Vocal Coach ANALYZES Nightwish! (Floor Jansen)

[@ZachAnsley]

EDIT: A couple of necessary caveats to this video: 1) She is Dutch, and not from a Scandinavian country like I thought! My apologies. The accent ideas are still relevant, but I got my countries mixed up. I thought she was from Finland! 2) I am not a Nightwish fan in any form. I had never heard Tarja or Floor before I made these videos. I did not know that Sleeping Sun was written for Tarja. There was no bias or skew of my ideas when I made either video. These are not things that a non-fan of the band should be expected to know.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

That said Finnish people are'nt Scandinavian either. They have a common language with Hungarians, Edit that last part should have been they migrated from a commen place in Eurasia, I got my Turkish peolple mixed up with my Finn-Ugric people, my apologies, But anyway they live in Scandinavia now but non of the other Scandinavians can understand a thing they are saying.

[@jackskellington9570]

@@corneliusantonius3108 see look at that. We showed you something and you showed us something. Awesome how that works 😊.

[@jackskellington9570]

Floor did do nicely with Puccini. Aside from some good classical work like Dreamflight that I mentioned from her original band After Forever. As well as in her second band Revamp. Which is where she started doing mixed vocals and focusing less on classical vocals. She performed Puccini twice. Both O mio. First time was slightly more belty which I really liked. And then a more refined one. She does very well. Maybe a little nervous as standalone classical and opera performances are not her usual environment. Then sometimes with her band Revamp she would perform it during metal shows. Which she also seemed a little more comfortable in. In nightwish you can see Tarja is more technical. Especially at this point in time. However Floors past training and performances show she is more capable then being laid out. I think some of it is just from venturing away from that styling. And then as well combined with that just confidence and approach I believe. I think she can still do better than she thinks she can sometimes. If that makes sense. Also just the fact that she's much more physically active in stage and does more mixed vocals. So anyone would have a harder time using a controlled and beautiful classical tone with effortless transitions at that point. However end result is end result regardless of the reasoning.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

@@jackskellington9570 Learning is fun

[@jackskellington9570]

@@corneliusantonius3108 Definitely \m/¬

[@Katirin89]

I don't really understand the debate in Nightwish fandom even though I've been a fan since I first heard them around 2003. I don't understand why the fans demand to pick a favorite between Tarja and Floor - I like them both. They both have different styles and they both fit to Nightwish music. The end. I have seen them both singing live with Nightwish and they're amazing singers as well as performers. Why can't we just enjoy the music and leave it at that.

[@jarodvermilyea3690]

The point of this video was to analyze singing technique. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with this comment but this video isn't meant to bash. He's a trained voice teacher.

[@Katirin89]

@@jarodvermilyea3690 I meant to comment when he said that he's doing this on professional level and not comparing or taking any part of the argument going on with Nightwish fans. I don't understand the agrument going on and I don''t want to take part on it either. I'm just a simple fan.

[@jarodvermilyea3690]

@@Katirin89 gotcha. I thought so.

[@leonelvargas6001]

For the record, Tarja and Floor are friends and have shown respect towards Anette, they don't care about their fans crying over which ones they think sings better.

[@chardonnay5767]

Well, to put it bluntly... The rough division seems to go along the line of when did one start listening to Nightwish. Those that have listened to their performances with the earlier lead vocalists still as members tend to be OK with everyone they've heard, and also have fond memories and emotional connections to old performances. Those who have mainly heard the later lead vocalists perform can feel like those are the only "normal" versions that exist now. Also with Tarja in particular there was a very strong connection that just doesn't go away even after all these years. It's possible that some of the ever continuing debate is fueled by a sort of knee-jerk reaction to why some part of the fandom thinks like this and some other part doesn't.

[@johnbeckman492]

Thank you for true analysis, not a "ra-ra" segment as clickbait for fans to feel validated by a coach's awe and enthusiasm for their hero.

[@Aurinkohirvi]

So, who are thumbing down? People who hate he says Floor is better for Nightwish? (Tarja fans) Or people who hate he gives criticism to Floor, and says Tarja is more technical classic singer (Floor fans). Or both? Because he gives much praise to both vocalists. I'm confused. His video about Tarja had only very, very few downthumbs. And he did criticize Tarja too.

[@PatrickVanDijk_NL]

Both, and by fans of Disturbed as well I guess. At least he got my upvote for having to bear all the backlash in these comments.

[@ladythalia227]

The "last" pronunciation Floor used is exactly how it is supposed to sound in British English. Not everyone sings in American English 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ingridflanagan8590]

Somehow Americans think that the way they pronounce words is correct 🤷‍♀️

[@linkinaball]

People who criticize him for criticising Floor. Watch the whole video. He actually really likes her singing. But he just point out what he thinks could be improved upon. But he is never negative about her.

[@NatalijaJ]

How can he talk about her singing in first 6.5 minutes of the song while he heard her sing like for 10 seconds 🤷‍♀️ He constantly talks and he didn't hear a minute of the song!?!

[@NatalijaJ]

Now I looked and it's on 10 min of the video, he constantly talks, while he listened 3 times for 5 seconds of her singing.

[@MikkoPakkanen]

@@NatalijaJ if you would be listenint to that properly since the beginning and paying attention to the word analysis then you would understand that he was listening it carefully even before making the video to make the points of the speech ... I understand that you wanted reaction but this is analysis and if you analyse something you need to prepare for that ... this doesn't come out of the blue like any kind of reaction does :-)

[@transitambulance]

no, i think you got that wrong. he is listening to the whole song, but he just shows the parts he wants to talk about. and cut out the rest

[@LuciFer---666]

Ok. I know that this wasn't reaction just more like analyzes her voice. But .. first things first - that was live performance and somebody can show me one singer who can delivered 100% clear notes live after 1,5h hard work on the stage. I don't know nobody who can do that. Also Floor on the stage have f...n gym/cardio/abs training. If somebody wanna a be a expert suppose to try make the same things under the same pressure and with the same conditions. Zach, I'm full respect for your opinion, I see that you know what you talking about but in my opinion you suppose to take another example something like studio version or opera small audience (at YT you can find a few samples with Floor). I wanna just say that you cannot analyze notes one by one and each breath from live concerts when every member of the bands, specially metal/rock bands, doing SHOW, show like making sound, vocals, jumping, running on the stage or headbanging and after that expecting clear studio version notes. I'm not a specialist but I know how hard work is be a beast on the stage. Anyways thank you for your analyze and expert knowledge how voice working in fact.

[@msanthropea13]

I had planned to watch this earlier then I saw the announcement that there would be a follow up to this analysis. In the interest of (I don't know) fairness (?) I decided to wait until that had happened to watch this. This way I had more clarity about this critique. All that being said, I'd like to point out that I am a *fan*. I am not a professional singer, I am not voice coach; I am a person who enjoys music. And as a *fan* Nightwish is one of my favorite bands and Floor Jansen *is* absolutely my favorite contemporary female singer; for one reason, and one reason only, her voice *moves* me in a way that no other singer's voice does. Music is an art form, music is entertainment, and music is emotion. We as a species created it to *move* us, and to elicit an emotional response in us, and for entertainment. I think, perhaps, this is why *fans* get sooo defensive about their favorite musicians. When they play (or sing) and that feeling wailes up in them; their chest gets tight, chills run up their spine, and their hair stands on end, that's a real thing. Then when someone tells them that this musician could be better in some way, they're hurt or angry because it somehow invalidates that *feeling* they get. Is Floor perfect? No. And I would doubt she'd claim to be. But is she my favorite singer? Oh god yes. I have driven *hours* to hear her sing. Literally, chasing that *feeling* that her voice gives me. It's awe inspiring (to me) but certainly not technically prefect. But does she possess a voice, uniquely her own, that sends chills up my spine and which once literally brought me to tears in a live setting. Yeap. Someone saying that she's not *technically* perfect doesn't make any of that emotion less valid And, ya know, if she continues to work on her inconsistencies and her technique, she might get better. Think of that. And, as far as I am aware, she does still have a coach. What do you think she's paying someone for? To teach her to sing? No, she's got that down. She's now honing technique. So every body calm the hell down. It is ok that someone said she isn't perfect. And to everybody who is here screaming about Tarja, yes, she is a wonderful singer. If she is your favorite, enjoy. Technically, she is advanced and proficient in a way that Floor isn't. Look at the timeline, while Tarja was studying classical singing. Floor was still technically a "child", still in high school. (Tarja is a good bit older than Floor.) Then at 16 or 17, Floor joined After Forever, around the time that Nightwish was beginning. They had different paths to where they are today. Tarja is an *amazing* singer. And a stand out in her genre because of her background and her style. Floor is, and always has been, much more of a rock/metal singer. They're always going to be different, and Tarja is, perhaps, always going to be more "proficient". But they're good at what they do. That's why a lot of people say Floor suits Nightwish better. Nightwish is a metal band. Floor is a metal singer. A lot of Tarja's solo material would be better classified as "classical crossover" than metal. I don't think this was an accident given she knows what sounds best with her particular voice when she had the freedom to do what she wanted. Enjoy the music. Accept the critiques. They don't make your emotions or your reactions to the music less valid. Those *feelings* are primal, and meaningful to you. Sorry this was long winded. I did not mean to take up so much of your time, but I felt this was a valid angle to this conversation. Thank you. *steps down from soapbox*

[@ZachAnsley]

Its... OBJECTIVE REASONING! I feel like I just spotted an ultra-rare pokemon or something. Thank you for this post.

[@drolzak7]

The like/dislike ratio shows the divide between the tarja/floor discussion. All I cared about is that this is a quality analysis, very in depth and way more informing than the standard "vocal coach reaction" videos on here. Good job dude, I really like this kind of content. (Also I like floor the most of all singers, but to each their own, don't get your butts hurt over someone else's opinion)

[@EllyInVideoland]

No butts were hurt in the making of this comment

[@ChrisPhoenixMusic]

Tarja has a few more years of experience in lyrical/classical singing and therefor can rely on that a bit easier than Floor, but Floor's technique isn't lacking in the least compared to Tarja. It quite simply comes down to choices. Tarja's choices are based on her training. Floor's choices are based on finding her own unique voice *from* her training and also her interests. Different motivations, therefor different voices. Tarja also can at times overuse vibrato and mispronounce words in English by going too wide with her vowels (which is mostly from her accent). Tarja's much better with it these days, though. Floor is a soprano that has *very* good control over her head/middle/chest transitions and fry & distortion. And yeah, she tends to smile a lot while she's singing. It doesn't negatively affect her singing in the least, though. Check out After Forever. She's got the training as a metal singer to have immense stamina through her variety of vocal stylings. I appreciate your very thorough and unbiased analysis.

[@zelda0521]

I think there's a big issue with critiquing a singer's "technique" based on one performance. Sometimes singers push and strain on high notes due to that being their actual and regular singing approach. Other times, a singer may show push or strain because they're on a bad day with stamina or other health issues, but they may have a very technical and healthy approach towards singing in general.

[@Georg1979]

Yes. It's a well known issue with rock bands, that they usually have a very tough schedule on tour. Like 100 concerts in a few months or even more. A lot of the iconic bands from the '80s suffered from this too, back in the day. 2 hours of effort almost every day at this level is very tiring. The thing here with this video is that this was a show in the middle of a world tour. But! This was also a show, that was filmed for a DVD release. So no matter what shape you are in, you want to sound good, no matter what. I think that's what was happening here. Floor is very well known for being an intelligent individual. And knows how to take care of her voice. But she's also a very professional performer and knows what to do when. I mostly agree with the analysis of this performance. But I'm not so sure I would like to hear Tarja singing Puccini, more than Floor. I would much rather hear what Zach thinks about Floor singing O mio babbino caro. The Revamp version of it, not the one that was recorded in the dutch TV.

[@kimberlyh.1090]

A singers technique is going to be used in every song. Some songs might have different techniques used, but 90% of the time a singer will rely on what they know/or think works. So I don't think it makes much difference is he used this performance, or 20. And he used only 1 performance to critique Tarja too, so there you go. ;p

[@Wmeester1971]

@@kimberlyh.1090 Well I have my sincere doubts that analyzing one song, whether it is Floor or Tarja, can ever draw a good picture of any singer. This song is not exactly the trademark off Floor. She is so much more than that.

[@kimberlyh.1090]

@@Wmeester1971 "This song is not exactly the trademark off Floor." If you're talking about GLS being her trademark, I'd say she's really good but it's in direct opposition to what you just said previously. *And* it's been done to death.

[@Wmeester1971]

@@kimberlyh.1090 No not specifically GLS. There are so many songs to pick from, even from her time with After Forever (e.g. Monolith of doubt) or Revamp that picking this song seems alomost criminal. You'd take about the most of set of wacken 2013, a handfull of the Wembly arena or Buenos Aires 2018, Beste Zangers or anything solo. But this song is about the furthest away from what she is about.

[@jarodvermilyea3690]

To anyone trying to counter what Zach is saying: He explains everything solely based on his experience and knowledge as a voice teacher. He's not just some random fucking idiot spouting off random crap about a singer because it seems like some people think he's biased when he's already explained himself. Jeez LMAO

[@MrRoziuke]

Every word Zach says is perfect true.Being a doctor with many years of experience I can add that his explanations are based on medical science as well.Did he had some studies of medicine?

[@osk9013]

How I enjoyed this analysis, it replied some of those questions I have been pondering! I read comments here and was thinking how Tuomas Holopainen of NW criticized the personality cult common to pop culture. The main thing is, after all, the work itself, not people behind it. Noticed that someone mentioned Floor Jansen to be a trained opera singer - no, she is not since a short time studies (opera) do not train you to be a professional. She has her own "category". I just wish that all that worshipping won't turn against her since she seems to be a nice person (plus I do believe she is just grateful for constructive analysis - we are never complete, "fully learnt", right?) Need to check whether Zach Ansley has analysed Marko Hietala. Tony Kakko I noticed already! Lovely, thank you!

[@vinapocalypse]

Her wide embouchure in the first time it's brought up is likely just smiling, which seems like maybe something a lot of pop singers and other stage performers are taught to do for audience engagement reasons

[@ArthurRaymundo]

Very nice! One of the most well oriented speeches about voice technique in these vocal analysis/"reactions" videos across KZbin. I hope people listen the information here presented with open mind and respect to someone who demonstrates great knowledge about voice. Me myself a classical trained singer and a vocal coach, I'm happy to see vocal analysis of this quality around the internet. Keep up the good work!

[@EllyInVideoland]

Niceee

[@nahco3994]

Thank you for this excellent, interesting and exhaustive analysis. Since I'm very much of a layman on this topic, I'm not even gonna try debating any of your points. However, I'd still like to ask some questions regarding the technical critique you gave. Maybe someone can answer them. 1) Regarding the strain on her voice during the last part of the song, could it be possible that she does that on purpose, as some kind of effect? I'm not convinced that it's her upper register in general that's causing this, because there's several recordings of her singing in that range in a clean, classical and unstrained voice. 2) Since you specifically mentioned her facial expression during that part, could it be possible that this is part of her performance, part of her "act"? As a singer who takes center stage in a concert in so many ways, the performance consists of more things than just the voice.

[@jsosic]

Also as an addition - if this really damages vocal, is it something that happens gradually - meaning she will notice every year her voice is a bit weaker/narrower in range or does it happen exponentially - meaning one can do it for years on but then it just worsens quickly within a short period of time and just kills the voice completely?

[@matheussalgado3749]

Bad song to react about Floor's Voice, she's so much more amazing than that and this is a bit sad

[@kimberlyh.1090]

It's not a fan video.

[@Georg1979]

Floor can take care of her voice. I've seen the whole concert a number of times and she clearly holds back on a few songs that she did earlier on another DVD record. Because it's an important aspect of this performance that this was a show recorded for DVD release. So what I'm trying to point out is that she knows when to give it everything for the sound and when to just go through the motions, all of this because they also have a tough tour schedule. So she could be tired, out of shape, etc. She already lasted 20+ years singing, that's more than Axl Rose or Bon Jovi did in the height of their careers. And she's still in great shape for the future. The problem with all iconic rock/metal bands is that their music is so emotionally exhausting that it's hard to keep up the fire for a particular song for 10 or 20 years. So it might lose it's edge by the performer, especially the singer. So even if the singer doesn't lose his/her voice it's sometimes hard to "rediscover" a song. As Bruce Dickinson said for "Fear of the dark" for example. All in all I think that the next tour with the new album will be a huge success for Nightwish. Regardless how good the new album will be. But after that we will have to see, how they will carry on. As by then they will have mostly gone through their catalog of songs with Floor. So it will be tougher and tougher to stay fresh and new. And they'll also get older as the years go by. So I don't really think that Floor's voice will be the immediate concern in the next ten years for Nightwish. I think she'll be fine.

[@kerylorbsmultidimensional4214]

I'm a lifelong professional singer & I'm picky. (Floor is from Holland, btw) She's a vocal acrobat & she's my very favorite female vocalist, along with Paula Cole. Floor doesn't just sing, she performs and entertains. She engulfs her audience with her presence. Her pitch is immaculate & I LOVE her technique! Her onstage performance is nothing less than magical. (this recording isn't representative of what she can really do)

[@dr.disaster6235]

Finally someone said it: "Disturbed Sound of Silence is the most autotuned pile of garbadge". Can't agree more.

[@jackskellington9570]

However it's not. It's boosted yes. But almost everything is now a days

[@MartinMillerGuitar]

@@jackskellington9570 What do you mean it's not? It clearly is. What is "boosted" as opposed to "tuned"? It's a very lazily post-produced performance.

[@jackskellington9570]

@@MartinMillerGuitar boosted means more than pitch

[@fruitlessworship]

@@jackskellington9570 as an audio engineer and producer, i have no idea what you mean by boosted. do you mean it was EQ'd? do you mean it was made louder? there are several things "boosted" can mean in relation to production and you have not made clear which meaning you are alluding to

[@jackskellington9570]

@@fruitlessworship volume mostly

[@arthurwilliams7511]

Well said. Both wonderful singers. I love Floor with nightwish, but Tarja is my favorite singer/songwriter/ composer . I love her solo career. Also worth pointing out that they are good friends and very supportive of each other. The rivalry is completely fabricated by fans. It’s utter nonsense.

[@anne29030]

Who is Tardja?............... ;)

[@kimberlyh.1090]

@@anne29030 The woman who gave Floor a career.

[@EllyInVideoland]

NONSENSE

[@arthurwilliams7511]

@@EllyInVideoland what’s nonsense?

[@SuperThaidave]

i love her interpretation of this song-it is both tender, intimate and powerful.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

I think you would get scared when you watch her sing "Disdain" with her band "Revamp" I do understand this was not her best rendition. I think it's a health thing. She does admit having colds on tour now and than. But I did not notice a problem when I saw her live in Amsterdam.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

26th of 2018 that was

[@jazzysugar3777]

Floor sick still gets herself a 90% performance... other vocalists don't even reach a 90% good performance when completely healthy LOL

[@topneorej]

To say the way Floor sings damages her voice is the same as saying the way Nadal plays tennis damages his body. It might be truth, but these are special individuals. Floor sings professionally for over 25 years at the highest level and easily belts out the highest notes in "The greatest show on earth" at the end of an almost two hour long concert. Clearly the damage is not existing for her.

[@pts3896]

At 28:00 He was talking something "if you want to have sustainable voice through out your life you can't make career singing like this.." It made me think: "well how about AC/DC"

[@pts3896]

Still I'm not disagreeing that she would sound even better if the high notes would sound more relaxed and easy... Easier said than done :D

[@pts3896]

Satisfaction kills the progress. You can always be better and you should seek for errors to correct and stay challenged to improve yourself.

[@landzender]

About the word "last". You are using the American pronunciation of the "a". Other countries (and even regions), the "a" longer like an "ar". Like "larst".

[@SamGamgee8012]

If you learn English as a 2nd language, you usually learn the English pronunciation, especially in Europe.

[@gracybelikov2013]

He’s using the international phonetic alphabet, American pronunciation has nothing to do with it.

[@jdc9792]

@@gracybelikov2013 no, he's just ignorant

[@paigerocks884]

@@jdc9792 you're an idiot lmao. yeah I'm sure the opera singer has no idea about regional vowel pronunciations.

[@jamgant]

Supposed to be an analysis about Floor. "I will not compare her to Tarja". Mentioned Tarja about 10 times within the first minute... You lost me bro!

[@Mas_Tun]

That intro was awesome lol

[@liricobarroco]

Mas Tun lol

[@komulautre3811]

Yeah lol, I'm sure plenty of singers on mainstream tv can sing too but I hate how they autotune it all. I'm not against autotune but it doesn't add anything to that performance! All it does is give people an unrealistic expectation of what a voice is supposed to sound like.

[@AnthonyMcBazooka]

There is a video of a performance of Sound of Silence without autotune on KZbin and the singing is so bad it kills my ears.

[@PatrickVanDijk_NL]

I found it funny too, but it might have caused a small portion of the downvotes from Disturbed fans I guess. It is true though, the autotune was proven with pitch analysis software, both on the album and on the live show.

[@ScheisseTyranna]

People get so emotional when Floor is critiqued in any degree, even gently. They simply can't fathom somebody not worshipping her every note. I love her but I really appreciate your analysis, I learned some things and it was refreshing to see a Floor Nightwish reaction video with more substance than mere oohing and ahhing. Thank you!

[@natalijalaonar8187]

"People" are morons. Floor is a sligtly-above-average singer who scored a lucky break vith Nightwish. And frankly, after the ear-sore that vas Anette, the bar vas set prety low. But kompared to Tarja... come on! Not even in the same league. To find female singers in league vith Tarja, one has to look at profesional classical/opera singers.

[@tomm.8571]

@@natalijalaonar8187 Lol , Really? Tarja is 3. League ,Floor 1.

[@natalijalaonar8187]

@@tomm.8571 Reverse that, and you are right.

[@tomm.8571]

Natalija Laonar no , is painfull for Tarjaholics but is true. Tarja is the Past and this is good

[@natalijalaonar8187]

@@tomm.8571 Must be painful to you, for being tone deaf vhen it comes to music. Tarja is the Past, Prezent, and Future, she makes awsome solo work, and mark my vords, Floor wil have the same fate as evryone else who singed for Nightwish. Eventualy Egomaniac Tuomas wil get tired of her and her side-things (and she is doing more and more of them), and replace her for "not being fuly vith the band". Hapened before, twice, it wil hapen agen. And vhen it does, she wil fade back to obskurity vhere she belongs.

[@metalvideos1961]

lol funny how you pronounced her last name. i am dutch and you hould not pronounce it like that. its a typical dutch surname. you just say it how it is written.

[@FinneousPJ1]

Actually, last with an ah is the correct pronunciation lol

[@Greyhound53200]

Isn't that one of the many differences between UK english and US english?

[@sarake-xx]

Just binge watched most of your female singer videos and I absolutely loved them. Proper, honest videos, with great explanations. And also, I fully agree with your comment on the artistry and I guess word painting (?). It's the distinction I'd make in Spanish between just a singer and an "intérprete", the latter being someone whose literally interpreting and conveying the emotions and the intention behind the lyrics.

[@pedjavukmirovic6770]

Did this dude just tell he want to help her to develop her singing... Really... Lol

[@confuzedpenguin9974]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Yeah good luck with that !

[@sheilacorbin521]

She knows exactly what she doing . She's amazing and so versatile. Also she was pregnant at this show

[@corneliusantonius3108]

Zach, .you strotted into a wasp hive with open eyes. I feel for you man

[@ZachAnsley]

Its all good. :)

[@corneliusantonius3108]

If you react to my comment that I feel for you man yeah you poked the hive it is all good. With her singing Stargazers same concert I even have critique but you see more Floor,. The reaction you did on Sleeping sun was right By Floors own standarrds it would be not that good, I still think its Nerves singing a TARJA STAMPED song. Floor doesn't like to cross Tarja since they are still good Friends. Èven if Tarja doesn''t care wich I think she does not Floor is a very EMOTIONAL woman and would feel thing in her innercore. Floor Jansen has a vast career and to judge her on one song is doing her injustice but hey that is just my opinion: : React to this and everybody will love you agan: Yes I can be a cheap marketing guy: Epica - Sancta Terra (feat Floor Jansen) Live Retrospect show kzbin.info/www/bejne/mamVY4yrn5ehsMk

[@MrRoziuke]

@@ZachAnsley Don't pay attention to dislikes ,that's not because your video is bad,that's because some "Floorgasmists" cannot accept the smallest criticism about their idol :) .By the way,I've seen somewhere request to do vocal analysis of M Shadows (Avenged Sevenfold)voice&perspectives.Can you do it,please,when you will have time? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJmncmp6pa2Uqs0 Or this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqiZinuajtBnjaM

[@corneliusantonius3108]

@@MrRoziuke Good pitch, I admire a good salesman when I recognize myself in you. Keeping it positive.

[@MrRoziuke]

@@corneliusantonius3108 Thanks, I'll take this as a compliment ;)

[@joshcavaradossi4813]

Hey Zack, you need a new video. How about Fabio Leone, classical training Male singer you can find some of him in Angra, Rhapsody of fire

[@Greyhound53200]

For all 'thumb down' reactors: I fully understand you are heartfelt fans of Floor but I'm afraid you did not grasp the intention of this video. There is a HUGE difference between a (first time) reaction and a professional in-deep technichal analysis. And it is the latter that Zach does. Zach clearly is aiming at people who sing on a professional basis or want to get there. He just offers technical valuable tips of how to improve and/or to watch out for techniques that might harm a professional voice. Though I don't fully get the grasp of how everything technically should function I very much liked this analysis and very clearly sensed the educational value of it. And yes, I'm a full-blown Floor fan.

[@ferrenberg]

I don't know anything about the technical aspect, but I loved this video very much. Pretty original and entertaining. I think both Tarja and Floor have their strong and weak spots, but I prefer Floor. Not because of a feud between fans, but because I'm a fan of After Forever, the band in which Floor was part of long before joining Nightwish. People rightly think she's amazing with Nightwish, but she was even better in her own band where she could do whatever she wanted. Thanks again, great analysis!

[@TerranigmaQuintet]

Technically speaking AF was not her own band either, that would be ReVamp, which she herself formed, unlike AF.

[@liricobarroco]

Vinícius Ferrenberg yeah, I have more After forever music than new nightwish songs in my playlist. She was awesome in AF, I think nightwish is making this to Floor!

[@2dimitropolis370]

I just hate Anette

[@tarmotyyri6733]

Came back after someone removed my first comment to let you know that I posted this video to Floor since near the end (27:13/30:13) of the video, you said she could damage her voice.

[@charliewalter4138]

I think Floor is very knowledgeable of her own voice. Usually when she belts she uses a lot of mixed voice rather than pure chest voice, so it's much easier for her to sound powerful, because there's a chest voice in use, but it doesn't tire her voice that much, 'cause she uses a lot of head voice in that mix. I saw a concert when she was barely using that high belt, she sung almost all high notes in her head voice - which means that she was probably tired and she didn't want to strain her voice too much. From what I saw from her (and I saw a lot of live singing) she sometimes chooses these powerful belts and she's aware that it's not very healthy, but many times she chose to use a head voice instead, when she felt it might be too much. And I think she really cares about her voice - she's over 40 now and doesn't sound like someone with unhealthy voice. Anyway - great video, I like these type of analysis, when someone gives an honest opinion instead of just praising everything. 🙂 P.S. I don't know how good it was in case of proper English, but it's not my first language and I know I make mistakes, sorry for that.

[@nightxandria2724]

For your information Floor is a classical trained singer so she can sing with her operatic voice if she wants (she has a dramatical voice if that way) you can check the band After Forever in which she used frequently that type of singing And she is also a vocal coach so every choice she makes is calculated (she already told that in an interview she won t make things just to show she can)

[@TheBaertierchen]

Now i want you to listen to Sharon den Adel and Simone Simons and analyse them :)

[@jessicahiga9870]

This is the most technical 0,0 analysis I've seen! learned a lot :D. XD even when I love Floor so much it stings when you critique her.

[@earthbound8070]

The last part of the song is how Floor sings most of the time. Constantly belting high notes. I would like to hear more about it. You said it is strained and somehow unhealthy and I agree that it doesn't sound good, but it is what people praise about her singing. Before getting into Nightwish she sounded a lot better imo. Btw you commented on Floor's and Anneke's accent which is really good but not Tarja's?

[@gencoserpen1260]

She can belt high notes without straining and does so plenty of times @Wacken2013. She deliberately added distortion to this belt here to separate herself from Tarja's version and the song needed that climax cause unlike Tarja's version she sang it pretty softly up until that point. That may sound like strain to a classical trained coach but dude this is a metal concert.

[@charmed1131]

I feel kind of bad that a lot of the discussion here devolved into dumb nightwish drama (I definitely contributed to it too, it's too easy to get sucked into it), because this is a pretty interesting and informative video about singing. But I guess it's better than no engagement at all (maybe?).

[@ZachAnsley]

I just don't see why people get so upset over these things. If Floor went to a classically trained voice teacher, these are the kinds of things he or she would advise her of. There's no malice, bias, or vitriol about it. Every singer has strengths and weaknesses, myself included. There's nothing wrong with that.

[@charmed1131]

@@ZachAnsley sometimes I think people get too invested in these things. Your favorite singer can't just be great she has to be perfect in every way and everyone has to agree about it. I think it's a lot of pressure to put on someone, and it doesn't leave them room to grow and learn.

[@LigeiaNoire]

@@ZachAnsley I hope you didn't get this kind of reaction on the Tarja's analysis because I really wanted you do some more commentary and analysis on her singing. Her opera arias. And possibly even coming up with what kind of soprano you think she is... And specially now that she is trying to attempt to branch into the chest register. It would be cool to hear the opinion of someone specialised. I really hope you reconsider. I surely appreciated these two videos even you stop here. Cheers.

[@ZachAnsley]

The response I got from Tarja was completely positive, and people were asking for my views on Floor. I even put up a poll about it. I had no idea that people would respond this way to a critique of her singing.

[@charmed1131]

@@ZachAnsley I just watched your FAQ vid it was also interesting. But I was wondering you talked about vocal health and sustainability, and a lot of these symphonic metal bands started in the early 90's so they have been singing for around 30 years, if what they were doing was really unhealthy wouldn't they see effects by now?

[@jackskellington9570]

Actually Floor is a large soprano. Believed to be A Dramatic Soprano. Which would explain her deeper tone. Especially during a metal concert where yes in sure she pushes a very little bit on the bottom. So headbanging and switching all over with vocals it takes a lot of control to do the sweet voice, quieter, and classical vocals. Even the belts here show she was more tired or out of breath. Or just goofed it and approached it wrong or without taking enough air. Belting powerfully and with little strain is one of her gifts.

[@andredias2407]

I'm sorry but this notion that Floor is a large soprano, or even a dramatic soprano, is ridiculed. I actually have to laugh out loud whenever I hear someone even mention it. Floor displays NONE Of the qualities of a dramatic soprano. NONE.

[@jackskellington9570]

@@andredias2407 Then you're the laughable one. If you can't even see the possibilities or a single characteristic you are a self entitled quack, don't know much of her material, or both. I didn't exclusively say she was one either. Get over yourself and don't be such fucking asshole

[@andredias2407]

@@jackskellington9570 When someone's a dramatic soprano, you KNOW they're a dramatic soprano. They're unmistakable.

[@jackskellington9570]

@@andredias2407 nothing is unmistakable or full proof in life. There's always many variables, aspects, and pieces to everything. And people like to look at everything very narrow minded. 1,000,000 piece puzzle....well 2+2= fish. That's it final answer. Its perfect. Cant be anything else. Have a good day. She only had a year of classical, other training was rock, shes on a metal stage most of the time, especially now a days doesnt do much operatic work, and was never professionally categorized. And probably doesn't care to be. She could be a full lyric with great cardio giving her dramatic edges. And I don't think shes a spinto. Her training, style of singing, recording quality, performance setting, and many aspects could alter what we perceive. One of the biggest characteristics of course is that power. And boy can she have it. That large assertive bellowing. Things like the range and tone. Resilience of thicker chords. Again... if you couldn't have even seen the possibility or where ones might have believed it then you are a quack, dont know much of her, or both.

[@jackskellington9570]

@@andredias2407 And denying that she has a large voice at all and claiming it as funny shows exactly that. You have no clue what you are doing or saying. Just being entitled and narrow minded. Just like people hearing a more technical singer think that immediately outclasses her. Way more to the whole picture then being a little more classically inclined

[@stenc5547]

*grabs popcorn*............ *put popcorn aside* EDIT: I think no one can sing Walking in the air like Tarja. I think no one can sing Ghost love score like Floor. But, Tarja is history. Like burning witches, steam powered cars, telephone boots... There are some efforts to revive those relics of history, but time moves only forward. I personally wish that Valkyrie that will pick my broken bones and carry them to Valhalla will sing like Floor. If she looks like her it will be a bonus :) and Tatiana Shmailyuk would walk in front and slay anyone who would object with her voice. *reach for popcorn again*

[@jazzysugar3777]

I agree in some points... just to add: Tarja wouldn't sing any of the Revamp or After Forever songs like Floor... it is weird that other way round nobody ever states this....

[@ZachAnsley]

full disclosure, I have no idea what Revamp or After Forever even is. This analysis was the first time I had ever even heard Floor sing. I had no idea that the song was written for Tarja, etc. I'm not a fan of the band. How am I supposed to know these things?

[@jazzysugar3777]

@@ZachAnsley hmm..... well... Google? ;-) check them out please, you'll be surprised. After Forever Monolith of doubt, there's a great live version. Or After Forever Energize me Red Limo String Quartet to check Floor's classical vocals. And Revamp On the sideline for her insane rock grunt scream vocals. And about the rehearsal situation, there's a documentary about the production of the Endless Forms Most Beautiful album from Nightwish in which Tuomas speaks about this.

[@ZachAnsley]

I suggest you check out my intro/FAQ video to see what I am about on this channel. It might give you a better understanding of where my analysis is coming from. I don't do the 'scream' stuff here. If I analyze someone's classical rep it is going to be a whole lot more harsh than if I analyze contemporary repertoire. My Tarja video is proof of that. I hold her to a classical standard throughout the entire video.

[@charmed1131]

@@ZachAnsley you're not. Nightwish is a band with a lot of drama surrounding it, I mean there was a another singer Anette and that situation also brought a lot of drama that isn't even being discussed here. It can definitely be too much for some people, so I understand if you don't want to analyze any of them again. I like the music enough to overlook some of the nastier of the fandom, but if you're not even a fan I'm not sure it's worth it for you...

[@FrancescoDiMauro]

I've been watching some youtube videos of her singing in 2018 (e.g. at Wacken) and I'm a bit worried for the overall shape of her voice, its seems to be in worse conditions with respect to, for example, 2013 Wacken or 2015 Tampere. I've also seen Nightwish live a few weeks ago, and while she delivered a great performance, the sheer power and clarity of those concerts was missing. Do you think she could have already strained her voice (maybe also due to age and/or pregnancy), or maybe (hopefully) it was just a bad year? I really hope she will recover, because that recording of Ghost Love Score at Wacke 2013 sends shivers down my spine each time I hear it, she really is a great singer! Thanks for your informed opinions! : )

[@ZachAnsley]

Pregnancy tends to have a MASSIVE impact on the female voice. It differs from person to person but in my experience and knowledge, usually the range moves down a bit.

[@davemason4055]

She sounded great on Ayreon Universe which was recorded in Sept. 2017. Was the proshot video from Wacken 2018 a Nightwish production or from the Wacken crew?

[@jsosic]

@@davemason4055 it was from the Wacken crew.

[@AlistairSings]

She did a video series on vocal technique and it seemed to be based on CVT (complete vocal technique). I would love to hear your perspective and views on CVT, being classically trained as you are. Late comment, but only just discovered your channel. Great content! Thanks

[@zhouxiaomei2667]

I really like your in-depth analyses of both Tarja and Floor. I love love love Tarja's voice, she is the one who got me interested in singing, but I also can feel the passion of Floor. I also really appreciate your genuine comments from technical and artistry aspects, it was really instructive. I feel like your video can actually help someone like me understand the mechanism of healthy singing. Can you please react to Simone Simons from Epica? She has had classical training and sings in both musical and operatical ways, in my opinion. Can you please elaborate on how to get the musical voice in a healthy way? I really like the brightness but-not-too-thinned-out texture about it. "Mixed voice", that is the term I heard people saying. Thank you. The most instructive youtube analyses I have seen.

[@markototev]

Is that video after her pregnancy? From the few videos I've seen, her performance seemed less good after giving birth as compared to the Ghost Love Score official live video and the Wacken performance. Definitely had more strain in the videos I've seen.

[@Brombit]

It was before, she was pregnant in 2017 :)

[@Brombit]

@GalaxyLife # He said that he considered using the Ghost Love Score performance, but so that he didn't have enough to teach from it :) and I'm sad that it has pitch correction. Let us hear the flaws :( but I guess it has to be "perfect" to be "official live" :/

[@Brombit]

@GalaxyLife # well, I haven't watched any of the streams 😛 I don't see such a big difference between Wacken and other performances, but maybe my ears are not that good 😉 It's just a bit frustrating that the band/label feels a need to display fake perfection. It's much worse than a singer doing some mistakes like a normal human 😛

[@charmed1131]

Everyone fights about Floor vs Tarja but nobody cares about Anette =P. But seriously Tarja and Floor are friends so the animosity between their fans is weird... I get why Tuomas and Tarja fans have problems with each other (that open letter was something else, the book, the odd diss tracks back in forth, the husbands QA, the attack on stage in 2000, and then you have Tarja crying in her press conference... it's just a lot of drama, but it doesn't have anything to do with Floor). Personally, I like Floor better in ReVamp maybe because she has more creative control there. Anyway interesting analysis, I like that I feel that I'm actually learning a little bit from these vids.

[@charmed1131]

Also the Disturbed joke in the beginning made me smile =)

[@joshcavaradossi4813]

Man Tuomas give an small ego to her, she don't used her true voice to sing on that, I love the way she did in Afterr forever. I saw some live videos with nightwish but I don't know if shes tired or something with the sound. But I hope the new CD gives to her that deserve her voice! Something big

[@charmed1131]

@@joshcavaradossi4813 I don't think EFMB does enough to showcase Floor's talent or range. When most people talk about how great Floor sounds with Nightwish they mean the old songs from Anette or Tarja's time with the band, not the songs from the album that was supposed to be written for her voice. I think she sounds better on Northward then EFMB. But yeah, hopefully the next nightwish album is better and Tuomas writes her some material where Floor can really shine.

[@nick74bul]

Yeah Floor and Tarja are friends which has nothing to do with their fans. As long as Tarja fans push everyone and everything that Tarja is the best and only singer in the world there would be war..

[@charmed1131]

@@nick74bul Tarja has some annoying fans yes, the way some people treated Anette was awful (who buys a ticket to a bands show just to protest the new singer? some fans are dumb) but so does Floor (there was a while were they kept mass disliking Tarja's solo vids) and so does Anette (I remember her fans made facebook pages hating on Floor). I don't choose the music I like based on the rest of the fanbase. As long as the artist doesn't condone or support their fans bad behavior I don't see how you can blame them for it.

[@malinikolineklauseth]

Scandinavia: Norway, Denmark, Sweden. NOrthern Countries: same, but also includes Iceland and Finland.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

She is 37 I think she knows what she is doing. EDIT maybe not that song on that day.

[@MartinMillerGuitar]

Doesn't mean her technique is flawless.

[@corneliusantonius3108]

@@MartinMillerGuitar Certainly not with this song that is one thing that is sure and in general overall you are right maybe onley Dimash is flawless, Since I know other work of her even with "Monolith of Doubt" with her old band After Forever or Floor singing together with Simone Simons from Epica the song Sancta Terra than I thibk she can do better than in this instance in time.

[@anne29030]

Who is Tardja? .... ;)

[@kimberlyh.1090]

The only reason Floor has a career in Nightwish.

[@Retfie719]

7:34 I like the explanation on "last" but it sounds as if the only correct way to pronounce it was /læst/. However in British English it is always /lɑːst/, as Floor sang it. For me it has been always obvious that she sang with a British pronunciation rather than American.

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

Glenn Hughes, will you check him out? His called the Voice of Rock for a reason.

[@onlythtruth2938]

the very definition of symphonic metal necessarily involved a classical vocal approach and so that is why Tarja was originally chosen..

[@SingWhileYouMay]

No, they grew into the genre because Tarja was available as their singer. It wasn't Tuomas' initial ambition at all.

[@Mohamedmifxal]

You think that Disturbed Video is bad? Well those Dimash reactions are even worse.

[@richardmetzler7909]

Just randomly clicked on this video days after Zach returned from a lengthy hiatus to thoroughly dissect "Sound of Silence". "...and that's all I will ever have to say about that" - lol, never say never.

[@ZachAnsley]

Took me a few years 🤣

[@2dimitropolis370]

Both are good. So different

[@truckparkinghoekvanholland3498]

Hi Zack, Floor Jansen is a soprano and not a mezzo. Read her Bio.

[@kimberlyh.1090]

Her vocal timbre says otherwise.

[@thorstormlord]

Another quality video from you Zach, i really prefer the more technical approach of Tarja on tis song and many more but i do agree with you about Floor being a better fit for the band bu ti will say that she is a better fit for the band as it is NOW.

[@maryalaya09]

Well done. You focused the discussion with Floor and a slight comparison when necessary. Thumbs up.

[@lj7816]

Thanks for not only your critical analysis, but for giving this much Euro talent, exposure.. I'm looking forward to being a. contributing member. Unleash the Archers and Doro are great examples of the "banshee" side of female metal. Also looking forward to when King Diamond makes his unique entrance into your forum. Thanks for doing this. Incredible education on voice here. i could listen all day. 👍

[@feridedogan7653]

Floor is a lyric soprano

[@DfsOutlier]

talking about her strain and push, if you watch other vids you will see that that is a choice, she tailors her voice to the song.

[@hoongood3344]

Xena rocks!

[@billattercliffe8655]

I was interested in this analysis until I realized you were reviewing Sleeping Sun. Seriously? Ghost Love Score would have been a far better choice. You have missed something critical here. Floor makes stylistic choices in her singing that can change from measure to measure. She will deliberately sing in a less technically correct way in order to impart emotion to a song. In this case she is emphasizing the lyrics, almost speaking them in a sense. She is reducing the attention to the music: something most artists would not do. Compare this to Tarja's version where she is singing beautifully, but much of the lyrics are unintelligible. As an example, when the Poet and the Pendulum was first performed with Anette Olzon, a boy soprano sang the introduction and the part "Sparkle my scenery". In the later version with Floor, the boy soprano was retained for the introduction, but Floor sang "Sparkle my scenery". She sings it in a thin, almost reedy voice with a hint of instability. She is deliberately imitating the vocal immaturity of a boy soprano. This is a woman who sings without ego. Tarja was more of less the same in every one of her Nightwish songs. Pick any one of them and you have heard what Tarja had to offer. Tarja's classical training shines through in her precise, technical renditions. Floor, on the other hand, is all over the stylistic and technical map, from opera to growls. Floor sings in whatever way the song requires. You need to listen to a lot more of her repertoire before commenting.

[@weecher8956]

These videos are amazing.

[@EllyInVideoland]

Hell yeeee

[@CookBoss88]

You're like the Mike With Become The Knight of Voice Coach Reactions. Edit: You two should make a video Together.

[@ZachAnsley]

Let him know! I'm completely down. :)

[@manoj_dewri]

Floor is a vocal coach herself and she knows what she is doing. If you really looking for the technical singing aspects of Floor then you should watch After Forever live performances.

[@kevinmcgowan5371]

Unfortunately, you picked a very poor song to judge Floor on. One of the big thing Floor brings is an ability to sing many styles. Her ability to change between them on the fly is truly impressive. I would highly suggest listening to her singing: "Ghost Love Score" from the "Waken Open Air 2013" concert. In that song she displays the amazing range of singing styles. I think you may be confusing a deliberate change of style for an inconsistency in her voice and that song will give you a chance to see what she can really do. Here is a link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIrNep9-jKd0jNE

[@zeljkosudic]

Floor is a Goooooodes

[@onearthonelegion]

This is real stuff

[@thesaltybeard1793]

As a devoted fan of nightwish and of this singer as well as a big time consumer of reaffirm my opinion and bias voice coach reacts videos I watched it all the way through and couldn't disagree with much of anything you had to say about her. To be fair most of these reaction channels are for entertainment primarily. They know they can't wax poetic about every part of a singers technique because people will get bored or mad. So they primarily put the good in about singers. If they have 10 opportunities to input something in 10 minutes they need to do it this way. Or else the one or two critiques they have against a singer will stand out far more. Honestly given the like dislike ratio I was expecting you to tear into her more. But nope. You pretty much stroked my ego just like the rest of them. I agree with just about everything positive and negative. Sometimes when I'm watching the simpler reaction videos I hear the negative aspects and cringe, feeling that the voice coach is going to say something about it but then they rarely if ever do. They ignore it. That's a business decision. And the right one. But you're not here for business you're here to teach and I love that. Keep it up. Edit: except for that thing about sound of silence in the beginning. That's low down dirty. Though I think or hope you were just exaggerating. David was sick thst day and the producers made him do the auto tune. He wasn't happy with it. However I can hardly hear the auto tune and I feel there's a lot there that auto tune wouldn't be a factor in for an analysis. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not an expert and am probably ignorant as to the extent that auto tune can alter things. Lemme know!

[@NatalijaJ]

In first 6min 35 sec of this video we have 10 sec of the song and the rest you talking about her singing, that practicly started! How on earth did you know about all this based on hee 10 seconds of singing, you studied both of them before this for sure.

[@ZachAnsley]

I did study her beforehand. This isn't a reaction video. I suggest you watch my FAQ/intro video.

[@maryakin-ajayi5601]

Thank you so much. When people praise strain over healthy consistent singing I just shake my head. I love versatility but it should be done PROPERLY. Floor strains too much for me all in the name of belting.

[@eddys.3524]

Simone Simons from Epica could be a nice next.....

[@treintje1001]

You say you 'd rather hear Tarja sing Puccini than Floor. Well, Floor can sing Puccini as well. Actually there are a few videos on youtube where she actually sings a Puccini area. Have you looked at those? I would very much like to hear your view on those. Here is a link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZXCopaYrJiZa7M You have to skip the interview first. I am curious to hear your analysis. Thanks and keep up the good work!

[@TheEscapist90]

I'd love to hear more from you about Floor's different styles. Like when she does growl or scream too.

[@Michael-jg8pw]

New camera, looking sweet!

[@ZachAnsley]

Same camera, new lighting! Thanks :)

[@CacheTaFace]

Cool channel, it's to cool to have a classical perspective on modern singing! Speaking of which, I would like to know your thoughts on Ian Thornley's voice and singing approach. He's a gritty baritone with soaring high notes who often gets compared with Chris Cornell, but his voice has held out much better than Cornell. It's actually gotten stronger and more consistent with age. He's been singing with grit for 25 years and no discernible decline. Anyway, I thought he would make an interesting case study.

[@fine_nib_witch]

I just found your channel, and I love hearing vocal analysis for singers I love (Tarja, Floor) I'm a big fan of the symphonic metal genre. I also remember in one of your videos you asked for more female vocalists. I have a plethora of suggestions if you wanna do any of them! But primarily, I'd love to see you do something on Simone Simons. Sancta Terra (also features Floor) should be interesting enough I think: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mamVY4yrn5ehsMk

[@despairingleonardo]

I am so happy you made analysis about Floor. I didn't know she had so much technical issue. Can u do Ariana Grande analysis???

[@jeffreyphipps1507]

First, Floor Jansen is NOT Scandinavian - she's Dutch. The band is Finnish, but she's had to learn Finnish to express certain thoughts. Otherwise, they communicated in English. Second, the song has certain aspects of changing tones in the music. It makes me wonder if you actually read the music. If you are going to fairly critique this you need to answer the questions where you said things like "I don't know if there's a reason..." - there usually is a reason.

[@ZachAnsley]

I can't read her mind. Unless there is a score that a composer wrote with specific dynamic markings and whatnot, there is no way to know exactly why some singers make those kinds of adjustments. Sometimes singers AREN'T thinking about it, and they just do whatever they can do to create the sound. And yeah, I saw after the fact that she wasn't Scandinavian. I'm not a fan of the band, and lots of times when I do analyses of singers I just do cursory glances at their backgrounds. Since Nightwish was from Finland I assumed she was as well. That was my mistake.

[@Atomicprince]

Well, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia either. :)

[@ZachAnsley]

@@Atomicprince Yeah I definitely don't know enough about European countries haha

[@jeffreyphipps1507]

Peter Ledenvik good point. Finland has a completely different language. Like most countries, we are taught things that are not true about other countries. I believe Scandinavia is just Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Those languages share similar features.

[@IkmelAAA]

This song is a prime example of how Tarja is technically superior to Floor.

[@natalijalaonar8187]

Definitly. Its hard to even listen to this.

[@rafaelmassanori3779]

Very good video. I love Floor, she’s my favorite singer. Maybe you could do another video on her songs,not nightwish’s,such as:Disdain,Precibus or Mysery’s No Crime;Where she mixes rock,classical and grunts.

[@EllyInVideoland]

That's a cool idea

[@j800r]

Not her strongest performance, but then I’m not sure if you went for that deliberately. I suppose you’re only as good as your worst performance really. It only gets better from there and she really doesn’t get worse than that.

[@ZachAnsley]

I look for 'teachable moments'. I found a video that was 'better' than this one but it was also heavily pitch corrected. I also didn't want to use any of her classical videos next to Tarja because that wouldn't be fair given that Tarja's background is SPECIFICALLY for that kind of repertoire. I also think that my videos wouldn't be nearly as educational or effective if I just sought out the best that everyone had to offer. Trust me, there are videos of me on my old youtube channel certainly not at my vocal best that I would gladly break down in this same way. I do enjoy hearing her sing though, don't get me wrong.

[@GregSBTheEagle]

I just wonder @@ZachAnsley , why don't you analyse Tarja's Sleeping Sun also? Here I give you a few good links. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2KnYWiGjb2Gac0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJ_apKyaa7mLrpo

[@jazzysugar3777]

Great comment

[@ZachAnsley]

@@GregSBTheEagle Honestly - I think Floor fits the song better. Tarja is oversinging quite a bit in both of those videos.

[@andredias2407]

@@ZachAnsleyLegitimately asking: why do you think she's oversinging? lol

[@melisg6254]

The truth! Thank you for this video.But I prefer Tarja for this song. Tarja has different voice and it’s not easy to sing like her. This songs are not for opera or classical music. I’m a opera student. I know how hard it is. But floor is good with her chest voice. But i don’t find floor’s voice strong. So light and soft. Floor has has an amazing lot of talent. But not like metal. So is Tarja. But NW is awesome! Some songs for Floor, some songs for Tarja:)

[@randylevy]

Loved this analysis! It's great how you break everything down and tie the "jargon" back to what's physically happening so that's it's concrete and understandable by someone (ok, me :) ) who doesn't know much about the intricacies of singing. Looking forward to more analyses (maybe Unleash the Archers?).

[@GreyBandanna]

I had my doubts about that Disturbed cover of The sound of silence. I like it, but somehow it sounds strange everytime I listen to it. Glad to know now. PS. enjoy this surge of views, man. The community needed an honest vocal coach for once

[@jackskellington9570]

While hes incredibly smart and knows what he is talking about on many things... that song is not the most auto tuned out. I barely heard any if at all. Yes it's enhanced more for reverb or volume. Not so much his voice itself. He has a nice voice and is plenty capable of singing the song. Just maybe not with the same eerie power of the studio one.

[@jarodvermilyea3690]

@@jackskellington9570 he's not saying it's the most auto tuned song out there, he's just pointing out that he hears as a professional music and voice teacher.

[@ZachAnsley]

That song has artifacts all over it.

[@jackskellington9570]

@@ZachAnsley I wish it wasn't. I can hear some things. Especially more to the boost. I guess my thing is you can definitely still hear that it's his voice through and whether by his choice or the label they chosen just leave it as it was which would have been perfect on its own. But they had to tweak all the little things. I hate that about music today. You can't even be on a singing show without a lot of enhancement. If you don't think they can sing good enough.... especially with tons of time and pre recording for the show... then why have them or the show 😑😑

[@dandonna3904]

some songs was better being played by first singer en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarja_Turunen

[@FemaleMetalLover]

Your next female singer : Sara Squadrani - Ancient Bards

[@thorstormlord]

That's a very good voice..andore metal than nightwish these days

[@EllyInVideoland]

You should request that one when hes live on twitch!

[@Shiva182Katarina]

You should listen to Anette as well, complete the Nightwish trio and also listen to Marco, the male singer in the band.

[@ZachAnsley]

They are both definitely on the agenda in the future. :)

[@JasonSmith-lp6wg]

I would think if you're serious about wanting to hear dynamic singers, I would think you'd want to check-out Diamanda Galas (unless, of course, you, already, know of her). I don't know how to describe her; but you should view her 1992 performance - with Jon Paul Jones - on the John Stewart Show. The song is Skotseme. As an experimental singer (with a six octave range, purportedly), she's in her own category. In fact, she kinda scares me. Enjoy.

[@LigeiaNoire]

If he wants her voice at her best the vjnland museum performance is the one to watch. Her collab with John is too mild. Regardless, he is not doing analysis any more.

[@JasonSmith-lp6wg]

@@LigeiaNoire Thanks, I'll check that out. Also, why is he no longer doing analysis? I really liked that he'd call-out bad techniques. Did he get to many negative comments?

[@LigeiaNoire]

@@JasonSmith-lp6wg and death threats... It was pretty ridiculous really...

[@ZachAnsley]

I'm still around and deciding what to do with this channel. Watch my most recent catch-up video and it explains things.

[@JasonSmith-lp6wg]

@@ZachAnsley I'm glad to hear that. Personally, I liked your frank discussions about vocal techniques. It, always, annoys me when people get so sensitive when learning that their beloved stars aren't musical virtuosos. Furthermore, I'm tired of - well intentioned - vocal coaches offering these hyper affirming reviews, which has caused me to stop listening to the lot of them. The ones to whom I still pay attention are, like yourself, critical, with excellent - and thoughtful - criticism. I've, actually, learned something about vocal, musicality from such videos. So, I thank you for that.

[@moonlight28487]

I see you're against of using the belting technic. I know many vocal coaches who think there's a "healthy " belting and a bad one. What do you think about it? Using belting is good or bad? Because in contemporary music is common to use mixed register and belting to put more agressiveness and emotion but I really want to know your perspective as a classical vocal teacher. Grettings!

[@Roman-yt8up]

Zach has no problem with belting at all. He just said that hers weren't technically flawless in tha video, that's all :) but he never said that she wasn't a good singer or so

[@maryakin-ajayi5601]

Listen to Lara Fabian and hear healthy belts

[@acidreins]

Research of the band would have yielded that Tarja was the lead singer of Nightwish for years, Sleeping Sun having been written and done during that period of time. Sleeping Sun isn't really a great example for an analysis. Ghost Love Score would be much better.

[@TerranigmaQuintet]

But Ghost Love Score was also written for Tarja, so that portion of the argument does not hold water.

[@paulretzbach9583]

Not as technically sound as Tarja??? What the?

[@markbergson8029]

I know, right? It's strange to listen to someone saying it, specially when you're familiar with her two decades career in 4 completely different bands and dozens of features on many others.

[@jarodvermilyea3690]

@@markbergson8029 he's a music and voice teacher. Has been for many many years. I think he's knowledge of teaching kinda beats your knowledge of just knowing about the bands and stuff.

[@komulautre3811]

He means pure technique, not ability to sing. For example someone with very good technique in martial arts might not always be a better fighter than someone with less good technique (maybe idk tho I'm not a singer). I also like Floor better, but Tarja has much cleaner and consistent technique.

[@wtglb]

Excellent analysis though I prefer the 1st Tarja version of this song (1998).

[@natalijalaonar8187]

This is Tarjas song. Floor butchers it.

[@khalilqura150]

Tarja the best.... No tarja no nightwish.. Tarja make nightwish special style floor like any singer

[@khalilqura150]

@Hel Dracarys ♥️😍

[@raineypalmer525]

Great video, as usual. :)

[@ZachAnsley]

Thank you! I love you. :)

[@raineypalmer525]

I love you too! :)