Video Game Characters YOU Were Gaslit into Hating! (ft. Melody Nosurname)

From Big the Cat to Navi, gamers have been way too harsh on these funny fellas.
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0:00 Intro
0:36 Navi
2:30 Duck Hunt
3:40 Tingle
5:30 Toad
6:43 Various Marios
8:17 Birdo
10:27 Bowser Jr.
11:45 Slippy
13:14 Oddjob
14:38 Various Pokemon
18:12 Ember
19:36 Ashley Graham
21:21 Whitney
24:08 Rabbids
28:11 Raiden
32:13 These Guys Suck
33:55 Sonic Characters
37:25 Bubsy

[@thecampingyeen2524]

Why were 2000s era gamers/game reviewers filled with so much malice and anger for these characters??? 😭

[@1heKing]

Apple pies and low SAT scores.

[@wolfclaw719]

search me I'm form that era and when I played these games the only character who bugged me was Ashely and that was only because I was bad at the game on my first attempt

[@gollossalkitty]

Millenials had the problem of being traditionally pop media middle school pilled (i dunno what to call it but its like the mindset of being "totally an adult" at 13 and making your life into a sitcom or other scripted realistic-fictional media) and had the ability to go on the internet sadly

[@violetwealwright1869]

While not the entire reason, a big part of why a lot of new media people at the time went all in on hating is because negative content got clicks/views/whatever metric, and once monetization became a common thing it was off to the races, and turned an already self-feeding process into one that generated money.

[@SirSealIII]

@@violetwealwright1869Yeah hate sells

[@Waffletigercat]

While it’s true that a lot of people did hate Tingle for being kinda queer, and that’s shitty of those people, there is another reason to hate Tingle. He charged a SHITLOAD to translate those maps in the original version of Wind Waker. Like, WAY too much, especially for something mandatory to complete the game.

[@lunalesombras1150]

He's also implied to put his brother into slavery!

[@hollowfox213]

@@lunalesombras1150 He puts like... six of his brothers into slavery in WW, and it's not even really implied either, practically said out loud lmao

[@MxPokirby]

@@hollowfox213 Something tells me a lot of those people who'd become violently angry at random effeminate male characters actually wouldn't have any problem with slavery, especially towards characters just like the one they already hate.

[@hollowfox213]

@@MxPokirby Or, or... You're strawmanning, and most people dislike Tingle because he extorts you for more money than you can carry in your wallet in WW, slowing the game down to a complete crawl right before the big climax, and the fact he's a slave owner just adds to people's disgust for him. Can we stop pretending like the /only/ reason people hate Tingle is cause he's a lil fruity, and that that somehow also translates to them being racists?

[@darienb1127]

Oh yeah, Tingle's a god damn swindle in Wind Waker! I think he's a funny little man and he has some funny spin offs (that we never got in the west), but the WW version of him is just despicable.

[@ultra_magikarp3880]

People hated Big the Cat because Arin Hanson doesn't read instructuons

[@malimaui2802]

People hated Big long before Arin, if anything I think Arin sorta helped Big’s haters disappear. That’s just me though

[@Sireington]

People hated Big because there was all these cool characters and then there was a giant cat who only fishes. His most interesting thing is having a frog bff. And I think he would be slightly creepy to the kids of that current era. So yeah.

[@darienb1127]

People hated Big, now they love him. Jon St. John fucking hates him though. Don't ask him to do the voice.

[@kaylemathewcomendador6964]

Pretty sure it’s also because peoples reactions to Big were something along the lines of; “WHAT’S THIS FISHING GAME DOING IN MY FAST ACTION PLATFORMER!?!”

[@liammcnicholas918]

@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 If Big the Cat haters played FF7 Rebirth (a game with like a bajillion minigames), they’d lose it.

[@danielgaylor]

These 2000 gamers were not filled with whimsy and wonder

[@salderr]

no bitches meme but instead no whimsy

[@juliannocartagena2007]

You know, unlike in USA, Japan liked Tingle enough to give him his own DS duology. The first game even got localized in Europe!

[@RenniUltraFox]

Yeah I wanna check those out sometime

[@widerekxxanimations6842]

Wait DUOLOGY!?! I knew that he had a game, but 2?!? Guess you learn somrthing every day

[@RandomPerson-xi7jv]

You mean that dating game and the one about money?

[@mintygreendays]

​@@RandomPerson-xi7jv Yes, those two games.

[@dustymcwari4468]

​​​@@widerekxxanimations6842one was an adventure where you had to become filthy rich and donate all that to a god in order to reach a promised paradise, while making sure to manage your money well, because it doubles as your health, and you gotta do that while living in a very greedy land where you gotta pay people for about everything, including personal bodyguards because Tingle sucks at fighting xd The other one is he being trapped inside a fairytale book, where he wants to get to the happy ending with the princess of the land and escape, your companions are those from the Wizard of Oz, and u gotta time travel and date a bunch of women to build connections that will help you out later on to reach the ultimate goal

[@MegaDude10]

Genwunners hate object Pokemon, yet they have a rock with arms, a pile of sludge and a POKEBALL WITH EYES.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

Honestly, I would say a lot of Gen 1’s designs have aged like milk. They really could’ve used a redesign, not a major one, just tweak them so they don’t end up looking so out of place, y’know?

[@princeapoopoo5787]

To be fair to Voltorb+Electrode, they are similar to the mimic, a common fantasy creature. Of course, I'm also not one of the people you're talking about, as I'm a huge Garbodor+Trubbish fan :3

[@liammcnicholas918]

@@princeapoopoo5787 I honestly think Garbodor is cute.

[@darienb1127]

Personally, I find the stuff around Raiden hilarious. Kojima saw that people hated him, so he decided to traumatize and mutilate the poor fucker, then rebuild him million dollar man style until people loved him. And it WORKED. This has no right to work as well as it did, but Kojima is also Kojima so who knows.

[@genemelendez368]

It’s funny how people hated Whitney when Clair was even worse. You have a grown ass adult woman throwing a tantrum and not accepting the fact that she lost to a 10 year old. It took threatening to call Lance in order for her to give you the badge you earned

[@bossbrozork3022]

Well if did your research you might've find out that the protagonists of gold/silver/crystal and hgss are actually 11 years old, so yeah clair pull a tantrum because she lost to a 11 year old.

[@piranhalettuce]

Clair malding over losing to a 11 year old was the funniest shit ever

[@platinumg.8614]

Whitney she at least she was like facing frustation for losing. (you don't get full control what you feel about something) After that she give you badge.

[@ill_hex8103]

Insert workplace harassment meme here…

[@princeapoopoo5787]

True! Whitney literally just got so sad that she forgot to give you the badge. Clair outright refused to, to the fact that you had to LEAVE the room to get it. Can't stand her. I've turned on Whitney and think she's just a silly silly.

[@AH-uz3fx]

Have you considered that the reason people don't like Luigi, Birdo, Daisy and Waluigi, is actually because their clutter leads to the absolute disaster of it being 4 characters harder to select Wario??

[@freakfoxvevo7915]

"No one has cared to hate any toad other than this one (the SMB1 Version)" Paper Mario fans would like a word with you

[@lunalesombras1150]

Not just them, but like... Nobody has anything good to say about the voice, in any iteration, and that's also the main thing that gets mentioned about the character, with Blue Toad being named Buckenberry coming in a distant third.

[@RenniUltraFox]

@@lunalesombras1150 I love Toad and I like his usual voice. It doesn’t bother me!

[@scrunkore]

​@lunalesombras1150 tbf the "toad voice" people do is a gross exaggeration of what it actually sounds like and I think people forget that

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

@@RenniUltraFox Toad's voice is funny tbh

[@KazShiro]

I loved toad even back then but the hate for him stretched far beyond mario 1. You can blame plushtubers like SuperMarioLogan for it stretching even farther to the point of making it a punchline to hurt toad in some way same in sprite animations. Feels similar with Tails as well thanks to a certain person behind the Tails abuse videos

[@derpydoggo8880]

Navi was like the "whip crack" sound effect in Johnny Test. She either became background noise to you, or she made you mald every time you heard her.

[@strangevol5264]

I dunno about you but I wanted to kiss her

[@funnypeashootercreature]

i find it funny how 2000s gamers™ acted so hateful towards bubsy when those same reviewers would do the same things bubsy would do in their videos: >catchphrases >non-stop talking >constant 4th wall breaks >[insert reference here every few minutes] >'funny' gag about them being cocky with a pun or joke at the end by all means bubsy was literally made for them, darn, bubsy WAS them

[@MegaDude10]

That's why they hated him, they were looking into a mirror and hated the reflection.

[@Sireington]

Maybe it was also because the games were very mediocre at best

[@heihogreenzx4704]

Honestly, I’d say it’d come down to personality and tone. Bubsy ended up coming across as unlikable to me because he just kinda had this sorta… fake aura to him? He only existed to chase a trend and aged badly as soon as the puddle dried up. Ironically, I can say the same for those reviewers. I do not like Bubsy and I’m confused as to why people are suddenly acting like the Bubsy games are suddenly decent. They’re a mediocre at best and frustrating at worst set of games that really should’ve stayed in the 2000s, being forgotten alongside all the AVGN clones not dissimilar to them.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

@@heihogreenzx4704from what I’ve heard, it was the most recent one that was decent. It took em a few decades but they finally got it

[@liammcnicholas918]

@@funnypeashootercreature You forgot yelling at you to like and subscribe every 5 minutes.

[@SuperStaticPro]

Oh yeah. Whitney. I remember being told Whitney was difficult and didn’t understand why. Because both times I fought her (once in the original Gold and once again in the remake.) I beat her on my first try.

[@bossbrozork3022]

You have gained my respect.

[@piranhalettuce]

Same, I always just beat her with my over leveled Quilava or a Heracross. I also never got why people always say Cynthia was difficult, I remember playing Platinum for the first time, beat her on my first try and I went "Wait, that's it? that's the extremely difficult fight?"

[@lewatoaofair2522]

All I did was grind my party, beat Whitney, walked away and back to get the badge, and went on. No hard feelings.

[@asierx7047]

​​​@@piranhalettuce seeing as half of Cynthia's team is weak to Ice, any trainer with a Weavile could do insanely well.

[@GAMEFAN27]

​@@piranhalettuce if you prepare you will have an easy time but she is also in the one game where trainers have ev and ivs to increase stats.

[@TeknoThom]

Gonna be that guy but the Bowsers in the first seven castles aren’t real. They’re just a random minion in disguise which you can only see if you defeat the fake Bowser with a Fire Flower

[@RenniUltraFox]

That’s true! Reason we didn’t mention that is because a lot of folks playing SMB back in the day didn’t know that.

[@TeknoThom]

@@RenniUltraFox I see, fair enough

[@masahirosakurai2042]

7:08 Heh… let’s just say… I was storkin it… and lits hust say… it was… my pingas… h

[@RenniUltraFox]

Thank you for the insight Sakurai love your games

[@bytchbytez]

Calm down boy

[@Thebloodiestguy]

Bruh they uploaded your comment to his twitter

[@masahirosakurai2042]

@@RenniUltraFox ssmash brothers

[@shiethegal]

26:20 I like how whenever professional video game critics are mentioned, we *_HAVE_* to play the Cuphead clip. 😂

[@RenniUltraFox]

It’s the law…

[@lewatoaofair2522]

Don’t forget “too much water”.

[@shiethegal]

@@lewatoaofair2522 Also comparing the IGN score of God Hand to the IGN score of Imagine Party Babies.

[@SirSealIII]

35:20 Fun fact: The main reason it was hard for the Game Grumps to finish this one was literally because they never used the lure button, from what I’ve heard.

[@MudFan]

As someone who can't bring myself to hate characters unless they're a despicable villain, this is all so silly lol

[@mykaruest3620]

I find it insidious because they hate the characters for being a PoC, LGBT, disabled, woman, or other marginalized identity. I mean, even in the video, it showed the characters get slurred constantly

[@Andre-cx4ul]

I imagine that the reason there was a lot of hate on the 2000 and early 2010 was because a lot of people wanted to be the next avgn, so they just started cursing without the charm of avgn, that and maybe 911 or something idk lol

[@humbleebumblee]

The rabbids were abnoxious at best when they first came out but slowly overtime began to evolve and become less enraged. Bubsy literally abuses his niece, nephew and his pet armadillo because "wUt CoUlD pAwSiBlY gO wRoNg?!!"

[@hoodie_raccoon6327]

I never interpreted that the Tingle hate could be implied homophobia. The cogs in my brain are turning and a whole lot makes sense now I wish you included what might be the WORST thing the Zelda fanbase has done. Do you know those Japan exclusive DS Tingle games? There was a time Nintendo considered bringing "Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland" to more countries. Nintendo sent out a survey to check what the AMERICAN fanbase thought of this game. Of course because of the Tingle hate at the time, those fans did NOT want that game coming here. So now you have extra context why the Tingle DS duology was (mostly) Japan exclusive. (this info was found from Did You Know Gaming. Here's the exact video I heard the story kzbin.info/www/bejne/goOYg5lseb-pbrs )

[@zeeteepippi275]

It's a combination of many different factors that translated poorly to an American audience. He's got that weird Japanese appearance and humorous mannerisms that westerners don't understand, especially not in the 90s. Then there the context of him being a middle aged man outcast from society who can only relate to children, just kinda hanging out and scouting things from afar. It's not a good look considering the moral panics, particularly around this time. And Wind Waker certainly didn't make it any better with the map quest.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

I have a friend who hates Daisy, mostly just due to the fact that she associates her with some bad personal experiences. Also, Mel herself actually got some stuff wrong about Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels and Super Mario Bros. 2. Namely, the reason Nintendo originally decided against its original release wasn’t because of its difficulty, but rather because of how generally similar it was to the original Super Mario Bros. This concern was due to the fact that the Video Game Crash of 1983 happened predominantly due to loss of interest in the medium due to the lack of variety, so Nintendo took Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic, and, instead of just changing some sprites and text to Mario characters, actually did tweak some other aspects of the game, such as how the character select works.

[@bossbrozork3022]

Or it could be both.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

@@bossbrozork3022 Yeah, it’s just that the whole difficulty thing was nowhere near at all as big a factor as almost everyone claims it to be. Heck, when I played SMBtLL, it wasn’t much more difficult than SMB1 outside of a select few sections, but to be fair, despite expectations, SMB1 isn’t the easiest to e games out there.

[@chronoplague]

If I'm not mistaken, Howard Phillips has said on a couple of occasions he didn't approve the game for localization because of its difficulty. Games made for the Famicom Disk Expansion had save functionality, which would have made the difficulty more digestible, like it is in Lost Levels (which also had its difficulty tweaked). However, the NES hadn't released a game with a battery yet, and were unlikely to start with SMB2, so powering off would have meant starting from 1-1 every time. While there are multiple factors including the market crash and the game's similarity to SMB, difficulty did play a major role.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

@@chronoplague After double checking, I have found that we are both correct.

[@bandannadoo]

It's also worth noting that Doki Doki Panic was originally conceptualised as a vertical-based platformer, which Miyamoto saw and suggested that they added more Mario-ish design to it to turn it into the game we know now. It was heavily influenced by Mario, and also was made by the same team as the original Mario, so it isn't as dramatic of a change as people claim it to be. Had Nintendo not been approached by Fuji Television it probably would have been released as a Mario game from the very beginning, but who knows.

[@whompywhomperson2139]

Glad to see my boy Raiden get mentioned. He gets more love now thanks to Rising, but if you were around after MGS2's release he was difficult to talk about without people getting mad, he was NOT welcome. I probably would have included Axl from Mega Man X in here, though my intro to him was Command Mission where I liked him a lot there, most people who dislike him usually only remember his debut

[@SSBFreak85]

I personally don't think the Tingle hatred really picked up until Wind Waker, and I think half of it was because he kinda came off as a lot shadier than his harmless counterpart from Majora's Mask, even ignoring how much you needed to grind rupees to pay to get his charts read; making his relatives work away on his island (one dedicated to himself, no less) in addition to possibly kidnapping a random stranger, dressing him up like Tingle and putting him to work as well. I guess this is why we got the Majora's Mask Tingle in Hyrule Warriors and not the Wind Waker version.

[@DerDrBach]

The ultimate concept that internet gaslit us into hating was W A T E R L E V E L S I actually like water levels

[@Barakon]

I do too, even if a lot of game devs don’t know how to make them. Because when they do, it works wonders! Ever played Rayman origins? They got basically 1 & 1/2 water worlds in it all done marvelously!

[@platinumg.8614]

I really like water mechanics btw. I always enjoy justing swimming in game. Also I think it can get creative some way or idk, I just like water.

[@DerDrBach]

@@Barakon haven't played origins yet, just legends. Might try it sometime.

[@DerDrBach]

@@platinumg.8614 same here

[@darienb1127]

I like the aesthetics of water levels, but not the mechanics. In a lot of older games, water levels had really annoying controls or air mechanics tied to them. Just look at most water levels in Sonic. For every good water level like Aquarium Park, there's like 4 Labyrinth Zones (across games in general I mean.)

[@PlatinumComet]

Man, this list really takes me back to all of those "Top 10 Worst Characters" countdowns that all conveniently had the same few characters in every list. -Also, joke's on you, I never hated any of these characters. :)-

[@jackcollins1416]

Rob Paulsen actually revealed in a Q&A in 2020 that he didn’t mind voicing Bubsy and that the real role he hated doing was Coconut Fred. I doubt anyone remembers Coconut Fred. If so, good.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

Was Coconut Fred that one SpongeBob ripoff?

[@CrashGordon94]

@@heihogreenzx4704 Yep.

[@GameShark9000]

I nominate Krystal as another example. She got benched as a damsel in her debut to everyone's groans but her sweetness and cool mix and match of sci fi and fantasy earned her a following. When she got added to Smash Bros as an assist trophy, the only criticism is that she isn't playable.

[@RenniUltraFox]

I considered putting Krystal in the video but the hate for her was never even close to Slippy

[@gilitovenegas2339]

I swear, the original N64 version of Star Fox Adventures (Dinosaur Planet if you want to be a nerd) had Krystal's playtime scale much longer than what we got. I played the prologue segment and then never touched the game again cause screw hot furry women in video games, who even needs them when we got one polygon titted Lara Croft to jerk off at.

[@splat-trainproductions]

@@RenniUltraFox What about Andross for appearing in all but one game? I don't hate the idea of Andross being the main villain of Adventures, but the execution & voice could've been better.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@RenniUltraFox Good news Starfox artist Takaya Imammura has made a sci-fi game called (Omega 6 The Video Game) coming soon.

[@leftoxfluxinton3388]

Surprised to see Resetti make the list (even if it's in the section of kind of justifiable hatred), but not Tom Nook. People back then treated him like he was "secretly the most EVIL character in all of gaming" just because he made you pay off the loan for the house he gave you. With no time limit, might I add.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

People just hate taxes

[@mavstation]

The amount of ableism that people spew with big is just awful the fact that was normalized is depressing

[@swarler]

he just wants to fish for gods sakes!

[@mavstation]

He just lives with his pet frog and wants to fish how can people be mean

[@orangeslash1667]

@@mavstation The problem is in a Sonic game people only care about going fast, otherwise it's hated. However what people need to remember is that Sonic is known more for just speed. Yuji Naka even said the appeal of Sonic is that speed is the reward for good platforming. The boost games ignore that rule which explains why Yuji Naka left.

[@uberculex]

I mostly hate Big because his voice is literally the voice cartoons back in the day would use to represent a mentally challenged person. That just isn't ok.

[@mavstation]

That is a fair critique however a lot of people hate big because he is coded to be special needs and said the r slur about him rather than pointing stuff like that out

[@BlackOwlMage]

I remember Slippy being hated which is crazy cuz Slippy in recent years has become my favorite StarFox character (partially due to a lot of fan works of Slippy) and he's the main reason I want a new StarFox game

[@ill_hex8103]

Assault helped a lot by making him stand his ground when others attempt to hound him.

[@spongebobfan78]

The irony about Amy is that recent games lessened the lovestruck aspect and a lot fans surprisingly hate it.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

Mid-late 2000s gaming outlets and their consequences

[@akiomykitty]

this was the last we saw of renni before she became really cool

[@superhedgehog6447]

Idk why but "THEY WANTED TO SHOOT" "THEY WANTED TO GUNS" "THEY DEMANDED THE MOST REALISTIC PUB C HAIR GRAPHICS" Is so hilarious and so true 🤣 Even though i was a baby to a little kid throughout the 2000s. I somewhat remember how highly homophobic the media was at the time

[@supercamborg4218]

I love Big, he’s genuinely one of my comfort characters

[@Rainydayz6478]

Bowser Jr is the best and you can't convince me otherwise

[@Totavier]

27:45 Alright that's good to know. The next time someone brings the question: "What horrible things Ubisoft has done?", I'm going to say: _They made a Rayman CP game!._ 😂

[@petite-hound8732]

Rayman cp is a éducation game, cp is the name of a class like 5 grade in France.

[@carlclo2988]

I’m gonna defend Resetti’s honor on this one, he’s hilarious. I used to purposefully reset my game just to see what he had to say. I’m honestly sad he’s been all but dropped from the series.

[@off-the-grounder568]

Also he’s just doing his job.

[@darienb1127]

It's annoying when it's not your fault. Like the power goes out or someone else turns off the console

[@plaguebirb4756]

Ohh! I got a funny little story about that Ocarina of Time owl! I never got to play the game as a kid, so I had to emulate it as an adult. So, I was reading all of the dialogues to get all that sweet lore I missed out on. When I met the owl again in the Lost Woods, he told me how to NOT get looped in the maze. He said, "follow the music". My boyfriend was pretty shook when I told him about this, since he knows the game by heart and just runs past everything pretty effortlessly. "I didn't know he said that" Thanks, owl friend.🦉👍

[@SatiricalSheep]

As a Baldi's Basics enjoyer myself, i know there are a lot of characters in that game that people absolutely DESPISE, probably since, due to the nature of the game, most of the other non-Baldi NPCs are made to make your notebook collecting experience harder. BUT by far the most hated character in that game is definitely Playtime, she is one of the characters that forces you to stop what you were doing completely, but i feel people always point to her for being one of the most annoying, is because 1: It takes like a whole 10 seconds to deal with her (If you don't have the scissors) and 2: She is one of the classic characters, which means she was added in the original gamejam version of classic, so she was one of the only actually annoying characters to have to deal with, since the other characters either weren't as prominent in the gameplay, or their mechanic was easily counteractable (Playtime in Baldi's Basics plus isn't that bad when you consider all the other idiots you have to deal with, but those guys just weren't in the first game!) Honestly i get it, she is a pain to deal with, but i honestly kinda love her- she just a silly little goober who just wants to play jumprope, i guess it's fine to hate her in the game, but like her outside the game, that's what i do

[@liammcnicholas918]

Isn’t that the point of enemies, to hinder your progress so you can find solutions to beating them? Isn’t finding solutions…the point of EVERY video game?

[@SatiricalSheep]

@@liammcnicholas918 yea i know, right now i am concerned why didn't i shorten my comment oh my lordy i wrote a whole essay

[@1heKing]

wait people hated tingle. I always thought he was hilariously weird.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

Well, there’s a TvTropes article called Americans Hate Tingle. The article is about characters who are popular in the area of the game’s home release nation, but despised elsewhere. Another example would be Hiyoko Saionji from Danganronpa 2, where she’s one of the single most popular characters in the franchise’s native Japan, but heavily, heavily disliked in the West, albeit she does have some defenders even over there.

[@thegreatgoobert5847]

Well tingle is first and foremost a joke character and sometimes jokes don't really translate well. I certainly think he's funny, but I understand why people wouldnt like him since he's intended to be kinda creepy.

[@matthewsimmons9277]

Ironically enough by later games slippy’s R wing is customized to have the strongest shields.

[@Part_Time_Fox]

Its funny how so much of this hate (or pointless edge) spawned from early internet communities and got passed down regardless if newer gamers never even experienced the originals! Like youll see kids online younger than the 3Ds claim to hate these guys and have no reason when asked. Even tho its cooled down today its funny to see how far we've come and im glad most people respect birdo now, the only people that seem to hate her now are just genuinely transphobic. Currently commenting at the halfway mark but 10/10 video you both make a great team!

[@RenniUltraFox]

Thank you so much Tay!! 💖

[@ill_hex8103]

Younger generations are gonna get cooked if the cycle of horribly aged takes from older generations doesn't end. Wait, that's just politics. Never mind.

[@ViniSocramSaint]

Tingle is universally hated, as he is an "okama". In Japan that's a concept that lumps feminine man, crossdressing men, gay and bi men, non-binary males and trans women (yes, not trans men) all together. It's supposed to be a degoratory stereotype with EXACT interpretation of what westerners think of "lesser men". The japanese learned that from westerners on the reformation period, when the emperor obligated everyone to copy the europeans and "the new-worlders". Gamers and anime fans actually move mountains to convince everyone there is nothing wrong with it. Most common justification is that "it's just culture".

[@ViniSocramSaint]

Same for Birdo, tho Birdo had a recent rebranding and is considered trans representation now

[@slashermaster28]

6:53- Honestly, I thought you were going to mention Mario himself since a lot of fan works have convinced fans that he's abusive to Luigi. (Okay, granted, he didn't exactly do himself any favors in Luigi's Mansion three where rather than helping Luigi reach the location of the final boss, he basically just showed off how much more prepared he was for that climb)

[@geschnitztekiste4111]

And there was that one Mario Power Tennis clip where he stepped on Luigi‘s foot

[@HyLion]

You know something that used to bug me when I was younger? People used to use Mario throwing the penguin off cool cool mountain or sacrificing yoshi as evidence that he's a bad person. You know, as if it wasn't them doing it

[@bakufan0658]

Fun fact about Ashley her VA is the same who dose Sandy in SpongeBob

[@silveramyknux241]

I never got the hate for Navi. Maybe because the 3DS version increased how long she would talk to you; but it was never as prominent as how others would describe. And whenever she did speak, I mostly ignored her.

[@XVINutkabob]

Funny thing about Oddjob, he was described in the original novel as a giant.

[@kennydarmawan13]

If you ask me, it's easier to scapegoat a character who was in a bad product than complain about a bad product. But as we all know, the issue isn't the characters. It's the writing of the characters. Let's admit it. When a product is bad, so are the characters. And afaik, it's easier to hate on a new character who was written badly in said bad product than to hate the product as a whole. Cause that would also mean hating on the characters we DO love that also suffer from said bad writing. To wit, Scrappy-Doo, while annoying, is the summation of the poor writing during Scooby's time, not because of his gremlin design or annoying voice. But what we aren't aware of is how awful Scooby and Shaggy were during the Scrappy era. And no one wants to hate the duo at all. I've seen many bad/divisive characters people claimed that were reintroduced and were made likable. I can name two: Webby (Ducktales) and Broly (Dragon Ball). While the latter has his fans, he was a divisive figure. And when they were remade, without the need to fundamentally change them, people love those characters.

[@Motoskichimo1974]

Most of the characters hate come from the unfortunate choices made by the developers in how they implemented game mechanics. So it's not the characters fault really. But though tingle in wind waker is annoying due to how he was implemented. He still deserves the hate because he really is a bad person. He literally kidnapped someone for hard labor and makes them dress like him. His other versions might not be that bad. But wind waker is really more of a villain.

[@Bareq_99]

Had NO idea tingle was hated goddamn 💀

[@heihogreenzx4704]

Honestly surprised, there’s even a TvTropes article called “Americans Hate Tingle”. (The article being about characters being beloved in the region of the real world their media is from, but hated in another part of the world, like how Tingle was/is hated in the USA (and I guess Canada too? Idk) but beloved in the Zelda series’ home nation of Japan.)

[@silveramyknux241]

36:54 Also in her defense, the kiss helped revive Sonic like in a fairytale, and Sonic acts like a human being more than a hedgehog and has a anthro body. On top of Rouge and Knuckles already being established as a possible relationship, when that’s also between two different species. Makes it in my opinion okay for Elise to date Sonic. As he’s more of a human with a drastic different appearance, than just a hedgehog. It’s kinda like a human in are world having the hots for Crystal from Star Fox, but isn’t into actual wolves.

[@gratefulcranegames]

Unironically love Garbodor still to this day despite everything, what a big ol goofball, big thumbs up

[@DSpiritwolf]

Hearing "millennials gaslighting you" as a millennial has fucking aged me and I'm on the tail end of it. 💀 That being said, i didn't have a problem with most of these characters growing up so idk what was up with that..

[@RenniUltraFox]

I’m a younger end millennial too so I feel your pain

[@misterzygarde6431]

Man, 2000’s gamers had some bad taste. 17:56 If it helps, the many kids who grew up with it are voicing their love for the games. Personally I’d be down for another soft reboot. Albeit downplayed so that old Pokemon can be caught but it’s only the ones who got a new evolution, pre-evolution, regional form, or a combination of any of those three. As for Whitney, I personally used a female Quagsire that knew Rock Smash. As someone who grew up playing Rabbids Go Home. I loved the Rabbids. I would love to see them become the Dedede of Rayman in being former enemies. 38:03 I had this funny idea for a Pokemon in the vein of Lucario and Zoroark based off this funny fella. First form is called Bubcat. Second form is called Skarlynx. Both are Ground/Flying.

[@ShinMajin]

I...don't remember half of these characters being hated.

[@DerDrBach]

I never understood why Luigi was so hated in online cartoons, he is so cool.

[@michaelturner2806]

6:15 "Why is Bowser even here? He's not defending the castle with the Princess in it." He's actually not! Those are his minions disguised as him ruling over the other 7 castles. You can see their Bowser disguise fall away as they die if you hit them with enough fireballs.

[@johnofonett8036]

I know you mentioned characters like Navi and Tingle, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention Fi from Skyward Sword! She’s basically become the “new Navi” in terms of the Zelda tutorial character everyone seems to hate for no reason. To me, she’s even less hatable than Navi. Her design is great, her theme is awesome, and I love the little character arc they give her, with moments of her subtly showing more emotion as the game goes on. Also, she’s the literal spirit of the Master Sword, and that’s just objectively awesome. And that ending scene! God! It made me tear up so bad!

[@gilitovenegas2339]

She thankfully was nerfed in the remastered Switch version from constantly giving you tips and tutorials to a feint glow on the master sword indicating she would give you help with a press of a button. So there's that, now for Navi...

[@kenji6492]

I think Fi is liked more w BotW and TotK hammering home her sacrifice, constantly there and helping but not able to reach out for more than moments at a time.

[@petergriscom3431]

This video itself feels like it's trying to gaslight me with some of these. A good chunk of the Tingle hate came from how ugly he looked and the creepy vibes he gives off in Wind Waker, what with you having to break him out of jail, then finding out that he owns slaves and vengeful idols. Not to say there weren't homo-homeboy haters, just that homophobia wasn't the _sole_ reason for the West's disdain for him. I found his MM incarnation endearing, but his WW incarnation had slightly sinister undertones. I haven't played his Rupeeland spinoffs, but I heard he gets a glow-up. And the Rabbids deserve every bit of hate, considering what happened to Rayman. Canning a whimsical platformer mascot, and what would've been a really interesting game going by the trailers and leaked builds of Rayman 4, in favor of a shallow fotm concept, driven by shareholders and mindless focus groups. The only difference between Rabbids and the generic shooter protagonists of the late 00s is the target demographic. The only silver lining is that Rayman was always shaped by what's currently popular, going from classic cartoon, to dark and mysterious masterpiece, to John Leguizamo braaapp-fest, to silly French webtoon, so Rabbids replacing him ultimately made little difference in the long run.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

Agreed, I’d openly say homophobia was absolutely not the sole major reason for the Tingle hate. Another reason was Tingle charging ridiculous prices in WW for his charts, which are mandatory for finishing the game. And there’s eight of them. Which made that part of the game an unbearable slog. Thank god they toned it down quite a bit in HD, but by then, the damage had been done.

[@vesseltried]

guy who has only seen one piece looking at tingle: this is giving me major bon clay vibes

[@cameronshand8874]

Most of these characters are hated by people because they have annoying voices or annoying mechanics that interrupted your gameplay. It's not hard to understand why they'd be annoyed.

[@emilylefebvre646]

This is a good reminder for why so many Japanese developers felt like certain games just wouldn't do well/would have to be heavily altered in localization for so long.

[@WokioWolfy]

The reason why people hated gen 5 pokemon was because in Pokemon B/W, all the pokemon in it were new gen 5 ones, so you couldn't get any older gen Pokemon until endgame.

[@bossbrozork3022]

The tingle situation was even more nonsensical because he has two games to his name that didn't get to the us but both of them confirmed that he is straight.

[@ardentdrops]

Terrible take. Mr Resetti is a king doing a much needed job with integrity and dedication. Anyone who has a beef with him is a criminal

[@ardentdrops]

He "wastes your time" because if he didn't you could abuse the lack of auto save. If you had any reason to hate that then you were a dirty little cheater and I have no sympathy for you lol

[@tirzahroseroot]

19:19 As a Spyro fan who’s first interaction with the fandom (and video games in general) was Skylanders, yeah I can say the fandom is insane for no good reason.

[@VJArt_]

Great video Renni! Love all the segments and the format of the video

[@boygame1955]

Why do people hate Navi so much when Kaepora Gaebora the Owl exists in the same game. Do you want me to repeat myself. > Yes No Why do people hate Navi so much when Kaepora Gaebora Owl exists in the same game. Do you want me to repeat myself. Yes > No

[@featurelength5086]

Yeah. Plus, people forget that Ocarina was kind of the first big name open(ish) world 3d adventure. Nintendo put Navi in with the assumption that kids would boot up the game after school, forget what they had been doing yesterday, and need a hint. It was 1996, online guides weren't as common or accessible, for most kids getting a guide would cost money!

[@princeapoopoo5787]

Some people hate Tingle because he is a fruity and otaku. I hate Tingle because he enslaved a man shipwrecked on his island and charged me an exorbitant amount of money to translate some maps. We are not the same. (Majora's Mask Tingle can stay. He's alright.)

[@Barakon]

24:24 The anger should be directed at Ubisoft, as a certain mediocre cyberpunk crossover has rightfully called out. Yeah the rabbids are annoying, but the real problem is Ubisoft’s apathy & greediness. When given to devs who at least have a little restraint & discipline (like Nintendo) or to those who actually care to write compelling silly stories with them (like the team who made rabbids go home) they can actually be fun characters. The real problem is that they were conceptualized as the video game equivalent to the minions. Rabbids shoulda been a spin-off & a way to fund for rayman projects instead of replacing him completely. 26:05 There’s not just a story reason but a meta-textual a reason why Ramon shot *the board of directors* not the *kaiju rabbids* in the end of Captain Laserhawk a Blood Dragon Remix.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Cyberpunk 77 got fucked up by everyone. Even the community rushed its development by screaming about how much they “Want their Keanu senpai right now!” or whatever. And the worst part is, I don’t think the majority of people learned anything from it…

[@shellyvision9693]

Most of these really did just boil down to either homophobia, transphobia, sexism, or not being a generic “badass male guy with guns” character. …or just being a Sonic character in general, remember how some people complained back in the day that Sonic had… friends? Like as in, the series had characters? …why the hell did they want Sonic and Eggman to be the only characters in the franchise?

[@1heKing]

sonic 06 mentally broke people

[@CybertronianKaiju]

Fun fact. I hated Toad not because of the original Mario but because of Mario Kart. Whenever I played as Yoshi it was ALWAYS Toad that was in 2nd and fighting me and beating me in races

[@megafan1137]

My experience with Big the Cat was honestly so phenomenal. As a kid who grew up on Somecallmejohnny and The Completionist, naturally I hated Big. Because all the cool guys on the internet hated Big. "UGH! HE'S SO LAME AND STUPID! AND I DON'T WANNA FISH IN A SONIC GAME!" Y'know the type. Then, I don't know what caused it, but I woke up with a revelation; "Oh my god. He's just a dopey guy who wants to fish with his frog. He's done nothing wrong (mostly because he's done nothing in general). He is... just. A guy. Trying to vibe." And from that moment onward, Big was my favorite character. Also, I'd like to nominate Axl from Mega Man X for this list. He's in an incredibly similar boat as Silver, being as his debut appearance was a game that was universally terrible all around. However, he has a bomb-ass character design, legitimately interesting backstory (especially by Mega Man standards), and has a distinct role in the Hunter Trio that compliments the battle-weary X and Zero extremely well. Plus his gameplay in Mega Man X8 is great! But for many people, you bring him up and all they wanna talk about is his annoying voice in X7 and how they just wanted to play as X.

[@darienb1127]

I watched the same people you did growing up it seems. But for Big, I personally think that he's better when he's a supporting character. He just doesn't have enough going on his own to make him an interesting protagonist. But playing with him in Heroes is really fun and he's one of the better party members in Chronicles.

[@jvts8916]

Birdo's case is also unusual in that the trans community is divided on whether her recent portrayal (being more of a movie star/singer) is better or her early appearances are too much of a black mark on her legacy. Given Poison from Final Fight used to be based on a *very* dated loophole for the heroes not hitting women before she became more heroic, I'm willing to give Birdo's past a pass as well.

[@stallionsLP]

I'll help quickly explain things with why Gen 5 became so despised: At the time when Gen 5 was coming out, a lot of older fans (and people who ditched the series around Gen 2 or 3 who didn't wanna be seen as cringe for liking it by high school bullies/ect) had come back wanting to try out the new games. And because the base game of Black and White were new pokemon only, a lot of people who didn't know any of them (and/or who didn't want to be seen as just fad chasers who only used Gen 1 pokemon knowledge to act like they knew what they were doing/saying) threw a fit because they couldn't just use what they knew/had before at the start. And so they took their frustrations out on the new pokemon because they couldn't only use what they wanted/knew, until it stuck forever. And with this, the kinda linear nature of Black/White and a few other issues at the time, it's what led to Gen 5 being seen at the time as the worst generation ever. After that, every gen ever has had more and more focus on every generation along-side the current/new gen be found in grass or other parts of the game, and an ever larger push of 'genwun' pandering as some like to call it. To the point some wish Game Freak could have done another soft reboot like Gen 5 for a clean slate and get things in order no matter how much people crying they can't have Charizard for the Nth time get upset over it.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

I mean at least you could still catch em all

[@MrAuthor3DS]

- What dealt a pretty big hit to Tingle's case was the Triforce Chart translations - the total costs were ENORMOUS. This gets alleviated a bit in Wind Waker HD, where Link only needs to get three Triforce Charts. - Ironic how opinions on Luigi, Daisy, Waluigi, Birdo, and Bowser Jr. have changed. (But I'll NEVER get over certain Smash fans that make death threats in Waluigi's "honor".) - In the Vanillite line's defense, they're actually living icicles covered in snow. Shaping them like happy ice cream cones is a stylistic choice that also references the kinds of classic food mascots for, say, old American diners. - I can't help but wonder if Ember's mere presence posed some "threat" to Spyro x Cinder shippers... - Remember all those people who get pissy whenever Baby Mario cries in the Yoshi's Island series? You know, the thing that happens when they get careless and get hit? I shudder to think of their parenting abilities... - At least Whitney gets over her sobbing within, say, a minute. CLAIR, however, demands that you do a whole trial in the dungeon behind Blackthorn City before she thinks to give you her badge! And in Crystal and the remakes, she gets pissy when you pass the elder's trial because she never did! Seriously, Clair is the real b____ here. - If you think about it, Raiden is kinda the Cloud Strife of Metal Gear - prettyboy fair hair, specializes in swordplay, and has boatloads of mental baggage.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

8:07 Knowing him he’d probably put it back on top of the shelf. He’s just as much of a bastard as Wario is, and I love them both for it

[@wizard6330]

That squirrel got me acting up ngl

[@MsHood1986]

The reason people dislike Amy Rose back then was because of her bad personally after SA2. When the Sonic X cartoon came out, she became more obsessive, pushy, threatening, and a bit stalkerish. Then that personally was put into the games.

[@silveramyknux241]

8:19 Did you know it was originally a Mario game before becoming Doki Doki Panic? And then turned back into a Mario game for a western release?

[@heihogreenzx4704]

Fun fact: the SMB2 sprites were built off the SMB3 sprites.

[@silveramyknux241]

@@heihogreenzx4704 Were they?

[@heihogreenzx4704]

@@silveramyknux241 Apparently so. Then again, SMB2 and SMB3 released in the same year, and SMB3 was in active development at the time. In order to release SMB2 quickly, they retooled the SMB3 sprites for it (as seen with the prototype sprites.)

[@shellyvision9693]

I’m shocked that you didn’t mention that the Tingle hate was so absurd and overblown that in North America, Nintendo had to hold a poll as to whether or not they’d even localize his games over here. *And more people voted no. Hence why they never officially released in here.*

[@kentarom2de945]

And is it ironic that people nowadays want Tingle's game to be released in the US without knowing it was their own fault for voting no instead of yes?

[@Barakon]

4:36 He zesty like that *that hand gesture that’s used to show off your nails *

[@user-fy5wd3zv2o]

The Rabbids were actually my 3rd favorite video game characters. Better than the Minions

[@williamgalindo2899]

i agree rabbids are Better than the Minions & cute & cool

[@lewatoaofair2522]

I never got the Navi hate. Having first played Ocarina of Time when these hate memes were at their zenith, I didn’t get it. Navi would just function as a reminder of where you are in the plot upon booting the game back up, and would be damn *quiet* for the next hour or so. I knew the hate was grossly exaggerated before I knew what that word meant.

[@kadino9285]

19:37 "Femoids" is such a funny word to me

[@carkiplier3201]

That's it, I'm gonna go draw comfort art of your gore character! Jeez people have had some real hatred for these characters, I mean I know I probably used to share some of this hatred but I never really cared that much. If I hated a character like Bubsy for example, I just wouldn't interact with anything related to him. It goes to show some of the stupid things people do in a blind rage, just kind of hating without giving it much thought. Splendid video.

[@RenniUltraFox]

Thank you!! Also that first sentence describes the video so well lmao

[@sipcee]

You could honestly make an entire 40 minute video on sonic characters alone the early 2000s on the internet were such a weird time when so many people for some reason decided that every sonic character except like Knuckles specifically was really annoying and bad and that only knuckles and tails should be allowed to exist this got so bad that sega literally advertised Sonic 4 episode 1 having no characters but sonic as like...a selling point Sonic in general is maybe one of the most over hated series on the internet

[@gameplanetanimations]

Resetti: 32:47 Awh. :< I diagree. I LOVE Mr. Resetti. They are extremely funny and make use at poking fun at the player for save scumming. It is an excellent example of the more gruff, and generally meanspirited characters in the early animal crossing games. And I wouldn't trade Resetti's existence for anything else in the world :3

[@caliburnabsolute8517]

Boy, does this bring me back! Especially with those clips of countdown KZbinrs I used to watch ten years ago. I'd like to believe those guys have moved past the ableism and transphobia they exhibited here (again, this stuff was from over a decade ago), but I don't keep up with them like I used to, so maybe that's wishful thinking. If this video ever gets a follow-up, I think it'd be worth talking about Eliwood from Fire Emblem. He used to be poorly-regarded for similar reasons to Raiden (not as "cool" as fellow protagonists Hector and Lyn, plus it's terribly unmanly to cry when your dad dies right in front of you, as we all know), so I think he'd fit this topic pretty well. That's if there's enough material for a second video in the first place, though. You covered a lot of good ground here already.

[@nutellie_was_here]

I was gaslit into hating Berdly (Deltarune). By myself.

[@mc.gemstone]

As someone that grew up watching a lot of ScrewAttack and other random Gamer reviewers back in the day that would make "top 10 worst characters in video games" type videos I feel like they did some form of physic damage to my 11-13 year old brain at the time.

[@TrevorWintersTV]

100 percent my favorite vid you’ve made so far!

[@RenniUltraFox]

Thanks trev!!

[@Mcpollo_Justdonalds]

It’s funny that most of these characters are the ones that I love

[@KrissyBlues]

The fighting game community is pretty bad about hating characters for really arbitrary reasons, and you wouldn't be surprised to find out a lot of them are because of characters with cutesy or feminine aesthetics. People HATE feminine or over the top characters like Lucky Chloe from Tekken or Sylvie Paula Paula from KOF, and Street Fighter's most hated character of all time is... A girl named Ingrid who's only appeared in a bargain bin official Mugen and a port of a port of Street Fighter Alpha 3, and aside from being implied to be a goddess doesn't really do anything major. Then there's ppl who don't want characters to return just because they were top tier or something, people in the guilty gear community couldn't stand Elphelt (also a cutesy girl might i add) and swore up and down she shouldn't return to strive solely because she was good in xrd. Lo and behold, she returned and she's a mid tier with a banger redesign lol

[@chip-toon]

MAN. only 5 minutes in so far, and this is taking me back to the days when people would make HATE SITES dedicated to characters/franchises they hated, hahahaha

[@darkychao]

Bowser actually isn't defending the castles other than the final one, they're all other enemies disguised as Bowser, that's why they change when you fireball kill them.

[@st4r64]

Love how the internet has turned face on Ashley.

[@heihogreenzx4704]

“I meet someone” -> “I am cheesed to meet them” -> “They kidnap me” -> “HELP ME LEON!”

[@DilosEkens]

The Tingle Homophobia bit honestly seems like a bit of a reach. From the point of discovering Tingle to watching this video, the only reasons I've ever heard people disliking him is due to either his face or prices for translating charts.