2018 Vital MX 450 Shootout

[@mxgoon43]

10% Bike 90% Rider Its up to your mentality. Have the right attitude and work hard.

[@keo9365]

MX Goon but obviously if a club rider has racing experience and a really fast bike, he'll win against a pro rider with a slow bike

[@cambo6911]

The better rider you are the more technological advancements matter. This is not the 70s bro....

[@cambo6911]

FURY64 LMFAO yeah ok 👌

[@catalyst7809]

MX Goon 20% bike 80% rider.*

[@jacksonfoster6313]

The bike has always been a compliment to the rider, of course if you’re fast you’re gonna be fast but having a bike that does everything you want it to is important

[@samredman401]

Guys it really doesn't matter what order they are in. They are all amazing and it's all mentally your preferred feeling on a bike that matters. Just ride with what your comfortable on, and enjoy yourself. This test doesn't affect you in anyway, they are just stating other rider's opinions to get the results. It's an experiment. Take 7 completely different other riders and you'll get different results every time. It's basic statistics.

[@jakecady47]

Sam Redman spot on!

[@TeKaMOTO]

Props to you guys for knowing how to make a proper shootout video!

[@AlapahaBulldogs]

I watched 3 different shootouts on the 2018 450 and each shootout ranked them differently.

[@marcgraham6438]

Seeing a Suzuki 450 at the track is as rare as a Bigfoot sighting.

[@Davido50]

Nah still a great bike for 90% ppl.

[@cityofplant]

I'm a KTM guy. Seeing other brands other than KTM and Husky on top every year really gives me hope that other brands still have a chance to bring in something new to the table. Now all Honda, kawi and suzuki has to do is to make a 2 stroke version. That's where I'll be puting my money on.

[@sciewter]

As much as I love 2T their days are numbered. EFI and all the R&D it will take to make them emissions compliant will kill them or make them more complex and expensive like the 4T.

[@DanielSanchez-br7hp]

Honda making a 2 stroke is a huge stretch of the imagination IMO

[@playstationfreak1111]

Honda 2 strokes.. yeaah forget it they are never going back to the good ol days..

[@dblock8332]

Jimbo be careful ktm fans. Just witnessed a 2018 ktm stap both foot pegs off and made the rider crash after over jumping. The frames and body of ktm are getting weaker due to weight loss

[@Davido50]

KTM is awesome 👌

[@idk683]

I can not wait for the 18 250f shootout!! Thanks Vital MX for these awesome vids you all create

[@KyleSchwanz]

Awesome video!! Results sounds dead on as well!!!

[@bikernu]

Finally Honda is back up on top! YAY!!!

[@durries4dayz381]

i a man that bleeds red not orange

[@bikernu]

And your dumb. Honda wins!! YAY!!

[@skooter_dude7794]

HeresMyLife last time I checked Yamaha finished pretty close to last bc the only good thing about it is the suspension the rest of the bike sucks

[@catalyst7809]

HeresMyLife well 7 fast riders thought it was the best. you're just hating.

[@jamesmccauley348]

in no 450 shootout . 2018 250 Honda. got podium in gp France yesterday looks awesome bike

[@CaptainKarma8]

Vital keep it up!!

[@CaptainKarma8]

Rode the 2018 Yamaha recently and it definitely has a couch feel, felt odd as my own bike is an 01 KX250.

[@MOTO809]

Been on Honda most of my life and it is fun to see them on top, but my newest Honda is an 03 450, and my other is an 88 250. I’m sure any of these 6 bikes would be amazing compared to mine. But let’s all sit here and tell each other how stupid we all are for liking different brands.

[@pinnedproductions3209]

Yes finally hondas back can't wait for the 250

[@matwest711]

The shots of the bikes lined up remind me of the power rangers

[@crispincurtis8001]

Mat West / no Doubt lolol

[@startmeup4622]

Lol

[@kgmMachineworks]

I would still get the Yamaha!

[@crispincurtis8001]

Yah Tuning Forks Rock!!!!!!!!!!

[@crispincurtis8001]

I wonder why none of the other bike companies didn't have the 1st. 4 stroke MX'er out be4 Yamaha did?; ) lol

[@dirtbikeevent7162]

CCM had 4-strokes back in the 60' and 70's. My first bike was a Honda Motosport 90cc - it was blue.

[@stevewilliams1797]

You guys do the best shootouts, let's hope the 250 lives up to the hype.

[@CarsnStuff]

Im wondering what map setting they used on the crf. The thing about in the previous years with reviews on the crf they used the standard setting which i feel is an unfair start. i've personally felt the difference on the crf450 with standard vs aggressive and its noticeable. Even with the 15/16's i noticed most of the shootouts they used standard setting which is like the tamed down version of what the crf is actually capable of. I bet the 18's though are gnarly in the aggressive setting.

[@svvitchio]

I scrolled through the comments expecting to see salty KTM fanboys. Not disappointed. XD

[@christophervillarreal8565]

Best comment LMAO

[@tubeyou123863]

makes a change, its usually Honda riders making gay comments on what everyone else rides

[@tayloranderson1372]

svvitchio Ktm’s are piles of shit😂

[@charlesdarwin5272]

For real

[@wood3669]

@@tayloranderson1372 that’s why it’s in 2nd place

[@davestinson5691]

I wish honda or Suzuki still made 2 smokes. I'd love to have a cr or rm 250

[@jamesrobert7155]

I still ride an RM250. Screams!

[@jamesrobert7155]

'05

[@IvanChavez-cd7et]

I bought a ktm and after tuning suspenssion it rides pretty amazing! on that note my friend bought a honda and it was a really good as well i totally agree with this shootout

[@Calikid42O]

I love my 2017 crf450r did my suspension and she rides like a dream now

[@tywilliamson2472]

I want one, theres one that they demoed for half price near me, 6k instead of 10k when new

[@claytonlafave4111]

Hell yea honda is the best runs forever I've rode them all my life and will continue too

[@mileaux]

Clayton Lafave I've ridden Honda since I was 6, just recently made the switch to a Yz. I miss my Cr :/

[@TheNickademas1]

false.....Yamaha last longer

[@will3362]

TheNickademas1 nooooo 😂

[@bryanwelch6209]

TheNickademas1 Honda is the best engine manufacturing company in the world. Hands down.

[@dakotaswanson5488]

Bryan Welch I don't know my Suzuki DR650 has 36,900 miles and never has had a rebuild

[@kendavis3789]

Yamaha for life!!!!! Best always in my book!

[@jsk8drummer]

Really expected better results for the all new Yamaha especially considering its past success in the shoot outs and all the great changes they made to the new bike... Thats a shame. Honda and KTM/Husky hasn't had any drastic change from 2017 so I dont understand how the Honda won this year but not last year.

[@thareal1318]

Wow Honda actually beats ktm and huske

[@thareal1318]

Dark Coven because it's been so long

[@Stoshy266]

Idk how I feel about yamaha being in 4th with wifi tuning🤔 I dont like the results but I respect it

[@Wide000]

A cool feature is not the whole picture I guess.

[@Stoshy266]

Wide000 that's pretty obvious

[@austinbaylor2613]

Does anyone else think that if Kawi went back to the same steel chassis they had back in 04-05 with some adjustments they would not only lose a lot of weight but get more feel? I currently ride a 04 kx250f it's dry weight is 204, the new KTM 250fs only weigh 218

[@maverick2242]

So basically! Honda Action is back in business!😝

[@maverick2242]

Michael Lindsay I was just pulling a tease, from back in the day, its good to see some changes, I did give the vid a thumbs up, just watched the behind the scenes shootout, good stuff. Those 450/ are not forgiving, I have had chiropractic work performed on me and while I have never been hurt by one putting stuff back in place back crack etc, dam that made me cringe. Look forward to the 250 results! End of the day rider styles personal likes, sounds all pretty close, 1 point, 👍

[@Tide12NC]

Find away to drop one of the two exhaust pipes on the Honda and it'll lighten the bike a bit more. Still not a fan of the dual exhaust look.

[@gabrielflores-nm6dl]

i think it looks sick as fuck but i love dual exhaust on any bikes

[@ange1229]

Tide16nc dual exhaust are for street bikes only

[@catchmeifyoucan_1611]

Yamaha should win on the power tuner alone!!

[@jeddriach3786]

Love dat Yamaha OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGG🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[@channel1_channel]

Ya...Suzuki still carried the weight with no electric start. Kawi and Suzuki have been lagging off the showroom floor.

[@cityofplant]

Finally! TY! But be careful, suzuki and kawi guys will come and throw rocks at you

[@channel1_channel]

I raced RMs in the early 1990s. Back then Suzuki was much more on the ball. It seems clear that KTM (Husky) are leading the way now. None of the Japanese 4 are convincing at the moment (dirt bikes ). I am not speaking for what factory teams can do with the bikes though. Clearly, a rider like Roczen can kick butt on a Vesper.

[@samredman401]

Kawi is actually the third lightest bike so I'm not sure if your comment about them being the heaviest is accurate. Now suzuki is definitely the heaviest like you said

[@codyestes432]

halfasheep yeah but the kickstart kind of tells if they can actually ride the bike. Parents will tell their children if you can start you can ride and it showed if they could or not. Also gotta work out that leg muscle lol

[@bricey9443]

Rm are the best bikes I've owned a few of them and they are the most reliable bikes I've owned. My first rm was a 85 and I put 250 hours on one piston and went like the clackers you will not buy a better bike then the rm

[@fabriziomarabini2775]

Sieto troppo bravi e bene organizzati. Complimenti

[@Matt-ix6ne]

Great video!

[@nickycurfs5617]

The honda cable clutch on my 17' model feels lighter than some off the hydraulic... nice test didnt expect honda on top

[@brentoregan6090]

Nicky Curfs how's that clutch now ? 😂 it was even better with a diffrent lever ratio shame inside parts were shit, good bike thou till it broke 😂

[@iceman22k]

Why is the Suzuki slam segment back dropped by videos of the bike ripping and whipping? It doesnt make sense to talk so badly about the fork when Im seeing it in beautifully slow 240fps.

[@dirtbikeevent7162]

They were fighting over which KTM would win, the white one or the orange one, so they picked Honda.......

[@catalyst7809]

the honda won by points not by choice.

[@eslerheyd6383]

haha they even said that the guys choosing between the ktm and husky held the ktm back from being on top this year...

[@KingBandz]

James Edward Sad thing is your not even coherent of what your saying.. but hey anything just to state your bias opinion, I mourn for you my friend hahaha

[@rcmen2637]

James Edward honda is finally deciding to kick some cheap Austrian ass. I love my honda it's simple, durable, and rock solid reliable which is where husqavarna, ktm, yamaha, and suzuki are lacking. Reliability is more important than power because power is useless if your bike doesent work.

[@sierradulong8911]

Well considering that the with one is a husqvarna not a ktm

[@tonyhouston3049]

All good bikes but I will say everyone I have met with a 17 Honda absolutely loves them. KTMs are great light bikes but they do require more maintenance and the parts are expensive especially in the engine department. All that weight savings comes at a cost. In the end its whatever your comfortable on and makes you happy.

[@tubeyou123863]

no they don't

[@tonyhouston3049]

KTM 450SXF parts costs piston kit $414.99 Crank complete $930.39 Connecting Rod repair kit $867.99 This requires more labor Cylinder/Piston kit $575.47 Compare these to any Japanese brand.

[@ballsaregold8778]

Really this all comes down to your riding style.

[@jerronwd8922]

Rm and KX should be on top no one needs electric start

[@dariusbekker2602]

Jerronridesbikes agree bro... something about your comment makes me think you prefer 2stroke

[@richardfearing4751]

Jerronridesbikes I agree cuz some times you need to do some work out

[@kirbykirschbaum8412]

Will the aluminium framed bikes ever be able loose the weight or will they always be 10 to 20 pounds heavier than the Austrian bikes?

[@cliffordjohnquina138]

What' the diffirence of honda crf450 and honda gieco

[@coreytrevorsmokesletsgo8437]

Honda back on top where it belongs

[@mikefrench316]

Kawasaki life 🤘

[@christophervillarreal8565]

When is the 250f shootout coming? I gotta make choices on which honda Im buying 450 or a 250 and with the quality of testers and detailed explanation you guys put out I'd like the scoop on the new 250f thing looks so sick!

[@vitalmx]

Christopher Villarreal we've answered that a few times in this comment section. The new CRF250R doesn't land stateside until the last week of October and becomes available to us for testing the first week of November...so we should start that week. We'd probably have the Shootout done and published about the earlier third week of November.

[@christophervillarreal8565]

Thanks you guys are awesome appreciate the reply!

[@ozzie6540]

Hey man how tall are you and are you an experienced rider?

[@acrane2]

I wish Honda brought back the TRX450r with as many innovative and new upgrades as the bikes. Sucks that they just don't sell - there are 3 brand new 2014 models at my local Honda dealer still in crates in the storage room... sad...

[@owkayclothingofficial]

Very in detail review. Great job 👌🏻

[@emmettstark9331]

What type of camera did you use to get all this footage and/slow mo shots?

[@shawndoucette9797]

When are we getting the 250 shootout?

[@LoCk3H]

So honda change the suspension slightly and engine mounts and it wins the shootout.. yeah right..

[@catalyst7809]

LoCk3H honda lost by 3 points last year and won by 1 point this year. A little goes a long way.

[@JkeeneMX607]

these shootouts are nothing but a group of peoples opinions... it doesnt mean you have to agree.

[@LoCk3H]

I do agree with them that the RMZ is shite :D

[@durries4dayz381]

they should also add price cause it easy to say husky and ktm are light quick and nimble but a prices should be compared to see you getting the best bike for your money value wise cause if a ktm is 5000 more than a suzuki you could mod the suzuki and it would smoke the ktm ........ little rant at the end of the day they should have the prices of every bike

[@durries4dayz381]

ok thanks ill have a look at the atrical

[@tonithompson9086]

I'm professional practicer and my home track is VERY tight and twisty. The Suzuki would be my pick after I get the suspension sent off $$ and set up really nice.

[@jsk8drummer]

5000 more than a suzuki? More like 2000 lol

[@durries4dayz381]

not is australia

[@devodar2579]

+jsk8drummer $4,000 in US ( KTM more than Suzuki )

[@karlmann4777]

hey guys, whichever bike is the fastest is the best choice -vital mx 2017

[@Wide000]

?

[@neymarnike4494]

Honestly unless if your like insanely good it doesn't really matter what bike u get but some just prefer a certain brand

[@ironbarkmachineryandhire1861]

Wow, rough but awesome track....

[@tgmotz]

Was there a BETA that could have been included?

[@vitalmx]

BETA doesn't make a motocross model, so no.

[@leonidassabr9197]

This is america so no.

[@devodar2579]

I have to admit Baggett was an okay rider on a 450 until he went to KTM satellite and then he was a premier rider, hate to say it but that speaks volumes

[@WilliamStewart1]

In my opinion, people are getting afraid of ranking the KTM's and Huskys number 1 now because so many people cry about it. Not knocking Honda, I know they make good reliable bikes, but they aren't the best in any category. They're the best bikes for casual riders in my opinion, they're easy to ride, easy powerbands, and usually fairly reliable. The KTM's are the hardcore bike designed to be all out the fastest but require the most skill to ride and usually compromise in reliabilty. If you're a pro rider you're going to want a KTM, if you're a regular joe you're going to prefer the more laid back CRF.

[@brodypowell4776]

I just bought a 08 Honda 450 a couple months ago, it was talked about being one of the better bikes for Honda, can I get an opinion?

[@brodypowell4776]

scaredyet maybe an intelligent opinion would be more convenient

[@nathanielarnold3294]

I don't get why people are mad because bikes do not have electric start standard well they are race bikes they are meant to be light and with electric start you have to have more wiring, a starter, and a battery

[@maverick2242]

Machine Life your argument would make sense, if the lightest bikes didn't have electric start, but two of the seven which are the heaviest don't have electric start, if you have tried it, you really don't know what you are missing! Same with Hydraulic clutch's I could never buy a new bike again without either!

[@garrett3234]

MaverickDH my 2 stroke never had electric start. You just got to be a man and kick it. No batteries to worry about. Im a huge Honda fan and love them but no kickstart option is horrible imo

[@maverick2242]

Garrett Gustafson well I'm guessing you never have had e start, I been kick starting dirtbikes mostly 2strokes for years, its not about htfu! It's beneficial once you have had it, plus esp when the competition has a tech advantage over you,I still prefer having both options which my bike does, has Kick and E start, I have never had an issue with my battery, but then I look after my gear! The negative for me if I was on a Honda is they dropped the kick start and still gained weight! Btw my bike is a 250cc 2stroke.

[@garrett3234]

MaverickDH you dont just roll down the hill and bump start it. I ride desert a lot so for me i dont feel i need it just more bullshit to add on the price. There was a time when bikes didnt have that shit. 99 percent of 2 strokes what i kost ride dont and my 05 450. It should be an option not a must

[@robertwilkes1875]

In a race if you stall or tip over the electric start is a huge advantage. Also as an older rider I can tell you it keeps me riding longer. Less fatigue and easy on the knees. Also KTM has the lightest bike and it has e Start. Bottom line electric start is a great advantage. If your paying 10k for a new bike you want all the advantages you can get.

[@ange1229]

im looking forward to getting a 2018 or 2019 bike. amongst the 6 manufacturers, which one is the most fun/loose/difficult to ride and has durability over speed.?

[@Davido50]

KTM is most durable always. All are fun & well designed. Learn proper maintenance practices!

[@chrisvise9374]

I'm a honda guy but Damn that ktm looks fun

[@CrackerrJack]

All these $10,000 bikes, ain't nobody buying these bikes. Sport needs something more than Ronnie Mac to make a comeback

[@tonykartracer8032]

Woo-hoo...... Honda #1. Yeah!

[@andrewford80]

I'd gladly take any single one of those bikes.

[@Alex-ms5jx]

just a quick one can I work for you like please🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Stoshy266]

Since KTMs font go on sale in my area are they really worth the extra 2 grand? Im purchasing a 450 soon plz help

[@123bbm]

How are they 2k more? At MSRP they are 1k more and ready to race, no extra money needed to race. The CRF is really good, but it's 25 pounds heavier, no hydraulic clutch and no chrome moly frame to absorb the sharp hits and not as good power, then there's the serviceability, especially the KTM air cleaner! And as for reliability? KTMs are as good as anything, if not better. Some of these test riders look like they spend too much time on a couch eating chips, pizza and beer.

[@zshredclh10]

A lot of salty people in these comments complaining that a bike with so many revisions didn't win or that their favorite bike didn't win. Look, unless you ride all of these bikes in a row, you have no room to talk. Also, keep in mind that these scores are an overall average of the scores from the riders. The Honda was not a favorite from every rider, some of the riders might have liked the KTM or Yamaha more, but again, these scores are an overall average.

[@aldenchambers9386]

Sorry but if your shootout is out already it's not reliable. U gotta check out a shootout like motocross action that actually puts in the time

[@charlesdarwin5272]

Hell yeah

[@glogang6702]

now do the 2018 250 shootout

[@vitalmx]

The 2018 Honda CRF250R won't be stateside until the first week of November. Then we'll get started.

[@travis9217]

Do a 125cc shootout

[@randyvan35]

Are the blue rims stock on the Yammy ??? So sexxy!

[@tristanlakey6127]

No E bike in the test?

[@vitalmx]

There's no "E-Bike" designed to compete in the 450 class.

[@bryanc447]

Lets be real when you go to the desert or the track there are more hondas than any other bike

[@rasmusvanheerden3563]

Honda, no wings no fly!

[@sharpnel187]

Vital mx why are you promoting electric start

[@tristansneath2107]

Honda really needs to get rid of those silver rims. All the other brands have got black, except for the Yamaha with its blue rims.

[@sciewter]

Sooo how many "you couldn't ride half as good as whoever" or you will never push any of these bikes to their potential comments are going to be on here defending someones favorite color of bike??

[@MR-04]

Yamaha all the way !!!

[@anthonygrasso117]

Anyone know when the 250 shootout is ?

[@vitalmx]

Starts in two weeks! The 2018 Honda CRF250R is on a late release this year, so we've been waiting.

[@melanieascoli8475]

Were is the TM??!?

[@vitalmx]

Melanie Ascoli 2018 TM 450 wasn't available at the time of this test....

[@crispincurtis8001]

Melanie Ascoli / word or Aprilia for that matter;)

[@jakeallen4860]

I dont like the 2 pc seat on the yammaha and they will say whats good and not as long as say ktm pays them to say good stuff

[@vitalmx]

Jake Allen considering Suzuki was our largest OEM advertiser...your logic is quite faulty.

[@spicerja357]

Honda is back and ready to run

[@natemiller448]

Its SHOOTOUT SEASON! We all comsume every one of these tests, and with all the bikes being sooooo good; for the last 10 years the winner stays the same..... -The rider. The loser stays the same as well: -The rider's checkbook, and the sport as a whole. $9k dirt bikes will continue to shrink the involvement....i say that as a guy with two $9k bikes in the garage. But I'm 34, and can do that. My love for this sport began in the days of $4k 125's. We've forgotten how 'We all got here'...and prices the next generation out of the (manageable) cost of entry. This sport will be lost, and it is by our own doing. That is a shame.

[@everydaywelitxxjmodsjxx1803]

I want the blue 45

[@novarora6035]

Okay okay everyone lets not fight we're all in this together in this amazing sport it shouldn't matter what we ride we are brother and sisters when we ride our bikes it doesn't matter about brand ride what you like!

[@corner_films7035]

A bike with the frame of a Suzuki motor of a KTM and suspension of a Yamaha would be cool

[@BagpipekilR]

Now honda just needs to bring back the CRF450X in supermoto trim... 😍

[@dirtbikelove4188]

I like bikes

[@MBF120]

Do the 250s

[@catalyst7809]

ChrisTheBeast not all 250s are out yet.

[@killaabeas]

"Ride red get head"- Ronnie Mac

[@AlapahaBulldogs]

I don't like the electric start. It takes all the toughness out of it. Keep the kick-start Kawasaki and stay durable with low maintenance. Just tighten bolts, change air filter and oil after each ride and it'll last. The Honda has cheap parts and has maintenance issues.

[@509fmx9]

That's bs.the order should be ktm, husky,yamaha,honda,Kawasaki, suzuki.

[@catalyst7809]

509 fmx to you maybe. not bs to 7 fast riders that rode every bike and are not biased like you.

[@glensanders7463]

Too me, the riders look more comfortabele on the Ktm and Husky than the Honda.

[@catalyst7809]

Glen Sanders well apparently not

[@GiuseppeSimonetti]

I prefer Kickstart over electric by far, so much that the only reason I was about to buy a Beta dual sport is for that reason but they took them off so if I'm not getting kickstart anyways standard/stock then I'm just gonna buy a DRz400 for half the price cuz the drz you can buy a kickstart kit. Next thing you know bikes are gonna be electric and automatic transmission. Lol

[@awesomehonda7384]

Honda ftw!!

[@mikepevine3389]

Yesses honda ❤

[@ChiTuSai]

0:32 spot the crash

[@bryanc447]

U guys saw joey mac at 4:34

[@Luly894]

👍