Violent Gentlemen | The Steve Dangle Podcast

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 Steve signs his zoo book
03:00 John Tavares goes for point 1000
06:30 The Leafs have been playing GREAT lately!
34:00 Ethan Bear to the Caps
40:00 Erik Gudbranson on Nick Cousins
53:00 Larkin, Zub, Joseph, Kelly, & Perron
1:03:00 Ryan Strome on Kyle Connor
1:10:00 Evander Kane and Ryan Hartman
1:16:00 Eric Robinson on Justin Barron
1:18:30 Kyle Dubas isn't making and coaching changes
1:43:00 The American baseball media disrespects Canada
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[@chestercheeto9768]

Adam hammering Dylan strome😂 the man can’t go one episode

[@abigailcrittenden5677]

You were saying that it was Dylan Strome with the knee on knee and I was confused because I watch every caps game and I was like… how did I miss that!

[@icandivebyzero]

It's worth noting that Perron was called for Intent to Injure whereas Mathews was called for cross-checking. In the Perron v Zub instance, the ref deemed it more severe in the moment.

[@Bryguy1986]

Good boy Jamie Benn. Yeah it was nutty what he did to Larkin, and player safety just shrugged it off.

[@billk516]

Cant wait for the Ohtani segment next podcast now his contract structure has been revealed. God I love that guy

[@treysmith1551]

Team player for sure

[@people3865]

His contract was out 2 days ago. I'm assuming they just didn't want to talk about it.

[@scottrainey2375]

Was at the jackets game yesterday and the worst part, for us fans at least, was that the cousins hit was originally a 5 min major. They reviewed it and reduced it to a 2 min! If that didn’t happen everything would’ve been fine

[@sctvfan1313]

My name is Chris (not the book chris), but now I'll just rewatch this anytime I want to pretend the boys are talking about me :)

[@kcrowther14]

😂

[@steesenshiller6470]

Imagine having the name "Steve"! I feel so loved 😂

[@sctvfan1313]

@@steesenshiller6470 lol.. love it

[@chriscollins2147]

Hey fellow Chris. I shall also use this 😂😂 gold moment! Did you also feel the relief at him not putting "topher"?

[@sctvfan1313]

@@chriscollins2147 oh yesss.. the Topher!!! We dodged a bullet :) hope you and all fellow Chris's amd all the variations have a wonderful CHRIStmas

[@henrycollins1187]

I have to say, as a Penguins fan, it is honestly quite cathartic seeing and hearing the open mouthed gasps at what's been happening this season. It defies all logic. Most of Dubas's big moves have paid off: Karlssons been great. Reilly Smiths been great. Committed to Jarry as the starter, he's the best he's been in years. Nedeljkovic as the backup has been good when needed as well. Crosby's line is utterly DOMINANT at 5on5. But the powerplay is an utter ABOMINATION. It's actually the extent that we groan when they get one because not only will they not score, there's a reasonable chance they concede one shorthanded instead. And even if they don't, it kills ALL of the momentum they gathered with their top-class 5on5 play. Receiving a powerplay is a kiss of death for this team. I have never seen anything like it.

[@people3865]

If the team was good, PP would cost points, but not the way it is. That D corps is not good defensively. Letang and Karlsson are the same player. Absolutely no point in having both. Wtf is up with Graves? I thought that was Dubas' best signing.

[@CloakingDonkey]

The PP sucks so bad because they're all quite slow. So if Karlsson slips a puck, that's usually a 1 or 2 on 0 because nobody can catch up. Also, I don't know where this is coming from but Jarry has only been good in like the last 10 ish games. He was really awful to start the season. He had 2 shutouts and .901 save% for a long time. Meaning in the non shutout games he was utterly unusable. The biggest issue, just like last year imo is the lack of synergy in the defense and the lack of depth scoring.

[@Pens724]

@@CloakingDonkey It's not just Karlsson missing pucks during the PP. How many times has Geno given it up, and barely tries to catch the guy, yet he refuses to leave the top of the umbrella. People complain about Reirden's PP, but if you have players that don't do as they are told to do, is he really to blame? Geno starts on the half wall, and every time circles out to the top and the other team jump him because he's prone to turnovers.

[@codydavidyates72]

Toronto PP was the same back in 2020

[@Burnzie79]

Remember when Perron tried to elbow Kadri after he scored a goal? Remember when Perron chased Kadri down and started cross checking him in the head and neck?

[@philtorrez4198]

Yeah Perron is a known scumbag at this point.

[@ZombiewilleatU]

Yeah this is what I was thinking as well :')I get that the 'no history' means no earlier suspensions, but the guy has had the red mist take over before so that is not unknown

[@DownsyMB]

He was like this even going way back to Edmonton. Has absolutely no self control even though he's a useful player.

[@prairiedaun]

Justice for Blake: the Wheeler/Malkin incident was Malkin got him in the head with an elbow/high hit, and they settled it later with a fight.

[@jayjayson9613]

Love what Gudbranson did. You need to answer for b.s like that and Cousins found out the hard way.

[@superrane]

And it look like Cousins said something stupid to Gudbranson when he was lied on the ice

[@yeeeyeee13]

Steve literally called Marner having -2 shots on net…. Two breakaways… zero shots 🤣

[@georgearrivals]

I miss Every Time I Die. Such an amazing band.

[@philtorrez4198]

Got to see them a couple times, great shows too.

[@georgearrivals]

@@philtorrez4198 The best!!

[@chemguy5468]

as a Newfoundlander I am not surprised by Jesse's statement

[@njdbrasil6]

It’s funny to hear Toronto fans getting there feelings hurt about the baseball team being mid sized and then they make digs at hockey teams for not filling the arena 🤣

[@CoopenhagenX]

Man you guys spelling out the Penguins issue on the PP was great. I knew the issue was on the PP but when you kept giving all the other stats it became more incredulous how much the PP is sinking the team.

[@Chimeratech8]

5:23 I swear Adam said John Divorce. Freudian slip if I've ever seen one lol.

[@Babaganoosh69]

Just a reminder on the Canucks-Avs back in the day. There was a game where Bettman was in the building for the game in between the Moore elbow on Naslund and Bertuzzi incident on Moore. That game was close and went off without much incident. The Bertuzzi-Moore catastrophe occurred in the 2nd game after the initial Moore elbow on Naslund when the Avs were blowing out the Canucks like 8-1 or something by the 3rd period. This is worth mentioning because there's this odd misunderstanding where people believe you only have to worry about the 'next game' between 2 teams where something dirty happened. I'd argue you have to watch those teams for the whole year until they cool off during the summer.

[@_gwiffin_]

everyone when gudbranson pummels cousins: lol good panthers fans when gudbranson pummels cousins: lol good

[@Nibsti]

I thought I was over Shohei but you guys got me riled up again :D amazing episode on all topics

[@MattMcNevin]

Adam, I loved the shoutout to Myles Goodwyn and April Wine! It was nice chatting about our mutual love of them at the live show in St. Catharines! 23:58

[@kyshreckengost]

🐧 thanks for the pens segment, Jesse great job

[@nikkifx]

The shock from the Crew at the penguins horrible pp at 1:27:36 is the best

[@ocorir]

The parade for the raptors was maybe 10x bigger than the one the warriors had for their 4th.

[@jobemi2422]

I think there are a few reasons Perron is likely to get a long suspension. 1) Zub had nothing to do with Larkin and was actively calling for the medical staff. 2) Perron came in with momentum and launched himself into Zub. 3) The play was whistled down, so this wasn’t during an active game situation. 4) Zub has a history of head injuries (missed time with a concussion already this year and broken jaw/another concussion last year).

[@markeljfox6708]

Still absolutely terrible hes going to miss potentially 10% of the season on a play a player wasnt even injured

[@mongooseiv8336]

And because of that, he will be fined 5k, the maximum under the CBA

[@mattl2642]

Larkin also has an injury history. So where's the Joseph suspension?

[@PapaJu1ce]

@@mattl2642The Larkin contact wasn’t intentional, replays clearly show Joseph was bumped while trying to shove him. Surprised he didn’t get a major, you’re still responsible for your stick and contact you make, but he neither intended to hit him high or injure him, unlike Perron.

[@mattl2642]

​@PapaJu1ce lol yeah man. Hands were high the whole time. But that trash can didn't mean to hit Larkin high. 😂

[@exoticsalad7016]

I’ve been waiting 😭

[@blaisehamilton2825]

Thanks for the shoutout guys!

[@jonathanstewart5269]

Just the fact that you guys talked about Pittsburg's PP guarantees they get at least 2 or 3 PP goals against the Leafs on Saturday.

[@jessedouville]

All the penguins needed was for you guys to call em out😂

[@changkahlun]

Adding onto Robertson hustling to the bench, there was a play against the Islanders where he was skating back to the Leafs end. As he went by the bench, he held his hand up to stop another player from hopping over the boards. I love his smarts and can't wait for him to break out

[@shanebrightwell1340]

Lol Marno and Tavores 😂😂

[@nolananderson4782]

8:36 You're probably thinking of the Kings game this year, Talbot had a shutout deep into the third and then Tavares scored

[@larissaborowiec7771]

For the Kane hit- it is at least a boarding and checking from behind. After reading the specific rules, there is a shoulder check yes so that initially "gets rid"" of check from behind as the guy he hit kept his body turned instead of trying to protect himself BUT kane also then makes the hit up high (checking from behind back in) AND he made the hit more dangerous/violent than it needed to be = boarding (i.e. owness was also on him there to control the hit). In a hit, the player needs to shoulder check and protect themself but the hitter also has to control the hit, keep it low, and limit the impact in a potentially dangerous sitch such as that

[@StonedSpagooter]

Being able to get Steve to write down what I want is worth every penny

[@709mash]

Talking about how expensive it is to ship to Newfoundland hurts my soul. Story of my life.

[@jonathansaraco]

This Islanders game for Tavares reminds me a lot of our game in Arizona in 21-22. Everyone made this massive deal about how it was Matthews's return home after COVID. And that game was horrible from us, the team tried to feed Auston the entire time and it did not work at all. They did eventually get him a goal, but the game ended up being an embarrassing 1-2 loss against the Coyotes when they were bad. So I'm worried we'll get a repeat of that game.

[@philtorrez4198]

I remember that game, lol. I was pretty hyped, but I’m a coyotes fan. We were awful then though, yeah. That being said, for some reason the yotes seem to have the leafs number over recent seasons regardless of how good the team is.

[@artificial_idea]

So, the Angels were actually the Los Angeles Angels originally from their founding in 1961, sharing Wrigley Field and Chavez Ravine Stadium with the Dodgers. Only upon moving to Anaheim in 1966, the name changed to the California Angels. It is BS that they switched back, though.

[@SteveK8334]

Doug Gilmour was offered a potential retirement contract with the leafs, but didn't want to retire yet, and Stavros didn't want to pay

[@ShawnBlaque]

JT is on 999 points going into the 3rd period, come on bud!!!!!

[@francb1634]

on the Perron "tax": I think a big factor is that it's after the play has been blown dead and Zub has completely dropped his guard, he's in medical emergency mode calling the staff over. To me that makes it drastically worse than a similar hit delivered during live play.

[@KS-xk2so]

The Matthews standard of 2 for a head check is during a hockey play. Perron's is blatant after whistle revenge. That bumps it to 4, add another 2 for clocking an innocent guy who was only trying to help out your teammate. 6 was correct.

[@shaynegaudreault7829]

You guys got the Maurice Richard story mixup. He was suspended for striking a linesman and that caused the riot.

[@erickrusell6157]

How has no one mentioned how Adam - of course - said John Tavares at 5:24 like a hybrid of Tavares and DIVORCE

[@mariokartmatt51]

Update: Ryan Strome gets no suspension for the knee

[@stellaroj]

You guys slowly discovering just why Pens fans are losing their minds, reacting to every unbelievable stat in real time, was honestly pretty cathartic.

[@widehalk]

5:20 John Divorce lmao

[@KayIeor]

The only reason Perron had no history is because he missed Kadri's head in the playoffs in the (I think) 22 postseason.

[@harry99638]

As someone who played with a wooden stick in college, I can say it matters for a wooden stick. Because on wood it protects the blade and does actually add a bit of grip to the foot of the stick.

[@jacoblyons79]

1:14:00 For context with Kane and Hartman, they’ve had beef for yeeeeears. Evander Kane, when he was in his final year with the Sharks, did an IG live interview with fans, and someone asked, if he could fight anybody in the league, he specifically said Ryan Hartman. I’m sure I could go out of my way to find the video source, but I’m sure there’s a Sharks fan that back up that as a fact.

[@Pens724]

So Trouba gets nothing but a penalty for hitting a guy across the head with his stick, and Perron gets 6 games for doing something that wasn't as bad as Trouba? Now that makes sense.

[@CreamyWheat]

Just so yall know, most of the season Letang has been second unit on the power play. Also Bryan Rust and Rickard Rakell are injured rn, both would normally be on PP2

[@ShawnBlaque]

On the Kyper and Bourne show Justin said something like "This is how it feels to be Winnipeg everyday" about the small market stuff. That one hurt lol damn

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

Dirty players are treated like valued clients of Player Safety. That's the issue. If you're expecting the League to protect you, you're someone with a future on the IR. Players and their teammates have been forced to take self-defence on the ice into their own hands, because of poor officiating and suspension oversight. The problem with knee on knee hits is that it's very instinctive, with the speed of the game, and you'd have to be insane to do it because the guy sticking his leg out is as much at risk as the guy hit. It either happens because someone blows by a slower player who is desperately trying to stop them or the guy being hit jumps out of the way of regular bodycheck and puts themselves into worse peril. They have to suspend players for the ones where guys are sticking their legs out, to try to get it sink into thick heads to try harder to quit doing it, but it's not like swinging a stick at someone's head which should get the book thrown at you.

[@OhHeyItsAlexx]

Bertuzzi's nickname should be Buzz. He looks like a bee out there flyin around and not f*ckin off

[@Dummunky]

You got the Canucks avalanche incident slightly wrong, there was a game after the incident which the Canucks won but Moore didn't play

[@snakeeer69]

Louisville Slugger 😂😂😂

[@709mash]

McCabe had another monster hit against the rangers. And there was a fight because of course there was, but at least the Leafs got a powerplay out of it for once.

[@philipdawson7800]

This is a couple of days after the podcast, but here are some numbers for the Penguins powerplay: PP opportunities: 74, tied for 2ndd-last in the NHL with the Islanders (fewest is also a tie, Capitals and, LOL, Leafs with 73) PP goals: 7, tied for 2nd-last in the NHL with the Blues (fewest are the Capitals with 6) PP%: 9,46%, 3rd-last in the NHL (only the Blues & Capitals are worse) Opponent PIMs per game: 6,7, fewest in the league Shorthanded goals against: 4, tied for 3rd-most (with quite a few teams, Carolina leads the league with 7) So they don't draw many penalties, they don't score on the powerplay & they give up shorthanded goals at an above-average rate. They got the full trifecta.

[@philipdawson7800]

OK, so this doesn't include the Arizona game, where they went 2/5 on the powerplay (so now they're 9 for 79 on the powerplay, they've improved to 11,39% in PP%, which should move them ahead of Chicago & Calgary, who went scoreless on their PPs yesterday). Still, oof...

[@rileymills7887]

If Johnny T gets his 2 points, can we get an ikea john Tavares LFR?

[@SRosen95]

as a wings fan, watching steve get pissed about benn hospitalizing larkin made me feel a certain way. thank you for that :)

[@Asch519]

It's more than just the fact he hurt Larkin, he hurt him so badly Larkin has had surgury & has continued having issues with his neck area ever since. If Joseph deserves a suspension for that play the other night than Benn should be outright banned from the NHL for life.

[@MySundin13]

I want to order the book..... how do I do that ?

[@chelsea3497]

Have yall noticed the difference in Matthews and Marner leadership? Noticing it a lot with goalies- mentioned on todays broadcast - and with Marner defending Sammy. Obvs still quieter leaders but people seem to shine in Matthews attention and it changes their game

[@sasusantaranta]

1:15:03 just few weeks ago Finnish woman paralyzed during game in swedish league. Was a freak accident and she hit post head first.

[@johnbuisman7464]

maybe a less established franchise getting a superstar is a good thing for that franchise? Maybe that'll bring a less established franchise into the big time? The stuff with Ohtani/Jays feels very similar to the Bedard/Hawks stuff. Can you imagine if the Jackets, Ducks, or Sharks would've gotten him? That would have been incredible for them. The Hawks have a long history--they would have been fine without Bedard. In the same vein, the Dodgers having a "storied" history, they would've been fine without Ohtani as well. That all being said, I respect Ohtani's decision. (I would not want to move away from the West Coast if I was in his shoes). He probably wants easier access to transpacific flights. Also, don't expect good writing from the NYPost

[@vurtch]

Parros in charge of player safety . The lunatics' are running the asylum

[@Ellevien]

My cast isn't complete without Adam's laugh :)

[@Blue-Science]

Where’s the weekly sharks segment?

[@travis3975]

Thoughts on Sean durzi?

[@Tyekiller115]

What incident were they referring to at 22:10

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

maybe Vancouver get second pair defenseman from St Louis for Kuzmencko?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Kuzmencko might help Seattle scoring?

[@MullyDiesel]

Instigator is essentially enforced as one guy dropping the gloves clearly first, if there’s a challenge and then a player accepts, then there’s no instigator.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Kuzmencko to Calgary for Tanev?

[@MrDevival]

Scouts were *way* higher on Nick than Jason Robertson's ceiling, ahead of Jason's 2nd season FWIW

[@frankc.357]

I was super skeptical when we drafted Bertuzzi. Obviously just nepotism. He was my favorite Red Wing every game he played and some that he didn't. Love that guy.

[@people3865]

Problem with him and the Wings was the same as here in Toronto. He takes stretches off.

[@emohawkdk2872]

I'll make shipping to Newfoundland even more crazy for you. It's cheaper for me to ship stuff from the UK/Europe to me in Newfoundland than from almost anywhere in Canada using standard parcel post, and most international mail carriers end up on Canada Post Expedited for delivery. It makes my brain hurt. Also, it used to be more expensive to fly to Toronto from St. John's than it was to fly to Florida - and you had to stop in Toronto on the way to Florida.

[@petergaudet4721]

I was glad Schiefele dropped the gloves after the hit on Connor. But the better feeling was the Jets scoring 4 straight in the 3rd to win. It couldn't be the Jets PP because it's bad.

[@Asymmetrical-Saggin]

Loves bertuzzi now but will hate him when he blows it game 7 for the loafs 😂😂.

[@rileystone3017]

tape stops your stick from vibrating when you receive a hard pass... makes it easier to give and receive a hard pass

[@CloakingDonkey]

To be fair, Carter has only been recently on the 2nd PP. He was healthy scratched a few times before the injuries hit, too. And he was otherwise filling in the 4th line until the 3rd got demolished :( They have done their best to mitigate how much of a boat anchor he is.

[@steveethier5176]

No clean hits allowed 'cause it's the Leafs'... Cmon fellas. Subban had to be mobbed by the entire Bruins roster every time he threw a clean hit for years. It's not 'about the Leafs'.

[@alexkilba1355]

Wanna talk about great hockey names... my hometown whl team has a kid in the system named Boston Buckburger

[@don178]

Time for a "Back in the day" moment. Years ago, players like star players would, at that time, have to tell the 4th liner on their own team to knock off the chicken-**** stuff. They did this because if the star player on Detroit or Winnipeg or Florida was the target of these over-the-line actions, then it's open season on the star players of Ottawa or Columbus or Anaheim. Next Det-Ott game does Ben Chiarot put Stutzle through the boards?

[@mikefingbond3888]

LETS GO!!!

[@cheonnaise]

Bertuzzi does have a very thin camo tape knob, and he also uses black Rezztek blade grip tape

[@Flameshockx]

When did boarding go from a 5 minute misconduct every time to a 2 minute minor

[@williamratel6200]

Where was all this passionate “we need to get knee on knee hits out of the game” when Aho took out Fox earlier this year? I don’t remember you guys being this vocal when that happened.

[@GhettoTownPhatBoy]

For fines, the league and the NHLPA should implement a maximum fine of 1% of a players AAV for each fine. I know the suspension are calculated similarly to this already, but the $5k max fine is WAY too soft.

[@michaelrudd1927]

I have Crosby and Rust (now hurt🤦‍♂️) their complete lack of a power play is killing my fantasy team 🤦‍♂️.

[@CP-in1oe]

This may be taboo but is there a chance that online betting is influencing the decision to suspend or not suspend. Could it explain the inexplicable ref’ing we have been seeing in the last year or so?

[@BurtTurbo]

no

[@TheBorilla92]

Kane should have been punished but if brodin looks over his shoulder sees Kane coming DON'T TURN INTO THE HIT

[@Rhysing]

Hartman went after Kane seconds after Kane injured Brodin. Kane didn't get a penalty, Hartman did, Edmonton scored the go-ahead game-winner on that PP.

[@kerrylmatthews]

Letang was put on the powerplay over a forward because they kept giving up short handed goals

[@brohndelaurier566]

Yes, Jason Robertson was Jason Robertson right away.

[@williambooth6701]

Steve, you know your compliment about the D just guaranteed multiple breakaways and an own goal tonight...😢

[@matthewsommerville8911]

There was a ton of turnover in the off-season. Players take time for chemistry to develop. That's the only reason in my opinion for the slow starts every year.

[@You-Cant-Do-That.]

If the baseball universe had to make a trade with the hockey universe, starting with Easton Stick, what name from the hockey universe would have to go the other way to the baseball universe?

[@Jay-gi6oh]

"The American media disrespects Canada" Lol lmao even How's that taste of your own medicine? Ya'll disrespect American hockey fans all the time. Especially fans/teams in non-traditional markets.

[@CdnElJefe]

I gave up 7 inches and 45 lbs in a fight when I played ACAC. Good times 😂

[@sdpn]

Lol what was the end result? -Adam

[@CdnElJefe]

@@sdpn Got my eyebrow split for 5 stitches lol But fortunately I’d been doing MMA training for two years, switched hands on him and gave him a leaky nose haha

[@Jubedy]

Hard disagree about knee on knee, they happen accidentally all the time. Watch more hockey, most aren't malicious. The ones that are though are pretty devastating, it still needs to be punished hard in cases like the Strome one here