Vegan Gains vs Fr Joseph Suaidan: Veganism Debate

Appears to be down from the Crucible, copy from VG's stream in case it gets deleted too.

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

When Vegan Gains get realy hungry he will eat his dog. He just doesn't know what hunger is.

[@maroonblue7064]

Haven't watched Vegan Gains livestreams in almost two months. Is there a rumor his channel is getting strikes, hence the posting of this debate.

[@theorthodoxapologeticschan9378]

I hadn't heard that, although I'm hearing a lot of big names are getting strikes? I did this because some of the Crucible debates are moving off KZbin to their channel I think (which is cool, not really sure what value my debates add to it) and I wanted to save my stuff for my channel because I still think they have value for my people here. That said, my views on veganism have modified somewhat (unrelated to the debate)-- see my discussion with Anticarnick in the "Rebuilding the World" series here I did last month.

[@maroonblue7064]

@@theorthodoxapologeticschan9378 Fr. Suaiden, sounds like good plan. Thanks for the update.

[@SouthPadreTony]

Sentience 🤦‍♂️

[@Lozwave]

Vegan gains always dismantles the carnist logic even if it’s religious

[@theorthodoxapologeticschan9378]

I'm not a "carnist," I'm an Orthodox Christian.

[@Doctor-Box]

I can never understand why avoiding exploiting animals is controversial. Even if you only think factory farming is wrong, live your values and avoid it.

[@GarudaLegends]

Nah. Animals are pets or food, Karen.

[@Doctor-Box]

@@GarudaLegends Why is it that the pet and food line seems to shift around depending on where people live? Seems arbitrary and cruel.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@Doctor-Box don't care about your vegan feelings. Meat eaters live longer and animals WILL always be pets an food. Grow up, kid.

[@Doctor-Box]

@@GarudaLegends It is ironic you speak about feelings when all you have is emotional arguments. There's no principles, no deep thoughts. Simply cultural indoctrination and unwillingness to change. You're a child who refuses to grow up and see your error in your ways.

[@theorthodoxapologeticschan9378]

@@Doctor-Box I agree here