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@stellarpod2 жыл бұрын
Very enlightening. I'm 66 years old and spent my entire career in the oil/gas valve manufacturing business, half in Engineering and the other half in Sales/Marketing. I completely understand your frustration when you try to have a proper dialog with the manufacturer and get condescending, non--responsive attitude in return. Our company learned early on the value of listening to complaints from the field, and more importantly, ACTING on those complaints. First actions are to honor warranty, as they apparently have. But, the more important action is to adjust design/manufacturing aspects as necessary to improve the product. I'm [currently] not in the market for a turbo kit, but I can see the legitimacy of your concern. The engineering side of me concurs with your conclusions. Jackson Racing ignores these at their own peril. As always, thanks for sharing. Steve
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!!
@1gr8oil2 жыл бұрын
I don;t own a Honda Talon, but if I did, I would definitely not install a $6K piece of equipment to increase the performance without doing some serious investigations! Thanks for sharing this information, and SHAME on Jackson Racing for not listening to the customers!
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
You can’t investigate when you’re the first one to buy it. I made the video for others to be prepared.
@SandHollowTV2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your true honest opinion Russell. And this video is great for the talon community. I don’t know anyone that has as much seat time with a turbo talon then you. That header from bell engines is stout 👌🏼 and I can’t wait to see your car finished with all that HP 🤘🏼
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother!!
@FletchDoesIt2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your troubles… ack. I like your comment about being married to their product. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Trouble is, one never knows what it’s truly like on the other side until you are there and committed. While your ongoing issues with JR are inexcusable, I truly wonder if CW would be any better once you’ve committed and purchased their product? Seems that JR is more worried about $$, rather than doing the right thing. (Scrapping an order of 1,000 headers, because they need to pivot, and redesign it as one imperfect example.) Seems this is just a sign of the times we are living in IMO? Regardless, thank you so much for the invaluable service you are offering the community Russell, and the sacrifices you have have made! Youdaman!
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thank you & always good to hear from you!
@videosatrandomplease99332 жыл бұрын
First off thanks for the content. As bad as a Polaris... 🔥 burn!! Unfortunately... my turbo kit is on order. I guess we need to weigh out repairing turbo vs replacing a belt. It's starting to look more enticing. Maybe we reach out to Honda to hold Jackson accountable. It's not just Jackson being dragged in the mud. Jackson has the monopoly being honda honors the factory warranty with Jackson's kit so maybe that's part of the lack of motivation to improve. Honda (any sxs dealer) doesn't recognize the turbo kit in the trade value. The krafts kit looked a little janky for lack of a better term (for now). It's really unfortunate Jackson has not tried to improved their product or apprecitiated your feedback. I got a turbo kit because I need the power for the dunes but I don't put nearly the miles on my talon.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and I agree!!
@videosatrandomplease99332 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Russell. I reached out to machine shop. I was the greenhorn.. I think he went and got pics lol showing what I need to send him off your machine.
@gotalon2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Russell, when company’s play the Blame Game and aren’t flexible in their manufacturing of their products it’s a clear sign to steer clear of their products! Thank goodness that there are other companies stepping up! 👍👍
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy! I hope you’re doing well! I definitely need to come see you! Scout makes traveling complicated.
@gotalon2 жыл бұрын
@@gravesru yep pets will do that, we have a cat so it’s a bit easier, but only for two days max😕
@GarzaGangAdventures2 жыл бұрын
Wow man, great video. Definitely appreciate the honest opinion and review. The turbo is going to be the biggest cost in the Talon, and you’ve definitely pushed me to the kraftwerks.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mikevann9792 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being brutally honest. I've been watching since the beginning and you've been giving them chances to fix thier issues for a long time. Good to see real content!
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thank you and thanks for watching!
@terrymccloud20892 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video there will be no Jackson turbo kit for me
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@kylebokor70832 жыл бұрын
Yeah my mount has broke 2 times I am ready to switch up to PPEI HEADER and PV3 setup. I feel your pain dude
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
JR says I’m the only one! Lol
@ImPaCtGroundBreaking2 жыл бұрын
Hey Russel, way off of subject but you might take a look at Babbits online. The 2022 honda talon looks like they relocated the instrument cluster to the steer column. If it fits older machines it looks like less then 20 bucks to fix that problem....Thank you for your videos, hope to be a future talon owner.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ve looked at it, also changed the front of the talon a little too! Thanks for watching
@cid90992 жыл бұрын
WOW1!! 😳 New to SxSs myself (aged out dirt biker) and was watching the Jackson with interest (because it got so much good press). But I live in Denver and ride up to 13k feet and had heard that the Jackson failed miserably at altitude, you just confirmed it. That they won't own their failures is inexcusable - no Jackson for me. As a hobby welder, I'd have gusseted that support bracket the first time it failed; that Jackson still hasn't fixed it is pathetic. I don't have the patience to go through the disappointments you have. Thank you for the video. 👍 As for Jackson's business practices and customer support - 🖕
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Chevy2Man2 жыл бұрын
This basically tells me that if I plan to turbo charge my Talon that I will start with engine internals and a bell header. Anyone that is wanting to make serious power and have great tune ability should look into a standalone ecu (ie motec). If I’m spending thousands of dollars to turbo charge, I’m going that route.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
You’ll need pistons, head studs, injectors etc, just a PPEI tune, not a separate ecu
@Chevy2Man2 жыл бұрын
@@gravesru I realize those other engine hard parts are needed as well but tuning with an engine with a flash after spending a bunch of money on building the engine is not a good idea. A stand-alone ecu with individual exhaust temp monitoring as well as air/fuel ratios would be optimal. Cody Phillips racing would be a good place to start.
@pumpsack5052 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video. I had been debating the JR turbo.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching
@mandytuning2 жыл бұрын
O2 sensors goes in the downpipe not in the header of a turbocharged engine. There is a tremendous amount of backpressure in the header that will throw the reading of the 02 sensor , especially wideband
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
The O2 sensor goes in the exhaust, AFR gauge goes in the turbo exit pipe, and the dynojet dual wide band goes in the header.
@BLeegard11 ай бұрын
Hey there Russel,, I am a 2020 live Valve 4 owner with 6200+ miles,,,original owner, I am looking at getting the 1000R-4 live valve,, wanting to have a Jackson Turbo installed,,,, well not now ,, the Kraftworks quality of materials,thickness of metal,,and price,,, that seems to be the direction to go ,,,, unless there is someone else who has a kit better than Jackson’s and Kraftworks,,, love my Talon,,
@gravesru11 ай бұрын
What type of riding do you do? The Jackson tune is the only one that properly adjusts for elevation.
@SirensC310 ай бұрын
My Dad’s Talon is blown up cause the air filter is not worth a shit. He has 400 miles on it and has cleaned the air filter twice already. Somehow dirt got to the turbo and engine. Now it is hurt. Honda won’t warranty it. Jackson won’t warranty it. So he is out thousands of dollars to fix a new rig. Honda can eat my ass. I will never buy their crap again.
@DonziGT2302 жыл бұрын
The response to your help to Jackson is even worse than what I got with a company when I told them how to fix their problem, they just ghosted me. I'm guessing his ego was hurt because before doing my mod I asked him his opinion and he said it definitely absolutely wouldn't work and I'd melt my engine down if I did it. As for K&Ns, I've never seen a clean intake tract with them with one exception, my Jeep. It only works because I frequently oil it without cleaning. I'd ditch it but haven't found anything else that'll fit yet.
@ChairMan711962 жыл бұрын
Gusset the turbo bracket and beef up the motor mount if you can weld, or find a buddy.
@bobbymenefee7591 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly! Brace with thicker metal & weld the other part to strengthen it.
@lynchhome Жыл бұрын
Because of this video I took a very close look at my header and the bracket. You can only guess what I found…..had the header welder for now until I can get a new header here. Bracket seems fine but will be addressing that as well. My bracket was loose a little back which is why I guessing the header cracked. 😡😡
@gravesru Жыл бұрын
Sorry it’s broken. Glad you found it though!
@dacuna642 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to install it in the first place being it still has a lot less HP than the competition. Good honest review though. 👍
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@scotthead3038 Жыл бұрын
I noticed you changed your tune on the quality of the Jackson Turbo from two years ago video when you had 7k miles. Is the kit not strong enough to endure rigorous riding like in Baja? Please let me know if it is better to leave the car stock for better reliability? I am looking to buy and talon just for Baja trips which have have broken down a lot.
@gravesru Жыл бұрын
It really depends how much you drive it. I go through a Jackson header every 1500-2000 miles and they’re around $700 each. If reliability is your primary concern, definitely leave it stock. If you want a little more HP and don’t mind additional break downs, go for the turbo kit!
@joemanaben Жыл бұрын
Sorry Russel I need the phone numbers for the custom exhaust pipe an lower support bracket. I can’t find bell engines
@gravesru Жыл бұрын
Motor mount. +1 (406) 366-2160 Bell engines (417) 619-8514
@taylorhoff13512 жыл бұрын
I hope jackson racing sees this and realizes how stupid they look with the enormous amount of people that issues with this. My local dealership wont even recommend this kit.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
I hope they make some changes!
@jbaspros2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, how do I get in touch with Greg for a turbo header? I don't do facebook. Do you have a website address for bell engines?
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Here’s his number! (417) 619-8514
@jbaspros2 жыл бұрын
@@gravesru Thanks for the contact #, Greg is a true professional! Go Ducks!
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
@@jbaspros you’re welcome!! Go ducks!
@mandytuning2 жыл бұрын
The header tube thickness looks for an aspirated engine.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Something is inadequate
@stgraves2602 жыл бұрын
This review shows exactly why a turbo for a SxS is nowhere near worth $6K. That turbo is worth about $800 - $1200 at most.
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Fair price would be around $4k. The turbo itself is about $600
@craigwiddison41182 жыл бұрын
Great video!!
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ChairMan711962 жыл бұрын
Ok I didn’t get that far in the video. You did gusset. Lol
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
It’s a very solid piece now!
@ChairMan711962 жыл бұрын
Looks it
@kolbclassicbuild48714 ай бұрын
Jackson Racing….. Fly by night… here today gone tomorrow..
@bobbymenefee7591 Жыл бұрын
If you can’t weld up a brace you know has a problem, that’s your mistake.
@timjeffreys68552 жыл бұрын
Sound like a disgruntled ex-wife ! Just wondering why you're the only one making this video complaining about JR. if its happening this often to everyone with the JR kit , where are there videos
@gravesru2 жыл бұрын
Do you think everyone with a turbo kit has a KZbin channel and makes videos?? You have no idea how many people has reached out to me with turbo issues since the turbo kit was released. Especially, when the kit didn’t adjust for elevation in the first 6 months. 6 people had their engine blow up in the first week the kit came out, that’s why JR immediately released a 2nd version of the software to make them run extra rich to prevent more engine failures. I could ask why you’re the first negative comment in 1500 views?
@aw96802 жыл бұрын
My JR kit sucks. Sucked to install. It comes apart. Not engineered well. Most people just suck it up and are quiet about it. The parts get swapped with better stuff. Or the machine just gets sold. Russell is not off the mark in this video.
@terrymccloud20892 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video there will be no Jackson turbo kit for me