CHARMED : AN ON-SCREEN SIBLING RIVALRY

[@wille5080]

Everybody missing the real story here: My girl Holly Marie Combs being an awesome actress with incredible range, the first 3 seasons being the insecure middle sister, turning into the bad ass confident oldest sister in the last 5 seasons.

[@eoincampbell1584]

Yes! The transition knocked off some fans but those that stayed stayed for Piper's character development and Holly's acting.

[@thesaucyRN]

Loooove her

[@ccdaly2561]

Right? And she retained that kinda anxious snappy thing she had from the original seasons. She didn't change, necessarily, she just developed as she dealt with, frankly, having the most shit dumped on her by the universe of the show.

[@rachelm.3173]

Right?! I loved that switch up

[@wille5080]

Courtney Kelly a wonderful example of character development. She didn’t change, she just grew and adapted as a person. 🙂

[@JenMistress]

And kinda funny, but my favorite of the Charmed Sisters was the one who stayed out of most of the drama, Piper. Go figure. 🤷

[@adriadanee73]

Same I loved her

[@nadjakari1752]

Mine too!

[@decadentgamer3108]

I loved Piper in the first 4 seasons but she became a total nagging harpy in the later seasons, so much so that you had to wonder how Leo managed to stay with her lol.

[@caneimcdonald9226]

@@decadentgamer3108 Agreed!! As a big fan of Charmed myself, you can't help but to call out it's many faults, especially with the characters. Piper Halliwell was one of my favorites out of Charmed sisters too, until they completely made her a shrew-ish homemaker from hell who was basically tethering on villain territory in the later seasons. The once shy, but witty and driven middle sister turned into the miserable older sister that constantly bitched at Leo and was hesitant to use her magic to kick demon ass and save lives after Prue was killed off. The true definition of character assassination!!.

[@decadentgamer3108]

@@caneimcdonald9226 For real. Piper and Phoebe were ruined to the nth degree but Piper got it worse because so many of us loved the shy, sensitive, but driven character that she was in season 1-2, she started showing the shrew signs in season 3 but it wasn't excessive. In Season 4 it was excusable since she was grieving Prue's loss but after that, oh man was she insufferable...

[@brandyloutherback9288]

I'm not gonna lie, I liked Rose McGowan's Paige, but she was the only sister who cared about helping people! That was a big problem with Phoebe and Piper, they seemed too overly focused on their own petty problems to bother caring about people. With Shannen Doherty, they seemed to focus more on helping people than their own petty problems, which was kind of you know the entire plot of the show. Then it became about who the Charmed Ones happened to be dating that week, or about kissing Alyssa or Holly's butt because they were producers from Season 5 onwards, but they mostly focused on how awesome Alyssa was.

[@dioncarter2327]

I loved Prue

[@shayla106]

That’s actually fits piper character. She doesn’t like change. Wether it’s good or bad. Its why she was always the quickest to give up magic. Especially because it’s tied to lost for her.

[@CatsClaw44]

That character was terrible.

[@olavihekandjo2928]

Shannon allegedly took more of a creative control after season 1, she fought for better stories and archs for the girls. Which is why the was better in the first 3 seasons

[@MrParkerman6]

*Shannen

[@shayla106]

Wait, Holly wasn’t the top billed performer? But she was the best one. She carried that show after Prue left.

[@IHARumor]

I agree. But sadly that's not how showbusiness works. Alyssa was the more established and well known actress at that point. Holly did get final billing though ("And Holly Marie Combs as Piper").

[@springlady8337]

She is the top billing. She got “and Holly as Piper” which is the best you can get. Then Alyssa was first billing, then Rose.

[@joeyfrmtheblock1735]

After Shannen left, the opening credits listed the actors in order of who was paid the most, so no, Alyssa was top billing.

[@TCt83067695]

@@joeyfrmtheblock1735 this is just false. Cause you're suggesting Rose got paid more than Holly in latter seasons.

[@springlady8337]

Joseph J No, Holly got top billing. She is listed last but has “and Holly Marie Combs as ‘Piper’” and that is the best you can get.

[@caneimcdonald9226]

The show also went from being Buffy with witches when Shannen Doherty was around to Sex and the City with witches once Rose McGowan came along LOL.

[@juliantapia1407]

Or rather once Doherty left. Rose only had a slight amount of control compared to Milano and her direction. Just look at the show about Maids that was very Desperate house wives that milano was in control of

[@AmoMe2009]

Perfect comment ever. Although I loved Season 7 so much, the first 3 seasons esepcially Season 1 and my favorite Season 3 were most deff Buffy with witches. Idk why especially in Season 6 did it become Sex and the city 🙄

[@Facade953]

I had a HUGE crash on Rose back then!😅

[@guillermodebaskerville7117]

Tbf I think Milano has more to do with that that McGowan ever did

[@caneimcdonald9226]

@@guillermodebaskerville7117 Rose McGowan didn't have anything to do with the change at all, i'm highlighting the overall shift in direction and tone with HER seasons (4-8).

[@Mazikeen1809]

I always preferred Prue...didn't hate Paige at all, but the first 3 series always felt better and like the sisters actually gelled, despite the alleged behind the scenes arguments

[@caneimcdonald9226]

At least the first three seasons with Shannen Doherty were at least coherent, the Rose McGowan seasons were...

[@decadentgamer3108]

Yeah same. I missed seeing Prue, Piper, and Phoebe having their morning talks in the kitchen before Prue and Piper left for work, gave total warm feelings that were lost when Piage came in. I don't hate Paige but the chemistry between Prue, Piper, and Phoebe was just so good despite the background fighting.

[@ccdaly2561]

Even if they weren't talking if the cameras weren't rolling, Milano and Doherty still really played well together on screen. I think the fact that they were written to be, to paraphrase how Vee put it, siblings siblings who couldn't care less about each other until they were forced to live together again.

[@charlenefulton1452]

I agree. Loved prue

[@r4z0rv1n3]

Yeah it's so weird that they supposedly hated each other so much when their work together on screen was so good. I mean it probably helped that they actually had a lot of scenes where they were like real sisters and sometimes were at odds with each other. But the dynamic was actually good.

[@caneimcdonald9226]

Yesss, Charmed was my show back in the day and i'm still a fan til this day, but the best seasons of the show by far was when Shannen Doherty was around. Once Rose McGowan came on it became a whole other show LOL.

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

It wasn't a bad thing tho. I loved majority of the show.

[@MrLuciusrm]

I think the first mc gowan season ( 4th season) was in the same spirit of Doherty seasons...

[@adriadanee73]

Yeah I was so mad when they got someone new

[@tizzytank579]

How bout the 4th sister who I can't remember the name of

[@june8230]

Aviva

[@sweetmeme1987]

my Aunt once said that once Pru left their taste in clothes went down the drain, and this perfectly sums my feelings about the show. in a fight I will back Pru every single time.

[@morganrobinson8042]

Her name was prudence. Of course when they lost her their judgement suffered.

[@june854]

Yeah it got so weird after the actress left! They did dress very different after.

[@decadentgamer3108]

Yeah I noticed that the wardrobe became either tacky (mostly Phoebe's wardrobe) or overtly sexualized. The first 2 seasons of Charmed, the wardrobes felt more personalized yet somewhat realistic.

[@vpoetic]

Especially, to be living in San Francisco where the average temperature is in the low 70's.

[@wille5080]

While I mostly agree about the fashion getting a bit tackier, let’s not give Shannen too much credit. Let’s not forget the numerous episodes where they dressed Shannen so you could basically see Prue’s nipples through her shirt. 👀

[@rikkiwear853]

If you look at the post-Prue seasons, it was all about Phoebe's love life and bad taste in clothes. Once Alyssa and Holly became producers, it became an ego trip.

[@terynb4407]

If anything I would have loved a show with piper boys being witches and Holly being very involved simply because she seemed like a breath of fresh air in those last season's.or maybe she ends up with a nother boy and they somehow become the charmed ones and take over

[@RetroButt]

Seasons 1-4 of Charmed = Buffy-like Seasons 5-8 of Charmed = Sabrina the Teenage Witch (lol)

[@AmoMe2009]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes! Especially season 6 🙄. Season 1 is my favorite then Season 3.

[@SaturdayParker]

How dare you disrespect Sabrina like that!

[@mrsmerily]

nothing like sabrina, sabrina was light hearted and fun. Those seasons were more like soapoperas.

[@psynymph]

You also forgot to mention with the departure of Shannen Doherty, the actual creator of the show Constance M. Burge left in that same season. They were both undermined with the creative direction of the show, and were basically cast out. They hated the direction that the WB wanted them to go in. I do believe that Shannen did leave before she was fired in an effort to be the one who ended her relationship with the show first. But the god's honest truth is that the WB basically had a weird hatred for Charmed and the actors, the company was always stifling the creative input of the creator and the team. My basic takeaway is that it's Brad Kern, who basically retains the Charmed rights, and Alyssa Milano that were the root of all the unnecessary drama. And yes, my favorite was Prue, she definitely impacted my childhood the most.

[@wille5080]

Hex I thought Burge left after season 2? Interesting!

[@AmoMe2009]

Notice how Charmed never ever got the same promo as a Dawsons Creek or Buffy. sad to say but the only decent promo of Charmed is the Season 3 premiere trailer.

[@GLBizzie]

DEE MEECH TBH Buffy and Dawson were better Shows anyway lmao

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

To this day, Holly still speaks ill of how Brad was like. She even laughed when he started getting accused of shit, course that was also due to him stealing the Book of Shadows prop when the series ended.

[@biguy617]

Shannon had problems on Beverly Hills 90210. She left that show too remember.

[@bisexualichigo4227]

Idk why. As a Charmed fan, it always made me feel sad knowing the actresses had problems with each other behind the scenes. Dealing with actors and actresses can be problematic. 😵

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

Of course you feel sad. It's a show about the sisterly bond.

[@zackerycrouch7277]

Knowing Alyssa Milano today, I can understand why there was tension.

[@Indigo_Boi757]

Wait you know Alyssa Milano? I have so many questions

[@decadentgamer3108]

@@Indigo_Boi757 No, he means how she comes across (most likely on social media). She has this semi-egoist aura about her.

[@davidmarriott6321]

She must be good at what she does because in these clips it was the other two women that came off poorly. Especially Rose, she sounded like the villain of a crime movie in these interviews " you think I dont know these people".

[@joeyfrmtheblock1735]

Mmm I don’t think so

[@TCt83067695]

Yes she's a terrible human being

[@joeyfrmtheblock1735]

There definitely was a difference between Prue Charmed and Paige Charmed, but I feel like the show peaked during season 4 as the sisters had to reinvent themselves again. The show declined from season 5 onwards.

[@RetroButt]

Exactly lol, I wrote it as a separate comment but I'll say it here, for me Charmed seasons 1-4 were dark and Buffy-like and 5-8 was too Sabrina the Teenage Witch lol

[@bkross100]

I do believe that the moment Shannen left , the show died. She was a presence, and the writing and stories were much better with her in it. Come on, all hell breaks loose was directed by her and is still the best episode of the series. I read that she wanted to keep the show at that level of energy and story. It’s a shame she left, I think had she became a producer like the other two actresses, the show would have been amazing. She was missed

[@inmyopinionnnn]

Piper carried the show after she left

[@christmansonpunk2927]

Honestly, had Shannon BECOME a producer who knows? It could've been amazing

[@TheFranchiseCA]

Seasons 1-3 improved each year. After that, it declined each year. I liked 4 more than 3, but I understand that's a minority opinion.

[@Surgemaster2012]

@@inmyopinionnnn More like Paige carried the show. Piper was awful after Season 4.

[@shayla106]

@@Surgemaster2012 Nope, hugely disagree. Piper carried her family and her acting carried the show.

[@center5150]

I always liked Paige .... but it always annoyed me that the power of 3 was actually the power of 4 ... and it made the flashbacks to previous lives really not make sense

[@Eli8411]

It annoyed me really because if the prophecy was three sisters then really they shouldn’t have been the charmed ones because regardless of whether they knew her Paige was their sister so there was always four

[@pinkpowercoin3341]

This was addressed in a comic (which I believe is canon). Basically Prue was still connected to the sisters' "source" in the Po3, so the other girls could/have never actually tapped into the apex of what theyre capable of. That's why Billy and Christie were even considered a threat to them. The sisters' power is essentially at its strongest/fullest potential when there are only three of them tapping into it.

[@thegeek4145]

@@pinkpowercoin3341 the comics are Canon yes, and I think Paige was never me at to be born, no one foresaw her birth because it so against the rules that it wasn't even envisioned and therefore the power of three was given to Prue, Piper and Phoebe before Paige was conceived (remember Patty could use Phoebe's connection the Po3 when pregnant) and then it was bound and protected by Grams. (I also believe that no other member of the family had more than two children and thus those people could never be the Charmed ones) - we also know that Paige only inherited whatever power wasn't in use at the time "according to the prophecy the third sister has the power to move objects with her mind" so that leads me to believe had Piper died that Paige would have the molecular manipulation powers, but no matter what she obvs had her whitelighter powers (which also leads me to believe that her whitelighter side automatically removed her from the Charmed legacy until it was needed)

[@marywilcox3102]

@@thegeek4145 Paige does get a lot of flack, but I like her character. And I do enjoy the first three seasons very much. Season 4 was well done, including Season 5, but Season 6... something just wasn't right. Season 7 did a little better, and Season 8 ended it quite well.

[@straightblackgirl]

Remember Paige never properly tapped into the power of three. Remember when Phoebe casting the spell she said "three" thinking of her and the sisters she knew.

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

Shannon Doherty. You kept saying Dorothy, drove me nuts. Sounds like Dough-er-tee.

[@wille5080]

ThatOneDudeWhoIsn'tInTheSameRoomAsYou I felt the same way when he said Holly “Mary” Combs. 😞

[@MrUseless247]

LoL!!! I thought I was going crazy. So, I was hearing him correctly.

[@MrUseless247]

The thing I like about Shannon Doherty, I guess, it's the very thing that gets her in the "drama". It shows the public who she really is, and she isn't putting an act on to please anyone. People with an ego hate a person who's comfortable in their own position.

[@RilianSharp]

i stopped watching charmed when they replaced prue. about 10 years later, i finally got over it and watched the rest of the series in reruns. now i've seen the entire series all the way through 3 times (before netflix was a thing. i had to record them off tnt.) and i think paige is my favorite character.

[@rachelm.3173]

I liked Paige too. I think Rose McGowan brought a nice sense of humor to the role.

[@TheVargr]

I felt the show got really crap during season 4. I enjoyed the first 3 seasons and then they killed off the most interesting sister. By the end of season 4 onwards the three sisters became completely self absorbed and obnoxious

[@caneimcdonald9226]

Agreed!! During the years with Rose McGowan, the Halliwells were mean spirited twats towards each other and other characters. The biggest offender imo was Piper who went from being the shy and witty sister to the complete homemaker from hell that constantly bitched at Leo, while Phoebe pretty much blamed everything on Cole LOL.

[@shayla106]

Canei McDonald Ummm, what? Dating Cole is like dating a drug addict and getting mad at their spouse when they have had enough. They gave him so many chances, after a while you just getting tired of hoping. Next, that so called nagging bitch piper was willing to go against death to save her husband Leo, raised her kids when he was up there’s, all while fighting the forces of evil.

[@awesomeatronik]

@@shayla106 cole got done dirty. His character deserved so much more from that show.

[@shayla106]

@@awesomeatronik I think he had a great ending, he helped the sisters out in the end and even though they will never know all the good he did it doesn’t matter. He knows he’s doing good.

[@CyborgWolf]

I remember in 6th grade EVERYBODY was obsessed with this show at my school. The girls for the drama & shit The boys for Cole & the demons. Because Cole was SO BADASS

[@CyborgWolf]

@Shiloh Sinaloa they were a treat sure, but a badass character who just wanted to be an asshole? It was so great

[@Jose-se9pu]

Yeah..."the demons"

[@darianrose2195]

I'm a girl and I definitely kept watching for Cole for a time. Even when the writing wasn't the best and they couldn't decide how to handle the character, he was so damned interesting.

[@page394potter8]

Gay af, but many straight guys who watched the show def had a crush on Doherty.

[@vaannebilim]

@@Jose-se9pu teets

[@txcforever]

Really liked the show back in the day but when Doherty left, my interest left with her. She was the prettier, the more charismatic and the best character in the show. That they kicked her out instead of Milano was just stupid.

[@katemaloney4296]

My faves in order: Prue, Piper, Paige, Andy, Leo, and Pheobe. And I agree with Shannen that the show could have had better writing and more direction--after all, her first gigs were working opposite Michael Landon (who allowed absolutely NO slacking or monkey-shine on his set, and Wilford Brimley and Deirdre Hall (both of whom had stellar acting chops and dedicated work experience). The show was okay for the fourth season, but it was never the same. Shannen brought something to the show that made it special. JMHO.

[@Violet_Beauregard]

The coolest thing about this show is that when I used to watch it 20 years ago nobody seemed to watch it, now it's 2020 and people are still talking about it and rewatching it. Ok maybe it wasn't the best show ever, but it was iconic in many ways. When I heard Shannen Doherty was leaving I couldn't believe it, because you couldn't think of Charmed without Prue. But when they introduced Rose/Paige I liked her from the very beginning because (long story short, believe it or not) I had had a sort of premunition about her even before knowing Shannen was leaving. Paige was a good addition to the show, I'm only sorry she didn't have a decent storyline (irrelevant relationships and had to quit her job to be a witch) and she never met Prue. I also prefer the first seasons where there was Prue, I think that despite their offscreen arguments and their different features, they were pretty believable as sisters. However in some of my favourite episodes there was Paige. After season 4 I thought the show would run out of ideas and come to an end soon, but season 5 is probably my favourite straight after season 2 with Piper's pregnancy and all. Season 8 was full of bad ideas for me, considering it was the last season, it should've been more focused on the sisters while we waisted time with Billy and her sis. They rushed everything, from Paige getting married to Phoebe moving out and meeting Coop, but at least the end was nice with most of the family together. And yes, it was weird that the had photos of everybody in their family except Prue!

[@xenos_n.]

Vee: *inserts his hot gf to show her off* ... admit it. That's why you did it.

[@LittleMonzter666]

Wait I didn’t know I was his gf!!! *swoon if only

[@xenos_n.]

@@LittleMonzter666 I can't tell if a person in Vee's video gave him a compliment or a sick sarcastic burn 😂😂😂

[@MiguelDracul]

I'm also a 27 year old guy and God I love Charmed so freaking much. 😂 The decline you felt after season 3 has a reason: along with Shannen (who was pushing for better, deeper and darker storylines), Constance M. Burge, the creator of the show, also departed from it. Constance based the characters on her own sisters and their relationship, so she knew how to write them very well and were to take their storylines. About Paige: I hate her. I like Dawn better than her. Seriously. We've already had the quirky, irresponsible, free spirited sister growing up thing with Phoebe through 3 seasons. It was like getting a second Phoebe only way more self-centered. I couldn't stand her, but I like Rose McGowan though. Thanks for your video! 🇧🇷

[@josedias5978]

I cried my eyes out when Prue Halliwell died

[@Carmellia]

Same😭

[@carlomanesc08]

Each Charmed era is unique in their own way. The first one was drama centered and mainly focused on the 3 sisters. The second era was drama-comedy centered and expands the lore of the "Charmed" universe. Is no wonder why my favorite seasons are 3 (the end of Prue's era) & 4 (the begining of Paige's era)

[@yujirohanma5199]

Not gonna lie, when I was a kid, I only watched Charmed because Rose McGowan n Alyssa Milano were ultra hot. Other than that, it was too girly for me. Opinions of a 13 year old child

[@obviouslyPSM]

Charmed bringing in Paige was never going to be perfect, but it should have went way worse for them.

[@jaysmith9933]

God video. I disagree about Shannen and Alyssa's on screen chemistry though their chemistry was fantastic and I never felt the characters didn't care for each other (not even during the first few episodes of season one when they were supposed to hate each other) . I think all of the orginal 3 actresses had amazing chemistry with each other onscreen. Little things like playful looks they'd shoot each other during dialog, when they'd walk hand in hand while out and about, the inside jokes the characters had with each other, etc. There was just a genuine sister bond that came across onscreen with the orginal three actresses. That chemistry was severely lacking with Paige, Rose always seemed disinterested in the role and just phoned it in the entire 5 seasons she was there.

[@wonderinart8429]

I watched Charmed when it first aired, I loved it. I stopped watching when they killed off Prue, I hated Rose McGowan at the time. But, years later, I watched the entire series. I love it all now. When I watch Prue, I wish she had stayed. When I watch Paige, I wish she'd been there from the beginning. Seems my initial assessment was right, on a personal level, though, because Rose McGowan is kinda nutty.

[@pinkpowercoin3341]

Prue is by and far my favourite, with Piper a close second. I can't even explain how upset I was when season four aired and I found out Prue was, like, dead dead.

[@ericatheempress6698]

Alyssa Milano: It was very highschool Holli marie Combs: She didnt even go to highschool Me: well damn

[@InfluenceFilms]

Prue made the show. When she was gone, the show declined and honestly, I don't even bother watching any seasons after season 3. Her character made the show so much better. Night and day.

[@rocyrino]

There'll always be a special place in my heart for this show, even after watching Alison Pregler (formerly known as Obscurus Lupa)entire deep dive into the seven seasons. Your video hit me in the right spot too, so thank you

[@evilsilence88]

It’s Shannon Doherty, not Dorothy. Also, Shannon was actually fired but was planning on staying. Yes she had issues and wanted to get let out of her contract so she could do a new pilot but instead of letting her out early, she made it seem like they were going to have another season with Prue. Then, they gave her the pink slip while she was filming in Canada. Alyssa and Holly have both said this was a really crappy way to let her go. She would have stayed, but who knows. Honestly, I think Brad Kern had issues with her and we’ll never really know what happened. I’m not saying Alyssa and Shannen didn’t have their bad days but I also think there’s way more to the story. Shannen definitely likes to manipulate the facts, her story always changes. The final truth is, she wanted out. They said no. Season ended, they went behind her back and fired her anyways. She was pissed that they screwed her over, and no she didn’t actually plan her death like she said she did. She likes to spin, Shannen likes to have the power.

[@BabySwearWords]

Prue was the best written sister and died before she was able to be destroyed by the writing of the later seasons.

[@AmoMe2009]

Well said. that was my favorite character especially in Season 1. Confident and sexy as fuck!

[@regiman222]

17:07 Sounds like the best way to do it. Also make me wonder if they picked the wrong Charmed Sister to play Young Cora in Once Upon A Time.

[@pittypablo]

Prue. Not only did she have the coolest/strongest powers but Shannen was also the strongest actress of the three. With her the show had more of a dark tone and she was also the eldest and the leader. Alyssa aka Phoebe was the weakest of the three not only because of her passive powers but also acting wise. She was ditzy and her look would change from one episode to another on a whim. Kind of distracting to go from pale skin and long hair and then suddenly tan with short hair then back again. I could never really believe any of the emotions she was supposedly attempting to convey. Good thing Holly aka Piper was there to hold it together since she herself was also a great actress. Then enters Rose McGowan, another weak actress who couldn't get her footing. We were left with two of three sisters being mediocre but now It was far more obvious when there was no more balance between the three. It became melodramatic and goofy the plotlines got more ridiculous as the show went on and it also looked like they lost there budget since it looked cheap. Now saying that I've recently been watching season 4 for the first time since re-runs back in the day and with all its faults I still enjoyed it. At least I did for the ~14 episodes I've watched. But that might be because I enjoy the Or he references it makes it feel like any episode now she'll be back.

[@BigStevie]

That show for those special dreams. God Bless the creator of Charmed.

[@solonsaturngaming3727]

This is like Oasis the Band and the Brothers, i was surprised that those brothers stayed for that long without anyone being hurt or killed as they really hate each other like oil and water. This edition is TV and girls than Rock and Roll, and bad blood brothers.

[@IndigoPhoenix21]

Prue was my favorite for a long time, but ultimately Piper is the GOAT.

[@shanecadden7914]

Prue and Paige were the best because they weren't producers on the show, they just acted their parts as best they could and did not worry about looking perfect and successful and flawless, which I think is a major factor in the later seasons sucking so much, I recommend Movie Night's season by season review for more details

[@kyleday5026]

Shannen said back then she used to get bored and was difficult to work with and she said she decided to leave

[@SassyQT777]

When they were doing a spell calling on their ancestors they showed a tombstone for Prue. That was it for me ☠🤣

[@Vergilzelkin]

lol i just started watching this show again on Netflix. I can't stand how they had to change the music due to license expiration

[@rachelm.3173]

😩I loved the original theme song. I've re-watched the series a hundred times and never got tired of hearing it.

[@Vergilzelkin]

Rachel M. I swear when I was younger I would look forward to seeing the intro more than seeing the episode lol. That’s how much I loved the original tune, it just FIT

[@wohdinhel]

There definitely *is* a “likeness fee” for reappearances in TV shows, though the actual amount is usually determined by the contract. The idea that they would have had to pay “a full episode rate” just to show pictures of her is highly exaggerated but rooted in fact.

[@AB-fx7tg]

I prefer the Charmed episodes with Prue. When, I rewatch the show on Netflix, I tend to watch the Prue episodes.

[@noticemeonii-chan5347]

I used to watch the hell out of the show

[@cclintrich]

The fact that Rose n Holly had an issue with Alyssa, says a whole lot. (Common sense would say who the problem was all the time.) Plus, Shannen was actually right about how the show needed a change. The 4th season and on, they started doing theme episodes. The sisters had individual lives; in love. I notices when Shannen left, she didn't say a whole lot afterwards. Alyssa was on every program complaining and almost gloating! I didn't believe her at all! I've met many ppl in my 50 years that does alot of bad things; causes problems. And then they act like they're the victim and wants to tell everybody. 😒

[@zeshanmahmood4958]

100% agree with you and correct viewpoint from another Charmed fan, Mr Vee Infuso!

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Now that I've worked with actors/actresses (all small stuff, nothing big) and have seen how much it takes to plan and put together a production, I just feel bad for the people who have to do the recovery/recasting work after someone leaves due to problems onset. The show is very "real" for the audience, but in reality it's just a person leaving a job they are unhappy with. But managing the disruption to the fiction can't be fun. I'm glad in this case they cast a new character and built almost a new series around it instead of recasting Pru. They have "magic" to justify it, unlike some recastings. The new character gave them at least a reasonable way to keep going as a show. While post-Prue isn't great, it's okay enough to still be an enjoyable show.

[@h445]

vee you know what's funny? thinking back i remember thinking during watching the show that it was just really good acting: pru the eldest sister, phoebe the youngest and the friction that goes along with that style of sibling rivalry. i never realized that it was actual tension - i just thought the women were great actresses!!!!

[@melodramatic7904]

And now Rose Mcgowen is accusing Alyssa Milano of making the set toxic.

[@bingeingforsoup]

It just makes me really happy that my guilty pleasure show is something Vee is a fan of

[@JG-kk1mr]

i also loved charmed as a kid. prue was always my fave but when i was younger i believed the media when they said shannon was a bitch. now i feel bad for her.

[@Luna-ch9us]

Charmed and The Office are my favorite shows. It’s sucks that there’s always this “what if” question when I rewatch them. What if Shannon stayed? What if Steve stayed? It’s hard watching the episodes right after Prue’s death. She truly was the best out of the 4 character wise. I think their chemistry was AMAZING! It was written that the older sister and younger sister had...sisterly beef. They did it with Piper and Paige as well. Prue and Phoebe had great moments. As a kid (28 now been watching since I was 11), I would have never suspected they didn’t like each other. Sigh.

[@trinaq]

Shannen Doherty must be notoriously difficult to work with, as she had a similar off screen feud on "Beverly Hills 90210", butted heads with Jason Lee on the set of "Mallrats", and reportedly wasn't exactly pleasant on the set of "Heathers" either. I do hope that she's keeping well, in light of her recent cancer diagnosis. 😢🎗️💚

[@TheVargr]

She has cancer again? She had it a few years ago but beat it.

[@queenmagentafox]

Is it possible (neigh probablable) that Alyssa was the problem? I love all the actors from the OG charmed but considering how hard she jumped on the "me too" movement, she was quick to support accused predator and Joe Biden and took the pay check from Harvey Weinstein (who produced project runway all stars)... Like Rose says 'I believe she's a lie!'

[@caneimcdonald9226]

I think it was all Alyssa Milano bro!!

[@SpaceandGoats]

@@queenmagentafox alyssa is all about BLM, but she's one of the white women that took Metoo from black women that were addressing everyday life and made it about the casting couch in Hollywood.

[@Crux_JCr]

@@TheVargr she relapsed and unfortunately it's terminal already. She said she is just living her last days to the fullest now. Holly by the way got some flack for not posting a public "I am there for you" message and she went off that this was personal and private affair for her and how dare anyone try to make Shannen's illness a show. She was p.o.ed and rightfully so.

[@brolololo]

It became so much more campy and cartoon-like after season 4. I think they went from trying to appeal to a young adult woman audience to trying to appeal to the kid crowd after Harry Potter was such a big success. At least Paige got one decent season.

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

Thanks for this Charmed video. I prefer Prue and the first three seasons of Charmed were the best . No offence to Paige, but Charmed was the best with Prue. I'm glad Shannen and Alyssa are good now.

[@WinsdayWolf93]

I loved both Paige and Pru, but Pru felt more like a cool big sister while Paige felt more like the audience character? I was 10ish watchin this so when a younger sister with arguably cooler powers was added i immediatelly said “yes that is me”. I always wished Pru would come back, and i think she makes one silent appearance as a ghost at one point, but thats obviously not enough. As for my feelings on the show i feel like after Pipers first son (i can never remember if it was wyatt or chris) the whole thing just became extremely convoluted, with time travel and kidnappin the baby and the cults and it got too weird to follow at 10yo, specially wen the TV would play any ep it wanted. Maybe ill rewatch the whole thing and refresh my memory on what the hell that was all about, but Charmed has always had a special place in my heart

[@mariafernandavelascohernan5839]

I don't get why people loved Prue. She never grew as a character, and she got the chance to do so for three seasons. Phoebe, by the second season decides to take resposibility for herself and her own life. She goes to college, and becomes a professional journalist. Piper does change too, she becomes more confident and grows from Prue's death. Prue even lashes back at Phoebe for not being present when Piper first got shot in the 3rd season finale. Phoebe was in the underwold trying to help defeat the demon. What kind of sister does that?

[@lataviabrazelton9395]

To me Prue’s development was that she was never self absorbed, she was constantly putting her sisters lives and welfare into consideration before hers. Which I think is why a lot of people loved her because she had (first-child) habits, which was being the parent and adult to protect the others. Now I would’ve like to see that she changes as seasons went on and stop being so uptight. To soon realize that the magic wasn’t stopping the happiness in her life but herself.

[@olavihekandjo2928]

Prue's arch was that she had to finally put her own desires first

[@terynb4407]

I think that's the point prue was always that I got your back no matter what. And the writers failed to make her grow which is why I'm researching it and comparing it to the remake

[@Surgemaster2012]

Prue is liked because her sisters became horrible people by comparison and she was around before her character could suffer the same fate.

[@timrob12]

Thanks to local cons I have been able to meet both Shannen and Holly and they're such nice people. I even cracked up Shannen because my fake moustache fell off during our chat. All in all, I have nothing bad to say about these two.

[@rachelm.3173]

I loved the first three seasons with Prue, but also enjoyed the edition of Paige. I liked how the show did episodes w/grown up Wyatt and Chris.

[@ShadowSora8491]

Even in reruns, I initially caught the show with Piper, Phoebe and Paige, and took a real liking to Paige, so I was VERY confused, when I caught a rerun of the Season 1 episode "The Power of 2." My mom had to explain to me who Prue was, and that they didn't meat Paige until Season 4, after Prue died. When OG Charmed ended up on Netflix, and I watched through the first 3 seasons with Prue, Piper and Phoebe, I came to really like Prue, and found that her death didn't exactly sink in, until Season 4. While I like to rewatch the whole entire series [and, I unironically like the CW Charmed, too (sue me)], I enjoy the first 3 seasons, with Prue, Piper, and Phoebe the most, and Prue is still my favourite character in the OG Charmed. Also, my favourite episode is "Ms. Hellfire" from Season 2.

[@jackolantern717]

I love your supernatural collection

[@WDFilms25]

Seeing video of Rose McGowan makes me sad it’s like “she’s been through some shit”

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

My wife got me back into this show and I didn't have to buy full series of it because she got the DVD's couple years before we met

[@RomaroBrandon]

You know what else is a melodramatic post post Prue, Charmed 2018

[@burdenking]

*Time to sleep* Algorithm: Here's a video about Charmed. Me: Never really watched it, but.. Alright I'll bite. Vee: *Mentions Jennifer Love Hewitt* Me: "I recognize that name! She has some great songs! sees other recommended songs..." *a few hours later* "Curse you Algorithm!"

[@dcrazypersiancat]

When I was young, I wanted to be Prue when I grow up. Hahaha

[@goodiesguy]

I'm now tempted to go watch the ones with Shannon, as I only remember the ones with Rose growing up.

[@StarshineGoomba]

Seasons 4-8 were all about Phoebe and barely about being witches. The show lost all of its luster and it became more fun to make fun of than to actually enjoy. Also, there is apparently a storyline in the post-show comics where Prue was alive the whole time, just in another body. She was hanging out in Salem and letting Piper get a turn.

[@queenmagentafox]

The mispronouncing of shannen's surname and Holly's middle name... I felt very attacked

[@jimbrown5091]

Never saw a single episode...I couldn't go in for this silliness...or Buffy, or Angel. 😊

[@DeaditeSlayer01]

Kinda want a show with Prue, Piper, and Paige to be honest.

[@terynb4407]

Piper has always been my favorite she remained down to earth while still evolving and I think that had something to do with holly being a producer. Phobea always annoyed me because everything was just about love for her and it's like her powers was less and less incorporated because being charmed didn't matter but being in love did. And Paige she just seemed to be left out across the board and I felt like they could've really done some cool things with her whitelighter side.

[@pumbaaj]

I heard Tori begged Aaron to hire her to replace Shannen. I also heard Soleil Moon Frye (Punky Brewster) was considered as a replacement.

[@jaymesEo6]

Haha Shannen "DOROTHY" *Doherty P.S. Prue is the OG and the most powerful Charmed one! I loved SD in the role she and Holly were the best part of the show.

[@88kidflash]

Idk why but seeing Yen Lo on the screen had me cracking up!!!!!

[@june854]

I will always like the first tree seasons more then the other ones!

[@Critical-522]

I only like it when they had Cole turner

[@kladdelic]

Oh I remember very well taking a sick day back in school in 2007 because of Charmed. I really wanted to see the episode Prue died in. We had school till 1 PM regularly, and this would have been the one single freaking day we would have school till 4 PM - which meant that I would be too late at home. So this was one of the handful of times I was not at school during my entire school career - because of Charmed. Prue over Paige, though I liked both - Shannon was my first teen crush. :D

[@BradleyS95]

I love the first 3 seasons of Charmed especially the third one. Half way through Season 4 the show just goes downhill turning more into Sex and the City. I do think the introduction to Paige was done really well though. Prue is the best sister by far out of the 4, but after she left, Paige became the only likeable sister for me. Phoebe and Piper become very self centered.

[@decadentgamer3108]

But even Paige was starting to get unlikeable in season 6, it felt like the nastiness of Phoebe and Piper rubbed off onto her a little. She was still likeable compared to post OG Phoebe and Piper but yeah lol.

[@generationwhyentertainment2455]

yeah that thing at the end about having to pay Doherty reminds me of the final episode of DS9 where *spoilers* the big ending scene where it shows everyone leaving the station and they all have a little montage of their time there. It shows Ezri....and only shows flashback scenes of Ezri Dax who was introduced in the final season. its not like despite her diminished roles later on Jadzia was easily the fucking secondary/tertiary antagonist of the series early on. (i would say in seasons 1-4 Jadiza Dax is probably the most prominently featured character besides Sisko, Kira and Odo and on the same level as O'Brien and Later bashir) Ive seen you drop DS9 references before Vee, when are we getting "A tale of two dax's" ?

[@Surgemaster2012]

When it comes to the decline to Charmed's quality there's a severe misplace in using Rose McGowan as the reason for this. As her introduction was NOT the reason Charmed got bad. In fact Rose's character Paige became the only likable or rootable character on the show and was the only one focused on what the show's intent was suppose to be. The real reason the show got bad was because of Alyssa Milano and Holly Marie Combs creative control, once Piper and Phoebe were written as perfect characters and became a massive ego project the show's tone changed. Piper and Phoebe themselves became absolutely insufferable versions of themselves. Not only did Piper and Phoebe become less interested in helping others or doing magic, they became horrible people as a result. Phoebe in particular just became Alyssa's window to ego feed a every single one of Phoebe's plots revolved around making her look better in place of someone else, who she was going to date, her search for men and babies and could never be wrong. Even her powers reflected this selfish persona. She also became the overly obsessed workaholic that put her priorities at the expense of everyone around her. As for Piper she became a shrill nagging housewife who was never happy unless she was complaining about something. Not only that but the show actively seemed to constantly go against its main premises, storylines got increasingly more unpolished with its writing, it went from having fantasy elements to fairytales and being Sex and the City. There was even a lack of quality control every season with each susequent season after Season 4 just downgrading in both writing and effects. Even how the actresses began to play their characters were a downgrade.

[@eoincampbell1584]

It's so strange to see HD clips of episode 1 in this video.

[@tobznoobs]

watched it with my grandma back then, probably my supernatural before supernatural, together with buffy. speaking of supernatural, saw your collection, maybe a review after the series finale? i only had women magic/witches shows aside from angel, then supernatural came in college.

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

Had to share this with my wife she got me back into this show

[@Jose-se9pu]

Acording to Kevin Smith, the rumours about Shannon's personality are true, she was a nightmare to work with in Mallrats, and the reason why he choose another actress for the leading role in Dogma.

[@spaniardprince]

Wait what? Big Poppa Pump was on Charmed?

[@p3girlz]

I really agree with you! Thanks for making this video!

[@justmike7994]

11:34 did she just kick forward and ended up kicking the guy behind her??? Wtf.

[@georgehernandez2156]

Shannen was good as prue, and it definitely felt like she was the older sister. I definitely agree that she felt entitled to better stuff. Besides there are sisters that never get along.

[@AnAdorableWombat]

I always thought Piper and Phoebe were so freaking beautiful!!! I even pretended to be Alyssa Milanos character as a kid 🤣🤣🤣

[@karenwapinski4822]

personally i have to agree with Shannon that the show could have been better than it was, speaking as someone who loved it when I started watching it and am critiquing it from a place of love and nostalgia. While it was clear the show didn't have any intention of going as dark as something comparable, like Buffy (sadly) despite the strong acting of the main cast the side characters and villains had VERY cheesy dialogue that almost gave it a 7th Heaven type air? It could have benefitted a lot by really fleshing out or giving more depth to characters or storylines that went nowhere or disappeared after a single episode (for example, John Cho's portrayal of ghost Mark's sweet romance with Piper definitely had the chemistry to be stretched out over several episodes and really make his loss hurt, as well as echo what she was going to feel for Leo later in that season or what happened to Prue and Andy; or the episode where the sisters are facing not just their mother's death by a demon and Prue's water phobia, but her unfaithfulness to their father prior to his leaving could have been carried through multiple episodes to a more powerful climax and given Prue more time to examine another perspective she had of her absentee father and her childhood in light of this revelation; just to name two) As well, for me the show went downhill after she left. despite phoebe ending up queen of the dark basically in the beginning of one season the 7th Heaven cheesy preachy goodness vibe was STRONG after season 5 and while I absolutely loved the arc Piper got (that Holly freaking killed, she was amazing and the best part of the show) and thought Paige was a flat but charming addition to the crew, the later seasons really didn't hold up to some of the chemistry and heart of the first 3 and the last one was basically unwatchable.

[@pheobemoose24]

lmfao the Dawn reference...don’t even get me started on that Mary Sue insert😒

[@OneofInfinity.]

The first three seasons are still the best to me, nothing against Rose.