Victoria 3 Pivot of Empire Review | GIGACHAD REVIEWS

[@hubbabubba9178]

"It makes complete sense and I think it's a good system." -Tarkusarkusar on racism

[@creed2552]

Racism Update? Ah yes, there's finally a reason to play Victoria 3

[@sealboi9666]

finally, paradox interactive have found a way for hoi4 and stellaris players to enjoy vic3

[@asjaosaline5987]

"Racism" update realy needs to be expanded. Like directly tax certain population group or Draft them or appoint military offices and clerks. Or even directly enslave them. Revoke property from some groups and give to others.

[@SirBalageG]

@@asjaosaline5987 what about the Boer concentration camps? genocide was the 19th century's cup of tea as much as we would like to pretend it was better times also I need to put that 100 million German I "accidentally" ended up if you know what I mean

[@dima9171]

Still waiting on the warfare update.

[@henryglennon3864]

[Great Britain launches diplomatic play against you]

[@arturo0727]

I been waiting for that since it was released. The warfare system is still so BAD and boring. Right now i rate VIC3 a 4/10 with the current warfare, without it 9/10. I have 400 hrs on it.

[@dima9171]

@@arturo0727ikr, and people are not even necessary asking for the return of stack micro, just make the current system less buggy, more interactive, add supplies etc… that would make a huge difference. The game is out 2 years ffs.

[@rafaelazevedo5904]

​@@arturo0727Honestly I just stopped considering warfare as a factor for entertainment in my playthroughs, makes my experience much better. Hope we get a warfare update soon

[@achmedaan]

You played a game that you give a 4/10 for 400 hours?

[@jakman2179]

I think one thing that would help out the companies would be if they could buy up buildings from other investors. Particularly, something like they take failing or less efficient building, buy them up, then make them (more) profitable by granting them their bonuses. it could also be used to buy up underperforming facilities and just shutter them, acting as a kind of refund on the building. To give a historical example. Standard Oil during it's rise and hayday would buy up all the oil wells and refineries it could. Those which were profitable or could be quickly made profitable were kept, while those which either weren't or couldn't be made profitable quickly would be shuttered and saved for later when they could be made profitable, or when demand rose high enough to make them profitable. If Companies are made even more interesting and become actors in themselves, with leaders and being able to interfere in politics on local, national, and international scales, then it could go further them altering their strategy for their ends. Like, one could be lead by a hardcore monopolist who tries to buy up all the buildings in the industry he can, then shutters or purposefully restricts supply to drive up prices. Another could be a philanthropic type who makes his business profitable, but tries to ensure his workers are paid the best and are happy. Hell, maybe some companies have alternative ownership structures allowing for a more cooperatively run company. Not necessarily the most historical from what I know, but could be cool, seeing companies with varying structures and organization to give them more flavor and nuance.

[@YakubMyBeloved]

thank you for saying this, I was surprised when it wasn't a feature.

[@Ragatokk]

Racism patch sounded awesome, but I still can't do the historical expel.

[@jetex1911]

Sadly *my* fantasy is being able to provide for *ALL* of my citizens. 😔

[@stickman8459]

Ethnostate birth rate mod + move pops mod

[@DaniTheHero]

Why would you want to?

[@magnus69]

@@DaniTheHeroPrevent degeneracy and exploitation

[@justinallen2408]

​@DaniTheHero because it's historical and fun lol cx take imperator rome for example you can take cultures and force them all into slavery and then displace them into new lands therefore leaving space for your main culture. The Roman's did this all the time and so did many others we still do it the USA and many others.

[@Gruffelgangster]

I think it would be cool if there would be laws that dictate who can join the army. Like one model where the officers are you're primary culture, with discrimataed pops filling in the lower ranks, giving you a morale malus but you have the bigger pool of recruits. On the Other hand the army that only accepts pops with high acceptance, giving a moral boost. (Or something else, doesn't need to be morale) Additionally, could there something like "Servive guarantees Citizineship"? Not sure if this is to meme-y, but having a boost to acceptance for pops who serve in the military seems like a flavorful addition.

[@jakman2179]

Basically the French Foreign Legion.

[@TheMaztercom]

Your idea is useless, cuz no one is going to choose that sht in vic3, over a better option with no morale malus, why? Because vic3 warfare system is trash, and have 0 depth, so having decisions like that only is a way to nerf yourself.

[@arkadiuszrenc1498]

15:39 ahh yes because companies are known for long term planning and sustainable development. They don't even care about the shareholder's quick term profits that much

[@werdburb7535]

*coughcough* climate change *cough*

[@Alexander-z6x]

Historically no, aslong as its germany or some small british ones,if you look to germany, friedrich krupp and any compnay made around 1930 were mainly focussed on output and efficiency, brits on building affordable housing.

[@adrix_wastaken2196]

@@Alexander-z6xbuddy i know this May Sound crazy, but they did Think about the short term intrestes, they just became so Big that they began thinking slightly longer into the future

[@eugenekrabs869]

@@Alexander-z6x 'erm actually, Historically speaking, companies do actually think of long term planning and sustainability' is an awesome quote with that year tacked on, shame that it's not even the slightest bit true, what was happening in 1930, or should I say about to happen, hmm, I wonder. Famously known as the roaring thirties, where the sustainable and long term focus of companies up to that point resulted in an economic boom that we still can look back on fondly today. Do not look up which country was completely unaffected by the roaring thirties and actually came out ahead because of the effective blockade on it.

[@gigachadgaming1551]

Im very grateful that free patches are better than dlcs

[@henryglennon3864]

Nice use of the Endless Legend sountrack in the background. Good stuff.

[@alooooooki]

Let me know when they add speed 6 please

[@immotion665]

Love how you describe your feelings in the beginning because I'm in the same boat. Vic3 was all I did, then I stopped for a while, and I just haven't been drawn back in, no idea why.

[@TheMaztercom]

Trash warfare, and roblox like economic system (literally there are roblox games with this economic system, such a downgrade)

[@AfridZaman-vr5bx]

This racism is a big game changer Play the Ottoman and count how many rebellion and radicals you get not to mention the turmoil all of this for the racism starvation and movement

[@rotomfan63]

Honestly, I always prefer spreading my buildings out if I can. If nothing else, market access price is a good reason. In fact, I think Paradox might prefer it. Look at how buildings like the university grant qualifications to the state its built-in and admin buildings tax income. I don't know, I tend not to be super minmaxy, and in what ways I do is mostly SOL and Tech and politics and not so much conquest. Like I know how effective it is. But I am not ever conquering Beijing or Java or some other huge population state, because why in the good fuck would the country I am playing as do that most of the time? Like don't get me wrong the fact some level of change from irl history is part of the appeal, but when it comes to things the player is not causing, I prefer them to be at least somewhat reasonable or at least within the ballpark there of and tend to keep my conquests that way too. But hey, at my prefer conquering play style of subject swarm got indirectly buffed by annexation getting nerfes.

[@Crashpad1413]

The only reason role-play wise would probably be as Russia or Japan. I agree that there should be some level of believability.

[@randomstuff063]

Can’t wait for the third sikh Empire tutorial video to come out.

[@asgarzigel]

Companies making bad decisions because they concentrate purely on short term profits? This game is more realistic than I thought.

[@yab4500]

will definitely be playing

[@s4098429]

I think companies need their own investment pool, seperate from capitalists and manor houses. I might also help if companies had more industries or could add more industries types if they grow to a certain size.

[@SirBalageG]

I find it mega retard that the electric company only got telephones as building and not the fucking power production. When I'm electrifying 200 provinces, that 30% boost goes a long way....

[@maximus5668]

The caste system existed prior to the english conquest of india, what british did was codify it and make one caste system for all the country ( instead of many regional ones)

[@bradleystevens4618]

From my limited time playing the new patch, this tracks. I kinda regret paying for the full expansion since the EIC specifically is very uninteresting to me gameplay-wise, and I definitely thought Sikh and the other tags in India were getting stuff too. But w/e, I'll get $10 of enjoyment out of it when I eventually play Hindustan. Compared to HOI4's recent dlc price, this is fine. Bummed to hear you won't be doing more Vic3 videos any time soon tho

[@piellamp]

the military and diplomacy is still holding me back so much u never know who is gonna join in the war

[@holydoggo4822]

What’s pretty great about the discrimination addition to the game is that it actually reinforces the Marxian design of the game through discrimination effecting your material conditions.

[@tomoliop]

I was curious what changed, thx for the summary

[@grandicus]

I was really hoping i could do much more roleplaying in this patch, essentialy ethnostate italy with colonial resettlement and tactical sol decreases for balkan/african states to boost italians in the region, or the same with france sucsessfully resettling algeria and the natural borders, or greece subduing the ottomans and doing a gradial population change back into the megali idea terretories, and making these majority greek

[@TheMaztercom]

Bro believes you can replace an entre population in less than 30 years 💀

[@jonathankraus6818]

no Victoria 3? how dare you not teach me exactly how to Sikh empire. Time to become an Anbennar gamer as you are legally required to fit my tastes.

[@ftlfrog8738]

Pops should be less enthusiastic about migrating to countries where they have low acceptance, even if they have no migration controls. I started the game as america and immediately had 2 Indian and Arabic migrations to Illinois. I changed my laws to prevent this from happening but it became extremely obvious the Canadians didn’t as 50 years into the game almost every colonized province including the part that I would eventually annex was full of every ethnic group under the sun. And that was while they maintained national supremacy/racial segregation and state religion/freedom of conscience but no migration controls.

[@SirBalageG]

so you're telling me they're keeping up with the tradition of messing up the game with one update only to fix it later but also ruin something in the process? I wonder if it's a pattern.... :D

[@TürkTeksaslı]

I need to buy victoria 3 dlc and get up to date but i am a little behind on most paradox dlc

[@glassman1130]

I aint playing this game until they make military a thing

[@SirBalageG]

bro you're going to be retired by then, at least you'll have the time to blast through speed5

[@samarthmisra6064]

Hi, can you take a look at how to make a Indian princely state OPM viable? I tried as satara and the economy was fine until 1844 when the independence movement starts. I win the independence which gives me the bombay state but that is where the problems start. half my pop is suddenly radical, state in near half turmoil, massive bureaucracy shortage and and an economy that goes down the drain slowly.

[@samarthmisra6064]

I tried to implement some things from your japan guide (some, as the sataran economy barely supports a single construction sector.

[@TheMaztercom]

Its an ok dlc, 6.5/10, then you need to actually play with the vic3 warfare system and renember why this sequel is a downgrade, i mean, world war 1 in this game is called diplomatic play, and it can happen on 1840

[@Kasaaz]

A tall patch and not a wide patch?

[@rohirrim9821]

The most gamer patch

[@2009worstyearever]

just more examples of why Vic 3 has a problem. A lot of historically accurate laws/practices *were* suboptimal, so outside of roleplay you would never do them. imo if they wanted to do a game in this setting instead of making you control the whole nation they should have scaled it down so you are like, a single merchant or whatever trying to deal with these wider culture things but not immediately control them. otherwise the game just feels like 'wow everyone who didnt do modernization is a moron' simulator.

[@Porook]

I think the way to handle this is by giving the player less control over the culture itself and making it much more difficult to get those optimal laws. Obviously multicultural empires have a lot more advantages than supremacist empires, but it’s not as if a society like Japan could’ve just decided to suddenly pivot and become an egalitarian paradise for the sake of some vague sense of civilizational efficiency.

[@2009worstyearever]

ya and at the same time some countries that did do these complex multi-cultural norms actually did pretty badly - Austro-Hungary is a good example where complexity and relative tolerance was actually a minus relative to French/German approach of flattening culture into one big one nation one.

[@randomguyoninternet1183]

​​​​​@@2009worstyearever Not a good example, creating a unified identity for Germany wasn't that difficult because most people who lived in the German empire were self-identified ethnic germans already. A-H couldn't have done the same no matter what. Germans, Slavs, Hungarians, Romanians & Romani were never on the same page. The whole reason A-H became even remotely multicultural was because the monocultural Austrian empire pissed off everyone who wasn't German.

[@Porook]

@@2009worstyeareverright, I suppose I meant fundamentalist supremacist societies, the ones that are so extreme they don’t think foreign populations are good enough to assimilate. Integrating conquered populations is what gives an empire the ability to snowball and actually get stronger, not weaker, as they expand. So that kind of fundamentalist racism that some societies in the time period adopted is objectively worse for the power and stability of an empire versus some sort of integration, whether that be forced assimilation or some sort of multiculturalism. Empires like Rome and ancient Persia, who could make loyal subjects out of conquered people, had an extreme, undeniable advantage over empires like mustache man’s germany that couldn’t get anywhere near as much value out of their acquired populations and land.

[@noob_da_game4015]

+1000 paradox socialcredit

[@GloriousEagle69]

the main problem is PDX refuses to take risk and give any sort of good buff to something controversial. theres no point in trying to portray history when everything is woke.

[@iampineappleonpizza]

Caste system AND rascism? This is what victoria should be

[@fish5671]

every time i see a video about vic3 i get an itch to play the game and then i do and immedietaly remember how mid it is, just makes me think what could have been

[@ColonelHess]

I think your mistaken when it comes to ideology overriding living standards, alot of the time ideology follows a real problem and attempts to cure it such as poverty, a Han serf only has time to care about how well fed they are, they dont think like a 2024 college student, I think having arbitary revolts is bad for the game because before small lost cause revolts like that were handled by having an area be in a "revolt" status but not braking it off and only really bothering you with it if it was even possible for them to win, as in the police cant handle it any more. Think about the upper class people who are going to lead it, the generals, the officers, ect, their not going to want to throw their lives away unless they think there is some chance to win, this chance just makes the game more arbitrary, at lest the way you discribe it "they cant win and they know it but they try any way" sounds kinda dumb, I mean the Spartacist uprising is the closist I can think of for somthing like this which would be a small full blown revolt in a small area, but they thought they could win because the goverment and army was so weak, they would not have done it in 1910 is what im saying.

[@TheKadanz]

I love racism!

[@arandombard1197]

Maybe next time you upload a review, don't spend 2 minutes repeating that you put any effort into the video and you don't care about the game?

[@petros-v4w]

Confusing review you should categorize the various sections and analyze them for newest players.

[@Croweyboi]

i hate the new update carnt seem to bolster groups that i want to pass the laws that i want think this update is shit and thinking about never playing this game again

[@tannerunderwood264]

Finally someone feels the way I do. Companies suck now and like you said, trying to do anything but pass Secret Police is useless for movements. The discrimination change is really good but that's about it, game feels terrible now. Oh and harvest conditions, those need to be taken out they're just dumb (in a game context)

[@hansnotig2138]

They just need to add hoi4 light warfare (not buggy, stockpile, change doctrines, changes rifles of soldiers once in stock) and proper navies and this game will be the best pdx has ever created

[@TheMaztercom]

They cant, the whole vic3 warfare code is trash, thats what they said, they cant changue it to something remotely similar to hoi4 cuz they already coded this trash sustem

[@tannerunderwood264]

I wouldn't like to manage a hoi4 style army in Vic 3 honestly, at least no stockpiles or doctrines, but I think the PM's need to have more of an impact on the quality of weapons instead of just the quantity (outside of just line to skirmish). The navy on the other hand, when it comes to assigning missions and zones should be more like hoi4, it makes zero sense why troops can move through convoy raiding with zero penalty until the nation is in a convoy deficit.

[@azura6804]

this dont fix anything on the game the problem with victoria is how repetitive it is,nothing change that much from game to game is always the same boring cicles of getting the same laws and building orders to industralize,and then we have the new war which is totally hands off making what u build for not cool at all

[@vivamongolia]

Game needs a lot more than local flavor. No real interest in anything like this until the game itself improves a lot.