Was Hannibal Barca Black?

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@stakuyi Жыл бұрын

The short of it is in the end, be kind, be respectful, and be logical but if you could please check out my history video on Hannibal’s victory at CANNAE I would appreciate it kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooWvlGCtecqqZpo

@OffGridInvestor Жыл бұрын

There's ALWAYS people trying to make great characters of history THEIR RACE. Like the "black jesus" people saying "he could've been black! Why is ye always depicted as white". He WAS JEWISH and that's WELL KNOWN and actually very obvious IN THE BIBLE.

@nox5555 Жыл бұрын

@@OffGridInvestor yeah he was most likely white with red-brownish hair. his teachings are clearly hellenistic and there is a good chance that he looked a bit like alexander...

@DallasHarv Жыл бұрын

to the individuals who proclaim " from Africa means they are black"... I always toss them the reminder that Elon Musk is from Africa. he is literally an African American.

@tuluppampam Жыл бұрын

@@nox5555 not really white but you wouldn't consider him black More like a light brownish colour

@dywirnach783 Жыл бұрын

But we do have some Latin writings that explain the Carthaginian’s colture to the Roman’s and the facts that they didn’t make a huge distinction for their character o physiology means that they dress and act and were really similar to southern /Mediterranean (Sicily ,Greece , etc) … We need to take in consideration also that the Main colony for them were Spain and south Italy not Africa … If you mix all of this information it’s totally acceptable a white but a dark tone (after uv lamp and dark hair)or a olive skin color …

@DrDOOM-xs8jm Жыл бұрын

For some reason people don't seem to understand that Africa is HUGE and North Africans aren't the samr as South Africans.

@hectorrico7267 8 ай бұрын

So in your opinion 2 people can both be from Africa but both can't be black? Why? Based on the actual skin tone? So if an Algerian is light skinned then he is considered white?

@sid-alitelab8958 8 ай бұрын

well if he's white he's white, if he's black he's black, if he's brown he's brown, in north africa we are usually brown or white until you go to the sahara@@hectorrico7267

@tunisi-dz2tf 7 ай бұрын

im north african more specifically tunisian

@sid-alitelab8958 7 ай бұрын

@@tunisi-dz2tf khawa khawa 🇩🇿 🇹🇳

@roberto-xg6ld 7 ай бұрын

@@hectorrico7267 Bro, listen doesnt mean if your african, means your all the same skin tone. its the same of saying ur american and ur white. Look at the features of northafricans and south africans. Its a large gap between them. by face features alone they are so different. so cry to ur lefties parties

@zeppelin4876 Жыл бұрын

There's a reason historians and Anthropologists separate North Africa and Subsaharan Africa..

@PimpolloMorales Жыл бұрын

The reason is usually racism though. There are differences, but they force a divide often by denying the intense influences they had on each other. The nubians were allllll over and dont get talked abt in terms of egypt

@Will_Parker Жыл бұрын

@@PimpolloMoralesthat's just absurd and anyone who knows anything about geography or genetics knows how stupid that statement is.

@luk4s56 Жыл бұрын

@@PimpolloMorales Racism wasnt even a thing until Americans invented it.

@JoseRodriguez-bl3vt Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s strange how people nowadays can’t fathom that the massive, larger than many countries, sized desert could possibly impact movement of peoples, culture, trade, or ethnicity on either side in a pre-modern world. North Africa has had a lot more interaction with the rest of the Mediterranean, and the Middle East, than sub-sahara Africa has had. In addition the continent itself is very massive, the people are not a monolith.

@talleywa5772 Жыл бұрын

@@JoseRodriguez-bl3vt So the parts that became thriving civilizations were the ones that i teracted woth whites. Got it.

@historyfan6684 Жыл бұрын

Similar to the problem people seem to have with Cleopatra. I have had several arguments with people who insist she was black. Not only was the woman a Macedonian Greek but her family tree didn't even have any branches. I mean the Ptolemys sure believed in keeping it in the family.

@igormac9431 Жыл бұрын

macedonian. unless they were of a mixed lineage you can't say Macedonian Greek. either Greek or Macedonian two different ethnicities.

@ianmacdiarmid1249 Жыл бұрын

Well, there is some speculation about who her mother actually was. Might have been a native Egyptian

@historyfan6684 Жыл бұрын

@@igormac9431 I know I just say that to piss them both off

@als3022 Жыл бұрын

@@ianmacdiarmid1249 Still not sub Saharan though.

@historyfan6684 Жыл бұрын

@@ianmacdiarmid1249 I thought it was her grandmother but yes. Either way my joke stands, strong like a tree with no branches

@clover4925 6 ай бұрын

Anyone thinking "being from africa means black" is so damn stupid. Africa is a whole continent with a lot of very different people

@onionbajii8867 6 ай бұрын

considering the name Barca probably means 'of Barca' and barca being an ancient Greek city in North Africa, so white haha

@alihashim3855 6 ай бұрын

@@onionbajii8867Barca is Semitic word meaning "lightning" has nothing to do with the city.

@williamfrank962 6 ай бұрын

@@alihashim3855to add to this I believe he was called son of the lightning bolt which is where his name derived from.

@Boretheory 6 ай бұрын

@@williamfrank962yes his tactics relied on speed and deception which is where the name come from.

@cuongquoc5877 6 ай бұрын

It's like claiming people in Asia as just looking like Chinese when Asians are more diverse than that. Even Europeans are more than just white, with Hispanic, IndoEuro and so on

@BertzTriscut Жыл бұрын

There's also the fact that people from the Saharan area generally aren't black either. Darker skinned, sure, but people seem to think "Africa=Hershey's bar."

@OffGridInvestor Жыл бұрын

Yes. The amount who think EVERY AFRICAN is negro, when you have berber, pygmy, san, etc...

@ekamandalaputra5517 Жыл бұрын

Now you makes me want a chocolate

@alexisjuarez9858 Жыл бұрын

Same

@jonajo9757 Жыл бұрын

Lesson of the day: black, white, yellow, ect are kinda misleading when trying to generalize groups of people based on skin tone. (Some ethnic groups in Africa that we can deem "black" wouldn't consider themselves so.)

@_Its_Ya_Boy Жыл бұрын

@@ekamandalaputra5517 Now that I think about it, those Egyptians are just gold, like literally that’s their skin tone, so now I want one of those gold coin chocolates

@Pancasilaist8752 Жыл бұрын

saying that hannibal is black because he was born in Africa is like saying Elon musk is black because he was born in Africa.

@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347 Жыл бұрын

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@brianvinzant1893 Жыл бұрын

Are you saying Elon isn't black??????

@IamRayson Жыл бұрын

@@brianvinzant1893 Elon is an honorary black man given his drive to make multiple baby mommas…

@Knightshospitaller Жыл бұрын

In that case, JRR Tolkien is black because he was born in South Africa

@szadun Жыл бұрын

Elon is the richest and most successful African-American in history

@rafaelglopezroman1110 Жыл бұрын

People seriously forget there is a reason we used the term Sub-Saharan when describing black africans. North Africans are generally arabic, semite, berber, helenic or latin descent or mixed. They are not germans but certainly not Ethiopians either, in terms of skin color.

@thejoyfullad970 Жыл бұрын

Well they are caucasians, so related to the germanics with little biological differences

@TheKeksadler Жыл бұрын

(as an aside, even Ethiopians are genetically closer to the middle east than the Bantu Africans generally considered "Black")

@AM-mu2kv Жыл бұрын

Ethiopians are genetically closer to north africans than arabs from the peninsula

@rmwill7644 Жыл бұрын

@The Keksadler You should probably specify which Ethiopians you are talking about

@thejoyfullad970 Жыл бұрын

@@rmwill7644 this indeed would not go down well if he was in a room full of them

@onyxxxyno 7 ай бұрын

"He was African, he was very clearly black" tell that to Morocco 😂

@gustavju4686 5 ай бұрын

Or Tunisia (where Carthage was)

@nathanclaspell6003 5 ай бұрын

Or Egypt.

@Munthasir123 5 ай бұрын

Well Afrocentrist believes Black people used to live there but Europeans and later Muslims invaded and drove them south. So when you will point to Morocco they will say these are invaders.

@ra_alf9467 4 ай бұрын

@@Munthasir123kinda pathetic to think that the "WE WUZ KANGS N SHIETS" folks got defeated by a bunch of dudes from plague ridden muddy villages and desert nomads.

@pepenger_in_the_bushes 4 ай бұрын

@@ra_alf9467it always like that with any culture-centrist. "-We had technologies that looked like magic to those who doesn't belong to our culture. -And who destroyed your utopia? -Hobos with sticks and shit" something like that of course happened to Rome Empire, but Gots wasn't hobos at all, and Rome wasn't magic utopia either

@NorthSeaRaider Жыл бұрын

If you thought this was controversial just wait until somebody says “the Egyptians were black”

@AM-mu2kv Жыл бұрын

Egypt has always been a multi ethnic nation

@poutsovgalthsxarilaos5663 Жыл бұрын

@@AM-mu2kv yeah ofc with 95% being olive skin people and the rest being black cause of the close visinity of the kush . even in hellenistic egypt it was a very rare site to seea black man . also the very same egyptians though themselves way different thatn the kushites to the point that made very clear distinctions in their art

@ChrissieBear Жыл бұрын

@@AM-mu2kv Yes, but one of those ethnicities was "Egyptian", as in the endemic ethnicity of the area. Neither black like the people from the south nor pale like the people from the middle east, the endemic Egyptians always depicted themselves as different from both groups. Therefore they were their own ethnicity.

@AM-mu2kv Жыл бұрын

@@ChrissieBear the copts were the ruling ethnicity but no you are wrong Egypt formed 3150 B.C was formed after the union of different kingdoms, they never were a single ethnic group.

@fnansjy456 Жыл бұрын

@@AM-mu2kv the copts didn't exist back then they are just Christian Egyptian. There was a an Egyptian ethnic group .

@vicenzostella1390 Жыл бұрын

Another interesting thing about Hannibal: His war elephant might have been the last Syrian Elephant in history. For those that don't know, the Syrian elephant was the largest species of Asian elephant that survived into historic times, reaching an average height of 11.5 ft (bigger than the Indian species). Tying it back to Hannibal, his elephant was named "Surus" aka The Syrian and was known to be the largest one around. So, if this is to be believed, that makes Hannibal's elephant the last of its kind, and it went down swinging. What a badass.

@Puritan1985 Жыл бұрын

I've heard the Carthaginians used some now extinct breed of elephants but cannot recall anything more detailed about it.

@vicenzostella1390 Жыл бұрын

@@Puritan1985 It was definitely the Syrian Elephant. They probably got it through trade with the Assyrian Empire.

@jarlnils435 Жыл бұрын

@@Puritan1985the carthagian war elephant was the north african forrest elephant. The romans used them, too. It was shorter than the asian elephants.

@jamesparker2121 Жыл бұрын

The moors black people civilized Europe and taught them how to read and do math it’s documented and we did the same in America If you took away everything that blacks invented or discovered and took credit for America would still be a 3rd world country from the first successful open heart surgery, stop light, super computers, security systems,carbon filament, mobile refrigerators, internet, digital cell phone, gps, jazz, rock, the blues and more we been great

@Puritan1985 Жыл бұрын

@@jamesparker2121 Fact-checkers have debunked this.

@benjaminmclaren8782 Жыл бұрын

most people don't get that Africa is big. Like, super big. like 30 million square Kilometres big. Any continent that huge is going to be diverse with its culture, ethnicity, religion, language, everything really.

@dorktriogamer2865 Жыл бұрын

even without that size it's still really diverse, limiting yourself to Nigeria you'll find More languages than all of europe

@untitled6391 Жыл бұрын

@@dorktriogamer2865 that's misleading. There's no way languages vary in Nigeria as much as they do in Europe. Most of those "languages" are probably just dialects.

@RHR199X Жыл бұрын

@@untitled6391 not even close, some of the most common languages in Nigeria come from 3 different language families, that’s like saying Basque is probably just Spanish with an accent

@zenxel Жыл бұрын

@@untitled6391 I live in Nigeria and I have encountered about 10 different languages in the city I live in. Some languages come from a common family, which makes them easier to learn if you know a related one.

@danilooliveira6580 Жыл бұрын

also northern and middle Africa was divided by a huge fucking desert since a few thousand years ago. so most of the colonizers of north Africa were mostly a mix of Europeans and middle easterns that navigate the Mediterranean with some people from central Africa empires.

@gm6892 7 ай бұрын

Same guy probably thought cleopatra was black

@thunderman21 4 ай бұрын

We know for a fact she wasn’t as white as Elizabeth Taylor.

@matiusbond6052 4 ай бұрын

thats because cleopatra was known as black

@nielsdejong 3 ай бұрын

No, but she was still of greek royalty, so white :)

@AB45469 3 ай бұрын

She was Greek royalty@@matiusbond6052

@MkOnthaGame 2 ай бұрын

Nobody really knows for sure . We can only analyze the statues and the stuff that they built left behind . All of their statues have black features

@Bagman07 Жыл бұрын

I'm still amaze that there are people who think everyone in Africa must be black 😅

@SexyBeautifulBabe 9 ай бұрын

Only African Americans think that 😂

@dougbendo8817 9 ай бұрын

@@SexyBeautifulBabe we we know 2 people here are racist! From a genetic point of view we know Hannibal was black because he belonged to Haplogroup "E1b1b1"! Just KZbin the following What happened to the ancient Egyptians? (Part 19) The Fall of Jerusalem - A Black History Story Research Unplugged: The mutation that became white skin

@SexyBeautifulBabe 9 ай бұрын

@@dougbendo8817 black doesn’t mean African American … black doesn’t mean sub Saharan African.. you don’t see black Africans or black Caribbeans black washing other people history .. only self hating African Americans

@a_l7515 9 ай бұрын

@@dougbendo8817delusional

@johnmonteiro5825 9 ай бұрын

@@dougbendo88171. Not how hablogroups work. 2. Black is not a scientific term. 3. We dont have Hannibal’s DNA This shit just don’t fly no more

@nathanstautzenberger8381 Жыл бұрын

the classic "person from africa must be black" stereotype it's just as bad as the "all spanish people are brown" stereotype, at least here in america too many internet "geniuses" these days don't realize that the only reason central and south america are "hispanic" is because spanish speaking europeans from spain conquered those areas

@ChrissieBear Жыл бұрын

You should see how they react to white Mexicans. It's even worse.

@captaincapitalis1205 Жыл бұрын

I’m 50% Spanish and the amount of people who get my race wrong is kind of sad. I’ve had people say Latino, Arabic, and white before. We just really need to stop trying to divide ourselves by race. It means literally nothing.

@su1t0n11 Жыл бұрын

@@captaincapitalis1205 it means something! At least politicaly it does

@camiblack1 Жыл бұрын

It's almost as much fun as Saint Nicholas was Turkish because Turkey was totally a thing in the late 3rd and early 4th centuries.

@su1t0n11 Жыл бұрын

@@camiblack1 is that actually a thing ?

@pyrhusofeprius 6 ай бұрын

Afrocentrists argument… if they’re from Africa they’re black. Like people on different continents can’t look different. Big difference between South East Asia, India, and the Middle East.

@seikoellis17 5 ай бұрын

You just referenced two different things trying to make one point

@Ismail-Ibrahim841 Жыл бұрын

Even if you assume that Hannibal didn’t have any Phoenician in him, he still wouldn’t be black because people from the North African coasts are not black.

@NolanDraconis Жыл бұрын

Yes, with a bit south (not connected to coast) the Numidians, who if I am correct were more on the black side of color.

@theberserker6000 Жыл бұрын

@@NolanDraconis Numidians werent black neither, at best more tanned because most of them were desert horse riders used both by Carthage and Rome as Equestrians/Auxilari cavalry later on. In any case, the modern area of Numidia being Algeria wasnt recorded to be of dark skin coloured or even remootly described as Aethopian.

@NolanDraconis Жыл бұрын

@@theberserker6000 thank you for the correction!

@blueDes2ny Жыл бұрын

Back then they were

@evilassjitnem Жыл бұрын

@@blueDes2ny ?

@ValensBellator Жыл бұрын

There’s been a weird movement lately on KZbin claiming tons of people were “black” that historically mostly weren’t, from Roman emperors to Hannibal to the Egyptians (intermixed but distinct from their Nubian/Kushite neighbors). They all left depictions of themselves so I’m not sure how this started, but it did.

@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 Жыл бұрын

The BBC has been claiming that Roman emperors were black as well. If they were black then Rudyard Kipling was Indian and Elon musk is black

@Puritan1985 Жыл бұрын

>lately these ideas have been around for a long time. I remember hearing some from friends as a child, but if you want a comprehensive list of the nonsense, look up Hidden Colors produced by Tariq Nasheed 😂

@pencildragger Жыл бұрын

They are claiming that all black people on south America are black as well. Even claiming thst all native Americans both southern and northern are really black people.

@Puritan1985 Жыл бұрын

@@pencildragger yeah, if anyone else wants the go down the rabbit hole, look up "Dawes Roll $5 Indian" 😀

@ifo7319 Жыл бұрын

Bruh I’ve heard them claim the Irish were actually black 😂😬. The Irish. It’s a whole ideology that everyone important in history, whether it be European, Asian, American Indian, or North African were all actually sub-saharan black. Meanwhile there is actual black history that is ignored-so it’s not actually even necessary to claim and steal other culture’s history.

@talibbeyal-morokech5568 Жыл бұрын

As a Moroccan-American - I know how Hannibal feels 😅 One day my Puerto Rican friends asked why I don’t speak Spanish… told them I’m not Latino/Hispanic and was never taught it… amazed and confused they asked - “wait… then what are you..?” as I’m clearly not white/European either…. I tell them I’m Moroccan… “Morocco..? That’s in Africa right..?? So you’re black then..???” 😂 African..? - Yes absolutely rep the continent..✊🏽 Black..? - probably mixed in there somewhere.. but No… Like Stakuyi mentioned - North Africa has ALWAYS been a massive ethnic melting pot, from the time of the Phoenicians to the Arab invasions.. so we can come in every shade of color honestly… can’t be certain, but I like to think Hannibal looked like me - swarthy olive/brown with a big black bushy beard 😅

@victorhugofranciscon7899 Жыл бұрын

If someone saw me, the person would say that I am European not someone from South America, stereotypes are so misleading.

@Sandycheeks6699 Жыл бұрын

@@victorhugofranciscon7899 I feel that for sure, I'm half white from my mom and half black and Puerto Rican from my dad. I can pass for white or Hispanic, but nobody believes that I'm a quarter black lol

@anonymous3479 Жыл бұрын

@@victorhugofranciscon7899 cuz south american are european not all tho

@thefoolishgenius4160 Жыл бұрын

Speak your Truth 🕊️ ❤️

@blainekennedy Жыл бұрын

Oh shameless self hype at the end there, nice -jealous beardless guy

@curiosityman1194 7 ай бұрын

He was Albanian. We all are.

@johnmonteiro5825 7 ай бұрын

You jest but Albanians founded modern Egypt and likely Turkey

@superdevton1137 7 ай бұрын

Red and black I dress eagle on my chest

@DM-qj7eh 6 ай бұрын

wrong he was serbian. serbians are the founders of civilisation

@diehounderdoggenalt 6 ай бұрын

Tupac Shakur best Serbian rest in piss forever I miss

@angryinternetperson6629 5 ай бұрын

No, he was actually Croatian. Just like Jesus.

@elmersbalm5219 Жыл бұрын

The Sahara desert is a big fat border. In contrast, the Mediterranean sea was a big fat highway. Guess which communities intermingled the most.

@TheHardCore89 9 ай бұрын

Wrong! The Sahara desert didn’t look like the desert it is nowadays. There were many more sources of fresh water and vegetation wasnt as scarse.to cross the mediterranean sea you would still need to be able to build big ships to cross it so that makes it a barrier just like or even more than the Sahara. This being said we know hannibal’s brothers and father looked like, thanks to the cartheginian coins that depicted them. Having a correct depiction of a ruler was very important, as it was one of the very few ways for people to identify them when seen in public. Personally i don’t understand why we don’t have stories from netflix about Massinissa, Who was allied to Carthage during the second Punic war, and was very probably black…since he came from a southern region of the Carthaginian empire… he was a great ruler and important figure at the time, yet those entitled, money hungry cretins at the platform aren’t able to do any friggin research so we’ll find ourselves to believe in some pseudo historical capitalistic bs… as it always is when Americans get involved in history portraying..

@FrshJurassicPrnceYA 9 ай бұрын

@elmersbalm5219 You guys are not bright at ALL! 😆😆

@johnmonteiro5825 9 ай бұрын

@@FrshJurassicPrnceYAhe’s correct

@johnmonteiro5825 9 ай бұрын

@@TheHardCore89yeah if we go 8000 years back

@TheHardCore89 9 ай бұрын

@@johnmonteiro5825 not even that much… I’m not talking jungle but oasis were much more frequent than we’re used to think

@pohiena2666 Жыл бұрын

I always fascinated when people try to correct someone's “actual” ethnicity only to be more wrong. Edit: to be clear I am referring to the guy responded not Stakuyi.

@thiccdaddy5691 Жыл бұрын

It’s usually black people playing the victim card

@nuraby_9228 Жыл бұрын

@@thiccdaddy5691 or incel whitebois like yourself xd

@PEDRELVIS Жыл бұрын

@@thiccdaddy5691 Actually no, usually are white people in PC culture.

@LockMatch Жыл бұрын

@@thiccdaddy5691Jesus enters the chat

@JayJayM57 Жыл бұрын

@@thiccdaddy5691 Generally speaking a lot of historical figures got their race and gender-swapped by Europe culture. the best example is Jesus. he got whitewashed hard.

@uchihaamar4024 Жыл бұрын

Dear African - Americans Northern Africans aren't black .

@jwil4286 Жыл бұрын

Aren’t Northern Africans more like Middle Easterners?

@friendlysperg1372 Жыл бұрын

@@jwil4286 Yes. Arabs and Berbers mainly, and mixtures of the two. Distinct from the 4 or 5 main sub-saharan genetic groups.

@aoki6332 Жыл бұрын

@@friendlysperg1372 yeah people love to see africa as a black continent yet forget that north africa was a crossroad for a lot of Empire and culture from the Greeks settler to the later migration of German tribe to the arab conquest north africa is as diverse as eastern Europe before the slav took power

@zakback9937 Жыл бұрын

@@aoki6332 Not even one bit as diverse as Europe lmao, majority of it those settlers were minority or cleansed off ever since the times of the Natufians and Early European Farmers

@dontembarassyourself Жыл бұрын

some of them are tho. Nubians for example. and historically all of Africa was black it was only when empires like the Phoenicians and Berbers return to Northern Africa did that change

@cloroxbleach9222 6 ай бұрын

Shit, even if Hannibal were a dark-skinned Numidian he STILL wouldn't be black (as in Sub-Saharan) but Berber. These people need to promote Nubia and Aksum instead rather than trying to claim North Africa as black.

@FediKaroui 2 ай бұрын

He is not numidian he is carthagian(tunisian)

@cloroxbleach9222 2 ай бұрын

@@FediKaroui my comment is about a scenario if Hannibal were an indigenous African, eg the Berber Numidians, since, like you said, Hannibal is a Carthaginian, descendent of the Phoenician colonists

@4kGambit 2 ай бұрын

This guy gets it.

@Qmunna-c2j 2 ай бұрын

There are black Berbers also

@TreShotoutcuh Ай бұрын

He is a Phoenician Canaanite, who were "dark skin ppl"

@evilpellu Жыл бұрын

I think we’re all missing the most important point here, it being that the DNA reconstructions show that the phoenicians looked like Weird Al Yankovic

@borjaslamic Жыл бұрын

Ok, but I think I remember looking up Weird Al's heritage once one quarter English, one quarter Italian, one quarter Croatian and one quarter Slovene. So yeah, three quarters more or less Mediterranean, so makes sense

@rahmakacem2209 Жыл бұрын

Hanno the Navigator ( who is hannibal's younger brother) called Africans below Carthage "Gorillae" when he explored the western coast of africa. If hannibal was black, he wouldn't call them that.

@Greebo-ne1sc Жыл бұрын

@@rahmakacem2209no gorillae was where the name for gorillas comes from as it is thought he was describing a gorilla not Africans

@alexnovak2669 Жыл бұрын

That makes sense. I can definitely see Weird Al riding an elephant into battle.

@Reaper-bd9bl Жыл бұрын

I saw it too, thank God I'm not the only one lol

@Spacey_key Жыл бұрын

my favourite twitter comment was when some guy posted how Roman Emperors might have look, one guy asked "Why you made them all white" and somebody responded "because life is not netflix" PS: Just because someone is from Africa doesn't mean he is black, that's quite racist stereotype

@oscarandreas1431 Жыл бұрын

This is great

@IbrahimservantofAllah Жыл бұрын

Netflix sure loves black washing history

@oscarandreas1431 Жыл бұрын

@@IbrahimservantofAllah i mean do they? i just thought this was funny

@IbrahimservantofAllah Жыл бұрын

@@oscarandreas1431 yeah they're notorious for it, not just netflix all of hollywood Black Vikings black Joan of Arc black Zeus black Julius caesar ect ect its everywhere, its just stupid like having a white dude star as Shaka Zulu or Frederick Douglass in a movie its just disrespectful.

@oscarandreas1431 Жыл бұрын

@@IbrahimservantofAllah yeah

@marcusreading3783 Жыл бұрын

It says something about the simplistic mindset of people that they cant grasp the fact that not everyone in Africa has the same skin colour. Hell, even in Europe, thats not the case and I'm pretty sure that Europe is smaller than Africa.

@happydemon3038 Жыл бұрын

Well the most important size is the tallness of the continent. Europe is more wide than tall, while Africa is a tall boi. That's a lot of different intensities of sunlight, which creates pressure for different skin tones.

@delanovanraalte3646 Жыл бұрын

Way smaller

@bigfatchubbybritboy9445 Жыл бұрын

You could comfortably fit all of Europe into the Sahara Desert. And that's just one part of Africa.

@rahmakacem2209 Жыл бұрын

Hanno the Navigator ( who is hannibal's younger brother) called Africans below Carthage "Gorillae" when he explored the western coast of africa. If hannibal was black, he wouldn't call them that.

@VG_164 Жыл бұрын

@@happydemon3038 Europe has the tallest ethnicities on earth (Balkan and north Germanics) and Africa has among the shortest. In fact just a very few selected ethnicities in Africa are tall. The vast majority are relatively short. In fact Africans are so genetically diverse that east Africans are genetically closer to most Europeans than west africans.

@laxusdreyar7838 Жыл бұрын

In college I made friends with a Tunisian exchange student. So many people used to be "shocked" when they found out he was African. They use to tell that his parents most probably immigrated there and that he is not African, because Africans are black. He had a very frustrating year.

@maroda8094 Жыл бұрын

Tunis is one of the most mixed areas in africa. The Phoenicians ( which are from the levante Region), Roman (italian), the Vandals (germanic tribe), arabs (during the arab invasion) and turkic people, french People assume that the original people of that area are berber, but the majority are mixed and probably more arab than anything else

@kavky Жыл бұрын

Muricans really think all of Africa is Sub-Saharan Africa.

@chakir348 Жыл бұрын

@@maroda8094 NO NOT ARAB THAN ANYTHING MORE BERBER THAN ANYTHING AND THE BACK LIGARTION HAPPEND IN THE PALEOLITHIC AND THE NEOLITHIC NORTH AFRICANS ARE MAINLY FROM NEOLITHIC NORTH AFRICANS A COMBONATION OF ANATOLIAN FARMERS AND IBEROMAURUSIANS DUMB MOTHER F..ERS SHOULD LOOK AT THE GENTIC STUDIES ON THE REGION INSTEAD OF IGNORING THEM

@maroda8094 Жыл бұрын

@@chakir348 yeah but still they are pretty mixed

@rawentn7016 Жыл бұрын

Lol Tunisia is Tunisia from over 4000 years before even blacks layed legs in Africa.. please Google where Africa name came from.. we named the whole continent and blacks were coming as slaves to Tunisia educate yourself plz this is facts vs your feelings

@baconatorva 7 ай бұрын

White doesn’t just mean blonde hair and blue eyes or Western European features. Olive skinned Sicilians are white, Alexander The Great was white, curly red haired Jordanians are white, the entire Ptolemaic dynasty was white, etc.

@Yanzdorloph 6 ай бұрын

I don't think it works like that, in the middel east and north africa, ppl may look white but they are not, in the same family 2 siblings one could be very whte and the other tan and women tend to be much more light skined than the men(ofc it depends on the region and families) but that's generaly the norm. so how can a jordanian light skined be white and his own brother from the same father and mother is not ?

@Heidelmann 6 ай бұрын

Or we just stop using white/black as a category. What does it serve in these contexts. All it seems to be doing is claiming ownership over past empires and achievements to fuel the ego of modern identities.

@DehydratedDarkness 6 ай бұрын

@@YanzdorlophRacially speaking, Arabs and Indians are white, no nwed to go on tangents

@Yanzdorloph 6 ай бұрын

@@DehydratedDarkness no, white means western European. arabs are arabs even if they look white, and indians are indians they are as far from white as subsaharan africans, only link they have with Europe is an obscure thousands of years old dead language that has 100000 more link to Persian than any indian language

@ChristoffRevan 6 ай бұрын

@@YanzdorlophGet it through your skull - colour is irrelevant in this conversation, it's about ethnic roots. Caucasians are from Europe, Semitics are from the Middle East. It's not that hard to understand...thus, even "olive" skinned people or different "shades" in Europe are European, because they're Caucasian... regardless if some look similar to Semitics

@DimitteIllis Жыл бұрын

Carthage was a Phoenician colony. Phoenicians were from the middle East, so he probably looked middle eastern

@danilooliveira6580 Жыл бұрын

but its very hard to say how exactly Phoenicians looked like at the time, specially because of Macedonian influence.

@danilooliveira6580 Жыл бұрын

@Tacidian you really can't... modern day Tunisia is heavily influenced by Roman, greek, middle eastern, even mongol and scandinavian to a much lesser extent. half of it happened only after the punic wars...

@aldrinmilespartosa1578 Жыл бұрын

@@danilooliveira6580 english a bit too, which the crusades and stuff

@powerflumi Жыл бұрын

Which says little in itself, because middle easterners look incredibly different depending on the region. Starting with the more european looking Persians, Lebannese and ending with the dark skinned eastern Arabs. Thats like saying someones looks European. Which can mean olive skinned dark haired spanish/greek. Olive skinned blond haired Italians, Pale Blond Scandinavians etc etc

@markbaker4425 Жыл бұрын

@@powerflumi the middle east is so diverse. Look at afghanistan. The people there range from dark skinned arab people to people who are white with blonde hair.

@Haythem93465 Жыл бұрын

As a born and bread Tunisian, we are not black, we are not white and we are not middle eastern. We are simply north african and our ancestry in that land dates as far back as history itself.

@Sara-dv2nj 11 ай бұрын

Aren't you tired of fuc*ers claiming your history and disregarding the actual population of Tunisia to get to speak their narrative? The audacity

@stevencorrea8032 11 ай бұрын

After the Moroccan earthquake and Libyan flood how many are you left?

@OctopusH2O 9 ай бұрын

Then why do you act like full blown arabs ?

@Sara-dv2nj 9 ай бұрын

@@OctopusH2O Because , like any region surrounding the mediterranean , our history is rich and complicated and filled with migrations . But before Islam , no one in north Africa spoke Arabic , yet the overwheliming majority wasn't black ( and they either spoke Latin African , Tamazight or Punic language ..) you can already see how each 'migration' left it's mark on the local population . The local population itself , when you go back 12.000 years ago is also mixed , with Iberomaurosians ( who are also mixed ANA which is a local north African type , and Dzudzuana which is a caucasion type) and Anatolian farmers . So since thousands of years ago , north Africa had tight connections to the middle east, while developping it's own identity and culture .Now with the migrations of Arabs after the spread of Islam ( after berbers embraced the religion ) there were many alliances and intermixing with Arabs , for instance , in my country Tunisia most of us are descendants of these alliances , so there's no way you can trace your heritage back to one tribe ( it also helps that the Amazighs and Arabs were so smiliar , both desert people , both tribe oriented..etc and as i've already mentioned that all people across MENA are genetically and unknowingly culturally connected ! ) that eased the Arabs' fusion with the local population , eased the learning of the language ( also the spoken punic across some parts of north Africa also helped with the spread of the language , being a semitic language itself), and eventually created a new identity that most north Africans embraced which is the Arab identity and now have their own blend of Arab-Amazigh culture. That being said , millions of Amazighs still speak their language and keep their own identity untouched . Also copts and other small ethnicities . All of this to tell you that identity , ethnicity and race are not as simple as black or white . It is shaped through many many migrations and historic events , and the mediterranean and north Africa in particular had tons of that .

@skylinelover9276 9 ай бұрын

30% of Tunisian men belongs to J2 DNA Haplo group Wich are Phoenicians origin

@aldrinmilespartosa1578 Жыл бұрын

Saying hannibal was black because he lives in africa is like saying Gandhi is Chinese because he lives in Asia.

@nikicarrie4071 Жыл бұрын

Lol I just said that !!

@MadHeadzOz Жыл бұрын

Fantastic analogy. Sadly it'll likely be lost on the people who could benefit the most from it.

@dingdongdickweed6288 Жыл бұрын

Or saying that Ghandi was black, because he lived in South Africa for a while. ;)

@dingdongdickweed6288 Жыл бұрын

@@dablaccseaproductions5279 Nobody said he was "pale", though. He was of Levantine descent, like most Phoenencians. He would've been an olive-skinned Mediterranean like a Palestinean.

@cobicobi6417 Жыл бұрын

Black and white when it pertains to classifying humans is wrong. European slave traders stated black slaves were Cannanites and that is why they were being enslaved. Hannibal was a Phoenician thus a Cannanite.

@jvniperrr 6 ай бұрын

One thing people really fail to recognize is that Rome really only saw "race" as being one of two things; Roman, or Not Roman. Skin color was about as unimportant and innocuous to them as hair or eye color would be to most people, so that's why we don't really have all that many clues to that sort of thing when it comes to historical figures around that time.

@docomega7862 6 ай бұрын

Not only romans, but also many greeks (to the point they wouldn't even recognize greeks from other city states than their own as being greek). Now, I haven't studied every single historical source. But as far as I've seen, the concept of race as we understand it now is fairly recent. Most civilizations in antiquity were empires or showed imperialist behavior, so multi ethnicity and culture was pretty standard

@caiptainawesome807 6 ай бұрын

I dont think this is necessarily true because of documents written by Vitruvius, the historia Augusta, Plato, and potentially even the old testament.

@reinertgregal1130 5 ай бұрын

Wasn't there a dude so black in one of emperors's armies that they kicked him out because they thought he would bring them bad luck in battle?

@caiptainawesome807 5 ай бұрын

@@reinertgregal1130 It wasn't because he was so black and he wasn't kicked out. The Emperor came across the black legionary (maybe auxiliary) and was so shocked that he had him removed from sight during the duration of his stay. The Emperor was raised in Syria, which indicates that black people were not as common as some claim.

@erreryhj 9 ай бұрын

Afrocentrics when they find out that not everyone living in Africa is black: 😧😨😱🤯🤯

@CNNBlackmailSupport 6 ай бұрын

They literally believe everyone was black, so this is no different. They believe the Egyptians were black AND the Jews they enslaved. - "Let my people go!" Black Moses said to black Pharoah.

@neroatlas9121 6 ай бұрын

@@CNNBlackmailSupport originally the jews were refugees from canaan, in modern day israel.

@dyekage5409 6 ай бұрын

@@CNNBlackmailSupportwell the afrocentrist would say there are only black Egyptians and Jews, while that’s not true there are black Egyptians and black Jews

@angryinternetperson6629 5 ай бұрын

They believe ancient Jews were black, Egyptians, Spartans, Romans, Japanese samurai, vikings, every European inventor of anything relevant ever etc... All of them were black, apparently. It's crazy, blacks supposedly invented everything in every place BUT Africa, which has always been conquered by others. Literal we wuz kangs complex.

@MalevolentKing-sm4km 5 ай бұрын

@@angryinternetperson6629totally inaccurate

@jehut2k10 Жыл бұрын

The commenter is like that one guy who asks why they got a white guy to play an Egyptian in a movie and someone responds "that's Rami Malek. He is Egyptian". They think all of Africa was just one single race.

@kevingreen650 Жыл бұрын

Just so we're clear, every group that has ever walked the earth walked out of black Africa. The entire globe was populated with dark skinned people at one time, including neanderthals.

@andreidarie4076 Жыл бұрын

@@kevingreen650 the out of Africa theory has more holes in it that Swiss cheese and has been debunked. We have evidence of different hominid species, not just Neanderthals, originating from outside of Africa. Different species but with enough genetic similarity that they could interbreed.

@kavky Жыл бұрын

@@kevingreen650 I don't think it was black Africa at that point.

@dutchvanderlinde8900 Жыл бұрын

@Kevin Green that is beyond historically ignorant.

@williamjenkins4913 Жыл бұрын

@@kevingreen650 That has nothing to do with this conversation though.

@MegaKnight2012 Жыл бұрын

When I went to a King Tut exhibit, there was a lot of artwork of his enemies, many Nubian, some of them ginger, who were likely Phoenician, and if Hannibal was of similar Phoenician descent, he also could have been a ginger. King Tut was an African, but that didn't make him as dark-skinned as his Nubian enemies, of whom there was much artwork of in Tut's tomb.

@generalsagmandia8239 Жыл бұрын

What exactly does that have to do with being a black African though? There are plenty of black Africans who are darker or fairer. Khoisan are quite fair. They are not African? Some west Africans are more fair like the Igbos or Fulani. There was also much artwork showing King Tut as who he was, a black African.

@jarrettlowery2802 Жыл бұрын

@@generalsagmandia8239 the ancient Egyptians were more related to amazigh people than to black Africans

@MegaKnight2012 Жыл бұрын

@@generalsagmandia8239 Where? The aforementioned exhibit was artwork taken directly from Tut's tomb, and he wasn't as black as his Nubian enemies, some of whom were depicted on Tut's sandals so he could always be walking on them. He hated his Nubian enemies, so why do people want him to be black? That's like wanting Ku Klux Klan members to be black.

@SmarterThanAll Жыл бұрын

@@generalsagmandia8239 please stop interchangeably using African and black as if they mean the same thing. They do not.

@kona9255 Жыл бұрын

@@generalsagmandia8239not everyone who’s African is black. You don’t have that monopoly. How arrogant and ignorant at the same time.

@anujsaxena2861 6 ай бұрын

So basically Hannibal Barca was neither black nor white, but was brown!! 😅😅😅 This is such a simple solution to this whole debate!

@emopanther8454 Жыл бұрын

I always figured he was olive skinned like a darker Berber

@nicknmm09 Жыл бұрын

Yeah analyzing extant carthaginian statues researchers can tell that most of them were painted with reddish brown skin tones ( by looking at remaining fragments that havent been completely destroyed by time). And then we have the Severan tondo which you can look at online today it's still in pretty good condition where the emporer who was from a ethnically punic community has a brown skin tone. And I don't believe it's due to intermixing because the punic community was tightly knit especially severus's family I mean for goodness sake he was embarrassed by his family because all they spoke was punic dialects, where as Latin and Greek were the respectable languages in the empire. However it should be noted that Severus despite being the same ethnicity as Hannibal was born hundreds of years later so it's not conclusive proof but It's pretty good evidence of how he mightve looked. A dark brown color nor black.

@madness8897 Жыл бұрын

Aye, always imagined him like the Napolitan or sicilians in color, being kind of from the same ancestral stock of greek/phoenician colonizers.

@AlexKS1992 Жыл бұрын

Or some modern day Arabs.

@noonespecial9704 Жыл бұрын

@@madness8897 Yeah, despite what many think, most ethnicities in the Mediterranean region all have similar features due to where they grew up

@BountyFlamor Жыл бұрын

@@noonespecial9704 Makes sense. Same general latitude.

@thomasvertommen9526 Жыл бұрын

Ironic. People who aggressively demand for more diversity don't get that Africa isn't just "black people continent".

@FrenchLightningJohn Жыл бұрын

because those same people are racist themselves

@jart1984 Жыл бұрын

what do you mean that a huge continent like africa would hold many different cultures and ethnicities over millenia like any other continents?? 😠😠😠😠

@boohoo4248 Жыл бұрын

Exactly they are brain dead

@toomanymarys7355 Жыл бұрын

Nor do they understand that not all dark skinned people are Bantu. They had a Bantu woman play a Hadza heroine in a recent movie, and American blacks pretended it was about them. Phenomenally offensive. The Bantu were enemies and oppressors of the Hadza. Most American blacks are Bantu.

@dingleberry4234 Жыл бұрын

@@toomanymarys7355 was it Woman King? I didn’t watch it but I do know about it

@tonymouannes Жыл бұрын

People miss the fact that north africans aren't black. The picture you used for hannibal is pretty realistic. Being lebanese myself, I've seen many people who look like that. Also tunisians who live in the same area he lived in, could also look like that. It's true that we can't really guess his skin tone, but that depiction is very plausible. Also people should stop turning everything into racism.

@AM-mu2kv Жыл бұрын

Carthage was Phoenician not Tunisian and rome killed all their people and berbers range in colour look at people from the sahel

@thetreelander7378 Жыл бұрын

Ah but western politics has been infected with what are you plague so that's not going away for like another 50 odd years.

@gorlab9549 Жыл бұрын

@@AM-mu2kvRome enslaved most of Carthage, the city was razed and its lands were “salted” a belief that putting salt on the land would stop crops from growing. Carnage continued being used as a port by Rome and was eventually built up into a trade hub again. The Roman’s were not stupid, they had already spent centuries claiming all of Italy and cementing the republics position. They did not just kill every Carthaginian in sight, in fact. Rome put them to work, rebuilding the very home that they had just destroyed.

@NikoBellaKhouf2 Жыл бұрын

@@AM-mu2kv Saying they killed everyone is an extreme exaggeration. DNA from the people of today tells us that the ancient peoples didn't go extinct

@AM-mu2kv Жыл бұрын

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 ancient tunisians were berber phonecians were from the levant so they werent the majority

@sammckissock 4 ай бұрын

I never thought about Hannibal's skin color, but he definitely had a beard... I refuse to budge on this no matter how wrong i may be.

@TheTwilight1924 Жыл бұрын

Stupid how people racialize history, like we’re not “black people” our skin is very different from the color black. And, there’s many different races of us Africans, just like Caucasian’s have Latin, English Scandi etc

@pretzelmaker3122 Жыл бұрын

Stupid how people don't know the difference between race and ethnicity. But whatever Hannibal was, we don't really need to confirm.

@TheTwilight1924 Жыл бұрын

@@pretzelmaker3122 same difference

@DeathbatOfSpades Жыл бұрын

Latin people are predominantly descended from Asia fun fact. Obviously there’s European lineage from colonizers (mostly spain) but that could be said for any ethnicity nowadays.

@TheTwilight1924 Жыл бұрын

@@DeathbatOfSpades exactly

@OffGridInvestor Жыл бұрын

There's A FEW different Africans. Many tribes but people ASSUME all negro. But there's san, pygmy, etc etc.

@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Жыл бұрын

That's not even mentioning environmental factors, possible birth defects, whether or not he wore makeup. Its hard depicting what someone from 2000 years ago looked like, surprisingly

@danilooliveira6580 Жыл бұрын

that depends, a lot of them have... possibly kinda, maybe a little flattering... realistic sculptures and historical descriptions. others we have basically nothing. like we don't even know how ethnically varied were the scandinavian vikings, and they were at their peak a bit more than 1000 years ago.

@knighthunter1791 Жыл бұрын

Well if they were to make a sculpture of me, I'd prefer they have my appearance in my prime.

@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Жыл бұрын

@@knighthunter1791 true, but given what happened to carthage.... Eh.... Even if they did, there'd be issues with the evidence

@irenaveksler1935 Жыл бұрын

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231yeah Carthage got destoryed and I think rome destroyed some Hannibal things

@nathanclaspell6003 5 ай бұрын

It's pretty easy when they leave beyond paintings, sculptures, and reliefs that portray their physical characteristics.

@gutspraygore Жыл бұрын

I love it when people shit bricks when I say that Elon Musk is one of the most successful African-Americans in history. Of course, I'm being glib, but history is full of conquest and mingling of culture.

@Vortex-7358 Жыл бұрын

one of the few contenders i can think of off the top of my head would be mansa musa if you going off wealth alone. but yeah hes elon is one of the most

@behemoth9543 Жыл бұрын

Might also have something to do with Elon Musk being mostly known for fucking shit up and profiting off being able to generate massive amounts of hype rather than actually generating much of value to anyone else nowadays

@d.esanchez3351 Жыл бұрын

@@behemoth9543 I think the comment was about the "African American" part of Elon. Probably. You know, because the video was about race and geography and not about the entrepreneurial life of Hannibal and so

@d.esanchez3351 Жыл бұрын

I envy how confident some black history defenders claim everything that was maybe in Africa was black... I would say then, Guillermo del Toro is Mexican, so he was probably exactly like Moctezuma. Wait... I'm Mexican and kinda white-ish... I can't use white-guilt to force an historical view that favors the oppressed :c Oh yeah also, and that goes for whites too... There are... Colors you know? Like. I'm not exactly white, cause I'm not totally Caucasian. And there's people here with darker skin color than some black Americans I've seen. I think we should call the Phoenicians not... White, but like... Middle eastern. Cause black is for subsaharian Africans and white is for Europeans so... I don't think it help to segregate everyone for what extreme looks more like. But whatever. Is complicated. Let's just not be racist and we will understand.

@irenaveksler1935 Жыл бұрын

@@Vortex-7358Mansa Musa is also American and African? Wow I didn’t know he was in American

@jamesmcelroy5830 5 ай бұрын

Hannibal was a Carthaginian. He was very much a white Caucasian. Whites are INDIGENOUS too North Africa going back into the Pleistocene era. Tens of thousands of years. Whites are also INDIGENOUS to the Middle East. The Aryans of Anatolia “Turkey” go back over ten thousand years that we know of. Arabs and blacks didn’t live anywhere near there until the Muslim invasions starting in the 7th century AD. The year 632 AD if I’m not mistaken. These internet historians aren’t too bright.

@roguerangerroger Жыл бұрын

"he's black, and im black. Therefore his success is my success." *Plays autistic noise*

@benbanned1381 9 ай бұрын

“Dey is My peepoe” as their REAL ancestors sold them into slavey for a musket with one bullet no powder. I hate it when people moronically try and rewrite history and blatantly ignore when the get caught or called out and discredited. God it reminds me of the stupid whole black pharaoh movement where a bunch of inner city black people claim they come from pharaohs because Egypt is in Africa therefore the current Egyptians are fakers who stole our land and gold (piggybacking of the sikari Hebrew isrialites with the same logic) and the demands that Egypt it’s land and all its money and everything be given to black people as reparations (you can guess how long that lasted before they were laughed out of everywhere) And that’s where those memes came from

@FrshJurassicPrnceYA 9 ай бұрын

@roguerangerroger You guys are the type to judge an entire race based on the deeds of a few. So your statement is very ironic!

@RyanG0899 9 ай бұрын

@@FrshJurassicPrnceYAWe judge based on the actions of the majority.

@FrshJurassicPrnceYA 9 ай бұрын

@RyanG0899 So the majority of black peoples are bad? Just out here in the open with your racism.

@reharl4953 9 ай бұрын

@@FrshJurassicPrnceYA OPs comment really hit a nerve, didn't it?

@ucminhvo295 Жыл бұрын

Hannibal Barca was Carthaginian, the Carthaginian were people who originated from the Levant, they have similar ethnic make up like the Phonecian so they would look like people from the Levant not Sub Sahara Africa.

@matiusbond6052 11 ай бұрын

YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO as modern media often does on this subject.The indeginous black people of Lebanon,many are still there today.Lebanese HAVE NO HISTORY IN ANCIENT AFRICA, JUST LIKE MODERN ARABS NEVER EXISTED IN ANCIENT AFRICA. THE BLATANT IGNORANCE EXHIBITED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU ON THIS SUBJECT IS ABHORANT.

@programmerdave9893 Жыл бұрын

Surprisingly few photographs survive from that time period.

@JH-lk8tm Жыл бұрын

I wonder why 🤔

@Sara-dv2nj 11 ай бұрын

@dragonofthewest8305bibiboubou . Hannibal and Carthaginians and as matter of fact the entirety of north Africa was never ever black . Were there black people ? Sure maybe . Were they minority , 100% .

@freemarley639 9 ай бұрын

Algerian Rock Art - earliest depicted NA population, black with some white

@dritanbakiaj4416 8 ай бұрын

@@JH-lk8tmyeah sure keep making excuses because doesnt fit your narrative.

@Stevandoren1003 8 ай бұрын

😂😂

@gumybo 4 ай бұрын

“If you’re from Africa, then like why aren’t you black?”

@BarlasofIndus Ай бұрын

Because not every African is mega?

@void-creature Жыл бұрын

The main thing to remember is that categories like "black" or "white" are completely arbitrary and don't have a set border between them.

@ragnkja Жыл бұрын

And most Mediterranean peoples are somewhere between those extremes.

@andrew-paulclements1502 Жыл бұрын

Well, Race is arbitrary and meaningless, but Black is an actual ethnic group. Historically, White used to have a meaning, a very racist meaning based in Anglo-Germanic chauvinism mind you, but a meaning. That eventually faded away as more and more groups got lumped into it as Anglo-Americans and British culture became less and less influential in the United States. Now it's a catch all for a hundred different Euro-American communities. Black on the other hand started out being entirely arbitrary (cause lumping all Africans into the category of "black" basically makes no genetic or cultural sense) until it eventually evolved into an actually functioning Ethnic descriptor for the descendants of enslaved African Americans. Like, you can say "Black Culture" and it would be referring to Black Americans and their unique cultural and linguistic traditions and heritage, excluding those of Africa and other communities within African diaspora.

@illegal.anglo88 Жыл бұрын

White europeans are actually extremely distinct and only come from 3 different haplogroups. So it is pretty fair to categorize all western and northern europeans as white.

@andrew-paulclements1502 Жыл бұрын

@@illegal.anglo88 I think there is a word for that already... oh right, European.

@LordTelperion Жыл бұрын

@@andrew-paulclements1502 We're all a little Roman.

@Scudboy17 Жыл бұрын

I have a good friend from South Africa and she happens to be white. She's had had people on several occasions call her a liar when she says she's an African. Which she is. It's amazing the lengths people will go to avoid cognitive dissonance. Not everyone fits into nice neet predefined boxes.

@Falloutlover1011 Жыл бұрын

I mean, generally white South Africans don’t have any actual African ancestry. They’re the descendants of colonizers. So they aren’t African in any way beyond nationality.

@WoofyMcDoodle Жыл бұрын

She is not ethnic African tho just a migrant from Europe. Just like a black person can be German or French.

@diddlypoop Жыл бұрын

@@WoofyMcDoodle well if you want to get technical there's no such thing as an ethnic African since African isn't an ethnicity.

@antiochus87 Жыл бұрын

Would these same people call a black or white American a liar too?

@neongenesisevangelion587 Жыл бұрын

@@WoofyMcDoodle If she was born in an African country, that by definition means, she is a citizen of that country. You can’t call her a migrant she didn’t immigrate there she was born there!

@aubade_1 Жыл бұрын

One thing I really don't like is that these kinds of comments fall into a silly dichotomy of "white" or "black" which are both gross overgeneralizations to begin with and a huge disservice to the diversity of the ancient world. Also, they often just ignore the existence of Mediterranean and Arabic peoples by grouping them into the other arbitrary categories.

@krankarvolund7771 Жыл бұрын

Why the diversity of the Ancient World? The people that populated Carthage are still there today XD

@aldrinmilespartosa1578 Жыл бұрын

@@krankarvolund7771 it depends.

@powerflumi Жыл бұрын

@@krankarvolund7771 They kinda arent, the ethnicities, race, whatever you want to call it have changed significantly over the years. The biggest change in ethnicity came during the 7th and 8th century where the newly formed Islamic Empire, the Umayyid Caliphate, conquered the middle east and then went on to conquer northern africa and spain. While spain was shortly reconquered north africa became the actuall cultural, political and economic center of the Islamic empire for about 500 years - which of course meant lots of ethnic arabs started to settle in northern africa and intermix with the locals. During the end stages of the empires when the slave trade became the most profitable trade in the region, slave traders started to selective breed slaves of different ethnic together, primarily certain northern african lower class peoples and slaves captured in sub saharan africa and southern europe aswell as scandinavia, who after the empire collapsed couldnt be sold and remained there. Most likely the ancient northern africans would look like modern day people from the levant or southern europe

@krankarvolund7771 Жыл бұрын

@@powerflumi "Most likely the ancient northern africans would look like modern day people from the levant or southern europe " And that's what modern Imazighen looks like, so your point is? ^^' Yes, there had been migrations, notably from arabic peoples in Northern Africa. But those invasions have not completely changed what the people who lived there, were. Just as the colonization of America or Oceania did not wipe out all of the Natives, despite diseases and the best efforts of the colonizers.

@powerflumi Жыл бұрын

@@krankarvolund7771 But that did effectivly happen in the Americas. For the most part. In the USA and Canada natives are a minority. In Southern America Colonists, Slaves and Natives intermixed so much that the ethnic majority is pretty much a new thing. E.g the Spaniards fucking the Mayans resulting in Mexicans meme. Sure we can argue that there are still places with the original ethnic people living there, but the majority of the people in those regions arent. Thats like looking at a modern day white, latino or black american and saying that this is what the original natives would have looked like

@bigbowss9817 6 ай бұрын

Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on the planet, for some reason people think everyone there is black lmao XD

@seikoellis17 5 ай бұрын

Well because it's 90% black and there are only 5 countries out of 54 that are non black

@seikoellis17 5 ай бұрын

And the term sub saharan isnstuoidnsince there are at least 6 black countries it does through.

@Ivan220996 Жыл бұрын

I feel like in the past 10 years we went back centuries in terms of average intelligence and ability to think

@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen Жыл бұрын

This is true

@superduperdave Жыл бұрын

Because the 5.1 inch pecker gang isnt worshiped anymore?

@Ivan220996 Жыл бұрын

@@superduperdave wut?

@Ivan220996 Жыл бұрын

@@superduperdave oh lmao took me a second. Thanks for being a great example of my point. Exhibit A ladies and gentlemen

@davidtitanium22 Жыл бұрын

The unlearned just gained a voice and strengthened each other's ignorance

@Dloin Жыл бұрын

Yeah and iam white but I still used a pink pencil to draw myself when I was little. Reality is so much more complicated and vast then our human language is able to express.

@Rozdlc Жыл бұрын

Used to use orange myself. Didn't like apricot so didn't once think to use it XD.

@PEDRELVIS Жыл бұрын

For me was the gold colour pencil, we called "skin colour pencil". Orange would be Donald Trump XD

@jamesparker2121 Жыл бұрын

Nila Firstya If you took away everything that blacks invented discovered and took credit for America would still be a 3rd world country from the first successful open heart surgery, air conditioner, stop light, super computers, security systems,carbon filament, mobile refrigerators, internet in more we been great

@blanddull6881 Жыл бұрын

I also saw a video about some dude claiming the first samurai to exist were black……absolutely mental.

@donpablitojuarez4640 Жыл бұрын

Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard

@Sivrn-Val Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: There isn't any actual evidence of Yasuke actually being a samurai. All that's known was he was a retainer and weapon bearer for Nobunaga. Other then that, all the supposed things he did have no factual evidence.

@NikoBellaKhouf2 Жыл бұрын

That's wild 🤣

@hashira9223 Жыл бұрын

Blacks making up history and stealing it from others because they don't have one

@kaniq6120 Жыл бұрын

That doesn't surprise maybe cuz there's a whole movement now of people claiming that native Americans were actually black and the native Americans still alive today are fake and paid actors or actually white or Asians and that the black people never arrived on any slave ships and that they're the original Americans and the slave trade is a lie... I'm serious

@dimiaraujo90 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, he was African, but he wasn't Bantu. Just look at Morroccans, Libyans, Algerians, and Tunisians nowadays, damnit. How come people wanna label skin complexion and ethnicity as binary black or white, when so many shades of brown and bege exist around the world

@ketami2 Жыл бұрын

I notice people seem to have this weird idea that all these historical people are "black" and they seem to mean like west African.... I don't get it. There are many different groups of people on the continent that all look different. I mean someone from Chile doesn't look the same as everyone else on the north and south American continent....

@basedimperialism Жыл бұрын

It's because these people are so insulated in their comfy urban lifestyles. They saw a black person once on their way to work and now assume everyone from Egypt to South Africa was pitch-black.

@tomhenry897 Жыл бұрын

No it’s our woke Democrats

@MikeHunt-zy3cn Жыл бұрын

I think it has a lot to do with people being insular, as well as media consumed. It's a bit ironic seeing how interconnected the modern world currently is.

@Userkaf_II Жыл бұрын

Okay, so for starters we have genealogies for every race according to the ancient Hebrews who actually lived during the Bronze Age in Biblical scripture. Meaning the ancient Hebrews would be one of our best sources for what people alive during the Bronze Age would have looked like. According to Genesis which is one of the five books of the Pentateuch, the Sidonians who were the original inhabitants of modern day Lebanon known for their exceptional skills in ship building and seafaring according II Kings were descendants of Ham, which according to Hebrew tradition is the progenitor of the dark skinned or Negroid races of today including the Canaanites who historically established themselves in Lebanon and Palestine, influencing much of the regions culture, language and genetics. The ancient Middle East however was racially diverse and was not inhabited by a single racial group, as we know people from Anatolian from Urartu and Hattusa and the Ugaritic speaking Semitic population of Syria inhabited the ancient Middle East also. My best guess as to what Phoenicians or Tyrians of the Iron Age looked like could probably best be exemplified by Cypriot or Cyprian artwork, who do seem to have been a Anatolian/Canaanite Syrian inspired mixture, and these people were likely what the ancient Phoenicians looked like. The reason this is a problem to begin with is because of racist ideological views like Nordicism in the past have attributed all of the great accomplishments of the ancient world to Nordic or Aryan peoples(a pseudonym for northwestern Europeans). This is still a problem that is extant in academic and scholarly circles today, where ancient historical figures such as Tutankhamun are claimed as having had red hair and is supposedly related to over half of modern western European men today, and is still a commonly held belief by many even though historic and ethnographic evidence proves the ancient Egyptians were African/Afro-Asiatic in the ethnic, linguistic and biological sense, not related to people from countries with a Celtic or Germanic basis today. I think all of that taken into consideration, it's fair to say that "white supremacist ideology" is the reason why all of this confusion about race and ethnicity in the ancient world exist. Afrocentrism on the other hand came into existence to counteract white supremacist historical revision delineated by Anglo-Celtic intellectuals, but gradually went from being a movement meant to correct racist views and attitudes on sub-Saharan African history and civilization, like whether or not metallurgy or written language was achieved by sub-Saharan Africans on their own or whether whites introduced these things to sub-Saharan Africa, to just being about trying to prove that blacks are a superior race and are responsible for every major civilization to ever exist on earth even in places as far away from Africa as Mexico where the Olmec culture originated.

@maxpflughoeft6806 Жыл бұрын

@@basedimperialism a lot of them are american black israelites/ black americans ignorant of history thanks to our shitty education system

@crashed_86 Жыл бұрын

I love when people try to sort groups from ancient times into one of a few labels that are extremely general even in modern times

@jasonpatrick5655 8 ай бұрын

You can't take a 21 century mindset and just inject it into the ancient times mindset

@blackoutninja Жыл бұрын

Why are Americans incapable of understanding that ‘African’ does not necessarily equate to ‘Black’?

@stevencorrea8032 11 ай бұрын

Africanus was he black

@blackoutninja 11 ай бұрын

@@stevencorrea8032 no

@uraumereal 7 ай бұрын

@@stevencorrea8032he was roman bro, so he had the same color as italians today

@stevencorrea8032 7 ай бұрын

@@uraumereal remind me of my favorite True Romance movie starring Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper you should go watch it the scene with Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper talking about the origins of the Romans Let's Get It On

@stevencorrea8032 7 ай бұрын

@@uraumereal Scipio Africanus was black?

@SJCmasjid 10 ай бұрын

Most people thought I was some European guy because I was white when I told them I was Tunisian in a place in North Africa they said I was lying to get the n word pass

@chidoking09 7 ай бұрын

Because they are stupid

@user-oe8mg7ly5i 6 ай бұрын

يا رجل

@Magiktcup 6 ай бұрын

Was this Americans? sounds like shit Americans would say lol

@francescosacca6674 5 ай бұрын

I have this one University colleague with a curly hair and slightly olive complexion (kind of dark, but not out the average for here in Italy) and complained a lot of North Africans think she's one too. It's almost like the Mediterranean Sea is a giant trading hub with a lot of intermingling.

@nikki-op4xj 5 ай бұрын

@@francescosacca6674 yea theres a lot of that ... also conquests . ton of conquests . big empires they rose and fell

@robertgronewold3326 Жыл бұрын

It's amazing how many people just equate African with black. As if the entire northern section of the continent to this very day does not have a variety of people with tan and olive skin tones. Carthage and Egypt were some of the most ethnically diverse nations of the ancient world.

@krankarvolund7771 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's very strange when you live in France, who has a certain history with Africa, let's say, and like... it's obvious for me that Northern Africa and sub-saharian Africa have different peoples ^^'

@Userkaf_II Жыл бұрын

@ario4795 Жыл бұрын

@@Userkaf_II afrocentrism is just about stealing other people's history it has nothing to do with 'correcting racist views'.

@SA-5247 Жыл бұрын

Mainly Afrocentric mouth breather in America. They watch a animated documentary or a bastardized non historical movie and just go with it..

@SA-5247 Жыл бұрын

@@Userkaf_II so you think religious interpretation trumps modern scientific methods and actual DNA evidence lmao..

@callnight1441 Жыл бұрын

that was honestly the best formulated answer i have ever heard on this subject. explaining why it probably wasnt the case, whilst also ending it with "but we cant really be certain".

@rahmakacem2209 Жыл бұрын

Hanno the Navigator ( who is hannibal's younger brother) called Africans below Carthage "Gorillae" when he explored the western coast of africa. If hannibal was black, he wouldn't call them that.

@demilung 6 ай бұрын

Ah Americans, literally living in a "black and white" world.

@ChristoffRevan 6 ай бұрын

Nah, it's the same in Western Europe...also, it's just a minority of people, the average person isn't like this

@HighWireDiver 5 ай бұрын

@@ChristoffRevanYou can not speak for the average American. There are millions upon millions of them. Quite arrogant.

@nathanclaspell6003 5 ай бұрын

To think that all Americans think a certain way is the epitome of stupidity.

@invisalats841 4 ай бұрын

@HighWireDiver most Americans and I say this confidently, don't f-ing care about what ethnicity one of the greatest military minds in history was... a good rule to follow with Americans is that unless they have a vested interest in something, it doesn't particularly matter to them. Also, the black or white thing is incredibly annoying. I find it hilarious when they argue over the ethnicity of a bunch of inbred rulers like they are drafting an ethnic incest dream team.

@nuraby_9228 2 ай бұрын

Said the European who thinks it's ok to throw bananas at black people

@MarcAlcatraz Жыл бұрын

I hate when people just assume Africa = black. It’s so reductionist

@larrymoore3627 9 ай бұрын

It was until the invasions numbskull

@scarymonster5541 8 ай бұрын

@@larrymoore3627 northern africa has always been white even before the arab,roman,french,british and turks conquest

@maixiong9113 8 ай бұрын

@@larrymoore3627what invasion??? When the kushite invaded Egypt????

@lmr8277 8 ай бұрын

@@larrymoore3627 What was the "black" ethnicity in North Africa

@johannesg8959 7 ай бұрын

Race doesn't exist. it's sdtupid.

@gorlab9549 Жыл бұрын

I love how a majority of todays population forgets that North Africa consists of a majority of white/fair skinned peoples like Tunisia (modern Carthage), Egypt, Morocco. North Africa has since annuity been seen as the bridge between cultures, it’s a mixing pot of Mediterranean, middle eastern, African, Iberian, and more.

@MikeHunt-zy3cn Жыл бұрын

I find it baffling how people don't realize how much fairer skinned the people of the mid east and north African coast are in comparison to the sub Sahara.

@IbrahimservantofAllah Жыл бұрын

Well thas were all the interesting history is in africa so Africa americans like to claim egypt and carthage as their heritage even though most african americans ancestors came from west and central africa

@seanhartnett79 Жыл бұрын

Yep,

@Userkaf_II Жыл бұрын

@SA-5247 Жыл бұрын

My best friend growing up was/is Egyptian and he’s whiter than my Irish ass.

@mellieg.7543 Жыл бұрын

The Internet needs to learn that human beings aren't either incredibly pale or incredibly dark skinned. Plenty of room for melanin variation and a wide range of skin tones. You could say it's not so black and white. 😁

@TheAnomalousCat 19 күн бұрын

Love the way you worded this, lmao.

@alanknotts5975 6 ай бұрын

My granda told me, "I don't care what they tell you in school, Hannibal was black!"

@ulester3092 6 ай бұрын

My grandma told me “I don’t care what they teach you in school Ghengis Khan was black”

@crusaderforchrist 5 ай бұрын

My grandma told me, "I don't care what they tell you in school, Christopher Columbus was black!"

@Griggs58 5 ай бұрын

⁠@@crusaderforchristNo see Columbus man bad so he’s white lol

@tonyjackson4078 5 ай бұрын

My Grandma told me "I don't care what grandpa says, the first boy I kissed was black"

@AndreasViking1 5 ай бұрын

@@crusaderforchristthat is such a racist lie

@trndsttr7585 Жыл бұрын

Black or white, he's a legend who continues to inspire awe.

@rahmakacem2209 Жыл бұрын

Hanno the Navigator ( who is hannibal's younger brother) called Africans below Carthage "Gorillae" when he explored the western coast of africa. If hannibal was black, he wouldn't call them that.

@jwil4286 Жыл бұрын

Unless you’re Roman, in which case you just kick his ass

@hedislim5206 Жыл бұрын

I'm from Carthage, Tunisia, and Hannibal was never black.

@M4532v 9 ай бұрын

You’re from current day Carthage. Hannibal’s reign ended over 2100 years ago! How many Europeans (see Romans) have gRaped and pillaged aboriginals since then? Australia was colonized in less than 150 years. Imagine what can be done in 2109 years.

@sfisomanana984 9 ай бұрын

You from Iran

@printhallo 9 ай бұрын

Im from tunisia and he was never black.

@M4532v 9 ай бұрын

@@printhallo Says the European… French to be exact. Right? Take a DNA test. I’m sure that it traces back to Europe.

@devondevon6992 9 ай бұрын

And the lie continues 😂smh!

@MYndsc 7 ай бұрын

But my Grandma told me that Hannibal was black…

@Ojajjajaj 7 ай бұрын

Mine said he was white so I guess he could be trans racial? Changes it based on the time of day and calls you racist if you get it wrong

@MYndsc 7 ай бұрын

@@Ojajjajaj thats fair!

@MarocGym-je6dk 6 ай бұрын

Your Grandma lying😮

@eodyn7 6 ай бұрын

@@Ojajjajaj He was Caucasian. That term doesn't just mean White.

@bigbad5067 6 ай бұрын

its a reference to when some dumbass defended the choice to make cleopatra (who was greek) black on tv because she said her grandma told her that cleopatra was black, as if granny met her or something@@MarocGym-je6dk

@andrewp8284 Жыл бұрын

“Hannibal was black because he was in Africa” *Political Credit Score 10,000* At least here in the US.

@hannibalb8276 Жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as "political credit score" stop being so easily brainwashed

@Jigy222 Жыл бұрын

@@hannibalb8276 china?

@hannibalb8276 Жыл бұрын

@@Jigy222 Not in China either

@Jigy222 Жыл бұрын

@@hannibalb8276 china has a social credit system lmfao

@hannibalb8276 Жыл бұрын

@@Jigy222 No they don't, dummy. I'd tell you to prove me wrong by posting evidence, but we both know you can't.

@jamestoney24 7 ай бұрын

Hannibal wasn't black neither white , look at modern day tunisian face features to know how carthaginians looked like.

@RandomFurry07 7 ай бұрын

They're tan, brown skinned

@Yanzdorloph 6 ай бұрын

@@RandomFurry07 meh it depends, all in North africa 2 siblings from the same parents one could be tan and the other white. it's a very confusing place from white supremacists

@Nesut-king 4 ай бұрын

North Africa is full of races, Egyptians, Amazigh etc... so he wasn't black, he is near to modern day Tunisians and Algerians

@user-pk3oy1be5e Ай бұрын

Lmao u actually count gypsies who exist in north Africa as Carthaginian 😂😂

@jamestoney24 Ай бұрын

@@user-pk3oy1be5e who's the gypsies ? specify

@atticusrussel3485 Жыл бұрын

Its wierd because back then we use modern racial idea to describe these people. He wasnt balck, white, asaian or anything else because back then he was hannibal. He was carthaginian, and being black or white does not a carthaginian make.

@als3022 Жыл бұрын

Actually what was important was whether you were Roman, Greek, or a barbarian.

@safs3098 Жыл бұрын

actually, it does. Carthaginian was his city, Phoenician was his ethnicity, meaning someone whose ancestors were from the Levant, and Levantines were light brown. a blonde Scandinavian or a black sub saharan wouldn't be considered a true Phoenician, and their lineage did matter to them

@aldrinmilespartosa1578 Жыл бұрын

@@safs3098 lineage does not collate to ethnicity.

@safs3098 Жыл бұрын

@@aldrinmilespartosa1578 it quite literally does. It's the very reason ethnicities exist, a group of people who share a more common lineage than another group.

@aldrinmilespartosa1578 Жыл бұрын

@@safs3098 exist does not mean care

@billtree52 6 ай бұрын

These are the same people who are trying to claim the Aztec and Mayan were black too. There's more than two ethnicities y'all! 😂

@sheenawarecki92 Жыл бұрын

One of the weirdest things to me as someone who's Native is seeing people be like "Everyone in or from Africa is Black" like Africa is a giant continent, do you think all people on the "American" continents look the same originally!? We all look so different why is anywhere else om the planet an exception 🤦‍♀️ than again most people don't realize indigenous people here don't originally look the same either so idk what I expect🙄😂

@kaniq6120 Жыл бұрын

I don't get that too and I've had people accuse me of lying because I don't look like what they think an indigenous person would look one time I had a girl get really mad at me and she showed me a black and white photo of a Cherokee and said this is what real natives look like and I tried to explain to her that of course I don't look like a Cherokee because I'm a native of the Aleutian Islands thousands and thousands of miles away in a completely different climate

@catsandkittys Жыл бұрын

Very true. I’ve often noticed how many Inuit people look a lot like East Asians. I’ve even read about some people being the targets of anti Asian hate crimes

@kaniq6120 Жыл бұрын

@@catsandkittys my cousin experienced it firsthand he went shopping in the city to get something for his daughter because she needs special baby formula and anyway he was harassed and told to go back China but my cousin just thought it was funny and now tells us he is a Kung Fu master and shit lol

@kaniq6120 Жыл бұрын

@@catsandkittys also fun fact there's different words in the Inuit language describe different ways people look like me I'm ikuq it's what we call the yellow to red orange leaves of birch trees but in people its what we call people with red or strawberry blonde hair

@Lospaises842 Жыл бұрын

🇺🇲Afrocentrists who see everything through the cinema

@RuairiOTuathail Жыл бұрын

Carthage: An empire in the Mediterranean Sea. *"HaNiBaL wAs BlAcK!* _Wipes drool from keyboard_

@taharbaroudi9578 9 ай бұрын

@dragonofthewest8305😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@nawelnawel823 9 ай бұрын

@dragonofthewest8305wawww really ignorant 😲

@nawelnawel823 9 ай бұрын

@dragonofthewest8305you was in Carthage???? You know where is Carthage located??????

@OGTheDemon 9 ай бұрын

@dragonofthewest8305 LOL he wasnt black, phoenicians are from the lavant. We know what he was and just becuz its in africa doesnt mean black. There were blacks in north africa, Nubian mercenaries for instance, but hannibal isnt nubian, or sub saharran. Hes phoenician.

@idirbouchdoug1567 9 ай бұрын

@dragonofthewest8305that is an etruscan coin, not made in carthage and not depicting hannibal.

@darana1142 Жыл бұрын

Mfw when I realize there are skin colours other than black and white 😦

@romanboi3115 6 ай бұрын

He was a Phonecian decendant. If his skin tone is "black" then Spaniards are black

@cq4538r Жыл бұрын

I've learned very much that just because someone is African doesn't mean they have to be black. I worked retail for three and a half years, 3 years of that about 45m from the Canadian border and met at least a DOZEN guys white as me, that were south African. My neighbor where I live now is from South Africa, he's white as well with red hair. But definitely doesn't *sound* white if that makes any sense? Neither did any of the men I met in retail. But one thing they all had in common, every one of them had a great demeanor and was fun to be around. Still working on it, but I'm getting better by the day really.

@AM-mu2kv Жыл бұрын

Because the dutch colonised south africa 500 years ago and there are 5 million european descendants living there right now

@cq4538r Жыл бұрын

@AM I'm mostly referring to the basic idea that was all but outright taught to me where Africa - Black, South America - Latino, Asia - White, etc. Prior to meeting these men, I would think of Africa and see black persons. But I've learned differently since. Not saying I'm a Saint or anything but it sounded reasonable to me at the time.

@powerflumi Жыл бұрын

@@cq4538r Which is why africa is usually seperated into Northern Africa and Sub Saharan Africa. What people tend to forget is that there is this whole desert thingie between the two, and that this desert thingie is kinda big. Im assuming you are american, so the easiest way to explain it is this. The Sahara is slightly smaller than the USA, which means traveling from NA to SSA is similiarly to traveling from Canada to Mexico but through a land that is hostile to most life and especially humans.

@noonedude101 Жыл бұрын

Ah, I love it when people rewrite history because they’re embarrassed of their own.

@NikoBellaKhouf2 Жыл бұрын

This. I wish black people and ✡️ would go discover their own history and stop stealing mine

@IbrahimservantofAllah Жыл бұрын

Yeah its really sad but kinda funny at the same time

@davidmccarroll2280 Жыл бұрын

We Wuz Kangz in a nutshell

@All_Hail_Chael Жыл бұрын

Its not only embarrasing, but they have almost no history because that requires a written language. They love to judge everyone who has a written history though. It's like reading someones diary and judging them and all they have some rumours their grandad learnt about you from his grandad. Oral history...LMFAO.

@amirekinartail8623 Жыл бұрын

@@All_Hail_Chael Well many Sub Sharan Africans did have written languages and even if they didn't they still had oral histories. Many of which were destroyed by colonizers. To say or imply that Africans or they're diaspora have no history or should be embarrassed about they're history is rooted in white supremacist propaganda used to justify the many horrific injustices committed against Africans and their diaspora.

@scumbaggaming9418 Жыл бұрын

I just kinda thought he resembled a modern day Arab or someone from southern Europe

@davidmccarroll2280 Жыл бұрын

Yea that's the basic Mediterranean phenotype MENA is just white passing

@Userkaf_II Жыл бұрын

@tuyitesen2012 7 ай бұрын

Nope. He must have looked like a native north African berber/Amazigh from the coast or a lebanese but sure not like an Arabian.😂

@panose6542 6 ай бұрын

Funny part is that that picture is one where Hannibal is depicted with ambiguous skin tone and hair quality, lol

@ivancescka9673 Жыл бұрын

The people who say they're not racist Are the one who sees you for your skin color

@rahmakacem2209 Жыл бұрын

Hanno the Navigator ( who is hannibal's younger brother) called Africans below Carthage "Gorillae" when he explored the western coast of africa. If hannibal was black, he wouldn't call them that.

@666Kaca Жыл бұрын

@@rahmakacem2209 so the monkey comparison is much older than i anticipated

@thegodofz8230 Жыл бұрын

If we're at a point where people think the most important thing about Hannibal's portrayal is based on ethnicity, then these people need a realignment of priorities

@alalalala57 Жыл бұрын

Its not the most important thing, but its important.

@invisalats841 Жыл бұрын

@TONYSTARK557 not really. Hannibal being black or not doesn't matter. Though it's incredibly unlikely given everything historians do know about him. When I first read about Hannibal I had no knowledge of Africa beyond Egypt. So I assumed he was black and later found out that I was almost certainly 100% wrong. The real issue is that it's just weird to go around assigning an ethnicity without any evidence to support the claim. That Netflix Cleopatra "documentary" did this even when all evidence was to the contrary. I don't agree with any form of ethnic washing(akin to white washing) of history. I don't care if they are a minority or their ancestors experienced oppression and slavery, it still isn't okay to undermine historical truth.

@toshibami 6 ай бұрын

Knowing where Hannibals family came from, I always imagined him having same colour as Tony Shalhoub. Both have their roots in Lebanon.

@lordsiomai Жыл бұрын

Ain't it ironic that by trying to be not racist, some people end up actually being racist (i.e., by saying "they're from Africa so they must be black")

@jart1984 Жыл бұрын

they cry for diversity but is absolutely baffled when they discovered that africa is more than just "black people continent" and has many ethnicities spanning over its huge expanses

@peterwarner553 Жыл бұрын

What the hell is "Black" anyway? No one has been able to give me an intelligent answer to that.

@richardlew3667 10 ай бұрын

Like many other Carthaginians, Hannibal was Mediterranean of Phoenician descent who lived in North Africa.

@Zvabh 8 ай бұрын

He basically never even lived in North Africa

@uraumereal 7 ай бұрын

@@Zvabhhe did until he went with his father to iberia

@analogdistortion Жыл бұрын

When they reach, they reach far.

@nabildarwiche6031 Ай бұрын

You don't need a recreation Lebanese people are still Phoenician but we identify as Arabs now

@LeilaGrace8 Жыл бұрын

Even if he has been mixed, North African ancient ancestors are light skinned and not Ethiopian. So he definitely wasn’t black

@matiusbond6052 11 ай бұрын

ancient Cartahgenians were black brown and some tan just like ancient Egyptians,but belonged to the black race.

@OGTheDemon 9 ай бұрын

@@matiusbond6052 LOL no. You couldnt be more wrong. The egyptians werent black either. One nubian dynasty that lasted like 2 decades in the some 5 thousand year history of that kingdom. And no ancient Cathaginians werent black, they were from the lavant, near antioch. And no they were light brown at most. They dont belong to the "black race" good lord man.

@johnmonteiro5825 9 ай бұрын

@@matiusbond6052false. You have been lied to.

@idirbouchdoug1567 9 ай бұрын

completely false. the same egyptians you are talking about depicted "lybians" ,who we call berbers or amazigh today,and showed them as fair skinned and tattooed. and the phoenicians who founded carthage and from which hannibal's lineage descends from are middle eastern(around modern day lebanon) and they arent black either@@matiusbond6052

@joalvarado8506 2 күн бұрын

Iberomaurusians carried the E1b1b haplogroup associated with Afro-Asiatic speakers and they 100% had “sub-Saharan” ancestry. The haplogroup is thought to have originated in East Africa like the language family. When you’re disagreeing with the linguists, geneticists, and archaeologists maybe you should reevaluate your position.

@Basedlocation Жыл бұрын

Im tired of the We Wuz nonsense

@ajmerthethy6724 Жыл бұрын

Still wasn’t white

@a_l7515 Жыл бұрын

Hannibal was 🧔🏽‍♂️ not 🧔🏻‍♂️👩🏿‍🦲

@Basedlocation Жыл бұрын

@@ajmerthethy6724 Never claimed him to be

@Basedlocation Жыл бұрын

@@a_l7515 Did I ask ?

@tammyspillman6980 Жыл бұрын

The fact that there was no mention of his race shows how much we've regressed.

@jimmydesouza4375 Жыл бұрын

No there were mentions of his race, just that as a Carthaginian his race would have been a known quantity. The egyptians for example had tablets depicting skin color and what nation/race those skin colors belonged to (oddly they had themselves as the whitest, even whiter than northern europeans).

@SebastianEpicurus Жыл бұрын

Race wasn't based on skin color back then.

@SebastianEpicurus Жыл бұрын

The fact that there was no mention of any of his features, show how much we've regressed

@fernquiroz Жыл бұрын

Sem·ite ˈse-ˌmīt. especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt. : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, *_Phoenicians,_* Hebrews, and Arabs. : a descendant of these peoples. : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.

@jarrettlowery2802 Жыл бұрын

Race wasn't really a concept back then. People were more identified by their culture and religion

@lawrencevaughn9149 5 ай бұрын

For people that complain that Black people do this all the time you have to also remember that your history books made by white people do not speak very much about black history and black, cultural icons. If you look at world history very little of it, focuses on anything but Mainland, Europe and Britain very little of it talks about China, Arab countries and Africa and part of the reason for this is because no one cared to talk to Africans about their history and a lot of them did not write it down but spread it through stories and also a lot of it was burned and destroyed During fighting sparked by colonist, colonist, destroying empires and racking their land, and just outright genocide of different cultures. That did not agree with what they wanted to do with their lamb. Africa has been misrepresented and lied upon so of course, every black person in the diaspore is trying to cling to different historical figures and hoping that they would be part of their diaspora

@Allsportstees Ай бұрын

not trying to cling. Black history is known by black. white people and others can keep their white history books. We have our own.

@liaratsoni8556 Жыл бұрын

Hannibal was Carthaginian. The Carthaginians were Phoenicians. There is nothing to suggest he was black.

@Userkaf_II Жыл бұрын

@idirbouchdoug1567 Жыл бұрын

little correction the carthaginian elites were phoenician* The general population would be composed of a mix of people but probably mostly berber .

@Sara-dv2nj 11 ай бұрын

@@idirbouchdoug1567Even the elite were mixed with Numedians and Iberians .

@jochem420 Жыл бұрын

people need to realize a clear distinction between vague concepts like black and white is fairly recent. back in the day you would make a distinction between people from every region, which might be worse but it also shows theres a wide spectrum of ethnicities and its not all as clear as being either black or white

@laisphinto6372 8 ай бұрын

Yeah but IT meant different Things greeks called themselves White but called barbarians from the northern blond . So IT isnt a good Idea to use ancient color Terms since they werent that obsessed about skin color Like today

@heldinahtmlhell 7 ай бұрын

Not really. Ancient Egyptians distinguished between skin colours. Dark sinned Africans were called Nubians. Is it really logical that people didn't observe and acknowledge such stark visual differences between demographics, historically? Think about it. This bizarre notion that the modern west "created" the concept of race is absurd. Your skin colour and phenotype generally correlated with where you were from. Which was obviously far more significant historically than in modern times.

@owlson2527 Жыл бұрын

Idk but Hannibal Burress sure is

@HiroProtag Жыл бұрын

Wait... are they not the same people?

@knighthunter1791 Жыл бұрын

@@HiroProtag lmao

@anthonyoer4778 Жыл бұрын

Hannibal lecter....

@thatmixeddudetho Жыл бұрын

My guy 😂

@samuelgann1298 7 ай бұрын

People hear African and think they’re all one skin color, same with the Jesus debate, it doesn’t matter, but there was a healthy chance for light skin as there was for darker skin

@maggiemorouni8798 Жыл бұрын

He wasn’t white, but he wasn’t black. He was light skinned. In the middle.

@cloroxbleach9222 Жыл бұрын

The definitions of white and black can be convoluted anyway. I think Berbers and Arabs can sometimes be in white category in some countries but have their own category in others. In my Southeast Asian country people often think my Berber uncle is white. Some Berbers also have really dark skin so there's confusion there too.

@Fourtytwo4242 Жыл бұрын

@@cloroxbleach9222 generally judging shit by skin color is stupid, culture is a better system and always has been. Has I get older it is getting harder and harder tell different skin colors from each other, Hispanic, white, African, Indian, Asian, native American, so on. They all start to blend into each other after a little while and nearly impossible to tell each other apart, it just to much work for such a stupid system.

@hyacinna Жыл бұрын

in terms of skin color he was in between, it's pretty warm in North Africa, but in terms of phenotype like nose, nostrils, hair texture, facial structure, he was probably closer to south Europeans and middle easterners not Aryan white but what could be called 'caucasoid'

@IblewuponyourfaceIII Жыл бұрын

@@Fourtytwo4242 Hispanics are from Spain & Portugal, they’re in the White category

@IblewuponyourfaceIII Жыл бұрын

@@cloroxbleach9222 Berbers are definitely white, today they are more mixed that’s why.