VFX Artists React to DUNE Bad & Great CGi

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[@y4k052]

Wow only 4 likes

[@bl00dy.br4inz]

Only 1 reply and 31 likes? What?

[@inv4dead]

what?

[@russwaddel08]

The thing about "space travel" (1984-2021) is that in the actual novel, Frank Herbert had written a chapter about how they traveled from Caladan to Dune. Chilton (the car part manual company who published Dune in 1965) had Frank cut some chapters due to spacing and pacing concerns. You can pick up the book "The Road to Dune" by Brian Herbert and Keven J. Anderson to get many of the cut chapters from Dune and Dune Messiah. So, in the book, at the end of the (3rd or 4th) Chapter (it may actually be later in the book, I haven't read it since 2021 when Dune part one came out), they end on Caladan, and the very next chapter starts on Arrakis (Dune). Which means that the new movie is very much like the book in that respect. Much better than 1984 Lynch Dune.

[@russwaddel08]

No, guys. The spice melange comes from the NEST of the small worms, not the poop.

[@nicksymons635]

Glad you enjoyed our work guys. The ornithopters wings were a true arts project to dial in. In the end to get the phasing and pulsing right, we landed on a 7 frame cycle with 20 substeps. Comp gave it some love too of course. :)

[@nickflig]

Damn impressive stuff, was there a dragonfly nerd on the team? Thank you for bringing such life to my favourite book series.

[@LuisSierra42]

That was amazing

[@namaetrash1567]

Amazing job bro 👏🏼

[@Anselwithmac]

Thank you from the deepest parts of my soul

[@crazyninja22656]

You brought one of my favorites to life. Thank you. 🙏

[@dampersand]

I was so impressed with Dune's effects AFTER I finished it, because that's when I realized I hadn't noticed them for the entire movie. Everything felt completely real from start to finish.

[@ScreenTalker]

Personally I think that’s what makes effects great is that you don’t notice them and it feels real

[@irishbruse]

@@ScreenTalker 100% it shouldnt take you out of the world that they create.

[@hapagnafjebccusnrvekti8376]

True, color correction on that movie also clutches a lot

[@saurabhraj2027]

Wow.. the overreaction in this comment 🤢

[@gamesetlive]

For me, I was taken out a little on the bigger shots of the Arrakis city. It looked a little plastic-like, but overall I whole-heartedly agree!

[@neelzen9975]

To everyone who worked on Dune: THANK YOU for the experience. You did the books and Frank Herbert justice.

[@StrandgaZt]

It was way too dramatic and slow. Fighting felt like a game with red and green colours.

[@tandersb]

It's one of the few film experiences that caused me to like the book more based on virtue of the movie.

[@freddym99]

you are welcome

[@Lo-opss]

​@@StrandgaZtyou're objectively wrong

[@squaeman_2644]

Gonna be honest the siege of the Atreides and the Energy shields had CGI that looked like it was from the 80s... Also the siege was just boring and visually unimpressive...

[@DanielTejnicky]

Well in new dune they didnt "get rid" of the travelling sequence, there wasnt really any in the books to begin with. David Lynch added it in his movie. But in the books they are basically loading up the ships and chapter ends and they've arrived at the destination describing the palace. There's only a mention of the guild. xD

[@sdog1234]

lame, we need at least one hyper space jump c'mon.

[@DanielTejnicky]

@@sdog1234 Nope not even reliqery drive jump.

[@sdog1234]

@@DanielTejnicky A futuristic space movie supposedly that inspired Star Wars with the plot about a spice that is used for space travel - not actually showing the spice being used for said space travel even once. Still a masterpiece but that fact is lame to me.

[@DanielTejnicky]

@@sdog1234 yep Not about that xD

[@sdog1234]

@@DanielTejnicky rip

[@OverlySarcasticProductions]

Dune (1984) DELIBERATELY made the shields look like that?? damn, I'll accuse that movie of a lot but at least it committed to the bit -R

[@randomcommenter7343]

They were clearly sourcing the effect from ancient texts about... Sacred geometry or something. Come on, you guys like history, you should know this! :D

[@YeOldeAccount27]

@@randomcommenter7343 Euclidean Geometry of a color never seen before XD

[@mrcroob8563]

Yeah it's bold to deliberately make your movie look worse!

[@foxxxxx]

Like, considering they did that by hand, they could have achieved something so much nicer. Why limit the freedom of hand drawing the shield if you're just copying the most primitive and ugly CGI. Seems like wasted potential from the effort put in.

[@Theblueipod2012]

Hey, what's up OSP didn't expect to find you guys here. Hope you're doing well.

[@scottmanley]

Once Dune Part Two is released I hope you return to 1984 Dune.

[@zxbc1]

Until then, fly safe!

[@talonhawke1820]

Scott Manley in da comments?

[@brysonfrank6476]

Scott “The Man”ely? Here? Noice!

[@Real28]

Scott Manley has spoken.

[@EmpiresEGG]

It’s just better Said no one ever

[@matthewfountain2721]

6:26 It is true to the book! Herbert doesn't describe how they travel from Caladan to Arrakis. I believe Lynch developed his scene from other Herbert novels.

[@fxst123]

In the first book the guild using the highliners to transport multiple ships is explained just not very detailed and probably in a later scene once they are already on arrakis.

[@Thuktun]

If I remember correctly, in the book if a lasgun beam hits a shield, it will result in a nuclear explosion somewhere between the lasgun projector and the shield emitter, including possibly within one or the other. This was very risky for both the attacker and defender, so this was usually avoided at all costs.

[@Thuktun]

I vaguely remember the explosion being at one or both of the shield and lasgun emitters, but checking the Dune Encyclopedia highlights that the explosion occurs at the center of the projected field due to collapse of the shield. This wouldn't have caused anyone to stop using lasguns, instead they'd just fire at shield emplacements from a distance to clear them, then move in.

[@masemoney666]

@@Thuktun i mean, nuclear explosions are dangerous regardless and cause a ton of waste (where you don't want to move into). it still absolutely works as a deterrent.

[@Kodaiva]

nuclear explosions themselves don't create waste, that's just a bi-product of fission bombs' radioactive material being spread@@masemoney666

[@fallinginthed33p]

​@@masemoney666 I think the size of the projected field matters. Hitting a shield covering a spaceship would result in a hundred kiloton explosion which would vaporize the target and the gunner.

[@juancabardo21]

dang paul didn’t need Atreides atomics he just needed to get the Harkonnens to snipe him from a distance

[@MrDevintcoleman]

This kind of thing makes me thankful that Peter Jackson’s LotR came out when it did. It was in a perfect time to use visual and practical effects that still hold up great almost a couple decades later, and Dune, this time, could come to life in ways it never could have previously.

[@skylx0812]

LOTR made other IPs self conscious. Even John Williams began trying to sound like Howard Shore in the SW prequel soundtracks. And costume design went big. Big poofy gowns, big uniforms and amor. The Syfi Dune miniseries had outrageous gaudy costumes. Everyone was trying to look like LOTR. And in 3d rendering everyone was churning out blond, nordic looking fantasy elves and fairies.

[@TheTeddyIsALiar]

@@skylx0812 Ah man those outrageously gaudi costumes are one of the best parts of that series.

[@PferdOne]

Pippin ridding on Ents looked like shit even back then. Good movies no question, but it isnt and even wasnt all great regarding vfx.

[@1.4142]

@@thomasbecker9676 we don't talk about that

[@Dan_Yerlll]

@@skylx0812 dude the prequels came out BEFORE Lotr lol

[@philiphartshorn]

Dune was a visual masterpiece, still can’t get over the liquifying sand, I knew you guys would love that effect!

[@larrykipkemoi6958]

Bro, are you gigachad

[@ea-do2pw]

Both visuals and sounds were incredibly well designed. The film was so appealing to watch.

[@Luka1180]

I wish the colours were more red and orange though.

[@julianriviera5837]

@@larrykipkemoi6958 nah he's an awesome gamer and short film maker

[@lianbrown157]

@@larrykipkemoi6958 Honest question: wtf does that even mean "gigachad"? I can't find it in the Galach dictionary

[@ronniestanley75]

My favorite thing that was done in the new movie was the Fremen tents and the devices that arranged the sand particles and allowed them to hide in the sand. In the book, those items were important to the storyline. And, I didn't think the Lynch version communicated it very well. I wish that he would've had the backing to do the books justice because I think his vision of Dune is so well done.

[@zonesproductions]

I just watched Dune and I have to say it's so rare these days for a super solid scifi film to exist. I really enjoyed it and can't wait to see the next one. Really satisfying.

[@squareroots6003]

Everytime i see one of those "cut out" scenes where something is close and something is far,... It blows my mind, it is amazing how creative people are, especially if limited by the absence of computers.

[@mecampbell30]

Unintentional Dune lore reference.

[@markfergerson2145]

CC also did "Darby O'Gill and ne the Little People" with a very similar scene done with the same technique, just as mind blowing.

[@ZNotFound]

@@ccriztoff Why are you spamming the comment section with the same message?

[@DoctorNemmo]

It’s like they had VFX mentats for that shot.

[@rimurutempest4945]

I’d argue the limitations are actually what made them so creative, since there wasn’t any way to make it easier.

[@SparseS17]

As a 22 year old I feel like watching Dune 2021 is the closest I will come to experiencing what it was like to see A New Hope in '77.

[@ISetYourFaceOnFire]

holy shit....visually yes....unfortunately what let me down was I didn't feel emotionally connected to any of the characters or what was going on. It was the only thing missing for me. This was just my experience ofcourse.

[@patreekotime4578]

@@ISetYourFaceOnFire I am hoping for a directors cut that restores the pacing that is clearly missing.

[@fredbd100]

More like Lord of the rings for the first time. It just isn't the same scale. Obviously Star Wars is aiming at something way less epic than Dune or LoTR are doing.

[@TheJoshtheboss]

@@ISetYourFaceOnFire It's the same way with the 1st half of the book too. Which is is more less this 1st movie. The second half is much better.

[@garscow]

I feel like it was closer to 2001 A Space Odyssey than SW: Ep4. Visually incredible. But difficult to watch without some understanding of the material.

[@brynntannehill8912]

You briefly touched on it, but the art direction, set design, and costume design for Dune 1984 was (generally) AMAZING. In some cases, when I watched Dune 2021, I wished that they'd held on to a few more of the elements that made Dune 1984 feel like an old universe full of empire and intrigue like Europe in 1914.

[@RiceCubeTech]

This movie and Bladerunner 2049 has some of the best effects, color palettes, set design, and cinematography. Two of my favorite films ona visual basis

[@shadesilverwing0]

Not to mention the soundtracks, both composed by the legendary Hanz Zimmer. The post-modern geometric architecture used in in Bladerunner 2049 is a style I'd like to have my future house built after, if I'm ever able to afford it.

[@Reguwudo]

New Dune feels like a passion project which is why I love it. They spent so much time focusing on the finer details which, imo, always helps a film. Making sci-fi look real is the best feeling ever and immerses you so much.

[@LuxFerre4242]

You can tell from the way Villneuve speaks it is exactly that. Also, I'm sure I read somewhere, when he was asked what his dream project would be, his answer was instantly Dune.

[@pistolero9836]

It's Game of Thrones in space although GoT actually showed some civilians.

[@Amy_Dunn]

Nothing sells Scifi better than world building

[@TheBashar327]

Spent so much time on the details they forgot the story and character-building. Don't get me wrong I like the new movie but they sacrificed a lot of the storytelling aspect for the visuals.

[@RandomnessCreates]

@@TheBashar327 You can't cram Dune in its entirety. The doctor had to be sacrifices.

[@tommullinerart]

The way the new Dune has been shot and crafted is why we still go to the cinema in the age of Netflix etc - epic film deserves BIG screens.

[@hazonku]

And not even just big screens, but specifically IMAX. There are shots that would absolutely hit differently if you don't see it in IMAX. It's the few times any director has said, "You should see this in IMAX." And wasn't full of shit.

[@irlzy]

Yesss saw Dune at the Imax with laser in the TCL Chinese Theater and my body wasn't ready

[@max.the.imperor]

@@Feroce i was lucky enough to see it during a break in lockdown during working hours. So there were only my friends and 4 other people in the whole room!

[@ogrimzyz8643]

@@ccriztoff films bad though

[@ogrimzyz8643]

@@ccriztoff no, the new dune is well made, that’s why it’s so impressive. Dune 1984, while it has a place in my heart, is wank.

[@Immortals1984]

The shot of the shield bombs is golden. Give the film makers a lot of credit for how they created the effects of the bombs slowly penetrating the shield before blowing up, awesome

[@ddevil4980]

Explaining the Dune universe to someone is extremely difficult because there is sooooo much to it. Its easier to explain A song of ice and fire and that has a massive backstory as well.

[@GacPrime]

That Shaq edit was a thing of beauty.

[@wilkes5062]

highly underrated

[@Cjoudan]

Can I just get a clip of that moment.

[@bait5257]

Lmao

[@lxcarreon]

Yes truly

[@smr_owl]

7:04

[@tyguy6296]

I can't even express how happy and relieved I am that Dune 2021 was so good. I'm 100% sure that this would have been the last attempt for decades if it had turned out bad, and the fact that they did such a great job just fills me with joy

[@teqqqie8991]

Yeah, I really hope that they go through with the plan for sequels. This is filling the hole that awful Star Wars sequels have left in my heart.

[@Now_Time_For_Science]

Worked on a lot of the sets and assest for this one, glad you guys approve of all our hard work, and the rest of the guys in those pipelines. Lots and lots of people and lots and lots of time well spent, all contributed to these beautiful shots and scenes, very proud to be a part of that. Personally I love the final result, and it was a privilege to work on this project. 🙏 (Nice clip of Blade Runner 2049, which we also worked on 😂).

[@Mayakran]

All absolutely fantastic movies. Inspirational to me to start my own career in film, actually.

[@Now_Time_For_Science]

@Mayakran O, nice! Any particular area of the industry? Any particular part of the world?

[@Mayakran]

@@Now_Time_For_Science honestly it’s been quite the task narrowing it down, and I love aspects of production design but my dream would be to write and/or direct. That is so cool that you got to work on these movies. A KZbin comment section isn’t exactly the place to have a conversation about this kind of thing, unfortunately, or I’d ask you more about your experiences, how you got started, what other projects you’ve worked on, etc. Keep up the good work, though! Millions of people certainly seem to appreciate it!

[@Now_Time_For_Science]

@Mayakran I got started by learning a ton of 3D programs and taking up photography. Then emailed a company and asked them for a job. Offering to do 2 week work unpaid to prove my worth to them. That was almost a decade ago 🤗. If your thinking of writing and directing I'd say get in as a runner for a bit so you can get on set and see what that's like, also get into photography, it's not the same as directing but good to give you an eye for shots and framing up, also describing a scene as you have it in your head. Good luck dude, keep at it and I am sure you will make it happen for you 😀 💪👍

[@Penguin-1966]

that miniature with the stadium below it is insane, the level of detail and how realistic it looks

[@dootboi4120]

The new movie DOES show space travel, just not on that scene. In the scene where the Bene Gesserit arrive on Caladan, their ship goes through a highliner and you can see that the space background inside the highliner doesn't match the rest of the background outside of it. Basically, the highliner itself is folding space, working as a portal and ships just go through.

[@TheAntibozo]

Came here to say the same thing. There isn't an hour of traffic between Caladan and Arrakis; they fly in one end and out the other.

[@Kholaslittlespot1]

Folding the paper of space and time

[@melz6625]

I so have to watch the movie again

[@gibn1542]

holy shit, i never noticed that, watching it again it seems pretty obvious with the blue planet being cut out of the rest of the frame

[@BlackEpyon]

Gotta say, that's a way of folding space I hadn't thought of before seeing it here. I imagine the Highliner just pulls itself through once everybody's done transiting.

[@formoftherapy]

This might be one of my favorite VFX Reacts episodes. I’ve never seen the old Dune but the work put into it blows my mind.

[@finalcam1740]

It's got some super impressive shots that aged VERY well. It's also got some really bad ones lol.

[@Leprutz]

Exactly. Some effects were very goofy and don't hold up at all, but other shots are just so impressive that it really blows you away The old dune actually sows what a creative mind David Lynch is and what a great team of VFX artists he had. Denis Villeneuve is the same thing, only that today we really have the capcities to make impossible things look possible.

[@jeanque2130]

hello pd, glad to see you here

[@TheDoctorIWho]

But the problem was in tze end, that it run out of VFX budget.

[@kayreeves2000]

@@Leprutz iougfeu

[@GermanEnigma]

The scene where the film makers showed the Bene Gesserit ship arriving at planet Caladan, you could see Wallach IX (their homeworld) at the other end of the Heighliner as the ship exited the tunnel. When the trip was complete and the Spacing Guild's services were no longer required, the Heighliner would vanish (probably like the effect seen in the film Arrival which was also directed by Denis Villeneuve).

[@SNOWSOS]

Everyone's first time seeing worm boy navigate through stars is a trip

[@telescopesfs-officialchann3897]

Hello checkmark

[@sgt.averyjohnson8395]

Slug boy! Paul is worm boy

[@josevst7274]

@@sgt.averyjohnson8395 Leto is gonna be the worm boy actually

[@manboy4720]

"alright everybody, we're gonna teleport in 3, 2, 1." BLARRRGHGHGHG

[@Kholaslittlespot1]

We've all been there dude. At least, it really seems a lot of us aspiring VFX guys have been somewhere or other for extended periods of time. Not going to lie.

[@13nwaffles]

Don’t be afraid of the janky 80’s fx, fear is the mind killer

[@bulletproofwhale5869]

Fear is the little death that brings obliteration

[@radioactivet-rex286]

I will face my fear, and permit it to pass over me

[@JohnnyWednesday]

2021 FX will look janky in 30 years too

[@vine01]

it also had superior music score and ambiance imo..

[@channelname4331]

@@JohnnyWednesday uhh no it won't this crap is photorealistic in these days everything peaks at some point

[@shagrat47]

I like, that you guys are taking the effects technology available at the time into account and show how brilliant Lynch's work was at the time. On the other hand, Villeneuve did go the extra mile to make the CGI effects looking natural and real. If you have to remind yourself after watching it, that those were "not real" Ornithopters or Shields, etc. because they simply felt real...

[@garymcderp1146]

A lot of the personal shield effects were actually done by using previous and upcoming frames of a shot and mixed in. And for the frames where the character isn’t moving and the shield effect had to be applied they animated it separately to keep the jitter effect consistent. I actually love how minimalistic the shield effects were. It wasn’t overblown like they would do in a Marvel film for example. And all of the vfx look great because of the way it was shot to begin with. There were no crazy camera shots that obviously look like they are completely CGI. All the shots were grounded and the idea was to make every shot look like it was shot using standard camera techniques. So even when an entire shot is CGI you don’t have the camera moving around unrealistically. This totally sold the effects and was like a breath of fresh air.

[@thinkdunson]

15:14 the worms themselves don't actually poop the spice. the sandtrout (larval stage of the worm) secrete what's called "pre-spice" in their process of converting water into a chemical that won't poison a worm. once a mass of pre-spice builds up enough heat and pressure, you get a spice blow which carries it to the surface (also killing millions of sandtrout). then the dry air and heat on the surface turns it into spice. the sandworms love to eat the results because it contains lots of spice and lots of sandtrout, but they won't go near it until its fully converted into spice because of all the moisture (water is deathly poisonous to them). that's why it's so fortuitous to find a fresh spice blow; you know you have a couple hours to harvest before a worm comes to claim it.

[@KerupukKeju]

yum

[@jbzaddy1980]

I like it spicy

[@zachlyons]

Goddamn sriracha takes so much work

[@Teevock]

So you know your desert farming young Atreides...

[@coudik]

so if the worm eats people, wouldnt it kill the worm because of the water in them? or the gasoline that runs the harvesters?

[@compulsoryevacuationdevice]

The shot of shaq eating the chicken wing with blue eyes had me dying lmao

[@Igbo_chyna]

😂

[@soundped]

I had to stop the video just to see who else needed to talk about it!

[@SS-yr3ij]

ShaQ is Shai Hulud

[@inr9751]

7:04, for reference.

[@Esandeech2]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@matthewtaylor7859]

I suspect the motion blurred ornithopter wings are done using distributed ray tracing through time - so each eye ray is emitted at a certain (random) point in time, within a time window corresponding to the camera shutter speed. The scene geometry (ornithopter wings) is adjusted to be in the correct position for that time. Then many rays, at slightly different times are averaged together, similarly to how standard path tracers work. This is expensive to render for sure, but it gives the correct result.

[@alexcayer9377]

Watching the giant worm emerge from the sand in IMAX was one of the best thing I've seen in my life.

[@ltdowney]

The Guild Navigator folding space is one of the many "inventions" of the 1984 film. In the books, the ships are propelled by engines that exploit the Holtzman Effect, which is explained as a repelling force between subatomic particles and is also the basis for shield technology. The Navigators just chart the course through space, which would be impossible for a normal human.

[@esaedvik]

The Navigators in the books (or rather the other way around) are a bit like the Emperor of Mankind and Navigators in Warhammer 40,000. Emperor acting as an Astronomican, a psychic beacon for Terra, for mutated human Navigators on each ship to triangulate the Warp.

[@johng8837]

@@esaedvik other way around. 40k stole a shit ton from Dune as its basis-navigators and emperor combined. Same goes for battletecj and it's great house system

[@afriendlycadian9857]

@@johng8837 stolen isnt exactly the word i would use, it would be using that idea as a base and expanding upon it everything is stolen

[@sxsxpl]

It's worth to mention that all this is like that also because the advanced computers are banned because of previous threats of AI to humanity.

[@Bergen98]

Very true, Navigators are "just" that - they make a map of how the ship must travel through space, so it doesn't crash into a planet or a star.

[@richardjohnson9543]

I find it endlessly fascinating that in the Dune universe, technology evolved in such a way as to make the usual kinds of guns and energy weapons usually seen in sci-fi pretty much useless

[@RohannvanRensburg]

It's so creative but also historically accurate. Look at plate mail, for example: it essentially rendered swords and bows (for the most part) obsolete.

[@dr_birb]

@@RohannvanRensburg Plate mail didn't make swords and bows obsolete, both were used for long time alongside it, also evolving into much better designs with time.

[@CanalTremocos]

There was a rogue AI and robot war in their distant past. That's why they use mentats and guild pilots instead of computers. For them, starwars would be like the stone age for us.

[@RohannvanRensburg]

@@CanalTremocos So they essentially eliminated all AI and robots for safety reasons?

[@CanalTremocos]

@@RohannvanRensburg Yes, originally. The Butlerian Jihad was so long ago they now just follow the taboo for religious reasons.

[@OksanaSean]

14:24 That Ornithopter is legit. It’s like right out of the book. Thanks guys! You made me want to watch the new movie!

[@waheex]

old dune looks amazing, it's easy to laugh and look back but it hold up really well, despite the hacked story line. I love the old shields

[@lin_6x579]

Literally did not look amazing

[@trumpisthemessiah7017]

@@lin_6x579 When it came out, it was way better than the new version now. You are just young and not very bright.

[@sebbosebbo9794]

the old sets the cloth are amazing... the big brain navigator the emperor the harkon s are cool to... the new cloth looks like Nike earth like outdoor stuff... the new movie is like s mtv commercial.. walking looking walking...and the new movie show not more..but its even longer...

[@robertlaidlaw4592]

the only thing really letting it down for me, was the fade in effect of the spaceship, and the choice of the shields i think it was just the wrong choice.

[@I_enjoy_some_things]

The shields were horrible, even then.

[@oakgast6191]

Seeing them lose their shit at the contained explosion was so wholesome.

[@channelname4331]

they understand the work that goes into it so i guess that adds another layer of amazement

[@TheDecatonkeil]

They seem like the coolest guys to have as friends. I love hanging out with people who talk passionately about what they like.

[@funtourhawk]

I loved that scene in Imax, like damn the whole movie was insane

[@BlackEpyon]

Yeah, it's contained until the moment the explosion destroys the shield generator!

[@DundG]

@@channelname4331 I wouldn't say its more work than an regular cgi explotion but the artistic choice to keep the shield intact long enough to at first contain the explotion makes these force fields so much more present. They're there and you see it not only by some vibrating colors on the bombs, but the explotion contained in the field screams "yeah there IS a force field strong enough to keep an EXPLOTION INSIDE, and these bombs need to go through them, instead of detonating on the surface" so there is 100% no doubt about it. We understand that these force shields are no joke and really strong except for the one weakness Beautifull way of telling the story through images!

[@AzaleaJane]

Big ups to the sound designers, too. I loved the sound effects on the shields so much. They really sold the whole thing for me.

[@lordlorzius]

The interesting thing is, that the visuals actually followed the sound design in this case. The sound department sent the samples to the visual department and they modeled the effects after what they heard.

[@user-cu7vo2cv4x]

You should watch the podcast Dolby had with them, it had Theo Green and Mark Mangini along with the director and another man’s (whose name I forgot) but was also part of the sound design. It’s really interesting to hear what they did to produce the sounds on the movie!

[@sircrapalot9954]

If Dune doesn’t win the Oscar for sound editing, we riot.

[@user-cu7vo2cv4x]

@@sircrapalot9954 Lol honestly

[@user-cu7vo2cv4x]

I also found this cool video that sort of dives into some of the score that were used in the scenes:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmaTh6WpgsSrorc

[@ryanquinn1257]

Two years plus have gone by now and I’m still so in awe of the visuals. DV nailed the feel of Dune in so many ways. I was hesitant with some of the part two castings but it’s looks soooo epic

[@malphadour]

If only he had made some effort with the characters and the story.

[@christopherbeddoe406]

I love the new Dune movie. My entire family thought it was slow and boring but I love it. I'm such a fan of the story. The visuals alone are so epic and artistic. The sound is also amazing. I've watched it a half dozen times already.

[@malphadour]

A lot of people found new Dune to be slow and boring because there is so little story telling or getting to know characters. If you haven't bought into a character or the story, then no matter how good it looks, it will be boring. I'm a long time Dune fan, and by the end of part 1 i was thinking "god i hope this is over soon, its just dull"

[@TaberIV]

6:27 Really, the book does the exact same thing here. There isn't really any time dedicated to the space travel here either. The books don't go in to the guild navigators until later in the story, so he adapted the book quite faithfully here imo

[@rogerwilco2]

Yes, this seems to be a really faithful adoption of the book and a master piece. I can't wait for the second one, and hopefully even more.

[@riftplut0474]

Ya I was so confused when people are complaining about stuff that wasn’t in the book in the first place

[@mellowkidd]

@@rogerwilco2 it’s not very faithful to the book at all. Their are plots that are skipped, and basically no characterization.

[@Charles12]

@@mellowkidd you expect them to adapt at least 5 hours worth of story into a 2.5 hour movie of half of the story without feeling cluttered and or rushed?

[@minkkulborahae]

@@mellowkidd hey how about you make this movie on your own? Produce it with your own money and see if you can fit every single thing in the books into the 2.5 hour movie. Try it.

[@AronBagel]

I was listening to an interview with Greig Fraser, the DoP for Dune (2021), and he mentioned that they explicitly said that they avoided watching the 1984 film for visual references. Just goes to show you how detailed the novels are, where two separate teams in completely different times achieve a very similar result.

[@LordZordid]

That is simply untrue. They play homage to the original movie in so many scenes you have to be oblivious not to notice it.

[@GrandHighGamer]

@@LordZordid I mean the actual dune books incorporate parts originally in the dune film. I'm sure the people in charge didn't go back and see it, but if you've seen it before it'll still be vaguely in the back of their mind. Plus individual artists might have snuck stuff in. But the director was repeatedly clear his orders were to ignore that film and to just try and realise whatever was in the book.

[@moldman5694]

That spice factory scene was exactly how I pictured it when I read the book as well. Funny how people's imaginations can sometimes generate the exact same image.

[@danieljensen2626]

@@LordZordid Yeah, but also like 75% of the new movie is just an exact rendering of the way those scenes are described in the book. So with both movies being pretty faithful to the book they're going to end up with a lot of similarities.

[@LordZordid]

@@danieljensen2626 So? That still doesn't mean that they didn't pay tribute to the orginal. If not the director (who is obviously lying) someone sure as hell made an effort to match scenes and specifics they could not have derived from the books. The big difference between these movies are that the new one is more grounded and barely explores the mythology and spiritual side. And it feels very underwhelming compared to the scope of the books. It's an interesting take nonetheless and I appriciate the callbacks to the 1984 version.

[@iankelsall25]

we were literally watching oscar winning effects for the new Dune, no wonder the guys ( and us) were so impressed. the explosions and fire balls in the attack scene look completely real.

[@gabyocampo94]

Lynch's Dune is actually a great movie for its time and the obstacles it faced. It's so good to learn how they compare and analyse every shot. Great job

[@shashankiyer5751]

The Shaq fremen made me laugh more than it should’ve

[@kryptgmd]

Based pfp

[@lianbrown157]

Same

[@TheHannahcast]

Dune is easily going to win Best Visual Effects in next year's Oscars.

[@mritunjaymusale]

That or green knight

[@funtechu]

@@mritunjaymusale Hah, hah, hah, thanks for the good laugh.

[@butter_nut1817]

cinematography

[@chadron44]

and best sound design

[@Santhosh_PSK]

WB officially submitted DUNE in 14 categories: BEST PICTURE, BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR, BEST MAKEUP AND HAIRSTYLING, BEST DIRECTOR, BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY, BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY, BEST SOUND, BEST FILM EDITING, BEST ACTOR, BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN, BEST VISUAL EFFECTS, BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS, BEST COSTUME DESIGN and BEST ORIGINAL SCORE. I Hope Dune pulls a LOTR and sweeps all the technical awards.

[@realLetterz]

there is actually a really sick few frames of the guild navigator ship above arrakis, where you can see caladan in thru the center of the guild navigation ship. its a really slick shot that shows everything you talked about in like 2 seconds.

[@_M0NTY]

This should be an entire series. Seriously cool concept and massively entertaining to watch. We'll done!

[@BirdArvid]

The thing to remember on top of everything else is that after the film was finished, it was transferred onto 35mm film and then back again, for a softer look, which truly makes it all look very. very real. Villeneuve has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he wants special effects to move beyond the superficiality it often has and move into the "future reality" realm and he really is the first to do it like this. There are moments in Blade Runner 2049 and even Arrival which show this, but Dune really is a masterpiece.

[@goochipoochie]

Yeah, it is one of the most generic looking and outright garbage scifi movie released in past 20 years

[@Mopark25]

​@@goochipoochieBad opinion.

[@Sinoops]

​@@goochipoochieMy guy doesn't watch movies.

[@ajwebb220587]

@@goochipoochie 🤡

[@KonaLife]

@@goochipoochie does your pussy still hurt 10 months later?

[@VarishtGhedia]

With the new dune, the shots were really well done to the point that I was completely sold on the environment. None of it felt even a wee bit impossible, and made sense with what was happening on the new world. The dragonfly copters were kind of a mystery for me, with how they did it, thanks for showing how they could've done it. You guys should do a part 2 of this with the Harkonnen liquid simulation scenes as well. Though they seem generic, they blended well with the environments.

[@fysean]

I’m thinking the wings are some sort of light emitter or it’s not motion blur at all but some good animation

[@MrNothinguploaded]

it's called an ornithopter! i was really excited to see how the movie would show them, i wasn't disappointed!

[@LednacekZ]

you get sold on the environment, because D.V. prefers shooting on real locations. it feels real because it is real. They spent weeks in the desert.

[@Boscovius]

What you guys missed in the new Dune space travel sequence is that you can look through the tube-like Heighliner and see Caladan at one end and Arrakis at the other.

[@stevetheduck1425]

Plenty of guns in the Dune universe: Las-guns, used in the film, Maul pistols, also used in the film, and some specialist ones as well like the dart guns designed to defeat shields, also used in the film.

[@gmonorail]

villeneuve explicitly talks about why he wanted space travel to remain mysterious in part 1, and that part 2 will be much different

[@azmodanpc]

Makes sense. I think he wants to underline the importance of spice for space travel, the role of the emperor and guild and the rise of Paul as the irritant in the schemes of his enemies.

[@heatherbukowski2102]

Yeah, after seeing Dune 1 and watching his interviews, I fully believe the man knows exactly what he's doing.

[@patcherelli2411]

DV is actually tipping his hat to the determination of Frank Herbert to not let Dune (the entire series) be a Sci-Fi epic driven by technological and scientific detail. DV has clearly spent some time researching Frank's ethos and probably 'The Road to Dune' too.

[@declanashmore]

15:13 - Regarding "worm poop", that's not quite right. The yeast comparison was actually quite close. The larval stage of the sandworms, the sandtrout, encapsulate moisture underground. Their fungal excretions (a word that is not to be confused with 'excrement') undergo a chemical reaction with the water, creating an underground bubble which will eventually explode. In this explosion, the underground fungus gets blown to the surface where it dries in the sun becoming the spice melange. So rather than it being "worm poop", it's more like "sun-dried fungus". Fun lore. Not that "worm poop" would be that crazy; next time you put a spoon of honey in anything, remember you're going to be ingesting bee vomit.

[@rises889]

I put bat poop in my coffee too, cause I m too rich

[@fergushancock3567]

The relationship between the worms, spice deposits, worm eggs, larvae and 'sandtrout' remains to be explored. I hope the second part opens the ecology of Arrakis and the real reason water is so scarce for the audience. SPOILER - water is poisonous for sandworms, so sandtrout seal off groundwater deep beneath the surface to protect the adult worms.

[@Nyerguds]

@@rises889 I put bee vomit in mine. Mmmm, honey.

[@Vhailor_Mithras]

And that the Sandtrouts and the Worms might not even be native to the planet either.

[@foechicken8023]

Bee vomit is the best. It taste way better than human vomit. Way less caustic too.

[@Critter145]

Y’all, it’s so cool to hear you geek out over the effects.

[@PK0RN]

I watched the first part randomly yesterday and found out there's a part 2 coming to the cinemas just now! YAY

[@protektor2399]

I love how Sam and Niko are just excited to show this stuff to Wren and see how he reacts and responds

[@kyalocharles]

and then wren folds his hands to listen, so cool

[@jsarine]

They actually do show you the traveling. If you watch closely in the scene when the Bene Gesserit come to test Paul, they show the BG ship coming down the barrel of the transport ship. You can clearly see another planet in the background through the transport ship. So basically, the spacing guild puts one end of the ship at one world and folds space to put the other end at the destination and they let whoever’s paying fly through. I’m just glad they left the process mysterious and didn’t attempt something like the 1984 Dune. 😅

[@firekrys]

I totally missed that the first time too. Only watching it again, I noticed that and the shot is so quick, it’s a Blink or you’ll miss it. But they turned it into Wormhole

[@mikagami69]

Listen... magically farting mutated navigators are the only way to fly

[@charleshartley9597]

Whoa my man, I totally missed that connection! Yes, the blue world in the background I just thought "it's in the distance" even though the perspective is all wrong. This makes so much sense and gives me new found respect for DV and his vision. Wow, just wow. Cheers!

[@REChronic54]

Plus it would be so unnecessary to visually explain; it would've taken up screentime in place of other scenes more crucial.

[@wolfmusk8459]

18:44 is the funniest and cutest part of this really cool video.

[@seasong7655]

Can't wait for their part 2 reaction

[@nochancecze]

7:01 "Tabasco allows them to teleport." combined with Shaq eating a spicy wing just killed me.

[@guillermoroa1356]

Fremen Shaq is ultimate Shaq

[@TheBoxGameDrop]

and the scream from song adds a lot xD

[@IHaveInvalidName]

Another cool detail; Villenueve said in an interview that the foreground of the shot with the worm eating the spice harvester was practical. They actually swung a full sized practical Ornithopter around on a crane above Jordan with the stunt doubles hanging out the back. Crazy man.

[@TOAOM123]

I just assumed they fed a half track to a worm

[@bens4801]

The worm was practical too, it was Christian Bale method acting

[@EUC-lid]

@@bens4801 Uncredited, but Rob Schneider was the sand.

[@hypocriticalsatire3966]

The ornithopters landing and flying around are also overlayed on real helicopter footage

[@stutastic14]

Ive watch the 1984 Dune like 20+ times and I never knew that was all just one shot with the Ship ariving on Arrakis. That, is, Amazing! :D

[@ericbraswell6432]

Most shocking fact in this video: Wren hasn’t READ Dune.

[@KoolWithAQ]

Right? I see him in his Bridge 4 shirt all the time! C'mon dude! Respect the classics!

[@ethankoh6851]

E

[@singularleaf3895]

I understand not reading it, it's the same reason a lot of people don't read LotR it's so boring and a slog to get through the opening parts. It took me a week of picking Dune up over and over again to finally get past the slog after that I was done in like 2 days. Not everyone has the attention span to read such long books that set so much up front.

[@agiammarco94]

Or even listened to it

[@UltimRoGuE]

reading... ugh

[@DomThatDubstep]

This is one of those movies you have to see in theaters. The sound design is impeccable, the pacing is painfully slow at times but it is done intentionally so the important scenes really stand out. The rhythm is chaotic but wonderful. The VFX/cinematography is simply astonishing. Every static scene has the aesthetic of a sci-fi painting.

[@PedroRodriguez-kg4bq]

Thought the music was over bearing and cliches myself. Ruined the story. Desert movie = African chanting women anyone?

[@TKOfromJohn]

@@PedroRodriguez-kg4bq it was supposed to convey an alien theme like something ancient yet super advanced. I personally think they nailed that.

[@celisdeandaeliudalberto5335]

I saw the movie in my house, but first I put the best audio possible, and in some scenes like when de ornithopter is falling, we fell like we are in that ship falling, the sound was so amazing.

[@greenley77]

I saw it in IMAX and D-Box. I liked the D-box better!

[@celisdeandaeliudalberto5335]

@@greenley77 How was the experience of the falling Ornithopter on the D-box?

[@averagemug_music]

It would be cool to see you guys react to the 2000s Dune SyFy series next.

[@publicprofilename4273]

I've seen this thumbnail a few times, but wasn't very interested in watching any of this. I'm so freaking glad I ACCIDENTALLY hit the thumbnail this time. Omg this is so entertaining! Thank you, and I'm sorry it took me so long, but I'm glad I'm here now. You guys kick ass!

[@sanghoonlee5171]

If TARS and CASE from Interstellar went at each other, it might look like that 80s Dune knife fight.

[@liabw05]

Haha great visual!

[@s1n-n3d]

MUUURRRRRPHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[@brianfoss571]

2 years late, but came here just for this.

[@mikez6112]

Has the crew done “Annihilation” yet? If not, I definitely think that would be a killer

[@uhkingdom]

The bear alone

[@miKnutty]

They definitely should

[@PoserGalore]

@Hadrim Losthor wrong sir

[@epicn]

@Hadrim Losthor the movie annihilation

[@epicn]

Great suggestion, the bear is absolutely terrifying

[@mammamiaculpa]

the miniature work is absolutely amazing

[@stevetheduck1425]

The Navigator is using voice to create a higher-dimensional-order link between two places due to a developed form of prescience. The 'way is shortened', transferring a ship from one place to another. Dune 1984 shows this, and shows the 'heighliner' ship actually arriving. Later Dune use this method, recent Dune shows only a ship with a hole and another place on the other side of the hole.

[@GeeVanderplas]

Denis Villeneuve is in a league of his own when it comes to crafting amazingly immersive sci-fi worlds.

[@BlackGryph0n]

I come and watch you guys when nobody in my family reacts to brilliant effects the way I do... Thank you for giving me the opportunity to yell "YES!! THANK YOU!!" at the screen! 😂😭

[@Prvosienko]

Exactly my thoughts. At 18:53 when the guy went: "OH OWLOWLOWLOWLOWLO! pchssch BOOM! Jahn! It's so cool! Ah may Gawd!" I was like yeah, that was be exactly me in the cinema.

[@lejaune711]

oh hey, love what u do

[@David-hs9su]

Kind of strange to find creators who do very different things on KZbin in the comment section, but at the same time I'm glad we enjoy the same things. Pleasant surprise

[@GunnarClovis]

Much love ❤️

[@SabbaticusRex]

@@David-hs9su As an older person that sentiment is strange to me ; I find that everyone has the exact same interests , and go out of their way to claim that they are 'unique' and 'eclectic' when in reality young people are basically carbon copied clones of each other . Different all in the exact same way .

[@abraxas98]

Thank you for showing so much respect for the old Dune version, that often is treated like being a really bad movie. I have always liked it and have always considered it being a very artistic movie. Thank you for supporting that opinion. 😊👍🏽

[@joshuapatrick682]

I love them hating on 40 year old visual effects… so relatable…

[@danielwareking]

Possibly the best vfx I've ever seen. The absolutely insane thing is that there's a part of my brain that doesn't even think of Dune as a big vfx movie, like "Oh that movie has tons of CGI in it." The vfx are SO seamless and perfect that they kind of just disappear and all you're paying attention to is the visual storytelling. Just absolutely incredible work.

[@kip_c]

nothing matches the pure unadulterated joy Wren feels when he finds out an effect was done practically.

[@smythee7835]

no offense to this Wren person who i dont know etc but seriously I have to stop watching because of his all over the top comments always. he just down grade a lot the quality of the content. You don't see him around when they have some big shot hollywood vfx person as guest, and I think that's why.

[@yagelbar]

Wren'FXo'gasm™

[@IPpainting]

@@smythee7835 lmao

[@jasonalen7459]

@@smythee7835 You don't see him around when the hollywood vfx artists are guesting because, just like those hollywood vfx artists, he _too_ is a guest. Niko is main host, Sam is co-host seeing as he isn't in every vfx artists react video, but Wren and other Corridor Crew members are just guests. Three people on the couch, no more, no less. And if you don't like his 'over the top comments', then I suggest you stay away from videos where he gushes over cool and interesting facts about the world. He's that kind of guy, oh well, you can't change how much he loves something.

[@danalbury3931]

I am compelled to say daaaamn that miniature shot, mind blown at how clever effects teams were back then

[@shweenz]

I'd love to see your take on Part 2. I overall was blown away by it, but one scene near the end really made me do a double take because the CGI looked off to me. The battle, before Batista looks back.

[@vigilantslacker6039]

They should have reacted to the dream sequence where we see Paul as a soldier when his mask is retracted. In a movie where nearly every shot had significant CG elements, it was the only moment that got away from me. Still the best Sci fi I’ve watched in years.

[@beep6583]

i agree. literally the only shot that kills me a little

[@harbl99]

Yeah, that looked like something out of _Stargate_ . Didn't have the polish of the rest of the film.

[@arthurchevalier1333]

Its ok it doesn't look real it just a dream :P

[@docb8324]

I've actually heard the Denis intentionally wanted that sequence's CGI on Tim's face to be a little off; I mean, it does make sense in the context of the book, to seem a little bit unsettling but I get why everyone is off putted by anyone

[@ZephyrFate]

That may have been a little intentional. We're only seeing a possible future, not one that actually occurs.

[@ilFanEditore]

The sandworm from Lynch's version was made by famous Italian special effect artist Carlo Rambaldi, and it was amazing for the time. Rambaldi also made the alien's head in Alien, and ET.

[@darthkek1953]

>Rambaldi also made the alien's head in Alien, and ET. A good thing he didn't get those jobs confused... can you imagine the outcome?

[@ilFanEditore]

@@darthkek1953 You made my day. And you also gave me nightmares. Grazie, haha!

[@paulyearley1084]

Lynch's production gets a lot of hate, but he was working against the headwinds of a diffcult studio, ludicrously dense source material (ramming it into one movie was a mistake), and production technology that just wasn't yet up to the task at the tiem, but it's still a fun movie to watch, as goofy as it is at moments. Villenueve's production is, again, very clearly referencing Lynch, but simply starts off on a better foot and it's such a gorgeous, and well-cast and -acted film. I'm so excited about part 2.

[@jackbuff_I]

13:00 they've absolutely NAILED the physics with those dragonflies! Perfection!.. to the point that they look like they could work!

[@mitchboland9591]

Visually speaking, this is probably the best looking movie I’ve ever seen

[@mritunjaymusale]

Nah blade runner 2049 is better

[@thatguyfrommars844]

Mad max fury road would like a word

[@jaybristowe2346]

@@thatguyfrommars844 lol what 😂

[@sherklokholmes-er4mw]

@@thatguyfrommars844 Ever heard of Green Knight ? Skyfall.

[@Daneelro]

Lawrence of Arabia (one of Villeneuve's inspirations).

[@evemartinez8519]

Watching this movie without context or reference; as a regular human being… Was a big shock. From the music, the visuals and the composition in shots: It was a great experience.

[@MyrKnof]

I gotta agree.. I've played some dune game a few hours when i was a kid, and thats about it. This franchise will 100% take over where, the new Star Wars failed me oh so much. The whole soundscape is perfect, visuals are on point and the story is really catching.

[@jackdevanney1193]

One of Hans Zimmer's finest soundtracks for sure.

[@SA80TAGE]

"regular human being"?

[@quentinh3140]

@@SA80TAGE someone without any vfx experience

[@pills-]

Now you should watch the '84 version :D (Or was that in reference to the 84 version?)

[@dominikstarck5340]

Great video that's only missing one thing: a comp to the 2000 DUNE mini series effects!

[@NithinJune]

18:22 This scene looks even better in IMAX because you can see the whole top half of the ornithopter too

[@thesiberianproductions3748]

The visuals were so great in Dune: part 1

[@enegmatixerebro]

Lol Part 1 Must emphasize that for the next two years till Part 2 comes out.

[@thesiberianproductions3748]

@@enegmatixerebro I just did it to distinguish the difference from the older version of the movie

[@ParzivalTheThird]

@@enegmatixerebro Technically that is the title of the movie. The international title has always been “Dune: Part One” they just called it “Dune” in all the marketing.

[@enegmatixerebro]

@@thesiberianproductions3748 I know I'm just kidding around

[@enegmatixerebro]

@@ParzivalTheThird ye

[@beergnomedc]

I L O V E how unique the weapons and tech were in this. After two decades of the same generic scifi weapons and whatnot, we finally get stuff that feels so unique and so different, and actually feels far closer to the weapons in old scifi novels of the 50s and 60s, including the actual Dune novel of course.

[@TheAlmightyPillock]

that was my thaught seeing the ships as well, they look like they are from the covers of classic sci-fi novels, but done so well they dont look out of date.

[@th3lonef0x4]

@@TheAlmightyPillock My exact thoughts as well. It's why I love the ship designs so much.

[@mattheauperry8358]

Tress of the Emerald Sea by Brandon Sanderson has an amazing premise around liquifaction allowing ships to float on seas of deadly spores.

[@stevetheduck1425]

The shields in the 1984 film are copies of the original frame, out of register for EACH FACET to build up the blocky shields, and then composited back onto the background original shot, doing this introduced a blur as the film had been copied perhaps two times for each facet. These distorted frames were animated almost like using paper cutout figures to go over the original. Things like everyone's eyes being blue was also hand roto'd for every frame. Old issues of Cinefex, Fantastic Films and Starlog went into the FX in great detail.

[@_xano]

When I initially read the title my mind was screaming "bad CGI in Dune?! where?!?!" but then I remembered there is Lynch movie, and SciFi series. Villneuve did such a terrific job, this movie is visually flawless. For me one of the most impressive little detail is Paul meeting fremen at the end of movie. everything takes place before/during dawn, and for 10 minutes scenes gradually have more and more daylight. It deserve an oscar in new category - continuity

[@BeinIan]

That's a really good point about blacking out, actually. From a phenomenological perspective, you teleport from a party at night to (hopefully) your bed the next morning.

[@harrihaffi2713]

Funny!

[@MJ-cl8gr]

Or a bathtub with ice and a kidney fewer than before

[@BeinIan]

@@MJ-cl8gr Who are you, Charlie the Unicorn?

[@harrihaffi2713]

@@MJ-cl8gr ouch! Well guess they were pretty nice to at least give you the ice.

[@thomasmeldrum6238]

It’s been pointed out it other KZbin videos, that for the new Dune’s space travel, you can actually see a different solar system through the big ship.

[@thomasmeldrum6238]

But I love watching you guys talk about this stuff.

[@froggirec]

but the '84 cubic shields? c'mon, these are so cool. you just got to appreciate that sweet weirdness of the effect. thanks for the great info about how they actually did this. makes me appreciate it even more.

[@Jettofisser]

I love how Sam gets a real Nerdgasm from that shot of the ships exploding. It's so genuine it's funny...

[@finalcam1740]

All the sounds he was making... that was a literal orgasm hope he changed his drawers.