Kyle hops in the new all wheel drive ID.4 to run the Out of Spec Hill Climb Challenge for the first time in an electric car! Let's see how the ID.4 can do. #VW #ID4 #EV
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@KyleConner2 жыл бұрын
The ID.4 isn’t intended to be an off-roading machine but its AWD system is designed to help in slippery situations. I have no question this system will help in slippery / snowy conditions and I would totally option it over the RWD car. For true overlanding though, probably not the most capable AWD system.
@francisj41112 жыл бұрын
Maybe with an OTA update, the AWD System will work better?
@nunolp90672 жыл бұрын
The problem is the tyres. Never do all terrain with ordinary tyres. Bad choice!
@megaroeny2 жыл бұрын
The Subaru Solterra is supposed to be good for this
@HydraliskX2 жыл бұрын
@@nunolp9067 There are plenty of reviews of crossovers with their stock tires that are significantly more capable than this particular ID.4. No, it's not what the ID.4 was designed for - but it's good to know what it's capable (or incapable) of from the factory.
@tommytfaa Жыл бұрын
@@nunolp9067 nah it was not sending power to the proper wheels
@brady7832 жыл бұрын
"Let's see if this car will do something it was never intended to do." This is proper motoring content. Keep it up! Most AWD passenger cars are for mild inclement conditions and can't transfer torque in real situations.
@MrComradebuttons Жыл бұрын
yes most awd is designed to increase grip ON road hence most have 3 open diffs, of road vehicles tend to inhibit performance ON road when using 4wd
@dutchdonjuan2 жыл бұрын
Wow another channel! You are really putting the work in and I'm loving the content!
@fisheye4212 күн бұрын
I appreciate this kind of test, just in case it’s ever needed. Also, at 1:05, props to the brave camera person standing their ground against the 5900 lb torque-vectored missile.
@eugeniustheodidactus88902 жыл бұрын
Want to see more this hill challenge ! You guys do a great job.
@brandenflasch2 жыл бұрын
Not bad for being way outside of the intended use
@jpch88142 жыл бұрын
I think it did great for summer tires, and honestly, I feel you're not the best off-road driver 😅😅. Thanks for the informative vid.
@russwscarrow23302 жыл бұрын
This channel is an AWESOME IDEA to push the limits on some EVs. Not a lot of overlanding out there yet... Love it!
@outofspecoverlanding96492 жыл бұрын
We will of course test electric cars but we don’t expect the majority of our coverage to be electric. Thanks for watching!
@russwscarrow23302 жыл бұрын
@@outofspecoverlanding9649 Fair Enough, not a ton of super-capable EVs yet. Thanks for so many creative and enthusiastic out of spec videos, keep it up!
@0hypnotoad02 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle just a suggestion here, in case you didn't do this - while some have proposed switching tires, obviously that's not really practical, but you might try airing down to a much lower tire pressure if you haven't already, it will improve the grip a fair bit and soften the ride.
@canyonero20502 жыл бұрын
You've been watching to many youtube videos. You dont "air down" low profile p rated car tires unless you wanna blown them out on the first pebble you drive over.
@0hypnotoad02 жыл бұрын
You can safely air them down 5-ish PSI below the stock tire pressures, which probably won't even be enough to trip the TPMS. It definitely does make a difference to the harness of the ride. I wasn't talking about running down them like mud tires, nice job with the presumptions, though!
@72afam2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Loved the test. Would love to see hill challenges with other SUV’s such as Telluride and Pilot.
@askebendtsen24732 жыл бұрын
Well, now you kind of need to do this with all the AWD EVs out there :D
@FthePump2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Nice vid!
@douglaspierce79402 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that this is the first EV that you have used on your hill challenge. - I have an ID.4 AWD on order, so it was interesting to see your results. From watching this video, I'm pretty sure that my 2018 Model X with All Season Tires would be able to handle at least "Phase 1" of your hill climb challenge. Thanks for the entertaining content.
@kalso692 жыл бұрын
everybody who've done off-road adventures knows that tires are very important, its your contact point to the ground. smaller wheel + meatier AT tires + low air pressure will do the trick IMO.
@spinmouth41142 жыл бұрын
Offroad chops are a must.
@chrissnow68892 жыл бұрын
These cars are not meant for the type to test you were doing but, I think the car would have done better with better all terrain tire and a bit more speed in your approach
@michaelcaudill5702 жыл бұрын
Best test to date. Now let's see the mach e all wheel drive do the same course
@kleeenco2 жыл бұрын
I am digging this new channel but also want to see some towing tests
@dearbulls2 жыл бұрын
When you sit on top of that rock maybe use some momentum you can clear the rock under rear wheel?
@zan54862 жыл бұрын
Thx for the great vid and I want to see how it does in winter conditions. The ID4 is my possible future EV and I'm a long time VW owner.
@peterjorgensen32 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Please do more EVs like this! Gas isn't really exciting anymore. Also I'm curious about how tough the battery tray is? I have a Niro EV and it drags the battery tray all through the dirt if I tried to do this kind of thing. I'm worried about damaging the battery on a rock? Subscribed! Keep up the good work!
@minivanmaster2 жыл бұрын
Nobody really talks about battery protection in EVs, I'm sure the Hummer is the only model that actually has full metal skid plates
@peterjorgensen32 жыл бұрын
@@minivanmaster Rivian has protection also, but I'm not sure what kind. The Wrangler Magneto and 4xe also have full skid plates. I'm waiting to see if the bz4x and solterra have anything like that...
@ejr5480 Жыл бұрын
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@GISJIng2 жыл бұрын
It could also be the tires that the issue not necessarily the AWD system
@ryanplitt71022 жыл бұрын
Will Kyle be brave enough to do this with his upcoming Taycan?
@ChicagoBob1232 жыл бұрын
is the HP and speed of the AWD worth the extra money. Also the pro vs pro s are the seats any different in comfort? The Pro S and First Addition seats are the same correct.
@asavage36542 жыл бұрын
If the vehicle can't get up the hill slowly, I would give it a try with some momentum to help get through the tricky sections.
@mistermister20852 жыл бұрын
The only problem with too much speed is the chance of breaking crap goes up exponentially.
@Aizman872 жыл бұрын
Are you gonna test the q4 on the same route? I know its basically the same car but the audi q4 has some other settings it can use here actually.
@johndoyle47232 жыл бұрын
OK, thanks for an entertaining video, but I doubt any ID4 owners will try this, but good to see how far it gets.
@mrtriathlondude2 жыл бұрын
Do you have plans to fit some sort of all-terrain tires to the cars you test on these hills? Stock tires are great for general reviews but I would love to see how cars like this perform with proper grip. As an ID.4 AWD reservation holder I'm planning on getting a separate set of tires for snowy and rocky mountain adventures.
@outofspecoverlanding96492 жыл бұрын
It’s unlikely we will be able to source tires for each vehicle we test on this stretch so this is unlikely
@mrtriathlondude2 жыл бұрын
@@outofspecoverlanding9649 Totally understandable, it would be a huge hassle with different tires and wheels for so many different cars. Glad to see the test regardless. Keep up the good work!
@xdrguy39462 жыл бұрын
It's a shame you can't install a set of proper all-terrain tires on the test car. The results might be quite improved. Anyway in the future all such testing should be done with stock all-season tires.
@0hypnotoad02 жыл бұрын
Same here, have an AWD pre-order and plan to just run around on Hankook Dynapro AT2 all year round. I think a 3% tire diameter size increase could help a fair bit with ground clearance and approach/departure angles as well, 3% would add nearly a half an inch of ground clearance without throwing off the speedo.
@scott89192 жыл бұрын
The whiny pedestrian warning sound makes it sound like a sad robot dog doing something against its will.
@MarcAndreGagnonnicemags2 жыл бұрын
Can you try in the future at the same place ioniq 5 and kia ev6 ?
@larzlarz70052 жыл бұрын
Did you try 2 feet driving to clamp the brakes harder? Or does it cut power when your foot is on the brakes?
@LucianPurcarea2 жыл бұрын
Any plans to do the same trail with a Tesla Model Y to see how it compares?
@JohnSeitz2 жыл бұрын
I believe it would void the warranty as Tesla doesn’t allow any off roading.
@oraclexz7 ай бұрын
Great testing. Would like to see the car with off-road tires and try again.
@hkad62522 жыл бұрын
Audi eTron next!
@slyguyaction2 жыл бұрын
Kinda glad the ID.4 Pro S w/Gradient I ordered is only RWD after watching this. Or, it may have a lot more to do with the tires. I'm wondering if the suspension can be upgraded along with a lift kit and more off-road worthy tires? Hmmm
@jasonbirch2 жыл бұрын
Heh, I'm enthusiastic for the arrival of my ID.4, but sad that it doesn't have a hand brake... Will Tanner or Mercedes be joining you for the look at the rally-prepped versions?
@cypvh742 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see how the Subaru Solterra does on this hill!
@GriffinMoores2 жыл бұрын
In 2023?
@cypvh742 жыл бұрын
@@GriffinMoores it’s supposed to be available mid 2022. Not sure how long it might take Kyle to get ahold one for testing.
@matthewedmonds87532 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling the Subaru will roll up this challenge without any slippage, even on stock tires. Their AWD is solid.
@matthewedmonds87532 жыл бұрын
I’m confused why the rear tires seemed to be doing nothing while the fronts were spinning. It’s almost as though “traction” mode shut off the rear motor. My Subaru would have had all four engaged while balancing the torque as slippage occurred. I have a ProS AWD on order because I seriously doubt Subaru will deliver the Solterra this year.
@markeggleton2981 Жыл бұрын
Would like to see the model y try the hill.
@RyneODonnell2 жыл бұрын
Can you do this course with an etron?
@JackEgeberg2 жыл бұрын
Please test the Jaguar I-pace 🙏🏼 It would be awesome to see how it would perform.
@alexhaddock45542 жыл бұрын
Yeah, even though coming to the end of my lease on mine its been an amazing car and whilst not off roadbed, have done some flooded road wading. Covid lockdowns killed a lot of my plans for the car but be great to see it do this track. Assume the Porsche Taycan CT will be on there soon too.
@andrewcooke80142 жыл бұрын
Would love to see your M3 do this test Kyle.
@20aegti36002 жыл бұрын
I’d prefer the euro GTX spec please and thank you. Overlanding in an ID.4. lol
@aticus212 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the r1t do this test.
@brianoldziewski75882 жыл бұрын
I noticed something some review channels misinterpret is the idea that turning off traction control provides more traction in off-roading. Turning off traction control on a trail *can* be good in certain situations with mud or sand where you need to power through without the car worrying about slippage. The rest of the time the traction control attempts to mimic a limited slip differential. It seemed like ESC Sport did worse, and I think that makes sense. The front wheel articulation is impressive (for what it is), the rear meh. The limited breaking capability to manage the wheel slip I think isn't a surprise considering the breaks wouldn't be particularly large or powerful with the expectation you're breaking with regen help. I'm very curious to see what the Subaru Solterra will do, in theory it should be designed for a trail like this.
@cedrikb71246 ай бұрын
The id4 (I have one) is the last car in the world I would use to do off-road. And what's the use with not using off-road tyres.
@richardmorton56692 жыл бұрын
We have a steep driveway. When it gets covered with snow do you thi k the ID.4 will make it up, and why do you think that?
@dearbulls2 жыл бұрын
I think your tire probably matters the most. The standard Bridgestone tire is not really a good winter tire.
@kens97sto1712 жыл бұрын
Definitely shows the limitations of brake based torque vectoring. Because it all comes down to the software programming. If they used a mechanical limited slip differential you would get better results. But I would imagine they probably hurt efficiency and add some complexity. Theoretically the brakes should be able to prevent that wheel spin and transfer the torque to the wheel that is not spinning. But they obviously didn't program it to handle that.
@rtfazeberdee35192 жыл бұрын
Maybe try an I-Pace out there
@allenpickett53072 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for you to get your hands on a cyber truck and do the hill climb
@Cowclops2 жыл бұрын
I do wanna see a mach-e and a model Y on these tests.
@cypvh742 жыл бұрын
With much lower ground clearance, I think they are gonna struggle to clear some of those rocks.
@whitewolf89432 жыл бұрын
Is it double glazed?Id4?
@andykphoto2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to hear about the rally cars, and HOW I CAN GET THE OZ RACING RALLY wheels 😅😸
@andykphoto2 жыл бұрын
Mainly because Both of the ID4s entered were rolling on the OZ racing wheels, and tire rack says the ID4 is too chonky/heavy for them… but rallying is NOT a low stress/impact environment… 🤷♂️
@cypvh742 жыл бұрын
Vehicles I hope you get to test for this: Rivian R1S Rivian R1T Ford F-150 Lightning Toyota RAV4 prime Volvo XC40/C40 Recharge Jaguar iPace
@carolfischer99352 жыл бұрын
I’d also like to see the Audi Q4 50 e-tron
@graham2890 Жыл бұрын
It would be fun to see a Mach E do the hill climb. Likely would fail miserably but it would be interesting.
@1kruxi2 жыл бұрын
Nice, Model Y next 👌
@mikaelpettersson59162 жыл бұрын
Well it almost got to the starting point! But it was not intended for this purpose. Lets see How other cars perform.
@EV.Furkan2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, can now show this if the ID.4 is capable any offroading
@ejr5480 Жыл бұрын
Hey Plug In Dude, Watt’s up? 🤪
@kingragnar4234 ай бұрын
You should do the 2023 and 2024 to see if there was any tweaking done
@drewsmith77262 жыл бұрын
I want to see the Subaru Soltera on that trail!
@nicholasgarber2 жыл бұрын
I would hate to be the one to crunch the battery pack over some terrain off-road...
@idocmirk2 жыл бұрын
It looks like different tires would make a huge difference.
@z1az2852 жыл бұрын
I am speaking from personal experience having owned a 2001 VW Passat GLX 4 Motion and a now a Subaru AWD Legacy. The VW 4 motion AWD was good but not perfect and while decent on curved slippery roads, was not effective on inclined surfaces. The Subaru AWD is superb in any situation and in my opinion superior to the Passat even without X mode. As far as tires are concerned I used the Michelin MXV4+ (16") in the Passat and now have cross climate 2 (18") which would account for some difference but I know for a fact the 4 Motion system was not effective on sloped roads in snow or slushy conditions.
@richardbergeron33512 жыл бұрын
Would the Audi Q4 Etron do better?
@ebidbay37112 жыл бұрын
It would be interested to see when you have off-road tires on the vehicle.
@Wised10002 жыл бұрын
Just as badly the fail is not a matter of traction its not being able to apportion torque from side to side. A decent AWD system brakes the spinning wheel an sends the torque to the other side. Utterly cheap.
@garyo6022 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure I want to chance bottoming out a Lithium Ion battery pack!
@GriffinMoores2 жыл бұрын
In the modified rally cars they put skid plates on 'em, but yeah, that'd freak me out a bit. Slow and steady...
@seanplace81922 жыл бұрын
Not very surprising that it couldn't do it, but interesting to see nonetheless.
@warartchesdavanijkul11562 жыл бұрын
It's obviously open differential. This car is not meant for rough terrain. Look at wheel spin on wheels in the air - the other wheel on the same axle that touches the ground just sat there not moving an inch. Because it's not moving, it's not a grip issue, therefore it's not a tire issue. Swapping tires won't make any different. This car won't go anywhere if you lose one wheel each axle. Not trying to discredit it's just the way it is. and this is coming from a person who has one reserved.
@louisAudet2 жыл бұрын
Not sure about those tires… Here up in Québec, I’m pretty sure i will have no problems in snow with the proper tires!
@schlickit628 Жыл бұрын
I think it would be interesting to do some of these EV off-road tests comparing identical cars with RWD and AWD. My suspicion is that the RWD could have made it just as far. In my opinion, tires and clearance are bigger factors than AWD.
@TheJasonaut2 жыл бұрын
Overlanding?? …oh, looked it up. I’ve never heard of that until now.
@akejohansson28602 жыл бұрын
Off roading is mostly about tyres and technique... But hey i only drive a Duster😊👍
@matthewhayosh9110 Жыл бұрын
I think the ID 4, could actually do better if you're climbing at a bit of more speed. with very little power it's definitely going to be hard to climb especially with rocks and such. I personally have the all-wheel drive and have been impressed with it but I don't plan on driving it up a steep road with rocks unless for some reason I have to. I agree that it'll definitely be good in snow and I plan on driving it in mountains.
@Cowclops2 жыл бұрын
Coming up as 360p, still processing?
@Scott-sm9nm2 жыл бұрын
Same for me right now and your post says "1 hour ago".
@outofspecoverlanding96492 жыл бұрын
KZbin is slow with video processing on new channels
@Cowclops2 жыл бұрын
4k now and goooooooooooooooooooooood to go. The off roading prowess is maybe a touch disappointing (or at least, not a pleasant surprise) but this isn't going to affect me in any sort of real world driving scenario.
@hotrodharmon2 жыл бұрын
You have to put different tires to do off roading.
@underdog88962 жыл бұрын
Maybe VW needs to adjust their settings. I believe the rear motor is capable enough.
@MsKewi-NYC2 жыл бұрын
Good video Kyle per usual. I watched Driving Sports TV with Ryan Douthit driving a rwd model ID.4 Idk if it was experience bravery or willingness to roll the dice but his test experience with a 1st edition performed but than this test. I'm still waiting for a turning radius vs. battle between awd vs. rwd model however rwd might be all I need. Here's the video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gV60ZqJva9mmpas All fairness he was on more rocks/dirt at one point than straight few rocks/dirt/ sand like you were which would be up my alley.
@melondeau66462 жыл бұрын
love this test!!! shows what the car is capable of.......i would like to see if tesla Y can do it.
@rkgsd2 жыл бұрын
I think Toyota's all wheel drive system in the RAV4 Prime would've been able to handle the test better. Granted neither is designed to be a Jeep.
@cleanupordie2 жыл бұрын
You probably would have made it at 12:34 if you hadn't let off the gas. Without real diff locks, the electronic diff locks can take some time calculating what you want to do. With your on/off driving style it doesn't work. Also, those tires are not helping.
@rudysche2 жыл бұрын
Honnestly I am convinced that i can do the exercise with a 30 year old citroen 2 cv i i don’t understand that they don’t foresee a simple 4*4 traction on all the wheels for tricky situations of course it’s not made for rocky hill climbing that’s stupid but I am not convinced how it will behave on ice and mud it’s clearly not an Audi Quattro
@constantinnescu15642 жыл бұрын
It is more a tires batle than vehicles.
@UweNielbock2 жыл бұрын
hoffentlich war das sein eigenes Auto
@delcosspdfreek2 жыл бұрын
AWD is not 4WD but the Ford Lightning might do better with the offroad stuff.
@cavemankiwi2 жыл бұрын
You have to define 4WD and AWD. It seems there is no agreed definition. If I use the definition of the words, for a 4 wheeled vehicle they are the same. So what is the definition. For example 4WD may mean. Low range transfer case (not relevant for EV). Center locking diff or no center diff (not relevant for EV). Other locking diffs front or rear. What about LSD is that suffient to be called 4WD?
@vasjaxx7863Ай бұрын
Just VW technology... LOL
@christianocampos1582 жыл бұрын
I Think the Subaru Solterra/BzX4 could do it
@bluebear65702 жыл бұрын
The ID.4 is definitevely not an off-roader, especially with the kind of tires you had on it!
@allenpickett53072 жыл бұрын
Get a running start a bit
@mk2mike2 жыл бұрын
In 2021/2022… how are AWD systems still this horrible? I have a lifted MK4 golf FWD with LSD and it makes it through things many new AWD cars get stuck in… it’s pathetic.
@ilopi82272 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review . I can finally choose not to get this car. As the awd was my intention. EVs maybe not there yet.
@joobaggs68862 жыл бұрын
Rivian or hummer if you want to rock crawl lol
@chasski48652 жыл бұрын
Also bring another $40k for that rock crawler.
@EM_BER_W2 жыл бұрын
This isn't the right way to do it. ESC has to be on, so the ESC System can handle the traction. On this way you only will have wheelspin, like the way you grab the car into a hole... The tires either way, this are efficiency tires for low friction... you have to think about the physics in this case. Low friction and now traction control with a car of 2 tons...
@dowhill19562 жыл бұрын
The VW sounds like it is Crying the whole time!
@g.30462 жыл бұрын
Not a TRUE test since there was no other vehicle comparison under the same exact conditions! I would like to see the EXACT conditions you did for the VW ID.4 against, for example, Subaru Forester, Land Rover Defender, Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, whatever. As a Computer Software Tester, your test is what we call - a test to fail. Need comparisons! Also, I’m betting that 99.98% of the people who buy an VW ID.4 are not buying the vehicle to “pass” The Out of Spec Hill Climb Challenge!
@johnnyzee383 Жыл бұрын
Its acting like an open end differential..it is not putting power to the wheel that has the MOST grip but putting the power to the wheel/wheels that have the least. Quite dissapointing!
@iLikeTigerz1012 жыл бұрын
I’m telling you right now that people who buy the awd id4 are not even going to do half of what you did.
@straight_intro2 жыл бұрын
Another approvement that crossovers are not supposed to be out of the road 👎
@stefan279611 ай бұрын
The whole ID serie is way too expensive! VW macht alles kaput!
@giuseppevaccaro19342 жыл бұрын
It's not build for off road, these tests are not good