Volaris made a mistake and both controllers avoided the collision by instructing their airplanes to do what they had to do. Volaris goes around and Republic stays on the Ground. Great job!
@bob12344866 жыл бұрын
See if you can get anything on the British Airways 288 Emergency Landing at PHX on 12/6/2017. There was video of flames coming out of the engine on takeoff.
@profmet6 жыл бұрын
He also readback wrongly once more the active runway. It seemed like looking at the charts while copying instructions.
@drmayeda19306 жыл бұрын
He didn't know his flight number either. I hope he was a new pilot
@rafaelparamo8736 жыл бұрын
drmayeda1 indeed a lot of volaris's first officers are pilots with not much experience, you can hear when the captain in command took over communications
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Working on it.
@ilikethisnamebetter6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad they had Victor on board. He probably had the vector.
@HalfShelli4 жыл бұрын
ilikethisnamebetter Roger, Roger.
@jbreezy1014 жыл бұрын
Lol.
@MrMiD.Life.Crisis4 жыл бұрын
No Clarence?
@_JoyKiller3 жыл бұрын
@@MrMiD.Life.Crisis No. Clarence did not have clearance.
@manhoot2 жыл бұрын
Want me to check the clearance Clarence?
@ghoffmann8215 жыл бұрын
"You're unreadable, sir." Hold on...let me try wearing this headset thing.
@lcf346 жыл бұрын
Very smart of the controller to leave the volaris landing before releasing the other - allowed things to cool down (not only brakes I guess)
@tkerrygan3 жыл бұрын
The Volaris initiate the Go Around before ATC even call it. Good call. When the EDV advice tower about the error, Volaris was already in the Go Around.
@ryannayr1404 жыл бұрын
9:50 how to talk to pilot that doesn't speak English. Don't yell, don't repeat, just use simple words with a slow flow.
@gabrieltassi40303 жыл бұрын
That’s what we refer as standard phraseology.
@MostDear2 жыл бұрын
The pilot speaks English!
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80436 жыл бұрын
"Volaris, you're welcome for the help. *Now here's the number you need to call*"
@weaselworm86814 жыл бұрын
This whole series is outstanding. Thank you for creating these.
@bhk1106 жыл бұрын
Female ATC was much more professional.
@triple7marc3 жыл бұрын
They all were.
@fantasyremixes19196 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who can't see a thing on this video? The graphics are tiny...
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are the only one.
@fantasyremixes19196 жыл бұрын
VASAviation - Well, let's blame my bad eyesight then
@OhMySack4 жыл бұрын
It was very hard to see this on mobil...which is not normal for most of these. I'm corrected to 20/15. 😉
@aosanshou4 жыл бұрын
Let’s just blame KZbin. They are updating/changing settings like every day.
@shreddder9993 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Staring at a blank screen for many, many minutes.
@icantsurf896 жыл бұрын
Captain of Volaris 880 had a rough day at work lol. Great video as usual.
@misanthrope21123 жыл бұрын
Several instances of not-so-passive aggression by ATC when communicating with RJET reference the blundering traffic.
@OfficeLinebacker2 жыл бұрын
Noticed that they waited until Volaris had switched frequencies. cue NOW THAT THAT GUY'S OUT OF THE WAY
@uniquelycommon22446 жыл бұрын
Nice job switching between compressed time playback and real time playback, depending on whether playing back a part of the event in real time really helps give the viewer a better feel for how things occurred. Like that you make it completely clear with the on-screen graphics when the video switches from one to the other.
@Aerospace_Education3 жыл бұрын
Great job by all. Kudos to the pilot as well. Sometimes we all make a mistake. We rely on each other to catch and fix problems. That pilot and maybe the chief pilots will be reviewing that in great detail and I doubt that pilot will make that mistake again. In the end the system worked and safety was maintained.
@TheRealOzKillaz6 жыл бұрын
So much respect for good ATCs
@nenblom6 жыл бұрын
I second that!! The Volaris pilots seemed to have the runways all confused.
@GetOutsideYourself6 жыл бұрын
There's a reason they pixelate the logo on the tail.
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha that's a good one!
@memovilmx62396 жыл бұрын
Probably is a Japanese Adult Airline
@L.Spencer3 жыл бұрын
Volaris used to give out free Krispy Kreme donuts about ten years ago.
@davidmichael55736 жыл бұрын
Kennedy didn't trust this pilot. Pilot knew he messed up too. So I don't consider this hating on him he wanted to make 100% sure the same 2 aircraft didn't have another conflict of interest. Once was more than enough.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80436 жыл бұрын
David Michael • That's exactly right. A mistake that could have resulted in multiple fatalities and untold property damage was averted, and ATC instructed and monitored the best way possible in the end. Regarding posts elsewhere about "haters" - the I now believe some people are so victimized by their own shadows that it seems they would rather have a terrible tragedy play out just so no one's feelings were hurt in the discussions afterward.
@gooner722 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, that was close! I'm not sure he even realised what he'd done to be honest, this shows that the other pilot and ATC was alert and doing their job well.
@AnkushDas6 жыл бұрын
I totally have a serious problem with saying 'twenty two left' which the pilots kept doing repeatedly. Its 'two two left' and its a standard phraseology so that the numbers don't get mixed up. I have been bashed up in training because of that and have never made that mistake again.
@debranobles6 жыл бұрын
Ankush Das a
@philipmcniel49085 жыл бұрын
I think this depends on whether you are in the USA or not. American pilots and controllers are used to saying numbers like "twenty-two" or the callsign "Brickyard forty-two thirty-one," but it doesn't happen much in other countries where there are a variety of accents and/or English is not the first language. If I were the controller, I would've called Volaris "eight-eight-zero" just because that's what he, as a non-American, is used to hearing.
@wildgurgs36145 жыл бұрын
@@philipmcniel4908 yes - if you say what the other person is expecting to hear, that alone makes it easier on everyone.
@rmaxwell32943 жыл бұрын
Good reply, Very good!!!👍✈✈
@kewkabe6 жыл бұрын
You're better off using google maps with your videos because this "ATC" map is pretty useless. I'm an FAA controller (although not at New York approach), but we don't use airway lines like here or coastlines like here which just clutter the scope and would never be depicted. And why would you depict 31 localizers when they're using other runways here? If this is confusing and useless to an FAA controller it's going to be even more confusing and useless to others.
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
thank you kew. I respect your work very much.
@supasixfour5 жыл бұрын
Agree with this. To someone who just likes planes you may as well have a blank screen, it means nothing to me.
@icepick8595 жыл бұрын
U ain't no controlla stop yo lying lol . Boi funni
@jguy19874 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this analysis. I am always confused, trying to pick out distinct things. I fly sims and this is super confusing, I have no idea where I'm at.
@gastonbell1084 жыл бұрын
naturally, no comment from VAS.
@hessamstar6 жыл бұрын
If you are an air traffic controller and reading this, please slow down your instructions for the foreign pilots it will make everyone’s job easier
@zagrebzebra5 жыл бұрын
Why? The pilot did a correct readback, 1 3 LEFT, at 2:59 in the video, yet went for 13R. It is not a communication problem - it was an pilot error.
@kipokipin5 жыл бұрын
@@zagrebzebra at 2:59 wasnt the brickyard talking? the plane that missed the aproach was the volaris 880... i think
@akabane77776 жыл бұрын
Great video! Was waiting on this. That Kennedy ATC took operational security very seriously. He was hatting on volaris 😂😂
@MadMax-pu1kj5 жыл бұрын
The accompanying "map" was almost useless to tell this story... love listening to the team though.
@aarohivijh4 жыл бұрын
They did better than Air Canada.
@mariohmmtt76 жыл бұрын
Volaris is a horrible airline nowadays, disgusting service, really bad timings and now as far as I can see, deconcentrated pilots risking the lives of many others.
@jimstanley_496 жыл бұрын
I hate (ha. ha.) when people assume hate in others so I won't claim that about the ATC here. I do think it _may_ have been a little over-cautious to delay 4231's takeoff clearance with 880 still over 6 miles out. I think it also pushes the bounds of protocol slightly to basically point out 880 like that and hold everything until he's out of the way, so the big kids can play again. It might have been the right choice, but i don't think he needed to go into detail like that.
@robbiehighfield95864 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Admittedly I'm not a pilot or ATC, but at 210mph 6 miles out it would've taken 1minute 43seconds before the Volaris touched down. You'd think 4231 would be well clear of the runway by then, right?
@RonPiggott2 жыл бұрын
@@robbiehighfield9586 What about wake turbulence from taking off?
@rzero216 жыл бұрын
Now this is better compared to the previous video were I felt there were many seconds wasted. Not everything has to be in real time. As I said before, time is precious. Save viewers time and you will bring more of them (or to keep them) for sure. Some people started following this type of video because of the engaging communications compared to other videos that don't trim down time and are boring despite covering the same interesting situations.
@FlyingMaxFr6 жыл бұрын
Good comment
@navarxos866 жыл бұрын
Have to agree, with the exception of the few seconds, when everybody reacts to the mistake, real time is neither entertaining nor educational. On the other side, that few seconds of quick reaction are educational and a prime example of a job well done.
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
I always listen to (read) your suggestions and here it is. Always trying to improve the content :D
@maiku416 жыл бұрын
I think this one had a nice balance of time compression where appropriate. The visuals when switching were appreciated! Sometimes time compression leads to a misunderstanding of what's happening, as can be seen in the comments on past videos. It's a judgement call in each situation, IMHO. :)
@Exentity4 жыл бұрын
Those passengers on the runway must’ve been so confused “why did we stop dude?”
@jbooj45966 жыл бұрын
Tower repeatedly applied an unnecessary public roasting, the guy made a mistake that was a bit bonehead, but adding “that guy” is in or out of your way is unclassy, he can hear it and he’s trying to refocus. Stay classy, people make mistakes and paperwork are for ones like that, it’s easy to roast pilots as your sitting in a chair, not suggesting atc is easy, just saying cut the guy some slack with the sarcasm. Foreigners find high density u.s airports intimidating enough, especially since controllers talk like they are firing planes off a carrier...
@stucknmud43234 жыл бұрын
J Booj I thought the same and was going to make a similar comment, he was definitely rubbing the pilots nose in it,,,,glad I’m not the only one who noticed,,,,
@BDFTP694204 жыл бұрын
MEX is a busier airport than JFK in terms of aircraft movements...
@droge1924 жыл бұрын
....true, but Volaris was on a different frequency by this point - he was now with departures, whereas the ATC saying "that guy" was Tower, talking to the a/c that now had to wait for take-off, in case Volaris made a further alignment error. In short, Volaris didn't hear the "that guy" comment.
@TheDrivingPete4 жыл бұрын
As I understood it, with "that guy" they did not mean Volaris, they meant the plane aborting the takeoff with the hot brakes. I saw the comment it as a way to reduce tension, not as a roasting.
@johnthompson57414 жыл бұрын
TheDrivingPete oh he 100% meant the volaris. Way to be optimistic but I can assure you “that guy” is not the brickyard
@boundmusik99126 жыл бұрын
That JFK tower guy is hating on the Volaris
@crapper16 жыл бұрын
Trap Lord if he almost ruined my airspace I'd be pissed as well
@PissedOffBanker6 жыл бұрын
pretty sure he's just racist against mexicans
@aljack19796 жыл бұрын
Trap Lord because his mistake could have killed people, and created extra work for them.
@mickfunny41856 жыл бұрын
Alan Jackson no, the tower guy is a Trump voter
@maryhunter63896 жыл бұрын
@Trap Lord - Hating? I didn't see any hate, I thought the ATC was being very considerate with them. Probably figured they were tired or something and prone to make more mistakes so got them safely out of the way first.
@AddyRyan666 жыл бұрын
haven't flown the big dogs yet but I can confirm..when fatigue kicks in..it kicks in really hard..its quite a workload plus it being a controlled airport just adds to the pressure. add being to unfamiliar grounds..can be quite dangerous. but they all handled it well
@surrealtom2 жыл бұрын
Government supplied adderall to be taken by all pilots 15 minutes before final.
@christophermercado5466 Жыл бұрын
There was definitely a language issue. Great job to those controllers
@jbreezy1014 жыл бұрын
I approve of a go-around over a sidestep. Too close to the other rwy. Also jfk needs to stop doing a split at canarsie
@Praben6 жыл бұрын
Very close call, could be catastrophic. I don't know how "R" and "L" can be mistaken, but ATC saw the mistake, and the plane on the ground also saw the incoming Volaris (good situational awareness).
@chekini16 жыл бұрын
So much hate, I forgot everyone is a b747 pilot in this channel.
@fhuber75076 жыл бұрын
When 13L and 13R are that widely separated... not much excuse to line up on the wrong one after reading back the correct runway assignment several times.
@jordillach32226 жыл бұрын
What do you mean, F Huber? Worse things have happened: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXmwmXair8uin5o
@generaldvw5 жыл бұрын
Sarcasm is inimical to Safety👀
@bogdan_n5 жыл бұрын
The infamous CANARSIE approach...
@timwynn60794 жыл бұрын
Everyone makes mistakrs, not the best day for Volaris
@poker_18rs925 жыл бұрын
Reading the comments on here from all of the 'keyboard experts' is always very entertaining.
@cruisemissle875 жыл бұрын
There could also be a possibility for confusion because runways 13 L is 31 R as well.
@chrisschack97165 жыл бұрын
The worse problem probably was picking up 13R visually and just turning final on it by mistake, since 13L would have been further along base.
@ronin68876 жыл бұрын
I know that English can be hard if it is not your native language BUT; it is the international language for pilots!
@thomasdahl30834 жыл бұрын
Yes, but fatigue in combination with stress is not good for anyone. Maybe the coffee machine was broken or the food served was too bad. We don't know what caused the fatigue. Maybe he was in a divorce issue with his wife and hadn't had a good night's sleep.
@zeepack3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasdahl3083 Fatigue also deteriorates a person's second language skills pretty quickly. It's temporary but it happens. Saying from experience of someone who speaks three languages.
@stevenrojas8251 Жыл бұрын
I dont believe it was a language issue, pilot speaks english. They just got visually confused on the runways, 13L is a little bit hidden in the VOR approach, and the first one you see is 13R
@FalconzInc5 жыл бұрын
Seems to me this is the Canarsie VOR for 13L, this is the same incident kennedy steve talked about in another video. It's a difficult, easily confusing approach if you don't pay attention, im guessing.
@kentbrookman Жыл бұрын
No, the Canarsie is a visual approach.
@sharky03855 жыл бұрын
The volaris pilot sounded distracted in many parts of his transmission maybe he was just tired i’m glad they landed safe without mayor issues
@marklindsey19953 жыл бұрын
Irony that the reporting point in New York is called ASALT?
@boahneelassmal2 ай бұрын
haven't seen jfk that polite in a long time :'D
@jeromegarnier16966 жыл бұрын
Well shit! That was close! Didn't they have the RAAS system saying "approaching one-three-right" available ?
@12345fowler3 жыл бұрын
How frequent is a VOR approach in JFK ? Given it is an busy international airport it's a bit of a shame that the ILS are not constantly used for precision approach. A VOR approach in busy airspace is questionable, and not leaning toward safety.
@kukulkanlordofcas49312 жыл бұрын
The "Canarsie Approach" is the colloquial name for the JFK VOR or GPS RWY 13L/R approach. It involves tracking a VOR and lead-in lights northeast up the coastline, then a turn, assuming visual contact with the airport, to the right to line up with either runway 13L or 13R, as assigned. It's a bit of an odd one, as it requires tracking perpendicular to the intended runway of landing, and a turn within 3nm of the field, but anything in the name of noise abatement. As you can tell by the name, you can track this either by VHF NAVAID or GPS. Many approaches, back when RNAV GPS came around, followed this scheme of "VOR or GPS". I assume they just say "VOR 13" because it's shorter and the first acronym in the official name of the approach. It's actually rather common to fly this approach, because some people don't like hearing the airplanes overhead.
@yomama15466 жыл бұрын
the Harrison Ford Approach is really becoming more popular
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
He made a basic mistake of mistaking the rollout side road for a runway.
@jennydiazvigneault55486 жыл бұрын
Taxiway.
@MyEmpire912 жыл бұрын
well, thats why its called 'non-precision' approach lol
@KingBrandon516 жыл бұрын
Lmfao this guy still got the readback wrong after he went arround with APP saying VOR 13L approach instead of 22L 😂....
@nenblom6 жыл бұрын
I know. Perhaps he needs retraining.
@John_Be6 жыл бұрын
Right I caught that as well. Its a good thing landing isn't very important in airplanes😞
@kitsune93296 жыл бұрын
Mexican had to be...
@michaelorozco13796 жыл бұрын
Kitsune932 We don't need people like you in the Aviation community , idiot
@h4rder106 жыл бұрын
casual guy 😂
@shreddder9993 жыл бұрын
0:48 Why are we staring at this blank screen for so very, very long? 3:32 What video? There's nothing to watch! 9:31 _seven miles in trail..._
@fhuber75076 жыл бұрын
Liked the maps with the track paths better. ***************** VOL880 needs some pilot training adjustment.
@Napster10986 жыл бұрын
Volaris 880 I have a number here for you, let me know when you have the time to write it down thanks
@edfromchowderheads13126 жыл бұрын
“Im the schmuck that landed on the taxiway...”
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
no nova. JFK ATC knows a pizza joint they can hit up during their layover.
@droge1924 жыл бұрын
No number to call given. No need. Mistakes happen, and follow up and resolution requests were all heeded. Human nature dictates, everyone makes mistakes, in every field of work (even brain surgery). A "number" doesn't always need to be called.
@jbreezy1014 жыл бұрын
Im sure volaris filed a safety report
@bjorn47033 жыл бұрын
I wondered about this part too.
@boomerbill81153 жыл бұрын
Maybe they should change the Runway designations to 13A and 13B . Much less confusion.
@jakolu3 жыл бұрын
How so?
@boomerbill81153 жыл бұрын
@@jakolu Guess not ...dumb idea.
@teelo120003 жыл бұрын
Good thing that ATC corrected the "good morning" to "good afternoon", that mistake could have been disastrous!
@joshblackie086 жыл бұрын
Loved the video man!
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Josh!
@joshblackie086 жыл бұрын
Anytime mate!!
@awpard71976 жыл бұрын
Man those r the fucking coolest controllers
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
they have to be. its suburban New York City. They are not owned by the airport authority but if they were only two people decide their rules of conduct. The governors in Albany and Trenton.
@captainjohnh94056 жыл бұрын
Not defending this crew, but the VOR 13L/13R is (IMHO) pretty crappy until one has flown it a few times. It is essentially a circle to land which many airlines only do under visual conditions. Take a look at this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfEfnWFZ9BqiK8. See the rabbits (sequenced strobes) everywhere? Between 5:36 and 6:00, just as "Minimums, minimums" is called, see the approach lights at 1 o'clock? That is 13R. I'd be willing to bet this wasn't the first time a crew lined up for the wrong runway using this approach.
@jordillach32226 жыл бұрын
@ John H _I'd be willing to bet this wasn't the first time a crew lined up for the wrong runway._ It surely wasn't: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIiQdoejj7pjq5o or even worse, they landed on a wrong airport: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXmwmXair8uin5o
@captainjohnh94056 жыл бұрын
@ Barry A: I'm not familiar with “affordances.” But for me, following visual lead in lights and maneuvering a transport category aircraft at 800 feet in MVFR isn't my idea of fun.
@dizzyology75143 жыл бұрын
Almost exactly the same situation occurred in October 2010. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZmaoZakg5p6orM Tower controller in that case was Kennedy Steve.
@cesarioj.f.g.79592 жыл бұрын
So...NO Pilot Deviation and a phone number with facebook and instagram this time???
@Dowlphin6 жыл бұрын
Woah, Volaris got it wrong twice! Also, the demand by APP for them to speak up seemed like it might have been because they were more than a little pissed at them (especially at a busy airport like JFK) and wanted no further miscommunication, and observe how wonderfully clearly Volaris (or anyone) can comm if they put some effort into it. What I find funny/puzzling though is the apparent difference in live vs. recording quality. Sometimes we hear nothing but noise, but they're understood. And also the digital compression seems way too high, or is that straight from the source? (I wouldn't think so if it's still analog technology used.)
@ShatzMat6 жыл бұрын
How come no "Volaris 880 I have a number for you to call"?
@Kevinmoran146 жыл бұрын
Richard Herbst it’s not consider a dangerous call by FAA so it wasn’t an accident or incident.. weird but true
@crapper16 жыл бұрын
Richard Herbst had it been closer it would be write down this number but being the volaris knew going around was safer than 2 low and slow turns he still had good judgement just might wanna teach him his right from left
@GigsVT6 жыл бұрын
If separation was maintained then I don't think they are required to write it up.
@drmayeda19306 жыл бұрын
After going on national news, they might want info on the situation
@DaveDepilot-KFRG6 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a CLOSE call. They were never less than 3 miles apart. He wasn't on short final, he was still a few miles out. Most likely one of the Volaris pilot would have noticed a plane lined up on the runway as they got close and would have gone around but that would have been a little too close for comfort. And there would be a report written up.
@tonejames92726 жыл бұрын
VOR/ DME... how old is this? Must be recent, they’re using Line Up and Wait vs Position and hold... I game tomorrow heard VOR DME in years...
@EG-06116 жыл бұрын
Does Volaris train their pilots on FSX MP Steam edition?
@EG-06116 жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot and I am not playing FSX. So pach your sh*t and move on.
@maiku416 жыл бұрын
Radar trails! That was quick:) Thanks!
@takethehighroad50276 жыл бұрын
at 9.42 he said 22R not 22L
@Drumzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz5 жыл бұрын
Waiting for 'call company'
@joejordan1259 Жыл бұрын
No excuse for the valaris pilot to make that mistake no excuse at all.
@grazynazambeanie5963 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't let people know who created those graphics lol
@NLozar226 жыл бұрын
8:01 JFK 13R TWR: *Volaris 880 is landing on 22L... Well shit, 22R is intersecting with my RWY, better hold that departure* At that point I lost it xD
@tundramanq3 жыл бұрын
Parallel runways, especially side by side, are only safe if everyone involved pays close attention. This one is still an ATC statistic but not the worst kind.
@triple7marc3 жыл бұрын
Parallel runways, especially side by side? Aren’t all parallel runways side by side? Because that’s what parallel means?
@phillipmckie49136 жыл бұрын
To all my Spanish speaking Pilots, it's V-O-R not Vorrr...
@markemanuele19294 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how a pilot could mistake 13 R for 13 L. They almost NEVER land on 13R. 13R is the longer of the 2 parallel Rwy 13s, I have flown this approach MANY times and (at least for me) it was VERY OBVIOUS to me which was which. If you look at the Approach Plate, There are many more approach lights for 13L than on 13R.
@12345fowler3 жыл бұрын
So how do you explain that this issue has arisen may times in the past ? Including local guys ?
@saooddadabhoy64906 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised tower didn’t give him a phone number after that ordeal
@timothykappel1983 жыл бұрын
Its suck when your communicating with someone over a radio with such a heavy accent. Accidents and miscommunication will happen.
@Unfinished_sentenc6 жыл бұрын
Love the new visuals!!!
@MRBROWSER20126 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the cab driver I had today :). Why so zoomed in for the whole video?
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Not the whole video.
@MRBROWSER20126 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion but 3/4 of the video is zoomed in too much and can't see the Volaris go around.
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
It's not because of the zoom.
@Cthippo16 жыл бұрын
"Ladies and Gentlemen on the left side of the aircraft, please feel free to give the aircraft we are now passing the finger"
@quackbury94134 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to tell that damn Harrison Ford to stop flying into Class B airspace. with or without the mustache and the Jose Jimenez accent.
@The_G_892 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know an Airbus A319 could go that far. Is that one of the NEOs or something?
@robertoloja962910 ай бұрын
Didn't A319s fly full business from London to NY? It's 2000nm from Mexico City, versus 3400nm from London
@michaelthompson33814 жыл бұрын
Maybe i heard it wrong but a couple of times I thought I heard the tower controller say "clear to land" when the receiving aircraft was following another still in the air !!.
@gordanmilne7034 Жыл бұрын
Appears standard practice in the U S.
@JaxHolo2 жыл бұрын
6:43 Voi880 wanted to Return land at 13 L, But Approach tell them, "Nope, I already advice you 22L, Don't want to have you repeating the same mistake again". IDK that's what I getting right now. Straight to 22L, didn't even question why.
@Calatinus3 жыл бұрын
No possible pilot deviation?
@pking03 жыл бұрын
Where is the phone call number? Disappointed :)
@planewatcher76046 жыл бұрын
Great video
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching :)
@r.c.collins65136 жыл бұрын
06:55 Stewardess asks captain if he wants Sprite with his double gin.
@hardy2k114 жыл бұрын
That was actually Rushy Fix not Rosly
@joaogabriellima15896 жыл бұрын
awesome video
@rubenvillanueva27536 жыл бұрын
Nomal day at the office!
@DJT1835 жыл бұрын
Spent the whole vid waiting for "possible pilot deviation, I have a number for you to copy" - I was disappointed it never happened lol
@droge1924 жыл бұрын
Let us know when you make a human error, in whatever field of work you're in, and get away with it..... we'll all express our disappointment too.
@TheBlooRayChannel6 жыл бұрын
They should have women running all the ATC. Nice, soothing calm voices.
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
actually US Justice believes that women law enforcement officers do very well overall in terms of safety and quality of customer service approaches to their work.
@wjatube6 жыл бұрын
You may want to check out that ATC lady in San Diego who was "re-assigned" for her near disastrous handling nearly put a plane into a mountain. She lost her cool. Asked the confused pilot "What are you doing?" instead of giving proper headings to correct his course.
@maryhunter63896 жыл бұрын
@TheBlooRayChannel - There are lots of male ATC with nice calming voices. I do prefer female voices myself, but that's because I can hear them more clearly for some reason.
@forgottenfamily6 жыл бұрын
There are studies that suggest that both male and female pilots respond better to female ground control particularly during stressful situations
@memovilmx62396 жыл бұрын
Do you have more data about that incident? which flight or dates?
@aljack19796 жыл бұрын
Doe's ATC not to file a report on thistle?
@vancouver4sure5 жыл бұрын
As the Volaris pilot called go around and didnt actually comprimise 22R why cancel the othe planes take off clearance?
@VASAviation5 жыл бұрын
They would encounter midair
@Scoofio19876 жыл бұрын
So does this mean he didn’t actually have ILS for 13L set up? And was just hand flying? This pilot sounded a little sleepy. Long flight in that little airbus...
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
No, this is a VOR Canarise approach. No ILS available for anyone.
@Scoofio19876 жыл бұрын
VASAviation - Oh ya,I’m sorry, I thought he was cleared for a ILS approach. Makes sense...
@JonnyRicter5 жыл бұрын
Oh I get it, he's a sleepy Mexican. Lol
@mgg4brentwood5 жыл бұрын
@@Scoofio1987 There is no ILS for Rwy 13 L/R. That track would conflict with traffic patterns for La Guardia. That's why they have to fly the strange Canarsie VOR/DME (now called the Parkway Visual) approach.
@RaysDad4 жыл бұрын
Did Harrison Ford get a job with Volaris?
@joset.garcia87146 жыл бұрын
I love your videos where can I learn the vocabulary that the control tower And the pilots use???
@VASAviation6 жыл бұрын
Just watch these videos. I think it's the best way.
@profmet6 жыл бұрын
It's aeronautical phraseology
@joset.garcia87146 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the link
@martintheiss7436 жыл бұрын
Jose if you ever hear a "phone number" call its the desk for the FAA ATC officer in charge of the shift to take a report of an accident, terror, or other reportable mishap. Basically if it was not a situation where you saw a plane in an unsafe location and wish to report it but you think the ATC is actually talking to the pilots in question the situation is messed up and you might lose your flight license for the incident.
@maxflyman54355 жыл бұрын
The audio, and what was happening with it, was excellent. But regardless of you telling us that video was or was not real time didn't mean anything. All we saw was a black screen...... !?!???!
@victorgigante53745 жыл бұрын
Good God man, do you not know your right from your left?
@jr132274 жыл бұрын
Wonder what the reason the pilots gave the passengers for the go around
@dalfifran75724 жыл бұрын
The Volaris pilot made a mistake, ATC rectify the situation and made report if necessary, fine. But really, berating and made smart remark about it on public comm? I count around 5 times that male ATC keep said it, some of it just sound really uncalled and unprofessional. *"Now that guy out of the way..."* *"The previous traffic... is now no longer a factor"* He even keep mention it when Volaris already taxiing, long after the incident happened...
@maxxiong4 жыл бұрын
Aerogal 700 v2 I guess..
@dizzyology75143 жыл бұрын
Exactly! This is exactly the same situation that occurred in October 2010 when Aerogal 700 had been cleared to land on 13L and had read back 13L, but started to land on 13R, where a JetBlue flight had been cleared for takeoff. The tower controller for that incident was Steven Abraham ("Kennedy Steve"), and when, in an interview after his retirement, he was asked about emergencies he had handled, that was the one he described. The main difference between that episode and this one is that the Aerogal crew was quite slow on the uptake, whereas in this case the Volaris crew immediately recognized the danger of the situation and wisely initiated a go around on their own. Here is the earlier incident: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZmaoZakg5p6orM
@deltaflyer19976 жыл бұрын
So...was the field low IFR...they weren't using ILS so I assume not...how could he get mixed up on this...a simple glance at a chart to confirm runways would have prevented this.
@navarxos866 жыл бұрын
When you are told 13L and you see both runway lights you go left, you don't need for charts. More like basic understanding of left and right (or maybe write, who knows). JFK doesn't have a central runway or multiple pairs, in order to get confused. And in the end, a pre-flight reading of the charts, is standard even for amateur pilots, assuming the PIC had never been to JFK before.
@DaveDepilot-KFRG6 жыл бұрын
Spoken like somebody who has never approached a field with pararrel runways, epecially on a bright and sunny day. Some years back, I almost made the same mistake in ISLIP with 33L and 33R but caught myself as I got closer and was able to easily switch since I was in a Piper, and not an airliner. I was very new at the time, but even now, it's not that easy to distinguish which is left and right when you're on a visual during a sunny day and the sun is shining and there are surrounding buildings. Trust me, it's not like flight SIM, the view is much different than you would expect when you're at 1500 or 1600 and 7-8 miles out. As you get closer, it's easier to distinguish, but at JFK, the taxiways are so wide that it makes it even harder, first figure out which are the runways, and then left and right. Personally, when turning base to final more tha 5 miles out, I often don't see the runway and just try to time it and roll out as close to centerline as I could, and then adjust as needed as I get loser. But I'm not flying an airliner, my approach is 80 knots, not 160, so I have a good 4 minutes to correct.
@navarxos866 жыл бұрын
While i have to agree with the general idea that it not that easy, it is not that hard. First of all there are the standards. In order to get in the captain's seat on an airliner you need to prove your skill. Parallel runways as everywhere and parallel landing are not uncommon either. You can not swing left and right on final. On certain airports there are even sidestepping procedures. Second, on JFK, 13R is next to the sea and it is considerably longer that 13L. As for the base reference, you are correct,you have to time it sometimes. But, there are two differences. First it is the matter of the weather. METARs show acceptable weather, with good visibility. Second, he was executing Instrument approach.
@navarxos866 жыл бұрын
@Barry A. Thanks?
@amelliamendel22275 жыл бұрын
Am I hearing this right during the final they switched pilots if not flight crew?