

[@jamalhartley5863]

Its so funny how Razor has all the tools to be the edgiest of characters, right up there with Xiao. But Mihoyo accidentally dumped too much good boi energy. Now he's adorable and Bennett's new best friend.

[@conor8185]

okay i GOTTA say this. razor was tailored for early game. he DOES have good supports. kaeya is a fantastic razor sub dps if you build him properly, which makes perfect sense considering he's, y'know, a starter. his glacial waltz is basically just a cryo version of xiangling's pyronado. the off field cryo application is exactly what razor needs. you can throw in fischl for some double electro and more off-field damage, and add a healer or a shielder. it's not that razor is or has ever been a character not designed for the game. he absolutely was. the game has just evolved and changed so much that he's gotten left behind

[@cesarpedrazamartinezgarcia725]

Don't forget our girl Qiqi, she's worse applicator but covers sustain as well, he has 2 options

[@jadecoolness101]

@@cesarpedrazamartinezgarcia725 Yeah but Qiqi is a standard banner 5 star. I was lucky enough to get her C1 but... There are still many who don't even have her

[@toukoenriaze9870]

If only you didn't have to roll for him and he came with the story

[@chaosinfernoid9008]

Every 4 Star is for Early and Midgame... (Except Supports)

[@riotangel4701]

Razor, Kaeya, Ningguang are exactly in my ore farming crew.

[@MeladiFae]

I also think one of the things that killed Razor is because he was featured on Kazuha's banner and then first seen again on Ayaka's rerun, meaning A LOT of people never even had him unless they somehow got him on Standard, and if they finally got him on Ayaka, the majority are past the beginning phase where he's good.

[@lordofshibainus]

I was so lucky to get him on Noelle's banner (somehow before her too lol) because I started right around Zhongli's first rerun banner. It took forever to get a single constellation for him since he was never featured and standard banner is such a mess,

[@JohnWolf926]

Doesn’t that mean he was on two of the best 5star banners in the game?

[@jadecoolness101]

THis is what happened to me. I wanted Razor so badly, but by the time I got him I already had Kaeya built up as my main (still use him in abyss to this day) and was working on Zhongli and Yanfei.

[@marianacalil6467]

I got him after Eula, so... yeah.

[@bryceyoder4709]

Started playing this year and summoned for Ayaka on her rerun and got C4 Rosaria and C3 Sayu and no Razor. RIP guess I’ll wait till he randomly shows up on standard

[@Dynachu]

I've been a Razor main since day 1, slowly moving away from it though as he's getting more and more powercrept by new ennemies and character in general. ._. Double crowned and never gonna regret it, he carried me through so much of the game. Much love for our little wolf boy :D

[@antdrawz199]

Finally found a razor main :D

[@Ryume99]

I was a Razor main since day 1, in 1.1. When 2.3 was released i stopped to use him by the same reasons. I triple crown him and demolish everithing. The best fight my razor got was against Raiden Ei in 2.1. I hope in the future i can rebuid him and playing him like the old days... But i have characters to finish to build.

[@sucharitaMCK]

I mained Razor because I love his character but mainly because I lacked a second DPS for the abyss, and he did lead me to clear floor 10 for the first time, I also enjoyed one shotting stuff holding his E, plus his burst has one of the best animations in the game according to me However he does fall short in front of other 5 star DPSs (which is natural as a 4 star, why would Hoyoverse create a powerful 4 star DPS anyway) so when I got Ayaka I stopped playing him :(

[@mulraf]

same. honestly he still is somewhat ok. just did 36* with him on one team as a main dps so yeah, you can definitely do all the content with him. (ok, mostly thanks to national on the other team but still xd)

[@sakiclips6984]

I started playing since December 2021 and I managed to get Razor off banner pretty early in my game. He's carried me so much during my early AR days but slowly took him off my team because I got newer characters 0(( I am planning to build him again now that I used up all my wishes for Yelan and prefarmed for Itto so the boss mats will go to levelling up Yun Jin to make into Razor's perfect team mate

[@Qkochan3]

I don't even think Razor's problem is even powercreep, its the fact that Physical damage is an antithesis to how the game's combat is designed. Eula is a perfect example of this because they had to inflate her DPS to such absurd percentages and scaling that she could be on par with premier 5* main dps, but STILL isn't considered t0 while doing millions. i feel like they kept physical in because honkai has phys characters (herrscher of sentience being an above t0 phys character at this point), but generally elemental damage will always trump physical. they should've made him do a ton of electro dmg in his burst, could be an amazing driver for reactions that way.

[@Hoolahups]

It always shocks me when people put eula as a top tier dps, because a single ruin enemy, which are quickly becoming the most common enemy in the game, can massively nerf her, along with her c0 burst only doing decent damage for how long it takes to use it. She's by no mean bad, and I think she's really balanced, unlike the actual top tier dpses. Razor just has all of her problems but magnified

[@proles8]

I feel like certain things are meant for early/mid/late game, and physical is meant for early game outside of Eula just look at physical xiangling, fischl, and rosaria. great early but most transferring over to their elements late game. c6 razor seems to be a ton of electro

[@HoloUniversee]

and in late game there will be even more enemies resistant to phys damage because Khaenri'ah has no human enemies most likely.

[@Hoolahups]

@@sera8648 i know for a fact that hu tao and yoimiya can put out more damage, especially against single target, which is most of Eula's normal attack damage anyway, and diluc puts out comparable damage too if he vapes consistently. Eula is by no means bad, shes really good, but the fact that she's physical means that you can't support her with kazuha or EM donors or VV, which are all super important for well rounded team comps. Maybe the meta will change at some point, and maybe dainsleifs element will introduce physical bonuses, but for now shes only an A tier dps, leaving hu tao, ayaka and ganyu at S, simply due to reaction potential.

[@fansim6110]

@@sera8648 i dont think her dmg is t1 dps, her dmg should be t0 dps but phys res from enemies just push her down so bad

[@keru4393]

Man Razor was my first Main DPS and probably a lot of other people’s I even double crowed him but he fell off so hard it hurts. Even if he was Top 5 Main DPS at the beginning that was because we only had like 4 Main DPS characters and most of them were either 5 stars or 4 stars that needed constellations to really output good on field damage. On top of getting powercreept by newer characters, physical is not doing him any favors, I can’t even think of one situation where you would need physical in this game. Aside from the doom and gloom I really hope Hoyo starts to rework characters going forward.

[@Ginto_O]

Yeah he has my first crown

[@elirei_]

He was my first dps but I don't use him anymore cause I have better units

[@Ryume99]

Razor was my first Main DPS since 1.1. when 2.3 started i stopped using him, because i realize i build a lot of characters and deal more dagame in less time. But my Razor is the only triple crown character in my account and fought and defeat Raiden Ei (Archon Mission Boss fight). I hope someday i rebuild him and bring him back, for the old times.

[@h1suu]

Whats doom and gloom?

[@keru4393]

@@h1suu negative, sad and tragic

[@mimixyu1010]

My friend still mains him even though she has characters like Xiao, Itto, and Ayaka. She really likes his playstyle and personality so thats the main reason she still uses him

[@notrowlet]

razor is wolf boi, so i main him

[@agentblackbird9435]

I can respect that

[@stephaniesauer3407]

No way, am I your friend because I literally have them too and still am a proud, crowned Razor main💀

[@kaworunagisas]

i have raiden, xiao, ayaka, eula, the list goes on and i STILL main razor lmao 😭 i’ve mained him since day one and at this point i’ve invested so much into him i don’t feel like maining anyone else

[@hey7492]

thats literally me with my triple crowned razor help. I main Itto and Ayaka too, but I prefer Razor's playstyle tbf, so most times I can, I'll always use him.

[@sadbread3797]

Hoyoverse just simply loves adding enemies with phys res and be tanky asf,phys damage isn't as powerful as elemental reactions to the meta Eula is an exception but that's because she is broken and a 5 * As someone who uses phys Kaeya it's kinda frustrating to see more enemies with physical res in the abyss and sometimes I prefer raw dmg,even with superconduct you feel like phys dmg isn't as poweful as elemental reactions Razor just happened to be both powercrept and a victim of circumstances,I honestly would love to see more characters relying on physical dmg

[@jadecoolness101]

This is why I switched my phys Kaeya to Cryo with Chongyun. Absolutely unbeatable now.

[@imo098765]

@@jadecoolness101 Kaeya c6 with Shenhe, is broken and if you a kaeya main you should be getting his const. from the shop

[@jadecoolness101]

@@imo098765 yeah Kaeya is at C3 now... but he only shows up in the shop once every 6 months.

[@JustANyanCat]

I have 2 artifact sets for kaeya, one for physical and one for cryo, then I switch based on the abyss rotation Sadly electro Razor doesn't really work :

[@mehrzadmohamadi6489]

You literally failed to say his biggest weakness. He has no aoe. I tried him for a while and his numbers easily skyrocket with c6 yunjin and rozaria. The problem is that you have to run around finishing every enemy 1 by 1.

[@JeSt4m]

uhh that's also a problem for the likes of Ayaka, Eula, Diluc, Itto or most DPS. It's not even Razor exclusive problem. When you're forced to fight enemy that spreads out there's really no easy way to deal with it other than having someone SUCC them together which is why Succrosse, Venti and Kazuha is kinda mandatory for those abyss where enemy spread everywhere (I'm looking at you 11-1!) The thing is even if you can reach say 25k per hit with Razor he still need to compete with quick swap TEAM. that can dealt over 100k per second for like 5-10 seconds if done properly (e.g Raiden National, or Shenhe mono cyro). Razor need to hit as fast as bow or sword user if he want to compete with that number.

[@steven.5720]

@@JeSt4m but those characters do have great aoe attacks tho

[@JeSt4m]

@@steven.5720 they have AOE attack NOT great AoE attack. By that token Razor also have great AoE attack with his hold E. Having AoE that you can't use often with small AoE range doesn't make them great AoE. Great AoE means you can hit them far, fast, often and hard. Most unit in Genshin have some AoE attack but only few are truly excel at it.. Unit with great AoE can easily anihillate scattered mob of abyss in like 20 seconds like with Beidou or Ganyu

[@nadauhsojodaravla9749]

Maybe he good in boss fight?

[@anx1ous0ne]

Not with a Kazuha.

[@AevyCh]

The real issue with Razor is Physical attacks in general. It is intentionally designed to be weak since the game main combat mechanic is elemental reactions. The difference between Physical & Elemental damage is extremely huge the more you play the game. Most enemies are tankier against physical damage, with the only exceptions being humans (Fatuus, Hoarders, Samurais). Harbingers (Childe & Signora) takes less physical damage despite being human themselves. Simple reason is lore, yeah no spoilers.

[@Ottobon]

Its there but its not as big as some claim, i can still clear abyss with minutes left over on each half running Physical Fischl, but if you want this is partly a byproduct of the fact luckily artifacts and decent team building still far out scales the end game content, so if invested, if you have good artifacts and know how to build a team for whatever you are trying to do, as niche as it is, then there is wiggle room for you, but for newer players just trying to get by and pureblooded F2Ps (unless they've been playing for maybe a year or more?) this isn't usually the case. Many of those players want and need every advantage they can get in their arsenal, there is a lot less room to have fun with what you simply like. Although i'd argue is there actually? Getting 36* for the first time feels amazing, but rushing to get it and hating the teams you used is surely a bigger waste of time, then any time you saved by playing meta, if said meta isn't one to your own taste.

[@My_Master_Waves]

Your second paragraph is exactly why elemental feels good and physical does not. Most enemies resist only 10%-20% of elemental damage all while these enemies have 30%, 50%, 60% and 70% resistance to physical. On top of that superconduct can only shred 40% off of that 50/60/70 percent resistance, but anemo vv set shreds 60% off of 10% to 20% sending enemy resistance to negative values anytime you shred with vv set or even a character constellation or skill effect.

[@syarifairlangga4608]

And then there Abyss Herald shield which is basically understructible against physical

[@sweetillusions5495]

This is incorrect though? Most enemies will have around 10% res to all elements phys included, the examples you picked (Humanoid enemies) are the outliers and instead have NEGATIVE phys res at -20%. Childe and Signora have 0% and 10% phys res respectively. In terms of other elements, if an enemy is affiliated with a specific element they'll usually have res against it. Samachurls are a good example since they usually have 50% to their respective element. Enemies that DO have above average phys res are Mitachurls (30%), Lawachurls (50%), Ruin related enemies (70%), and Geo enemies (30%). Rifthounds also do but this isn't anything special to phys since Rifthounds have 20~25% res to everything innately. Everything else will generally have 10%. Real issue with phys is that phys chars are usually lacking multiple things. They generally don't have a natural phys res cut in their kit until consts, they lack AoE damage, they don't have any sort of burst, and superconduct has an unusually low damage multiplier for no real reason. Eula fixes most of these issues and is why she's a step above other phys units, instead suffering from her own problems as she's so reliant on banking that her burst oneshots everything since her general DPS is mediocre.

[@Ottobon]

@@sweetillusions5495 Bro its easy just Rosaria Zhongli with a nice flex

[@koustobhborah2275]

Razor is the premium example of hard work... Since his physical capacity slowly failed him, he chose to master the elements. Chad best boi.

[@gaminconsole0678]

Razor Hyperbloom Driver Truge

[@JuviaFullbuster-iv6ny]

I’m still a razor main to this day he’s c4 and almost triple crowned and he carries me through so much I love my precious little wolf boy ^^

[@logancox3308]

I too am a razor main, he is simple and good, I like the attack speed increase, though he's only c2 for me

[@MillieDuu]

Same, I feel like I'm never going to replace my boi no matter what he still carries me :")

[@logancox3308]

@@MillieDuu I even have the shogun and eula, but I ain't replacing the good boy

[@kristalc.7625]

Me too. My razor C6 plus Kazuha with electro passive sword carries me all the time.

[@Andy-cg7il]

long live the wolf boi 🙌🏼

[@maryanntheconqueror]

I'd say Razor would be a victim to powercreep due to being an og 4 star--HOWEVER he could get a benefit actually due to Eula down the line. Currently Eula is considered quite meta but her strength highly depends on enemy resistance and, like you mentioned, there's been A LOT of that recently (I can attest to this as someone who's been using her against PMA in abyss). However, Mihoyo likes to make money, and if this anti-physical creep continues, it will result in even Eula falling down a bit over time. If they want to continue to make a profit from her reruns and not upset the Eula mains (who from what I can tell are more than Razor mains), they may eventually give physical characters some buff or support or something that will help continue their viability--and this all comes back to Razor. Like how Yunjin became a buffer for characters that were reliant on normal attacks, such as Ayato a few patches later, and also gave Yoimiya an indirect buff, hopefully something like that could happen for physical units and help keep Razor viable. I'm not a Razor main personally but I totally admire those who stick with "underdog" characters (ha, ha...sorry), so keep going all of you out there!

[@jadecoolness101]

Eula's not gonna fall in popularity, she's a waifu with a fat ass.

[@runic6452]

the word is underrated 😭 also i am a keqing, razor and xinyan main so yeah, totally casual f2p boi here

[@Hiro.the.God.]

3.5 enters chat.

[@33melonpaws77]

Mika enters the battle

[@tomatozombie135]

probably same thing that happened to diluc, except amplified because razor is a 4 star. its pretty sad to see razor become less relevant and i still dont havr him hoyo what are you doing

[@jinshootingstar]

The difference is that Diluc is still perfectly viable. Hu Tao is stronger but he isn't that far behind. Still waiting for a 5* Claymore that is busted as Homa on him.

[@gnuhgnauqneyugn]

@pasunna paz His ulti animation is fine though? As far as I'm concerned, the only problem is his damage being underwhelming compared to the newer dps characters

[@jinshootingstar]

@pasunna paz nah, the ulti animation is fine. The main problem is useless passive, super difficult to get Constellations AND lack of a 5* weapon that sinergizes with him. You still can clear Abyss super fast with him without Dragon Strike.

[@vergil9981]

@@jinshootingstar diluc is still nuts... the proble is his burst staggering enemys away... and like most peopel say dont having a 5 star or 4 star weapon tailor made for him... if he had the same treatmet as albedo i garantee you he will compete against itto and hu tao for the single target dps throne

[@SassyRiolu]

Got to point out a couple of inaccuracies in the video; the main thing being that Razor is not purely a physical DPS. His electro damage from his e and his q make up a surprisingly big percentage of his overall damage, which is why weapons like Serpent spine are good on him, as it increases OVERALL damage, meaning both physical and electro. To add to that, when running Serpent Spine, or at max investment, it's been shown that using an Attack% goblet increases overall DPS. By nature, he is a mixed DPS, making him a solid character when it comes to beating any content in the game. Additionally, Xingqiu is a much better support on Razor than you gave credit. You called him practically useless when in reality, he's one of Razor's best supports in a double geo team. Lastly, I believe constellations should've been brought up in this video, as him being a four star character makes his consts more accessible. His c4 def shred is one of the best consts in the game, allowing him to both simultaneously increase his own damage and his party's damage at the same time

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

Not true... His electro dmg is average. He is in need to be build around physical.

[@SassyRiolu]

@@Written_in_the_Starss Thats only in cases where you have access to massive stat sticks that make up for Razors low attack stat, so WGS and Unforged. The majority of razors are on SoBP or Sergent spine, the former being obviously a physical dps weapon so you would build physical, and the latter granting total damage, which translates into physical% and elementals% damage. Adding that to Razors physical damage ascension stat, and attack goblet comes out on top due to the electro damage making up for the diminishing returns of the physical goblet.

[@samkidd5735]

@@Written_in_the_Starss Razor is actually a decent Electro DPS/Hybrid Phys-Electro DPS when built correctly. I've seen Razor Taser Teams (Razor Burst DPS, 2 Hydro (Barbara/Xingqiu/Kokomi), Kazuha/Sucrose Swirl) | Razor Mono-Electro Teams (Razor Burst DPS, Raiden Battery, Beidou Shield+Burst Support, Kujo Sara Support). Point is, when built correctly, he can dish out 10-20K Phys DPS + 7-10K Electro DPS during burst, if he has the right artifacts and weapons.

[@thatrashcan9993]

The big problem with that whole deal with Razor as a hybrid electro/phys dps is that. Well. The moment he goes that route he loses. Not to any meta 5* or anything. From launch he lost that race to Beidou. No competition. Remember that thing he said about Razor being popular early on cause people wanted low investment and self sufficient? Thats the same reason people didnt notice how good beidou was back then too. She got the same treatment as XQ, sucrose and Benny. Not completely understood so seen as mediocre. Outside of raw physical dps, Beidou has always far outclassed Razor in every other aspect. Including hybrid builds. And thats always been the case. Just the undeveloped meta didnt bring attention to that back then. Not even mentioning how beidou still "plays nice" with others. She was better Hybrid build even playing like razor. But her Q didnt go away on swap and she was more flexible with supports because of that. She also snapshotted Benny. She also used Spine better. Especially at C1 cause both her counter and C1 shield prevented stack loss. So she was better, used better supports better, and was actually allowed to *use* supports. And also wasnt tied to Cryo. Even as an on field carry, which she doesnt have to do, she was just straight up better than him. No questions. Outside of specifically physical. She hasnt changed. Shes *always* been better. Her being better simply wasnt understood at launch cause alot of things werent understood back then.

[@gwwarriors9945]

​@@thatrashcan9993 Yelan and Xingqiu are hands down awesome supports for razor in a taser comp. his ult damage scales off his basic attack damage (so a physical goblet/set will provide electro damage as well) and he actually has a good amount of taser damage due to Xingqiu and Yelan procing the reactions and they both just need cc and cdmg along with some er and another stat so it isnt terribly hard to give them some em to increase taser damage snowtombed is his BiS f2p weapon hands down, along with PF for artifact sets however, EoSF is a solid alternative for taser comps bc his ult will be up 100% of the time and can get up to 75% extra damage with the right stats Diona and Rosaria are both good supports but i think Zhongli is better than either one due to the sheilds, reduced phys res, and solid crowd control he brings, plus you dont have to worry about accidently freezing your opponents. Benny and Yae are also good options. for either more raw damage or more reactions.

[@DragonArt-jp3xn]

Even though I got so many characters and really good five stars, I’m still am a razor main. And I don’t think that’s going to change, he’s my favorite character and a character I can relate to. Because when I saw him, he reminds me of me. It was like I was looking in a mirror. So I started gathering materials for him, so I can make him strong. And when I got him, he was already my strongest, he got even more stronger when I got the wolf’s gravestone twice. As a Razor main I did my best to make razor my strongest character, so I can show others that Razor is just as good as any other five star.

[@thehybridsuperior1868]

Razor has been my main dps since i started, he has been getting alot less use, since i got raiden but hes honestly so invested in that im consistently hitting above 14k per hit

[@carlosnathanieljannjusonal4826]

Build? I only usually get 9-10 k per hit

[@thehybridsuperior1868]

@@carlosnathanieljannjusonal4826 4 piece glad, serpents spine 80 cr, 195 cd without food buff

[@carlosnathanieljannjusonal4826]

I use prototype archaic with 4PC pale flame Alternatively u can also run 4PC pale flame and dragon spine claymore but with atk cup instead 100%+ physical bonus is good but anything more than 150+ since Atk is important too

[@Pet_Hedgehog]

aint that a bit low?

[@Pet_Hedgehog]

@@carlosnathanieljannjusonal4826 jokes on you i run 150phys+ and 3500+ atk

[@4katcat]

You umm... forgot Qiqi when mentioning cryo unit, hehe. She's actually pretty good with Razor. Especially with the clam set, she also benefit from the superconduct. She also gets bonus point because her cryo app is not limited by circle impact or gated behind burst. I find her more useful in cases were I need to move around a lot, say in the abyss were mob are 10km from each other. Edit: You said that Xingqiu his not good with, but you seemed only take into account his hydro app. Sure, he benefit other dps more but I would say he is pretty good with Razor. His personal damage which is compatible with any normal attacker, the stagger from electro-charge (a couple freeze here and there too), interruption resistance, etc Xingqiu is broken is what I'm saying

[@corhydrae3238]

You mentioned all the problems I had with what Vars' said. I just recently raised my Razor and put a lot of thought into who synergizes the best with him. What I came up is pretty much Razor/Qiqi/Xingqiu/Yun Jin. Qiqi synergizes so hard with Razor that it feels like they were made for each other. And the interruption resistance from Xingqius burst as well as the little bits of freeze and electrocharged make Razor so much more consistent.

[@4katcat]

@@corhydrae3238 Same team for me. I also use it my machine gun Fischl.

[@gloop7458]

People typically say Diona is better than Qiqi for him because of the fact that she provides a shield and cryo application, but Qiqi is leagues better for him if you're decent at dodging (just don't get hit and you won't need a shield. Simple)

[@lesscatranslations]

as a c6 razor main that has triple crowned him, razor isn’t bad in the slightest. but when you look at the competition (ex, eula) he’s often outclassed. my razor’s DMG may not be comparable to the DMG a well invested eula can do, but he’s still doing very good imo. its all about standards and how someone plays the game. do you play it for big numbers and fun team compositions? you’ll most likely not touch units like razor, chongyun, ningguang, rosaria, xinyan and fischl. do you play the units that you’re interested in, in terms of character design, character backstory, or if you simply like their attack animations? you’ve got a wide roster of units that may not oneshot the raiden shogun, but they will be able to defeat the boss with investment.

[@Voltage1101]

I have a c6 triple crowned razor as well, and i completely agree with you. What is your team for razor? Mine is Razor, zhongli, xinqiu, and ganyu

[@lesscatranslations]

@@Voltage1101 my team is razor, kazuha, sayu and thoma. it may not be very meta, but it works and its one of my favorite compositions in the game. right now he doesn’t have a wolf’s gravestone, but the unforged, i hope to change that in the near future.

[@Voltage1101]

@@lesscatranslations my razor has unforged as well haha, anything to give the guy a little bit of an edge. But im waiting for WGS to come back to banner

[@lesscatranslations]

@@Voltage1101 i am, too! wish you luck on getting it in the near future, fellow razor main!

[@GethWish]

It's so hard to justify phys damage dealers. Apart from Eula, who's a powerhouse, not many characters can even dream of a phys dmg build. Shame Razor is all dps with no support qualities to give me a reason to ascend him.

[@MurtazaGI]

Even Eula unfortunately is not that good, physical holds her back a lot.

[@neo-zamato]

Backloaded damage holds Eula back. If you do not crit on the burst you loose 50% of your damage. If it misses its even worse. You can have 99% crit chance and if your burst as eula doesn't crit you WILL loose your damage. Razor doesn't have any real physical boosting supports that isn't rosaria. If superconduct wasn't the only way to shred physical consistency then Razor would be favoured a bit more. If elemental reactions weren't the focus If Genshin physical would be decent. But since Xianling exists he can't compare doing decent damage as all Razor got is superconduct instead of multiplicative damage modifiers like Vapourise and melt. Xianling has that multiplicative damage and Razor/physical users don't so the battle was lost before it even began

[@diabolicesper6434]

@@MurtazaGI eula is the only meta physical units btw

[@diabolicesper6434]

@@MurtazaGI And no , Eula is actually really good , she is the only physical damage dealer than can keep up with other meta elemental reactions char like hutao,ganyu etc

[@ecquin1003]

@@MurtazaGI as a eula main, her normals are actually so crazy. Its just held back by if ur burst crits, and the countless amounts of resin spent to get a 50:200 ratio. But even if you dont have that crit ratio, she still does a decent amount of damage, even with a snowtombed starsilver

[@nikfik8863]

Razor is my fav character, he was the reason i started to play this game and now he is true star in my team, even if he is powercreeped the every additional 1k dmg he does brings me joy everytime i upgrades him. For now he is tripple crowned and with combo (no food) can deal even 58k on the final hit.

[@zilosis3794]

Have you tried the self-overloading razor meme? Maximise his EM and level, put him with bennett and both ult. He just explodes every 2 seconds, it's quite funny.

[@nikfik8863]

@@zilosis3794 no i didn't heard that, and in the battle its not a problem to be honest, im using razor with benny because they are friends in the story and because razor have a great resistance to interuption during ult he don't explode

[@sundalosketch4769]

@@zilosis3794 I unintentionally played like that early game when i was blessed to have both them boys. I didn't mind chasing after enemies i fought bc damage didn't matter much at low AR and it just felt fun practically hunting exploding enemies down to finish them off.

[@adwaituthale9428]

Im Razor main. Nothing is going to change that ❤.

[@purple455]

I feel like eventually, there's a chance mihoyo will, on account of so far elemental damage being the focus, create some characters, content or enemies that will make physical more viable. Just to change things up a bit, like how they released eula and abandoned physical, then they released yunjin which can buff phyiscal normal attacks very well

[@My_Master_Waves]

For one it feels that elemental damage is straight up better BECAUSE there are no enemies with high all elemental res(only to their own element) while most big enemies like mitachurls, lawachurls, automatons, shodowy husks and etc have 30% 50% 60% and 70% physical damage resistances, while they have only 10% for elemental resistance. Like wtf? Why aren't enemies getting those % 30/50/60/70 % resistances that phys is getting? On top of that superconduct can only shred 40%, while anemo VV set shreds 60% elemental resistance. Like WTFx2? Enemies have up to 70% physical res and we can only shave off 40% while most enemies have only 10% elemental res but we can shred 60% of elemental resistance. Only human enemies like treasure hoarders, fatui and inazuma samurai don't have physical resistance, they have negative resistance which is helping phys BUT fatui have shields that can't even be affected by physical damage and while fatui have their shields up they are not getting much damage to their hp. P.S. oh he even said it in the video.

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

yunjin buffs normal attacks in general, not just physical... bonus points for it scaling extremely well off bennett too. so if a unit comes where they do insane normal attack DPS but have their normal attacks under an element, yunjin is still extremely viable for them. something like noelle's geo or keqing electro slashes, but MUCH better essentially.

[@pepelarrza3877]

@@DarkFrozenDepths and ofc Yoimiya, it honestly feels likd Yun Jin was tailormade for her

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

@@pepelarrza3877 also seems made for a phys fischl, ningguang DPS, and i think she even works for childe in melee stance, but I'm not sure.

[@Axterix13]

@@My_Master_Waves VV shreds 40%. The 60% is for swirl damage. So, nope, both get 40%. Now, as to the amount of resists enemies have, with how resists work in Genshin, the gap isn't as big as you'd think. If you take an enemy from 40% resists to 0%, you're looking at a 67% increase in damage dealt. If you take an enemy from 0% to "-40%", you'll wind up putting the enemy at only -20%, as once an enemy hits 0%, any further resist debuffing is only half as effective. So you are only getting a 20% increase in damage. And since you'll generally run superconduct and another character that debuffs physical resists, well, you can take 60% resists down to 0% pretty easily. Meanwhile, if that same enemy started at 0% to some element, and they applied 60% of resist debuffing there, the enemy would only take 30% more damage. And then you have to factor in that physical gets higher DMG bonuses. A two piece phys bonus, for example, is 25%, while a 2 piece elemental bonus is 15%. So in terms of raw damage, physical characters tend to start higher, before buffs/debuffs are figured in. Of course, there are other factors that don't favor physical quite as much. Like there's no reaction physical damage triggers, so it can't boost damage that way. The closest you get is shatter, and that's only for one of the four physical damage weapon types. Though physical isn't the only one with that issue. Geo doesn't get a damage proc'ing reaction either (though it can shatter), while cryo+electro is so crappy that the resist debuff is the only reason to use it. Furthermore, these reactions can be boosted by EM, while EM does nothing for physical damage, so elemental damage does have access to some additional scaling. It'd be nice if EM made superconduct's phys shred stronger, but alas, it doesn't. And I'm sure some would think of Kazuha as well, and that is valid, as he nicely covers four elements and provides a big DMG buff to them, but we do have a bunch of characters that boost DMG for types of attacks. Shenhe can cover the attacks or the elemental skill/burst, depending on if you tap or hold her E. Raiden buffs burst DMG, and so on. Mostly what this comes down to, though, is not that phys is super weak. It's that melt and vaporize are overpowered. And as far as those Fatui shields go, worth noting that unless you have the right element to counter them, it is every bit as bad regardless of your damage type. Every character has an element type, and physical groups usually run both cryo and electro, so it isn't like they're elementless either.

[@uboaappears]

I love Razor, he is my favourite character and my long-term main. But I do have to admit that he is now getting out-damaged by my other units. I want to try building him with a bit less emphasis on physical damage and see if that helps. It would be great if Hoyo released more supports that would work with him, he deserves the world 💜

[@Laure__Line]

I’m playing him with Diona, Kaeya and Xingqiu : it’s a no-dps reaction team and they work well together. His weapon is Skyward Pride to improve both his physical and electro damage. He has a Pale Flame set with EM sands and an electro goblet.

[@amitaycohen2165]

try build him with quicken

[@emmanuel_40]

If you've got a c6 bennet you can run him in full EM build. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKXQmnWrg7Onabs

[@Eldr1tchGl1tch]

I decided to swtich my physical goblet to electro and I use him with nahida; boiii he does damage. and with his burst it's consistent agravate that procks nahida's E and by the time I'm done with the big enemy, the small ones are already dead

[@asdf2103912pi]

Xingqiu is actually quite good with Razor. Although he can't really make use of the hydro reactions, he's still a great off field damage dealer that synergizes well with razor since razor left does a lot of basic attacks

[@corhydrae3238]

The way you apply your elements in this team, if you play Razor with Xingqiu, you will often apply electro and hydro at the same time and then through whatever cryo support you play apply cryo on top of that, triggering freeze and superconduct at the same time. While it's not as huge of an impact as Xingqiu has on, say, allowing Hu Tao to vape her damage, the bit of freeze and electrocharged you get are really neat at keeping enemies from attacking you. The hydro also doesn't interfere with superconduct due to how the elements are applied. Xingqiu is pretty amazing with Razor.

[@customerservice1323]

Is Rosaria and Razor better than Xingqiu and Razor cuz I switch Xingqiu with Rosaria when I got her

[@rodrigoportalesoliva897]

@@customerservice1323 They're not exactly interchangeable, in the sense that Xingqiu and Rosaria achieve completely different purposes for Razor. Rosaria gives him superconduct, crit rate (if Razor stays within an area, which will happen in boss fights mostly) and, if you have her at C6, she shreds enemies' physical resistance, while Xingqiu gives him electro-charged, resistance to interruption, damage reduction and healing. Rather than replacing one with the other, I'd tell you to mix them together in the same party, and use the last slot for some other support (maybe a healer or a shielder if you need one)

[@customerservice1323]

@@rodrigoportalesoliva897 Doesn't matter anymore because I got Xiao and replaced Rosaria with him, lol, but thanks for the info.

[@Leuk0s]

There's a minor thing you overlooked in that he's part of that select group of characters that deals their damage exclusively through Normal Attacks. If people have been paying attention to the last couple of months, there have been new characters that benefit from allying with Normal Attack oriented characters and event/Abyss mechanics that boost the damage of Normal Attacks either directly or indirectly as stated with your energy draining example. I don't think that there'll ever be a situation where he'll ever be a top tier option but he's definitely someone you ought to keep in mind whenever Normal Attack friendly environments are in play. That said, I'd much rather have Eula, Ayato, Noelle or Yoimiya for that niche but that's besides the point.

[@xLuis89x]

Yeah but something that was not mentioned here is that melee attacks with low reach/aoe have been nerfed, since some enemies like the rift hounds (also applies to the 40 resin one If I remember correctly) and some other inazuma enemies have really strange hitboxes where you need a lengthy attack range to even hit them. Ayato and Itto have attacks with extended range , so they don't run into this issue as much, but I have seen it happen to Eula, so Razor is most likely going to have the same problem

[@wondershuck]

yes! those abyss buffs was really fun for me and im glad i can finally have a reason to use razor in abyss. added with the current claymore dmg buff and having less abyss mages/lectors i feel like hoyoverse finally sort of allow phys characters come into play.

[@AdamCDagg]

Like you outlined in the video, Razor was my first main DPS, and I kept him front and center for a huge chunk of my time on Genshin. Once I started investing in 5 star main DPS chars though, I've never looked back. RIP wolf boi, you will be missed

[@midwestairway]

Physical damage was good with just super conduct at the starting of the game, with the introduction of units like kazuha who amplify and boost elemental damage, Physical damage started to lose ground, Eula remains competitive because of the excellent scaling of her Burst , her normal attacks are good, but suffer from the same problem that razor has, Physical damage "auto attack Physical damage " has no support to it, yunjin isn't a physical normal attack booster, she just adds some damage to your normal attacks "flat" and she does ONLY that, meaning you sacrifice a slot for a small boost, elemental damage dealers don't need to make such sacrifices, give physical units a compact physical support, it's long overdue.

[@jakeail1995]

prevideo cmt: - Razor being my first main of the game and he carry me through my newbie stage so i love him and phys dmg so much (now a Eula main) - As much as i love Razor, he is no longer enough when compare with other char - Razor kit have no big problem imo, it synergy well, eventhough his burst have high cost but he have way to charge it himself by the use his E. His element being electro work perfectly for his niche as physical dps as he can proc superconduct. - There are 2 main problem with Razor in current day: 1) DMG: Razor dmg got powercreep so hard by other char and stronger mob and Razor being a purely dps with no way to do a big burst of dmg in an instance, all of it make his dmg fall behind so bad and phys dmg is not in a good spot as well 2) Interruption: Razor have weak interruption res(from my exp, playing him) make him really easy to knock off his feet which lose valuable dps time (someone might said just use a shielder but pls think about it, do you really want a shielder to take up a slot in team instead of a buffer for Razor already poor dmg output) - Trying to fix Razor would not be easy imo cause we would need pure phys support or just an overhaul of phys dmg as a whole but some QoL/buff can be add to sooth all Razor main pain: + More phys res shred (about 15-20%) in Razor kit, i think this should be a reasonable one due how mobs are having higher and higher phys res + More interruption res buff when he in his burst mode should be a big QoL for all Razor main

[@diabolicesper6434]

The things is , if u buffed or give more physical dmg buffer , razor will be ironically more powercrept by Eula ,

[@dansundae7091]

Razor DMG depends on DPS not like Eula, especially physical DMG nowadays ? Mehh I've been using him as the main DPS since day 1 until Xiao's first banner comes out. For world exploration it's still ok, but for fast domains and boss clearing it's NOPE

[@cpu8636]

razor is like everyone’s day 1 pick but he stayed with me the whole way

[@rivaldocasallo237]

As a razor main, the main problem i mostly have with him is that he’s way too single target (like yoimiya). Also it’s a real shame that his wolf companion damage is not considered normal attack damage. If it was the case, then gladiator and even echoes could be way better artifact sets for him. Also that would make yunjin’s buff way better for him. Lastly, missed opportunity to make shenhe’ buff work with physical damage as well. I’m still perplexed as to why she has physical dmg shred on her burst and she doesn’t buff physical damage.

[@vitor900000]

He still a solid A+. Used him on this rotation of the Abyss to clear the floor 12 with 9* and his performance was great. The addiction of Yun Jin really helped him a lot. A well built Yun Jin can increase his damage by ~70%. I'm f2p btw. The team I used was Razor, Yun Jin, Zhongly and Qiqi. Qiqi and Zhongli are flex. You can replace them for Diona and Albedo or any other Cryo/Geo characters that can provide shield and trigger superconduct.

[@vitor900000]

@@seelenya6866 He is on pair with Keqing. Whatever its worth. Before Yun Jin he was surely a B-.

[@JPOG7TV]

I’ve been waiting for this one. Razor’s disappearance from normal Genshin discussion and even banners was striking since I remember people hyping him up with some insane people calling him a 5 star.

[@justdaka3045]

The way things are going, I would like to see HoYo doing a review of some units overall damage like... They're good and the kit is nice but they were sooooo powercrept! They don't need to be put on a HuTao damage tier, but just make them decent again/adapted for the level of difficult of the enemies/current game status as a whole. Diluc and Razor are good examples: they're simple, their kits are good and rounded and their damage at the launching of GI were great but now... (Diluc can hold himself a little better, but poor Razor)? It's sad, it's just sad

[@axvd2105]

totally agree with you, but tbh it's still a gacha PVE game after all. Hoyo won't bother to fix any 4stars because they are not the primary selling points for their game; honestly this might even be a garbage take but I genuinely believe that if Mihoyo has good ideas to fix a 4star, they'll just repackage it to release as a 5star and act like nothing happened. Why buff Razor or Amber when they can just release Eula and Ganyu and sell even more? I don't think fixing Razor will make a lot more people want to swipe for him, for example.

[@justdaka3045]

@@axvd2105 I got your point and you make great sense, I just feel sad about it, y'know? :c

[@0osaka]

@@axvd2105 I'd pull for a 5 star upgrade of Amber. Give her better attacks and shielding like the manga so I can shi... pair her with Eula.

[@maximum7790]

i got razor very late, at AR 55 or so if i remembered well, so i never got the beginner experience to be carried by Razor in early game, so i never really got the opportunity to use him

[@27777BigRedBarn]

Why isn’t Yun Jin listed as an ideal support character for Razor? And as for cryo support I use Qiqi. I stack a ton of ER on qiqi and use the clam set. Then I run Yun Jin and Albedo. Plenty of dmg and Razor is super fun. Especially since I have C6 Yun Jin. This is one of my overworld teams. Not abyss level of dmg but more than enough to have fun in the over world.

[@rivalifritdarc2481]

Same as Keqing, both of them is fall so hard from the meta, but Diluc is still reliable even though he's fall pretty hard too and so many other alternatives, is that because his vision is Pyro or maybe because he's easy to use i not sure

[@sakamoto8354]

Diluc is a Pyro user so he didn't fell off as much as the other OG characters.

[@frostbites4314]

Easy to use yes

[@barbaradesigns1774]

Keqing, Diluc and Razor, for me, was the three character I hated to see the most in coop sittuations. I would always end up with the annoying meta slaves of the time, complaining of didnt have the best DPS ou Venti in coop to be helpfull. This type of people made give up of random coop, started doing everything myself. Nowadays, with stronger characters and a different meta aprounch is nice to see Keqing, Diluc and Razor mains on random events and sometimes coop

[@R2Munro2]

In the beginning, he was excellent for physical damage. When the dendro playable characters came out, he became excellent with the second set of elemental mastery artifacts. With C6 Bennett and razor burst, he becomes the overload captain and can deal high numbers especially with the enemies that don't get flung all over the place due to overload.

[@diogoc1541]

overload captain? burgeon and hyperbloom lol

[@dot2604]

@@diogoc1541 all three

[@wingofshu]

He's early game dps, answered

[@warrencaelum9536]

not just that, he's also a 4 star which means his dmg is lower than 5 star dps.

[@jacktom3799]

And he says weird shit

[@aritzky_7]

Imagine if his ult didn't end when you switch characters and the wolf did coordinated attacks with your active character, it would be a good combo with Eula, since his tap E on C4 reduces physical resistance, it still wouldn't be as good as Fischl or Raiden , but many people would think about using it in abyss

[@KazYual]

I've made an overload Debate Club Razor with Xinyan using Bloodtainted Greatsword. I also included C6 Rosaria with a white Tassel and clam Barbara with TTDS. A full physical shred team that causes wild heavy damage to break poise and stances and cause death by 1000 cuts... Or in this case, death by 1000 bludgeons.

[@Pyoron]

His burst doesn't provide a significant increase in damage and while his kit is very complete he just feels frustrating to play when you have to deal a lot of damage in short periods of time. There, that's it. He's fun and easy to play with, but he has all the issues Eula fixed. Give Razor a +20% - +40% DMG to normal, charged and plunging attacks and a +20% Electro DMG Bonus during burst and you might see his usage rates increase. The attack speed increase could be beefier as well to give him an even stronger focus on spamming NAs. Contrary to Eula, his damage is constant, but weaker, so you don't have to worry about "missing the ult", but you have the issue of not being able to do big damage in a short amount of time. The problem is that, while he would be a valid alternative phys carry with his own play style, he lacks the power level to even come close to what Eula can do. He doesn't need to deal Arataki levels of damage during burst, but a character with such a low damage ceiling for a PHYSICAL CARRY is unacceptable.

[@dmcupitty]

I dont think your assesment of xinqui with razer is right, he does electrocharge with him and the swords protect him from knockback wich i have found very valuable, altough i no longer use them together

[@warrencaelum9536]

Yes he did cuz Electrocharge is not Razor's best option nor a good option, He's purely physical so why would you choose electrocharged? That means you're purposefully nerfing him by not following the best way to use him. Zhongli can reduce the knockback problems while also shielding him and reducing enemy Phys resistance + he doesn't interfere with Razor's reactions.

[@dmcupitty]

@@warrencaelum9536 If all u care about is meta, then why even bother with razor in the first place? im not saying is the best, im saying is a viable way to play the character

[@radredlionheart]

As a Razor main, I live for this video and I was waiting so patiently. I do have a few comments about it tho: 1- I think what makes Razor so bad right now is exactly the way Hoyo is doing enemies. All of the new enemies introduced in Inazuma, or at least most of them, render him useless, because the new ruin enemies all have physical res, the Specters are too far from his reach, even the Rifthounds have physical res and it's pretty annoying. Even so, with a proper team and set-up, he can still be pretty viable even against those enemies. I'm not a, well... Highly invested player in Genshin, so I honestly don't have the ABSOLUTE best build on Razor, but mine does enough that I can do all the content I want to do in the game, and as a casual player, I'm happy he's still viable in that. I explored the entirety of The Chasm with him, and it's been a while since I've had this much fun in the game, especially playing with my main. 2- I'll have to disagree on the support point strongly. Although I'm not a Bennett haver, I can say that, from what I've seen, C6 isn't required even for Pyro units and he's still the BIS of all damage dealers, he synergizes well with Razor, who scales solely on Atk, unlike characters with dual scaling, so yeah, Bennett is a good support, so that's a weird nitpick in the video. Xingqiu is honestly an AMAZING support for Razor, I don't know why you think otherwise. Before I had Zhongli and Rosaria, I used Razor with Xingqiu, Xiangling and Qiqi for amazing DPS, because you had Razor's physical damage and Electro application during ult + Xingqiu, Xiangling and Qiqi giving off-field damage to create amazing reactions, and even now I sometimes use Xingqiu when I can't have Zhongli in my main comp and have to use him with Razor, Rosaria and Qiqi. Even without Xiangling, the Electro-Charges and Freezes the comp can pull give a solid boost to overall DPS, so I have to disagree on Xingqiu being bad for Razor. In fact, Yelan might actually be better than Xingqiu because she also gives the extra damage during her ult, so having either of them with Razor also works.

[@eherden2169]

I think there needs to be an artifact set that grants something like bonus damage against shields (or a portion of the characters a physical damage ignore shields) to make physical dps beside Eula feel worthwhile enough to use without extreme investment. The game is very reaction based and besides superconduct lowering physical defense there is not much to look for other than very specific character abilities. Maybe something like dedicated physical support may bring something new to the table besides bonus damage.

[@Shid_idk]

Before, I used physical Razor. Now, I use em Razor.

[@SillySkull]

THUNDERING FURRY GIGACHAD

[@04Yumi88]

I'm still a proud Razor main and still use him in spiral abyss

[@Riyozsu]

Razor got powecrept by Eula in physical damage and raiden in electro damage. He has good damage, it's just that the other characters are just more powerful. But what if mihoyo releases a mondstadt character like varka who is great support for him?

[@ProxymanDerk]

Wow, i remember a couple months ago I was thinking about farming more artifacts for Razor, but ever since I finished my builds for Noelle, Ganyu and then pulled for Ayato, I've thrown Razor to the side of priorities. Still best boy, will never forget him as my first DPS ever just cuz i didn't want to rely on elemental reactions back in the day.

[@Saakuchin]

What happened to Razor (in my case) was that he didn't appear in any of my pulls until Xiao's first banner, so I couldn't use him and had to survive with Ningguang. And when I got him I already had a dps built (weapons included), so I assume I'm not the only one that had really bad luck with Razor in the gacha.

[@Mentleif]

I'd say you left out Qiqi as a pretty good support for Razor. In addition to healing, Qiqi provides off-field cryo application with her skill to enable superconduct. She also heals a lot and can run Ocean-Hued Clam to turn her over-healing into damage (even while off field). The damage dealt by this set is physical, so it benefits from the same superconduct Razor is using to boost Qiqi's off-field damage. She's also half cryo resonance, so adding in another cyro character means a 15% increase to crit rate on enemies affected by cryo. That said, she's best run with a refined Sacrificial Sword so you can refresh her skill when needed. Personally, I run Zhongli, Qiqi, and Ganyu as my Razor's supports. Ganyu can probably be replaced by someone else if needed on another team

[@corhydrae3238]

Not to mention that Qiqi doesn't force Razor to stay in a circle on the field, as her cryo application sticks on your active character, unlike Diona or Rosaria.

[@jeffgrimm]

Agree with everything to 100%. But using ganyu as support is a waste. Any team build around her will outperform razor. I have and love both.

[@Sydney_o]

I remember first playing the game in 1.3 people were saying razor was better than beidou 😭

[@woodywas4549]

Honestly, as a Razor main, i was very upset when i built my Itto and it turned out that he outdamages my favorite boy by a wiiiide margain(and it wasnt even a very good build-) I still use Razor frequently, since as you said- he is just extremely consistant in any scenerio (even against ruin guards his electro attacks are still decent). I can safely say i cleared most of this game's content with him (and also Keaya for super-conduct, this duo is actually pretty good tbh), and he's good for both the overworld, and the domains. Yes, he gets powercrept a lot. But so far he has been the most comfortable Genshin character for me to use like Ever You simply cannot go wrong with him. Also you can live your fantasy of going ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA

[@mariesalguero9795]

My boiiii, your time has finally come 😔

[@yue7507]

Razor is still my main DPS until now since the game was released (almost 2 years). He's just awesome. Nothing more nothing less :)

[@abrarnoorani8385]

It would be cool if they added more ways to boost physical dmg, like a geo character that puts geo on the enemies then removes it to shatter their armour or something. That way you could make physical units that interface with elemental support.

[@flatwoodsdaemon]

Razor will forever have a special place in my heart - he was the first character I truly fell in love with, and was dedicated to building. When Genshin's final quest happens, I'm going to use him in it. Despite my love for him, I've switched over to units like Itto and Ayaka, purely because they just do more damage, and that's needed as the enemies get tougher and tougher.

[@iskierkacest]

razor was my first main and a big reason i started playing genshin in the first place (he just keysmashed all my buttons for what i like in character design) and he and qiqi carried me the entire game until inazuma and then did great teamwork with ayaka until he eventually got phased out of my team bc she just did so much more damage. ive recently rly improved his build and got unforged (mistsplitter i miss you) on him and he was a lot of fun for the time i played him to get over the loss of mistsplitter slash until i got the last em vv piece while prefarming for kazuha (spoiler alert i played him for weeks) i love him a lot but even tho hes decently invested in, hell just never get close to the damage output of xiao, hu tao and ayaka and it makes me very sad :(

[@Vipera217]

and I just leveled him to 80 out of frustration.. no regrets

[@earweatwry46u7uy5i68]

Biggest problem with Razor are his constellations. A C6 Razor further splits his damage so most C6 Razor owners are forced to choose either Physical, Electro or ATK goblet which means Razor is losing out in damage and he would non optimal artifacts. To compare, every single one of Eula's constellations buff her physical damage considerably meaning that it's very easy to build her. Razor's split scaling means that you need to even out his electro and physical damage equally. This is has the same issue with Xinyan although Xinyan is worse since she's split between Pyro, Shielding and Physical.

[@ProjectTranzationz]

People use Razor's C6 for dmg? I thought it was just used to proc Superconduct, while his E/Ult is on cooldown, or for granting him an extra sigil for more energy. Also Xinyan is only split between shielding (DEF% scaling) and DMG (Physical/ATK% scaling). Nobody builds her for Pyro dmg, unless they want to use her with c6 Bennett. Which would be similar to building Eula with Cryo dmg and slotting her with Chongyun

[@MsEAVaxx]

Razor is my most invested DPS. I still play him til this day. I also gave him the best team possible(Qiqi, Yunjin and Zhongli). Coming for a Razor Main here, His playstyle is my favorite to play so far despite having Liyue Big 3 and the Physical Damage is interesting to experiment.

[@0r1ax]

Heh, we have the same team, I'm also a Razor main

[@odin1303]

he’s my hardest bench ever

[@VarsII]

WOAH. HOW DARE YOU DO THAT >:( Cancelled + L + Ratio + Cat Person Did I do it right twitter? xD

[@meepswag35]

@@VarsII you didnt insult his ethnicity, call him multiple slurs and didn't threaten to kill him. 6/10 execution.

[@AtoThe12thAAAAAAAAAAAA]

If you get Bennett a Nahida and an EM Razor, Razor becomes viably supported.

[@anonymous13.1]

With Yelan, he can make them vape

[@morethanpichusgaming]

As someone who has played since day 2, and a player that pulled on a variety of banners (mostly character and standard banner), I still have not pulled Razor. He is the only 1.0 character I haven't obtained at all, and the only 4-star from version 1 I don't have. To me, he is indeed the Unseen Razor.

[@emptyallen3334]

Don't care + didn't ask + deal with it

[@Merrexz]

What an eloquent and excellent summary for someone who joined Genshin after Razor had fallen off the radar. It was easy to pick up that he was no longer relevant, but nobody talked much about why that was anymore.

[@brainputrefaction8902]

Why Razor is perfect and the best 1. He’s scraggly 2. He’s stinky 3. He’s silly He brings me much joy

[@lastorderx20001]

8:36 those aged well💀

[@MythoFoxical]

I’ve been and continue to be a Razor main because of not only gameplay, but also his personality and lore. So much so that I have done solo boss rushes with him, I’ve beat Signora solo with just resist potions and goulash and no heal foods, plan to try beating Puppet Shogun healless with him at some point, and just experiment with different artifact sets and weapons on him for fun. Razor was and still is my only triple crown + C6. I don’t care that he’s not an abyss wrecker anymore because the abyss is not my personal endgame (partially because I don’t like not seeing partial stars on floor 12 lol), it’s boss solos.

[@ArtanBlacknight]

8:40 Now Razor best team is with C6 Bennet

[@Meow-hj4td]

i was waiting for this inevitable video of my main 😢

[@SaotomeKun97]

Thundering Furry.

[@crocworks]

Might need to revisit this video with the EM Thundering Razor build. Razor is a crazy Hyperbloom/Burgeon and Overload dps with Bennett on the team, and unlike with Physical Razor, c6 Bennett greatly boosts the EM Razor build. Team is also all 4stars + Traveler: Razor, Bennett, Xingqiu, Dendro Traveler. (changes Razor's Hyperblooms to burgeons and gives extra overload damage which is also scaling off EM)

[@SillySkull]

And now we have thundering furry

[@IlPKII]

I still remember the time people being disgusted when I tell them I main Noelle

[@viprevision]

Very spot on video. When I was starting out playing this game I was all over the place with the characters I was using. I was leveling and using multiple characters to try and get a feel for someone to fit my playstyle. Razor was one of the characters that just instantly clicked with me, after only a couple of hours using him I already knew he was it. I'm not really a synergize / meta player, I play how I want to play and so should everyone else and if you still like playing Razor even if you are in endgame then by all means. He is still viable in my opinion but as the video explained he needs something to augment his Physical type to be able to function more efficiently.

[@skyxclouds3765]

I remember when i got Razor for the first time, i was still new and he was like the 3rd character i got from a gachapon. I didn't know anything about him so i tried him a little, and instantly hated him. First i thought that his attacks where slow, that his elemental burst was useless and that building him would be a waste of time and resources. I put him in the "useless characters, never use" list, next to Surcorse. Time after, i discovered he was a really loved and wanted character, and i was confused because i thought he was one of the worsts. Also heard that electro characters can help fight the mages, and at that time those were very problematic enemys for me so i decided to try Razor a little bit to decide if i liked him now. Nowdays, he is part of my team, i have him at lvl 75, he was the principal reason i could beat the Oceanid for the first time, and since i got him a 5* star arifact that increases his electro damage he became unstoppable. I just think he is neat now, he is very helpful and fun to use. I can understand why newer players may dislike him (as i did when i got him), or why pro players don't use him as he is not as strong or better than others characters, but idc, i like him. Nowdays i think that no character is "useless" or "bad" in this game, its just that some characters are for very specific type of players, and every character can become great if you build them right.

[@dennisv1882]

5:26 that line didn't age well, since dendro was introduced, death by a thousand cuts has become just as meta, if not better, than a single nuke

[@princenishikigoi7439]

I literally have Xiao, ganyu, diluc and Itto but I still use Razor as my main DPS. He's one of the best characters that I have been using since the launch. I'm also planning to triple crown him (one crown used) and got c6. The problem is that old characters becomes outdated compared to latest. For example Diluc used to be a good 5 star character (he still is) but now newer five star had took over. Razor is my best boy and will always be and I'm going to use him till the end of the game no matter what. Ps: hoping for wolf's gravestone🤞

[@Jai137]

I still use Razor a lot. He’s my favourite heavy hitter and his combo with Xiangling’s pyronado is just awesome

[@iloveshinobusengoku]

i hate the fact that Shinobu just came out and she's probably already gonna have an episode on this series

[@charijiivamon6066]

I'm too early for this, but i feel like "why no one plays" is somewhat becoming unnecessary. Like the video you made about kokomi probably made people who thought she was bad good, so making a video about a unit that everybody knows is bad and/or not meta, is probably not the best video idea. For example, if you were to do a video for kaeya or barbara, which are actually solid units, might actually be better. But hey, this is "why no one plays" and not "why you should play". Anyways, you do you man if you enjoy making it, and people love it, then that's great to hear.

[@freemelons1706]

in his defense, showing light on the good parts of a unit might be his point in the series. to showcase what some "bad" or "unmeta" character are able to do

[@tomatozombie135]

can you explain why barbara is solid? i look st her kit and i just see plain healing with minimal damge

[@charijiivamon6066]

@@tomatozombie135 Damage isn't the only thing that makes up a character. Barbara is one of the first healers you get, and she is only one of the few HYDRO units in the game. She is also a ttods user, and she also applies hydro, which could be used in a freeze team if you don't have xingqiu availabe, since her hydro application is more than enough. I personally only know those things about her, but im pretty sure she is useful in other teams. Even some theory crafters think she is "SOLID". What im trying to say is that i never said she is great, but she is still a unit to consider, especially if you were to compare her with kokomi, there is really not a lot of difference.

[@kleankant202]

@@tomatozombie135 barbara with ocean set and full EM works well as a taser driver in a barbara+kazuha+fisch+beidou team. she also works decently in a perma freeze comp with kazuha. barbara's sub-par off-field hydro application is greatly improved by kazuha's burst, which prioritizes absorbing hydro>electro>cryo. this makes perma freeze comps viable even with just barbara+kazuha+2 cryo units. and as others have mentioned, she can use TTDS, which automatically makes her useful in most cases. she's definitely not as good as kokomi, but that doesn't mean that she isn't sufficient most of the time. the real downside to barbara is that she can get your ass frozen when you're against cryo enemies.

[@Mentleif]

@sandpaper haha Barbara’s damage percentage on her charge attack is way higher than it has any right to be on a healer. She can hit incredibly hard with a vaporize elemental reaction if built correctly

[@pokechess9172]

As a JJBA fan and a genshin fan Razor is my favorite character because he has a Wolf STAND

[@BI00P]

As a long term Razor main myself (AR 57, finished all main archon quests), I have been insulted by people before having so many good five stars benched and still maining a "furry" and yada yada. I don't let it get to my head and what you said in your video is pretty much true haha! I agree with alot of comments that say he's a victim of powercreep and it sucks, but it's alright. I have spent more than 2 years devoted to my boy and that ain't gonna change any time soon. This video is very knowledgeable and I frickin love it! Is my Razor the best? Absolutely not. I'm an f2p semi-laid-back player, but I'm still going to make him as powerful as I can, because he is my boy, he is my good ol' lupical. Amazing job with the video dude!!

[@krispiek4084]

There’s just not much focus on superconduct and physical damage in the game with Eula being the one brief exception. Healers got a meta shift with corrosion and similar effects but physical damage never got the same treatment. Everything is built around elemental play particularly with elemental shields. Not to mention elemental play is just much more flashy and colorful and thus more appealing for most people. Plus just like any 4star dps he’s just naturally gonna be overlooked. Razor is a solid and well designed character but he’s just victim of situation. Plus he also doesn’t have much story presence/lore importance and he’s not waifu/husbando bait so that’s also working against him too. Pretty

[@Error403HRD]

With the recent Eula rerun and the upcoming physical character (forgot their name oops), i think Fontaine is going to TRY fixing physical. And maybe natlan will help geo which literally has like 1 team comp and is on life support. (Razor with Diona, Fischl, and Mika is more fun than it probably should be)

[@wisearcher1617]

Honestly as a Razor main, I think the reason why no one plays him often, is either (in my opinion): 1. There are better 5 star units who can overpower him 2. People have a Eula- since she's better than Razor at physical dmg 3. Idrk (Keep in mind this is just an opinion, u can believe what you want.)

[@Ganjau]

I’ve been a Razor supporter and pseudo main since day one. He’s one of the easiest characters to build for and easiest main dps to play in the game. He’s also got a TON of good support characters. But his issue I came across in playing him is he’s very greedy in almost every aspect. He needs an almost 100% field time and he requires a lot of heavily invested supports to make him shine, both in their constellations but in their gear as well. Like a C6 Rosaria for superconduct support or a C6 Yun Jin for the massive dps spike she can provide.

[@zackk8446]

I pulled for her because i like her and my Yanfei still hits for 12-20k more than her simply because her charged attack. Hoyo lovess to “mix it up” for a character then give them slightly higher base scaling and really bad abilities to “balance” them and call it day.

[@SaiSymbolic]

I personally use Electro Razor so he still has use for me as being the only Electro dude. It's fun, granted farming for TF domain is kinda poop, but I don't really care. That said, I really wish Physical got some kind of buff or advantage or something because, yeah, Razor falls off hard with it due to enemies Physical res skyrocketing and him being a 4*. I get that Elemental reactions are the main thing of the game, but other sources of damage could still be viable if Hoyo so desired.

[@elknolasshrineofraja3966]

🌸😹I certainly have not touched Razor almost since the beginning of Genshin, as I do not enjoy claymore and am not to particularly fond of his character.😹🌸

[@kenokai.]

I don't use him anymore, but I still love him. If there is anything I miss from him from gameplay, its probably his hold skill, I miss it so much with its aoe to destroy crystals lol I sometimes give Eulas artifacts & weapons to him just for fun sometimes.

[@Neopets4Life494]

lowkey waiting for a kaeya video. would love to see what you say about him, whether he's used or not in the gameplay sphere I like Razor as a character. Unfortunately, by the time I got him I already had my main team set up. I would have found him a lot more useful if it weren't for the fact that he just didn't want to get rolled on the banner or had to save my starglitter.

[@imo098765]

3 reasons 1 - Ganyu 2 - Ayaka 3 - His constellations are hard to pull for and only in the shop. Kaeya is up there with the national team characters when he gets the same constellations they do

[@shevatangkas168]

I have lvl 90 C1 Kaeya with phys and cryo main dps builds. His talents dmg multipliers are really good, he has a quick cryo application and I never struggle to fill his burst, both for my phys and cryo builds. He can easily hit 20k plunge with prototype rancour, and his elemental skills hit almost 80k without melt (with Bennett and food buffs). Honestly, if you build him as a dps you don't need anymore constellations IMO, and no doubt he is a really great support because of his quick ER and cryo application. His cons just supports his kits more (not to mention his C4 making shield when he is under a certain HP), not changing his gameplay or anything. But because he is a 4 star and FREE many people benched him. Mostly hoyoverse fault too. They keep releasing characters that can compete with Kaeya, like Rosaria and even more 5 stars cryo main dps like Ganyu, Ayaka, and Eula too. It's not like Kaeya is bad, it's just people prefer other meta characters with better kits. Kaeya all in one character for me, he can be a phys main dps, a cryo main dps with chongyun, a burst support for Razor/Keqing physical superconduct, Childe/Ayato/Xingqiu/Yelan freeze, Diluc/Hutao melt, and many more. Players seems to stuck with meta and don't want to experiments with their characters, it's so sad because Genshin Impact is an RPG and one in Pokemon RPG series said that in RPG game you need to have a high literacy rate, which means you have to read character kits and explore more so you don't have to focus on that role. Hoyoverse is afraid of doing that because of Kokomi, she is a healer that if you read her kits, her artifacts choice, she can be a dps too. But players too focus on minus 100% crit rate and said that she is not meta and yada yada. Even her CN VA got harassed?? And I became more dissapointed with this 2.7 update, we got artifacts recommendation stat and it encourage players more to not read. Sorry I'm ranting, well my point is that's basically what happened to Kaeya, partly Hoyoverse fault and players fault too. No need to buff him actually, he is already a good character IMO.

[@Neopets4Life494]

@@imo098765 You got a point. All my Kaeyas have been shop exchanges. I don't have Ayaka or Ganyu (not really my type of characters) but I really liked Kaeya from day 1 so he's been on my team lol

[@Neopets4Life494]

@@shevatangkas168 He's actually part of my main All-DPS team consisting of him, Zhongli (phys dps), Hu Tao, and Klee. I recently rebuilt his set to focus more on the cryo + 18% cause I recently got a sword that can work for him. Kaeya has been on my team since day one but I do rotate him out in specific situations and then put him back in. I currently have him at C3 via the shop but I wish he was easier to drop on the standard banner. As for Kokomi, I actually have her since her release banner and I thought she was one of the best characters for my abyss B team and she came in clutch for Enkanomiya and wolves. I tend to build whoever I want, roll for whoever I want (or can if i have the primos), and compose my teams based on how I feel even if they might not make sense, so i like experimenting. Recently I've been slowly building Fischl and seeing how she can work with my teams. Otherwise, I appreciate the input. May Kaeya's ice bridge live forever on in our hearts and keep on using him. Just want to see him in a video a little lol

[@A3TH3R-LUM1N3]

Me as a Qiqi main (I'm sorry I just started the game yesterday I'm sorry) and my friend who mains razor in the corner: *laughs* I have a lv 20 Razor and she got him at 90- edit: I HAVE LV. 40 KIRARA, GAMING AND XIANGLING and a lv.20 keqing.

[@ashy969]

Qiqi main? You like to be challenged, I see 😂

[@veronicaesquire990]

I really like how you said that their play style is linked to their personalities. Playing the game now you see razor trying to get better being around people and talk more. I wonder if as razor grows personality wise mihoyo might change his game style a little to match. That's some good potential for the character story wise too