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Was Harvey Beaks Treated Fairly by Nickelodeon?

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@monstersreview
@monstersreview 4 жыл бұрын
It makes complete sense after watching this that C.H. Greenblatt ditched cable animation to work in the realm of streaming, where content isn't confined to timeslots. Great analysis!
@anarchimation1448
@anarchimation1448 4 жыл бұрын
I thought WB approached Greenblatt
@vincent1935
@vincent1935 4 жыл бұрын
@@anarchimation1448 If I remember correctly, Greenblatt is working on a show for one of WB’s streaming services.
@Deley18
@Deley18 4 жыл бұрын
Not just timeslots, but also not behind something where the average consumer pays $110 per month for content. With streaming, you get content for a whole lot less.
@gregharman5271
@gregharman5271 4 жыл бұрын
Good day monstrous review I can't wait for the next video
@hfbnffsdugai3754
@hfbnffsdugai3754 3 жыл бұрын
Jellystone!
@genemelendez8157
@genemelendez8157 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ, I knew Harvey Beaks got screwed over, but I didn’t think it would be this bad. I know it wasn’t a fan favorite Nicktoon, but it didn’t deserve this kind of treatment
@gingerroberts7936
@gingerroberts7936 4 жыл бұрын
Neither did "The Brothers Flub". It met the exact same fate.
@notchuckproductions5029
@notchuckproductions5029 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you failed to mention that not only was Harvey Beaks played so rarely, but when it was aired it was at shit time slot on weekdays when Kids are normally either at school or asleep. Usually the time 1PM time slot is normally for an Imported show that Nickelodeon licenses for Filler or Reruns of old Spongebob episodes. And depending on the time Zone 9:45 PM could be 10 pm or 11 om
@gingerroberts7936
@gingerroberts7936 4 жыл бұрын
@@notchuckproductions5029 I didn't know that. That's really sad.
@jaycrews9905
@jaycrews9905 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@cabralanselmo5777
@cabralanselmo5777 4 жыл бұрын
The way Greenblatt overestimated the amount of hours Nick aired the show sounds like the punchline to a Monty Python sketch in the saddest way possible.
@rubywest5166
@rubywest5166 4 жыл бұрын
"Hello, I would like to register a complaint" "What's that" "This show I released, Harvey Beaks, has only been aired for 15 hours on your television network" "No it wasn't" "Yes it was" "No it wasn't" "Yes it was" "No it wasn't" "Fine then, tell me how my TV show, for which I could only find 15 hours of airing on you network, did indeed "Not air for 15 hours"" "It was on for 11"
@eatatjoe
@eatatjoe 4 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the punchline to a Chowder joke between Gazpacho and Mung.
@FrozenUSA
@FrozenUSA 4 жыл бұрын
I was aware of this show but I had stopped watching Nick with any regularity outside of the occasional Dan Schneider show at that time. The whole airing the same episode multiple times in the same week is something Nick does on a regular basis especially when they are trying to get people interested in a new show. They air the latest episode consistently in the week between that one and a new one. Once they have a good amount of episodes for reruns they mix it up a little bit but find one episode in particular and make sure that episode is run more often than all the others. They did a decent job with premiering Harvey Beaks same day as KCA’s. Some of the biggest shows in Nick history premiered those days like Spongebob and Angry Beavers. Putting Harvey Beaks same day as Spongebob is always a good sign especially when it was the first new episode since like “Spongebob, You’re Fired!” I’m not quite sure what the ratings were like then because I don’t remember there being a lot of hoopla surrounding the return of Spongebob at that time. I was slowly coming around to maybe believing the show was just petering our like how they burned off the last half of the final season of Fairly Oddparents on Nicktoons. However I have always believed that Spongebob is Nick’s Mickey Mouse and the network simply cannot exist on cable tv if Spongebob goes away. Nick realized this and exploited Stephen Hillenburg’s death as an opportunity to expand on the Spongebob brand which is disrespectful to Hillenburg’s legacy but that’s a conversation for another time. In terms of this video, Harvey Beaks was a show I just thought existed but maybe just ok and therefore didn’t last long. It had an ok life in reruns on Nicktoons but recently they have replaced it with the newer shows of Casagrandes and The Loud House and older reruns of Back at the Barnyard and Tuff Puppy. I could see this show either being revived on a streaming service or becoming a cult favorite a la Invader Zim, which was a show I despised in its original airings and perhaps need to give another chance as an adult.
@toon4thought
@toon4thought 4 жыл бұрын
Let's be real, Welcome to the Wayne was screwed over way more. People barely got to even know the show before it disappeared for over a year *before* finally airing like two-thirds of its run on Nicktoons. The fact you reading this probably haven't heard of it says a lot.
@legendbtv
@legendbtv 4 жыл бұрын
God I literally forgot that existed and that was a recent show.
@stonefree7973
@stonefree7973 4 жыл бұрын
I used to love watching the show, but the hiatuses lasted so long and I couldn’t find it on the main channel or On Demand.
@eatatjoe
@eatatjoe 4 жыл бұрын
It's Pony got screwed over too. Like, you can barely find episodes of it airing anymore but there's no word on whether or not they *really* canceled it.
@aloftmelevar
@aloftmelevar 3 жыл бұрын
i was a fan of it when it started on nick but soon forgot about it. it's so disgusting what nick has become, it's why i always preferred disney and CN
@Princess-Daisy
@Princess-Daisy 3 жыл бұрын
I remember that they advertised the first episode online or something like that (I watched the pilot (?) online), months later I saw a commercial for it and a couple cartoon you tubers talking about it, and then I never actually saw it air on tv for the rest of the time we still had cable
@Homerstar
@Homerstar 4 жыл бұрын
This is really eye opening. I knew Harvey Beaks was treated badly but this is just unacceptable. Nickelodeon is just like the WWE, barley using people, then being surprised when their not popular.
@blxckheartrose
@blxckheartrose 4 жыл бұрын
Harvey Beaks became 2012 Zack Ryder, and that is saying something
@goalhorncrazy9779
@goalhorncrazy9779 4 жыл бұрын
I think making more videos like this would be interesting, like My Life As A Teenage Robot, Invader Zim, and Chalkzone
@Zacman1123
@Zacman1123 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like that
@TuesdaysArt
@TuesdaysArt 4 жыл бұрын
That'd be a good idea for a series! PieGuy could even extend this to other networks like CN and Disney Channel if he wanted. So much potential...
@thecupheadfan1837
@thecupheadfan1837 4 жыл бұрын
I forgot that Chalkzone even exist And also, he did an Invader Zim video 11 years ago
@Vaporwades
@Vaporwades 4 жыл бұрын
I agree
@joniivee
@joniivee 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I really dug this format.
@audreytheausllyologist502
@audreytheausllyologist502 4 жыл бұрын
Networks often do this. They keep the shows people hate but they cancel the shows people love. I don’t see any logic there whatsoever.
@Zacman1123
@Zacman1123 4 жыл бұрын
Neither do I.
@ExtremeWreck
@ExtremeWreck 3 жыл бұрын
Well, in that case, I could imagine that there's a show that's so absolutely garbage(to the point of being included on DarthWiki's So Bad It's Horrible), yet keeps getting reruns while any of the actual quality content airs for like, 5 hours a year, then just vanishes, never to be seen again. Is there a channel like that?
@doctorawesomeness6922
@doctorawesomeness6922 4 жыл бұрын
Nicktoons is Nickelodeon's cemetery.
@thecupheadfan1837
@thecupheadfan1837 4 жыл бұрын
Why I see you everywere.
@Trubactor
@Trubactor 4 жыл бұрын
Nicktoons! Where cartoons go to die!
@swaysway1362
@swaysway1362 3 жыл бұрын
@@thecupheadfan1837 you are so right.
@glenncraigmeyer07
@glenncraigmeyer07 4 жыл бұрын
How can they disrespect Greenblatt? He was a great writer on SpongeBob and wrote amazing episodes like Band Geeks!
@glenncraigmeyer07
@glenncraigmeyer07 4 жыл бұрын
@AlezanderNX I’m with stupid is the only one I can think of
@TommyC64
@TommyC64 2 жыл бұрын
Because Nick would make money if they treated him well or not, and Nick have only cared about money since 2006.
@accountan0nymous284
@accountan0nymous284 4 жыл бұрын
I think it was a good show, a shame it barely aired.
@pikachu0Z
@pikachu0Z 4 жыл бұрын
This is just another example of how truly shortsighted Nickelodeon is. Harvey Beaks was royally screwed over like My life as a Teenage Robot, Chalk Zone, The Legend of Korra and many others because Nick likes to play favorites and dump those they saw as dead weight.
@tidepodpadthai2633
@tidepodpadthai2633 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that it wasn't even formally cancelled, it was via a tweet just says so much about how little they cared.
@AceTrainerSquirtle
@AceTrainerSquirtle 4 жыл бұрын
This is why Cartoon Network is better. At least with most of their shows (RIP OK KO), they give them fair chances and run with what they have. Shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, and Regular Show were widely loved, and CN new that and kept them going, and stopped production simply when the creators felt it had a good run. Nickelodeon will just throw out any good idea they have because it doesn’t get as much attention as SpongeBob. Well, of course it wouldn’t do as well as SpongeBob, ITS SPONGEBOB! The only cartoon they actually cared enough to have around that didn’t go to Nicktoons from my memory was The Loud House, because... oh I dunno... they GAVE IT A CHANCE! And because of that, it got good recognition. But with all their other shows, they just barely care enough to take at least 5 SpongeBob reruns out of their schedule to make room for their new show. And yet, they still expect the world from it. I mean, do you really think a show like PigGoatBannanaCricket would stand a chance against SpongeBob?! Yeah, no. But that doesn’t mean you should stop caring about it.
@TuesdaysArt
@TuesdaysArt 4 жыл бұрын
At some point, TTG and (to an extent) TAWOG became CN's "SpongeBob", though it seems like CN had a better selection of shows compared to Nickelodeon. Nick's shows tend to lean toward a younger audience and when they do try to add shows with a more mature tone, they're mishandled by the network. I'm just an outsider looking in, but it feels like Nickelodeon was more formulaic than Cartoon Network...or rather, CN allowed for more creative control than Nick. I could definitely be wrong. Honestly, the transition to streaming is probably a really good thing for creators. You don't have to worry about a skewed airing schedule if all of the episodes are on demand.
@jamesryker5128
@jamesryker5128 4 жыл бұрын
There actually was evidence that CN rushed Steven Universe to end. I'd recommend you'd watch roundtable's vid on it.
@board-qu9iu
@board-qu9iu 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesryker5128 Yeah and I am mad it happened also the Gumball ending was dissapointing
@TheStarBot
@TheStarBot 3 жыл бұрын
CH Greenbalt legitimately said on his Tumblr that even though Nickelodeon screwed him over, he still had a better time at Nick then Cartoon Network ever had So keep that in mind
@board-qu9iu
@board-qu9iu 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheStarBot give me link please
@RawPower867
@RawPower867 4 жыл бұрын
These days, if a show isn't IMMEDIATELY as successful as Spongebob, Nickelodeon wants nothing to do with it. That's how they've been since at least 2007. They ought to thank their lucky stars that they didn't have this attitude back in the 90s, because Spongebob itself would've been canceled after one season. That may seem like a ridiculous statement to people who weren't alive or too young to remember when Spongebob first premiered, but it's true. It wasn't some magical cartoon that exploded into superstardom right out of the gate. Rugrats was still the more popular show for the first year or so of Spongebob's life. It was through constant word of mouth and brilliant fucking material that Spongebob became what it is. Or rather, was.
@perkygoth1471
@perkygoth1471 4 жыл бұрын
Its things like this that make me never wanna pitch my original ideas and stories to a major TV network
@DeadlyAlienInvader
@DeadlyAlienInvader 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s best that you either do web comics or be an independent comic book artist, like Todd McFarlane.
@TuesdaysArt
@TuesdaysArt 4 жыл бұрын
@@DeadlyAlienInvader Webcomics take a lot of work and can have its own issues with production (especially if you're working with a team), but at least you have more creative control.
@OakViewFilms
@OakViewFilms 4 жыл бұрын
Right there with you! It's why I want to independently produce my pilot (live-action) and pitch it to streaming services. To hell with TV Networks.
@cybergriffin2976
@cybergriffin2976 3 жыл бұрын
You also Lose the rights to your own show. The tv network now owns the property so you can get a copyright claim if you post anything of that media without the TV network consent.
@ExtremeWreck
@ExtremeWreck 3 жыл бұрын
@@DeadlyAlienInvader Well even with THOSE you can get screwed over BIG TIME.
@LeafRazorStorm
@LeafRazorStorm 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is about what I expected. Nickelodeon puts an unwarranted insane amount of faith in a new show in its first few weeks, and the moment they don't deliver on the network's expectations, the show is thrown away like garbage. "Give us immediate success, or you will immediately fail, just like everything else we make."
@NorbertSD
@NorbertSD 4 жыл бұрын
If you think how Nickelodeon handled Harvey Beaks was bad, you should see how they handled Welcome to the Wayne. Only 9 episodes premiered on Nickelodeon, then it never aired anywhere for a full year, then all the rest of the episodes (half of season 1 & all of season 2) aired on Nicktoons. I will always stand by that WTTW was the worst-treated Nicktoon. I think Harvey Beaks get singled out the most as a horribly treated Nicktoon due to creator C.H. Greenblatt publicly speaking out when the controversy regarding the show’s cancellation broke. Billy Lopez never said anything similar when WTTW got screwed over.
@KyChan2K
@KyChan2K 4 жыл бұрын
Making Fiends was the worst treated of the Nicktoons in my opinion. It premiered with no promotion whatsoever, it only had 6 episodes, and it got cancelled abruptly despite having good ratings.
@eatatjoe
@eatatjoe 4 жыл бұрын
@@KyChan2K It's Pony got sent to the glue factory faster than you can say "it had 24 episodes and isn't even done yet?"
@adriansandlin556
@adriansandlin556 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyChan2K Not to mention that Nickelodeon continues to sit on the rights to that show, so the creator can't even make the comic series.
@emmayoung736
@emmayoung736 4 жыл бұрын
They were just too focused on SpongeBob to air Harvey Beaks.
@SQGReviewShow
@SQGReviewShow 4 жыл бұрын
That's a real shame. It's easy to forget just how much more effort it takes to develop an animated series. SEVEN YEARS of this guy's life undone by an ambivalent network that'd rather milk the Spongebob cash cow. I can't blame them for pushing their biggest hit of a show, but damn. Not at the expense of a show barely given a chance.
@crazybillykook
@crazybillykook 4 жыл бұрын
It really sucks what happened to this show. But man, does Nickelodeon do this to a lot of their cartoons. There have been so many that were sent to NickToons to die. If there's a cartoon that may have been screwed over more though, it would be Pinky Malinky. It was announced to air on Nickelodeon, on their own channel and website, and kept getting delayed until it ended production and was shoved onto Netflix. I don't believe it got much notoriety.
@kevinmccallister1992
@kevinmccallister1992 3 жыл бұрын
Message of the story Nickelodeon is a lousy company who only relies on a Sponge 🧽 .
@MissVavoom7519
@MissVavoom7519 2 жыл бұрын
It's pathetic that a company would horde a cartoon just to get rich
@janecklyn
@janecklyn 4 жыл бұрын
Another goog cartoon getting screwed by Nickelodeon is GlitchTechs. It's not perfect but the series is a lot of fun! They just directly send it to Netflix thinking it wouldn't do well(got good reception though) and it struggled a lot just to get a second season. I really, really want more seasons, it's my comfort show.
@thebrightdiamondtp7871
@thebrightdiamondtp7871 2 жыл бұрын
Just watch Meta Runner or Code Lyoko, those are basically just Glitch Techs but with far better writing and superior animation like Rise of the TMNT.
@pass_
@pass_ 4 жыл бұрын
game theory: is pieguy really made of pie?
@marcellocalbesi
@marcellocalbesi 4 жыл бұрын
The Loud House is the only show Nick has actually treated fairly besides Spongebob in the last 5-10 years.
@shinyagumon7015
@shinyagumon7015 4 жыл бұрын
Only because it was an immediate success which is funny since Spongebob actually took a while before it became a cash cow.
@rayewaddell9668
@rayewaddell9668 2 жыл бұрын
@@shinyagumon7015 Back in the early 00s even shows like the Fairly Oddparents, Avatar; TLA and Jimmy Neutron were given time to grow as well along with SpongeBob.
@JosephRomano
@JosephRomano 4 жыл бұрын
No! Harvey Beaks was not treated fairly because Nick saw that I didn’t have good ratings and decided to move it to Nicktoons to die. *Harvey Beaks was a good show. The creator of Harvey Beaks also created Chowder and had the same aspect and passion for it. Nick is not the same as it once was :(
@zedonathin330
@zedonathin330 4 жыл бұрын
It was treated terribly, much like shows like Catscratch and Mr. Meaty were before it
@Zacman1123
@Zacman1123 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@BlindmanPepperspray
@BlindmanPepperspray 4 жыл бұрын
I loved Catscratch. 1 season is a crime
@JCDenton205
@JCDenton205 4 жыл бұрын
well most people (including myself) didn't or don't like mr meaty so
@Zacman1123
@Zacman1123 4 жыл бұрын
@@JCDenton205 guess I'm in a minority cause I loved Mr Meaty.
@Garyfan2001
@Garyfan2001 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget El Tigre. They aired it for awhile, but by the end of 2007. There was no sign of the show at all, i actually looked on the nickstory wiki. and found that, just like Chalk Zone and All Grown Up. They aired the show at 7:00 am in the morning, and continued to do that. and then i found out a few months ago that the final few episodes were pushed over to Nicktoons, the same thing applies to My Life as a Teenage Robot
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 4 жыл бұрын
Harvey Beaks deserves to have a second chance, though. It would be better if it is revived on Netflix or Hulu.
@BlindmanPepperspray
@BlindmanPepperspray 4 жыл бұрын
I just wish that there is a way this show can come back without greedy mainstream companies. I hate that Viacom steals the rights for shows they didn’t create. This should be a crime to creators that worked so hard and take years to create something just to ruin it and take the rights away. The creators should have the freedom to do what they want with their creations. Not Viacom or other companies.
@acmeanvil3022
@acmeanvil3022 4 жыл бұрын
Or CBSAllAccess/ Paramount+
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlindmanPepperspray That's why executive meddling is considered to be the problem. Whether if it has good intentions or not, it still have a chance to take away the freedom of creators of the content and effectively taking away your rights (and in this case, your reputation).
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 4 жыл бұрын
@@andykishore That's just disappointing. Even Disney+ haven't gotten an international release yet.
@HeadshotKing0107
@HeadshotKing0107 2 жыл бұрын
@PuffyHairedGhost In 2016 Nickelodeon Moved Miraculous Ladybug To Disney Channel All Because Nickelodeon Promoted It's First Season For Disney To Promote It's 2nd Season In 2017. Similar Thing Happen To Apple & Onion On Cartoon Network. They Promoted It's First Season For Only 10 Episodes Between February & March Of 2018 Fun Fact: Miraculous Ladybug Used To Air After Raven's Home In 2017
@Lauren_210
@Lauren_210 4 жыл бұрын
With the poor treatment the Legend of Korra got from Nick several years ago when it came to little advertising for Book 3 to suddenly putting the rest of Book 3 and Book 4 online out of nowhere (alongside not giving Bryke the proper time to properly plan out the entire story of Korra with the original plan being only one book) and then hearing about Harvey Beaks to hardly seeing it air on the network, Nick has really angered me with how little they seem to care about their programming (especially when it comes to cartoons that are not Spongebob). I haven't watched the channel since 2013 when Book 3 of Korra was airing on TV and it saddens me that C.H. Greenblatt got such poor treatment with his project he worked on for over seven years only for it to be thrown away into obscurity. When I was a kid watching Nick during the early 2000s to early 2010s, they seemed to have cared at the time but it feels like it's a ghostown these days and disrespecting creators such as C.H. Greenblatt and the late Stephen Hillenburg with the Kamp Koral spinoff (which was against Stephen's wishes since he didn't want spinoffs). Unless Nick shows signs of improvement and has content I can get invested in, I won't be watching their network anytime soon.
@gracekim1998
@gracekim1998 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I remember when it was randomly put online
@jtlovescodelyoko
@jtlovescodelyoko 3 жыл бұрын
You're so correct, the treatment of Korra, as well as also to miraculous ladybug, like I didn't watch Nickalodeon again until Hey Arnold The Jungle Movie aired
@ExtremeWreck
@ExtremeWreck 3 жыл бұрын
I'm from the future: Nickelodeon has gotten A MILLION TIMES WORSE.
@nickgadson266
@nickgadson266 4 жыл бұрын
Harvey Beaks was such an iconic show with good ratings. Dumping it to Nicktoons was definitely one of Nickelodeon’s worst mistakes.
@Vaporwades
@Vaporwades 4 жыл бұрын
I was actually babysitting some kids the night Harvey Beaks aired for the first time. Cause we were watching the Kids Choice Awards and we happened to catch this airing. It was such a cute show, it's ashame what happened to it.
@strikerwott1222
@strikerwott1222 4 жыл бұрын
It still absolutely frustrates me how this show was treated. I loved this show so much when it was on, and it’s a huge shame what happened to it. I feel so sorry for CH Greenblatt and I hope he’s doing better with the new show he’s working on now
@YaBoiBrendo
@YaBoiBrendo 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t recall seeing Harvey Beaks everyday on Nick, but fucking hell, I don’t remember it being this absent front the network.
@BugsyFoga
@BugsyFoga 4 жыл бұрын
This honestly doesn't surprise me in the least knowing track record of this kind of behavior , and the fact that's way it is really sadness me .
@KiiBon
@KiiBon 3 жыл бұрын
Putting your show on Nickelodeon is a deathwish
@cnnickanddisneyfanboy9523
@cnnickanddisneyfanboy9523 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, and here are the cartoons Disney screwed over by putting it on Disney XD: -Wander Over Yonder -The 7D -Future-Worm! -Milo’s Murphy Law -Billy Dilley’s Super Subterranean Summer -DuckTales 2017 -Big Hero 6: The Series
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about the anime Disney licensed
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 4 жыл бұрын
@Henrystrikesback ye It could be a big thing in ameirca if it got on the main channel. Same with Doraemon although I kinda liked how Dinsey XD had the old feel of cartoon network complete with there own version of Toonami
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 4 жыл бұрын
@Henrystrikesback like whats funny is that Doraemon is a multi million property that could have made Disney billions with merchandise but now the company that owns Doraemon thinks that it can't work in Ameirca
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 4 жыл бұрын
@Henrystrikesback Nah cartoon network got it in the UK and threw it on Boomerang. The only thing I would trust would be a streaming service
@juanstrong3695
@juanstrong3695 4 жыл бұрын
@CartoonNetworkandNickelodeonFanboy , Ducktales didn't get screwed over. They even said that they wrapped up the story and got to tell what they wanted to.
@TransformersGuy1991
@TransformersGuy1991 2 жыл бұрын
Well, clearly, they couldn't replace the precious Spongebob reruns on the main channel I guess.
@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ
@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ 3 жыл бұрын
A better question would be is there any show that Nickelodeon didn't treat unfairly? Seriously those guys might just be the worst network out there
@BlythePennyBicycle21
@BlythePennyBicycle21 3 жыл бұрын
Other than Spongebob, the only other show they treat well is The Loud House (and to a lesser extent, The Casagrandes).
@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ
@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlythePennyBicycle21 should SpongeBob even count? These are the people that waited for his creator to die so that they can make spin offs
@rayewaddell9668
@rayewaddell9668 2 жыл бұрын
@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ To answer that question, well yes back then. A few shows did get some good treatment and wasn’t moved to Nicktoons when they ended; 1. Rugrats 2. Jimmy Neutron 3. Fairy Oddparents(Yes I know it moved to Nicktoons back in 2017, but in the 00s it was treated fairly) 4. Avatar; The Last Airbender 5. Danny Phantom(Some can say that Phantom Planet wasn’t a good finale but at least it still ended and didn’t get milked like the Fairy Oddparents or SpongeBob) 6.Rocket Power We can hate them but look at the bright side, at least these some of these shows didn’t hit seasonal rot like SpongeBob and The Fairy Oddparents did.
@alexkumaratunga2834
@alexkumaratunga2834 3 жыл бұрын
The X's and Catscratch are the worst offenders, to the point where they don't even acknowledge them. Like, I've heard that they were making more Avatar spinoffs, and the only thing I am thinking about all of this is this: Did you guys just forget that you made 2 other shows in 2005? You could try to make those 2 shows more memorable to people instead of making more series of a show that already worked.
@superkonijn988
@superkonijn988 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like a very clear and cut case of Nickelodeon's approach of new shows needing to be succesful at the spot and not giving it time to grow popular.
@acmeanvil3022
@acmeanvil3022 4 жыл бұрын
Is this going to be a regular series where a look is taken at how much airtime a show got? Also if you thought Harvey Beaks got the raw end of the deal (which it undoubtebly did), wait until you see what happened with Welcome to the Wayne.
@IdeaBox-dk5vj
@IdeaBox-dk5vj 4 жыл бұрын
With what? Don't just pull a Sopranos on us! Tell us what the show you're comparing Harvey Beaks to even is!
@Gurasola
@Gurasola 4 жыл бұрын
@@IdeaBox-dk5vj Too late. The Nick execs got to them first.
@IdeaBox-dk5vj
@IdeaBox-dk5vj 4 жыл бұрын
@@Gurasola You know, I didn't plan for that outcome. As such, I actually laughed at this.
@acmeanvil3022
@acmeanvil3022 4 жыл бұрын
@@IdeaBox-dk5vj I meant to refer to Welcome to the Wayne. It put the show's name in italic font and it didn't register.
@IdeaBox-dk5vj
@IdeaBox-dk5vj 4 жыл бұрын
@@acmeanvil3022 Oh. Now that you mention it, I have to agree with you.
@hyperdrive282
@hyperdrive282 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see this become into a series. This wasn’t the only show treated in this same way, airing it frequently when it had few episodes then burning it off and not giving it another chance. Heck this isn’t even the only network that did this. I think all three main networks are guilty and I think this whole formula needs to be further investigated. Still, a good video that makes you think about how shows are treated.
@skibot9974
@skibot9974 4 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting format i wouldn’t mind seeing more of this
@backbayproductions9508
@backbayproductions9508 4 жыл бұрын
Not only that but the HB Fandom is dying. Me and my buddies try and make HB content so we can keep the show alive one way or another but it seemed to have failed for a while but it's going really well lately. I think the HB Fandom may be alive and getting more fans after all...
@mediafanatic.4730
@mediafanatic.4730 4 жыл бұрын
Great Job on the video Pieguy. I myself was shocked at how empty Harvey Beaks’s airtime was. Also on the note of Nicktoons not being available on a lot of cable packages there were some cable providers outside of some cable companies. You could not even watch it in High Definition (HD) and could only watch in Standard Definition (SD).
@Tendo641
@Tendo641 4 жыл бұрын
Two months. They gave this show TWO MONTHS to live up to SpongeBob. Are you fucking serious? Here I was thinking something like a year, and even THAT isn't enough. SpongeBob ITSELF didn't even become that popular that fast! Sure, it was fairly popular from the start, but it took about a year or two to rise to the overwhelming success it is now, didn't it? But they don't want their shows to be "fairly popular," they want them to be the next SpongeBob. Whoever is running this network is delusional.
@eatatjoe
@eatatjoe 4 жыл бұрын
Before Spongebob got popular they weren't even interested in it - hell, according to Micah Wright, who worked on Catdog, everyone wanted to work on Spongebob but Nickelodeon were dead set on *Catdog* becoming their next hit and ordered like 100 episodes of it, threatening artists to work on the show. Catdog didn't even make it to 70, and I assume that, plus the rise in popularity of the little yellow guy subsequently motivated them for a long-con revenge scheme that made future shows and its own reputation suffer because Nickelodeon is like a greedy, petty toddler. "Fine, you want Spongebob? *We'll give you $pongebob..."*
@CrowRider1999
@CrowRider1999 4 жыл бұрын
Jeez...at first, it actually seemed like they were giving it a chance. Then May 2015 came and they basically stopped trying entirely! Also, why would you run a Christmas special not even HALFWAY into December?! It’d make more sense to air it around the 15th or closer to the day. It just comes off as them wanting fodder for what they were airing back then.
@a-comical-amount-of-mints
@a-comical-amount-of-mints 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, they could have made an early December premiere work. Other shows have done so in the past. (If I remember correctly, CN's done that a number of times!) But there was absolutely NO excuse for them not to bother rerunning the episode at least ONCE, ESPECIALLY after completely screwing up the timeslot of the initial premiere, and as for that screw-up in question...that was a level of incompetence the likes of which I have never seen before. WHAT happened there?!
@Vaporwades
@Vaporwades 4 жыл бұрын
This is a really good video, PieGuy. This was really eye opening, as I had known they didn't treat this show well, but I hadn't known just the extent at which it was mistreated. I really really liked this show, at least the few episodes I saw, and after seeing this video, I want to give it another chance. I'm a huge fan of C.H. Greenblatt's work, especially his work on spongebob and of course Chowder, both shows I grew up with. I feel so sorry for the guy, after his hard work creating this show was smothered by nickelodeon and the sponge. It's just ... Tragic.
@superkeegan9100
@superkeegan9100 4 жыл бұрын
This is despicable... Harvey Beaks didn't deserve all the crap it got...
@abdullahibouraleh6919
@abdullahibouraleh6919 4 жыл бұрын
Was Harvey Beaks treated fairly by Nickelodeon? No, absolutely not. I have barely watched this show myself, but the fact that Nickelodeon barely gave the show a chance is disgusting. As Pieguy pointed out, Harvey's and SpongeBob's ratings in September 2015 weren't too different. If Harvey aired more consistently, the show could've been more successful. I'm not sure if it would ever be as popular as SpongeBob, but at least do good. After all, SpongeBob had consistent airings back in 1999, when it was a new show. And to SpongeBob's credit, Nickelodeon barely air new SpongeBob episodes either. Episodes can be put on hold for months, even years. I'm disappointed in Nickelodeon. How can they treat a cartoon like that? Is that even good for business?? And as a SpongeBob fan myself (yes, still), this kind of treatment of cartoons will only cause more vitriol towards SpongeBob, which infuriates me.
@DanzigFan-vq3zf
@DanzigFan-vq3zf 4 жыл бұрын
Abdullahi Bouraleh I think Spongebob just needs to be let go
@abdullahibouraleh6919
@abdullahibouraleh6919 4 жыл бұрын
@@DanzigFan-vq3zf Not just yet, IMO. I'd like SpongeBob to at least still have Season 13.
@gerardgarcia8501
@gerardgarcia8501 4 жыл бұрын
I really want Harvey Beaks(along with other nicktoons, because 2021 is their 30th anniversary) to be on Netflix SO BAD
@thecupheadfan1837
@thecupheadfan1837 4 жыл бұрын
Harvey Beaks deserves better.
@marcosgamesbrasilreviews78
@marcosgamesbrasilreviews78 4 жыл бұрын
Nickelodeon cancelled harvey bearks and most episodes of breadwinners Hearvey beaks is good creative and funny But Breadwinners is sh*****
@carlyskolnik296
@carlyskolnik296 4 жыл бұрын
I agree and it was also a cute and wholesome show which is why I loved it
@swaysway1362
@swaysway1362 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@RocasRocks
@RocasRocks 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion Harvey Beaks was not treated well
@garjo7131
@garjo7131 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, if anything, this video proves that it's not an opinion at all, but a rock solid fact.
@Trent-Girone
@Trent-Girone 4 жыл бұрын
*Beaks
@FASArchives
@FASArchives 4 жыл бұрын
The Cyma era is something I won't miss at all. The first few years were fine especially with the Nicktoons Thanksgiving 2007 marathon (where they aired all the first episode of their cartoons that they had up to this point). But once iCarly became successful, Nick decided to put animation to backside and focus more on live-action sitcoms that were rather similar to Disney (I respect them, but I hate how much they got promoted more than the new Nicktoons at the time). And the management were really harsh on new cartoons. I'm just glad we have a new president who knows how to treat animation with respect.
@eatatjoe
@eatatjoe 4 жыл бұрын
By being the complete opposite of Cyma and milking the hell out of two shows while cancelling the ones that barely break the ratings. Yeah, "respect."
@cozmactudioz9924
@cozmactudioz9924 4 жыл бұрын
Man haven't heard about this series in a few years, maybe since 2016 or 2017.
@cnnickanddisneyfanboy9523
@cnnickanddisneyfanboy9523 4 жыл бұрын
Not only Nick but CN and Disney also screwed over some of their cartoons: Here are the cartoons CN screwed over: -The Moxy Show -Robot Jones -Megas XLR -Juniper Lee -Chowder -Flapjack -Adventure Time (Seasons 7-10) -Regular Show (Season 8) -Sym-Bionic Titan -Robotomy -Secret Mountain Fort Awesome -Steven Universe (during 2017 and 2018) -Mighty Magiswords -OK KO! Too lazy to tell how did they got screwed over.
@Zacman1123
@Zacman1123 4 жыл бұрын
What shows did Disney screw over?
@Gone-q9c
@Gone-q9c 4 жыл бұрын
@@Zacman1123 Wander Over Yonder
@MuteCrimson
@MuteCrimson 4 жыл бұрын
at least i remember seeing all these shows airing on CN, whenever nick has a new show i see it once and never again on the main channel
@MegaSoulHero
@MegaSoulHero 4 жыл бұрын
@@Zacman1123 And DuckTales 2017
@ashlynberry7206
@ashlynberry7206 4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't really allowed to watch anything but Spongebob on Nickelodeon, but saw a few episodes of this while on vacation. I don't really remember much about the episodes, but I think I enjoyed them. It's really sad to see Nick treat cartoons poorly just because they don't get the same viewership as a longer running, more popular cartoon.
@pleoTCA
@pleoTCA 4 жыл бұрын
I think that’s what Nick usually did with new shoes, continue to re ran the same first episodes for a couple weeks from what I recall
@redwaytoo
@redwaytoo 10 ай бұрын
3:54 Reruns were actually SUPER important for cable, and SpongeBob' s and The Loud House's ability to still have strong ratings with reruns was crucial for their success. I mean, from channel's point if view, they get to make the same ammount of ad money for doing nothing, it's a dream come true
@baryardeni9731
@baryardeni9731 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly it is not new that Nickelodeon are not giving their new shows the chance that they deserve if they don't hit the high ratings of SpongeBob. Somehow, The Loud House did manage to have that luck. The rest, though - no high rating, no for Nickelodeon. -_-
@baryardeni9731
@baryardeni9731 4 жыл бұрын
I actually love The Loud House, but I completely agree that this show deserved much, much better.
@wilderac2250
@wilderac2250 4 жыл бұрын
I watched every episode of Harvey beaks. And let me tell you that this show was doomed for failure from the start. I remember when greenblatt announced the show on tumblr. One question came from a fan saying “I loved this show but why is it on nick?” He responded by saying because they believed in me (I’m paraphrasing) . It says a lot about the network when that was a frequently asked question before the show was even cancelled. I remember before the show even aired there wasn’t much promotion on the premiere outside of a few weeks maybe even a month. Meanwhile I remember seeing sneak peeks and lots of promotions of loud house months before it premiered. I love loud house as much as I loved harvey beaks but even I noticed that nick was airing and promoting The later show wayyyyyyy more than the former and it shows. because harvey beaks crumbled and was sent to die within 2 years. while the loud house is still here nearly 5 years later. Had nick gave out equal promotion and reruns we’d probably wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
@TuesdaysArt
@TuesdaysArt 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder why he wouldn't stick with CN, especially since he already had a show on the network. Did he have a bad experience? Did CN executives not like the idea? Did Nick have a (seemingly) better offer? I don't really get it.
@wilderac2250
@wilderac2250 4 жыл бұрын
@@TuesdaysArt greenblatt once said CN pretty much cancelled chowder out of nowhere so maybe he wasn’t happy how that was handled. Plus he got his start on a Nickelodeon show, so he was familiar with the studio.
@wilderac2250
@wilderac2250 4 жыл бұрын
@@andykishore somebody has too.
@wilderac2250
@wilderac2250 4 жыл бұрын
@Dusk Raccoon if you have little faith in something, Don’t waist time and money on it. Greenblatt could’ve saved 7 years of his life on something else had nick not gave him the greenlight to begin with. You can’t just give up on something so quickly and expect good results
@joegreen3802
@joegreen3802 4 жыл бұрын
I admit, that I never really got into Harvey Beaks. It just sadly wasn't for me. But even then, I feel sorry for it's fans and creator here. This is ridiculous.
@HeadshotKing0107
@HeadshotKing0107 2 жыл бұрын
Nickelodeon 2016 Miraculous Ladybug (Moved To Disney Channel After Season 1 In 2017) Alvinnn! & The Chipmunks (Moved To NickToons) The Loud House (First Episode Released In 2016) SpongeBob SquarePants Harvey Beaks Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012 Version) (Moved To NickToons) Sanjay & Craig (Moved To NickToons) Breadwinners (Moved To NickToons) Fairy OddParents (Moved To NickToons In 2017)
@legomanjoshie5674
@legomanjoshie5674 4 жыл бұрын
When you realize nick treated fanboy and chum chum better than Harvey beaks
@Deley18
@Deley18 4 жыл бұрын
And that they favored Fanboy and Chum Chum over Adventure Time.
@gangueevee
@gangueevee 4 жыл бұрын
I remember reading on TV Tropes that they suddenly bring Harvey Beaks back after June, when The Loud House became a huge hit. I'm honestly wondering if there were any Loud House episodes that aired alongside Harvey, because apparently both Halloween episodes aired alongside each other and they immediately decided to rerun Tricked a butt load of times (which I do remember that happening). Also, I'll be real, it shouldn't matter if a Halloween episode doesn't air on Halloween. As long as it's on October, it's fine for a Halloween episode to air.
@samuelb-1406
@samuelb-1406 4 жыл бұрын
Another instance of Nickelodeon screwing over the show early on was airing a few episodes on Sundays.
@m_udwhitman2649
@m_udwhitman2649 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly it wasn't such a bad show but I feel like it was suppose to be on Cartoon Network
@cutiewintersnowtorres2561
@cutiewintersnowtorres2561 3 жыл бұрын
This is a giant yikes...like at this point cartoonist would just not wanna mess with any company if their series is gonna end up like this. Which just makes me sad knowing that there are good/non-toxic cartoonist/group who want to make a show since they spent their years of studying. Only for companies to just flat out cancel it.
@gingerroberts7936
@gingerroberts7936 4 жыл бұрын
Herb Scannell was just like Cyma Zarghami. The only good president Nickelodeon ever had was Geraldine Laybourne.
@bentheg9793
@bentheg9793 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, Herb Scannell is overrated
@jaimedanielhernandezrios5398
@jaimedanielhernandezrios5398 4 жыл бұрын
I want to also add that in the premiere date of the "Spitting Tree" putting the show before SpongeBob was a big deal not only being the new episode in over a year but also remembering that "Sponge out of water" released earlier in the year so Spongebob was again on the mainstream mind with the second movie. If they wanted it, Harvey Beaks could've had a big chance if they premiered more episodes earlier and rerun it a bit more. It is also mindblowing how hard Nick ditched it in the first 2 months. Is like a new executive came and wanted it off the radar. Guess what? here in my house, we're changing cable provider and Nick's main channel is now outside basic pack so I don't have to support in any way Nick with their scummy practices. and with the programming they have, might as well be Boomerang with the same shows on repeat. I still love SpongeBob and other Nicktoons but this network has shown nothing but contempt to its creators. Hope that someday it can change for the better but I don't see that happening.
@BBWahoo
@BBWahoo 4 жыл бұрын
HARVEY WAS GROOMED BY NICKELODEON!? Oh wait, thank god.
@nickgarraud6080
@nickgarraud6080 4 жыл бұрын
It stinks that Nickelodeon was screwing around with Harvey beaks, but that show deserves to be treated better in my opinion. The reason why I got into this show is because it has so many interesting characters and Charming story telling. Hopefully maybe Netflix or paramount+ can pick it up for a revival.
@oshabot1646
@oshabot1646 Жыл бұрын
this show is so screwed that in Latin america the dub is almost fully lost and as of now it isnt on any streaming service
@CrossoverFan4life
@CrossoverFan4life 4 жыл бұрын
What's worse the Treatment of Harvey Beaks or profitting off a dead man and trying to make a Spongebob spinoff knowing he didn't want spinoffs. Starting to get tough
@alphadog647
@alphadog647 2 жыл бұрын
The head executives at Nickelodeon deserved to be doxxed for what they've done, especially Brian Robbins!
@Kittenfox_55
@Kittenfox_55 4 жыл бұрын
I remember watching Harvey beaks Both on Nickelodeon & on Nick 2 to help it's ratings, Nick 2 is some weird channel that's Nick's Schedule but from a couple hours earlier.
@MrPollitogatito
@MrPollitogatito 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Nick 2 shows everything from 3 hours earlier. Don’t know what the point of it is, but sometimes I just use it to watch reruns of SpongeBob (which is the only Nickelodeon show I watch to this day)
@bluebear8741
@bluebear8741 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Harvey Beaks should air on CN! At least they give their shows a chance, UNLIKE SOME NETWORK!!!
@gingerroberts7936
@gingerroberts7936 4 жыл бұрын
I wrote an essay on how badly Nickelodeon treated "The Brothers Flub". I went into full detail.
@freakfoxvevo7915
@freakfoxvevo7915 4 жыл бұрын
Would you mind showing said essay to us?
@gingerroberts7936
@gingerroberts7936 4 жыл бұрын
@@freakfoxvevo7915 I cant. I don't have it typed anywhere.
@freakfoxvevo7915
@freakfoxvevo7915 4 жыл бұрын
@@gingerroberts7936 You can read it through a video
@Marylandbrony
@Marylandbrony 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do the same with the legend of Korra? I recall one of the season finales being the same weekend of Brian Griffin being killed off in Family Guy.
@eatatjoe
@eatatjoe 4 жыл бұрын
Nicktoons is pretty much a graveyard channel now and it'd be interesting to see a video on that deevolution.
@infinitedreamer9359
@infinitedreamer9359 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Nobody in the animation community has really gone into the Nicktoons channel and how it changed over time.
@eatatjoe
@eatatjoe 4 жыл бұрын
@@infinitedreamer9359 Hell, It's Pony got sent to the Nicktoons glue factory.
@sherifflasso
@sherifflasso 3 жыл бұрын
My heart broke when you said Nick aired Harvey Beaks for 11 hours in 2016
@Benny_Frank
@Benny_Frank 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video like this for Korra
@MadChristoph
@MadChristoph 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this modern cartoon deserved justice. Btw please review Sponge on the Run
@KirbyMario12345_939
@KirbyMario12345_939 4 жыл бұрын
I’d definitely enjoy more videos in this format!
@racepace9955
@racepace9955 4 жыл бұрын
Please make more videos like this. This is amazing stuff
@gracekim1998
@gracekim1998 4 жыл бұрын
I genuinely regret not giving it a fair shot sooner
@bigsterman2055
@bigsterman2055 4 жыл бұрын
And now they did the same thing with Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
@teardroptimothy5000
@teardroptimothy5000 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video bro it was cool have a nice day😀
@watchforever1724
@watchforever1724 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think most people didn’t get into even when the show first came out .It’s hard for everyone to get into a show especially when it’s new .I mean pony is the best example when the show started this year and I can guarantee that not everyone probably enjoyed it
@MaherandIbrahimsAvengers
@MaherandIbrahimsAvengers 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh every Nickalodeon show past 2010 have been screwed over by Nick one way or another
@wilderac2250
@wilderac2250 4 жыл бұрын
June 2016 context was in a bomb format because they aired it back to back with new episodes of the then newest nicktoon “loud house” which premiered a month prior in May
@zane_swaldo
@zane_swaldo 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing this into light Pieguy
@londonjackson8986
@londonjackson8986 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, The Mighty Ones definitely got lucky to be on Hulu, cause holy shit this is EVEN worse than I excepted. And I excepted the worst...
@Deley18
@Deley18 4 жыл бұрын
I am not that much of a Harvey Beaks viewer, but it boggles my mind that Nickelodeon would air Steampunk parts one and two on two separate days and never again, shutting out the experience of watching it in full.
@higbeeproductions2340
@higbeeproductions2340 4 жыл бұрын
The people at Nickelodeon won’t care about any other shell because all they care about is that damn sponge
@gingerroberts7936
@gingerroberts7936 4 жыл бұрын
That sponge must DIE!!
@Dabathhouse
@Dabathhouse 4 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness that was confirmed. Can you please do Rise of TMNT airdate ratings? It's because I was quite curious how this one got treated much worse than Harvey Beaks and I watched it on kimcartoon first and then amazon prime video for the rest of season two along with season 1 finale.
@LouiesVarietyHour
@LouiesVarietyHour 4 жыл бұрын
Man this is a cool video I know you don't like the franchise but you could do something like this for Rise of the TMNT, it was also treated badly by nick
@ryangallagher9723
@ryangallagher9723 4 жыл бұрын
Nickelodeon's Philosophy of New Mid-to-Late 2000s Cartoons: Is its popularity after 26 episodes comparable to that of SpongeBob? Yes? BEAT IT INTO THE GROUND AND AIR IT NONSTOP UNTIL PEOPLE GET SICK OF IT. No? GIVE IT THE AXE.
@goalhorncrazy9779
@goalhorncrazy9779 4 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure the show aired a crap ton on Nicktoons, for all that’s worth
@BlindmanPepperspray
@BlindmanPepperspray 4 жыл бұрын
Not really. Way more than it was on Nick which had 16 hours in total till moved into Nicktoons
@CelibateSaihara
@CelibateSaihara 4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, Nicktoons, where Nicktoons go to die.
@pass_
@pass_ 4 жыл бұрын
here in the uk, nicktoons airs nothing but endless spongebob, loud house and horrid henry (a show that was already on free tv channels and you can watch every episode for free on youtube)
@Zacman1123
@Zacman1123 4 жыл бұрын
That's actually not worth as much as you think.
@GrandCorsair
@GrandCorsair 4 жыл бұрын
I mean you had to even have nicktoons which here at least was part of more expensive bundles.
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