Volvo EX90 vs Tesla Model Y | Best 7-Seat Electric SUV?

[@benjaminsmith2287]

How does the Model Y have a price tag close to Volvo's flagship sedan? It's $78,000 to over $90,000 for the EX90. And the Model Y is not really a 7 seater either. These cars aren't in the same category. The EX90, at least in price, is between the Model Y and Model X. These car that would be more comparable to the Y is Volvo's EX60, that's yet to come out. The Volvo is comparable to the Mercedes EQS SUV since that is more a 7 seater than an occasional one (most Ys aren't used as 7 seaters. Model Y is not a flagship, the Model X is and that's my biggest complaint about this comparison.

[@braaitongs]

I am not sure I would put these in the same class. I think the volvo is more in the class of the R1S. To me the model y is more like a hatch back than a SUV.

[@SmartMart1658]

The Volvo EX90 should be compared with the Model X not the Y.

[@OweEyeSea]

I love Tesla's technology, but it's quite laughable what they consider an SUV. The Model Y is just a slightly taller sedan. I like most of the content on this channel, but this review seemed designed from the start to give Tesla the win. If I'm looking for an SUV, I'm interested in towing, passenger space, and contiguous cargo space. I don't care much about assisted driving, charging, performance, and efficiency. I'll care about range only if the difference is significant. Total cargo space is great if you're talking about luggage or groceries, but the frunk isn't super helpful when I'm bringing bigger stuff home from IKEA or Home Depot. The Y's third row is a joke. Sorry, but the Tesla "SUVs" are worthless to me even if they were $20k. I've been hoping to replace my gas guzzling Navigator with the Cybertruck I've reserved, but may have to act sooner. The EX90, from what you've shown, looks like a real electric SUV. And not a sedan that's being called an SUV. So thank you for the review, even if it seemed biased.

[@joejesus9902]

I love the head to head comparisons

[@Cleanerwatt]

Thank you!

[@scepticalcarols]

I'm with you on seat coverings. I have cloth seat covers on cloth seats. Never ever experienced a sweaty hot seat, so the idea of essential to have ventilated seats is a bit strange to me.

[@jeffmoberley550]

I do enjoy the head to heads but I'd love hear more from your 4680 sources about what's going on with this battery ramp up and changes coming down the line. Those are the videos I enjoy the most.

[@MatrixJockey]

I’m sure he shares sources with Jordan from the Limiting Factor

[@mhill2468]

3:38 fabric seating doesn’t get scalding hot 🥵 nor freezing cold 🥶 , so I definitely think those are upsides to fabric seats

[@Cleanerwatt]

Great point!

[@rhuynh]

Great job on this video breaking down a complex comparison very well!

[@Spoolingturbski]

This comparison is pretty ridiculous. The Volvo EX90 is a superior car to the Tesla model Y. The Model X should be compared and then when price is accounted for the comparison is how much you get with Volvo vs. Tesla. Also Tesla just slashed their prices by 10k

[@TheCameltotem]

Volvo is by far better quality. Interior is of higher quality, sound isolation, air dampers etc. Tesla is a rocketship but it really lacks any premium quality interior, exterior and ride quality.

[@khoapho812]

I agree. With Tesla you are paying mostly for the insane acceleration and the network charging stations.

[@radicalradzik]

Great Analysis and data-based comparisons. Thanks Jon!

[@ckramer8507]

What about the center arm rest hiding the cupholders? Lift it up and it covers part of the display.

[@kitlai768]

You’ve got the width of the EX90 wrong. Without mirrors it’s 1,964mm & 2,113 with.

[@djnavari]

The only problem is this is all promises from Volvo and that is just an animation so it will be interesting to see this video updated when they actually release a vehicle.

[@jameshoffman552]

7:59 I wonder why the 20-inch wheels are much more restrictive of towing with passenger loads.

[@Cleanerwatt]

It does seem a bit odd.

[@cptobvious8428]

You fell into the same trap as most car reviewers which is disappointing considering you cover a lot of tech. Primarily you did not compare computer hardware and software, driver assist features, charging network and residual value.

[@danharold3087]

The car is arguably too far out to make the comparisons made. Both Tesla and NVIDIA will have newer version of self driving out about then. Does the Volvo get the new for 2024 or the old NVIDA hardware. We will have to wait a year or more to see.

[@cirnemn]

I have owned many Volvos and would love to have another. I have a model Y. Two challenges for Volvo, 1 charging Network (for now, but it may be Tesla charging will be available to other soon) 2 full self-driving will not be available for many years to come unless of course they buy it from Tesla

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

The Main question is whether Volvo can make money selling it and can they manufacture it in numbers of scale.

[@alittleofthisnthat5665]

Good video, the only discrepancy I see is the vehicle weight between the Y and the XC90 with the range and efficiency as the xc90 is a larger vehicle that probably weights more so this category may be a draw

[@helpuafighters3127]

Haha, it’s like comparing sports hatch VW GTI and Porsche 911 Turbo S because both related to VW Holding

[@jdty247]

Great comparison. I think it's a great looking car from the outside. I'm very surprised about its pricing especially given the size of the battery, trims, tech (lidars, sensors, chips) and size of this vehicle. $80k sounds a compelling offer for what you can get. But this is the first fully electric Volvos so I would probably wait for Gen 2/3 before buying one. If I'm in the market for a 7 seater, I'd still get a Model Y.

[@cirnemn]

Xc40 recharge is volvo's test bed.

[@khoapho812]

The Model Y is too small of a car to be a true 7 seater SUV!

[@cptobvious8428]

And where will Tesla be in 2024 when this vehicle is delivered?

[@danharold3087]

I don't want to be too critical as people want to see these comparisons. For all anyone knows it could be spot on. The Tesla will be improved by 2024. The Volvo may too. Tesla significantly raised prices while cutting production cost. If Tesla opted to it could lower prices significantly. Chances are when the Volvo is available in numbers the cost will be up. We see it on other EVs.

[@richardmorin4518]

Love your comparisons. Fact and numbers based. Great job. Keep it up.

[@XLoaferY]

the Volvo has an estimated range of 600km (372 miles) according to Volvo

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗👍😎 THANKS JON ,A GREAT COMPARISON FOR MANY 💚💚💚

[@EnlightenedSavage]

Model y is a cross over not a suv

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Technically so is the Volvo. But the Model Y is like a really tall Model 3 and the Volvo is more like a tall wagon.

[@danielhull9079]

I go with Volvo because of the highest level ASIL D.

[@truhartwood3170]

Tesla will be miles ahead in self-driving safety by the time the EX90 comes out. Other companies are taking an approach that let's you do more basic things really quickly but has a very low ceiling limiting how good it can get or what it can ultimately be capable of. Tesla has no such ceiling with their approach, though it's slower and harder initially. If you've done any sport, you'll understand the techniques beginners use get you results very quickly, but you will never be able to get to a high level. The techniques top professionals use are way harder to master initially, and at first you're way worse when you try using these techniques. But when you do master those techniques you will beat the pants off anyone who hasn't mastered them. Tesla is taking the approach that will lead to being the top performer, whereas everyone else is working on beginner techniques that will never ever get them there no matter how much time or money they throw at it.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@truhartwood3170 Volvo isn't sitting still. Of course Tesla will move forward but so will Volvo. And Volvo/Polestar may be best of legacy autos at OTA updates. I also wouldn't be so confident that Tesla will lead in all categories over everyone as time goes on. I think Tesla is fine with its strengths and should work on its weaknesses, and that is getting the "car" part down more. That'll take time as they haven't been making cars for that long. Same thing with Lucid and Rivian but Tesla has been making cars longer that those two.

[@truhartwood3170]

@@benjaminsmith2287 what I see is Tesla moving faster than everyone else. So over the short term (5 years or so) their lead will grow before the law of diminishing returns catches up to them and other companies (the ones that still exist anyway) can start closing the gap over the subsequent five or so years. So I picture Tesla being in the lead for about 10 years based on what I'm seeing now.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@truhartwood3170 There are certain things Tesla isn't ahead at, though. Now, Kia and Hyundai beat Tesla at charging speeds. Lexus/Toyota have a far better implementation of the yoke from what is being reported by test drivers. Lucid, at least in number if not efficiency, has the highest range. So many have beaten Tesla to getting an EV truck out and Rivian has a true off-roader. Tesla has the production thing ahead but others will use megacastings as soon as 2 years from now. And if going against China, is BYD rather competitive? Maybe? Volvo isn't really trying to compete with Tesla and neither is Polestar. Polestar is trying to compete with Porsche and Volvo with BMW/Mercedes/Audi and still offer a bit of a lower price. They're trying to go all BEV on a time schedule. But they want to sell way less than Tesla says they want to sell. I think there are multiple scenarios for growth but the best thing for Tesla, IMO, is to refine the cars that they make now. They're doing some of that with tweaking the suspension and such but it takes a few generations to really get refinement down. Ride/handling compromise, body solidity, chassis rigidity, braking, things like that, fundamental car qualities beyond just quick steering and roadholding (like roadholding over broken and bumpy pavement) take a lot of work to get fluid. This is where the Germans do best but Volvo/Polestar do pretty well too.

[@truhartwood3170]

@@benjaminsmith2287 you only mentioned ASIL-D so that's all my comment was addressing. I agree with everything in your last post.

[@-COMMON-MAN]

Well done

[@nirvaanreddy1308]

Volvo’s are the best.

[@1winlock]

I agree

[@hedleypepper1838]

I think a faire comparison should be with the model x as size matters, that said all three Y X and volvo are all we out of most peoples price range so it's all mute

[@XLoaferY]

*moot :) X vs EX90 is indeed a reasonable comparison.

[@groovekay3858]

The only reason someone should consider an electric car is charging network and technology (software)…until someone actually beat Tesla in all category I’m not considering any other brand. All other stuffs are nitpicking and preferences

[@jamesdubben3687]

Cloth, cloth, cloth. ...and vented. Thanks great overview and comparison.

[@serafinkote1721]

you play judge! you are a bad tesla fan…

[@patrickcoreilly]

JohnJon@ didn't work for me. Lol jk

[@mumblinge5892]

Assisted driving technology goes to Tesla? LOL!!!

[@danharold3087]

Unless one has a crystal ball to look at these products in 2024 what exists by then is a who knows. Doubly so for the assisted driving tech.

[@mumblinge5892]

@@danharold3087 Well said which causes me to think this particular video was a waste of my time.

[@vermontsownboy6957]

Bi-directional charging is a huge draw, but Tesla tech appears clearly superior.

[@XLoaferY]

disagree, what makes it better in your opinion?

[@AndrewSienx]

You compare the existing car to the marketing blah-blah of the vehicle, which cant be bought in any visible numbers for at least 2 years. We don't know Model Y's performance in 2 years - especially batteries and driving assist systems. Obviously, it will be much better than now, and Volvo has to rise to the standard of Model Y from 2024, not 2022. The price in 2-3 years are an enigma. It looks like Model Y is getting highly optimized for production, and there will be at least 4 factories and huge production number in 2-3 years, like 2 m. So, it will fall in price. But Volvo XC90 is costly to build due to low numbers, more variants, crazy sensor suite, and a lot of licences to pay. So, it will be priced more like Model X. About 7 seaters. Model Y is a 5+2 car - not genuineal 7-seater. Model X and XC90 are. MX is a more performance car with wing-doors, Plaid, but also more space, so it should be more expensive than XC90, but still, these are cars to compare (as you partly do).

[@mavi57]

You are biassed and comparing apples and pears.

[@Cross-xm2fr]

Volvo is super inefficient and heavy, cuz of the legacy platform, 1000 lb more than a model x jfc.

[@sylvainlaurin1012]

What is the carbon footprint of the EX90 made in China ? Remember that the carbon footprint of the smaller Polestar 2 is 25 tons of CO2 !!! Incredible !!!

[@benjaminsmith2287]

The EX90 will be primarily made in South Carolina, USA.

[@danharold3087]

@@benjaminsmith2287 I think the design is more important than where it is made.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@danharold3087 Absolutely. It was designed and engineered in Sweden. But this is a newer design than the Polestar 2 and isn't shared with an ICE platform so it should be improved hopefully.

[@serafinkote1721]

Gothenburg is not in China

[@serafinkote1721]

How about Tesla (China)!

[@JohnSmith-ug5ci]

Another grossly overpriced EV.

[@gargamelandrudmila8078]

No Chinese brands for me thanks. Volvo does not exist anymore.

[@serafinkote1721]

Volvocars is developed and engineered in Gothenburg, where 25,000 highly qualified, very talented employees work, most of them engineers. The factories in Sweden, China or the USA have nothing to do with the development of Volvo. I-phone and Tesla for that matter are produced in China but they are not developed there.

[@gargamelandrudmila8078]

@@serafinkote1721 who owns Volvo 😒😕

[@serafinkote1721]

@@gargamelandrudmila8078 the greatest asset of a company like volvo is its employees and you cannot own them. without these employees, the company is an empty shell. The Chinese know that, that's why they don't touch Volvo and don't intend to move it to China.

[@gargamelandrudmila8078]

@@serafinkote1721 the UK has the same thinking.....net-net it has been a terrible decision. The cloud you talk about will hang over Volvo workers.

[@bantumorpheus4496]

Excellent comparison, Jon. But by 2024 so much will likely improve with all Tesla's at the rate they are going today I just don't see how this Volvo will be able to compete. Also by then, Lidar may likely be obsolete and $80k will also likely be extremely over-priced for any EV, even with the nice features this Volvo offers. Volvo has always been a very safe but over-priced car in general, but with all the Chinese and Korean Models currently available and the future models, I'm afraid most consumers will find it nearly impossible to consider buying a Volvo this expensive by 2024. The economics just don't seem doable by 2024, a full 2 years from now(?)

[@khoapho812]

For the consumers who wants the Scandinavian and minimalist design they will pick a Volvo. No car maker offer that. Also, the Korean and Chinese models design may look decent in present, they just dont have the elegance and timeless design like a Volvo.