VFX Artists React to SNYDER CUT Justice League Bad & Great CGi

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Niko and Wren are joined by Freddie Wong of Rocket Jump to discuss Zack Snyder's Justice League (and it's 2017 counterpart).
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[@CorridorCrew]

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[@adarshpasi4467]

Can you react to bhramastra VFX please

[@adarshpasi4467]

It's Indian best VFX movie

[@maayonauzhadh]

@@adarshpasi4467 no its not

[@HasnainChanna]

BRING JACK SNYDER TO YOUR REACTS SHOW

[@BelairPedicab]

K😊0 l l😊

[@TenshoWasHere]

The crew during fight scenes: eh it's whatever, it's cool The crew during a 0.7 second clip of Steppenwolf walking on a puddle: *M E G A N U T*

[@grantpappas8918]

its the little things lol

[@Chevdriver]

@@grantpappas8918 thats what i always tell the girls

[@grantpappas8918]

@@ChevdriverI knew somebody would reply with that comment

[@kalakritistudios]

😂😂😂😂

[@Pixel_FX]

Honestly, because its the only scene where CG looked real. All the other parts you can tell what is CG and what is not. If you can see if something is CG then its not good CG. Take Bladerunner 2049 for an example. Nobody even know which was CG and which wasn't. Because it was that good.

[@FitzVestrit]

Petition for a part 2 cause there's a lot more scenes that can be talked about!!

[@InfamousRigby]

Yessir!!

[@simarhunjan214]

Agreed. We need a Part 2 about Martian Manhunter and Cyborg CGI, Superman CGI suit, Aquaman Underwater Scenes, Flash travels back in time scene, His slow-mo scenes with Superman Vs the league scene...

[@matthunterman1]

I rally

[@sheepgodz247]

I love the scene where flash saves the civilians from the rubble. At first you notice it’s not much but if you watch it frame by frame you can see what the flash is doing, like he’ll stop and think to plan out what he’ll do next. It’s dope

[@thenikhilray99]

Part 2 yes for the flash scene.

[@safwandalbadalsa8388]

actually according to some interview, the reshoot for the snyder cut is just 10 minutes or so. the whole movie is just the original scenes of snyder's without joss whedon reshoot

[@malfaroangel3896]

Yes but none of Synder work had completed VFX and edits.

[@Frank-zw7gn]

Yeah the only "reshoot" was the knightmare scene with the martian manhunter scene, in the "2017 Snyder Cut" the movie ended with the Lex Luthor scene

[@MadsterV]

but they did have a running start on VFX (old files) and could spend all the additional time polishing them up. The video shows tweaks in animation and the change in crop means a chance to reframe everything.

[@malfaroangel3896]

@@MadsterV No just like Corridor, Weta digital has other projects to work on for other studios

[@MadsterV]

​@@malfaroangel3896 Sure they have other projects, how does that change anything?

[@christianmohammed3728]

Snyder's steppenwolf made me actually afraid he might win because of how epic he was.

[@thisnigga5986]

Technically he did

[@ehsancandrive]

Meanwhile steppenwolf in josstice league: I would have won it wasn’t for that meddling Boy Scout and k-pop stan

[@giovannibaglio2179]

Isn't really accurate to a comic standpoint though. In the comics steppenwolf literally does just look like a dude. Now this isn't to say Snyder version doesn't look epic.

[@ogrimzyz8643]

@@giovannibaglio2179 Snyders version looks better though

[@giovannibaglio2179]

@@ogrimzyz8643 agree to disagree. I find the older look better cause the whole point of steppenwolf is for him if he please TO be able to just walk around without anyone thinking he isn't human. I mean there multiple stories where he is on earth trying to be covert rather than explosions and here I am.

[@jayyshmay]

"What if we deep-faked the mustache?" What a time to be alive

[@PhonedIn]

What's crazy is that there's an even easier way to do it pretty realistically that doesn't even involve deepfaking.

[@amado9923]

They seriously could have just gone with a full beard. It makes sense and would have looked cool

[@sighman9209]

@@amado9923 And it would have been considerably easier to make vfx wise than reconstructing his mouth lol

[@wordsinahandle]

Add stubble tooo. I mean he was in his grave. Hair and nails continue to grow after death. Miller in black suit too.!

[@theisaacpigg27_32]

@@wordsinahandle That's not true actually. It's the skin losing moisture and drawing up that gives the illusion of growth

[@hard2hurt]

Oh god... that "final final" in the file naming bit hit me directly.

[@skylerqueenz6452]

It hit me differently too Lol, file naming is the most overlooked thing but it's the most important thing, i think Weta Digital teaches people on file naming when u work there

[@withershin]

I stopped myself today from putting final in a pdf filename. Old habits.

[@hrothgarnogar]

Yup haha. I always just go through numbered versions and that’s it now. V1, V2, V3...

[@HercadosP]

@@withershin I write ver1 and proceed to forget what ver is what...

[@withershin]

@@HercadosP Okay so now I use YYYYMMDD + A,B,C, etc. which really just has the same end outcome as final final but it takes longer to get there lol

[@tjnaples]

Superman II: The Richard Donner cut and Zach Snyder’s Justice League, two rare examples of film history being made!

[@TheKazragore]

And both from DC universes, no less!

[@thejus.klenin9108]

I haven't yet seen the Donner cut bro 😣😣 how can I get it.....?

[@tjnaples]

@@thejus.klenin9108 I purchase my movies on iTunes and you can find it there. When you buy a movie in HD there it will auto upgrade to 4K when available, no new purchase necessary. I recommend the Apple + app. Let me know what you think!

[@tjnaples]

@@Blitz-dm3kv Disagree. Name another movie where grass roots fan efforts lead to a director’s cut release that was better than the original. Many films have director’s cuts but not fan motivated.

[@ScooterinAB]

@@tjnaples You're mistaking fandom with memedom. The whole release the Snyder cut thing was a meme used to deflect criticism from DC for making another shitty movie. People hopped on it so they could be in on the joke. If this was a thing, LucasFilm would have remade at least 6 Star Wars films, because no one is louder and more numerous than Star Wars fans.

[@Alteringcollectibles]

8:48 I'm also amazed at how real it looks, usually when a cgi interacts with water in a hollywood movie, I can tell it's cgi, but here even knowing it's cgi I still question it.

[@alhira5098]

9:38 - 9:39 I find the water splashing upwards after the foot step the only thing to actually give away that this puddle is cgi. Everything else looks incredibly realistic. The stick and the interaction of the water with it, the mud coming up as reaction to the foot stomping into the puddle. But those few water driplets that almost get catapulted upwards look more like hot wax in lava lamps than real water.

[@realdavidjones1623]

@@alhira5098 I think a dude just put on a huge shoe and they cgi'd it

[@Se7enDsinSGaming]

Basically the entire movie: THEY CUT THIS PART OUT?

[@gamerzred]

Ikr especially the flash’s scenes!!

[@gamerzred]

They did him so dirty

[@wheeler6768]

Especially all of Cyborg's backstory

[@gamerzred]

@@wheeler6768 that is true!

[@travisspazz1624]

I have have a family Why does everyone keep saying that? I'm a big fan of Justice. Wish Snyder didn't cut those.

[@explodingtomahawks7589]

I think the biggest reason Barry was so gentle with that woman was because of how incredibly powerful he is moving at that speed where it's almost practically frozen.

[@seraby7151]

Dceu Flash doesn't seem to have telekinesis like Superman. That's why he can't carry a person while speeding because he's gonna kill them.

[@davidg2927]

That’s right

[@shaunraflores2294]

He shouldn't need to, the speed force aura allows Barry and any other speedforce based speedsters to ignore laws of physics like sonic booms, friction and force being applied to their internal organs. This extends to any object/being that he is in contact with and is the primary reason why he doesn't kill people at high speeds like when he evacuated the entire population of Chongin from a nuke.

[@hakukisimoto]

@@shaunraflores2294 its early flash where barry still learning his power.

[@adotey5269]

Yeah I mean look at when he pushed the parademon and how in the speed forces slowed time he only slightly pushed it but in real time the push had the force to literally kill the parademon and so it’s safe to say that by being gentle was the right move here

[@juststop23]

To Freddie's point, even though we had essentially already seen this movie I still felt the tension and excitement build up in each scene. I was thoroughly entertained by the Snyder cut over the original release.

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

That and Snyder’s version looks and feels like an actual film/ epic rather than a crappy Saturday morning cartoon that WB wanted.

[@teamvlcn6820]

Even something as simple as when Roose Bolton readies the bomb makes me nervous. In Josstice League Wonder Woman breaks through the door immediately after, letting me know that nothing bad is going to happen. But Justice League has the timer set before Diana even enters the building, adding just that extra bit of tension.

[@cjkalandek996]

Freddie's point on how the 4:3 aspect ratio emphasized how larger than life the characters were actually bodes true, but mainly for this film. Because one of the major key differences between Marvel and DC is Marvel is about heroes trying to compete with gods whereas DC is about gods living among men.

[@sajidursajid2291]

Did you just explain the key differences between Marvel and DC in one sentence?

[@barry2349]

Wrong batman is only human,also avengers have some op characters

[@Rex-yp1qb]

@@barry2349 he never said marvel has lame characters the big difference between marvel and DC is marvel heroes are trying to become god's or defeat one, well I won't call thanos a god more like demi god. while in DC well they're fighting against real god's, people who were already god's since the beginning Also your clearly underestimating batman for someone whose more famous than Hawkeye who also doesn't have powers . Batman has proven so many times he doesn't need powers to be a hero

[@icemav5740]

@@barry2349 obviously there are exceptions to the idea but in general they are right. DCs heroes are in general more powerful and god-like than that Marvel heroes, and their stories are about their struggles to fit in to a human society. Superman, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman, Shazam, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl etc are all insanely powerful and their biggest struggles are usuallu fitting in to our world, Superman, Cyborg and Martian Manhunter especially. Marvels heroes are more often than not regular humans with slight advancements and their struggles revolve around fighting incredibly powerful beings. Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Falcon, War Machine, Black Panther etc all apply to that. Obviously there are exceptions to both of those rules, Batman, Robin, Thor, Hulk, etc. But in general, these rules apply

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@icemav5740 you know batman I'd literally so good he made an armour that is the most advanced and can change The person entirely

[@xavierdorsey1473]

I just assumed Barry touching her so lightly was because he didn’t want to shatter her bones.

[@lag00n54]

And whiplash

[@brent1222]

Snyder talked about that and that he didnt like the idea that flash can just grab someone and move them with ease. So that is part of it too. Same way his shoes tear apart because they cant handle his speed.

[@HAWXLEADER]

@Bermuda Triangle You could use the superman excuse he moves using a special force that doesn't apply acceleration to a point but accelerates them as a whole, so no whiplash and stuff...

[@jasonalen7459]

@@HAWXLEADER Speed Force physics and all, best handwave for speedsters

[@HAWXLEADER]

@@jasonalen7459 yep

[@IftiAlam1999]

I demand a part 2 of this episode. They haven't reviewed Darkseid CGI yet. Steppy and Uxas grabbing a handful of soil.

[@dantefromdevilmaycry9857]

and The Speed force scene with Flash!

[@jonporter7709]

How bout Supermans suit, the one worn on set was blue and red they cged the damn suit

[@TheWartechgaming]

not to mention the speed force scene man

[@TheWartechgaming]

@@jonporter7709 they didn't cged it though, just color graded it

[@AmoghTimsina]

oh yes, please!!!! Part 2 would be awesome. Make Ifti's comment the most liked one!!!

[@theenviornmentartist2475]

How is literally no one talking about the two major flash scenes? Where he saves people from the rocks and reverses time. To me they are some of the best vfx I've ever seen. So much going on in there.

[@Apexapee]

He moves so fast saving those people, yet the way the film/vfx it shows every second and frame so detailed

[@25Dario93]

12:15 That exact moment you realized you're too absorbed by the film that you've already forgotten to analyze the VFX 🤣

[@HawksNestYT]

I feel like I haven’t seen Freddie in forever!

[@Helltryk]

Reekoil

[@Helltryk]

I don't know why I did that but i did

[@SUPERVERSEgaurav]

Guys i just dropped the 2nd episode of my Justice league mini series . Please do see it . And drop a review comment 🙏

[@brycegladwin8087]

if you want more of him, he has a great DnD podcast called Dungeons and Daddies.

[@maineman5757]

#restorethesnyderverse

[@LUINEITOR360]

I need a part 2 of this for the flash reverse time scene 😭😭🥶 please! 🥴

[@WIEIRDO]

I came here only to see that and i couldn't ;-;

[@theblade1251]

They atleast include the part flash saving iris

[@Juaneco-ni4sh]

This x2

[@BudaSparks]

Jskskaka agüevo, el luneitor xd

[@anf182]

Exactly 😢😢😢

[@RohitandKanu]

SOOO many scenes not spoken about. Please do a part 2.

[@thefilmstudent9852]

I follow you guys . You guys produce best romantic short comedy . And now I know that you are Snyder fan makes me very happy .

[@TBS.tudios]

@@thefilmstudent9852same!!

[@TishieMcTashie]

Surprised that they didn't talk about the shot with Flash saving the group of hostages from falling rubble, his run, him reversing time, as well as the CGI doubles of the cast, finally seeing how fast WW moves in that rescue scene, and how did they not comment on Iris' face looking like a mannequin when she's meant to be being flung out of a car? 🤣😬

[@paulgibbon5991]

She did seem remarkably chill with it, didn't she?

[@RavTokomi]

I thought a nice CG detail was when Darkseid was underwater, the heat from his eyes caused the water around them to boil.

[@shubhamuraon3552]

I noticed that too

[@Siddhantkumar245]

He killed Aquaman and then smiled at the camera

[@Overneed-Belkan-Witch]

Not Boiled, instantly vaporized

[@MasterReady12]

Where was the scene where darkseid puts his hand on Superman's shoulder

[@Beantbeantbeant]

@@KerioFive 14:42

[@volrogue]

Surprised they didn't talk about the Speed Force scene. That scenes lives rent free in my head

[@JonathonPrieston]

Yeah that whole sequence is in my mind one of if not the greatest scenes in a Superhero movie

[@cameronappleton1728]

That wasnt the speed force

[@the11thhour44]

That scene was so goddamn beautiful, but it got me questioning tho. I was kinda confused at what Barry was running towards (the galaxy-looking thing). I understood it as the center of the Anti-Life explosion, but it kinda baffled me that the explosion turned its immediate surroundings into what looked like the vacuum of space. On the other hand, I also understood it as Barry running so fast, past the speed of light, that he semi enters the Speed Force. Could make sense, considering it is said to be one of the foundational force of the universe, so it looks like a galaxy. I dunno. Point is, the scene is cool but I'm not big-brain enough to understand it on the spot.

[@gunshotslinger]

@@the11thhour44 It's not the Anti Life, just the Mother Box doing its thing. The Flash only need surface to run on but he can't run in vacuum of space hence ground forming on his feet.

[@JakeTS1992]

Same

[@TibbyProductions]

Woah I haven't even watched the Snyder cut yet, I had no idea they completely re-did Steppenwolf. He looks so sick in the Snyder cut! His armor is incredible. Weta is so friggin talented

[@michaelwoods7770]

I was actually blown away with how much different the two films were. And the fact I say the two films and mean they are different films is nuts. This was an amazing film.

[@agustinra1007]

You can tell Nico is a real expert every time he explains something

[@drewlop]

Huge respect for both Nico's depth of knowledge and his ability to render it understandable to a lay audience. This channel has actually deepened my appreciation for the play of light just walking around out in the real world lol

[@fruitbag]

Knowledgeable people tell you things. Wise people help you understand things.

[@dizeruchaiyoji_5780]

Thats why nico is the best boss

[@universemevito]

Yeeees

[@dracoreiner4790]

Both nico and wren pal. Cuz they are the geniuses

[@3DPrintingNerd]

Just thinking about the near future when I can see Peter's vision of what Superman's mustache should gives me hope.

[@Proxyincognito]

Its the moustache we need, not the moustache we deserve..

[@DrazerTM]

Anything Peter gives me hope

[@Raymal100]

They should have just given him the beard after reshoots for Josstice (and the mullet). Sure a bit of a darker look but I think adding hair is probably easier than removing it.

[@markjames8603]

@@Raymal100 if the mullet was good enough for Nick Cage for Superman Lives then #ReleaseTheHirsuteCut!!

[@rohanimations]

Lol I tried a mustache removal with EbSynth but the results were... probably worse than the Josstice League 😂

[@nomticholas]

Man I freaking love Freddie. What a genuine, passionate guy

[@desedits6792]

14:28 aw man they missed the other fact that he can’t forcefully touch her and move her so fast or else she would’ve been like ripped to shreds

[@lowres96]

So we're just not gonna talk about how expressive Steppenwolf's eyes are?

[@Shadow_Sketch]

When i first saw the new steppenwolf my first thought was why is he cute like a puppy, anyone else. Lol

[@lowres96]

@Dedy Fitra Y. Sinaga He's basically a pug 😂

[@BeeWhistler]

That was one of the things that drew me in. His face was so mobile and expressive in the Snyder cut.

[@TheJanvicgwaps]

Cute puppy eyes 😍😍😍

[@andreashofmann4556]

He looks on the verge of cryings the entire movie basically.

[@vanguard7947]

I think Barry being gentle with her was more of a fact that, at least story wise, was to make sure he didn’t just snap her neck or spice because he’s moving so fast and would be applying a hell of a lot of force.

[@yippykiyay89]

Yes, he didn't want to A-train her

[@starblaze5813]

"What are you doing?" "I'm holding your neck so you don't get whiplash. "What?" "Whip. Laaash."

[@Pieceoreece]

We all know that spices are far too expensive to just have some lil supe come snap them at thousands of mph

[@thisisfreakinggayy]

今天

[@godbornplus]

Thought story wise, shouldn’t the speed force stop that?

[@Cadollan]

I find it matching at 11:16 who he says "Zack Snyder is so in love with the human body..." followed by a slow motion shot of Brooke Ence. I appreciate showing all the details, including the trainer for all the amazons. One of the few that is actually so ripped and strong that you do not need to do anything but show here moving in slow motion to make it believable that she is a super human warrior.

[@marshallislandsg5630]

14:20 That's just bunch of BS. The reason why Flash doesn't hold her with his hands and just nudges her with fingers is because he is moving super fast. If he held her like how normally we would, that would just break her bones. It's not because of the CGI behind the scenes reason like the middle guy mentioned.

[@AstaIsAMonster]

Exactly 💪🏽

[@BooneRanger]

My favorite part is how they spent more time freaking out over a stick instead of the massive building and cliff collapse

[@cptobvious1228]

@Hai Lpoai you got a 👎 from me, i can imagine how many you have because you hide it hahahah your life must be so sad.

[@WookieFragger]

My favorite part is how shortly after that, they misspelled Zack Snyder's last name. Brilliant VFX artists...but still fallible human beings. Magnificent.

[@raspberrymuffin9997]

One thing I've never seen people talk is how Steppenwolf's face look so real. You can see his eye talk and feel the emotions just by looking his face. It looks so good.

[@jesselioce]

yeah, i actually felt bad for the guy. You could see the pain in his face

[@reaperinplays2173]

@@jesselioce He just wanna go home!!

[@TimecraftGamingSjors]

Honestly, his eyes threw me off big time. It felt like puppy eyes, too big for the character. Just slightly, but it's there. And If you see him so much, well... I can't unsee it now

[@MiniMackeroni]

The fact that he had actual emotions and a... motivation(!) was so surprising. I don't know if it's face tracking or just fantastic animation, but when Darkseid basically berates him, he looks genuinely... sad. Because all he wants in life is to earn the respect of his idol and be free. I might be misremembering this, but when he has the motherboxes, I can't stop but think that he looked so happy, almost giddy, which is weird to say for a DCEU villain, yet it would fit. Because he has an actual personality.

[@SerenGetter]

Alot of it involved resized the face, and making the helmet draw its attention to the eyes, his new eyes are humongous and very easy to read, and his new silouette is very easy to read its overall body language.

[@DigigodGamer]

seeing ppl appreciate snyder work is so great to see. im tried of the discourse about him hes cares about his movies and characters so much. it goes over the heads of nerds. Snyder is a goat for a reason

[@idk-fe2qe]

Wren when seeing the awesome fight scenes: I guess it’s kinda cool Wren sees a stick: OH MY GOD! THATS AMAZING!

[@Bwaatiss]

I was literally rewinding scenes to watch Steppenwolf's armor do shit; like when it breaks off the Amazon arrows stuck in him, the spikes moving and reacting to certain actions/scenes. It's like his armor was a separate being with its own mind, similar to Doc Ock's tentacles in Spiderman 2.

[@kobochy8108]

Mother box technology...you're right it's sentient. The mother boxes and technology made from the mother boxes are living machines. It's why Blue Beetle and Cyborg have issues from time to time.

[@robertlaidlaw4592]

also for once in a superhero movie Armour does sth, i know tony stark Armour does, but thats his entire super power basically Armour that makes his a superhero.

[@vigilant3263]

would love to have armor like that. a nice little damper for my ocd/adhd

[@arbinbasnet9566]

Waited for this. Hope Godzilla vs Kong will also be done by the crew. They have done great CGI imo

[@RusticVisuals]

I just got a sound system in my place, and having the subwoofer when listening to kongs heartbeat was awesomee

[@andrewdickens7016]

I thought Godzilla vs kong had terrible cgi

[@AtomicEditsYT]

@@andrewdickens7016 what the heck it had like one of the best

[@harshitajakiya]

I was just going to comment this 🤣

[@JeffZ1028]

@@andrewdickens7016 Define, "terrible" 🤣

[@Carstuff111]

The Snyder Cut of Justice League brought back THE main thing that was missing from the Josstice League....emotional impact. Snyder is a master at making me emotional in comic book movies.... and that is a HUGE thing to me! The Josstice League movie, I felt nothing, I could not really even enjoy it. The Snyder cut though, I had tears in my eyes at times, and why Joss and the WB thought it was okay to pull out all the emotional parts of this movie is beyond me.

[@curlyfried3117]

I'd love to see you guys break down many more scenes with Zack himself. That would be so cool!

[@MooseMoosely]

Most people: I'd love to see the behind the scenes of the giant fights or explosions CG Artists: ｐｕｄｄｌｅ

[@srsgoblin]

This stick is the greatest unsolved mystery of our time.

[@jeevankumar3212]

I think you can invite zack Snyder himself because he even giving interviews to small channels

[@Kaspleen]

Yes, he needs to know how much people have appreciated what he has done with this cut

[@Mavakor]

That would be cool

[@mattbecker743]

Cause he's desperate

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

@@mattbecker743 cause he isn’t an asshole and is a people person.

[@ashb7]

@@mattbecker743 Oh come on, I wasn't a fan of any of his movies before ZSJL, but credit where it's due, he seems like a genuinely good person who everybody seemed to enjoy working with. Especially compared to Whedon who's a massive fucking creep. Snyder went through a devastating loss and was then screwed over by WB, even if he was desperate to get this made it's totally understandable.

[@At0mS8]

I'm two weeks late to the party but there's actually another instance of a movie that was done and released twice, and that would be the prequel to The Exorcist. I haven't seen any of the two versions of that movie, but the story of how that happened is interesting by itself.

[@saram3449]

I just want to know what the creative decision was in removing the kpop music video from Barry’s screen was lmao

[@MusicGuyFK]

Wasn’t removed. Snyder Cut is the original. So Whedon added KPop

[@sauce1302]

Kpop is no more!

[@Difibulo]

Bro Freddie just drops the fact that his dad swam 8 hours in the last 10 seconds of this video

[@sauceberg720]

That story is NUTS!

[@mattcelder]

They did him dirty leaving that until after the 3 minute ad break

[@pathologicaldoubt]

RIP Hong Kong 😔

[@christinademps374]

exactly like that's crazy

[@deannemphos84]

I still think the best change in the Snyder Cut was the end credits scene of Aquaman aggressively making out with an orca. A little gratuitous but it really rounded out the experience for me.

[@diezeeshoodie]

And the look on Mera’s face.

[@rhoeginearaza2647]

What is orca?

[@rainitygmd]

@@rhoeginearaza2647 a killer whale

[@MichaelSBaram]

@@rainitygmd *whale killer actually, common mistake.

[@thelastmethbender7385]

U forgot the mid credit scene where Superman raped Batman in the knighmare sequence. Justified that R Rating in the end.

[@TibbyProductions]

Snyder's cut also actually takes into account the weight of the characters movements, whereas Whedon just did away with that, which in turn removed all the build-up but also the intensity and weight of the moments in the movie

[@ScooterinAB]

That's probably because Snyder was allowed to double the run time. When you have to cut together a film this dense, you have to make cuts.

[@henryflores3602]

That's the whole point of this video 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Joshhh.c]

Fun fact actually, Snyder himself shot it at 4:3 at the start. It was Whedon who cropped it to fit the widescreen ideal.

[@Brody04]

“I feel like Steppenwolf’s name would be Brody” My name is Brody Me: Yeah. We kinda look alike.

[@fuengerclez8075]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHetY3SElKiNfpo

[@eefneleman9564]

Bro. Really?

[@phatlewt2932]

hey Brody

[@critter42]

Freddie: "Movies just don't go back to revisit their stuff" Every Star Wars fan ever: "HAN SHOT FIRST!"

[@DaviniaHill]

If Greedo never returns fire then it isn't Han shooting first, it's only Han shoots.

[@635574]

@@DaviniaHill its a statement about the first version, so technically correct

[@fostena]

@@DaviniaHill exactly, Han is the only one who shoots

[@ronpetersen2317]

I just can't stand the Han walks on Jaba's tail scene. Jaba is a mobster ... a mobster would have someone killed for that.

[@rgb1996]

han shoots in the lego game too

[@asylumjack5484]

Honest Snyders cut is my fave movie of all time the Visual affects are absolutely stunning

[@jocosesonata]

8:48 - I just like how this is the shot that made them go "Oh yeah..."

[@MrGittz]

I love how they mention WETA over and over, meanwhile Scanline did like 1000 shots in 6 months and doesn’t get a whisper

[@LorenzoDoesntExist]

Not to disparage Scanline, but what Weta accomplished in their time is a bigger achievement than what Scanline did in their time. Both achieved a lot. Why do you sound salty about Weta? Is it too mainstream to acclaim one of the greatest VFX companies of all time?

[@langitkensahaja125]

Because they know their weta's supervisor personally, they have a friend there

[@claynorth964]

@@LorenzoDoesntExist they should have at least mentioned it. nothing salty about pointing out they just ignored who did a lot of work.

[@nathanyocum4845]

@@LorenzoDoesntExist No one is salty about Weta but Scanline should have been mentioned. Doesn't matter if their incredible achievements are slightly less incredible.

[@LorenzoDoesntExist]

@@claynorth964 This is a KZbin channel where some guys talk about what they like. They weren't snubbed for an award.

[@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777]

Snyder's appreciation and eye for human poses is very similar to an animator's

[@kloonst]

He's a Fine Arts graduate

[@ahmadjalal5017]

HUTAO!

[@TheRealAbraxas]

He used to be a cinematographer before he was a director. His mom was a painter and photographer.

[@PHBD02]

Loved this video! Really like when people appreciates snyders work and efforts.

[@jackpackage4278]

For the first hour I watched this movie I didn’t really like the 4:3 ratio. After a while tho I stopped noticing it and then by the end of the movie I was obsessed with it. It’s probably not right for every movie but for the Snydercut, there was something very special and appropriate about it. Later on, I noticed BvS Ultimate Cut had the big battle scene with the 4:3 ratio and now I just love it man. For a comic book movie it just seems so right.

[@Xeno1001]

“Legend of The Guardians: The Owls of Ga’Hoole” directed by Zack Snyder, 2010, day 103.

[@Black_Clyod]

Umm good movie

[@jammygamer8961]

@@Black_Clyod could of been significantly better tho. But i feel as its very likely the studio was the one who made Snyder very drastically reduce the story and remove a lot of the violence

[@theextremeanimator4721]

XD That would be awesome!

[@ndo533]

@@jammygamer8961 seems that's the story of his entire career. His vision was made for streaming. Less studio interference. They freak out on his films and butcher the theatrical release. They need to jus let the guy do his thing

[@justinmedeiros1725]

@@jammygamer8961 big time, movie plot was a let down in comparison to the books, still salty to this day about that one lol

[@stanshatter3875]

Snyder's Steppenwolf felt so real when he stepped in that puddle.

[@106640guy]

Steppenpuddle

[@huptup]

@@106640guy perfect

[@Director_Oompaloompa]

Puddenwolf

[@aishikmukherjee8438]

Steponpuddle

[@ericpeterson8732]

Pattern recognition. Humans are so good at this.

[@lukeleonard6604]

I honestly would love you guys to do a whole breakdown comparing them

[@akshatsharan3345]

Does anyone else feel absolutely helpless when you can't talk about how awesome the vfx are of a movie with your friends since most of them have no idea what you're seeing? lol

[@abhishekvaru]

Me... A Lottt ....

[@maineman5757]

#restorethesnyderverse

[@jcdundrums3852]

It's the worse

[@ShivamPatel-yq7rr]

There are literally people and my friends who complained that cgi in Snydercut is bad. From what I have heard experts and little of my knowledge the cgi is flawless. It's incredible how much effort they put and that too in a period of 7 months

[@cmere9141]

I know, they just take it for granted (also the music and set-, costumedesign etc. and just want to be entertained) - and don't think about it too much or at all. I have to say that some cgi is good and some is bad, but is mostly good - so oversimplyfied it's good; to me.

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

I liked Snyder's version of Steppenwolf, he actually looks alien. I thought the idea of the metal spikes/scales moving with the wind or when he moved was a really cool concept. Kudos to whoever came up with the design. EDIT: the designer is Jerad S. Marantz.

[@the11thhour44]

Jerad S. Marantz was the concept artist for ZSJL (among other things). Go follow him on insta, it's a treat

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

@@the11thhour44 Thanks I will check him out

[@stephenpudjiadi3704]

I just feel like something not often talked about is how the Snyder cut's far longer run time allow's him to really express his creativity, with slow-motion visual effects and more character development that most director's do not the luxury to have. It makes you wonder if this longer run time is the better way for movies to go forward especially for streamed movies! Like imagine how other movies could be greater with this longer run time.

[@ahappyklingon3631]

Dude there was countless dragged out scenes over use of slow motion which didn't make Flash's scenes special. Quicksilver's moments in the xmen films stood out. There was no need this film to be this long. What was the point of scenes like Alfred mansplaining to Diana how to make tea ...seriously she's a 1000 Years old and lives in London. Absolutely horrible cringe writing 😅 it makes perfect sense why WB interfered, fired him & why not even Discovery wants the Snyderverse to continue.

[@freedomtyrelllight9475]

​@@ahappyklingon3631mansplaining lol bruh, that scene wasn't even long or anything

[@freedomtyrelllight9475]

And Snyder wasn't fired

[@ahappyklingon3631]

@freedomtyrelllight9475 doesn't matter how long it was it was a stupid ass scene regardless. Literally, nobody is surprised this movie never got a sequel & the Snyderverse got canceled.

[@ttc8212]

As someone who was in the VFX dept on set you were 80% correct:) Great video. Id love to see another one.

[@kosanarmax4158]

Wren geeking out about a moment that most don't notice is why this show is so important

[@K2Industries]

We need a part 2 of this 😅 there are so many things left unmentioned

[@OsmanKarca]

Especially flash time travel scene

[@nqobaniitaidube5582]

Yes please

[@Neyodip]

Marvel is better than dc and hack Snyder’s daughter is dead

[@ebrahimmunsif]

@@Neyodip ur a sad little man arent u?

[@vanshprajapati7010]

@@ebrahimmunsif obviously he sad coz he failed to retrieve anti life and got killed by bunch of people in costumes

[@darthmuadib7237]

This is so perfect. And just as Vin stated in a comment below. We need a part 2 maybe 3 and 4. I in no way came up with this idea. Credit goes to the posts before me that mentioned it. And after just this review, you can appreciate the Zack Cut even more. You also highlighted some stuff I didn't even think about when I saw it. Do an episode just on the Knightmare scene. So much going on there. And the question on everyone's mind. Now that you highlighted it. How in the hell did they do that puddle, the mud and the stick?

[@codyt821]

There's only like 15 minutes of Whedons cut in the Snyder Cut. That's crazy to me, and makes me so happy. I truly feel the Snyder Cut is a true superhero masterpiece

[@habelu6267]

Thats not true... both of those statements. Theres more whedon cut in there and the snyder cut is terrible

[@MrImastinker]

@@habelu6267 False.

[@SevenZeroEleven]

There's not actually, the shots that repeat from the first movie to the second where shots Snyder already did that whedon used in combination with his own

[@SevenZeroEleven]

@@habelu6267 lol dumbass whedon used Snyder's footage the "more whedon footage in there" was all footage Snyder shot that whdeon ended up using. The movie has 0 shots from the whedon cut 🤡🤡

[@joebloggs1558]

@@SevenZeroEleven what they're saying is not that snyder used 15 minutes of footage from the reshoots that whedon did, but that in the 4 hour snyder cut, only 15 minutes of footage from the 2017 film exist. All 15 minutes were shot by snyder, which whedon then used in the 2017 film

[@celestialspartan1176]

About Steppenwolf in the Snyder Cut, the cool thing about his armor is that some of the pieces move around like they have a life of their own. It makes his design so much more unique and interesting. Edit: When I made this comment, I forgot to mention that this detail makes him look far more animalistic and almost feral.

[@karnasingh860]

And how does that adds to him being a good villain ? 😂

[@cheprii-1441]

@@karnasingh860 I guess it doesnt, but it definitely makes him more interesting to look at

[@celestialspartan1176]

@@cheprii-1441 I’m just stating an observation.

[@Vesohag]

@@karnasingh860 not that, but the changes to his original dialogues and his goals are what makes him a good/better villain. The look helps to makes him look like the real threat he is.

[@BeeWhistler]

I thought they might talk about how it all seems to settle down during calmer moments, like fur on a cat.

[@brae.mayall]

"Zack Snyder is obsessed with the human body" Freddie is obsessed with Zack Snyder's obsession with the human body

[@DSTrystanJ]

You guys have such fantastic attention to detail, and such a great ability to identify and analyse the most minuscule/subtle things, but somehow typed "Synder" in the part 3 intro.

[@hexational105]

Typos, not even they can escape it

[@vernongriesel3910]

Saw that too.. was waiting for the joke. Nope, just a regular typo.

[@mattavernier2479]

4:21 it's actually the opposite the image was originally shot in 4:3 but its upper and lower parts have been removed to fit in 16:9

[@jschools1392]

Me: “oh yeah they’re probably going to talk about how real and lifelike Steppenwolfs eyes look” CC: “LOOK AT THE MUD ON HIS FEET AND THE FOOT IN THE PUDDLE”

[@DivvayKhatri]

I'm mad that they didn't react to that shot of Steppenwolf's face closeup

[@jammygamer8961]

@@DivvayKhatri there so much that they could of covered. Still happy with the video tho

[@avenger_j]

CC: "I wonder if that stick is real"

[@dedrxbbit7549]

1:20 anybody else notice that the comment cards were in the shape of Superman’s logo?

[@kay0946]

The reason that flash touches her very softly and carefully(in the movie) is that he is doing that in high speed so if you put even a small pressure to the human body with that speed, it's enough to kill you.

[@blazingstorm9351]

Yep, after watching the boys, we basically don't want another roadkill

[@kushtheone4940]

What do you think happened to Barry after he time travelled, at the end of his time travelling scene we saw him about to crash into cyborg at faster than light speeds but then it cut to cyborgs mind.

[@Dxntoo]

@@kushtheone4940 he phased. probably. because he phased during the explosion of the unity and all the rocks when through him.

[@4cmd]

the speed force protects barry and everything he touches from damage theyd receive during those high speeds. the same reason why the earth doesnt explode when he runs faster than the speed of light. sadly snyder didnt like that fact about him lol

[@Dxntoo]

@@4cmd tbf we never really know the proper reason on why Barry held her so softly.

[@Ordanborniv]

I figured Flash had to treat the girl gently because... y'know, superspeed, breaking bones with sudden g-forces and vector changes. Things like that.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

That's the logic behind his powers, in practical terms they mean not touching her so much it would make the cgi harder to execute.

[@chronomatt6990]

You are correct. If not careful, he could have killed her.

[@dianasayson2846]

molecular whiplash

[@ttm77777]

its usually cannon with the flash that this isnt the case but its an interesting take for this version

[@Joe-ww8uw]

The Flash: **gently grabs and pulls people away from danger** Quicksilver: **yanks people and throws them around to rescue them**

[@thatscottishguy4081]

The best difference for me with the Snyder version is darkside shooting the bolt underwater and it spells “end”.

[@Frey-Doh]

Whoever CG’d the hotdogs knew exactly what they were doing 😂 innuendo

[@fysical7643]

DID THEY REALLY NOT REACT TO THE FLASH SCENE We need a solo episode just on that scene, that gave me chills, shit.

[@theinvictussamaritan4778]

I think they didn’t want to spoil anything in this video.

[@TheWartechgaming]

@@theinvictussamaritan4778 the movie came out almost a month ago

[@RusticVisuals]

@@TheWartechgaming In my opinion waiting less then a month old is too soon for spoiling. I'd say give it a month

[@trichi827]

@@RusticVisuals It's not even in cinemas, if you care, then you watched it already

[@AvatarFanUno]

@@TheWartechgaming that's very dick-ish and not everybody has access to the movie on the same day

[@randomtangle4629]

Now, the most important question: “Is the stick real?”

[@bersus3360]

Vsauce theme plays....

[@ZNotFound]

Snyder Cut and the Stick of Truth

[@fuengerclez8075]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHetY3SElKiNfpo

[@kyransawhill6650]

It really sticks out.

[@slayzer305]

"Mission impossible mustache edition" 😂😅 made my week

[@tamarakent5972]

The puddle shot was SCANLINE VFX not Weta. Most of the practical puddle was replaced with CG since the human stride was too short for Steppenwolf’s stride. Thank you for noticing the details that went into the Snyder Cut.

[@teddy-fl6hm]

You should give Superman a mullet too, he has one when he comes back in the comics, and apparently Snyder wanted to give him one but WB wouldn’t allow it.

[@darkgamersupreme2348]

He said if they wanted it gone for any reason, taking it out would be too hard

[@MartinWasTaken]

@@darkgamersupreme2348 This is true, the mullet would have been too hard to remove, had it not work out. Superman's suit is also colored black in the post, that's easy to reverse to blue.

[@mistamemewide]

I would like to point out one more thing about Steppenwolf’s Snydercut Armor: it conveys more emotion about Steppenwolf. A prime example would be the FaceTime with Darkseid. His armor would retract a bit from his face to his collarbone as he kneels down to him. It conveys more emotion about Steppenwolf’s Loyalty to Darkseid and how he is entirely desperate to return to his side.

[@TheSmokingSkull]

Actually, it went to his collarbone when Darkseid first showed up, then as Steppenwolf started kneeling, his armor completely retracted to his waist, leaving him bare-chested. Definitely a sign of reverence.

[@KKlawm]

What I think is craziest about reshooting Justice League was a bad movie got recreated so it was a beautifully choreographed, visually stunning, long bad movie with a lame apocalypse, box macguffins, unlikeable superheroes and a bland villain.

[@malfaroangel3896]

Never was a fun of Freddy, until he did VFX react. This guy love for cinema is uncanny

[@markamanic]

"Steppenwolf just looks like a dude!" *checks DC comics* Oh...

[@anarcocapitalistadexiaomi1951]

Yeah, but in the comics, it's a real dude, not an Alien-like Liam Neeson...

[@YoureRightIThink]

@@anarcocapitalistadexiaomi1951 isn't he from apocolypse also? So an alien

[@anarcocapitalistadexiaomi1951]

@@YoureRightIThink No shit...

[@dingle2987]

@@YoureRightIThink He’s an alien, but like other characters from Apocalypse in the comics, he just looks like a human.

[@ZakkWasNotAvailable]

He is a dude in the comics, but here he looks like a 60-year-old man with the skin texture of Spongebob's mom, wearing irregular-patterned medieval light armor, and being built like a regular guy, not Steppenwolf.

[@fleshandcolor]

The Amazonian smashing the column has more (edit *real*) abs than the entire 300 production.

[@francisvincentmingao8118]

True

[@Mr_O]

and a good majority of those abs belong to dead characters who gave their lives for their king & queen.

[@mokshilgada7464]

That's brooke ence who happens to be one of the elite, world class CrossFit athletes.

[@fleshandcolor]

@@mokshilgada7464 Yeah, they looked not fake as fuck.

[@karnasingh860]

Coz they are not actors 😂

[@hollowowlyt]

9:44 9:44 I think the stick is practical just on a servo swinging it forward which is why it bounces at the end

[@UnliRide]

15:34 Holy crap, I thought it was just me feeling something a bit off about Supe's face in the 2017 version.

[@JairusJames]

The reason he touched iris very gingerly is bc he didn't want to kill her with his speed

[@JJFlashDog]

basically whiplash. that would hurt

[@PvtSoab96]

Yeah, but that ties in really well to the making of the effect itself. It makes the artists' job a bit easier and there's justification for it.

[@mapache-ehcapam]

Iris? Is that THE Iris?

[@C-F98]

@@mapache-ehcapam It is Iris West.

[@JonCollinsMedia]

@@mapache-ehcapam yesir

[@AnandMishere]

You guys haven't reacted to the CGI in a crucial scene in the whole Snyder's Cut - Flash, a.k.a Barry making his own future.

[@rickjohnston5069]

Terminator Salvation @128:30 where John Connor comes face-to-face with the new terminator (a young, super jacked Arnold Schwartzenegger). *Also about 2 and a half minutes later when they shoot Arnold with grenade launcher and melt his skin off to reveal his machine body. The molten metal part shortly after is cool too... dude. There’s a lot of wicked VFX in this movie. You’re videos are the best on KZbin btw 🙌

[@mmolchin]

To be fair to the theatrical cut, Steppenwolf in the comics is literally just a human looking dude.

[@maximusprime3459]

Just like most of the New Gods type characters. They look like humans with outlandish fetish armor.

[@frenchyoathbreaker4095]

@@maximusprime3459 That is because the concept of the New Gods was essential Two Worlds, A World of Super-Heroes and a World of Super-Villains. And most of them have visited Earth and played part in its history so they had to look like humans. A lot of them were also inspired from human figures in history and myth. High Father was essentialy Moses.

[@maximusprime3459]

@@frenchyoathbreaker4095 ...ok.

[@eternalblessing4984]

I'm actually happy with that 360 change. His most definitive design is a green suit.

[@desaltez5]

Yeah, he is just a human looking dude, but he doesn't looks like Liam Neeson

[@leohemannstrack5590]

Interviwer: What is you favorite shot in the new Justice League Snyder Cut? Wren: Ohh!! The puddle, 100% best moment.

[@ewa1275]

Srsly tho why would whedon take that masterpiece out😤

[@johnmercuryfrom2009]

mooch no idea 😭

[@huangjun_art]

FUN FACT: Zack Snyder did not need any file naming convention. He had the original IMAX reels of Justice League. He never worked with any of Whedon's footage, or reshot scenes. Snyder never had to worry about any of that, because he was basically finishing up where he left. All he did was finish the VFX, add the original score, restored Steppenwolf to the original design, and added 5 minutes of additional footage.

[@KingKing-tz6of]

2017 Steppenwolf - wicked grandpa in holloween costume 2021 Steppenwolf - Actual Steppenwolf

[@chelsealee144]

It would be super cool to have Matt from WETA (or anyone else who worked on the films) back on the couch to discuss the differences between both cut and how they approached it, etc

[@jason7246]

It's crazy how they did over 2,000 VFX shots in 7 months

[@artemis7093]

😱

[@rezarostamian3197]

2650 shots actually

[@NOSHTO_lokjon]

ultra level vfx in 7 months....shit