Warbringers: Sylvanas

[@nathanhart9184]

If I knew Teldrassil could burn so easily, I never would've started campfires to level my cooking.

[@BladedAngel]

Nathan Hart lmao

[@MaryJane-bz5zq]

This made my day :D

[@BlackEpyon]

You'd think the Night Elves would have spells to prevent that.... Or at least put around a few fire extinguishers, or water elementals, or something... Seriously, this is not my fault. This was NOT built to code!

[@Uthandir]

Yep. You'd think it'd go up in flames the first time a Panda opened a soup kitchen inthere. Seriously... highly flamable for a tree that grows out of the goddamned ocean.

[@shakirashipslied9721]

Really what I thought, Like Um Why isn't there a spell or something for Teldrassil?

[@Megoover]

Top 10 pranks that went too far.

[@badabamamm2652]

HAHA xD

[@davidirimia6463]

xDddDDdDDD

[@ElZamo92]

Well, Arthas isn't known to be a master prankster...

[@agraell]

Why im laughing

[@lilikaji3205]

omg :')

[@ianclvl09]

You notice when windrunner told nathanos to "Burn it" even he was hesitant

[@Heron11177]

Yup He was like "Dafuq, sis?"

[@224224josh]

Their explanation was that he was surveying their handywork and was kinda in lala land when she first gave the order which is why he was like wut?

[@spyrkle4777]

That’s saying something

[@Rexwar31]

He had regret when he got his new body too. It is his brothers

[@viktorijasun3082]

@@Rexwar31 Not his brothers, but his cousin

[@SplitItOut]

The way she says "can't i?" is absolutely perfect. Blizzard hired purely great voice actors.

[@Pironesia]

FRR

[@luke2929]

@Michael not im the gameplay

[@farmerguytitle]

I always thought she said "dont die" as in to make her last memory her home burning

[@anthonydefilippo8526]

It'll be great if they stop firing great story writers. The story is sooo bad.

[@user-xb1xb2wu6n]

Anthony Defilippo ohhh boeh if only you read the spoilers for shadowlands. This all makes sense. Yes her killing these night elves and burning the tree... there was a very important reason for why she did this. A key to let you know good this is... Sylvanas is a key and essential player in helping us save all of Azeroth inhabitants. And worst/best of all, Sylvanas is not who she was thought to be, but who she was displayed to be, was very necessary. Now it was needed for us to not see this coming. Letting you know now, there’s a lot of distractions that took place in legion and bfa. A lot of the lore for Sylvanas in those expansions were just results of what she was actually doing in secret and a little of it was personal. These all were distractions though. But there were hints placed in each cinema and in quest lines for bfa and legion to let us know what was going on.

[@glorbhadgav]

"You cannot kill hope." "Can't I...?" *Turns the dying night elf's head to look at Battle for Azeroth and the Azerite system*

[@Jaybird9x]

Kevin Stapp Yes.

[@099Nitro]

Damm that's cruel

[@robertluby2966]

memelord here

[@JanJanNik]

*turns her head to GCD changes, ilvl squish, bear tartare nerf, scaling, leveling, expulsom scrapping, group finder QoL, shamans, RNG rewards, time gating and Beachhead*

[@synchaos9141]

Kevin Stapp add Diablo Immortal while you're at it

[@mekaelbayati8040]

The voice actor, no matter how badly Sylvanas is written, executed her role so perfectly!! I live for her acting!!

[@rosestick5496]

BURN IT!

[@MrAntonny195]

Hah, she’s written decently. I was emotional and disappointed at first, but now, looking back, I understand, that her actions are entirely in-character for her.

[@Salmagros]

@Sukuren Well not because she is Bad but because she is so salty and so normandy bad.

[@Imaanyi]

For her voice alone, I hope we'll have Sylvanas around us for a veeeery long time. She's sensational.

[@KayKoharu]

I'd love to meet her voice actress someday she is AMAZING in this part

[@TheSpaceGrape]

You know your orders are incredibly questionable when Nathanos even hesitates to follow through.

[@DrKriegsgrave]

heheh.... im glad i wasnt the only one that actually noticed that, and considering Nathanos is quite a vile guy.... But i question Saurfang approving of this, he's honorable in magnitudes greater than anyone in WoW currently, veteran of every single previous war, veteran of the might of kalimdor, veteran of the Lich King War, Garrosh's Betrayal and single handledly, even at his age, brutalized the entire klaxxi corridor that lead to garrosh's chamber, thats one though orc, and i dont see him blindly following sylvanas anytime soon

[@captainpotato5108]

Funny enough Saurfang doesnt blindly follow her for long... just wait til BFA

[@shiningdagr]

Im betting Saurfang isnt approving on it. Wouldnt surprise me if he is hoping she takes it far enough to cause her own downfall within the horde.

[@skittlez13gurl]

No, he is not approving. He didn't even want to throw that axe into Malfurions back, he even said himself it was dishonorable. And this...There's absolutely no honor in it. Saurfang would never ever do something like this.

[@CoraSeby]

Captain Potato I vote Saurfang to be our new Warchief.

[@nataraja7471]

"In retrospect I should not have taunted the genocidal undead warlord."

[@ra7en114]

The risk was calculated, but man am I bad at math

[@LordTelperion]

Just like Republicans...willing to destroy a nation of people to make a point against one person. BOOYA! *mic drop*

[@ataxia5304]

@@LordTelperion the left cant meme

[@cornuschristi1814]

@@LordTelperion If this were a discussion about politics, I would agree with you, but this isn't a discussion about politics. You're literally the uncle nobody wants to invite to thanksgiving because he brings up politics at the table every year.

[@LordTelperion]

​@@cornuschristi1814 Oh my sweet, young child. Fortunately I would never want to come to your trailer park Thanksgiving.

[@StrykerZeals]

So Sylvanas is basically a marksman hunter that decided to try and melee a frost DK? Kind of her own fault

[@Musicismyarmor]

That's why she said I remember a fool

[@Deolrin]

Arthas was Unholy as a DK before he became the Lich King.

[@fey2712]

Only have so many arrows.

[@shidokatsuragi9359]

In Vanilla Wow, You run out of ammo(arrows) if you dont stock up and she died before Vanilla

[@heatherkrulisky2939]

Before... Cataclysm I think hunters had melee options and bow options...

[@magicmcgregor6086]

If only those night elves had their hearthstones set to the trade district like everyone else

[@SULFURIOUS]

This comment made my day. :D

[@MintBerryCrrrunch]

Devs: "you can kill them all, but you can't update a world tree that was created on a 2004 engine." Ion: "can't I?".....*turns to dev team* Ion: "burn it" Devs: *look at each other with confusion* Ion: "BURN IT!"

[@mohamedmbarek5579]

You win XDDD

[@ultimatecow.]

take my upvote!

[@starkillermatt91]

What does Ion mean???

[@MintBerryCrrrunch]

Minato Namikaze Ion Hazzikostas is the Game Director of World of Warcraft

[@davidg.9357]

Shut up and take my like!

[@elrilmoonweaver4723]

Even after all these years, The Warbringer animations are my favorite ones. They set the tone for BFA so superbly :) I'm just sorry BFA never lived up to the quality storytelling promised by the animations.

[@Leadblast]

Exactly how much has animation quality to do with good storytelling? 😏

[@cowboy5826]

@@Leadblast ???

[@szaka9395]

Legion bfa was peak wow. People didnt realise how great the game was back then.

[@thecherrypi9718]

Unrealistic Arthas army in reality Sylvanas got attacked by mass necromancers with few meat wagons

[@MrCyCy1991]

Lmfao!

[@C0T0HA]

You. I like you.

[@raymarsingco4268]

why am i laughing, so accurate

[@sov4956]

TheCherryPi hahaha lol

[@sov4956]

Now I remember her in my childhood

[@bethanyann1060]

night elf: only innocents remain in the tree. me: you’re forgetting the webwood spiders -_-

[@DoctorFail]

Thats the real reason she burned the tree.

[@sninctbur3726]

BURN IT!

[@maciejgamer3761]

haha

[@Pixx2266]

and Ban'ethil Barrow den. My wish since vanilla has come true.

[@zealox1148]

also this one satyr in the tree.

[@jamiebrookes2143]

Most NIght Elves are in Goldshire anyway....

[@solisesunspree2935]

ROFL

[@chufeng6223]

Most humans were in the capital anyway....

[@jamiebrookes2143]

Just need to learn some of that human potential.

[@wmc5431]

"Repopulating the species"

[@eden2808]

Jamie Brookes Whale most CHILDREN live in teldrassil

[@elmukaltino]

Daenerys: 'can i copy your homework?'

[@Tonster_AKS]

My God I thought the same

[@nogum9763]

Blizzard did it first

[@apurvachakke3349]

Was looking for this comment, First the undead dragon, now this. Lots of stolen stuff in GOT

[@christopherrussell1394]

@@apurvachakke3349 Think of them as tributes. World of Warcraft has paid tribute to Game of Thrones plenty of times.

[@Jinny-Wa]

Yep, that cesspool needed to be purged

[@vuduwolf5159]

Roses are red Sylvanas is blue Reddit is burning And Teldrassil too

[@Enesdar]

Vudu Wolf Ah ah aaah, Sylvanas is grey, didn't you know?

[@manueltorres6638]

Vudu Wolf that was lovely! 👊

[@yourvenparianen5390]

all 50 shades of them

[@Sayaloire]

ouch~

[@nerdygoat9912]

Better writting than the whole Sylvanas arc.

[@tildn]

please no Garrosh 2.0.......

[@EndoRadolu]

ToX YnEr it is already

[@Talock2000]

Yeah to late

[@arctorusmedia]

Insulting people who don't want lazily repeated lore is pretty moronic.

[@Earthium]

The difference is that she "Serves the Horde".

[@PucciusLOLcannalunga]

Sylvanas order to burn a World Tree after a huge roast by random night elf Azeroth -2018 coloraized

[@cattrucker8257]

"She roasted me. So I roasted her entire capital city!"

[@PucciusLOLcannalunga]

Cat Trucker just like his daddy arthars. "This dreadlord roast my kingdom with this zombie plague, so i become the KING of the plague and roast the entire world"

[@mayabc333]

I know everyone is busy complaining about the plot, but is no one going to mention how beautiful the animation and music are? The transition from the present to the fall of Quel'thalas, the crescendo when she's stabbed by Arthas... absolutely breathtaking!

[@styan9]

Illidan *Watching from Pantheon*- "Good thing I decided to stay."

[@Voffsing1]

He's got popcorn and everything

[@NOKIA-vq2dx]

Steven but his tyraaaaaande

[@TheRandomMuffinMan]

Steven imagine if he didn’t stay. I wonder if he would have stayed neutral or sided with a faction.

[@stickyrar179]

Best comment on here.

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

Sunglases, popcorn and a Beer watching the world burn

[@alphariusomegon2287]

*Arthas clapping hands *. jpg

[@arturv.a.4542]

He's so proud of his little girl... oh my god, Sylv is actually a rebellious teen daughter.

[@ShillienKnight90]

She is better leader then he is tough.

[@zeelfarshmek111]

then again Arthes had only pupets whilst Sylvanas has real thinking flesh and blood to lead.Easy to throw body's when you can rise them but hard to control emotional solders

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

He's so proud of the Legacy he created.

[@Dogmeat5010]

@@arturv.a.4542 she's older than Arthas

[@zazry86100]

Sylvanas: Destroy this tree because I told you to! Horde War Cry: *BECAUSE YOU TOLD US TO!!!*

[@jimwohl366]

zazry86100 lol I’m horde and this made my day.

[@Ruebzzz]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@OrifielM]

What shade of "morally gray" is this? #000001?

[@giancarlozegarra8423]

#010101

[@chuuna3962]

black

[@WWFAttitudeEraFreak]

Fifty shades

[@roosin7900]

that's vanta black lol

[@zain6008]

Darker than vanta black

[@Examus93]

"Have you given any thought to what this means, Sylvanas. What difference is there between you and the Lich King now?"

[@xTheWolfman1991]

"Isn't it obvious, Examus? I'm *MORALLY GREY*."

[@saquashkingbananas6399]

the foreshadowing no one remembers.

[@gabrielcollazo6835]

"The difference is that I fight for the horde"

[@chromidius5339]

I remember. I remember all the things slyvanas did when she was killed and raised by arthas. Honestly that dying night elf should've said as much. "You are no better than Garrosh, no better than Arthas, you are worse than them.

[@ashwilliams9670]

Examus93 a cool backstory.

[@nadlacki]

"Many will not understand" - Vol'jin

[@-ll-l---l-]

I need a troll expansion :)

[@PucciusLOLcannalunga]

nadlacki look like vol jin and thrall both suck on choose a warchief

[@sythirius42]

Yeah, I don't understand. Very true.

[@LightningDragonGamer]

Bwonsamdi told him to just so he could get more souls

[@arturv.a.4542]

Hear me out here. What if it was Vol'jin that didn't understand?

[@goldfire123456]

its was a pleasure to see arthas again

[@andypaun1279]

goldfire123456 indeed :))

[@CptArthas]

goldfire123456 indeed

[@fuhrbee]

The one....The True..........Lich King......

[@DJKO12X]

Sadly, no minor dialogue from his Warcraft 3 lines. Patrick Seitz shouldve do it

[@El_Billy]

I wish they had saved him for later.

[@skyyoo4912]

say what you will about the story, the cinematic itself is a masterpiece

[@Hunk_Streams]

vol'jin: oops sorry bruddahs

[@critter505]

Bit too soon for that kiddo.

[@matnelen4235]

This sent milk out my nose.

[@makcraft]

HE NEVER CALLED HER SYLVANAS, HE ALWAYS CALLED HER WINDRUNNER (there are 2 more sisters)

[@saintmt.3377]

He is a troll......... a big troll.....

[@gilpima6599]

Oi mon, I be sorry for dat

[@Traffyx3]

The rank of the Warchief is cursed it seems. Either you die, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian.

[@arniewarnie]

That's what you get for being Horde

[@CrestOfArtorias]

Only Thrall was worthy, this demon must be purged.

[@greghannibal]

I don't play Horde, but what's Thrall doing during all of this??

[@Ghastly10]

Now we know why Thrall got out when he did.. :)

[@rokobilic356]

jacking off at the maelstrom

[@TheShaofThirst]

1:32 Did Sylvanas just...guitar slide into Arthas' sword?

[@jon_ovo3653]

Finns Chan lmfaaao right he stabbed her deep

[@craiger2399]

Yes... yes she did! /throws the horns

[@aw4591]

Totally metal!

[@vindurza]

Her thoughts during that oops

[@jeramahia123]

Watch Nobel's reaction to this. You'll laugh.

[@caseycroissant1708]

Teldrassil was grown from branch off of nordrassil, nordrassil is nearly fully reborn after the third war, just make another teldrassil. Twodrassil.

[@mercurialsilver5688]

Casey Croissant Teldrassil was void corrupted, I doubt the Night Elves are going to roll the dice again on another World Tree.

[@arketsjenkins5016]

Tolddrassil.

[@jarus7618]

5Head

[@archdruidbookwalter951]

Teldrassil 2 The Squeakuel

[@KaminariHouse]

@@archdruidbookwalter951 Teldrassil Tooie: The Squeakuel XRD In-Birth exe late Heaven's Feel ACCENT CORE Cross Tag Battle +R FighterZ Over Heaven STRIVE - Deathinitive Edition - Featuring Dante from the "Devil May Cry" Series & KNUCKLES (NEW Funky Mode)

[@CobaltTheCrusader]

Sylvanas is not morally grey and I think this proves it. People are calling her "Garrosh 2.0" but those people are wrong. Very wrong. Dead wrong. She's Arthas 2.0. She's finally become the thing that she hated the most. What is the ethical difference between Sylvanas burning the Great Tree and Arthas burning Stratholme? At least Arthas had the excuse of "these people are poisoned and will turn into the undead". Sylvanas was told that the only people inside the Tree were innocents and non combatants...but she burned it anyway. ...Actually upon reflection this makes her WORSE than Arthas ._. EDIT: I know that Arthas did more than burn Stratholme. I was just comparing apples to apples here since both of them wound up burning some major city. Arthas' worst deeds were leaving soldiers to die in Northrend by destroying their ships home and then blaming hired Mercenaries for it so they are summarily executed by Arthas' soldiers. Arthas also lusted for the power to destroy demons and dreadlords and got it with the power of Frostmourne which further corrupted him and lead him down the path of the Lich King and killed his own father. But let's not pretend for a second that Sylvanas wouldn't sacrifice what little humanity she has left for more power or that if her parents were still alive she'd find some way to justify them. She's a stone cold killer and war monger who's been slowly developed to be the monster she sought out to destroy all along. It's a great development for a character! She's a prime villain but she's essentially become another Arthas. I expect her to eventually retreat and come into contact with Bolvar somehow.

[@eduardcatargiu94]

one of the best arguments so far

[@justincrowasuka2501]

Thats a logical conclusion of Sylvanas story, don't know why people hate, she had it coming for a long time.

[@OldmanModo]

She understands, if you don't, you are weak. For what is coming, there is no place for weakness. She might not be the warchief you want, but she sure fkn is the warchief we need.

[@sharkdude2037]

That's a lazy comparison, Arthas did much more things than Stratholme...

[@modarnwarfare2rull]

Yea, Stratholme wasn't when he turned evil, it was when he decided to kill the mercenaries that helped him reach the ships and destroy them and Teldrassil is still worse.

[@Spiarmf]

Did everyone see all that moral ambiguity that didn't exist in this video? You know, the morally grey area that Blizzard keeps claiming? Okay, good. Neither did I.

[@LouisMorissette]

i was just thinking that

[@PuReAFROz]

It’s war

[@m1sh474]

It's a war nd this is a tree...

[@medli7725]

The ambiguity is that the Alliance is just as bad

[@lukcymann]

Saurfang has fallen just as far for listening to this command. He is supposed to be a paragon of honor amongst the Korkron. Carrying out this order makes him Garrosh, slaughtering children.

[@kappaccino4447]

"She's not evil, guys, we swear." ~ Blizzard, probably

[@ChaosNightshde]

Evil is a vague term with some characters. She is leaning there, but does care for her people. Until that vanishes, she is not fully evil.

[@lucasbuffalo2596]

Cares for them enough to murder them.

[@sedlinasera3891]

@ChaosNightshde not going to spoiler the battle for UC for you. But man - you are in for such a disappointment :D

[@nahalastone8027]

Waiting for Blizzard to pull out some sort of 'tough love' excuse. And I'm a long time horde player.

[@thunderborn3231]

@chaosnightshde but i will she kills her people at the battle for undercity

[@mmilkrat]

“You’ve made life your enemy, and that is a war you’ll never win.” I love that line. It really represents how Sylvanas kinda hates her own existence and tries to destroy everything in her path to deal with it. I think she’s such an interesting character I hope they do her right in SL.

[@josephcole8808]

She wants death, but not yet. Because she knows what awaits her if she dies. She needs us to fix her predicament.

[@Brandonsmoot26]

@@josephcole8808 i hope so!!! She's been by far my favorite. And I've played since 2 months before WoTLK came out. I hope they do her justice in shadowlands and don't just turn her into a boss

[@alvarorivas9896]

Tomie

[@payingtoplay]

Joseph Cole what awaits her exactly?

[@alvarorivas9896]

@Jackson MitchellSylvanas is the shadow hokage? Well she did say she was giving us liberation to then just go work for the Jailer lol, I hope she is a double agent.

[@abouttime837]

#WhatWouldVoljinDo

[@bigraz3036]

die without doing a single thing for a whole expansion

[@Pandarian300]

Dis our land, wanna stay? stay here foreva wit yo bunnin tree!

[@ayethe4603]

Voljin would have realized that the alliance wasnt going to leave us alone after azerite

[@Dovahnuke]

Probably stab sylvanas in the back.

[@Ultimaton100]

The fact that Vol’jin doesn’t even mention Sylvanas when Horde players quest with his ghost in Zandalar seems to indicate he sees no fault with his choice, which would be telling.

[@panke1590]

Many will not understand - Vol'jin 2016

[@pixels.inmotion220]

Vol’jin was breaking the fourth wall the whole time.

[@dynamica2189]

This needs more up votes #truth !

[@sheepwhisperer8527]

"I have NEVAH trusted jou."

[@Edwardisthatyou]

many... maaaaaaaany many many... almost all the wow community hahahaha

[@Yuliviee]

mane well nat andastand*

[@ohchinchindaisuke1927]

Can we all take a moment to realize how stupid sylvanas was to power slide into frostmourne.

[@TheOukatu]

Simon Dastvan lol!

[@BrotherDoorkeeper]

She DID say "I remember.. a fool."

[@mr.cooper8148]

It wasn't quite like that in the game, but who has time for that when a dying elf is making you recount your past?

[@thisisfine7697]

"Yeep. This sounds like a GREAT idea!" quoth Sylvanas before death, probably

[@LazyJones1]

This is a retelling of the story, with some artistic freedom. It is not what actually happened.

[@RiseSoup]

"...Can't I?" Hooly. Good voice acting.

[@MonticueGaming]

It's interesting that so far both the warbringers have been poked by Arthas in one way or another...

[@techo97]

nice one ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@darz6012]

heh

[@sebastianvillamil7061]

Hahahahahahahah good one

[@saifakib8346]

Nice one

[@elliotalderson6764]

lolll

[@RubberNinja]

Are.. Are we the baddies?

[@troyty007]

Yup. Wish Thrall was back...

[@JLDP666]

Wow, hillarious and original

[@RauschenPauli]

nah. its just gonna be both sides are doing stuff wrong but have some good parts. like allways

[@atticusstark5197]

Dammit Ross

[@sinara1989]

seems so O_O

[@DarthEnderX]

Random Night Elf: "You ain't so bad!" Sylvanas: "Hold my beer."

[@REDPARADOXX]

DarthEnderX hanaha 😂

[@nukem8128]

Best comment 10/10

[@richie616]

The way she said, "Can't I?" is so much more chilling (and impactful) than the way she says, "Burn it!"

[@Didaman123]

"After all you've put me through, woman, the last thing I'll give you is the peace of death" - Arthas

[@thomasbakaros6474]

rip horde rip shylvanas

[@AK56xXx]

why rip ? weird

[@lollma0]

He forgot to imbue his blade with Rune of the Fallen Thot Destroyer

[@OCTAVIANVS_AVGVSTVS_CAESAR]

I missed that dialogue in this video I wanted to hear Arthas voice.

[@bion247]

Random night elf: You can't kill hope. Sylvanas: Hold my beer.

[@Izzoroth]

Rando Space Marine: Amateurs.

[@peroroncino6109]

A fine welcome for us brothers. RETURN THE GREETING IN KIND!

[@VentusTyrant]

FOR THE EMPEROR !!!

[@bvm6634]

Hold my bow ;D

[@adambennini2228]

I hope blizzard keeps her as evil as she is I don't want a moral crisis episode, EVIL ALL THE WAY !

[@AnnaJo2000]

Night elf: "Why are you doing this?" Sylvanus: (Shows everyone how she became a banshee) Night elf: "That not what I asked..."

[@badwolf1490]

AnnaJo2000 that's like the 4th time Blizzard telling us the Sylvanas origin story

[@michixlol]

It shows that this made her a bitter person,.

[@croissantlover1]

it shows us she is a noob at life, a lil edgy emo cry baby who went full genocide mode.

[@themaconeau]

Harsh. But fair. 👍

[@xxxbacktomars8244]

exactly! childish play

[@sninctbur3726]

A crucial detail from the novella is left out here. Sylvanas knew that Saurfang failed to kill Malfurion, so she burned the tree as an alternative way to break the night elves’ spirits.

[@marymccann3500]

Maybe if Saurfang did the ONE THING he was supposed to do, we wouldn't be here.

[@twistednightmare1363]

@@marymccann3500 Maybe if Saurfang had of let them fight Malfurion would have killed her there and then and we wouldn't be here? OR, maybe if she had just finished off Malfurion herself instead of telling the orc who was BLATANTLY struggling with his morality at that moment to do it while she walked off, we wouldn't be here.

[@Teemo6544]

“Prepare to invade the tree”. not prepare to burn it to the whole ground. She burnt the tree because she was roasted by a night elf

[@thor.mukbang]

@@marymccann3500 It's an important part of the story. She wants Saurfang to feel that he has dishonored the Horde and broken her trust

[@UltimateGamerCC]

"Sylvanas, this is unnatural, what difference is there between The Lich King and You?" - Garrosh Hellscream "Simple, I Serve The Horde." - Sylvanas Windrunner ......i had no idea that she was being so honest, cause at this point, there doesnt look to be a difference.

[@ProtonCannon]

and the next quote from Sylvanas will be "I am the horde!"

[@Zibol8]

"watch your clever mouth #&#@&" - Garrosh

[@kdfosifki]

I think your quotes are a bit off...

[@cagriy6238]

Blizz expansion lore guide: kill horde warchief >make new warchief>make him/her go evil>kill horde warchief.

[@squalor5515]

I had no interest for this expansion until watching this lol

[@xLetalis]

That tree will turn into *morally gray* ashes.

[@TierHarribel]

dead meme

[@enesb4797]

what is morally gray?

[@RoyalBluePhoenix]

This doesn't justify any of her actions at all. She saw her kind die when Arthas invades, so she does something nearly identical to the night elves? She's just become the next Arthas/Garrosh

[@necrobale]

LOL

[@TheCthultist]

Taliesan put you up to this, didn’t he...

[@ryano1267]

So I said "what are you gonna do, burn down Teldrassil?" And the madwoman actually did it.

[@SethusDA]

But women don't get mad, they just get upset!

[@starlagirls]

not this time o-o

[@willow2894]

People have their own feelings about the meaning of these videos but they’re honestly entirely well done and I feel so grateful to be able to watch them.

[@serena3841]

The Horde is going through Warchiefs like toilet paper.

[@timberwolfbrother]

Thinkin' the writers really hate the Horde.

[@lucasrayo1]

hahahahaha fakkk ahahahahhahahaa

[@burnbobquist8999]

Well factions or leaders who always were on good terms: Thrall - Vol'Jin - Cairne. Lor'themar - Sylvanas. All of them wore a good team. But i don't know what Blizzard is thinking nowaday, everyone seems to hate everyone.

[@ravensblm]

Not this time buddy

[@ramanboucher]

Now there's an apt analogy. :P

[@viewernewest]

Congratulations Sylvanas, the Lich King would be proud.

[@Daioblis]

No no, that doesn't hit hard enough. _Arthas_ would be proud. See, _now_ you've burned her.

[@Antonio-gg4vv]

viewernewest in a way, Sylvanas is like Magneto. She has the same views as Arthas, but she had to go against him because he killed her. Like Eric and Shaw from X-Men.

[@JMasterIkari]

Considering that WoW died with the Lich King that is actually a rather fine compliment.

[@JonJonMorales]

Wow. That’s actually food for thought.

[@TheMortiaris]

True, there is part of lich king in her, when she die and jaina wow will die, even more than now

[@FrancoCT15]

Players: We want Horde with a good Warchief!! Blizzard: You think you do..but you dont...

[@forgiveness7959]

They're never going to live that down.

[@jensjensen4836]

we aren't allowed to be bad, blizz will just make us kill our own warchief against our will again.

[@tomassolano5601]

The Horde can still be savage while at the same time being honorable, those are not antagonistic qualities with Sauerfang being the perfect example. Take the scenario that happens above, he effectively and savagely attacks and destroys the nightelf military forces with little restrain, yet his orders during the attack on Lor'Danel were to extract the civilians from the fight, interrogate them and then let them go unharmed.

[@Dannymiles1987]

Franco Cepeda we don't. At least I don't. I'm a pvp horde player though. Down with the Alliance

[@tristanfaulkner6003]

Well, to be fair, back in orcs and humans and warcraft 2 the Horde was definitely evil, the point was that players could play as the bad guys, which almost never happened in games at the time and was a welcome change from constantly playing as pure hearted heroes. The Horde has never acted like they were morally upright, they prize freedom and strength. The one thing the Horde has over the Alliance is that they don't pretend to be something they are not, the Alliance had more problems with infiltration, corruption, and betrayal. Usually when the Horde goes bad, they are honest about it and don't bother to hide or pretend to be holier than thou.

[@jem5378]

"Life is pain. Hope fails." "Ok Boomer." "....BURN IT."

[@206Nova]

W

[@treasurechestburlesque9803]

Life is pain. Anyone who tries to say differently is selling you something

[@123forafurry]

@@treasurechestburlesque9803 No its not u sad boomer

[@treasurechestburlesque9803]

p0melia I’m 34 and that’s a quote from Princess Bride...

[@BansheeKing22]

@@123forafurry Life is pain. Obviously you're just some naive child who thinks everything is happy happy joy joy. You've never had to suffer. I'd say I envy you for your innocence but I'd be lieing.

[@Pano555555]

That moment her tear burn marks were created during her death.. Beautiful small detail..

[@qpSubZeroqp]

i loved that too

[@tyler4008]

Now accepting applications for the next Warchief.

[@CookiesfromHell]

eff off out of here false horde

[@coskunerdogan4431]

Baine bloodhoof

[@hakimbenzaid7904]

#MyWarchief haha sylvanas is bae

[@DrGameLord]

Saurfang or Lor'themar pls

[@nah2481]

true :D

[@Vod_MacDuff]

I liked the video but the flashback was incorrect, Sylvanas didn't charge in heroically. She ran away a crapload of times until she was caught, then she begged for a quick death, which Arthas refused to give her because she pissed him off.

[@andypaun1279]

Vod MacDuff Good point... God i miss Arthas, he was a badass!

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

Well we can assume this was her last stand. And they couldn't have reused that dialogue, nor remake it... so I think it's best that they just skipped it.

[@Venslor]

Don't forget, we're also seeing it how SHE remembers it, not per se how it actually happened. Those two things can be dramatically different.

[@BasketballHoopWTF]

WC3 & WC3: Frozen Throne - Best games ever. WoTLK: Best WoW expansion ever.

[@MrFuckingKololo]

Don't forget that the reason she burns the tree in the game is completely different to what they show in the video. They can't keep faithfull to the lore they wrote literally less than a year ago.

[@Viciouss72]

"After all you've put me through, woman...the last thing I'll give you is the peace of death"

[@amouramarie]

Let's take a moment to appreciate that as a *normal elf ranger* Sylvanas gave Arthas the Lich King such a fight that he wanted to make her suffer forever. That's why I can't understand people who doubt that as an undead banshee with nothing left but rage and fight, she could beat Bolvar Fordragon, who is, remember, a generally good guy who was certainly not going to release the Scourge to fight her.

[@darthrevan5609]

@@amouramarie exactly, bolvar was mearly Lich King as a last ditch effort to stop the sourge from destroying Azeroth he had no intention on actually ruling the dammed the same way Arthas did or using his powers and the most key reason, he didnt have Frostmourne the blade that literally ate souls and gave its wilder more power for every sould consumed

[@flamingchickin]

@@darthrevan5609 The problem with that is um, he was using lich king powers in the cinematic. Throughout legion he was sitting on icecream citadel powering up. Empowering his death knight bois and finding some cool undead artifacts. Lich king is not that powerful of an entity, it's his army that is. Sylvanas should've had some of her loyalists and bolvar should've had death knights like four horseman and stuff. Big scale battle for icc with sylvanas eventually reaching the top and 1v2ing bolar and his death knight champion who both together doesn't get like totally rekted but like medium rekted.

[@ELDevaux]

@@amouramarie Arthas was just a Death Knight when she fought him as a ranger. Not the Lich King. So this argument's premise is flawed.

[@lanceelopezz223]

@@amouramarie L

[@szarkupac4655]

This sent chills down my.....tentacles.

[@spooglet3279]

N'Zoth What are you doing here? How did you get access to KZbin?

[@Gibbous_Loon]

That sent tentacles up my.....chills.

[@karama300video]

He created KZbin to corrupt us all!

[@szarkupac4655]

The Berserk Spoogz You know its hard to type with tentacles.

[@deanflood5445]

N'Zoth your doing your best buddy keep trying see you in a few patches bro

[@vl1510]

Players: "Greymane definitely burnt the tree! Blizzard would never create another Garrosh because that would make the whole story repetitive and boring!" Blizzard: "Hold my beer..."

[@1wing1]

why would greymane ever burn the tree. nelfs helped the worgen when nobody else did, alot of worgen live in darnassus, and it would weaken the alliance and thus it's chances to win a war vs the horde. that scenario is so fckn dumb lol

[@jms4215]

With Voljin this dont happen

[@ShotgunRain99]

i think people were thinking it was going to be a scorched earth tactic

[@Bulettenmann]

I mean they literally just recycled a villain we killed 10 years ago. Shouldn't suprise anyone the repeat Garrosh. Next expansion will be "The lich king returns" and after that we will get a troll supervillain as horde leader to complete the trio of orchitler, bansheehitler and trollhitler.

[@kokonutman6413]

MrGuvnah never was the horde it was always the leader(guldan,garrosh and sylvanas) except for voljin and thrall

[@Branoptic]

Last time I remember someone waged war on the living, we solo him weekly in hope for a mount...while afking in his 2 minutes roleplay.

[@Kajakoro]

I really hope that she won't become garrosh 2.0

[@tomekfranciszek9237]

garrosh actually did nothing wrong tho

[@idontknowwhatimdoing4632]

She won't. She'll become Lich Queen.

[@ymir6286]

She literally already is garrosh 2.0

[@swagnone619]

Branwen meant Arthas I think. And she's pretty much 1 step away from being Garroshi 2.0

[@Blondie101neon]

The score played behind this video is so well crafted, eerie and foreboding and dark - love it!

[@rosecoloredglasses2590]

2:33 the line “you’ll soon join your loved ones” is very interesting coming from Sylvanas considering she can’t just die. She can’t ever escape her suffering, even in death. She’s envious and full of rage. I don’t disagree she’s evil.. but her character arc is tragic and harrowing.

[@OWA_Freerunning]

Sylvanas, along with Illidan, and maybe Jaina, are the only characters with a somehow deep psychology. Like, they've lived through things and made conclusions out of their experiencies. They act like the characters that lived through what they have lived, and really aim a certain goal.

[@dozinggreen5824]

rosecoloredglasses ohh i never noticed that. i really appreciate that line now.

[@ancelbotha1552]

@OWA That's actually a pretty cool insight; I agree. If they hadn't used him for Legion, I think Illidan would likely have been the third Warbringers focus instead of Azshara.

[@Hypegreene05]

I agree. I like Sylvanas I really do but this was just awful. I never thought I would see her following the path of Arthas. To see Sylvanas, the former Ranger general of Quel'thalas and the leader of a Forsaken people turn from morally gray to straight evil is sad.

[@lalas3590]

Would have been much better (and added to her character) , if she said "You'll soon join your loved ones, that is a luxury that I lack."

[@Evowizard25]

"What difference is there between you and the Lich King Now?" "Isn't it obvious, Warchief? I serve the Horde." I guess things never change.

[@DeeJayLilStack]

She doesnt serve the Horde anymore.... she serves herself.

[@JohnGamingFuntime]

"isn't it obvious,Warchief? I serve the Horde." *John Cena's face appears through what looks like a tear in the video * Are you sure about that?

[@Telenil]

I facepalmed hard when I heard that quote, and even harder when I realized whoever the Warchief was at the time would accept that answer and pretend it was all right.

[@tonydanatop4912]

@@DeeJayLilStack Same thing atm sadly

[@suniara81]

@@Telenil I believe the Warchief Sylvanas was talking too was Garrosh.

[@papabeanguy]

Am I the only one that wanted to hear Sylvanas sing a song like Jaina?

[@zach6395]

papabeanguy I was hoping we got a duet from her and Mr. Menethil about the sacking of Quel'Thelas.

[@MCCreativeLegends]

yes

[@zackc3368]

I was hoping for one too, something really dark but no, she da baddie now.

[@mintkasa]

She sings the lovely "Lament of the Highborne" ingame since BC. I think that's more than enough.

[@Domedar]

Yep

[@Elserag96]

Daenerys windrunner...

[@NeilsonBuntowa]

That has nice ring to it

[@thinhvo3893]

@@dbfr2017 Sylvanas was always fantasy hitler.

[@devincampbell5007]

@@thinhvo3893 She seems more like a fusion of Vlad the Impaler and Elizabeth Bathory

[@cainyourkids]

@@devincampbell5007 Right? She wasn't a good person, but what she did, she did in protecting her people, albeit in a way that also fulfilled her vengeance. This -- this was just straight up cardboard villain.

[@TheRapGeneral1]

sylvanas is a targaryen BURN THEM ALL

[@PhryneMnesarete]

arthas would be so pleased to see how she turned out.

[@Balnazzardi]

Phryne Mnesarete Or More like laugh how she is still doing exactly what he would have done, despite not being under his control

[@PhryneMnesarete]

Balnazzardi yeah exactly, that's what I meant. the ultimate victory of an abuser is when their victims turn into abusers too.

[@thahoule7924]

inbe4 bolvar/ner'zhul dying of laughter on the frozen throne looking at sylvanas bs

[@Ellimist000]

IKR?

[@Klazyo]

a Fully powered Sylvanas would reck the strongest Arthas shape

[@andrespolanco3182]

All the mystery surrounding the burning of the Tree... for this? are you serious? Thanks again for antagonizing the Horde. I hope you have a good reason for Baine and the tauren to stay loyal after this and not leave with Saurfang.

[@ZeplaHQ]

Baine would be an excellent warchief

[@retardrdcompany]

I dont even think writers of this game know that other leaders or races exists in this game

[@Immebehindyou999]

Why shouldn't the Horde be antagonized? The core of the faction consists of uncivilized brute races, which prefer solving problems with brute force and power, ofc they are the baddies.

[@darz6012]

the horde is and always will be the antagonists

[@andrespolanco3182]

Remember the founding of Orgrimmar campaign? Admiral Proudmoore was the baddie there, not the Horde. This is what we wanted, something truly morally grey.

[@arreat1993]

🐢 A 🐢 TURTLE 🐢 MADE 🐢 IT 🐢 TO 🐢 THE 🐢 WATER 🐢

[@martinolsen007]

@@azkendarken4403 only 2 more months of torture (before shadowlands)

[@АйдоралСмертестойкий]

Well that was the most morally grey tantrum based genocide I ve ever seen. Thank you, Blizzard. Makes it so easier to sympathize with Horde. All those poor tired catapult operators with their sore hands. How dare these burning children make them work overtime!?

[@lex7484]

DONATE 1GP TO FEED THE POOR, OVERWORKED AND STARVED CATAPULT OPERATORS TODAY!

[@levelsofconcern8306]

its hard work i tell you, the trees huge required us to miss our lunch break. And the heat it produced was abysmal!

[@mrmortonblogs]

You win the internet.

[@BishtrainerTai16]

An Undead Warlord invades and destroys an Elven city, and forces one of the city's defenders to watch? Where have I seen this before?

[@abnkkbsnpako3889]

ohh history repeated

[@TheEel228]

Arthas: Yes. i am the one who is he. who did that thing to that one that was her. destroying the thing she had.

[@TsumiMegami]

OUFFF

[@ArravTwitch]

@Palestinian Queen ES IST EIN INTERNATIONALES CLIQUE

[@velkorne3885]

POETRY

[@phoenixdblack]

And here was I, expecting a plot twist.. Well, who will be our next Warchief?

[@Onionsred]

Saurfang probs

[@asurito9745]

At this point i think that we dont need another Warchief, because no matter what they will last only one expansion and die/turn evil.

[@phoenixdblack]

InoshiKenshi Certainly explains his undercity reaction of "let me die already" After all he helped to burn a city of innocents here.. And this time without Demon Blood in his vains..

[@ekenks8650]

Undead Loa Vol’jin, returned by Bwansamdi to avenge Blizzard’s waste of a richly developed character & honorable warchief

[@Husker_XIII]

Saurfang will lead us back to the Path of Honor

[@GhANeC]

The Warbringers videos are all complete works of art, in all their detail. I bow to Blizzard and whoever they rightfully commissioned to do them.

[@Venomox666]

Orc: For Honor Tauren: I love nature and i hate voilence Sylvanas: burn the tree lol Orc and Tauren: Oh boi yes master, right away master! why...

[@DisemboweII]

horde r cucks

[@shrill_2165]

As if ANY of the non-forsaken Horde races would follow Sylvannas through this after experiencing Garrosh... dumb writing.

[@jagermaster1758]

i dont think even the blood elves will approve of this

[@ayukuro1019]

Orc : we are going to kill everyone just because we are powerful and destroy ourself to be even more powerful so we can kill more people so we arent bored, cuz we have nothing else to do. Yea we will even use powers from the demons, but yea we will do that all in honor.

[@BBD1]

are all hordes white people?

[@malwick3106]

"Sylvanas is morally grey" If the writers call that grey then they need to really consider a new career choice.

[@EdBurke37]

I'm color blind and even I can tell this aint Grey.

[@pavelh756]

Man, this is new level of pitch black morale

[@Marceau.]

Edward Burke sorry but grey isn't a color

[@MrSanisun]

If this is grey, then I'd love to see their definition of morally black.

[@maxk6507]

Yeah 😕😕😕

[@chim_0]

Hmmm, i wonder why a video titled "The story of the siege of orgrimmar" is in recommended when i watched this cinematic lmao

[@TheJoshua649]

lolol.. what timing

[@Ishimada]

Because you've watched similar "propaganda" videos? Since I don't see it.

[@nikanijaka382]

LMAO

[@heoj1N]

Because sylvanas is going to end up like garrosh

[@whoosh8990]

wooow captain obvious

[@molly3857]

:( y'all really gonna burn down my childhood like that

[@pokozula]

People in BFA starting night elf, running back and forth with buckets of water till lvl 10, saving the tree lol

[@fistofram5526]

LMAO This is amazing

[@JekyViews]

Teldrassil will be intact for all characters not at level 110. I’m just heartbroken since Darnassus was the refuge of the Gilneans (I main a Worgen)! That’s the SECOND CITY SHE DESTROYS FOR US!

[@iFYMxDRKNSFALLS]

I met a RP player who ganks any horde, he was worgen. they murdered his family, his home. His RP is now justified in my eyes

[@iamlepew]

tries to gank any Horde*

[@iFYMxDRKNSFALLS]

Michael McCormick well he ganked lowbies, so ya...

[@highfive6095]

All the build up to the Teldrassil burning, and it was just Sylvannas being a stereotypical villain? Oh. Well, the art was beautiful and the voice acting was convincing. Hopefully, filling the gaps in the storyline will make it more interesting.

[@CedgeDC]

This would have been fine if it happened last week. The episodic build up is just making us wait for things that we already know happen. They've told us the ending, and then make us wait for the story to unfold, but it unfolds with no surprises. It would honestly be fine if they just told it all at once. This way however, just ends up being awkward.

[@MrGrimfacade]

Cedric Der Calousdian you didn't "know" anything everything up to this point has been wild speculation and data mining. both of which should never be trusted as concrete information.

[@CedgeDC]

Wild speculation? Wild speculation would be if we saw a screenshot of teldrassil burning, before we knew the plot of the expansion and began to guess at who did it. Blizz had already told us that Teldrassil gets burned down, and the horde did it. All the material including films and comics etc, seem to point to Sylvanas being completely evil now. She lead a campaign across Kalimdor destroying several towns. At that point, we leave the realm of wild speculation, and fall safely within the confines of common sense. They ended last weeks event hanging, but already told us what happened next. You can't expect people to be blown away, when you then reveal exactly what you told them they'd be seeing. That's all.

[@highfive6095]

I'm good with Sylvannas making the call. But making the call on a whim, just to be nasty? Takes two seconds to write that, and one second to process it. It's the World Tree, the potential for a good backstory is phenomenal. So I hope I'm missing something.

[@CedgeDC]

I honestly have no problems with what unfolded. I'm excited to see what this means for the horde, and if this means some kind of radical shift is coming (I hope so!) I just think that delivering this into small chunks of content that amount to 15 minutes of gameplay per week, is spoiling it. I would way rather have played through the whole thing in one shot last Tuesday, instead of playing through half, getting bored for a week, having the cinematic spoiled for me, then playing through another 15 mins of content only to watch it again. Cool content, poorly delivered IMO.

[@BingBangPoe]

1:42 *"Do you want to know how I got these marks?"*

[@leykosminotauros]

I liked that we saw how she got the marks under her eyes.

[@flamingotaku3462]

BATMAN!!!!!!

[@readeroftheelderscrolls]

Sylvanas: I remember a fool, that didn`t wear an armor on her belly.

[@commentator1338]

By that logic she's still a fool... lol

[@revaniter92-moviestvshowsg26]

@@commentator1338 Since some patch she has an armor on her belly xD

[@BansheeKing22]

@@revaniter92-moviestvshowsg26 only because fat whale feminists got all mad at her armor for being "too revealing"

@@BansheeKing22 It sure is because feminists got mad! Blizzard obviously cares a lot for female opinion, hence the perfectly written female characters we have nowadays :D

[@soulessENERGY]

@@BansheeKing22 I'm what many consider a feminist and I didn't ask for that.

[@jumjalalabash]

Night Elf: You cannot kill hope. Sylvanas: Hold my beer.

[@Whatastic]

jumjalalabash hold my quel'thalas ale

[@NordicFireDKK]

Bahahah XD true

[@narq5099]

Night Elf: You cannot kill hope. Sylvanas: Clearly, you haven't heard of Donald Trump.

[@LethargicGM]

Narq good job bringing up politics, jackass.

[@malibustacy5981]

Hahaha

[@brianstieve648]

It's all a big misunderstanding, "morally grey" is the name of the color pallet used to paint Sylvanas' skin tone - therefore she is still "morally grey"

[@MudkipsUseRHK]

It was a typo. They meant 'Mortuary Gray'.

irish rover you understand that that's literally only the orcs, right? Tauren, Trolls and even the Undead and Blood elves are native to Azeroth. (as native as you can call undead anyway)

[@ZlatkoTheGod]

Not even the Orcs, they were used by Sargeras when they were an invading force in Azeroth. After Thrall liberated them from the human internment camps they really only wanted a place to live, and found it in Kalimdor along with the natives there who joined them.

[@cheese4746]

renardo3333 Well not Undead since humans are sorts Titan creations and therefore not a natural lifeform on Azeroth. But literally every other Horde race besides Orcs and Undead are "homegrown"

[@raidwipe]

epic Reddit joke

[@MrSnuggleLP]

I knew it. The basic campfire would have been the perfect warchief, what a shame.

[@tungstenwall474]

But Sylvanas only just gave birth to Basic Campfire at: 3:25

[@AlexWaff]

"You can't kill hope." - "... Can't I?" It was at this momen she knew, she screwed up.

[@ralphsescon2142]

Thanks for antagonizing Sylvanas random night elf, now we don't have a tree anymore.

[@dzafarcar]

You still have Nordrassil,... and winter is coming. Horde is going to need wood for the fires. :D

[@tylersmith3139]

She was going to do it anyway.

[@Clouds23x]

A really Dark Shade of Grey.

[@gerardlacroix6015]

She skipped 49 shades lighter. *padum tss*

[@Khorzho]

Yeah, I'm going to pretty much call this one straight up black. I'm guessing they are setting up a Sylvanas/Alleria show down the likes we haven't seen before? IDK. This plot seems to be in need of some rescue though.

[@gerardlacroix6015]

They will probably duel in Nagrand until Alleria immobilize Sylvanas in a shadow hand and fry her with a shadow lightning. ... Oh, wait...

[@arbiterVito]

I miss Vol'Jin.

[@ogre7699]

Me too.

[@ทวีวะฒน์ปิยภานีกุล]

and same too

[@salamatiyam2408]

He was better then this being

[@kiskili9577]

Vol'Jin was best War-chief D:

[@WRAAEEE]

im Alliance and even i miss Vol'jin

[@LordAerono]

Burning down a city? Slaughtering countless innocents? Forcing your allies to aid you over their objections? Declaring a war on life? Well done Sylvanas. I'm honestly impressed. I did not think you had it in you. Arthas would be so proud.

[@timvanrijn8239]

Lytch daddy approved

[@alucardvampyre2869]

You commentary just made me notice the equality of their actions.

[@IsAcRafT]

Now Anyone even Nobbel87 can explain or remind me why Vol'jin choose Sylvannas as a warchief in the first place....?

[@フフウェイ]

The Loa supposedly influenced Vol'Jin into choosing Sylvanas to be the next Warchief. Could have been the Loa, or some other entity masquerading as the Loa. Regardless of that, it's unclear whether the information he received that convinced him to do that is genuine or not.

[@constrainedanacronysm1370]

My headcanon now is that Sylvanas drugged him and coaxed him into giving her power. Or that Vol'jin was told to do it by G'huun, in the guise of the loa, to do it.

[@mongo7106]

I think it was the old gods in disguise as the loa

[@whathappenedtodorcas5372]

Bwonsamdi wants his sacrifices.

[@BoroMirraCz]

When you're dying everything turns grey. He saw her in new "grey" light...

[@darkness_visible7227]

I always felt I understood Sylvanas. Destroy the Lich King, spend the unlife forced upon her to take revenge on the one who did so much harm. Then choosing to stay around afterwards to protect the people who looked to her from alliance zealots and from a warchief who viewed them as worse than cannonfodder. She did some truly horrible things in pursuit of those goals, sure, but I got it and I could see why her people followed her. The BFA cinematic and the explanation for the War of Thorns seemed to imply that she was, to a lesser extent, transferring some of that desire to protect the Forsaken at all costs to the rest of the Horde. And I was behind that. I was behind her. But...now? That was a petulant, childish act. I was hoping for a more imaginative reason for the world tree burning - a story twist beyond the obvious as we were promised - but this is somehow so much worse than if she'd planned to burn it all along. This was a spiteful, petty act. That wasn't For The Horde, that was just for her. I've always been a huge fan of the Banshee Queen. I don't think she was a good pick for Warchief, but I thought that that could have made for a good story in itself. Someone used to working in the shadows forced to lead from the front and split her focus. But what I saw here wasn't a Warchief. It wasn't even a Queen or a Ranger General. It was a child, about as far away from a complex shades-of-grey character as I could imagine. Disappointed. Very disappointed.

[@darkshadows8347]

Darkness_Visible dont worry i will still follow and worship the great queen sylvanas shes the most badass warchief ever

[@tinkerbelch1177]

I was very disappointed myself, and your comment perfectly sums up how I was feeling. I just....I just don't know anymore

[@ProvostZarakov]

So what was she supposed to do tie up a majority of her forces in a hostile city? Burning it is expediant and making the elf watch is the frosting.

[@hsjsjbxjzjs8703]

Exactly what I was thinking. Such a shame that they are destroying so cool and well written character.

[@jeremyabbott4537]

Provost Zarakov it isn't the ACT of burning the Tree but her reasoning given in the cinematic. They literally just assassinated her character.

[@ToastyPatchey]

Shameful writing. As a horde player I agreed with the tactics of holding the city hostage and using the Innocence as a shield while she transported the Azerite. But burning It down has absolutely no tactical advantage, for one thing it just turns everyone against her, even such as Saurfang.

[@jearpineda1168]

Patrick Lopes qq more horde flifth :v/

[@EyeStorrm]

Sylvanas: "Burn it!" Nathanos: "But, my Lady, our troops...!?" Sylvanas: "JUST DO IT!"

[@danielscutaru6682]

Sylvanas : you took everything away from me Arthas (paladin version) : I don't even know who you are

[@CTViewer07]

"Do it!" - Sheev Palpatine

[@zain6008]

@@danielscutaru6682 wouldn't it work better lich king version?

[@spectra5407]

@@zain6008 yes

[@ratcone6414]

Arthas in ICC after the raid has wiped for the 15th time: "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."

[@WhoIsTadhg]

How could the Horde support her? How could the shamans and druids back her? Why would the tauren (nature) back her? Where is Thrall?

[@MageGangstala]

actually if you look on the people who attack with her there are no tauren and no shamans or druids what so ever. Thrall is probably banging his wife...

[@ahmedsiddique2998]

she is good for war see she is not alive so she wont care for lives that doesnt mean she is evil its how she is :P :D:D:D::D:D

[@afestivelymauledpenguin4826]

WhoIsTadhg off being useless somewhere because his dumbass dishonored tradition and killed garrosh unfairly

[@kennethsatria6607]

I'm glad to not be the only one wondering where he ran off to... I think Baine would do good as the Warcheif...

[@afestivelymauledpenguin4826]

Kenneth Satria I feel like Baine and Lor'Thremar would be good choices. Or even Saurfang.

[@audaxaquilae6974]

Elvish lady:You cannot kill hope. Blizzard:Hold my beer! They killed hope inside me

[@Yzzami]

Mustafa Uysal no hope for that morally grey area blizzard promised us

[@drewj557]

Mustafa Uysal they killed my hope that they could write a decent story

[@renebaan7430]

Mustafa Uysal they killed my hope for this expansion.

[@gonnom2848]

Does that make Blizzard more evil than Sylvanas?

[@J0NB11O6]

YES XD

[@Lexandro92]

Soooo She wanted to take the tree...but then Miss Random Night Elf NPC made her feel bad...so she decides on a whim to burn down the whole tree. What a great leader.

[@MCPTr10Cze]

Ben L. What a great writing.

[@soulistll]

this is what happens when u let woman become leaders

[@HaloSwordKing]

It looks like she was going to do it anyway. The catapults were already in place with fire and enough range to hit the tree, she said she wanted them to lose hope before we went to darkshore too.

[@valon5069]

Ben L. Wait, haven’t we met before?

[@Dranex11]

well.. its not a random NE NPC.. Thats Captain Delaryns(spelling?)

[@meh23p]

Man, I remember when I first played in Wrath of the Lich King and made Horde alts. I was so awestruck by the character of Thrall and his role as Warchief. I was kind of regretting having started off as Alliance. "It is your duty to aid the Horde and defend our way of life. But it is also your duty to know when quarter and compassion should be extended to friend and foe alike". Nine years later, I'm just wondering who the next Warchief will be. Like Jaina and Azshara, Sylvanas is bound to become a raid boss. Probably in Thunder Bluff. It is unlikely that she will be able to come out of that without making too many enemies among the Horde leaders. Also worth noting is that TWO racial leaders joined forces with the Alliance in Nazjatar. So who's it going to be? Baine? Saurfang? Some troll? I've never understood why Thrall made Garrosh Warchief in the first place. He never seemed like he was ready for such a position at all. Just always seemed like bad writing to have Thrall make such a terrible call. It should have just been Cairne.

[@Phentari]

Uhm...yeah...so...about that "morally grey" thing. When, exactly, does Sylvanas sprout a handlebar moustache so she can twirl it and go "Nyah hah hah?" Because, at this point, that's really about the only thing missing. Let's be clear: she didn't just knowingly order the murder of a city full of innocents. She knowingly ordered the murder of a city full of innocents because she was in a snit.

[@jupiterjazz9421]

To be fair, isn't she always in a snit?

[@rmmorang2134]

she is also missing rope, a damsel, and railroad tracks

[@MegaPlayergamer]

She had done it before :l

[@Darcmagikan1]

I guess it was just one of those days you know, spilled your coffee, missed your airship, and then you come across this tree, so you just burn it down and killer everyone inside.

[@208getalife]

Don't forget the part where she already has plans to basically do the same thing to Stormwind, WITH CIVILIANS, that she was discussing in the book.