Virtual Shifting Update for the Wahoo KICKR 6 & KICKR MOVE

[@rohanarora85]

shane, u make things quite simple to understand, thanks for putting in all the effort 👍

[@Aiden.K]

Wahoo and zwift. They really did great job. Thanks! Big improvement

[@BillyVerden]

Dang it!! I only bought the controls because DC Rainmaker said the update would be here before the controls arrived in the mail.. I've had them for a week already.. lol.. V5 Please!! Lol..

[@derekwildash2683]

No V5, I'm screwed as well.

[@lazzaboyman8003]

I've been looking forward to trying this on my Kickr Move, firmware upodated, Zwift Play controllers on charge!

[@gplama]

Let me know how you go. (Remember to put it in the 14T on the rear, or near enough, for best performance!)

[@dangerfulmind]

Need the Click to be sold seprately, hopefully soon.

[@Cycle9568]

This is what I am waiting for.

[@ryuujinusa]

Where does one buy the controller outside of the US, EU or UK?

[@bright6903]

Someone who imported it to your country? Or somewhere online new and second hand (might be more expensive with shipping costs)

[@TheMikkster]

Ya dont😂

[@KaHOPE91]

when are they shipping to Australia.... come on zwift

[@jimfaber1443]

Can you select what range of cassette that you want to use

[@pspnob]

Cries in Kickr 5! 😂

[@makeshift78]

cries in kickr 3

[@cmuralhas]

Me too

[@enteekay4087]

Cries in Kickr 4

[@_MattyG_]

Kickr 5 is about to be sold. Cmon wahoo!!!

[@patrickweir561]

4 and 5 will be updated soon 🎉

[@paulwoodward8265]

Can I use these controllers for virtual shifting with kickr 6 and Apple TV? Bearing in mind the 3 Bluetooth device limit? Using a ble hrm too.

[@gplama]

Pair everything via the Companion App and it’ll all work.

[@kovie9162]

Have they updated the Core's firmware to enable 10hz race mode? The watts on mine fluctuates wildly despite my maintaining a relatively steady power output level when using Zwift. Also, why do some of the numbers on the Zwift PC app differ from those on the companion app, like the distance? There always seems to be a 10 second or so lag on the PC app.

[@gplama]

Unlikely to see 10hz race mode on the Core. Try enable 3s power smoothing within the Zwift settings. A 10 second power lag isn’t normal.

[@kovie9162]

@@gplama Is there something about the Core that makes 10hz unlikely, or is it more to partly justify the higher prices of their higher end trainers?

[@gplama]

@@kovie9162 I don't know at a technical level. The Core is 6-7 years old..... maybe it's a tech limit. It could also be to differentiate the higher spec model Kickrs too.

[@enki42ea]

Seems like they could add a 5hz version and call it race light. Half the transmission of race mode so should be relatively easy change and easier to do if the chip set can't support the full 10hz.

[@terrieneric3599]

Hello Any news for virtual shifting on V4? Tks for your always nice vid

[@gplama]

Not yet

[@terrieneric3599]

@@gplama tks for your reply…

[@Ballantin]

I profoundly regret going for a Tacx Neo 2T u_u

[@alfonso2501]

Will they ever make one for 1st generation?

[@Roy-ud1db]

Thanks Shane

[@cnheider]

They just killed any hope for the v5 virtual shifting support?

[@thedronescene7474]

I am probably selling my Garmin Neo 2T and buying a core. This virtual shifting is way better.

[@stevenbowers822]

Looks like virtual shifting will not be coming to V5? Will virtual shifting be available on other KICKR models? We have reviewed the hardware and firmware capabilities of KICKR v5 (2020) and preceding KICKR versions. Unfortunately, these older models are unable to support the required protocols for Zwift Virtual Shifting and will not be receiving a future update for this functionality.

[@BillyVerden]

@@stevenbowers822 Yeah not good.. but what I don't understand is that I was told IndieVelo has virtual shifting no matter the trainer. How is that possible and Zwift/Wahoo can't do that as well?

[@jerseybarrier64]

Nice to see this trickle down. Really interested in that Trutrainer potential review. 😏

[@gplama]

Soon!

[@__marshie]

Wahoo needs to make their own shifter! Any after market/3rd party options, or even an app to control shifting? I can’t see Zwift ever shipping to Australia or the other countries that have been ignored. Frustrating!

[@kovie9162]

Aren't there US-based companies that you can have orders shipped to that would then forward them to you? Have you tried the UPS store or Mail Boxes, Etc.? Any branch would probably be able to do this for you, so long as it's legal and you cover the forwarding and customs fees.

[@patrickweir561]

Hi Lama I remember the watt bike having similar gears ⚙️ just going right through, people were then trying to work out chain ring and gear equivalents until wattbike changed to virtual group set choices like the kicker smart bikes , is there a table to work this out , Tks PW

[@gplama]

Ratios listed here: gplama.com/2023/10/12/zwift-hub-virtual-gears/?noamp=mobile

[@patrickweir561]

Brilliant 🤩 Cheers mate Have a great weekend 🤩

[@cmuralhas]

Hi Shane, did I miss the update for Kickr 5 having virtual shifting or does the "soon" prevision taking a long time? Do you have any fresh news about this? Thanks and keep up the excelent work :)

[@gplama]

Still no word on that release from Wahoo. It has been a while since they said it was on the way.

[@martinstewart2403]

Shane. It seems that you need Zwift play controllers and not click to control for KickR6 with virtual shifting. Just bought click and hub upgrade and swapped the freehub as per an earlier video you did. The click pairs with Zwift no problem but I don’t get any gear indication on screen. Just checked Wahoo support and it states Zwift play controllers only. Hope this will be fixed at some stage.

[@gplama]

That’s interesting. I’ve been using the MOVE with both the Play controllers and the Click without issue. Are you pairing the trainer over Bluetooth?

[@martinstewart2403]

Yes KickR trainer, HRM and now Click are all paired with Bluetooth. KickR is on latest firmware and Zwift on latest version.

[@martinstewart2403]

Hmm. Just connected to iPhone not windows pc as usual. Now on the phone virtual shifting is working. Went back to Zwift on pc and not working. So do I need to not use WiFi connect on KickR?

[@gplama]

@@martinstewart2403 I've just tested the Kickr MOVE (paired via WiFi/Direct Connect) with only the Click paired. All working as expected. Windows 11 setup.

[@martinstewart2403]

So the only difference is that I am on Windows 10. Thanks so much for taking the time to test it out. I’ll try uninstalling Zwift and reinstalling, you never know

[@philswift1180]

When riding a normal cassette what is the best gear,?? Is it Front little ring,Back 14 tooth???

[@gplama]

That’s the ballpark sweet spot.

[@cs8sz]

How do you setup the play controllers using direct connect please? Or is Bluetooth the only option?

[@gplama]

BLE is the only option for those.

[@fabianbv82]

Hi Shane! Which HR monitor do top usually use? Seems to work pretty well.

[@gplama]

Currently using a Magene H603 chest strap.

[@TroyOnTrails]

Any idea if virtual shifting will ever come to the original Kickr?

[@gplama]

V4 onwards Wahoo have indicated.

[@evanshaw17]

I have the Zwift controllers will that do virtual shifting on a tack unit

[@gplama]

Tacx? No.

[@grobbosixtyone]

How did you get your hands on the Click and Play controllers in Oz?

[@gplama]

Illegal imports. 😅

[@dalericardson3185]

So can we buy these yet or not

[@sabra31]

GP lama how do you get the average watts to appear underneath the header ?

[@gplama]

Details here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXSYg4p9p6l4ldUsi=Cu5bteCCmyhvPk9h

[@mpatjane]

@Shane Miller do you have any information or have you heard anything from Tacx regarding virtual shifting? - Thanks

[@gplama]

Nothing from them on this. I wouldn’t expect it any time soon.

[@euthiestamos9731]

Hello Shane, Thanks for the content. Have you had an opportunity to test the RockBros X7Pro? Thank You

[@gplama]

Sounds like a ThinkRider trainer? Not one I’ve had access to for a review.

[@euthiestamos9731]

@@gplama you’re correct… I think they sell it under a different brand? In the meantime, I’ve seen a couple of other videos, but for what it’s worth, I trust your judgment. 😀

[@lastpme]

I thought you needed the COG for virtual shifting?

[@gplama]

No

[@jimmyjurado5161]

Shane, I have a kick v6. just purchased the swift cog with remote. I have a road bike with Sram 11-28 Cassette and a gravel bike with Sram XPLR 10-44T. At what position do I need to leave the rear derailleur to line up properly with the zwift cog? 13? 15?

[@gplama]

You just need to shift the RD into the best position when the bike is installed.

[@jimmyjurado5161]

Thank you so much for your reply and everything you do for all us regular, wannabe cyclist@@gplama

[@Jerzj]

Should I select any particular cog on the cassette before using virtual shifting? Thanks for video 👍

[@gplama]

14. Or close to.

[@kiverrussell8369]

​​​@@gplamaI noticed Zwift seems to auto calibrate in the first few minutes of riding? This seemed to happen even when I was soft pedalling in a low gear in the pre ride menus so I actually had to use significantly lower virtual gearing or alternatively run the cassette in a bigger cog when riding proper (if that makes sense 🤔).

[@gplama]

@@kiverrussell8369 I believe the virtual gear ratios are 'calibrated' within the first few seconds of riding at 60rpm or higher. It'll assume a 14T on the rear and with the flywheel speed it'll calculate what front chainring you have and adjust the 1-24 gears based on that.

[@kovie9162]

I believe that after shifting to the small or center ring up front you then need to shift to the cog in back that gives a chainline that's most parallel to the frame, for minimal strain on the chain and drivetrain noise. Zwift then auto-calibrates virtual shifting after a few seconds of pedaling. It's supposed to work in any gear combo but this would be the quietest, most efficient and easiest on your drivetrain (you might have to trim a little bit). It doesn't have to be the 14 from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@guiperpt]

@@gplama Great to know this, it now makes sense. Definitely it didn't auto adjust depending on my real gears. I started on the small ring, but when I changed to the big ring after some minutes, I was stuck on using gear 10-11 -12 to cruise along at 250W or so in yesterday TTT. Looked quite short, but it now makes sense.

[@derx6666]

Can you disable the virtual shifting? I like my play controllers and the v6, but not sure yet if I want the virtual shifting

[@gplama]

Sure can. Within Zwift settings just switch it off and everything remains the same as before. You'll still have the option to use Race Mode over BLE if it's enabled on the trainer.

[@frival3]

Do we just buy the Zwift Cog from the Zwift store or is Wahoo going to start selling them as a separate accessory?

[@gplama]

Zwift store only for now.

[@stephenbetley9596]

Would like them to also uprate the Hz mode on the Kickr 4/5 if at all possible. Something like 4Hz would still be a semi-racemode and better that what's there atm. Does the Zwift Play connect via the Wahoo Kickr and so still use the same Bluetooth channel? Just asking for ATV users.

[@stephenbetley9596]

Sadly not going to happen for the v4/v5. Wahoo are going to have to eat some humble pie and give some incentive for v4/v5 owners to upgrade. They can start by making the current price drop on the v6 Kickr permanent.

[@jamesrobertson4407]

I have a KICKR v5, but I don't have Zwift. Can the Zwift Play and/or the Swift Click accessories enable virtual shifting during an offline workout (without running Zwift), during which the user shifts between virtual gears manually? The answer seems self-evident, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask, on the unlikely chance that it's possible.

[@gplama]

Zwift is required for this virtual shifting functionality.

[@jamesrobertson4407]

Nuts!... but thank you very much for the clarification.

[@StuartLynne]

How are gears changed using Zwift Play buttons?

[@kiverrussell8369]

It wasn't immediately obvious to me but the Plays use low profile, black buttons just outside of those used to turn/brake. I had to rewatch one of Shane's old videos where he briefly shows it.

[@marybamford782]

Hi Shane, Are the Zwift Play Controllers shipping to New Zealand?

[@gplama]

Not yet

[@marybamford782]

@@gplama thanks

[@LarsTore]

Thanks for another GREAT and informative video! I get the feeling that Garmin/TACX is falling behind on the indoor trainer market, what's your take on KICKR vs NEO in 2024?

[@gplama]

I'd love to be able to give a hands-on take to that question.... Unfortunately Garmin have indicated they no longer support what I do here on this chanel, so I can't get access to their new NEO M3. No need to read between the lines there. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@LarsTore]

Too much constructive feedback for their liking..😅 Garmin will for sure lose out on new and returning customers by not supporting what you do on this channel.

[@gplama]

@@LarsTore My door remains open to them. Ball is 100% in their court.

[@EliVak77]

When will they add this for neo?

[@gplama]

That’s a good question for Garmin/Tacx.

[@willfromfreeport]

Do you ever see power spikes from the kickr while two different apps are using it? I randomly get 2000w surges in Zwift while trainer road is controlling my kickr v6 (Zwift on dircon and TR ant+).

[@gplama]

Not something I’ve encountered

[@markl101]

Hello, need the Kickr3 an update too? Greats from Germany :) Your Channel is very good, but my english ist bad😅

[@gplama]

Unlikely to get this on the V3. See you in July for Eurobike Germany! 🇩🇪 👌🏼

[@t.t.1232]

What about wahoo kickr 4? Any news?

[@gplama]

It won’t be getting the virtual shifting update to support Zwift Protocol.

[@Bigjuergo]

when comes virtual shifting with taxc neo?

[@gplama]

That’s a good question for Garmin/Tacx.

[@kovie9162]

Another question occurred just now. After reading some Wahoo FAQs, apparently if you enable virtual shifting, once you start riding and the trainer takes a few seconds to calibrate virtual shifting based on your choice of ring and cog, if you shift to a different ring/cog combo, the trainer won't recalibrate automatically, and you have to unplug and reconnect the trainer for that to happen. If so, then what happens if for some reason you intentionally decide to physically change gears? Will the numbers be off and whichever virtual gear you're in be offset by a certain percentage based on the new gear ratio that you're using, and would this cause any other problems? I don't see why you'd want to do this unless you're not happy with some of the virtual gears and want one in-between some of them.

[@gplama]

If you change physical gears the ratios will be slightly shifted. That’s all. It’ll still work fine.

[@billcodey1430]

Llama, Which do you prefer personally for Zwift, real shifting or virtual shifting? I am pretty happy with virtual - smooth.

[@gplama]

Either. Virtual is fine as long as the controllers or click are in the right place on the bars. It makes swapping bikes a LOT easier here as I have both a 11spd QR and 12spd TA bike I use a lot for testing.

[@jasonm3699]

That's what appeals to me too. Today I have a Core and a v5 side-by-side as my wife's TCR runs 11spd Shimano and I have 12spd Sram. Getting us back onto a single trainer would be a win... but the big issue then would be "will I give up my InsideRide for her?" Maybe side-by-side isn't that bad after all. ;-)

[@mikeytheengine]

Mr Lama Sir, you are an influential person could you please make the mean men at Zwift work faster for the Kickr V5 I bought the Cog and it is sitting in the Pain Cave judging me everyday.

[@gplama]

It’s Wahoo who are working on this.

[@mikeytheengine]

ah, yes, could you give them a poke?

[@virtualZ161]

I have the Kickr 6 and never done the factory spin down. Power readings are always within 1% accuracy with my Assioma Duo’s. I updated the Kickr 6 firmware update and power accuracy was 3% off using the virtual shifting. You mentioned you did a manual calibration prior your test. Is it okay to do manual spin down on the Kicker 6? I thought is automatically calibrates when riding for a few minutes.

[@gplama]

Best work this through with Wahoo support.

[@mr.Homeras]

Hi did You contact with wahoo support about power accuracy after firmware update? I have the same problem and after using virtual shifting my power specialy in sprint is 5-7% up on wahoo then on the assioma duo power.

[@virtualZ161]

Yes I did. I sent them a 9min ERG test and said everything is normal. I’m still getting 3-4% power differences with my Assioma Duo’s. Always measured within 1% consistently before this firmware update. I also tested without virtual shifting and power accuracy is still off. Waiting from Wahoo support what to do next. In the meantime I using a Kickr Core.

[@mr.Homeras]

@@virtualZ161 thx for the info. If You have some information from wahoo support please late me know-how. Maybe the I'll do the same.

[@virtualZ161]

@@mr.HomerasWahoo support asked me to doing a factory spin which did align power accuracy. I would open a support ticket with them prior spin down.

[@MrJhockley]

It's interesting how the swift hub is 14 teeth. I find the road feel of my wahoo v4 gets better the higher the gear. less choppy for the same power and rpm.

[@gplama]

*The Cog has a 14T sprocket, yep. Flywheel speed does affect the ride feel, so some people may prefer the 13 or 12. That'll shift the virtual gear ratios a little (they're based on using a 14T on the back)

[@TheCBiker]

Will the update also be available for the kickr v5?

[@gplama]

Soon.

[@sebastienmcculloch6407]

With this update can i use the ZWIFT cog on my kickr V6 instead of my 12 speed MTB cassette ? Ive just checked online and you can only buy the Zwift cog+ Click has a bundle . So might as well install both if possible ? thanks :)

[@gplama]

Yes.

[@eabe60094]

Any idea about the Kickr v3?

[@gplama]

Wahoo have only said they'd go back as far as the V4 with this update.

[@eabe60094]

@@gplama thanks! I guess I might need to upgrade… 😖

[@Threluja]

@@gplama thanks Shane. Very annoying. v3 and core practically identical as far as I can tell so may have to buy a new core when the v3 is working well :(

[@Gledii]

lets see if Zwiift now will sell the Click withouth the cog for those using Kickr

[@terrieneric3599]

You can mount the cog on any kickr..

[@Gledii]

@@terrieneric3599 sure, but can we use the click only withouth a cog? directly with the cassete?

[@terrieneric3599]

For sure … with the right trainer…

[@Gledii]

@@terrieneric3599 kicker V6?

[@Gledii]

@@terrieneric3599 im interested in the Kickr V6. in the video Shane shows that would be possible without the Cog

[@MrJonnyb120]

Funny seeing Garmin ads on this video.

[@gplama]

So they won't support the work I do on this channel but they'll run ads via Google over my content. That's pretty shitty. More on this... Garmin are fast losing traction in the cycling industry. No longer are they the only company with a radar device. Wahoo and Hammerhead have made good progress with their bike computer offerings. The acquisition of Tacx for indoor trainers/bikes really hasn't moved the needle for them in any positive way.... and now Favero just knocked the XC200 down with the PRO MX SPD power pedal. Garmin are fast becoming a 'premium only' brand in cycling, and in a lot of cases the products don't meet 'premium' expectations.

[@rasherdk]

Would sure like race mode on my kickr bike hmm.

[@JonKull]

How about us with the KICKR v3?

[@gplama]

Unlikely

[@JonKull]

@@gplama Tears 😭

[@Wadsyrunsrides.]

Is the kickr core going to get race mode?

[@gplama]

Unlikely.

[@jorn9288]

No race mode via WLAN connection?

[@gplama]

It has Race Mode with WiFi/LAN. That's always been there with the KICKR V6 & MOVE.

[@jorn9288]

@@gplamaok thanks

[@SimoneChiaretta]

What’s holding back the v5?

[@gplama]

Not sure.

[@MorrarNL]

Just takes time to patch it in into the existing firmware. You don't want to mess that up and careful software development takes time. So they did the Core first, because Zwift. Then they moved on to their flagship model, because you don't want it trailing behind your budget model. Now they will just work their way down the older models I assume.

[@SimoneChiaretta]

Eventually they dropped the support for v5 models… disappointing

[@davidrowe8747]

Play Controllers for flat bars, please! Or Zwift Click sold by itself, without the Cog, please!

[@IanB17]

Will the v4 get race mode?

[@VitekHolubovsky]

Race Mode over BT also coming for KICKR v4 (2018)?

[@gplama]

I suspect they'll keep Race Mode with the trainers that currently support it over Direct Connect already.

[@Gavegan]

Shane, what do you think the chances of Jet Black Volt getting virtual shifting?

[@gplama]

No word from them on this.

[@sad_tuna]

Do you expect that the Kickr Core also gets the race mode?

[@gplama]

Unlikely.

[@sfoot3882]

I don’t understand why you did a power meter comparison for the virtual shifting. The virtual shifting affects the front end, the applied resistance, it doesn’t have anything to do with the power reading on the back end. Those two things are completely detached from each other.

[@gplama]

Virtual shifting means the cadence/flywheel speed are in locked ratio. Flywheel speed does impact trainer performance…. and power accuracy. So I put that to the test. It’s what I do. It’s also something nobody else has done, anywhere, with this update. I hope people appreciate that.

[@sfoot3882]

That’s fair, the fly wheel could make some funky interpolations on both ends. Thanks for the clarification. We all appreciate the full analysis you do.

[@LukasHridesbikes]

Is it possible yet to update the kickr with android?

[@gplama]

One for Wahoo support. I understand there is/was an issue with Android 13 on Samsung phones.

[@sfoot3882]

Anyone know what the gear ratios are for the virtual gears. Zwift is notoriously bad at providing or answering any questions.

[@gplama]

0.75 0.87 0.99 1.11 1.23 1.38 1.53 1.68 1.86 2.04 2.22 2.40 2.61 2.82 3.03 3.24 3.49 3.74 3.99 4.24 4.54 4.84 5.14 5.49

[@sfoot3882]

Thanks for the response. So gearing equivalent of a high of 55-11 (slightly better) and a mountain bike low gear, almost a 34-50

[@Bazza1968]

I like the simplicity of this- I could "save" the drivetrain on my dedicated bike- Sensah Team Pro shifters, Tiagra cranks, 105 rear mech etc by buying a DMR single speed kit and tensioner, plus the 14T cog (kit comes with 16T, would it matter if I used that?) that's £30...I have an old set of 165mm square taper cranks from a MTB and a new 36T 104BCD chainring I could put on with whatever 68mm BB I have- chain line won't matter too much at the front but try and get close to the q factor of the existing bike setup- I can adjust the rear to match for smooth running...put on some old 7 speed Tourney brifters to attach the play controllers to and £130 all in, job done, super quiet and smooth.... The BIG question I need to ask myself is, do I want to be tethered to Zwift and Zwift alone? What about a Half Monty test on SYSTM? I occasionally use IndieVelo to give myself a reality check from the very "flattering" Zwift, and I haven't used MyWhoosh despite my PC having the hardware to run it.... It feels a bit like they are ensnaring you with this lol

[@kovie9162]

I just ordered the Play controllers to allow me to use virtual shifting but I also want the option to be able to use other platforms, so I'll probably use my existing drivetrain components instead of swapping out for trainer-specific rings and cogs. It'll wear them down faster but that's going to happen on any platform and on outdoor rides, and with a straight driveline it'll probably decrease wear on the front ring and chain and only wear out one cog that's replaceable. In fact I might replace that cog with one from an old cassette that still has some good cogs, for indoor rides.

[@liam_c27]

Will my Kickr Bike ever get race mode?

[@gplama]

V2 possibly.

[@Bazza1968]

They should have configured it to run on the 11T cog.... never use the damn thing IRL unless I put the 30/46 chainset on lol.... that way you could run your own cassette without destroying one gear you need outside

[@robertaston1155]

Do you expect the update for the wahoo kickr 5 anytime soon?

[@gplama]

Yes.. but I have no indication on how soon that will be.

[@robertaston1155]

Thanks Shane 👍

[@Doktor_Al]

Found an issue (maybe?): paired all sensors, did a test ride on volcano circuit warming up for a Zwift games race. Finished the warm up, saved the ride and then Zwift kicks you out to the Welcome screen (where your name is), then you go to the pairing screen. All seemed good at this point. However, when I went into the race got a message that braking was disabled for the race (makes sense), the directional pads were working, the buttons were working BUT NOT the virtual shifting. Anyone else had this issue? it is very similar to what happens with the apple watch. If you do an activity but then go back to the welcome screen it stops working. Thanks in advance!

[@fw_uke_ha]

No Kickr Bike or Kickr Bike Shift? 🥺

[@gplama]

For Race Mode over BLE?

[@fw_uke_ha]

@@gplama For showing gears from Trainer in Zwift.

[@gplama]

@@fw_uke_ha Ahh..... no word on that.

[@JSffs44]

What’s the point when you can’t get the controllers in AU.

[@gplama]

We're a very small part of the world. You'll also get Race Mode over BLE with this without the controllers.

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

Paid £480 for my kicker 5 new. I don't mind waiting

[@ReyCervantesII]

Hi Shane, is there a possibility thats may also be available later for elite trainers like suito?

[@gplama]

One for Elite Support. I’ve had no indication they’ll be supporting this any time soon.

[@ReyCervantesII]

@@gplama Thanks Shane.

[@ByteMe2]

Do you expect virtual shifting to also become available for other brands, specifically thinkrider?

[@gplama]

I wouldn't expect to see it on the ThinkRider trainer any time soon.

[@KennyLeduc]

Where can you find a 14T cog made for 11-12 speed? And is that one of the options that you mentioned would make the unit quieter and smoother? If not, then how?

[@nick_velokicks]

Love the thinking "lets roll out virtual shifting for all before we address everyone having access for the equipment for it". Genius.

[@nielsvanderaa4740]

😭 kickr v5 😢

[@jackvssharks]

Test feb 23? Ummm it’s 2024 Shane x

[@gplama]

Feb 23rd. I don’t put the year in my file names. 👌🏼

[@phil_d]

Let's hope they offer Virtual Shifting for the Snap. Although it's Wahoo's budget trainer, when I bought it the price wasn't that much different to what you can now pick up a Core for.... 😭

[@funk44]

I dunno Shane. I've seen you nitpick less deviation in power numbers

[@gplama]

Which specific part? I've been desensitized lately with some really shitty meters. These are pretty close considering.

[@michwoz]

Quite disappointed this is not universally available for all trainers. Let's not pretend it couldn't be done software (Zwfit) side using existing protocols, without any new trainer firmware required ;)

[@gplama]

The upside is that today it is available for more trainers than it was yesterday. 🤷🏻‍♂️😉

[@michwoz]

@@gplama Yes. That's surely a good thing :)

[@lellotrello2338]

I agree, it would be the trainer manufacturers job to come up with a standard. Instead, wahoo now prefers building a closed platform with Zwift 😕

[@michwoz]

@rello2338 I mean from technical standpoint Virtual Gering could be done by adjusting gradient accordingly etc. Without need for any new standard.

[@lellotrello2338]

​@@michwozcan it be done completely in Software? i think zwifts Implementation reads the flywheel speed and cadence during the first few seconds of the ride to calculate the current gearing. flywheel Speed is not exposed to the Software. If "accurate Resistance" doesnt matter or the user manually enters it i dont see an issue

[@terrieneric3599]

So annoying for V4 owners 🫣