VW ID3 1st Max range test

[@seb.]

ID.3 is so smart, it even took inspiration from Tesla fantom brakes and added phantom speed signs 😂

[@javieroargubi]

*phantom

[@Soordhin]

The windscreen is officially not noise insulated, it is thermally insulated instead. So it is about temperature instead of noise.

[@Channy132]

You would think a big car company like VW could figure out how to make it do both

[@se60318]

That is not correct! The windshield in combination with the head up display is noise isolated. It is less noisy

[@AhmedSam]

I don’t know why but now every time i open your vids i say „yo, wats up!“ then i wait for you to say it.

[@eagerv]

Thanks Bjorn, great vid as usual. I have an ID.3 for the last week and love it so far, Haven't had the phantom slowing up yet, but noticed it a lot on my last car which sometimes used to pick up the speed sign from a side road, especially if the road was at an angle and you could clearly see the reduced speed limit sign yourself. In Ireland the base is €7K cheaper than the Plus which is €7K cheaper than the Max. The Base ID.3 I think is great value at just over €33K, €4K cheaper than an Ioniq and over €7K cheaper than a Kona. It's about the same price as a fairly basic new Golf Diesel with 120HP.

[@carlomorischi3435]

Bjorn, your tests are amazing

[@mistermister2085]

No BS from Bjorn. Just gives us the facts. Not trying to sell us crap.

[@NeilBlanchard]

I like the *look* of the 20" wheels, I have to say.

[@alexklemme]

Very interesting. I‘ve ordered the 1st. Max.

[@nlzaaf]

And I’ve ordered the 2nd. 🤓😉

[@ItsOnlyElectric]

Great test. The consumption is not about rim size, it's only about weight and width of the tyre (if the rims have similar aerodynamic design). So in this case the tyres has the same width and probably a similar total wheel weight which makes the difference ignicificant. Your test just proofs that. 👍👍

[@tbnzet]

Yes, and even weight almost doesn't matter at a constant speed. See e.g. Bjørn's test of the Model S with lightweight 19" rims that have higher consumption than the heavier 19" slipstream rims.

[@catalicos]

So, basically, wider wheels increase the consumption because of the bigger rolling resistance. But since they've put the same width tires on all 3 specs, with just a shorter profile, it will impact comfort in suspension and probably noise. To me, the 19" on the Plus look and feel the best. I've gone and test driven the Plus and really I thought it had the 18" wheels on it, just by ride comfort. Looking forward to all results. Thanks!

[@7spower998]

6:50 Bjørn, the 20 in wheels are noisier because they are riding on 45 series tires vs 18 in 55 series tires. The 45 series tires are much shorter on the sidewall and therefore transmit more road noise and less comfort. 11:34 The 55 series tires which have taller sidewall and therefore transmit less road noise and gives greater comfort. There's more cushion where the rubber meets the road

[@nakfan]

"This is too advanced - I want to go back to the base model" 😂

[@Perkelenaattori]

Base models are underrated. An EV-version of a 1983 Ford Sierra would be my ideal car.

[@andreastattarisuo1034]

Like the Dacia slogan: Doesn't have it, can't break.

[@whuzzzup]

@@Perkelenaattori Dying in some ancient car that lack lots of important safety features? Genius.

[@atvarsgr]

This is "Tour Assistant" that is activated and works in paar with cruise control. It uses map data (not evrywere map data are up to date), reads road signs, decreases speed way before sharp turns, roundabouts, speed limit areas. I have such feature in my Q7, but it shows on HUD, what it will do, and I usualy override it easily way before car starts doing something. But this helps you get really good milage, on Q7 3.0TDI you usally get like 5-6l/100km. Car drives very effiecently.

[@Egg-mr7np]

'I want my money back' - Bjorn Nyland, 2020

[@typhoon320i]

4:49 the wind sock before the bridge is a good idea. I have never seen that in the US.

[@fordgrunt351]

Love the ID.3 in this colour. Look forward to a future of performance all-wheel drive EV hot hatches from VW, Audi and Mercedes 👍🏻

[@SiisKolkytEuroo]

Ever heard of Tesla

[@fordgrunt351]

SiisKolkytEuroo Yes! I own a Tesla Model S P100D. Tesla are not obviously known for hot hatches as they have never built one - but who knows maybe the yet to be unveiled $USD 25K will resemble one in a performance format.

[@tbnzet]

Thanks for doing this test Bjørn. Good to have verified that rim size has very little effect on the consumption, as long as the rims are designed aerodynamically efficient and wheels/tires are not wider. Then it's just up to personal preference of looks and comfort.

[@seb.]

4:30 : 80kg weight difference, I guess the bigger rims come into play too

[@kasmopaya2676]

Almost Model 3 Performance weight, insane...

[@bjornnyland]

Panorama roof weighs a lot.

[@seb.]

@@bjornnyland (it doesn't open right?) didn't Elon say glass is lighter than steel?

[@Nausal]

Hej Bjørn, I'm getting a ID3 Max version with the 19 inch in November, it's only the 1st edition that gets 20 inch as standard, mine will be normal production, and originally has 18 inch but I upgraded to 19 for the looks. If you want I can show you my sales note Also I live in Frederikshavn, Short boat trip from Norway, if you haven't already tested the 19 inch or the 18 inch winter wheels I also ordered, you're welcome to try, if you're up for a trip to Denmark :)

[@TA-uj7ez]

you bought a brand new one? Sounds expensive. Do people in ur country buy new cars? Im from the Netherlands. People usuallu buy 3 year old cars. It gets cheaper with atleast 10 thousand euro's.

[@Nausal]

@@TA-uj7ez can't get a used ID3 Max :)

[@TA-uj7ez]

@@Nausal you can. Demo models at showrooms are being sold aswel. .They have been used a bit but are cheaper

[@Nausal]

@@TA-uj7ez not yet, there's a huge backorder

[@nuduakj]

@@TA-uj7ez All those 3 year old cars has to be bought by someone originally ;)

[@bobedibob3084]

i have seen many of these on the road cool that norway is first

[@Ronin585]

For the same price as this version, you have the 77 kWh VW ID.3 Tour with 130 km more autonomy. With the same equipment, without the 20 "wheels and the panoramic roof ... and also that it is a 4-seater, something that in my case is irrelevant.

[@jakobherbert1]

Hi Bjørn. Thanks for your good videos. On this, I would like to state that then conclusion on then tire size could be more sharp. On the ID3 the tire are both 215, both for the 18” and 20” so then air resistance of the wheel is the same. On the Taycan it goes from 225 to 245, and that increases by 20mm on all 4 wheels and thereby results in a higher consumption. Hight of the rubber is giving the better feel and less sideway movements in curves. Again, thanks for your great videos. Looking forward to see the ID 4 and Skoda Enyaq tests, as they are most appealing to me.

[@RichardSingleton0318]

Manufacturers, if Bjørn isn't at the top of your list for testing your cars in real life, pragmatic ways...you are using the wrong list. You need to get a list with a better sheeeeet!!! 😀😀😀 Thank you, Bjørn for your growing corpus of GS!!! ...Like a ninja!!!

[@Matrixu]

The problem with Taycan is that once you get a bigger wheel you also get a wider tire 225 vs 245. Hence it has a larger contact with road and more friction. ID3 has the same size for 18 and 20: 215. So i expect almost no difference

[@tbnzet]

Yes, and wider tires also create more aerodynamic drag.

[@mrjoe12345]

4:33 Why does the Max have the net battery capacity noted whereas its the gross capacity for the base model?

[@tkermi]

That must be by accident. It's the same battery.

[@mrjoe12345]

@@tkermi Yeah, think so too. Hope Bjørn will change it in the Google sheet at least.

[@mrjoe12345]

This is also an opportunity for me to point out that rear wheel size on 90km/h summer range test is off for the MG and the DS.

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@mrjoe12345 Do we have a range test of the Model 3 SR + for 120km/h? I only find the 90km/h result. We need that also for the comparison with the new Model 3 SR+ with CATL Battery.

[@mrjoe12345]

@@kasmopaya2676 Here’s the SR+ range test video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/faHZmGWcbK2sh9U Bjørn did in fact not test the range at 120km/h in this video. Don’t know why he didn’t do a high speed test. CATL batteries are only used in the made in China model 3s which are currently only sold in China. I think I read something on made in China Model 3s potentially being sold in other countries in the future. Don’t remember the details though.

[@Ronin585]

The 18 ", 19" and 20 "rims have the same width, which are ... 215. The only thing that varies on them is the profile of the tire. The range will be practically the same.

[@colinvos7304]

I like how the front axle only weighs around as much as my whole car weighs.

[@toninocars]

Never buy wheels for the look especially if you drive a lot. Wheel and tyres are very important for safety and comfort therefore choose the option that is best for the car and you., 18 “ perfect 👌

[@WonkoTheSaneUK]

Pity they only offered the middle "Plus" trim to the UK.

[@scottwills4698]

That’s only on the First models. When the normal car gets released there are about 7 models to choose from.

[@kiprasmilaknis5725]

Just saw an ID3 on the street today (in Lithuania). I like it's design, but the software seems consumer unfriendly and the the price, in my opinion, is to high. It should be between 30,000 and 45,000 eur. In Lithuania ID 3 MAX 1st costs 51,910 eur. If I were to buy a car now, out of all EVs under 45,000 I would most likely go for IONIQ. It lacks a bit in design, but it has everything else I need and want from a car and EV.

[@rodrigoramirez5387]

Kipras Milaknis why not a tesla?

[@walidelrefai7745]

Keep the videos coming!

[@CFG39]

I really want to see the 77kWh version tested. Regarding resetting the trip computer, I’m really surprised there’s not a way to do it in the gauge cluster like there is in every other VW. Typically you can swipe through different trip settings on the steering wheel buttons, then click and hold the center “OK” button. I’m also a little disappointed in the ID.3 efficiency. 210wh/km is worse than a Model 3 Performance with 20” wheels and even wider 235/35R20 Pilot Sport 4S tires. I am shocked a vehicle so much less powerful, lighter, and running aero-focused wheels and using somewhat eco-focused tires is only capable of 210wh/km. That translates to 338wh/mi which is as bad as I see in my Model 3 Performance in winter going that fast. I typically average 290-310wh/mi (180-195wh/km) at 75mph (121km/h) in normal dry weather.

[@izpodpolja]

There is no shock really if you consider the difference in drag coefficient (& cross-section area). To overcome aerodynamical drag it needs ~25,7Wh/km more than M3 (@120km/h that is)

[@tons4759]

Another great video!! Wish America was as advance with electric vehicles as Norway. VW lost all my trust a couple years ago.ill never trust them again!

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Let´s talk about the most important function of a wheel.... Looks! :) And if it does not effect the efficiency - the better

[@mrjoe12345]

3:31 I guess it’s always a white car with the 20‘‘ wheels. It’s also what it showed on the base model. It would be way cooler to have the image show the actual car you own, like Tesla does!

[@Gresteh]

Has tesla shown the actual car from the begining or they used to have a standard color and then they updated the UI to show the actual color?

[@mrjoe12345]

@@Gresteh tbh, i don’t know. I just think it’s way better to show the actual car on the screen.

[@Gresteh]

@@mrjoe12345 Yeah, i agree, but at the same time is not really that important... but since the car can be updated via OTA i guess they could fix that if they want to, but i doubt they will as it's not really that big of an issue.

[@mrjoe12345]

@@Gresteh Looked at some early videos on Teslas and the screen does show the correct color and wheels. Still, I don’t know whether it has always been that way.

[@bjornnyland]

Tesla got it right from the start (2013): kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4uxnXpqi5mDopo

[@alexhulley7495]

That buggy cruise control is enough to stop me wanting to get the ID3, at least you can override the speed throttling... hopefully it's fixed by the time my lease comes up for renewal!

[@standardrangefremont]

Alles Gut ! ☝🏼👍🏼😄

[@soundworks52]

Have you tried slipstreaming behind a Fernbus or LKW? I don't see many of them on the roads in your videos but in Germany the Autobahns are full of these larger vehicles. With Adapative Cruise Control you could could travel at near 100km for hundreds of kilometres behind these and consumption goes down dramatically. If slipstreaming behind a truck at 130w/km then you'd beat the range at 90km suggested by ABRP and close the gap in journey time at 120km because you wouldn't be stopping at charging stations every 160 kilometers. My range in a Zoe which performs very poorly at high speeds improves considerably when tailing a big lorry. I don't mind tailing one as long as they have mudflaps which cover the rear wheels. It'd be easier to tail a truck in a car which has Adaptive Cruise Control like the e208 which I've ordered based mainly on the experiences you had with it while testing. Thanks.

[@bjornnyland]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4LZn3ippJmgi6M

[@soundworks52]

@@bjornnyland OK. Mea Culpa. 130Wh/KM. How about your observations on slipstreaming(observing the 2 second rule)?

[@soundworks52]

I decided to try for myself. Slipstreaming behind an Articulated Truck I was seeing 10.4kWh/100km at 88kmph. I observed the 2 second safety distance guidance. Without anything in front the consumption at the same speed was 3.3kWh/100km higher. I tested over 40km outbound and the same back again at about 19 degrees in dry conditions. By adding some slipstreaming to a trip I am confident I can travel 300KM in a Zoe ZE40 faster than if I were to stop for a charge at 22KW. That's enough to get to Cologne or Munich from where I am. Slow and boring but still faster than stopping at a charging station.

[@jukkapulkkinen3400]

You can uncheck the ”obey speed limits” etc. in the ACC settings. Then car won’t change speed automatically

[@SHMEFFREYSHMEPSTEIN]

gotta keep in mind these car reviewers are boomers they’re not gonna actually look at what the car does they’ll just drive in it and complain if they can’t figure out a certain setting

[@mauriceschoenen]

What do you think about the black plastic hood in front of the windscreen? Has it any real aerodynamic function? I like the general design of the car, but that just looks ugly IMO.

[@piciu256]

It makes the bonnet visually shorter and hides the windscreen washers from the wind, probably reduces resistance by a bit.

[@Fochest0r]

On a side note: finally not the volvo ads anymore

[@Rostinhi]

I love these vids. But would also apreciate a little about how you like the car etc. Not only consumption and effienct 😊 Just a request from a happy camper 👍🏻

[@mrjoe12345]

I guess we’ll get some of that in the interior and space review. Really looking forward to that video!

[@tkermi]

The car is great but those stickers beside the back windows make the car seem cheap 😒. They look better with white car though.

[@mrjoe12345]

Totally agree!

[@Gresteh]

The stickers look nice in the dark grey and white cars, not so much in the turquoise one... for the series version is an option (and a expensive one, about 500€)

[@tkermi]

@@Gresteh Yeah. I haven't seen the ID.3 live, only from photos and videos so hard to say exactly what I think. But I certainly would not pay 500€ for them 😂.

[@mrjoe12345]

@@Gresteh I would absolutely never get that.

[@troelens]

Hey Bjorn, I noticed in your video's about the ID3 that the drivers seat has a "airbag" sticker on the right side of the drivers chair. When I checked the VW configurator the car appartenly has 'side airbags, curtain airbags AND central airbag'. Did you know that? I think its to do with the newest Euro NCAP crash tests, the new Toyota Yaris was the first car tested with the central airbag between the 2 front passengers.

[@johnkeepin7527]

Interesting as ever! Speed limit sign recognition/in car displays seem to be a bit, err, unreliable. Similar in my Toyota car - but there are lots of problems with badly positioned signs, signs obscured by vegetation etc on roads I use. Even displayed signs on the back of trucks in front are sometimes a problem. With regard to the tyres used, a quick browse suggests that Michelin PS4 at that size are not good for rolling resistance - grade E, by the look of it. Some all-season, or at least Summer only brands can get down to grade A (e.g. Continental eco contact), or at least B. It’s roughly 3 or 4% difference in energy loss between grades. Obviously more important at lower speeds, compared with higher speeds when air resistance is more relevant.

[@MonacoPoker]

Like a ninja !

[@nordishbynature268]

Yo, whats up? Doing a great job! By the way, do you know the German expression "Denglisch"? It means lots of english words used mostly inproperly while speaking german. But you have a kind of opposit, love that shit 😉🤗👍

[@realironis9700]

If I understand correctly, if the camera doesn't detect a sign, it will use the maps data. If that road has been 90 max for a while, the car will think it's do because the map data says it is .. I noticed this in a test drive. For those roads the autopilot-thingy is quite annoying.. I just ordered my ID.3 1st so I hope this will be adjustable in future settings in OTA-updates (I understood there will be a big navi-update, so might include this issue.. crossing fingers).

[@bjornnyland]

It was never 90 zone there. Before the highway was built there, about 6 years ago, it used to be 80 zone.

[@realironis9700]

Hmm, then it truly seems like some buggy software. You didn't notice this while driving the 1st Base edition?

[@vincentbuursink7134]

Nice review of a ID3, especially the "shitttttttttttt" part made me laugh. Keep it up!

[@philippefagnant1841]

The black entry model looks so much better,i hate the color and rims!!

[@dummyxl]

I actually like the colour, I don't like the rims

[@ansgarfinn500]

Nice Car, Love it!

[@Gresteh]

BTW how is the HUD?, it seems too faint in the video. i'm still waiting for the delivery of my own First Max, i was hoping to get it this week, but it seems that it's not going to be the case...

[@DG-uv3zw]

I just don`t get why would I need HUD when I have instrument cluster in front of me? I would actually have the right screen(of course bigger) and then just the HUD in front of me...(but to be honest I only take a glimpse of speed just a few times during drive...) This seems silly and I would never pay for that...

[@Gresteh]

@@DG-uv3zw The current iteration of the HUD is not that useful, it will improve a lot once they activate the augmented reality options as they will show road marks, distance to the next car and they will project arrows to tell you where you have to turn in the windscreen... It may not be the most useful thing in the world but it's a nice thing to have, but yeah, it's an option that can be skipped, just like the panoramic roof and 20 inch wheels, they are nice to have for the "cool factor" but not that useful.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@Gresteh Yeah...all those things are fine on the main screen...its just a gimmick..(90% of the time I listen to navigation not actually look).panorama roof is definitely not a gimmick...its super nice to have...

[@Gresteh]

@@DG-uv3zw Panoramic roof is nice, it adds a lot of light to the interior of the car, but it's an option you can safely skip... and it will be a nightmare in warmer climates. I dread summers here in Spain with my First Max, the car is going to be really hot if i park it ouside.

[@MR-vj8dn]

Tesla does this too, constantly adjusts the cruising speed according to what it thinks is right. Really annoying. I have not found a setting that allows for use of the cruise control without having it guessing whatever the speed limit is and adjusting accordingly - like this WV allows for. 1-0 for WV.

[@adrirm7645]

Can’t wait to see the range in the 82khw id3 🧐

[@yaCiyaCi]

8:20 Are the speed limits wrong GPS data from the maps or actual speed limit signs on the road? I have seen similar issues with other cars related to maps or GPS.

[@bjornnyland]

No, it just randomly shows wrong info. That stretch used to be 80 zone 6 years ago before the motorway was built. And now it seems 60 and 90 zones randomly. Even the 60 zone was on the same spot north, but south it didn't see 60 zone.

[@Harb0eJac0b]

I tried one in Denmark and on one road in the city it kept changing from 50 to 30 and back for no reason at all. Guess the GPS and software needs a bit of tweaking.

[@tomasbruckner5919]

@@bjornnyland I think the reason is the dynamic speed signs over the road, the car recognizes random possible number even if it is not on.

[@lubder]

i suspect that the map material is outdated, VW should fix that, i think they will, hopefully faster than usual. In other tests the Travel Assist did very well, even Tesla drivers have confirmed this.

[@bjornnyland]

No, it's not outdated. That stretch never had 60 and 90 zones. Six year ago before the motorway was built, it was only 80 zones.

[@lubder]

Bjørn Nyland ok, then it is a software issue, i hope they will fix it soon. As i said in other tests on german autobahn it worked well.

[@ivand911]

Will be there a video about ID.3 differences in Basic, Plus and Max? Also about Matrix lights, Traffic assistant to see what it can do. Preemptive ACC , strengths and weakness. Things that should be proper tested. Range test is not suitable for such tests.

[@richardscales9560]

And what Is the price of those 20inch tyres compared to the standa rd. They're usually pricey

[@Gresteh]

About 1300 euros or so... i don't really think they are worth it, they look nice, but they don't really serve any other purpose other than looking nice.

[@BilldalSWE]

You can't order the wheels only. They're included in the Max version which also comes with dynamic headlamps, Full driving assist systems , head up display and much more.

[@Gresteh]

@@BilldalSWE I know (i'm waiting for the delivery of my own first max), but you can see the price if you configure a regular model.

[@Gresteh]

@@Pienimusta Yeah, not an issue for me as i live in spain and we don't have to use winter tires, but it's an issue for other countries, thankfully the ID.3 First comes with free or discounted winter tires for those markets as long as you get it before they update the software.

[@piciu256]

@@Pienimusta this car doesn't have a common wheel size anyway, so either way the tires are really expensive.

[@AWDRIFTO]

We need the ID.3 in the US as the Golf.

[@peterpoppe4855]

Question : what is the effect of a full loaded ID3 on the range ? (4 persons with luggage). Interesting to know...

[@Gresteh]

Not bad, i expected a higher efficiency loss, it seem that even with bigger tires the car is still efficient.

[@alexlo7708]

LCD panel response is quite slow.

[@user-in1gn6fw2eab]

Rims look great!

[@Nobody_Famous]

Jonathan Deinhard parallel parking... nek minnit

[@deurkl]

Maybe the increased weight is also from the larger rims?

[@MrIbernie]

Does the id3 or id4 have a heat pump standard?

[@Gresteh]

It depends on the market, for nordic countries it's standard (at least for the first edition), for other markets it's not. Most markets have it standard for the First Max, but not all, for example Spain, Portugal and Italy don't have a heat pump as standard for the First Max, but most other countries do.

[@Ray88G]

So how does this work then. Bigger rims are heavier is that it . Or is it because of tire Ratio size.. So meatier of thicker tire wall has more give or it is softer.! .. Can it be just thread pattern.? Or because tire has bigger circumference and thread pattern is not optimised for rolling resistance to get most out of it fir EV can that be a contributing factor?

[@Gresteh]

Bigger rims usually have a bigger tire circumference and often a wider profile, but that's not the case for the ID.3 as all rims have the same circumference, tire width and the same thread pattern,... the biggest differences are that bigger rims have more unsprung weight and the tire has less rubber so it has less flexibility... and in top of that the options in the car make it heavier (panoramic roof, HUD, electrically adjusted seats)

[@bjornnyland]

Weight on wheels at highway speed is almost irrelevant. Aerodynamics of the rim is more important.

[@Ray88G]

@@bjornnylandYea that what I got from your videos.. And big thanks. That stopped me from buying magnesium wheels. But its still puzzling.. Yes there is more weight because of extras.. But wheels are aerodynamic, tires are very stiff - low profile, that should help.. But it isn't.. Also weight as you said is irrelevant.. The only thing that comes to my mind is motor efficiency curce. If wheel/ tire is bigger it has more circumference, and motor max efficiency point is not reached. But that would rekavaknt on BLDC motor. But these electric so as cars use AC asynchronous motors with fairly flat efficiency curve

[@mrjoe12345]

@@Ray88G You mean the tire bulging outwards under load? I guess that isn’t too much of an issue with high sidewall tires as long as you keep the pressure at the recommended value. The tire circumference should be pretty similar for the ID3‘s 18“ wheels + tires, 19“ wheels + tires and 20“ wheels + tires. Otherwise it all wouldn’t really work out too well. And a little note, the ID3 uses an AC synchronous motor, AC asynchronous motors have become less common in EVs.

[@Gresteh]

Bjørn Nyland yes, at high speeds it has very little effect compared with aerodynamics, but it has some effect as it increases rolling resistance. It may be a small effect, but it’s compatible with your results. I’ve done some calculations with eCalc and 80kg extra should add 3-5 wh/km to the overall consumption at any given speed (as rolling resistance is constant and doesn’t depend on speed).

[@whuzzzup]

I'd bet the UI will not change for the next 10 years.

[@4LM3R]

It's horrible looking, slow and not user friendly (settings are very hidden) in my opinion

[@carlomorischi3435]

Now the versions of the ID.3 are different from the launch ones

[@frassefrazer]

Is this the car of the year @Björn?

[@markusdd5]

These glossy frames around the displays are the most stupid design decision ever. It already disturbs me when seeing it on video, but in real life it is even worse.

[@Bruce-bz5ci]

does the max get any parking aids like 360

[@StaticApnea]

Could the panorama roof cause more noise?

[@karl-heinzoehling483]

The wind resistance of the large 20 '' rims is worse according to VW statements. 20'' rims cx 0.008 vs. 19''/18'' rims cx 0.006. Link: Die Aerodynamik des Elektroautos VW ID.3 - BolidenForumwww.bolidenforum.de › artikel › artikel › 1372424-die...

[@zuluwars2996]

Didn't you use comfort in the 1st ID3 test? I thought you did but could be incorrect.

[@rk120582]

ID4 is coming too..! Your views on its efficiency ? Do you think they could do a copy paste in efficiency for ID4 Max ;)

[@mrjoe12345]

ID4 is quite a bit larger and heavier than the ID3 so the consumption will definitely be higher. Let’s hope the ID4 will be efficient for its size!

[@rk120582]

@@mrjoe12345 Exactly!! Efficient for its size is what I meant.. Telepathy does exist 😂

[@robsmith1a]

I think from 2022 cars sold in the EU will detect the speed limit and not let you exceed it. Will be fun if they keep getting it wrong?

[@ArveenaRacing]

What? That is not a real thing. There are cities here in Germany who have Soo much income from speeding tickets (more than tourism) they would never let that go. Also I have driven many cars with speed sign recognition no one was really working good. Mercedes has the best one but it still bugs a lot. No way

[@robsmith1a]

@@ArveenaRacing I read the story in 2019 in several places and haven't see anything to say it won't go ahead. www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/speed-limiters-driver-monitors-become-mandatory-eu

[@idanceforpennies281]

I just can't see any upside in having wheels which are larger than what the car was designed for, appearance only? They're heavier, more expensive and reduce ride comfort.

[@mrjoe12345]

With some cars you get wider tires if you go for larger wheels. So if you wanted better traction, you’d have to go for larger wheels. On the downside, the car‘s efficiency decreases though. On the ID3 the large wheels are really for looks only. Though I saw in the configurator (it was the standard ID3 in Germany, not the 1st) that you get regular tires for the 18‘‘ wheels, all season tires with airstop (whatever that is) for 19‘‘ wheels and regular tires with airstop for 20‘‘ wheels. So if you care about the standard tires, your choice would depend on wheel size.

[@tbnzet]

As 20" comes as a standard or option it is of course designed for the car by VW. Wheel size choice is mostly up to taste.

[@shmadmanuts]

This electric cars are HEAVY. The base ID3 is as heavy as my Sharan with 7 seats (60cm longer, 17cm higher, 10cm wider). I wonder how much those ultra--low rolling resistant prototypes will affect efficiency once we get them on the market. And how much our loved quiet and comfortable but higher rolling resistance ones will lower the range. PS: EV owners should really take to have proper inflation pressure.

[@bjornnyland]

But EVs, despite being heavy, only use about 25 % of the energy of a fossil car (equivalent to about 1-2 l/100 km).

[@steffenbuettner4294]

Are the bigger battery sizes not available yet for the ID.3?

[@Gresteh]

Nope, you can order a car with a bigger battery, but it wont be delivered until at least December.

[@Shinare73]

The first thing I thought was "gee that sounds loud" when you started driving. Thought it might be the mic or something. Then you talk about it.

[@Macmonkey1000]

Yeah, noticeably noisier than the 18's. Less is definitely more (comfort) in this case

[@VirtuellJo]

It is not buggy software, it is a poor data set.

[@gthack371]

That's a green car :)

[@Alex-qx7jn]

I don't understand, wasn't the Max the one with 77kW? I'm confused.

[@Gresteh]

Nope, that's the Tour (and the Pro S), the Max is the one with most the options, but it still has the same battery as the other ones.

[@kasmopaya2676]

The names are just stupid, not intuitive at all. How about long range ID.3 VW?

[@bjornnyland]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4LZn3ippJmgi6M

[@jhorvat8478]

long range fat tiers with small rims, city drive big wheels

[@4LM3R]

That interface looks horrible...

[@Player-ix7rx]

Shtap doing dat!!!

[@gacherumburu9958]

👍..

[@didiertoulouze8156]

You eat too much Bjorn 😂 1900kg !

[@seb.]

too many buns😂

[@johnchartrand5910]

Seems very quiet

[@mausje1612]

You speak good German.

[@bjornnyland]

Danke Schön!

[@mravecsk1]

Whats up...slappers ;)

[@blurandomnumber]

VW software -- serious business..

[@plushiie_]

Most problems with this car seem to be software. It's a really good car for Europe, praying to god people will buy this over the ugly ass leaf xD

[@tbnzet]

I think the Leaf looks fine in the facelifted version, but it's really not ok that they still didn't update the battery with liquid cooling.

[@fladder1]

Ugh, nice that it detects speed limits but the fact it adjust the speed automagically makes it a car I'll never drive.

[@fladder1]

@Frank Sisson nope, hardly ever get one. It's just like Björn shows, outdated or wrong information and the car starts braking. That's a big no no for me, because in my mind at that point I cannot trust that system.

[@Tom-mb2ch]

You can turn it off like most assist features.

[@kennyg1358]

I hope VW does better than this soon.

[@DeerKoden]

From first to *thirsty* in a matter of inches

[@shanak6253]

I want my money back!!! This is not a WHITE CAR !!!🤣🤣🤣

[@mattaut88]

Why is it showing a grey car when your car is green?

[@kbhasi]

Probably because VW didn't implement the code to be able to show that.

[@Gresteh]

VW devs are lazy, they only added the white option for the display... Hopefully they will add extra colors via OTA updates once they are available.

[@mrjoe12345]

Yeah, they made the infotainment system look cool by having it show the car like Tesla but then it’s always the same image in the VW regardless of the looks of your car. This is a really stupid area to cheap out on/just be too lazy to improve!

[@Gresteh]

@@mrjoe12345 thankfully that could be an easy fix if VW wants to do it... just add the option to change the color in the display, not sure if they will do it as it's low priority

[@izpodpolja]

@@Gresteh Please don't go for the "lazy DEV" - that's just an insult & sign of ignorance.

[@ovi9610]

I'm seeing a white car.... 🤣🤣

[@tigers123123]

UX in this car is just plain stupid! It's ridiculous.

[@ivand911]

Nobody care about Tesla car color bullshit on display. Speed limits are by the map? I know maps are not updated. I thought there is camera which detect actual road speed signs? Some lucky drivers get their cars with Continental or Goodyear. They could be quieter. Or even economical.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope, speed limit is not by map. 6 years ago before the motorway was built, it was 80 zone all the way there. The ID3 detected 60 and 90 zones randomly.