*It must not be easy to fly your aircraft when your window is wide open and you're going faster than 200 knots. KUDOS to these pilots and also the ATCs who reworked all the traffic to let the Delta land safely :D*
@_Edo5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree
@TermXXWZ5 жыл бұрын
VASAviation - yup lol
@JHX15 жыл бұрын
Seems to be a little subtitle mishap around 8:55 and no audio at 8:32 And at 9:08 " .. in command for the.. alert crew?" And why did that other pilot answer with: "that never happened" ?
@chrismcconnell77185 жыл бұрын
@@JHX1 "that never happened..." I was wondering the same thing
@kd0axs5 жыл бұрын
@@JHX1at 9:08 what was actually said was "Captain 4 will be in command for the alert 2".
@spybreak235 жыл бұрын
Oh god what is this strange vortex of videos I just barely understand that I've been sucked into. I didn't even know Harrison Ford flew planes and the next thing you know here I am.
@jamesblunt0063 жыл бұрын
Harrison Ford. That"s where it started for me too 😂
@neithere3 жыл бұрын
Harrison who? Ah, that schmuck who landed on the taxiway, right.
@jamesblunt0063 жыл бұрын
@@neithere solid comment 😂
@SGTSnakeUSMC3 жыл бұрын
@@neithere Harrison would have made a great kamikaze.
@pooletrainboy3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't fly them very well mind you :)
@SGTBizarro3 жыл бұрын
DAL589: Can't hear shit and is locked in for runway 30L ATC: I know you can't hear for shit, but how about this other runway 35? DAL589: Nope didn't get that and right now don't care. ATC: Hey so uhh, 35 is preferred even though WE set you up for 30L. DAL589: We're already setup for 30L, now please let us focus on flying. ATC: Hey you other flights, emergency aircraft situation, and we don't know wtf is going on, so we'll inexplicably set you up on 30L which is the same runway the EM aircraft is landing on. ATC: Woops I'm sorry, disregard last, DAL343 I need you on 35 due to EM aircraft. We couldn't figure out what they wanted, when they clearly specified they were setup for 30L at least twice. DAL343: That never happened, because you all agreed on 30L and at no point did DAL589 say they wanted 35.
@LincolnLagger3 жыл бұрын
Great comment, sums it up
@guitourney3 жыл бұрын
When he vectored two other ac immediately on 30L I was literally speechless. Even having other ac landing on 30R seemed sketchy to me if I have to be honest. Just get everybody out of the way for 20 mins, wtf
@matt_b...5 жыл бұрын
@VASAviation - I don't know who you are or why you do this, but I genuinely appreciate the effort that you/your team put into producing each one of these. Thank you.
@z00h5 жыл бұрын
he's a one cool dude
@magicstix0r5 жыл бұрын
He does it for the MONEY.... All the MONEY.
@TechnoLadz5 жыл бұрын
magicstix0r If so why have I never seen an advert on any of his vids
@Spurgeon465 жыл бұрын
@@TechnoLadz Because you have AdBlock installed.
@TechnoLadz5 жыл бұрын
Drew A Actually I don’t
@ShuRugal4 жыл бұрын
"your possibly cross channel" uh, no, they have a 200 knot wind in the cockpit and can't hear shit. like they tell you literally every time they come up on net.
@knielsen503 жыл бұрын
Could be a policy and procedure thing that they always provide that warning to an unresponsive aircraft, even when it doesn't seem to apply.
@manusoftar3 жыл бұрын
@@knielsen50 would be a stupid policy if it doesn't apply...
@u1richh3 жыл бұрын
For those who only understand MPH, that's a 230mph wind.
@wansichen37433 жыл бұрын
@@u1richh well sad for us normal people here that goes by km/h rather than knots or mph ded
@g.a76123 жыл бұрын
@@u1richh That would be 370 km/h then? That's fast!
@mangos28885 жыл бұрын
If the pilots are reporting that they cannot hear the tower, I would think it would cause problems to try and give other runway options after they said they would use 30L. A mandatory runway change is one thing to try to share... But optional runway change may confuse the pilots if they hear part of the info but not all?
@1Jennamo5 жыл бұрын
Krystle K this is what I was thinking but obviously I have zero flight experience or training.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80435 жыл бұрын
1Jennamo • But 33 others agree so it must be something!
@flyinwalenda5 жыл бұрын
Same thoughts here. 35 may have been a better solution but the risk of causing confusion in the cockpit was greater.
@1Jennamo5 жыл бұрын
@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 - I wonder if someone who does actually pilot a plane will eventually chime is because I'd love to hear their thoughts. (I work in medicine and when I watch videos on here surrounding medicine, it actually drives me crazy. For example a mother found her baby not breathing and in the hospital they did a battery of tests and one of those was a sleep study that showed sleep apnea....so then all the comments were that every baby should have a sleep study 🙈)
@rrknl51875 жыл бұрын
While it sounds logical to change to 35, it isn't all that easy. With a runway change, you'll need to run the pre-landing checklist again and might need to reconfigure some of the planes systems. For example, if the new runway is shorter, you might need to select 'maximum' on the autobrakes. It's pretty hard to run a checklist when you can't hear each other and their original plan would still work so they stuck to it.
@docdat34685 жыл бұрын
Only pilots get the luxury of a open window in flight :/
@wheniseeacapitalistifloori75615 жыл бұрын
MBSKWKDUWKSNJWM DUDE
@tjsynkral5 жыл бұрын
Nah, certain WN flights offer passengers this feature as well
@ThePilotGuy5 жыл бұрын
Hawaiian airlines had a convertible for the passengers. It wasn't well like though.
@Quasihamster5 жыл бұрын
Except at Southwest.
@wizbangFLL5 жыл бұрын
@@ThePilotGuy I believe you are thinking of Aloha Airlines. (late 80's or early 90's)
@ZiggyTheHamster3 жыл бұрын
DAL343: “That never happened” Obviously somebody is listening, too bad it wasn’t ATC. The emergency aircraft clearly always wanted 30L. No idea why ATC didn’t get that.
@Jdinrbfidndifofkdndjoflfndjdk2 жыл бұрын
Del343 sucks. He needs some JFK ATC back at him
@sonoinpace5 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the inconvenience Delta 343! Show some empathy for your company peer who is being blasted in the face with air whilst maintaining control of a 737.
@CaptainSiCo5 жыл бұрын
Yeah - what’s his “that never happened” comment all about? I’d like to interpret it as “No worries/No problem” but I’m not sure that was the meaning implied.
@chickenfkeryay5 жыл бұрын
I took it like he meant ignore my comment
@jman11215 жыл бұрын
Personally, I took it to mean that 343 was monitoring the frequency, and was very aware that the intentions of the emergency aircraft was runway 30L from the beginning. The airport tried to push the emergency aircraft to runway 35, feeling it was a better option, only to have the emergency aircraft say no, we are sticking to 30L, then the approach tried to blame the emergency pilots for being indecisive on their decision, causing the re-re-re direct... "That never happened"
@5710fpilot5 жыл бұрын
I've never wanted to punch someone so badly.... I took it as rude as hell
@Athaeus4 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainSiCo They said "That never happened" in response to the ATC explaining how he screwed up, meaning "We'll pretend it never happened, don't worry".
@liefbrunhilda9264 жыл бұрын
As an airline pilot, it is beyond annoying when ATC is relentless with questions and talking. When we say “we’ll get back to you when we can” it’s for a reason. Lots to do in those moments. Figure out the issue, delegate divide and conquer between the pilots, notify flight attendants with what’s happened, where we’re going, how long til get there, evacuating or not; then contact company to let them know the same, then at same time fly the plane. Sequence flight computer for a return,with an approach, run the checklists, brief the landing, talk to company again, answer the phone call from the flight attendants, and oh yeah answer the controller whose getting annoyed that we don’t respond in a timely manner to his liking.
@hmsmerlin70604 жыл бұрын
Aviate, Navigate THEN communicate :D
@lgarcia672 жыл бұрын
I’m not a pilot but listening to these recordings gives that exact same impression.
@udaynj2 жыл бұрын
They don’t have a choice. They need to understand intentions so they can clear airspace to allow the distressed aircraft room to operate and to prep ground emergency equipment for any eventuality
@moonar58202 жыл бұрын
As a simulator pilot it angers me as well, sigh… like when my mom is vacuuming and I’m in the basement being a pilot.
@diesdas5797 Жыл бұрын
I have a question if the tower is obviously not able to sort things out right, how is it to disregard command of them... Stating: "This is ABC 123 we can't hear anything!!! All airplane within our vicinity, we are declaring emergency and we plan to land on runway bluhbluh via WUT and DAH and FUK... If anybody is able pls quick give a shout to the planes on the ground...."
@winterlighthome5 жыл бұрын
Hey, ATC. 30L. Just give them 30L. Bloody hell...
@twincitiesaviator5 жыл бұрын
I tracked this flight from 45 minutes north of MSP as it was happening on FR24. Very scary situation, was glad to see it on the ground. At the time I didn’t know the reason for the emergency, but people on the MSP spotters group informed me about it. It was a bit of a shocker to me as I’ve never been so close to an emergency like that. Thanks for covering it VASAviation!
@behindthen0thing5252 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the emergency
@Huntracony5 жыл бұрын
I think the pilot's Canadian, genuinely asking if his plan to deal with an emergency doesn't bother the ATC's traffic too much.
@plemli5 жыл бұрын
Minnesota is nearly Canadian.
@larsfreeburg15355 жыл бұрын
plemli basically
@punanipatrol14335 жыл бұрын
plemli i’ve heard we’re just as nice lol
@ARPTakao5 жыл бұрын
@@punanipatrol1433 And we're 10 times as cold
@Shaheerquercuz5 жыл бұрын
Exactly Ahahaha 😆
@MrCrystalcranium5 жыл бұрын
I know emergency situations are difficult but why did the tower controller continue to give long, complicated instructions in a normal voice after he had heard 3-4 times that 589 could not hear him. I would have barked "589...HEADING 220".
@spencergeorge49415 жыл бұрын
MrCrystalcranium I know that makes sense, but shouting wouldn’t be beneficial for a number of reasons. Firstly, the radios that aircraft use is relatively low bandwidth, so loud noises just clip and become any less audible. Shouting wouldn’t make any difference in this case either - the wind noise is so loud that the pilots were likely completely deaf to communication. Perhaps more pertinent, when a pilot declares and emergency, they seize control of the airspace from the ATC. This means they can maneuver in any way necessary without clearance. While it’s a good practice to communicate while in 7700, it’s not always possible and certainly not necessary. The ATC was just trying to provide other options here.
@stargazer76444 жыл бұрын
@@spencergeorge4941 Good explanation, but bandwidth isn't the factor on an AM radio.
@roysmith5902 Жыл бұрын
ATC communication is very scripted. Instructions are always given with a specific limited vocabulary, with the items in a specific order, and words pronounced in a specific way. You get used to hearing it that way and any deviation from the pattern just increases the risk of it being misunderstood.
@sylviaelse50865 жыл бұрын
Seems to me that once they've indicated they have a problem with the window, that means that not only will they have difficulty hearing the radio, but also hearing each other. Since they're squawking 7700, they should be left alone unless they specifically try to communicate. Constantly calling them just distracts them from the other things they need to do. So watch what they're doing, and keep other aircraft clear.
@duster00663 жыл бұрын
ATC become guardian angels in a real emergency. I see your point, but just hearing their broken comms might be comforting to the crew indicating ATC is there and clearing the airspace. I flew my butt into a sticky mess once. It was very nice to have someone helping.
@nihlify3 жыл бұрын
They did catch some things though
@irisfields16592 жыл бұрын
@@nihlify sounds like organized 😕
@BobMcCoy5 жыл бұрын
*This is nothing for Ryanair, they would just keep flying*
@rogerw98405 жыл бұрын
Nothing a roll of duct tape and some lunch trays can't fix. ;)
@carlospulpo42055 жыл бұрын
and tack a extra charge on the flight for additional cabin "air condoning" that the flight crew will collect in cash down the isle before you deplane.
@heyitsvos5 жыл бұрын
Hold my beer moment
@wizbangFLL5 жыл бұрын
@@rogerw9840 But they would cancel the flight first.
@YsimulAC5 жыл бұрын
@@carlospulpo4205 that sounds like Aeroflot
@user-wm5bc2xe5c5 жыл бұрын
Windows has crashed
@SailingJasine5 жыл бұрын
That never happens
@wizbangFLL5 жыл бұрын
Just pull over on the next cloud and reboot and pray it recovers itself from an "improper shutdown" and keeps your license information.
@ketas4 жыл бұрын
they upgraded to windows 10 just before flight
@WaterboxReef4 жыл бұрын
The one take away for this for me, I understand the ATC were trying to be helpful with the other runway. But considering they could not hear that could have just confused matters. Should have just let them get on with it for the RWY they had initially setup
@CBeaumontHIGTFY5 жыл бұрын
I hope the pilots didn't suffer any hearing loss / damage to the ears after this. Scary.
@kembooo0005 жыл бұрын
5:50 pay close attention, you can hear clearly why the window was opened...
@chadchuck5 жыл бұрын
Top notch observation there.
@kembooo0005 жыл бұрын
thanks
@Willparr5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂👌
@potatoes81695 жыл бұрын
i dont understand .-.
@flynnlivescmd5 жыл бұрын
@@potatoes8169 someone farted into the mic. Damn youre a lost cause if you couldnt put this joke together.
@adammullarkey49963 жыл бұрын
2:00 "I can't hear you, but tell me where to go."
@quailrunners71025 жыл бұрын
"I CANNOT HEAR A WORD" *asks question
@夜空が素晴らしいです5 жыл бұрын
It's better than not trying, would you agree?
@pinipuchi5 жыл бұрын
And it wasn’t a short question..
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80435 жыл бұрын
I know, right😂😂
@KSSilenceAU5 жыл бұрын
Also while the Radio is about useless to the pilot in this situation, aircraft do have ACARS and other methods of communication, So if ATC can hear the pilot, they may well be able to send a text reply back via ACARS or other compatible system. Not perfect but better than nothing.
@RogerthatEric4 жыл бұрын
It reminded me of the time President Bush waved to Stevie Wonder
@flyerdon31165 жыл бұрын
Can’t hear anything but give us a vector.
@dreads95364 жыл бұрын
vectors are clearly evidently a number or something like directions that appear on a screen. I have zero experience but watching this video that's the only thing that makes sense
@-AthleteInAction-4 жыл бұрын
@@dreads9536 Vectors are directional instructions from ATC, so they would need to be able to hear ATC
@philidor96574 жыл бұрын
Well they can’t fly runway heading forever, gotta at least try
@suem60044 жыл бұрын
Thought they could text now
@guitourney3 жыл бұрын
@@suem6004 They can since last year
@noeldown19525 жыл бұрын
I don't get it - was the window broken in the tower or the cockpit? Because the pilots told him about 5 times they wanted 30L and he still sent other traffic that way instead of 35.
@tomhejda64505 жыл бұрын
He couldn't really send traffic to 35 as the runways cross.
@TheNewTimeNetwork4 жыл бұрын
@@tomhejda6450 35 doesn't cross 30L or 30R. Only the short lines in the video resemble the runways, the longer lines indicate the extended centerline to a distance of I think 10nm. The departure path does cross though, so you wouldn't want to simulatenously land two aircraft (or land and depart) on 30L/R and 35 because they could collide on a go around.
@kateorman3 жыл бұрын
My new hero is the lady whose voice shakes, but who never skips a beat doing her part to handle the situation.
@karend15775 жыл бұрын
Regarding comments on why DL343 said to ATC "That never happened.", this is my take on it ... Everyone can hear the radio comm between DL589 and ATC. From the beginning, DL589 stated the problem and declared that they needed to return. ATC gave them 30L. DL589 acknowledged 30L. Then ATC suggests 35 but DL is already set for 30L.. When ATC gave DL343 their instructions, ATC said that they had an a/c that went NORDO. ATC couldn't figure out what the a/c wanted. When the a/c finally came over, they wanted 30L.... Well, to me, that didn't happen the way the ATC explained it to DL343... He made it seem like DL589 was indecisive and DL wanted 30L. That's incorrect. And so DL343 replied back to this comment "That never happened."..
@ggurks3 жыл бұрын
That's bs, "that never happened" means just "no problem", an answer to the ATC explaining the situation
@irisfields16592 жыл бұрын
Got rather confusing when u can't hear the pilot should have been a clue he couldn't hear them
@orian23555 жыл бұрын
Surely in this day and age there should be a form of ATC to Plane text type service if they can't hear a word like this and just type out their issues and receive instructions by by text too !! Seems lunacy that there is not.
@AL-so5tl3 жыл бұрын
flight plan clearance by text is already available but not in-flight instructions yet
@Petra44YT3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's true! Send them texts if you must.
@mikehuffaker35933 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing
@anna_in_aotearoa31662 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Delta Comm (text comms ATC to pilots) was already being rolled out several years before this at big US airports, so this one has me really puzzled too...? No tech expertise on that though sorry. Glad the pilots were able to get down safe despite the apparent weirdness with ATC!
@malec934 жыл бұрын
I am not an expert, but shouldn't they have declared an emergency immediately?
@camila80312 жыл бұрын
yep, they should
@erauprcwa2 жыл бұрын
Yes and No, some incidents are an automatic emergency declared. When the pilot made the initial call, it's understood as a declaration.
@As_A________Commenter2 жыл бұрын
They changed their 4 digit transponder to the emergency code, which is the same thing, and the protocol if you are unable to confirm voice communication
@Shaheerquercuz5 жыл бұрын
DAL343 That ‘okay’ had me dying 🤣🤣🤣
@44long335 жыл бұрын
I’m not an aviation buff and I rarely fly but I love these videos. How often do things like this happen where a plane has to return right after departure? Kudos to the pilots and controllers in situations like this.
@VASAviation5 жыл бұрын
Hi Rick. Quite often due to different types of issues. Returns and diversions occur everyday.
@watchgoose5 жыл бұрын
@@VASAviation maybe there should be a keyboard/screen option for communication
@OfficeLinebacker2 жыл бұрын
Often enough that every flight crew explicitly discusses what their plan is if they have to come back. Many problems will appear immediately upon reaching a certain speed/altitude so the vast majority of emergencies in airplanes occur within the first 5 minutes of flight.
@xisotopex2 жыл бұрын
@@watchgoose that makes 100% sense. I wonder why it hasnt been implemented?
@kiranclarke8692 жыл бұрын
@@xisotopex I mean ACARS exists, not supported everywhere though
@CraigArndt2 жыл бұрын
This should terrify everyone. Not just that the pilots have a huge issue and cannot hear, but that ATC was totally inept. How many times do they say they cannot hear but they continue to try to contact them. Unreal.
@ao86125 жыл бұрын
5:49 when your new girlfriend leaves your house after being there for hours.
@luiskurt2065 жыл бұрын
Lol .. dude
@alainc.41324 жыл бұрын
dude... hahaha pfffftt*
@mdegroat4 жыл бұрын
💀
@JJ_Skippy5 жыл бұрын
I first saw this on my Twitter feed when I was just browsing through it. Scary to hear about it, but glad everyone made it back on the ground safely. You could feel the stress that the pilots might’ve been having during this situation.
@deephorizon13655 жыл бұрын
They just wanted to feel the wind in their hair.
@ankurboruah93845 жыл бұрын
Given that the pilots couldn't hear, isn't there a redundancy system like CPDLC that they could use to communicate with ATC?
@SawyerDickey5 жыл бұрын
Someone farted at 5:49
@ibis85665 жыл бұрын
LMFAOOOO
@kingcfnjeff54925 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@michaelthomas74085 жыл бұрын
Haha 😂
@gantmj5 жыл бұрын
That made me laugh more than it should have, considering my age.
@AhmedKhaled945 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@VGJunky4 жыл бұрын
DAL2555 sounds like a cool cat
@TheBluBalls5 жыл бұрын
Who's dog would have their head hanging out the window the whole time? Everyones? Thought so.
@pirahna4325 жыл бұрын
As a former 737 pilot, I can almost guarantee you that it did not break. It was almost certainly not latched properly.
@commonsense315 жыл бұрын
Latched? What are the locking procedures/system in the cockpit
@watchgoose5 жыл бұрын
who was there, you or they?
@iVince9055 жыл бұрын
What if the latch wasn't operating properly? Kind of thought of it as a door and door latch wasn't closing.
@Tyleraviator994 жыл бұрын
As a so called pilot you should not be saying that as you truly do not know. I don’t really believe ur a pilot after that statement.
@MyName-dm6ur4 жыл бұрын
In this same channel I saw a video on emergency landing due to broken window inside the flight. So anything could have happened. You can't guarantee anything.
@kd0axs5 жыл бұрын
There was another incident at Minneapolis this past Monday evening (Nov 12th) with an aircraft that had to land without nose gear. Did you happen to get the ATC audio from that?
@VASAviation5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that video is already edited and will be released soon.
@cometogether4205 жыл бұрын
Don't know which approach is more haunted... Minneapolis or JFK... soo many emergencies on both LOL
@Evandrus3 жыл бұрын
@@VASAviation dam your upload game has been crazy even 2 years ago it was crazy
@grouperkng1 Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine the carnage going on in the cockpit with all that wind blowing shit everywhere not to mention the toll it took on them.
@timothyosborn16975 жыл бұрын
On something like this, isn't there a way to maybe text the messages so the sound isn't an issue? Just asking...
@mountainview79714 жыл бұрын
If texting and driving is dangerous can you imagine texting and FLYING?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
@deekang62444 жыл бұрын
That’s why there’s a copilot
@ColinMcNulty5 жыл бұрын
What did the DAL343 pilot mean at 8:50 when he said "That never happened"?
@msjdb7235 жыл бұрын
He was being funny. He said that never happens.
@ColinMcNulty5 жыл бұрын
@@msjdb723 Ah you're right, the caption is wrong, he did indeed say "That never happenS". :)
@andij6055 жыл бұрын
okay, so atc in the usa CAN speak clearly when they feel forced to. lol never heard them speak so loud and clear compared to when they were trying to get the frequencies across
@jackblack23705 жыл бұрын
Just a little light chop, no biggie ...
@pretzk40325 жыл бұрын
Anyone else wonder why ATC... i don’t know... didn’t try talking above a normal speaking voice...
@T2roxT25 жыл бұрын
you are not supposed to speak loudly into these microphones. they cut off quickly
@curtwhite8765 жыл бұрын
Nerves of steel.
@ShayneWolfe5 жыл бұрын
Very frustrating listening to this. What does ATC not understand about "I can't hear anything...." but continued to give vectors. Am I missing something here?
@krubokrobu5 жыл бұрын
I was confused by this. At 1:59, the pilot says "we cannot hear a word because we have a window open. We're going to have to get vectors back." If he really couldn't hear a word, how could he get vectors? But later he also responds to some ATC instructions, showing that he can at least sometimes hear ATC.
@stefeniedavidmusic5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wonder what the hell the controllers are listening to when they are not talking. The pilot clearly stated that he had a window open and could not hear. Jesus what part of that don't you understand? Don't they realize when things like that happen, the pilot(s) are a little busy?
@T2roxT25 жыл бұрын
What should he do mr smartass? Just ignore them and let them solve it on their own? He also managed to contact them a few times and gave crucial info, so they apparently could hear, just not very well. His only option was to try contacting them.. Dont you realize..?
@robinator75744 жыл бұрын
@@T2roxT2 But they cut have used shorter sentences.
@sadface4 жыл бұрын
@@robinator7574 These people are highly trained and experienced professionals, what experience in ATC do you have?
@BangaloreAviation3 жыл бұрын
What part of the pilot’s multiple transmissions that they could not hear ATC was not understood by the controllers that they repeatedly keep asking Delta “can you hear us” 🤦🏻♂️
@bidybidybu5 жыл бұрын
There should be an option to chat with atc in text mode, just like in vatsim or ivao... It makes life so much easier to be able to read past messages... Or at least be able to read messages in these situatiobs
@Undrakdu24Gaming4 жыл бұрын
Santiago Hernandez there is this is called Data link using CPDLC
@arnoldsherrill63055 жыл бұрын
Delta 343 seemed a little too impatient, I don't think if he was in the same situation he would want to have to worry about someone having a small fit over course Corrections for a Final Approach he needed to keep his head in the game, and realize there was an aircraft in trouble that aircraft is the Tower's first responsibility, you wait in line like everyone else. Also great work by the controllers and the magnified graphics toward the end of this post made it so much easier for those of us with corrective vision problems to follow nice job keep up the good work and we'll see you at the next video
@Athaeus4 жыл бұрын
Eh, Delta 343 seemed pretty chill about the situation. He was bound to land for 35, was moved to 30L and had to enter all the numbers for a landing there. And just as he was done with that tower realised they'd messed up and moved him back to 35, and had to re-enter all the numbers for that runway. Hence the "Okay..._runway 35_ ", and after the tower even apologized for messing it up he just went with a "We'll pretend it never happened". Classic dry humour.
@dmhemmi67265 жыл бұрын
I work at KMSP and saw it land while at work, nice job pilots
@EstorilEm5 жыл бұрын
Good job by all - little surprised there weren’t some additional radio calls by the emergency aircraft once they were turning for the approach / landing - just for situational awareness and intentions to tower and other traffic.
@seanmccormick28243 жыл бұрын
ATC is shocking. Got a window open can't hear a thing but idiot keeps trying to get them to change runway and complicating everything. Really need to see how ATC is done in Europe. This situation would have been handled calmly getting everyone out of the way.
@marshallhandheldflax93265 жыл бұрын
Why didn't the flight squawk 7700 (or at least 7600) right away? Instead of back-and-forth with ATC about not being able to hear ... as soon as they were unable to comply with ATC instructions (because they wouldn't be able to even hear them) and they needed ATC to get any traffic out of their way, why didn't they squawk first? That way they don't have to spend effort trying to hear ATC ask them if they have a problem, and ATC would get everyone out of their way immediately?
@onkelfabs64085 жыл бұрын
Marshall handheld Flax i was Wondering that too
@onkelfabs64085 жыл бұрын
Didn’t they once talk about the squawk code?!
@eddy25613 жыл бұрын
Isn't there an alternative procedure when 2-way communications has failed?
@VASAviation3 жыл бұрын
The comm fail procedure
@roysmith5902 Жыл бұрын
The mantra they teach you pretty much from day 1 of pilot training is "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate". That's the priority order. Keep control of the airplane and follow your cleared route of flight which guarantees you won't hit any other airplanes or terrain. Only after you've got that taken care of, talk to ATC. The whole system is designed that if you ever lose comms, you already have all the information you need to keep going to your destination without talking to anybody. When you hear ATC say, "Expect XXX", that's not just chitchat, it specifically means, "If you lose comm, go ahead and do XXX". That's also why you hear controllers say, "Cleared to via radar vectors" on these videos. That means, "I'm no longer expecting you to follow your original clearance to your original destination if you lose comm, I'm now expecting you to land at " if you lose comm. If you take any kind of checkride, you can expect to hear your examiner ask you at some point, "If we were to lose comm right now, what would you do?", and you better be able to tell them.
@stargazer76444 жыл бұрын
If the window is left unlatched, it is hard to use the lever to latch it closed in flight, or was something else going on (damaged seal or track perhaps)? I would think the aircraft pressurization would assist in pushing it closed.
@satguy4 жыл бұрын
Get in the back of a pick-up going 75 mph, now stand up. Now try it at 230 mph that's 200 knots or 370 km/h. That's the forces you are looking at, you couldn't pressurize it fast enough.
@caseyjones74044 жыл бұрын
Who left the window open
@mountainview79714 жыл бұрын
Bill gates? Lol 🤣🤣 🤣🤣 🤣
@LincolnLagger3 жыл бұрын
Delta 343 with the attitude
@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын
If you do not ensure your window is in the locked position BEFORE the aircraft starts it take off roll....the window will open.... It is well engineered with a positive lock position....which is easy to spot.. CREW ERROR....POOR PRE-FLIGHT.!!!
@16MedicRN5 жыл бұрын
So interesting (and not ATC, pilot/flight attendant/baggage carrier. I'm in ER RN). One side of people make fun of pilot as if this is a minor issue, and another group who praises the pilot saying he did a great job.
@Tracymmo4 жыл бұрын
I bet you'd have all kinds of interesting comments if there was a channel showing ED struggles. Then again, I've seen the criticisms on medical instruction videos, so maybe I don't want to know more about bad techniques. :)
@drnogueiras87834 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this was the same plane whose pilots dropped a wallet left behind out the cockpit window before take off...
@qua9 Жыл бұрын
Personally, Idon't think ATC should hv tried to hv the Delta change 2 critical things, the runway and the frequency. Especially when hearing was so difficult.
@vedymin15 жыл бұрын
I wonder, why are those windows made to slide back, instead of forward ? This would prevent them from opening like that. If the lack of space is a problem, it could always be the furthest back window that is movable ?
@indrajityadav43312 жыл бұрын
Then it would fall on their faces?
@Qlyon5 жыл бұрын
This is why some form of text based comms with ATC should be standard....imo
@robbiebunge8595 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering why that isn't so.
@BulanuRoz5 жыл бұрын
terrorism. You know how easy it would be to impersonate a pilot.
@Qlyon5 жыл бұрын
@@BulanuRoz well yeah, voice isnt safe either (VAS video 2 days ago). As a last resort mabye, the atc controller knew he was in trouble. Also Im not saying to do away with voice but only to supplement it with text for emergency use.
@hazard68125 жыл бұрын
technically there already is text based comms. they can squawk certain codes for certain situations. you can see at one point in the video the aircraft gets a red "EM" above its head because it squawked 7700, indicating to atc that it's in an emergency. they could then squawk 7600 to indicate disabled radio comms if they needed to. at that point atc would more than likely just stop the airport from any departures and takeoffs and turn PAPI lights to max brightness and signal, which will let the aircraft know they're safe to come in.
@borismarkov11415 жыл бұрын
They get pre departure clearances via text. And lots of the cross ocean, no radar control is done via text. They get regular communication from their respective companies via text.
@stefansoder69035 жыл бұрын
Was that a novice ATC? Why did he start changing instructions to a pilot who could barely hear the radio? Why even talk in that situation? Just let them land wherever they want and clear all other traffic from its path!
@jjaus5 жыл бұрын
Which part of "I can't hear you" don't ATC understand?
@Die4dutch25 жыл бұрын
jjaus well they have to try somehow
@roadweary52525 жыл бұрын
They cant sit there and NOT say anything. Keep communicating in the event audio in the cockpit is restored. If for no other reason than to have it on record for investigators.
@larsfreeburg15355 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for a scramble from the lack of transmission but I guess not
@hybridtechowns4 жыл бұрын
It would take those 16s from Duluth a bit to get there. If they were on burner i bet it would be freaking fast though.
@vodnurse57024 жыл бұрын
They should carry some cardboard and duct tape for just these types of emergencies.....J/K lol
@KD0LRG5 жыл бұрын
Seems like a lot of 737s having window issues of late. Would love to see the reason for all of these window problems. Bad latch or missing a check?
@stephennelson78845 жыл бұрын
Examples?
@scfog902 жыл бұрын
Aviate, navigate, communicate... what about this order the ATC didn't understand?
@coolbear64416 күн бұрын
2 things…1..What never happened and 2..Camp 4? What is that?
@warrenduree94174 жыл бұрын
5......5 seconds..... 5 seconds till I can skip the stupid subway ad.
@iflyg45 жыл бұрын
This was already posted and the window didn’t break apart as titled. The FO didn’t secure the window and it came open. There was no failure of the window.
@iflyg45 жыл бұрын
Nah, mistakes happen. Sure, they’ll have some discussions but there are those that have made mistakes and those that will. Point being the title is incorrect and it’s been posted before.
@wkdravenna5 жыл бұрын
No raceism allowed. I can't tell if this is or not but please just don't!
@iflyg45 жыл бұрын
Racism? How on earth you come up with that? First figure out how to spell you idiot.
@wkdravenna5 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was, but we have to make sure you know. Gota be-careful given the current administration and such.
@mikecowen65075 жыл бұрын
wkdravenna I'm sorry, but that sort of thoughtless, knee-jerk reaction, AND not even sure if racism is present makes you part of the problem, and not part of the solution. I despise racism, but please DO NOT create a situation where one DOES NOT EXIST.
@mandolinic4 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when you fit cut-price double-glazing.
@冷酷的辣椒炒肉5 жыл бұрын
Dose anyone know what's this controller said? drive.google.com/open?id=1Zl4vcSUtFjESuW_nr_4OfBnpPsqOIO3l
@soramame75282 жыл бұрын
Why do you say it « break apart »?? Baiting anyone? The window just opened.
@MaxBarnish8 ай бұрын
If you can't hear the clearance, do you literally have to do a visual approach uncleared? Or can IDENT be used to get a clear to land?
@chloehennessey68133 жыл бұрын
Because we have a window open. Well, close it ya doofus. 😑😂😂
@AsimovBR2 жыл бұрын
Why controller change the frenquency in the middle of a emergency?? You never do that.
@Tyleraviator994 жыл бұрын
Ok obviously ATC can’t get the hint that the plane cannot hear them and if I was the pilot I’d squawk 7600
@bepowerification2 жыл бұрын
So he says he cant hear a thing and wants vectors. How exactly?
@magicstix0r5 жыл бұрын
DAL343 is being a bit of an ass over being slightly inconvenienced by an aircraft IN DISTRESS.
@ma3n6365 жыл бұрын
Wonder how the pilots communicated with each other considering they couldn’t hear the tower through their headsets.
@wizbangFLL5 жыл бұрын
smoke signals? Flash cards? Pass each other notes? Personally, I would say hand signals, that's how they communicate with the ground crew after they unplug from the plane.
@killersushi995 жыл бұрын
If they don't have them....planes need a text message system. Just sayin.
@Nicanor55 жыл бұрын
Can you check this news about a Lufthansa flight Frankfurt to Bogota than almost went wrong at the alternate airport: www.elcolombiano.com/colombia/saturacion-del-espacio-aereo-por-poco-causa-emergencia-DN9681317
@sethguardado81785 жыл бұрын
If there is no way for the pilots to hear the tower, and the tower could here them, could it be possible for the Delta to say they will be turning around and landing onto a runway while the tower could direct all other traffic away from the airport?
@zootblanc92485 жыл бұрын
BAD! Very inexperienced ATC! When someone told you cannot hear anything due to window broken and already acknowledged runway 31, stop asking for 35 to cause further confusion. All you need to do is to move all aircrafts out of the way and clear landing path for runway 31. This was terribly handled. Learned nothing at all from the recent well-known Chinese Sichuan airline incident where windows completely fell off and couldnt hear anything 30000ft in the air.
@skoto82195 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know nothing about aviation but that seemed like a really bad idea. "I know you can barely hear any of this but let's try to assign you a different runway than the one we just agreed on."
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80435 жыл бұрын
This could have been a disaster in the making, right
@MusicLover113255 жыл бұрын
All they’re doing is offering a runway that’s closer to them. They’re opening options so they can end this quicker. Once the pilot said they’d prefer 30L the controller issued a downwind vector right away.
@zootblanc92485 жыл бұрын
@@MusicLover11325 the problem is that you don't open options when the communication is one way and intermittent . It is not about ending it quickly , it is about ending it safely. I understand his good intention, but still in my opinion a bad decision and showed lack of experience.
@JoelWelter5 жыл бұрын
@@zootblanc9248 I disagree. We sit here, knowing all about what happened, and can judge the ATC about comms. He did his job to offer a faster solution, then abandoned it when the PIC said they were already set up for the first runway. We are also favored by hearing filtered radio traffic (thanks VAS Aviation!) so can hear more clearly minor details.
@Phili2012 Жыл бұрын
Where’s some MDF chipboard and duct tape when you need it?
@RobertSzasz5 жыл бұрын
Everything ended up OK, but the ATC is probably going to get some friendly advice on how to improve.
@EndieM85 жыл бұрын
May I ask why? was it the instructions to 343
@5Andysalive4 жыл бұрын
Why is there no backup text based system? I mean sending text digitally is available for half a century now. 1+ century via radio.
@theunknownone_2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else think of Speedbird 5390 when they saw the title?
@Nicklin30112 Жыл бұрын
Dumb move on ATC part. They say they cant hear so they try ti change runways. Smh
@Boodieman725 жыл бұрын
They are lucky it was at low altitude.
@rfmerrill4 жыл бұрын
"if that doesn't interfere with traffic too much" fuck the traffic, fuck the controllers who aren't listening, you are an emergency! TELL them you're landing 30L
@rfi-cryptolab4251 Жыл бұрын
Nice noise canceling on the pilot headsets.
@marktimmer22123 жыл бұрын
Lined up for 30L. Thanks for back up Delta 343. Why is/are there no helmets in cockpit?
@reynaldiwidjaja2773 жыл бұрын
I swear I've heard her voice before.
@bobanob1967 Жыл бұрын
Which part of " I cannot hear you" do you not understand?