Velma Season 2 Still HATES Scooby-Doo

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Max just dropped all of Velma Season 2 in one sitting and against my better judgement I watched all 10 episodes...and it feels like the show STILL hates Scooby-Doo! Thorn from the Hex Girls and Scrappy-Doo are introduced into this iteration with season 2, and they're not that remarkable. Norville, Velma and Fred have more to do in this season, yet it still feels like they're not even close to being the Mystery Inc. gang that we know and love! The show is still boring, it still feels nothing like a Scooby-Doo show and with the discourse being at an all time high, I'm ready for it to be OVER. Here are some scattered thoughts on the new episodes to save you the pain of hate watching!
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[@RoundtableVids]

please no more velma im full thank you

[@brandongaylord1039]

Not seen Velma season 2 don’t plan on it

[@ajmcomixonline8824]

No more Velma please gotta c see how they bring her back

[@mrmysterious8124]

If Scooby-Doo gets introduced into the Velma Halloween special do you think they will make Scooby-Doo a teenager and what if they change Scooby-Doo's voice like they give him the voice of Brian or Klaus🐟

[@rlee7677]

Yea no more Velma? But in Season 2 ep finale Amber explained to dead Velma will be resurrected in Halloween?! Hinted season 3?! This season 1and 2 boring and makes no sense at all?!

[@Rainos62]

this show just seems aweful like they wanted to make edgy scooby doo but didnt understand what made scooby doo great in the first place or what makes great edgy scooby doo content. it crosses lines that it should not. I refuse to watch it because i believe it shouldnt exist. I dont wish unemployment on anyone but this wasnt a good idea in the first place and they never shut the creator up and there is some seriously creepy and disgusting stuff about her too. I refuse to watch this show because its the way im voting for it to be cancelled. this isnt scooby doo its bootleg scooby doo and not even one of the good ones.

[@TheCursed1ne]

The moment scrappy killed velma, everyone united to pay respect to the real hero scrappy

[@lunalollipop2294]

Fax

[@Thatonedrater]

Correct

[@WeebGuru6]

Oh most definitely

[@TheRealShreksswamp]

Scrappy ain’t crappy no more

[@Matt-zu2lu]

Who knew Scrappy would get a redemption arc

[@oliverperez-ex2ue]

Me before: I don't like Scrappy *Scrappy kills "Velma"* Me: ..... I owe Scrappy an apology.

[@Heroes-da-who]

Fr

[@hermesonjunior2105]

We all do. This is a true redemption story.

[@radiogobrrrrrrr1949]

“Perhaps I treated you too harshly”

[@kingmagnus4009]

You know he saved the franchise by bringing up the ratings when it was losing traction, right?

[@WeebGuru6]

Facts

[@mx9226]

So a “talking dog makes the show childish”, yet they bring in Scrappy Doo!?!

[@jadenbryant9283]

and also the show is still very childish so whats the point

[@PkmJZ]

It probably because they don’t have the right to use scooby do

[@kenlee4356]

Just be glad that they didn't use him

[@liltmarshall8717]

​@@jadenbryant9283Fr. It's like a little kid learning bad words and thinking they're cool

[@leonishikino6873]

It's still more mature than any of the baby shows this community talks about

[@peternight2517]

James Gunn Before: “I hate Scrappy doo so much that I will bastardize him so much that NO ONE will ever want to see him again!” James Gunn after seeing Velma: “…...Perhaps I treated scrappy doo too harshly.”

[@wendyadams7093]

Indeed

[@domesticdragonwaffle]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh, you're serious. Gunn is the reason Tim Curry turned down the role BECAUSE of Scrappy. Stop acting like he doesn't absolutely destroy the lore of everything he touches if the originsl creator doesnt stop him. Thats why the only bit of his "writing" that i can tolerate is his Dawn of the Dead that Zack Snyder directed, and only due to the fact that Romero had to tell him off multiple times, just watch the interview of Romeros and you could see he hated Gunn. DC is dead with him at the helm, and I have no intention to watch anything he ever makes or made again.

[@lakelurker08]

@@domesticdragonwaffleaight Snyder bro

[@Nope-en9bo]

​@@domesticdragonwaffle DC fans and their Schizofits are funny

[@jordancrooks6752]

​@@domesticdragonwaffleUh guardians of the galaxy

[@andrewmulert]

Imagine a Studio who hates animation so much that they cancel Infinity Train, write off Coyote VS ACME, but still think an Adult Comedy Scooby Doo staring the internet's most hated actress is a good idea

[@SomeWeirdNinjaToon]

HBO : Hey, remember that show that everyone hated and that spit on the Scooby-doo franchise ? Yeah, make another season of it *[Insert gotye galaxy brain meme]*

[@dragon723.]

Pretty sure they paid for season 2 before season 1 came out. Which makes sense, its scooby doo. Its going to get at least some attention. Must have seemed an easy decision.

[@daylamore3300]

@@dragon723. This! Plus people were hate watching season 1…so not surprised. lol

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

Kaling is not the most hated actress. She is a capable of good voice acting. This show just ruined her reputation.

[@ryanhernandez5632]

They also made final space a tax write off.

[@robertroy92]

I think everyone owes Scrappy Doo an apology.

[@kingofgreed0737]

I never really hated scrappy he wasn’t a great addition but I never hated him but just finding out that he killed Mindy(I won’t call any of them the mystery gang because they are nothing like them) I like scrappy a lot more

[@robertroy92]

@@kingofgreed0737 me too i like scrappy doo i hope scrappy doo makes a retrun as main charater one day

[@SunnLikesStuff]

Never really hated him, he was okay, and I already apologised during the first season, but yea, I agree. I'm sorry, Scrappy Doo, you weren't that annoying, you weren't Velma. I feel like people hated you so much because of how good all the other characters were in comparison. I rather the annoying, overly brave, inexperienced kid trope than... 'Velma'

[@callmejacob3234]

He was a hero we just didn't see it

[@jamesmakinghazbinhotelfanart]

I was the only scrappy doo fan I guess 🤷 😪 😅

[@tuopi27]

the fact that they had the opportunity to make an adult scooby doo show, and DIDNT make a mystery inc sequel is such a crime

[@E7XEE]

I think it also takes place in Crystal Cove so they had to crush that too because of course they did

[@saturnking-il4fp]

​@@E7XEE man Crystal Cove is ruined now bruh💀

[@unityedits3722]

I wish this show was in Coolsville tbh, because WHYYYYYYY WOULD YOU MENTION CRYSTAL COVE AND THEN NOT ENGAGE WITH MYSTERY INC LORE??

[@oceancoral557]

Exactly! Maybe it didn't even have to include the old gang, it could be a new one since in mystery inc. its literally canon that throughout time there have been different gangs solving mysteries.

[@unityedits3722]

@@oceancoral557 I never thought too much about it, but if they're really trying to do Scooby-Doo without actually doing Scooby-Doo, that would be a very interesting route. They already established a pretty interesting multiverse before the concept was overdone, and it's worth exploring

[@fablethewolf825]

In media outside the cartoons, Scrappy is shown to be either unhinged or very unhappy. In a Cartoon Network bumper (back when they did those), he was upset that their newer batch of cartoons such as the Powerpuff Girls and Johnny Bravo were getting better treatment them him, the movies straight up make him a villain and Mystery Inc. hinted that he had done something to warrant being disowned by the gang, but never elaborated. This is _not_ the first piece of media to portray Scrappy-Doo as a "villain", and he's still regarded as a hero because that's how terrible the protagonist is.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Tbh I wish they would just give him a redemption arc while still acknowledging his flaws

[@TheTigerwolf55]

@@cosmicspacething3474 I'd like a version that ignores the public perception and history and does what no one has apparently had the courage to do: make him likeable. Actually make him a piece of whatever version of Scooby Doo would be daring enough to try to do it something that the audience could say "hey, I wouldn't mind seeing more of him!" Yes it would be a challenge considering the now-long, long history of people immediately saying "ew, Scrappy!" just as a gut reaction to his presence, but Scrappy as the villain or rejected is just kind of boring at this point.

[@fablethewolf825]

@@cosmicspacething3474 Honestly, I never minded him in the original show. He was just a headstrong kid who thought his uncle was some brave hero, which is actually rather cute. It's the execution that was wrong, not Scrappy himself.

[@pastelnut027]

@@fablethewolf825 I agree! Honestly Scrappy was my favourite back when I was a kid, I remember being really upset when they made him the villain of the live action movie

[@FinestFantasyVI]

​@@fablethewolf825 im glad im not the only one who felt that way. Scrappy was young and brave. He wanted to beat up bad guys with puppy power. And i think when Scoob and Shaggy dont grab him and run away, he actually does it?

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

Sweet Arceus why did they have to add a Hex girl to this abomination

[@-SpiderNoir-]

Finally somebody who says Arceus too !!

[@joshlauch932]

That’s not a Hex Girl it’s a “Meth Girl” 😂😂😂

[@voiceunderthecovers]

Oh no, how horrible..

[@collinkeyser6827]

I Mean They've Already Bastardized Scooby-Doo, Captain Caveman & Inch High Private Eye So They Must Have Went "Why Not"

[@collinkeyser6827]

​@@joshlauch932"I'm A Meth Girl. And I'm Gonna Give You Some Crack"

[@lizardBoi]

Scrappy was a hero. i just couln't see it

[@Attmay]

He was already a hero to H - B in the 80s because he bought the show another decade until Ted Turner bought the company and the people who started Cartoon Network started the smear campaign against him. Showing the first 10 years of this franchise without him only proved why they brought him into begin with: it aged poorly even compared to earlier H-B TV cartoons and certainly to their work at M-G-M.

[@nathanielhernandez3584]

Velma is dead you say? Pulls out proton pack and ghost trap

[@IamJerf]

Get the Bible too!

[@indescribablycoolikeafurniture]

*ghostbusters vs mythbusters by epic rap battles of history plays in the background*

[@DeliveryTruck...]

I feel like that'd be unfair to the ghosts nobody wants to be around see or even have knowledge of velma in this version of scooby doo (without scooby)

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

We need the chest of demons from 13 ghosts of scooby doo.

[@marhawkman303]

@@bearerofbadnews1375 "I ain't afraid of no ghosts!"

[@MRBACKBLOWER_74]

Scrappy is the only good character in Velma for killing velma

[@saturnking-il4fp]

And this gentelmens is how Scrappy legacy was saved

[@Wompwomp2747]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Attmay]

He's the only reason they didn't cancel the show back in 1979 like they should have. That and SNL should have had the plugs pulled before Ronald Reagan took office.

[@thejurassicking3817]

Scrappy kills Velma: Perhaps I treated you too harshly.

[@michellejackson9763]

It still hates Scooby, and yet they decided to bring back Scrappy.

[@Nataninko]

As much as I hate Scrappy he still made the best move at the finale killing off Velma, too bad it wasn't sooner though

[@AlienBemular]

And they gave him real dog nipples.

[@thunderrrre]

They're literally acknowledging the legacy characters of scooby-doo more than most of the regular new content does lol. At least Velma confirms it's not meant to be taken seriously and doesn't take itself seriously. Unlike Return to Zombie Island where they tried to promote that as a legacy sequel, but ended up making the worst piece of scooby content ever made.

[@ajmcomixonline8824]

Who said it hates Scooby just because it changes the Formula doesn't mean the people making hate it they just wanted to try a new take on a old classic dies it always work no but the show isn't a middle finger to Scooby doo its just trying make its own version stand out from the rest

[@ajmcomixonline8824]

@@thunderrrre oh my God thank you some one gets that this is a parody mashup of Scooby-Doo and rivervale. Of course the characters are gonna feel off. They're meant to a parody takes a character and ranks up there worse traits up to 10+ as a dang joke. Look the show isn't a great Scooby Doo show but it's an ok parody of Scooby Doo. Also it's kinda nice seeing the characters grew a little bit over the last 2 seasons. They've written a story an that story should get a chance to reach it's planned ending

[@Bella_Kilori]

Velma should've got canceled.

[@ajward9112]

Believe it or not, this is the best thing WB could do. For one, it continues to damage their brand, which means unless they actually step up, they either go bankrupt or continue to suffer a negative reputation. Second, if Velma had gotten cancelled, Mindy Kailing (I think I spelled her last name right) would have received a lot of money for it, so the fact she didn't make off like a bandit and her credibility is on display for the world to see is two wins for the world.

[@brianmurphy250]

I really think that this isn’t really a season 2….its just the 2nd half of the initial batch of season 1. Most animation houses require a minimum order of episodes. They aren’t going to do 6-8 episodes..they have to do say 20 and the streamer will cut them into very short seasons. Netflix did this within the awful She Ra series

[@monsterhanna6691]

Oh, trust me, she is. Just not in the way we'd hoped. 😂

[@Bezaliel13]

Don't jink it, you fool! But seriously, I think this is it.

[@timati3532]

I'm pretty sure they were contractually obligated to do season 2 before season 1 even came out.

[@rizzman2]

I don't wish the animators to lose their jobs. Just Mindy Kailing.

[@chrimsonphantom]

I actually loved a lot of their animations. Like Give the animators a chance to make a supernatural show, their designs for the ghost of Fred's mom and Velma's hallucinations were actually pretty good.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Yeah the expressions are in point despite everything else

[@saturnking-il4fp]

Nah that gonna happen Velma ruined them 🫥

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

Buddy, you do know she voices Disgust in Inside Out right? She was pretty good in that role. She hasn't done as bad as Ezra Miller do deserve losing her job.

[@Attmay]

She's playing the same part here and it managed to work because it actually gave it some there there that it has been woefully lacking for the last 55 years.

[@Supasmartguy]

I had guessed that Velma season 2 would either be marginally better than season 1 because of the backlash, or that the studio would order the showrunners to make season 2 intentionally even worse than season 1 to increase hate watching.

[@Ermakshually]

Which was right

[@ajmcomixonline8824]

They dud make it better

[@SilverScribe85]

@@ajmcomixonline8824 I wouldn't call this better...look what they did to the Hex Girls

[@ajmcomixonline8824]

@@SilverScribe85 they changed just one of the hex girls and they did it in away that makes sense The original Thorn would be in like her 40s by now and I'm pretty some that's what a 40 goth hippie would look like in the real world, pulse it's not like she's ugly she just looks old. Which she would be by now especially after having a kid and be honest probably using who knows what kinda drugs for the last couple of decades

[@sr.palit0]

​@@ajmcomixonline8824 It's not better, just a little less shit and disgusting and insulting, just a little.

[@dspace4514]

Them releasing all 10 episodes at once implies that they know what we think of this and decided to just get it over with.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

At least they did something smart.

[@Attmay]

If this is the end of the show, then the entire franchise goes with it.

[@Supasmartguy]

Zombie Island will forever be the best entry of the Scooby-Doo franchise.

[@monsterking1973]

Agreed

[@RJS2003]

*_YOU HEAR THE SCREECHING OF AN OWL._* *_YOU HEAR THE WIND BEGINS TO HOWL._*

[@autumbreeze1129]

You know there's zombies on the prowl

[@arielruh7773]

Cause its terror Time again they got you running through the night

[@gunstrokethecybertronian8659]

@@autumbreeze1129 And it's Terror Time again!!

[@alejandroangel998]

Scrappy automatically was uncanceled when he killed Velma

[@Attmay]

But he killed the Indian one. That's a hate crime. And people are actually rooting for violence against women of color. Just for that, I rooted for Cujo.

[@kevinskywalker5539]

​@@Attmay, that isn't Velma. That is a self insert Mindy khaling who ruined Scooby-Doo franchise.

[@tonythong5352]

​@kevinskywalker5539 he's just ragebaiting, smile and wave, boys. Smile and wave.

[@tmacm2237]

I actually thought Mr. S would have his brain put into a dog's body and become Scoobi Doo.

[@Attmay]

If there wasn't already a Brian Griffin origin story, I would root for Seth MacFarlane to steal that.

[@wiseguy240Winston]

Velma getting killed at the end seems to imply symbolically that they killed their series. If so, then the ending is the best part of this whole series. 😂

[@chrimsonphantom]

Honestly it was worth it to see scrappy redeemed at the end, he received so much hate. Yet in truth he saved us all by killing fake Velma, and letting her soul get dragged to the unknown. Thus truly ending the series as anything else would be non-cannon.

[@Attmay]

Indian Velma is Velma. This was her true self all along, and it is only now that you root for violence against her. You are literally celebrating violence against women of color. Do you realize what you are doing?

[@DavidKennedy0391]

The whole Scrappy being an abused lab animal turned killer arc. It was actually already used in the Scooby Apocalypse comic series. So Velma couldn’t even come up with an entirely new origin for Scrappy either.

[@Attmay]

A metaphor for the abuse the character has received since Ted Turner bought H - B and Cartoon Network led a smear campaign against him for saving a show that was running out of ideas when Nixon was still president.

[@BloodRose1800]

If I had a nickel for every time Scrappy-Doo was a villain, I have two Nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?

[@lucifersdevilishdetails.]

No as the writers of this when um we need a joke and just found that people found that scrappy was the villain funny and ran with it. So no I won’t say it was weird as it wasn’t a coincidence. Now if you could invent a Velma show away-inator. That be great that I’ll give you the keg to the Tri-state Areaaaaa.

[@BloodRose1800]

Sorry @@lucifersdevilishdetails. , But I'm not building that for whatever a keg is.

[@Big_Brotaku]

Whatchu talkin bout? Scrappy is a hero.

[@Attmay]

Do that and the entire franchises going with it.

[@Attmay]

Now that you mentioned Gary Coleman's catchphrase, I wouldn't mind if this happened to Sam McKinney.

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Eh give Scrappy another chance as a good guy already….

[@cosmicspacething3474]

I say give him a redemption arc

[@awesomeocelot7475]

@@cosmicspacething3474 yeah or a just a new version of him in a new Scooby doo series. Like he could be really endearing again with how he looks up to his Uncle Scooby.

[@arthurcosta1657]

​@@cosmicspacething3474true

[@ladypool1404]

Warner bros: '' We want to make more Superman and Looney tunes movies! '' Also Warners: Cancelled Coyote vs Acme despite being finished AND having only positives reviews, gives a season 2 to Velma. Me; Yeah that makes sense! It's not disrespectful at all to all the Looney tunes and the Scooby-doo fans 🙄😒

[@xcellentcreations3312]

Well...at least S2 of My adventures with superman is coming, so at least they're keeping that!

[@bitteryetcivilized257]

Warner Bros. is trash.

[@Attmay]

Anyone who hates *Velma* but makes excuses for Barfbie is what's wrong with the world today.

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@Attmay Barbie is not barf shut up !!!

[@Taios87entertainment]

Scary scooby: this being my most flawed world, yet. Velma: flawed? But we’re meta now! Scary scooby: ugh… never the matter. I’ll get it right. Next time.

[@Thechannelthatexistsforcontent]

Ok so imagine this, I wake up and go on to max to watch Batman The animated series and what do I find, Velma season 2, WITH NO FUCKING TRILLER

[@GamerBoy870]

I own the Blu-ray of Batman the animated series

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

The ratings for Velma got so bad that Mindy kaling knew that she wouldn’t be bother posting anything to promote it, which saids something😅😂.

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

This is a streaming show. Rating aren't a measurement here. How much time people took to watch it when it came out is where it counts.

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

@@manuelalbertoromero9528 Correction, ratings aren’t measurement in certain shows if the executives gives a damn but for bs like this it’s about screwing with the audience Eve if a bad showed gets renewed for another season after the 1st season came out.

[@jbjmadden]

its sad when the supposed lead of the show being killed off by a previously disliked character is the best part of the show.

[@Attmay]

What is sadder is that it took an act of violence against a woman of color to make them see that he was not the problem with this show then or now: the main characters were. The best thing about this show is that it made me appreciate *Wait Till Your Father Gets Home* all the more.

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Kevin, Velma was never even renewed it was all ordered as one season then split into 2 “seasons” later like they unfortunately do with so many streaming shows….(or just shows in general too)

[@autumbreeze1129]

By making Scrappy the killer, they unintentionally made him the hero

[@Attmay]

By rooting for violence against women of color, you confirm that all hatred of this show is rooted in racism and misogyny, and this justifies literally everything Velma said and did in it. Indian Velma is Velma. She finally became her true self and you destroyed her for it. Accountability will be collective and global.

[@RowdyBunnz]

Thorn's daughter lookin' like those stereotypical "goth kid" on tiktok that havin' yee yee aah hair

[@MrAuthor3DS]

I've never even seen a shave job that leaves the sideburns and nape like this before...

[@lizabee7791]

Remember when Max canceled and erased a bunch of good animated shows like Infinity Train? I hope they’re regretting that decision now

[@jp3animations]

The animators were held at gunpoint fr

[@Attmay]

God bless the second amendment, and God bless Ricky Schroder.

[@bravewater5737]

Scrappy went from old villain to hero!

[@Attmay]

When was he ever a villain? Just because a bunch of loudmouths disliked him for whatever reason did not make him a villain. That was boomer and boomer-enabler propaganda to gaslight you into thinking the OG characters were interesting in any way, shape, or form. If they were, then Scrappy never would have been invented.

[@bravewater5737]

@@Attmay I was referring to an old Scooby Doo movie.

[@garrettviewegh9028]

Finally, after killing this Velma, Scrappy redeemed himself. Also, it’s not hate that kills a show, game, movie, etc. It’s apathy. When you no longer care to get passionately angry, you know your IP is dead. Well, this version of Scooby-Doo is.

[@alexandruologeanu298]

Hei asta nu-i un motiv să zici că sa Redeem. Serialul nu o fii cum vreții voi dar e un serial profund, îmi place Velma. În serialul asta chiar arată frumoasă și îmi place relația dintre ea și Daphne. Dar cu sa întâmplat la finalul ultimului episod, trebuie să continue pentru un al treilea sezon, altfel ar rămâne neterminat ca Infinity Train și Final Space. Așa că vă rog nu o mai vorbiți de rău pe Velma, o iubesc pe ea❤. .

[@Attmay]

No, it isn't dead. The entire franchise is finally dead and this is the Irish wake it deserved.

[@zabes1081]

One of the reasons people hate torn's desing is that they cancel a hex girls spin off and instead they gave of that

[@mr.goblin6039]

Scrappy was never bad. People were just mean. In any case, anyone who hated Scrappy: I hope him killed this awful version of Velma has redeemed him in your eyes.

[@GenerationWest]

What is somewhat disappointing, is that Jennifer Hale voices Thorn again in this, which makes her more of a constant than Frank Welker as Fred Jones (Does help that she has like 4 major appearances)

[@warwulf1889]

At least Norville's hallucinations make sense. It's genuine PTSD vs brainwashing.

[@WeaponsRemorse]

FINAL SPACE AND INFINITY TRAIN DIED FOR THIS!!?? AND PANTHEON

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

I never thought I would say this, but I’m glad scrappy doo came back. Killing Velma is a win for me.

[@Attmay]

You hated him until he tried to maul a woman of color to death. What is wrong with you?

[@cottoncandyswirl8289]

They killed Velma! Praise the Lord! At least the show got SOMETHING right!

[@Mimikyu_Lov3r]

[Sung in the tune of the “Everybody hates Chris” opening] “Everybody haaaaaates ‘Velma’!”

[@somebodykares1]

They could use like the actually characters heritage as well. Norville has been very much shown to have allot of British heritage, Norville is also very rich as well seeing allot of his family has owned castles or were important figures in their towns a long time ago, in "Sword and the Scoob" we find out that Shaggy has a connection back to Camelot, Shaggy could come for a laid back rich family that maybe could be falling on hard times since his family legacy is just that a legacy nothing new has really happened for years. Daphne's family is like global but in "Scooby and the Loch Ness Monster" we learn that the Blakes are a Scottish clan so Daphne can have a Scottish heritage, can make her whole thing being the clumsy Scottish warrior who is working towards proving she can improve herself to not have to always be saved by someone else.. Velma would be a tougher one with her heritage, seeing her character has changed around allot, she had a Jewish actress once, but also in "Frankenweird" we learn Velma's heritage is somewhere in Germany, they could make a very in-depth Adult origin with Velma being a German-Jewish grandchild of some Holocaust survivors that moved to America. Fred, he is still Fred best can really do is just make him like an all-American heritage or something. Make him kinda the act first questions later type of guy. As for Scooby the his linage seems to run alongside Shaggy's so can either just parallel with Shaggy or give a new origin like how most have him adopted by Shaggy now a days.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

It is funny, actually - this Fred is kinda closer to a Shaggy (rich family, lovable dimwit, easily believes in ghosts and monsters), while this Norville is more like a Velma (at least in being the brainy nerd of the bunch).

[@Matt-zu2lu]

I’m glad to see that Scrappy Doo finally got his redemption arc in the form of killing off Mindy Kaling version of Velma

[@Attmay]

That's not a redemption arc, that's a hate crime. It just happened to be a very well animated hate crime with some very funny dialogue. Anybody who says "this is the last Saturday morning you'll ever ruin. Eat chocolate!" isn't funny needs to be legally forbidden from consuming any media whatsoever.

[@spyroja123thedragongamer]

I don't know if people will find this weird but Scrappy Doo actually became my favorite character/villain in Velma because he was able to do the one thing that many villains in cartoon shows couldn't do and that's killing the main protagonist. And of course the main protagonist in this show is Velma, the one character that everyone hates to this day and when Scrappy Doo killed Velma, he was able to redeem himself to everyone.

[@estebangutierrez160]

He is now my favorite character from Velma.

[@Attmay]

They brought the character in at the end of the 70s because the main characters were so poorly written to begin with.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

It’s especially sad because there are a few pretty good ideas mixed in with all the meaningless crap

[@Jack-sy8mr]

Come on MAX, don’t screw us on the shows that are actually good. I need _My Adventures With Superman, Fiona And Cake_ And can we go five minutes without _Young Justice_ getting cancelled😭

[@JamesJimmaHarding]

Can't animation just go back to the days of Gargoyles and BTAS-JLU era DCAU, where we can have mature and well-written shows that aren't just sitcoms filled with sex, violence, language, racism, problematic characters etc. for the sake of shock value??

[@Attmay]

Not far enough. How far back in time do we have to go to keep Diane Disney Miller from ever reading a word of that terrible book by that Australian woman named Helen who hated the color red and to convince uncle Walt that maybe he should be smoking something that isn't tobacco for a change? ;-)

[@devinsauls9137]

Velma season 2 came on the same day as Knuckles?! 😱 Also speaking of Knuckles, am I listening to Pumpkin Hill (Instrumental version) from Sonic Adventure 2 along with Windmill Isle Night from Sonic Unleashed?! 👂🏿

[@christopherkenneally6015]

They disrespected Thorn's character massively

[@sg9099]

They even got the original voice actress

[@christopherkenneally6015]

@@sg9099 I don't understand this. Didn't one of Fred's VA voice Fred's dad in Velma also? Why would they be ok with being a part of this show

[@palmermoynihan2628]

How?

[@sg9099]

@@christopherkenneally6015 in Mr Krabs voice: MONEY

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

@@christopherkenneally6015My personal theory is that Frank Welker agreed to be on the show before he knew what it was like, never suspecting how bad it would be.

[@reverseshin]

Warner bros Discovery: cancels coyote vs acme Also Warner bros Discovery: Greenlights Season 2 of Velma

[@darkron288]

I find it intersting velma had scrappy doo be the bad person because it thought it would be more loved, more evidence that hate watching didn't give velma a season 2 and this is just season 1 part 2

[@FoggyMemoryProductions]

I respect your honesty about making a video on Velma because money. And also people got upset with you because you wanted to keep the facts straight, even if the facts were about a shitty show most people hate. That's dumb.

[@Spursyfan2201]

Why does it look like thorn is wearing a Batman symbol necklace

[@Sniperifle93]

Scrappy-Doo is a freaking HERO!

[@sakaki_chrono]

Slight correction: I think we should be allowed to wish that the head of WBD loses their job and goes on to being in a position where they can't run a company into the ground.

[@Attmay]

Hate David Zaslav for anything but this.

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

Oh hey look another Scrappy do is the worst thing we've ever done joke that sure has'nt been done to death, and how desperate it feels this time. It's like the staff is going "Velma ain't bad it's better than Scrappy, right, right" however it just shows how tone deaf Warner Bros is these days. Alot of people have started turning around on Scrappy especially when we keep getting crap like this that's so much worse, it just reminds you that Scrappy was never the problem it was the execs in charge who went too far with it. It's making me just want to see him back with the gang more and more, there's ALOT you can still do with him without him stealing the spotlight or even changing his charachter too much. It'll sure be better than whatever the hell this show is.

[@thema1998]

I hope the disaster that is Velma doesn't kill off the idea of an adult animated Scooby-Doo project that actually *respects* its source material! There's so much untapped potential. 🤓

[@burntbr3b]

they finally did scrappy some justice

[@iannations2543]

People say that Scrappy killing Velma is a good thing, a sign that this show is gonna meet such a fitting fate, but just you wait. i bet they're already planning a Revival of Velma for a season 3! the _True_ season 2!

[@DKTH77]

I found a pilot on KZbin called Mystery Incorporate (not Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated cause thats the cartoon you mentioned) , its a hour long live action and does SO MUCH BETTER at being a Scooby Doo riverdale parody cause it FEELS like adult Scooby-Doo even if Scooby himself is just a normal dog who doesnt talk

[@estebangutierrez160]

I've watched it already. And it's SSSsoooooooooooo good!

[@madisonyomans9004]

My problem with reboots lately is that they feel like a completely different story for a different TV show. They just slap the name of a classic childhood cartoon on it, market it off to an adult audience, and expect us to be fine with it. It's like they took the joy out of it and the characters aren't the same as the ones I grew up with. There are ways the show could have been written better. In fact, there's fanfiction out there that takes the concept of making a classic TV show dark, and it's much better than whatever this is.

[@the-nina-beans88]

This is when the show could have been about…. A Scooby doo fan named Velma and trying to be like the character. She seeks out people who share the same names as the Scooby doo gang ( Norvil of this series would be the best example of a character not wanting to be associated with the character Shaggy but Velma ignores it) And while she thinks she trying to solve a mystery in reality the kids who are fated with the SD character names play along but all know it due to Velma’s dad having to put his daughter on a medication to keep her from hallucinating while suffering from split personality disorder that has her think she’s the Scooby doo Velma while the Velma of the Series is coping with her parents divorce, her dad’s new girlfriend and learning her bio mom isn’t the woman she imagined she be.

[@christophergarrett7082]

So you mean to tell me that we couldn't get a final season for young justice but we got a second season of velma.

[@Someguyfromtheinternet36]

Shaggy is a dang baller who gets all the women yet always perfers snacks over them. He is such a hilarious character that makes me laugh at least once no matter the series.."Norville" over here is a insult to my boi.

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

Everyone to Scrappy: Perhaps we treated you too harshly

[@tfordham13]

Thorn looks like my drug addicted ant

[@TheDerek14]

If this series ends up getting a season 3, alot of people are going to get fucking mad. With various series like Close Enough, Infinity train, Final Space, and Venture Bros not getting continuations, it's an insult that this series would even exist, let alone get another season. It's like the TTG situation with Cartoon Network. The show is disrespectful for the og series. However, it still has some positives. This show however, is a dumbster fire of shit with zero redeeming qualities.

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

Get one how exactly? Buddy, if you haven't noticed, the discussion around this show came and went the day it came out. It's not being talked about as much right now, and there was little promotion for it.

[@Attmay]

I would not even know it existed without the racist misogynistic hate campaign against it along with the ytsplaining m@nsplaining denials of the racism and misogyny against it.

[@josephsigala6631]

So last season used scooby for name of a operation At first it was dumb But then season 2 says Hold my beer by introducing a super Soldier monster version of Scrappy

[@estebangutierrez160]

And apparently Scrappy's name is a portmanteau for, "Shitty" and "Crappy".

[@user-jh4lx4mi3c]

0:09 Oh I wish we'd gotten more of Fionna and Cake Season 2 instead of Velma Season2

[@JorgeCruz-eo7js]

0:01 Scrappy Dappy Die!!!

[@user-jh4lx4mi3c]

Mystery Incorporated will always be the Better of Scooby-Doo Shows same with What's New Scooby-Doo from my childhood

[@Gn01717]

Og Velma:Everybody likes that Fake Velma:Kill this damned Abomination

[@Terastas]

The biggest question of Velma always has been, and always should be, "Why the fuck did you need the Scooby IP for this?!" If they were going to make this many changes to the source material, why bother even having the source material at all? Why not just make it its own thing which, while clearly taking inspiration from the H.B. teen gang mystery solvers formula, is still its own original I.P.? Answer: Because the parent company had zero faith in this shit whatsoever. They KNEW we wouldn't buy into it on its own merits (because, well, it doesn't have any), so they slapped the Scooby label onto it to exploit the existing fandom.

[@yesikanarvaez5027]

What have they done?!

[@researcherchameleon4602]

They redeemed Scrappy

[@therealgmhere5988]

​@@researcherchameleon4602 "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

[@juggaloclownpreacher]

There's a comic book that's called scooby doo apocalypse that is now much better as a series of books because this shows failure.

[@SirAsdf]

The fact that this has gotten literally 0 press compared to last season makes me hope that everyone learned their lesson and didn't give this crap the time of day.

[@toon4thought]

I still think there was a decent enough foundation for an alternate take on the Scooby mythos within this, like as I'm watching it I definitely see what it's trying to do - it just needed a MUCH better central direction. That said, it's like not even close to one of the worst things ever. I can think of so many other adult cartoons that both tried less and accomplished less than this one. Sometimes a fumble is just a fumble, nothing more. And it sure as hell isn't worth declaring *war* on anyone who dares to say *anything* that isn't the most scathing coverage you could conjure, even if it's straight up untrue, let alone the honest hardworking artists who outright enjoyed their time on it. Thanks for calling out some of the worst of this.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

I appreciate this take, Honestly, I am still wrapping my head around all the Hate the Show got, Like i knew Scooby-Doo was a recognizable and beloved IP, but didn’t think it was to this extent.

[@alexandruulesan7009]

I'd really love an animated adaptation of the Scooby-Doo Apocalypse comic book

[@Attmay]

I would like to see this entire franchise come to a close permanently if this is how the only good version of it is going to be treated.

[@ShadyRK9]

@0:21 🎶 "Everyone HATES Velma!"🎶 (Yeah!)

[@RastaGamesful]

This show is still killing the Scooby-Doo universe itself by using the names and titles of the characters. This series is not worthy of existing and ruining what the original shows, cartoons and movies were given to people. Definitely not worth watching even for fun.

[@Attmay]

They were already ruined before this. The OG was terrible, and this was the only way to make it even remotely tolerable: by making it the show the good times fleaboot is trying to be but failing at. Go hate on that some more because it deserves it. That was an IP that had there there. That was a landmark black family sitcom that they turned into a travesty. And what's worse, they are ripping off the original series creator still! Compared to that, *Velma* looks like *The Mary Tyler Moore Show.*

[@leprechaunfarmer4081]

I think Warner Bros has gotten sick of milking the Scooby-Doo franchise for the past two decades, so they’re actually making Velma bad on purpose so people will get sick of the brand and they’ll be off the hook

[@user-jh4lx4mi3c]

6:53 A Scrappy-Doo that swears? Yeah that's NOT That Great

[@user-sk3ir1gh4j]

Scrappy the hero we didn’t ask for but we needed

[@williamfrank962]

Scrappy killing Velma is the ultimate redemption arc for previously despised character.

[@KarazolaX]

Turning scrappy doo into the villain was done 20 years ago by James Gunn. The fact they thought it was clever at this point is really showing how far behind they are.

[@user-jh4lx4mi3c]

6:36 seems like there ripping off the plot of the Scooby-Doo (2002) live action movie where Scrappy-Doo became the villain and it was better explained in the movie so there they took elements from the live action Scooby-Doo movie and made it WORSE

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

No it was just as bad in the movie and this stupid joke needs to die already, at this point we are literally decades removed from when he first debuted. I want new writers to bring him back and actually do something with him again that builds off of what his orignal charachter traits are.

[@thanasimaragoudakis3104]

Way to take my childhood crush in Thorn and turn her to a meth head.

[@lucienhalf7105]

And what's worst they got her VA to reprise the role 😔

[@davidtrainor9569]

I lost all hope in for this show in season 1 when they the highschool girls distracted a mob by being 'sexy'. They're basically children, it was just gross.

[@TheLegendaryBillCipher]

Someone needs to be in jail for what they did to the Hex Girls, especially since WB _cancelled_ an actual Scooby-Doo project that had them, but let this through.

[@SoulOfJustice1994]

Velma is basically bad self-insert fanfiction that somehow got greenlit to be animated. I can't believe Season 2 wasn't cancelled. Then again, like you said, the animators and the voice actors worked hard on it. They were just given horrible things to work with.

[@Attmay]

Yeah, the original franchise was terrible and they found a way to make it good.

[@luigiboi4244]

Thank you James Gunn. Thanks to you, Scrappy Doo’s reputation was assassinated so terribly that he murdered the antithesis of Velma.

[@sneakpeek926]

Scrappy Cornelius Doo is the hero the Scooby-Doo franchise deserves, but not the one it needs right now. He either dies a villain, or lives long enough to see himself become the hero.

[@PsychoJXS1]

That's the problem with people, people always thinks remakes and reboots is supposed to be the same as the originals. I've watched Velma and there was nothing wrong with it. I keep telling people that the multiverse exist, meaning there are endless different versions of the Scooby-Doo gang, they're not always the same. There was a kid's version of the Scooby-Doo gang, then the teen version of the Scooby-Doo gang, the original of the Scooby gang, and now there's the mature version of the Scooby-Doo gang. 409 that could have been a baby version of the Scooby-Doo gang or an Retro version of them. My main point is: different Earth, different Scooby-Doo characters, different plot, and a new season. Don't judge just from one episode or 10 minutes of it.

[@yaelg17]

justo for info: velma had 2 seasons bc when they signed the contract for the series it was for 20 episodes, so they decided to do 2 seasons with 10 episodes each, that is why from the beginning it didn't matter if the show was good or shit, the second season was already done

[@Attmay]

They always push the reboot button after two or three seasons anyway, that's how feeble the premise of this entire franchise is.