VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 77

[@JPFeenstra]

I'd be interested to see an episode where each Crew member showcases their absolute favorite VFX shot and explains why it's their favorite.

[@AuthenticAfricanAdventures]

Yes please!

[@creepyville]

I third that!!

[@palaxa]

+1! Great idea.

[@victorpinheiro8395]

YESSSSS

[@jah211084]

That’s a great idea!

[@trigonometrisk]

I love how Joe looks quickly at the King Kong shot and is all like ”Yep, that was months upon months of hard work”. Even if we make fun of the jankiness of some aspects of it, that’s a considerable amount of effort and skill that went into it.

[@heehee6514]

Totally agree

[@Dargonhuman]

That was one of those shots that, when I was watching it, I really wanted to be impressed by and appreciate as a whole, but the jank parts were just too noticeable for me to get to that point. I had to mentally break it down and appreciate the parts that were good - the animal and environmental renders - and try to ignore the bad - the live action comped parts.

[@yappygm7433]

"Nobody starts out with the goal of making bad visual effects." We need more Joe on this channel!

[@scarletspidernz]

idk there's some you tube channels that probably live for, love and do bad vfx for comedy reasons

[@brennanmoran1739]

@@scarletspidernz if it made you laugh, and that was the point of the vfx, then they were good vfx lol

[@wy4553]

Corridor definitely took in our feedback and started having guests react to bad CGI too. They were amazing at explaining and critiquing something in a respectful and informative way.

[@KaladinVegapunk]

I just miss them ripping on the bad stuff they've had to get too diplomatic to not alienate potential guests. They missed the worst part about the Rhino scene in Spiderman 2..it was a trailer scene, ending right as Spidey swings, implying go see the movie to find out!..and yet it's the final scene, ending the same point the trailer did. That's suuuper greasy and manipulative haha, even if the rest of the movie is still a dumpster fire, it had like Zack Snyder DC levels of bad writing villains and plot

[@LTProductions335]

​@KaladinVegapunk ok they are here to talk about CGI they aren't here to talk about writing and the bad things the script does.

[@rkeithh5]

I worked on that stampede sequence as an animator on Kong, and it was the least effective sequence in the film for all the reasons that they pointed out. First, it went on way too long, but also, as they said, plates were shot in daylight, and shadows of dinosaurs had to be cheated over them, which never looks right. Pretty much everything else, though, was nearly flawless, especially Kong himself, and the New York City stuff.

[@stefanandrews5098]

As they commented though - beyond the comp issues with shadows, the actual work on the creatures and environments, basically everything that wasn’t that specific problem, was excellent. It holds up very very well in all those other regards

[@Dargonhuman]

Honestly. if the worst thing about a shot is some of the plates didn't match quite right, then you still did an incredible job with the shot. I can't imagine the stress of working under that kind of time constraint and with those limitations had to have been like, so even though the sequence as a whole isn't perfect, you clearly did your best within the restrictions you had to work with.

[@storyscholar]

Also let's remember this was 2005. At the time, my mind would have just been blown I think.

[@Illusionaire1]

@@stefanandrews5098 Peter Jackson had a very, very, veeery detailed series of vlogs (well, the early 2000s kind) where he showed all aspects of the making of the film, it's pretty interesting how they used everything in this scene. Like the leaves and debris are real and filmed on a green screen, branches and twigs as well.

[@nateavery2875]

The Kong footage was awsome.

[@fullmetalval6380]

1:05 Wren saying "it's been a few years" threw me for a loop. I didn't realize it's been 3 years since this whole series started.

[@crimson414]

Wait the series started 3 years ago? I thought it started quite a long ago

[@fullmetalval6380]

@@crimson414 Yup, 3 years. The first one (the Sonic episode) says 2019

[@manavudgirkar3345]

I started watching corridor ever since they started this series

[@scarletspidernz]

@@fullmetalval6380 Thanks Ugly Sonic for starting something great and I'm also Happy Ugly Sonic ended up with a great gig with the FBI (see Chip and Dale movie)

[@teozhiwei]

The practical and visual effect of 'Everything, Everywhere, All at once' is really good. It also has lots of fantastic action scenes!!

[@godzelda123]

That movie deserves it's own video

[@djsejwal2]

Brother check that rrr movie. Blew my mind like this one.

[@alexman378]

Fun fact, the VFX team for that film learned VFX from KZbin videos specifically for that movie

[@MichaelHickman3D]

@@alexman378 that’s what makes it so cool, independent studio who have beautiful story telling with simple tricks. Goes to show how good story telling can make everything feel so powerful.

[@momosworkshop]

Yes, it truly deserves a whole video dedicated to it! I'd love if they could get the creators on the couch

[@VoxFelis]

I love that he reiterates that it's never the artist's fault. It's the time they are given.

[@bigfudge3223]

i wouldn’t say never

[@ahabduennschitz7670]

Yeah yeah, its always someone elses fault when someone is just bad in what he does.

[@lonelylama5222]

But it's true, it's usually not the artist's fault.

[@michaelkupfer3723]

He literally says "sometimes it's an artist that just started"

[@casperzweerus1364]

Love hearing Joe Farrell talk about the craft. His explanations are so detailed and interesting!

[@edwardfletcher7790]

It's great to hear an Aussie accent on the show 👍

[@WeavZ805]

Need more of The Batman! The vfx felt seamless compared to other recent blockbusters. Would love to see them talk about the car chase or the final fight

[@cringekiller348]

Some definitely didn't. What looked good was mostly practical effects.

[@Stig69]

I think they did the car chase already, but It could have been the part from the trailer

[@Scripture-Man]

@@Stig69 They did an episode where they replaced the car chase with the original Batmobile.

[@goji253]

@CRINGE KILLER Most of the city is entirely fake yet it looked gorgeous

[@WeavZ805]

@@cringekiller348 Obviously not every vfx shot was going to look good but I don't believe any looked outrightly bad like other films that have been released recently. Done dragged me out of the experience and many worked with the practical effects of perfectly. Very similar to his Apes trilogy

[@jesterlampoon-t1j]

Y'all should do "Sound Designers React!" Like: How they make sounds for things that don't even exist; How they made the T-Rex or Godzilla roar; Even the subtle ways they have to add basic clothing, movement, and walking sounds into animated films. You know those punch and beefy gun sounds in old action movies? WHAT IS THAT? I'll keep posting this comment until SDR is a thing!

[@wobwobrob]

I came here to suggest the same thing! You have my like 👍

[@stefanandrews5098]

Sound designers or Foley artists would be awesome to hear from! I’d also love to hear a composer?

[@JDairShine]

What about a "VFX in video games" series? Video games have essentially been CGI since the beginning of time, would be cool to get your guys' perspectives on it.

[@Nick-jq5nl]

Looking at Air Force One made me think: If you, Corridor, were tasked with making the plane crash scene, in say a few weeks, with modern tools and process, as if it were going into a blockbuster movie, how good could you make it? Is it actually impossible, or could it be made to look real, without big-budget resources? How good is modern "pure CG"?

[@xopurified8981]

I'd love to see this! 💯

[@dochocson]

They could do a comparison of a 'quick and dirty' vs high level redo of the shot. That would be fun to watch.

[@thork6974]

I feel like a practical model shot dry-for-wet is still the way to go, but with a physical interactive element. Mount the model nose up, maybe rig it to pull apart, and dump popcorn salt across it for scale water spray.

[@HerbieMarais]

Yes pls

[@JamethielKnorth]

One day airplane crash, go!

[@hazonku]

I love the fact that Joe is becoming a regular! He's one of the brightest minds in the business & we're truly blessed to have him on the couch this often!

[@happycamperable]

This was a really great episode. You touched on a lot of things that did not work in certain shots, and how to improve them. But you did not outright call them bad. I think that was very effective in talking about all the aspects of VFX work. Not just what you love about famous VFX shots. Joe was also very insightful. I hope for more episodes like this in the future.

[@MrThacca]

0:45 i feel like this part really shows how genuine these guys really are. Artists in the VFX industry really love and respect each other and always in awe towards the works of each other

[@colinschroyer]

You guys definitely need to check out Everything Everywhere All At Once, whether for visual effects artists or stunt coordinators to react to, the film stands out in both areas! A fantastic film that I would love to see a deep-dive into!

[@MaxIronsThird]

So much SFX in that movie, very little VFX.

[@tonypang83]

Finally, an episode with an industry insider, and they actually do break down some "bad" CGi... but in an insightful way.

[@maodijong3661]

Agreed!

[@tonypang83]

@KZbin Commenter Not insult 😅, but I like what they did in this episode. The industry insider was willing to make valid comments about "bad" CGI, but also explained why it could have turned out that way. In past episodes with special guests, they didn't often talk about the negatives side of things.

[@DarthUmbreon]

I love that they get Clint back on the channel so much it’s like he never left. They need to get Peter back more often

[@timo1070]

why did Peter leave? or is it for unknown reasons?

[@robinwolting6156]

Wait did Peter leave??

[@therealfilmnerd]

Peter left?

[@wigs3430]

Peter just released scooty

[@Pauldesky98]

Joe is absolutely one of the best guests you've ever had on here! Keep up the good work and keep him coming back :) I work in motion control and his opinions and experience are really interesting to me!

[@suntanironman]

New thing to do for the show: “The Last Starfighter (1984)”. Anything from that movie would be great to learn more about (I love this movie so much), but specifically the ‘Melting Ice Cream Caves’ scenes would be great to get your thoughts on. Depending on which version you are watching (slightly different movie edits have been released over the decades), that would start at about the 1 hour 6 minute mark. If you are wondering what I mean by ‘Melting Ice Cream Caves’, if you watch you’ll instantly think “Ohhhhhh…. yeah. I get it.” Such an amazing CGI-heavy movie done more than 38 years ago. I can’t even guess as to how many times I have watched this movie from start to finish. I want to learn more about that one scene, but please don’t only do that one not-so-great scene. It would be such a shame if all the amazing scenes were ignored and only that one scene was focused on, lol.

[@AndrewPRoberts]

YES

[@assaultbunny3231]

Been suggesting that movie for like a year now :)

[@suntanironman]

@@assaultbunny3231 Me as well. Every half-dozen or so “VFX Artists React’ videos, I’ll mention “The Last Starfighter” as something that they can react to next. I am honestly surprised that none of them have ever once mentioned it in any video on this channel (unless it missed it). The Last Starfighter is obviously not as well known as other films, but it was a fairly ground-breaking film (for the mid-80s) in terms of CGI.

[@jamesragsdale]

Joe is able to articulate everything so well. Truly an expert in his field.

[@Pastrybfs]

This dude is such a great guest. I'd love to hear more about the drawbacks of the volume. Watching the Obi Wan show made me think about how shooting in the volume can make things feel small and fake in a certain way.

[@hazonku]

I'm STILL trying to figure out what happened with that because I've seen the Mando reels and know folks that worked on that show & I kid you not they have old school stop motion blown up to massive scale on the volume in Mando looking great, foreground, midground, and close background practical set pieces that are digitally extended into the volume seamlessly, meanwhile then parts of Kenobi look like a stage play with somebody's $200 portable projector way out of focus in the background. If they just stuck with that it would have been fine, it'd look like A New Hope with its reused hallways and obvious matte paintings, but because of the other grandiose stuff and the handful of seamless shots on par with Mando those janky ones just stand out WAY more in Kenobi & I still can't quite figure out what went wrong. My best guess so far is that maybe in pre-production VFX made huge changes and set design just didn't get the time to keep up so they delivered the best they could, then in post VFX didn't get the time they needed to marry the elements with roto and compositing.

[@Pastrybfs]

@@hazonku Good guesses. Yeah the only other things I can think of are that the cinematographer had no experience on the volume maybe (I haven't looked, I'm just speculating), or that Chow got overwhelmed. Sidenote, I rewatched the Mando episode where he fights the mudhorn, and that episode looks more beatiful than a 200 million dollar blockbuster. Kenobi (and Book of Boba for that matter) seem to really be mishandling the volume, or getting too ambitious or something.

[@Almandeen]

Yes I’d love to hear more on the Volume drawbacks too! Mando looked stunning but with Kenobi it often looked like the characters weren’t really “in” the environment.

[@KillahMate]

@@Pastrybfs These are all good possibilities, but my first guess (it's always my first guess) is what @hazonku said - they made either some big changes, or too many small changes, and they simply ran out of time. This isn't just because that's always my first guess with VFX, just like Joe Farrell suggested, but because recently we've been seeing some VFX artist testimonials online about the terrible conditions Marvel movie VFX are often made under, and deadlines in particular. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mandalorian, being Disney's big Star Wars experiment, was made with far more prep time, and on Boba Fett and Obi Wan Disney decided to tighten the deadlines like they do with Marvel and the VFX immediately suffered.

[@Pastrybfs]

@@KillahMate I could definitely see that. And we know that Book of Boba spent less time in the writing phase than Mando at the very least, so your theory has water. It just sucks that Mando got better production values given to him than a flagship character like Obi Wan.

[@noelbailey4710]

I love how this channel teach us to appreciate cgi in movies no Matter how bad we think it is learning that people put effort and skill into it

[@ians8184]

I still don't think I've ever seen a VFX breakdown of one of the earliest CGI to blow my mind: the cartoony reactions of Jim Carrey's character to Cameron Diaz's nightclub act in The Mask (1994)

[@xg835]

yess need to do

[@leoburningfast9103]

Prehistoric planet must be reacted too!! Probably some of the best CGI I have ever seen. Make this a top comment so they react to this masterpiece of show

[@pianomation6256]

You mean prehistoric planet?

[@leoburningfast9103]

@@pianomation6256 yes always confuses me

[@leoburningfast9103]

@@pianomation6256 I changed it

[@pianomation6256]

👍

[@nostalgicdouchebag1912]

Was gonna say that!

[@hippiesmiles8934]

I'm always hoping that they would react to a bunch of Dr. Who stuff. Therese is a lot of cool VFX to look at, and a whole lot of hilariously bad VFX too. The practical effects from the original series have always felt creative though there was fewer nonpractical VFX. The new series from 2005 flipped the use of VFX, relying heavily on Computer-generated stuff and fewer practical. You could definitely tell there was a lot of heart put into it and paved the way for VFX on BBC shows.

[@Scripture-Man]

Doctor Who would be fantastic! :-)

[@chezzicus5740]

I have ALWAYS wanted this!

[@zoox3732]

Surely one of these days they'll do it... right?

[@jordanaftermath]

Just came here to comment this 🤯 definitely needs to be done!

[@doctorwhomst6459]

I came here to say that! Everyone who sees this comment and wants one on doccy who, comment that! They'll be sure to react to it if there are multiple comments.

[@Kradith]

i just finished binge watching stranger things, and the whole time i was thinking about how they might've done the cgi in it. it would be very interesting to see your opinions on it and how you think they made them or find out how they actually did make them!

[@thesprawl2361]

I thought cg looked really good even when it wasn’t necessarily that convincing. It had a richness and tonal consistency and it just looked - the whole show looked - incredibly expensive. It felt like luxury tv.

[@breisen99]

I really appreciate that bad VFX shots are being shown again. They are fantastic for helping general audiences understand why they went wrong. They think laziness, but don't realize it's almost always just lack of time

[@dustinakadustin]

they'll show them when they're not talking about the MCU, cause whenever they talk MCU films they have a guest on and can't show them in a bad light. No Way Home had stacks of just awful VFX but they only talked about the good ones and the ones that could've been slightly better. Yes TASM 2 was in here but it's not MCU and they weren't super harsh.

[@KenSahaja]

@@dustinakadustin usually they talk don't talk shit when what they're discussing comes from their work. It would be disrespectful. As hard as vfx as they said, even with all the bad ones, you have no idea how much worse it was before they worked on it. They always work their hardest on these shots and never try to make it bad. To blame it all on them directly or indirectly is just rude and disrespectful.

[@KenSahaja]

And most if not always, they already know the flaws of their own shots so there's no need to be discussing it in their face.

[@dustinakadustin]

@@KenSahaja no I agree with you, don't shit on it, but it sucks that they covered a film with shots as embarrassing as No Way Homes and didn't talk about them at all. On a show called "VFX Artists react to bad and great CGI" they shouldn't be just ignore bad VFX for the sake not upsetting disney.

[@KenSahaja]

@@dustinakadustin they've had a lot of moments where they criticize the MCU too though. You can't blame them for choosing the right moments when to do that out of respect.

[@I3endoubles]

I'd love to see an episode looking at Prehistoric Planet and Walking with Dinosaurs. It'd be cool to compare both the changes in CG capability as well as how the reconstructions themselves have changed.

[@tylershep4220]

I'd love to see an episode featuring Top Gun Maverick. Their effort to work with real fighter jets while supplementing with VFX was really impressive.

[@garrettvelkjar3136]

I think a star trek VFX react episode would be really cool. You could look at shots across time and how the technology has changed what is possible and where it has faltered a bit. For a more specific shot there was one in The Next Generation season 4, episode 5, at about 4 minutes 30 seconds in that really stumped me when I saw it. I would love to see how you guys react to it!

[@CB-vg8pv]

Same. I'd especially love to see what they think about the battles in DS9 between the Federation and the Klingons and the Dominion War ship-to-ship combat effects.

[@Zarro0o0o]

Shut up

[@Zarro0o0o]

@@CB-vg8pv shut up

[@Marksman3434]

So cool to see Clint coming back consistently again for VFX Artists React. Also, man, this episode was SUPER educational, especially with the King Kong part

[@bert_clemens2530]

Watching these videos for the last 2 years has given me a new found respect for vfx artists. Learning the ins and outs of it all and how complex the work is is fascinating. I always loved movies but when i watch them now I pay alot more attention to the practical, visual effects, cinematography and stunt coordinations and see it in a totally different light; It drives my girlfriend nuts but oh well. It makes me wish i could go back 10 years and get into film making. I've been trying to regurgitate this knowledge to people with my dumb dumb brain hoping i don't butcher it too much then just end it with "you gotta just watch the videos". Keep showing us how the sausage is made guys, this is good stuff. P.S. Lighting and shadows look like a pain in the ass.

[@markhalvorson4631]

I would like to see some of the “87%” of VFX shots that we don’t notice. What are filmmakers doing that successfully tricks us without realizing it?

[@Kytetiger]

Check a Wolf of Wall Street making of compilation, you will be surprised !

[@randomperson3934]

@@Kgamer64 this is a lie😭😭 they just use drones for sky shots and shit, y’all just read one like from google and think U know sum

[@RJrules64]

@@randomperson3934 Skyshot? sure. Skyline in the background of a ground shot? no

[@Stevenwave-]

One I remember seeing them mention in an ep was a lot of the roads in the chase scene/s in the last James Bond were CGI replacements. One of the big reasons being they need to be able to shoot multiple times, but skidding a car around creates skid marks etc. So it was easier to just fully replace the road, rather than try to match up shots that do/don't have skids visible that don't break continuity etc.

[@jumbojumbo6866]

@@RJrules64 i thought it was mostly video recording a sky and then putting that on the background or at least putting a camera on a hot air balloon idk what kinds of shoots they will put but i assume before drones they may use balloons or high poles

[@StoneMotions]

Just started watching the new halo series, the first fight scene has a great combination of good and bad VFX to unpack. Having played Halo with Wren in high school, it would be fun to see him talking about it. Or even comparing the previous Peter Jackson one that had the trailer but never got off the ground

[@rocketpunchgo1]

The Batman (and Mandolorian, etc) using the Volume shows that even "fake" practical sets are almost always better than full CGI ones.

[@StoriesOfASaytr]

I like the fact that it seems it's mostly the background. But the things in the set tend to be practical. As you don't got to blend all the fake props in front with all the fake in the back.

[@Appletank8]

They did mention a lot of problems occur if you need to edit a shot afterwards, because you’re almost stuck to rotoscoping it out.

[@98tofuyi]

I think the difference is that in Volume is harder to "just fix it in post" since the "cgi" is done beforehand, so it requires a lot more planning. Like it was said in the video, the biggest culprit in bad cgi is bad planning and lack of time.

[@LordBackuro]

Blade Runner 2049 is showing it even better Like they created an entire brutalist city out of miniatures.

[@thecommenter578]

Agree. Also I think it's better for the actors because they have something to look at instead of the classic sea of green

[@GEOgraphicdesigner]

Ash Thorp designed the Batmobile in the recent Batman movie. Would love to see him on this show one day! He's super inspiring and really cool dude.

[@MikeTaffet]

Oh man, Stunt people react to car chases would be dope

[@GEOgraphicdesigner]

@@MikeTaffet Oh, that reminds me of Ford v Ferrari movie. So many good car shots!

[@kb470]

It very quickly became my favorite batmobile

[@pwl2992]

Agreed!

[@Animatty]

Recommentation: Belle (2021 GKIDS film) was sooooo beautiful and amazing and almost every shot had me gasping because it was so astoundingly well done. Watched it for the first time recently, and I have had major respect for it ever since.

[@SnowPea67]

I’d love to see you guys react to the absolutely stunning effects of the new dinosaur documentary “Prehistoric Planet.” It has some of the most realistic dinosaurs I’ve ever seen, it straight up looks like they just filmed real dinosaurs.

[@QuickChair]

where can i watch it

[@SnowPea67]

@@QuickChair it’s on appletv+

[@Saporling]

This please yes!

[@dannyb2048]

see the new Jurassic World... so bad

[@Deinobi]

^^

[@brandbird]

When I first saw Jackson's King Kong, I thought the obvious blue/greenscreening was a deliberate tribute to the original, kinda like "yeah we know you can see they're running in front of a screen, just like back in the day, but what happens on our screen is more spectacular, so just enjoy the ride".

[@adamvialpando106]

Could have been both. Like "We are never gonna make the compositing look good so let's focus more on the weird but unique look".

[@heyitsmikegaming]

My new head canon. If it looks bad it's an homage

[@hazonku]

I definitely felt that way about it because there are plenty of other non action shots that looked kinda janky.

[@crownjackal2366]

If y'all haven't done the Hellboy movies yet, I would love to see a video on them. Looks like lots of practical and lots of cgi shots pretty seamlessly stitched together.

[@danrkelly]

Hearing someone speak about the reality of delivery and relationship between resources and time hit home for me. It's same for a lot of time constrained practical projects in other industries especially where output is a detailed design.

[@rhyswilloughby6364]

Love to see an episode on hand drawn overlays as effects. ie; the emperors lightning blast on Luke, highlanders energy burst and why are they so satisfying compared to digital versions 🤔

[@nightspicer]

The *last agni kai fight from ATLA* would be perfect for for the Animators React. It's so stunning! For the VFX series you gotta react to *Aslan from the Chronicles of Narnia!* Also at the end of second one there's a big water creature, so it might be cool to see what you think about that. If you want something a bit crappy the old Barbie movies could be great for that (fe. The 12 Dancing Princesses, for the dancing) Maybe also, Max Schneider's Gibberish music video, the editing kinda breaks my brain there. And for stuntmen react It would be cool to see you react to the duel from "Potop", it's really good sword fight (tho technically it's sabers i think)

[@flatleyld]

I completely agree with the Narnia suggestions! I’d love to see a compare of Aslan from the 3 movies, and the water creature from Prince Caspian. It’s stunning work.

[@EpicWolverine]

Oh boy, reviewing some of those old Barbie movies would be interesting. My sister loved them so I ended up watching them a lot on trips.

[@Charely1925]

I would love to see them do Zuko and Azula's agni kai. That would be amazing!

[@TaylorPassofaro]

YESSS The Last Agni Kai should definitely be on animators react. Some of the best work I've ever seen!

[@nightspicer]

@@EpicWolverine I used to watch them a fair bit as a kid and recently rewatched some of them and it actually surprised me how different they were from what I've remembered

[@Tomi-berry]

More love needs to be showed to the Editor(s)! They make sure we understand how this VFX works!

[@Mr.Septon]

So this show started out as gold but one thing I find I am really loving is how many VFX artists, animators, stunt people, etc. are quickly becoming regular staples of the show. It really adds something to it where you get the view from the "guys on the couch" and the people that were there. Great combination, I just love your shows.

[@kamilnurkowski]

The ending shot revealing that advertising segment for real is a psycho horror was perfect!

[@marcreid1704]

Joe Farrell said something that made me think of a vfx teacher I had who said : "Doing VFX is trying to fool an tool perfected of millions of years to detect prey and predator in foliage"

[@BlueShirtRedVest]

I don't know if it'd be a VFX artists react or an Animators React, but I think it'd be cool if you did an episode where you showed the evolution of CGI in a videogame series that has been around for a long time. Blizzard with Warcraft, MS with Halo, Sony w GoW etc.

[@michaeln6142]

A spin off series about video games would be cool generally, just like they have Animators and Stunt Men react

[@angrypotato_fz]

Great talk about expectations vs reality in compositing work - the time constraints, sudden changes. Great to hear a professional neither complaining about a bad shot or defending the shot, but just explaining how sometimes filmmakers need to make hard decisions about the delivery of some imperfect shots.

[@misinformedmarti]

I would love an explanation of how you would approach older movies today. As for examples, the one that comes to mind is Robot Jox. The kid inside me that will never age loves that movie, but it is a hard watch after being spoiled with current standards.

[@DursProductions]

I'd be interested in seeing you guys react to Godzilla through the eras. It would be fun to see you react/compare the practical work of the Showa/Heisei eras, the blending of practical/digital in the Millennium/Reiwa eras and the digital work of the Monsterverse.

[@Marksman3434]

Episode recommendation: Lost in Space (1998) vs Lost in Space (Netflix) would be a cool comparison, not just in terms of VFX, but in the overall artistic design and direction and how they differ from one another in all those aspects

[@jasonblalock4429]

The 1998 version would probably be more interesting to talk about, since it has some very nice shots and some really terrible shots. It's kind of a good snapshot of where late 90s CGI was at, and what happened when studios tried to get too ambitious.

[@FablestoneSeries]

Lost in Space the original black and white TV show, for its time for 1965 was impressive. They did zero G scenes (in the first episode) that no one else dared to try at the time. And then there is the scene from Lost in Space (1998) with the alien that was bonkers terrible. I think the animators at the time were still clinging to old school methods of squashing and stretching. So we got this little alien dude who's eyes would bulge out, and it just looks like a cartoon. I worked on the new Lost in Space Netflix TV show. Though not as a CGI artist. I was doing background acting on that series. I AM an CGI animator. I've done CGI work, but just not on that show. Nevertheless I would be happy to answer questions, if I can. What I appreciated about the Netflix TV show is just how much was practical. They built an impressive set. They commissioned 2 actual operating rovers be built (chariots I think they called them). The spaceship was as real as one could expect. The mothership built 2 floors on top of one another and was just huge. You could wander around the set and feel like you were on something real.

[@jasonblalock4429]

@@FablestoneSeries Heh, along the same lines, I bet the crew would freak out learning about the effects on the 1950s show "Space Patrol." It didn't just have to do all its effects in-camera, it had to do them in-camera *during live broadcasts.* Model shots, miniatures on wires, mirror-based compositing, moving backgrounds on treadmills, etc, all done in realtime - and any mistake would be seen by millions. It was practically a magic show, and the work that went into shooting an episode was nuts.

[@FablestoneSeries]

@@jasonblalock4429 Yeah i forgot about that. That's definitely worth a deep dive. I promise you any effects that were good from the 1998 version were practical. the robot, for example was a Jim Henson puppet, one of the last things he worked on before he died. One of reasons i liked the set of the new one, is how much work went into things that would likely never been seen. For example, they built a pie slice of the habitat ring, of the Resolute, that could be dressed up to look like any part of the ship. in the big room that was everything from the lunchroom to the command center there was a bay window that looked out over the habitant ring as it wrapped around. They built the exterior of the ship so what you were seeing outside wasn't CGI (except for the stars). any other show would have just stuck a green screen out the window.

[@skatrash1747]

You guys should react to some of the scenes from Firefly! there's some decent action sequences as well as convincing effects done with the ships in the show! Love everything you guys have put out!

[@Scripture-Man]

GREAT episode! Really good conversation, Joe Farrell brings a lot to the table. I like the format of 3 sitting on the couch, but wouldn't mind the occasional episode with all 4 regulars + a guest like Joe. Oh and the YT episodes are too short, they go SO quick!

[@ameyambekar2221]

have you seen the vfx of Bramhastra trailer

[@SoniasWay]

I love how well Joe Farrell explains everything about the craft. It’s so interesting to hear

[@hard2hurt]

Can't wait for you guys to check out Thor: Love and Thunder. There was lots of variation in the quality of the visual effects in that one... some of them amazing and impactful and some of them were PS2 cut scenes.

[@colereed7411]

What do you think the worst shot was?

[@alexman378]

@@colereed7411 The shot they gave Taika Waititi to further ruin the character

[@blinkq_530]

@@alexman378 what did he do wrong?

[@alexman378]

@@blinkq_530 Everything.

[@yippykiyay89]

@@blinkq_530 turned Thor into a bumbling buffoon. Made the whole movie into a 2hr SNL sketch/parody except most of the jokes were for kids

[@QueeferSutherlands]

Please look at District 9. It still holds up AMAZINGLY well to this day compared to others. Would love to hear you talk about how that certain style seems to age so much better than other scifi CGI. Blomkamp has always been good at that in general. He deserves a whole episode! Or even have him on!

[@mou.2]

YES.

[@emilymillikan992]

YES. And/or Elysium.

[@gtx1650max-q]

District 9 was frickin insane

[@anthonypeck8448]

It's nice for someone to explain a little why bad visual effects can sometimes be bad, this rarely gets talked about and properly explained. There's always so many factors involved.

[@parasite159]

Okay Wren, something to add to your list; The 2004 Film Immortel: Ad Vitam, loosely based on Enki Bilal's comic book La Foire aux immortels, one of the first films to be fllmed entirely on a Digital backlot, incorporating live actors with Digital characters, with Motion capture by Quantic Dreams

[@mollywoodshots6503]

That madman Greg Fraiser shot the bright & dusty world of Dune and the dark & dirty world of The Batman back to back. Kudos to him and everyone🙌

[@Doug_Hannon]

I'd love to see some VFX breakdowns of old Sci-Fi shows like Stargate SG-1, BattleStar Galactica, Star Trek, etc.

[@scarletspidernz]

oh and modern version with like The Expanse and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[@asdfghjkl9260]

Very interesting hearing about Volume-tech. With the new Thor film and the Obi-Wan Kenobi show being panned for bad use of the technology it would be really fun if you guys analyzed it more! Especially since The Mandalorian made it look really good while the Obi-Wan show didn't!

[@TonyNguyenJD]

Starship Troopers! I think it has been mentioned before on an episode with Adam Savage but it was mostly about the behind the scenes knowledge, not yet judging why those effects still really hold up well even to this day. Such a seamless blend of practical and CG

[@drgonrasa]

The Legion show had some fun and interesting CGI and practical effects, I'd really recommend the kitchen scene in season one and the "time monkeys" had some interesting design

[@garysalazar5279]

why do you keep repeating this using different accounts?

[@drgonrasa]

@@garysalazar5279 What do you mean? I wrote this comment once in the past with the same account, that was months ago

[@garysalazar5279]

@@drgonrasa If you go down the comment section, it looks like a bot copy pasted your comment. You should report it

[@drgonrasa]

@@garysalazar5279 Thanks for the headsup, I just did

[@bluefletcherfish]

These are so well done. I always watch them on the website, I'm glad to see they're still getting love on KZbin.

[@MedlifeCrisis]

Joe always got other VFX artists’ backs, what a dude

[@singhtv1911]

𝗗𝗼𝗻'𝘁 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝗺𝘆 𝗻𝗮𝗺𝗲

[@lawrencesprague9584]

Would love to see an ep of who can make the best airplane ocean crash to replace the shots in air force one, would be sweet to see Clint in on that one too, I already know he’d make something awesome. Some hyper realistic versions, some physics engine sims, maybe even some stylized versions, lotta possibilities :)

[@khandimahn9687]

I like that idea!

[@kemalmoise5945]

I love the explanation around 7:00. I'm sure you'll get to it but there's 1 scene in Thor Love and Thunder that is a lower quality than the entire rest of the movie but because of you guys I can appreciate the time and effort that I didn't notice every other scene in the movie (kinda like that last forest scene after the snap in infinity war)

[@merlinoner]

Joe is one of your bests guests, very knowledgeable and really humble at the same time.

[@tenebris6866]

The visual and special effects for Darren Aronofsky’s “The Fountain” are definitely worth a look at.

[@jameslawrence2291]

This film was equal parts amazingly beautiful and bat crap wtf crazy

[@Negative1_1]

It’s actually really interesting because that movie only uses CGI for one scene, and the rest is things like chemical reactions and suck to create effects

[@Lohanujuan]

14:30 not gonna lie my mind was blown when you were talking about them designing the digital yoga to look like a puppet. That’s why I originally started listening to this channel, just having a new perspective on the media I see. Your guest was more than amazing, he really had Ana amazing way of explaining it on laymens terms

[@Scripture-Man]

That's not exactly a new idea though. For example, over 20 years ago in the Prequels, they made adult Yoda to look like a puppet. Making Yoda NOT puppet-like would really betray the whole character.

[@kaschmonet]

The Dragon chase scene from Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire had a lot of little details that helped give the dragon more life.

[@NyctoGaming]

Joe was a fantastic guest, the man just oozes experience and wisdom

[@wolfer9203]

The visuals in Stranger thing's is pretty sick, I'd love to see you guys break down and explain the VFX ect..

[@Naseem384]

Well, Stranger Things doesn’t have the best VFX but the story more than makes up for it.

[@Caseoh_Music]

the vfx is the worst part of the show

[@waterierStone]

It really helps that there's never too much going on with the monsters. And that they have more sturdy hair because it's the 80s.

[@bonesplinter3587]

Season 4 has incredible vfx, I don’t think I’d say that for for anything else in the show other than the spider monster from stranger things

[@thebatman07]

@@bonesplinter3587 the villain in season 4 literally looks like a man in a costume

[@TheForeverRanger]

When it comes to VFX I think we are finally finding that perfect marriage between practical and digital. Use practical when possible and use CGI to make it look the best it can be.

[@samcooke343]

Agreed. The best VFX are the ones you'd never know were there.

[@robertbrookes2000]

I feel like that's what DC is doing in their films nowadays (Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey, Peacemaker etc.) Whereas Marvel just use CGI all the time, which lead to less time for some effects and so bad looking CG. So much floaty head syndrome because Marvel either can't be asked or don't have enough time to make a real physical costume.

[@TheHannahcast]

I think one of my main issues with the stampede in King Kong is that those sauropod dinosaurs shouldn't be stampeding for two reasons: A) They are all so huge compared to the pack of Venatosaurus to where they really shouldn't be bothered and honestly could scare the Ventasauruses away. B) Even if those sauropods were to stampede, they really wouldn't be that fast. Considering sauropods were the biggest animals to ever walk the earth, they would shatter their bones if they ever tried to move that quickly. That's literally why they got so big: they could spend more energy getting big and less energy trying to be fast. It just doesn't look right when you see those sauropods moving that fast.

[@zwenkwiel816]

Yet the giant ape doesn't bother you? I mean the whole premise of the movie isn't exactly scientifically accurate XD

[@TheHannahcast]

@@zwenkwiel816 But at least with Kong, we have a visual reference for how gorillas are supposed to move. Yeah, Kong should technically not exist, but at least we can see a gorilla being fast in real life. Those sauropods do not at all look like they should be moving fast.

[@NiPeMiRecenziiFilme]

@@zwenkwiel816 Well, sauropods existed and we know how they acted in real life, a giant ape is fictional so here you can suspend your disbelief, but not on sauropods ho break the laws of physics and logic because they were real.

[@DanielSloane]

Yes, and also, were a group of humans actually caught up in that stampede, every single one of them would be crushed within seconds. It takes viewers out of the movie seeing what are meant to be regular people surviving impossible odds again and again.

[@TheHannahcast]

@@DanielSloane Yeah, that scene just felt like a cartoon.

[@dylanward5680]

Just Binged Severance and I could never skip the opening credits. It's so satisfying to watch and see clues about it the show. I would love to see an episode dedicated to well done CGI intros. ( Severance, Game of Thrones, Westworld, new Lord of the Rings....etc..) love every episode. Keep it up everyone!

[@stevenlornie1261]

I would love to see an episode on silent film techniques. There's lots of great effects in the old era of film. Frau Im Mond, Faust, Dr Mabuse, Die Nibelungen, A Trip to the Moon etc.

[@EnigmaticPenguin]

I'd love for you to look at the 2006 Star Trek TOS remaster vs the original footage. In particular, the episode "The Doomsday Machine". It's impressive work and it has the unique challenge of needing to mary CG footage fromt he early 2000's in to a show from the late 1960's. It has to look just janky enough and like it could have been accomplished with a model in 1966 but up to HD standards of the time.

[@RainyDayForge]

Going through the entire canon would be a hit!

[@Kornergrafen]

I want a "Can we make Star Trek VFX better?" video.

[@jasonblalock4429]

Comparing the original version of TMP vs the new 4K release of the Director's Cut would also be good.

[@RainyDayForge]

@@Kornergrafen that would be fun!

[@RainyDayForge]

Just looking at the Gorn throughout the series could be interesting since there’s so much debate and love/hate about the changes that were made.

[@GuardGirl39]

Joe always brings his brilliant expertise and really breaks down the shots so we can understand what’s going on and I love it 👏🏻

[@AllenWatts]

Seems like a good comparison between the King Kong scene and Prehistoric Planet. I'm sure you guys are getting suggestions about that show a lot. I've found it stunning and am constantly amazed at the realism they have achieved.

[@brianwindsor7923]

There's a sword fight in Blade II (the one that takes place in front of the wall of spotlights) that has a shot with atrocious digital doubles. It stands out to me because on the DVD commentary track, Guillermo del Toro is like, "I f---ing hate that shot!!!"

[@KingdomVR]

1983's Krull has some really janky looking VFX but had a huge budget for the time!!! Could be a good one to look at!!! 🙂

[@reggiezeta8893]

Yessss, I'd love for the Corridor team to check Krull out!!

[@KingdomVR]

@@reggiezeta8893 I watched it recently and wondered how they did a few of the horse riding shots, obviously green or blue screen but was it a mile long or was it travelling alongside the horses??? 🤷‍♂

[@emorydeyoung3425]

I'd love to see you guys cover the flying scene from Eragon (2006). Honestly, an entire episode about dragons in film and TV would make my day!

[@guksack]

My British ass would love to see the awesome 80s/early 90s Red Dwarf model shots versus the CGI "remasters" they did in the late 90s (You know, around the time George Lucas was making it a "cool" thing to do)

[@PrecisionEngineeredJank]

I'd love to see an episode on Stargate. Specifically the serpent guard helmets, the actual gate swoosh which I hear was only rendered like twice in 8 seasons or something but happens in every episode. Also the Gould larvae themselves and really anything else from the show.

[@IanWatson]

One thing I really miss from the movie that never made it into the show is the whirlpool effect on the backside of the gate.

[@nrgthedude]

What about yhr episode where they connect to a gate near a black hole, and the whole scene trying to set off a bomb at the event horizon

[@Freelancer4tehwin]

The Stargate TV series are all solid to look at. They have good examples of rough effects, but by and large they do a lot of really good work. I think the gate itself is brilliant. As are the Asgard. They own the Asgard puppet idea. They lean into it an own it. They have entire episodes with the Replicators which are built on very simple lines from a simulation standpoint: Lots of simple blocks. They worked within their means *alot* and I think it's a great example of using what you have the time and budget for, and writing in an effects conscious way. On those lines: Farscape. Farscape is brilliant, uses a lot of practical effects, and has some wonky VFX work, but developed a style and a visual language where they were consistent and it results in a fairly intelligently balanced use of VFX in a sci-fi television paradigm. For a more modern look, some of the VFX in the Foundation series from Apple are just *beautiful*.

[@PrecisionEngineeredJank]

You definitely need to look at how every alien planet just looks like British Columbia 😆

[@haimmynz1903]

Stargate needs a really good look at, many examples of not great effects but many examples of really good execution as well. Love the episode where they slow down time and all grow old in the space ship while waiting for weapons fire to hit them. Te'lc staying in the time bubble while everything gets destroyed then turns back. Also the woosh from the Stargate openning, I understand, was made by firing air into water and recording the water movement when the air pushes the water out of the way.

[@aaronkess2400]

I’m really curious about the effects on Amazon’s “Tales from the Loop.” Specifically the robots throughout. I can’t decide if/when they are practical puppets vs. CG characters. I’m sure I could just look it up, but I think it’d be much easier to understand and more fun if you guys were to break it down. Thanks, and keep being awesome!

[@ameyambekar2221]

have you seen the vfx of Bramhastra trailer

[@Schizm1]

I LOVE his different perspective about the volume. It's refreshing to see that a "new toy" is not as perfect as hype led everyone to belive.

[@thork6974]

His breakdown of the time factor was illuminating. Might explain why Robert Rodriguez appears to have gone mostly greenscreen for Book of Boba Fett, cause he works fast.

[@mikeandersonart]

Would love to see breakdowns of more “hidden” vfx, like period piece movies such as Road to Perdition

[@funnydonewell1022]

RECOMMENDATION! A different type of “film effects” which you guys should have a look at is the genius of Gerry Anderson especially thunderbirds and captain scarlet! Would really love your guys reactions to these! Keep up the good work!

[@DaviniaHill]

Gerry

[@robertdennys8994]

The most recent reboot series Thunderbirds Are Go is interesting for fusing Anderson's old school practical models with contemporary CGI.

[@emilymillikan992]

I'd love to see more of The Expanse, or the "new" Battlestar Galactica. Expanse vs BSG?! Expanse might be a little overwhelming but even just looking at the first season - especially the worldbuilding via SFX - would be interesting. Also anything from Arrival. I wonder how much of it was practical.

[@curtiswfranks]

I love these suggestions.

[@rivengle]

There’s so many shots and details in the expanse that they should look at. All the wire work too.

[@kiaraneves8852]

This is my favourite series on KZbin, lots of love to y'all 💙

[@ThisIsTheRoad]

You GOTTA do the final fight in "Shadow in the Cloud", when Chloë Grace Moretz beats up the Gremlin in the water. The creature itself, the movement, the interaction with the water and with her... All so good, not just for a low budget movie, but so much better than any creature in "Shang-Chi" for example.

[@Charlie_lives]

Look at the film Dredd they have some really cool effects

[@TheMaestroso]

You guys should talk about "Everything Everywhere All At Once" and how the VFX were so godd despite being done by only a five-person team - I'm sure you would relate to them on that front!

[@chill_dyl497]

When it comes to shooting on the Volume, like they said, it looks great when necessary, but noticeable when overused. There were a couple times in Obi-wan and Book of Boba when it seemed ‘cheap’ and noticeable. I agree and hope that they don’t ‘live in VR’ but use it sparingly.

[@gramathy999]

Seems to me volume shooting works best for scenes where the logistics of doing it for real would be too difficult. Fictional skyline with unconventional lighting (bluescreen could work if either of those were different) or extreme/entirely fictional locations where actually shooting is too difficult to impossible.

[@robjacks8306]

On all D+ SW shows I now play a game trying to work out where the Volume floor was and what was "real" physical prop in some of the scenes after watching the Mando BTS. Sometimes you can really pick it out and I feel like I belong on Corridor Crew!! haha

[@lampad4549]

I feel its the opposite if you have an element present in a story and it is consistently cgi throughout then it doesn't break the immersion but when you switch between practical and cg it becomes noticable. Like in blade 2.

[@lampad4549]

@@gramathy999 what does your comment have to do with what op said?

[@lampad4549]

@@robjacks8306 goes to show how good the effects are?

[@user-hn2wc3fy7y]

Again, I love his perspective. He might come off as an apologist for CGI haters, but with any ounce of logic, he's spitting absolute facts. I love that he keeps fitting this show into his likely hectic schedule.

[@JoseSoto-pk4ot]

I recently watched the Men in Black 1 & 2 movie again and am amazed at how well it has aged. I'm not an expert but it seems to have good practical effects and VFX combined, you should take a look at it. Psd: love your videos