Watching The Dragon Ball Z Broly Movie And It Was Very Disappointing

[@Akiraspin]

The thing I absolutely adore about Z Broly is he is like a Reverse King Arthur story. We always have stories of the "Chosen One" being this wonderful, educated, peaceful, benevolent purehearted person who uses their strengths for everyones benefit, and yet Broly to the Saiyan species *IS* the Chosen One. He *IS* the one and only *Legendary* Super Saiyan, the one they have waited 1000 years for... and he's *a demented, cruel, sadistic psychopath who uses his power and strength for the pure and sole enjoyment he gains from bloodshed and nothing else.* Bro is literally the *ANTICHRIST* of Dragonball Z. In many ways, he is a representation of what Vegeta and Goku could be if they followed their forefathers instincts. He is a "Perfect Saiyan".

[@SonofAGunFrom410]

Watching Broly without the rock soundtrack is a fucking sin.

[@emmanuelc316]

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[@twin_mae2684]

I remember watching the rock version on KZbin one time and it made the movie better

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

Doesn't make the movies less garbage. No amount of music will overcome the shitty story.

[@newhiphopX]

It’s foul work indeed

[@Popo_Plays]

Then play that sound in background and watch dbs broly movie because it's better then z broly he's just a dumb villain with no brain he's a mad monster he's literally hulk full berserk mode he can even destroy the universe if he was actually that strong 😅

[@djmj1004]

Crazy how Broly was right when he said that all that energy wouldn’t kill him

[@twin_mae2684]

Fr becuz he somehow got frozen in ice😂

[@kingcedman7762]

Shout out Broly for beating the allegations he didn't say the name Kakarot over 10 times. Now don't watch second coming unless you want a headache.

[@Princeofthe6ixx]

I BEEN WAITING FOR HIM TO NOTICE THAT

[@alicepbg2042]

the only thing to watch in second coming is the family kamehameha. and then you imagine a better movie before it

[@minisquirtle9702]

He doesn't say much in the second movie but does have a few normal lines. I just remember him saying "kakarot" when waking up and hearing Goten, SEEING Goten for the first time cause he looks like Goku, and screaming it when he dies when Goku just shows up for a second to blast him into the sun. Mainly appropriate times to say the name really.

[@earendilthemariner5546]

"Not until you lie dead at my feet"

[@SGSensei]

After TFS made their z movie list and ranked it last i had to see if i was tweaking cause I hated Bio Broly. I think they are both competing for ass but if I liked 18 trolling Mr. Satan and Krillin doing Krillin like TFS did more than I do I could see it being better Bio Broly isn't even Broly and the one shaman dude is actually just a whole bitch

[@wollypog2281]

"How much do you love your son" is diabolical

[@RealKingCRK]

Now me personally

[@Jordan-ud4qv]

@@RealKingCRKyou *would* take that because there’s nothing you could do about it

[@SWOTHDRA]

​@@Jordan-ud4qvnever

[@mambology_]

Broly loses all his cool one liners in Second Coming and that’s why he gets that reputation, but in the first movie they treat him as a smarter guy

[@fusion7976]

He has one in the second movie, but yeah I agree

[@taseim.tbennett5026]

Facts

[@clone6141]

mainly because by second coming he's basically insane which is why he doesn't say as much

[@meteorXcaster425]

"Not until you lie dead at my feet"

[@dogelord79]

@@clone6141 to be fair to him on that, goku did almost kill him, the only person able to achieve anything close to that on him, so his insane kakarot obsession makes sense but its still a lame way to take what was such a cool character

[@diogomartins9201]

I think what ruined Z Broly for me were the sequels to this movie and the video games. Where he only says either "Kakorot!" or "Die!". In this movie he is pretty cool honestly.

[@kanestalin7246]

Dont forget Tfs they make him out to be even dumber than Goku

[@MammalianCreature]

@@kanestalin7246 Nah, TFS is a parody and doesn't have the "Dragon Ball" brand actually attached to it. Even non-canon, these were still Dragon Ball movies. Parodies could never ruin something for me, but an official product definitely could.

[@Uno_Hunter]

The bit of "this your mans Doto" anytime Krillin shows up gets me everytime lol

[@jameskirk7901]

30:13: Its not technically the punch that kills him. Broly technically explodes from having too much power that it consumes him and explodes him from within. In the anime (you can check it on youtube) Vegeta states how the Legendary Super Saiyan form consumes and explodes you from within if you dont control your rage and expel your power quickly enough. The punch just opened him up for that to happen it. Also thats why Vegetas the only one whos scared of him throughout the movie. Hes the only one who knows about the saiyan legend truly(Paragus even mentions it). Hes basically saiyan religious and saiyan Jesus just said run ya hands.

[@IIIISai]

Bro the only one who watched the movie

[@Nik_kieth1011]

Dawg piccolo even called his ass out stop the copeium

[@JakeTylenol]

Broly:”Why don’t you give up?” Goku:”I guess I never really learned how to.” A week later Goku:”Cell, I give up.”

[@neexy9669]

he learnt :D

[@TSO_Sage]

😂😂

[@zibblobet3425]

Character development

[@Xiter2024]

Literally a weak later😂😂😂

[@muirick9924]

☠️

[@philswift8793]

Man you are really hurting your viewing experience by not listening to the american soundtrack. The hard rock soundtracks helped define these movies, without them the tone seems bland.

[@parrotlord7393]

The rock music is the best

[@BaithNa]

Hard agree. They also add to the 1990s tone of these movies

[@takezosama]

“THEY CANT DESTROY MY BODY, COLLIDING SLOWWWWWWW”

[@alsaiduq4363]

Idk if it would help, but there's some bangers. They had Drowning Pool and even Disturbed for one of the OST. Crazy 2000s stuff

[@sherrera1098]

Facts. The Rock music really made the old Z movies so damn good🔥. They did so well fitting it into the movies💯. And you can tell it was awesome because the Japanese tried making their own rock soundtrack for the Resurrection F movie

[@spudkin564]

Dude was repeatedly shook to be reminded that Broly can, indeed, talk. His best personality trait is actually that he's a top tier trash talker.

[@cjayden04-87]

“Is that another word for coffin” was a BANGER reply

[@minisquirtle9702]

I swear the most wild thing people misremember about this movie is this man actually being able to speak and doing so throughout the film

[@ablepancakes3769]

Honestly the abridged version is probably the reason for that lol

[@aozorahaou2643]

​@@ablepancakes3769Nah its mostly the games thst when they do it make him only say Kakarot

[@Dovahkiin049]

@@ablepancakes3769 Nah, the abridged version speaks just fine until the very very end which is just before he gets killed by Goku.

[@Seanny313]

Vegeta the battle GENIUS, letting everyone get beat while he devises a plan. Even better, his energy was the saving grace to beat Broly, W Prince fr🔥

[@femto2099]

REAL, my glorious king would never be a hoe

[@IIIISai]

This was a good arc for vegeta, folks call it bad writing this is why i cant take vegeta fans seriously, also added good lore to the universe

[@chazlonewolff3320]

🧐😂🤣

[@kingcedman7762]

Vegeta fans coping hard

[@alatusedits]

​@@IIIISaiit is bad writing lol. Even though toriyama hates vegeta, even he wouldn't disrespect the prince this badly

[@Absolute_Crimson]

The Lssj Transformation just hits less different without the soundtrack behind it Fr.

[@IIIISai]

The dialogue better in sub Edit wait he used a different sub or

[@christopher4249]

True, I mean and also lowkey they honestly need to make an audio mix with the original Japanese audio track with the American placement Rock music on a future re-release edition or something of that sort.

[@OldFolkz]

Nah... this has always been the dub​@@IIIISai

[@Friendly_G]

​@@IIIISai Dub is WAY better for dbz

[@kan-z5p]

Sometimes I feel what broly feels til I'm confused on why he tries to kill Goku in this movie then do trunks Goten and Gohan dirty

[@Firespawn94]

So hot take but contrary to what alot of people say I don't think Vegeta is out of character here. If anything I think it's part of his character development. Any time prior to Buu if Vegeta ran into someone who was CLEARLY AND SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than him, he sorta melted down and went panic mode. He lost his mind when the Ginyu force first showed up, until he got a few zenkai boosts even the idea of coming across frieza was enough for him to nope the fuck outta there. Once that's over he's bit better where he's still CLEARLY hesitant and worried at the prospect of fighting King cold and Frieza. After getting his royal ass handed to him by Cell he wasn't bitching out but he clearly had ZERO intention to fight Cell and for the first time actually waited for Goku to show up because he knew he did not have that fight. Buu saga he gets better where he fully intends to die fighting Buu. He only really goes back to freaking out when faced with someone stronger when he comes across Beerus and he only breaks outta that once Bulma gets slapped. My point is he has multiple points in the series where he realizes he's powerless, gives up, then crashes out because of Xyz.

[@lukehall2255]

Facts 💯

[@TheFakeMakotoYuki]

🔥🔥🔥

[@IIIISai]

Im saying, cook king

[@DNDWavyy]

Bro decided to cook with FIRE 😂 Good shit

[@tofuteh2348]

All you're saying is that he's capable of panicking and later on learned to stay out of some fights where he learned he was outclassed. None of those examples does that justify writing vegeta like that in the movie. Even when panicking against stronger opponents he still FIGHTS them from the start. Its not that he just gave up, he gave up without even trying. Even when severely outclassed by freeza and cell vegeta didn't drop on all fours without even throwing a single punch and allowed picollo to pick him up by his hair and hold him like a dead rabbit. Trunks, gohan and picollo are the ones who are way more likely to stand back and miss 80% of the fight only to jump in at the last minute and get pummeled anyways, not vegeta.

[@dragonslight4531]

How does nobody get that him crashing out because of Goku is the result of his ptsd from getting maimed and banished, while at some point the planet getting blown up it’s not just because Goku was crying

[@Kocaineee]

Because people don’t have movie comprehension. And rely on other people and their dummy ness

[@fireflameztfs]

Doesn’t make sense

[@dragonslight4531]

@@fireflameztfs ok you continue thinking that arguing would be a waste of time I got manga to read

[@Kocaineee]

@@fireflameztfs lmao it makes more sense that a grown adult actually hating on another adult because they didn’t let him sleep. You MAKE NO sense.

[@mikeyj.philly]

Thing about Broly was this: His trauma was his source of strength AND his only weakness. He got punched right where he was stabbed as a child. His power was overflowing and one compromising blow to his body was enough to release all of that energy through his wound. It destroyed him from the inside out. Goku is a perfect opposite of Broly. He was hit on the head as a child and forgot his trauma and because of that, he is humble. That humility allows him to learn and grow from every L he takes.

[@smashmotion-9918]

20:54 I don’t know why broly popping out of no where and dragging gohan is funny asf to me😭💀💀

[@Luke21-xk7uh]

I don't really think broly needs that complex of a character. Frieza wasn't very complex, neither was Cell. Broly is just an unhinged lunatic which is what made people like him. Now he's just Tarzan and he has to have a sympathetic character because everybody does now. Which honestly makes him feel more generic than he used to be.

[@mcsissorface7756]

I wanna say Broly relates the trauma of being stabbed to the only thing he remembers as a baby and that’s Goku Crying, the only time he felt weak

[@Meelow-jp8lb]

I always thought they were going for this: Goku's crying causef Broly to cry which is why the two Saiyans did what they did. Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

[@sophiadebar382]

Exactly. That’s what I always thought they were implying. When he hears the name Kakarot, he remembers the guards saying his name, and thus all the other memories from that time come up too, including almost dying

[@lorddinkdink8937]

And that's how you make the crying work, it's not that he cried it's that its a reminder of the literal worst day of his life

[@Sk3lat0rRofficial]

@@sophiadebar382ok guys ik im late and all but their is js one teeny tiny problem why would vegeta not directly set of his ptsd since he looks like his dad why would just goku name make him mad and trigger his ptsd and not idk like another baby crying and i can go on about how it doesn’t really add up but that’s the main 2

[@natashi7890]

Bro, if I met a man that can drag me with so much force that i continue moving through stone after he lefts go, indent me into a building through just moving forwards, and only has to lift his head to hurt me? brother, im staying down. his aura alone would blast me a whole mile.

[@Kocaineee]

“Broly hates goku because he was crying when they were babies” this gotta be the biggest bs of the century. This is why this movie is greatly hated by people that can’t critique movies or understand them the right way. Plus original Japanese soundtrack has a touch to it, unique. But if you’re watching the English version the rock music not being included is criminal. It literally gives the movie the best touch possible. Tfs has ruined yall perspective of this movie. Of course, everyone has their opinion but the fact nobody understands the plot of this movie is idiotic

[@Itsjupiter5]

Also, for those who say “Goku’s crying caused a reminder of trauma” Broly was upset at Goku’s crying even before the king stabbed him.

[@Blood_Red_Knight]

Every time i see OG broly i here " what's your power level"

[@RFJ0KER]

Dbz movies had this thing where they just HAD to be about goku, even if makimg them about vegeta would make more sense. Luckily the super movie made the right choice

[@Coreyy12]

Oh this was the “bad version” where they used the Japanese soundtrack instead of the Rock music. Sadness

[@emmanuelc316]

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[@TheGrinder_27]

@@emmanuelc316he can watch on stream on twitch as long as he has the thing to replace the audio during music portions it ain’t that deep

[@Coreyy12]

@@emmanuelc316 unfortunately

[@alicepbg2042]

the better version... no idea why they decided to put amv music in them

[@Arteaga4K]

Who cares honestly

[@arcadius3257]

19:55 HAHAHAHAHA! The music! its like you f*cking discovered a treasure in civilization revolution or Link from Legend of Zelda opening a chest 😂

[@farhanchoksi98]

They call Broly the saiyan that divulged into speaking only one word (Kakarot) but in the dub and the sub, this mf has some of the coldest lines in the seriesss, he straight up offed a planet and asked Goku if he loves his son like chill

[@CornadaTV]

oof, JP ost with ENG dub… you were bound to not like it lmao. The proper way of watching this movie is ENG dub with the ENG ost. And I say that as a massive Bin Shimada (JP Broly VA) simp. Z Broly with Pantera blasting in the bg is unironically peak early 2000s DBZ.

[@emmanuelc316]

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[@Myhaay]

bro he knows, he already watched the movies, this is just basically a watch-party to see how they hold up and have fun, it's not anything new for him, except some scenes which everyone is bound to forget over time.

[@firechargeogname]

Bin shimada? All I know is Vic and Johnny Yong Bosch

[@minisquirtle9702]

He SAID he liked the movie relax

[@THEdudeproductions]

​@@firechargeogname Bin Shimada a real one 💯

[@cobrajr188]

“But Dad, what about Cell?!” “Fuck ‘im”

[@subZero-quanie]

This is why Gohan was shocked in the next movie like nigga you still alive Had my guy shook

[@MagiaBased]

17:45 I think people forget that Broly's been under mind control and basically in a drugged state for years and "Kakarot" triggers the memory of the worst day of his life where he nearly got killed and his planet exploded. I think it's a great show of PTSD tbh. But DBZ abridged made people so biased that they think that's the actual Broly. And even Broly just being a "cocky MFer" gives him more personally than fucking Super Broly lmao

[@Dovahkiin049]

If this was the actual reason, then it'd be cool, but his hatred towards Goku instead of Vegeta makes me think that wasn't the direction they were going with it and just head cannon coping. They could've made it so much better if it was Vegeta he hated, but they chose the person that did literally nothing to him.

[@sensui1136]

Nah, how the fuck did chat let you watch this with the JP ost? Extremely common chat L, I’m afraid.

[@kingn0ah377]

the definitive version of this movie would be the subs with the rock ost. the subs fix a lot of problems in the dub, and the music fits the tone of the movie perfectly.

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

Wouldn't matter. This movie sucks. It was always terrible and people should just forget about it.

[@takezosama]

​@@ChocolateFishBrainsthis is the same as thing as people profusely defending the movie but instead of glazing you're hating

[@skainphi]

@@ChocolateFishBrains we are NOT forgetting peak 😭🙏🙏

[@Calmtimer]

​@@ChocolateFishBrains Nah not the Antiglazers again

[@jameskirk7901]

18:02 : Easy he doesn't actually care about Vegeta or Goku. Goku triggers a PTSD that he cant explain. The "Saiyan Rivalry" im guessing although its based on how you interpret the dialogue. Its why hes in a rage trance whenever he sees him vs completely in control whenever they actually start boxing Also he doesn't care about Vegeta because hes weaker than and he shown throughout the movie that he doesnt care for anyone weaker than him. Also Also its weird that everyone has a problem with that (not caring about vegeta) plotline in the Z movie BUT in the SUPER movie its the exact same thing except with LESS reasoning as Paragus can actually talk to him and tell him in that one

[@IIIISai]

Yup

[@Sk3lat0rRofficial]

damn this so cope omg😭

[@burbusburbus8782]

24:24 Vegeta is thinking something like "i can't believe i *knew* what was gonna happen, and still ran in there"

[@danielhavoc889]

"Kakarot, how much do you love your son?" Is a CRAZY line. Goku IMMEDIETLY knew whats up and told Gohan to gtfo.

[@theboy3940]

First of all I think broly's reasoning is somewhat misunderstood here. Goku's crying triggers broly's ptsd to his trauma. He most likely KNOWS this is the same person because he remembered his ki or just power level, this is why broly seems more fearful of him in his first encounters, he looks nervous because hes remembering that ptsd. and your misunderstanding the most important part broly HATES vegeta, paragus outright states this, but since vegeta is literally shitting his pants at the sight of broly, broly does not have to worry about it in the slightest, the only thing that causes him pain at the moment of his transformation is goku, because he reminds him of his trauma and that causes a reaction out of broly, he wants to torment and dismantle goku to get past his trauma

[@daxmoney5011]

The way Broly lost is the most 2009 PG era Super Cena way I have ever seen anybody lose

[@wolfgod6443]

Everyone so distracted by Broly, Paragus's ridiculous plan goes right over our heads. He built a fake kingdom, amassed an army, and drags his LSSJ son around just to keep Vegeta on a planet taht will eventually get hit by a comet and hopes Vegeta doesn't just leave or notice the comet coming his way. Then, when he gets found out, he reveals his entire plan with zero back-ups and I guess...Prays Vegeta doesn't obliterate his atoms? He had no intention of letting Broly go berserk, but what else was he possibly going to do? Also I love how Goku says "now the real fight begins" right before he one-taps Broly. Goku you can't just lose the whole time and then say that doesn't count until you start winning.

[@kanestalin7246]

I like how they all got folded and then ate some senzu beans just to get folded again

[@PVNTHR]

You watched the wrong version my guy 😂

[@chandlerclaassen9070]

This movie fills me with so much joy it doesn’t matter how good or bad it is

[@KingDues]

Kakarot, how much do you love your son ? ...👑🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😋🔥

[@jadencedras6878]

3:57 bro literally did the Shannon Sharpe "oh boyyy" 😂

[@thatrockdoggo1462]

I haven't watched the original Broly movie in forever, but watching it now kinda makes me see Broly's backstory in a new light. I feel like Broly doesn't have beef with Goku simply because he cried, but due to the fact that it's stated that he was born with the power level of 10000, but was made to cry by the wailing of a Saiyan that was born with a power level of 2. Broly was already a crash out, so I see it more like upon discovering the fact that baby Kakarot made him cry with such a massive power gap between them in his favor, he felt he had to go against the "bitch made" allegations, thus wanting smoke with Goku

[@Skkia]

In a simple way to put it Broly feels disrespected that A low class Saiyan like goku managed to make him cry for the 1st time in his life

[@LordJanenmba]

Pretty much It is not "Broly hates Goku because he cried", it is "Broly hates Goku because Goku was able to make him cry despite having a power level of just 2 and it clearly that Broly gets more angry seeing that 2 power level infant becoming that powerful which is why he reacted to his power

[@xdrastig_4207]

​@@LordJanenmba+ it makes him remember about the worst day of his life lmao

[@LordJanenmba]

@@xdrastig_4207 that's also a reason but even without, there is more for Broly's motivation than just "he get annoyed as a baby"

[@xdrastig_4207]

@@LordJanenmba yup, people downplay Z cuz they didn't watch it and assume we hate super just cuz of nostalgia, no, Z was simply better in everything.

[@crashtime3429]

broly without Pantera and hard rock/metal is like Goku using super spirit bomb without cha la head cha la

[@Meelow-jp8lb]

Meh. I think Z Broly (In a more leveled soundtrack sense) would have a more experimental sound. Like piano, but with weird crunchy basses or something. He's supposed to be this impended doom, not an edge lord. Not saying the Japanese soundtrack is any better, but for me, Super Broly has a better theme than Broly. Rage and Sorrow (Broly's main song throughout the movie) perfecly captures his character. Z Broly is supposed to be more "Violent" so a more unique and electronic song would fit Imo. Take Destruction from DBZ (Faulconer ost) for example, that fits Broly, even if it's not his theme.

[@SleepyChloeFist]

It's funny how many people are so outspoken about such a clearly inferior OST.

[@TevyaSmolka]

yeah this movie was underrated and z broly had a personality but he was more of a merciless killer and that's about it but that's just my opinion.

[@Nameless0ne419]

ofc the goku glazer didn’t show broly using goku as a trampoline 😂😂😂 jokes aside, glad you enjoyed the movie.

[@GlobalOutcast]

Yeah honestly the whole "Broly ONLY saids Kakarot" is from the second film, not this one and I think people just misremember

[@castform7]

I don't think my problem with Broly is his character. While I say that I prefer Super Broly and think he's more complex, that does not mean that I think he's this Super deep character or that just cause one is more complex than the other that automatically makes them better. MY problem with Z Broly is and has always been the narrative centering in on our boy Kakarot. I do *not* care what reason in particular Broly is focused on Goku. His tears, those tears being an association to his trauma, him "analyzing Goku as a strong opponent". Goku should not be his target. This should be a Vegeta story first and foremost or at least have Broly go after Vegeta instead of him on his knees for half the movie not because "oh, I need my Vegeta moments" but because his bloodline is responsible for Broly and Paragus' near death. It quite literally makes the most sense and even has parallels. Vegeta III wanted Broly executed so now Paragus wants Vegeta IV gone. I will say though, Z Broly is cooler, that'll probably never change for me.

[@Bagrieru]

Honestly, two things I figured that'd fix this movie a lot: 1. Broly knows about the stabbing and even addresses it to Vegeta, and his reason not to have beef with him is because, differently from Goku whose potential scared him as a baby and even now still tried to fight him if losing, Both Vegeta and his father fear the fuck and aren't anything to bother him. 2. You know how Freeza as cocky as he is, is scared shitless of Beerus because King Cold told him to be along Majin Boo? Could be the same logic for Vegeta. Being royalty he was a lot into legends 'n shit and so he knew what Broly was all about once he figured he is the LSSJ 3. Broly should have a scar from the stab that just screamed weak point. Maybe at some point they hit it and realize, prolly would be Vegeta so he gets a W and also because he knows. But the way Goku beats him ain't by hitting (since he explodes after all). He passes their energy to him thru the scar and he pops like a balloon. We even saw him throwing ki blasts away cause he was getting too much

[@davidasilvaoliveira7781]

The first movie had a very good broly is the second and specially the third movie that ruined him

[@AXSLA3]

Broly: "I will do something no other villain did in Dragonball Z, I'll not kill Krilin!"

[@kinohimato]

Broly didn't get entertaining to me till he destroyed his father's mind control device and get to crash out as "The Legendary Super Sayian". I do agree that the resolution of goku getting a crazy plot buff against a monster that was mopping his whole crew, not even a scratch on broly but he gets one tapped? Spirit Bomb would of been so believable here because of Gohan calling him pure evil. Broly got a cool design, idk if I can't call these fights but amazing beat down, and out of pocket lines. Sadly he peaked at his first movie and he got reduced to....Kakarot. Honestly I think peoples undying love for the crashout baby is their perspective of what a sayian would be portrayed to be with that level of power when they were considered savages by nature.

[@plantcrone9662]

You do realize the reason he died is because his body was containing too much energy, right?

[@kinohimato]

@plantcrone9662 NoOoOoOo cause I clearly didn't see broly say that during the movie. of course I know that, Don't mean I have to like the 1 tap finish.

[@gabrielchastain6091]

Z broly is a superior "Villain" People shit on his backstory but they are plain wrong Even if you are under the assumption that it was gokus crying that flaired his anger People really shit on that, the idea of a crying haunting you since birth because of everything that happened afterwards is a really cool and interesting idea and people really love to downplay it, it dosent matter about logistics because dragon ball is always breaking reality and real life logic but there is nothing that proves broly could not remember something traumatic like their birth day Sayains are not humans and even then there are people out there who can remember their earliest memories And even then you can also say that the crying is something he remembers but it isnt his only motivation But if you aren't one who thinks that's the message then if you watch it in Japanese and dont take it on a surface level Paragus never specifically says gokus crying is whats making broly flare up Its gokus presence Broly has flare ups naturally like when he destroyed the south galaxy at the start of the movie *the 4 galaxies are actually quarants of the universe by the way so that means broly just blew up 1/4 of the entire living realm while supressed* He gets mad when goku gets in front of him and gives him that challenging look Broly is like the alpha wolf he dosent like getting challenged by those below him It pissed him off Also to explain broly not speaking much He is a quiet and reserved man, he only speaks proudly and loudly when he is legendary super sayain because his mind control has broken and he has gained full access to his abilities and isnt being restricted by the crown He cant say or do much when the crown is on him because it is constantly fighting him internally making saying much very difficult He is angry and he is having to fight the power restrainer When he turns into the legendary super sayain his shyness and calmness is gone And ontop you may ask Why dosent he hate vegeta Well he could barely see while he was a baby and ontop of that Vegeta wasnt the one standing up to him later in life on new planet vegeta Vegeta never spoke to him nor cried Paragus might have told broly but broly dosent care that much He does what his father asks and he dosent really seem to care about Vegeta Even when vegeta orders him around he isn't trying to get up in brolys face and try to agg him Hes just bossing him and broly is just like Yeah ok buddy your not tough your a pushover But goku gets right up in his face and gives him a challenging look like show me what you got People wonder why vegeta is so scared of broly Ill explain there is a difference between a super sayain and the legendary super sayain in the movie canon Vegeta thought goku was the legendary super sayain but then he got super sayain, and then trunks and gohan They werent born as the warrior born every 1,000 years a being who spread chaos and destruction Sure goku got a little mad but he isnt genociding people Z broly is that warrior born every 1000 years The tale has always had an impact on Vegeta and not only that Once he sensed how outclassed he was Just like with beerus His will shattered There was no way in hell in vegetas mind that he could ever win Until piccolo gives him that demeaning pep talk and snaps him out of his fear People also like to rag on him in the 2nd movie but he has no reason to talk to goten and trunks he sees them as weak He actually utters a line to gohan i believe but he isnt interested in gohan he's more interested in goku But when Goku descends from the heavens like a god Brolys demeanor changes to stress and worry Goku just came down from the sky like an angel and looks ghost like and broly just realized he fucked up because now hes got 3 super sayains shooting a combined energy blast together and even then he is winning until they break through his defense when trunks interrupts Z Broly is in my opinion the better broly and i kinda get tired of people tagging on his backstory and if i hear someone say he is motivated by a crying infant one more time im gonna slap the shit outta them because they didnt watch the damn movie or they are downplaying it , its more then that Super Brolys backstory is honestly less unique and sympathetic in my opinion Z broly got mocked, exiled, then stabbed and thrown out like garbage Super broly got exiled and chilled on a planet with his dad for 40 years And he did lose his friend Ba which is incredibly very sad But he had it nowhere near as bad as Z broly did and thats the damn truth Super broly motivation for fighting goku and vegeta is literally Daddy told me too and also im a raging beast There is no motivation behind his rage Goku and vegeta stand up too him sure but he's not mad their challenging his authority hes mad because hes mindless beast being taunted Super brolys backstory is sad But it is no where near as tragic as Z brolys They are both good characters and if someone prefers Super broly thats fine but don't shit on Z broly because its slander Also in both versions of the story i actually want to defend paragus He isnt the best dad but i do generally think he loved his son In Z he risked his life took a blast for him and stuck with him despite his son being a physcopath he bashed his eye out and could easily kill him He went out of his way to restrain that power He did realize they could use Brolys power to take over the universe but he dosent just see his son as a tool He sees an opportunity and fortunately it also aligns with his son who he loves so he decided why the hell not He leaves Z broly at the end because his son is gone at that point Before he tried to stay with his son and keep him sane But once he went legendary he became the legend told throughout time That raging beast who would destroy everything he touched A sadistic monster Paragus is son was lost to the beast He felt leaving him to die was far more merciful then letting him live with his lost self *in his opinion* Super broly same thing at the start minus taking a knife in brolys case and a beam in paragus is case But paragus kills his companion so broly and him could survive If he didnt love broly then he would have just killed broly so he could have all the food for himself His shock collar is arguably crueler then Z paragus is restrainer But its also the only way to keep broly from losing it and destroying everything When broly goes super sayain he actually dosent leave and worries for broly till frieza kills him You could argue Super Paragus is actually a better dad then Z broly because he never tried to leave Both neither are horrible parents They are flawed but not horrible They did their bests with sons that were impossible to keep contained with universe threatening power

[@_lynxninja_4783]

Are you trying to reach the character limit for a youtube comment? 😂

[@CornadaTV]

I agree with damn near everything you said but GODDAMN, bruh. You didn’t have to spread everything out like this lmao

[@Meelow-jp8lb]

Bro I clicked this thinking it was a quick paragraph, I was VERY wrong.

[@Monkey_Sage]

Alright slap the shit out of me because how the hell do you believe that z brolys is worse? First of all super Broly ain’t done yet but there is definitely gonna be a crazy dynamic between Frieza and Broly. Second, super broly isn’t this evil character. He feels genuinely upset bc he felt that Paragus died because of his battle. He lost his only friend. He was manipulated and abused by his father and still loved him. Slap me if you want to bitch but z brolys backstory is far from better than super brolys

[@Rude_Boi]

Man's wrote a thesis on DBZ Broly's character lol

[@PatchFaceDisaster]

Plot really had to put this man down. My goat Z Broly. 😤

[@nycto4512]

All I’m going to say is If super goku forgot where south was and forgot the word sport, some fans would be rioting like crazy lol

[@IIIISai]

Super goku deserves it homie, could not even figure out goku blacks idenity but bulma could

[@nycto4512]

@@IIIISai fair but sometimes it’s just better to call BS when it actually happens

[@everyonesfavoritecaptain335]

@@IIIISaicuz bulma is literally a genius tf you mean?

[@IIIISai]

@@everyonesfavoritecaptain335 mf goku FOUGHT zamasu and couldnt tell they had the same aura when he literally could sense in Z and og db, while bulma made a whole theory with no experience and goku was confused, even vegeta knew, bulma is a tech genuis thats it , beerus literally damaged gokus frontal lobe in battle of gods CANNON

[@IIIISai]

@@nycto4512 true bro

[@maniacslap1623]

Biggest differences: No Vampa and no Baa. Other than that, the shyts bout the same imo. The power creep also wasn’t that bad in this movie even tho the ending was still kinda bonk. The failed ritual in super made Goku a lot stronger than all of them combined. Him being able to one-shot Broly after gettin energy from everybody made a lot more sense. They both got highs and lows and both I think are solid B-tier. With the soundtracks included, Z Broly get bumped to a solid B+. That Super shyt corny AF.

[@someguy6152]

To be fair, a couple points 1. Pre-Legendary Super Saiyan he had that mind control thing that Paragus put on him, it inhibits he's emotions but seems to also make him barely functional, only when he breaks through it he can speak properly. 2. Goku's crying can be attributed to his trauma, King Vegeta might've stabbed him, but he probably doesn't remember him, he was a infant at the time, he probably associates the crying with the stabbing more than Vegeta, and remembers Goku's ki. Now why does he know that it was "Kakarot" who was crying? That I have no idea. Maybe Paragus told him and that's when he freaked out for the first time 🤷‍♂️ The movie is 100% not perfect, the ending is so bad it's a joke, they really couldn't give us at least a brief fight? Really? Just a single punch? And after being ragdolled the whole fight until a half dead Vegeta gave him some power and suddenly he is so powerful he can no diff Broly? It feels like Vegeta's power literally doubled if not more Goku's power, how? As a side note it's kinda funny that Z.Broly and S.Broly are completely opposite in character through the movie. Z.Broly is brain dead the first half than a menace the second half. S.Broly has a backstory and talks for the first half, than goes completely feral the second half only screaming and growling.

[@5h0ckblock]

If Broly's motivation was instead that he didn't understand how Goku with a worthless power of 2 was spared but not him, and THAT was why he wants Goku dead....this would be a perfect movie

[@SavantPete]

The fact that Broly was tearing apart South galaxy makes me wonder how he's beat Majin Buu?

[@a-kil5646]

Ah cmon man. "Then please try your best to make me kneel before you." Is a fire line 😭

[@sippin1375]

Maaan you really gotta watch these old dbz movies with the rock soundtracks. Pantera made the Broly transformation so HARD. It gives me chills it’s so good.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

The fact someone said: "The sub says something different" plays the sub and says the same exact thing but phrased differently

[@Dizz.y._43]

“What’s your power level” the moment I saw broly in the hallway 😂😭

[@quickgaming1179]

Did everyone forget: “Monster? No, I’m the Devil.”

[@evankolterjahn433]

I used to think broly just hated gokus crying because it was annoying. But looking at his backstory it makes a lot of sense, goku triggers some sort of ptsd of the day broly was stabbed by king vegeta since goku was crying right next to broly on that day. Makes a lot more sense now

[@jongxina3595]

Broly was super cool but I agree they did Vegeta dirty and the resolution was bad. Also Brolys motivations could ve been explained better. In reality, Broly is just a crazy psycho since he is the LSSJ and Goku simply made him lose control.

[@minisquirtle9702]

We all got different opinions but Can we just agree Z is just SCARIER than Super? They ARE different characters and don't say much for different reasons and even have different fighting styles and focuses while fighting (not just talked about kakarot) but Super just kind of goes crazy and slaps EVERYBODY but Z just stands there and let's you see that everything won't work and just laughs at it to just let that set in

[@illiacartoons7499]

18:03 he hates Goku because he’s the only trigger for Broly’s PTSD and this is how that works actually

[@illiacartoons7499]

Also you can’t CHANGE PTSD, it’s the thing that sticks into your mind and you can’t change it

[@Kocaineee]

Don’t try to explain him bro, by default 90% of so called dragon ball fans can’t understand simple stuff like this. It’s like they’re missing a part of the brain to understand what’s going on in these movies in reality

[@chooongusbug724]

​@@KocaineeeZ Broly fans coping because Broly's motivation was Goku crying. Seethe 😘

[@Kocaineee]

@@chooongusbug724 I’m not going to argue with people with no brains, sorry bro

[@chooongusbug724]

@Kocaineee the people with no brains are the ones who think Z Broly was a good character, nice projection though 😘 "Goku cried...A lot" "He's so cool, but thats so god damn lame" 🥰

[@Anonimus299_0]

At least this broly is 10 times better that super broly

[@PizzaPuncher2]

Facts, people still love to glaze Super Broly and pretend he's deep and complex when he barely says anything at all.

[@Anonimus299_0]

@PizzaPuncher2 fact, especially on the backstory,people pretend that super Broly backstory Is tragic than Z Broly,Like wtf,he was stabbed when he was a newborn

[@Anonimus299_0]

@PizzaPuncher2 with a KNIFE

[@pharatrill8577]

goku and vegeta outtakes of this movie are so funny. the guest list line was a BAR

[@LucidPhoton]

Sage, in the future I'd recommend watching the movies in English but with the subtitles to compare dialogue between the Japanese and English versions. It's crazy actually. I do that these days and it's weird how much is changed, especially during the Z era. Also when you watch World's Strongest use the Japanese soundtrack please. Makes it feel more special I'd say ❤

[@toomberrebmoot9244]

Pantera actually really enhanced the terror of Broly’s transformation in the English DVD of the movie. And I’m one of those guys who thought the grungy metal from every other English DVD movie created a tonal dissonance in the original screenplay.

[@jalensimmons6856]

The lack of hard rock music is hurting my soul🤧

[@jayheardfit]

the transformation scenes and fight scenes without then are so hard to watch

[@Wildson-j6j]

He used Goku as a trampoline 😳

[@rory828]

Neat detail i saw about the broly movie So after everybody gives goku energy his hair turns green for a few seconds And brolys aura and hair turns yellow (even throughout the second movie) So basically goku is saying “IM THE LEGENDARY ONE NOW BOY”

[@burbusburbus8782]

"yeah, uh, gohan, he killed piccolo" is a great bit

[@DubandBass100]

The only calculation I have for the tears is the noise is trauma. He remembers the smell, the sounds etc. He never actually saw Vegeta at any stage, just his dad. That's all I got

[@Kyoyokodaichi]

Goku pulling energy from the comet would have made more sense compared to half dead fighters. LSSJ Broly came in like the Green Ranger.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

I think making broly talk was a misunderstanding which made people think he was a different characters then he was

[@dannyb4762]

Been loving the content and I wanted to add something else: Why didn't chichi mention that Goku has been a trained and disciplined martial artist since we met: coming 2nd in 2 tournaments and winning the 23rd. It fits in the sports aspect in a way AND he can also add that magic would be one of his favorite hobbies. She really fumbled the ball lmaooo

[@flight1391]

The ssj9k version of this goated 😂

[@dis6reet]

Blue Ki Blast in ma hand! 🤣

[@Dovahkiin049]

"Now the real fight begins" He says before killing him in 1 punch, that's a slaughter, not a fight 🤣

[@introvertidiot1502]

Bro, Krillin outing his fetish to be a puppy so openly is some of the wildest shit I've seen in a supposedly pg movie

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

Krillin a superfreak

[@Chaos_Vergil]

2:43 I like that DBZA actually changed it so that Chichi does her best to roll with the magician angle. TFS really did a good job with the writing of the show as a whole.

[@marche800]

The single biggest improvement Super Broly had was making Broly's beef be with Vegeta over Goku

[@thelvadam90]

Super Broly didnt have much beef with Vegeta

[@Serukami23]

He didn't have a mind of own once he started fighting. He just attack anyone once his father told him to sic'em.

[@thelvadam90]

@Serukami23 The new Broly is kind of what people criticize the old Broly for in ways. People say the old Broly is a mindless brute but that's what Super Broly was once he transformed not Z Broly lol.

[@bigt100]

Aww where's the pantera 10's

[@toomuchcap]

Ain’t the same without Pantera in the background

[@BIackMass]

Factual

[@Telarius]

The false editted japanese music onto the broly movie makes it sound like you're in occarina of time exploring a dungeon opening chests. The english-linkenpark, pantera deal made it way more badass

[@THEdudeproductions]

That's just the original fucking soundtrack of the movie. That's not edited. The damn rock music is the one that's edited wtf 💀

[@Telarius]

@THEdudeproductions no. In the English version the original is the metal/Pantera. It released with that music IN ENG. The JAPANESE release had that music. It was never in the movie until it was edited it on literally a decade later.

[@jayver666]

What you talking about man, this music was pure gold who cares about the FvCkg pantera

[@HiroshirouTavern]

Fun Fact: In the Spanish Dub, when Goku gets hit by Krillin, the guy ends up exclaiming a curse word although it couldn't be heard well maybe because it was a bit muted by the music or special effects, specifically Goku says "Shit" or "Mierda" as it is said in Spanish

[@ryanstyle8862]

nah after Vegeta was b***hing about Broly being too powerful broly is my goat now

[@DjPrimeVideos]

Z Broly was cool but its just his reasoning for crashing out against Goku that just stumps me.

[@vonnywithdrip7698]

I’ve finally found it…a new subscription 🥴🥴🥴

[@_WiZ420]

Aite, now that we got this video out, I think this best encapsulates why you can't compare Z Broly and S Broly. They aren't even the same to their core writing. Although, the line he had with, "How much do you love your son?" is a maniacal type of evil, the type of shit that Freeza would say. Now, when we get to the movie itself, I ain't defending shit, this movie's sequence of events are horrible. Paragus somehow believes Broly to be incapable of surviving Comet Camori despite being saved from a planetary collision by Baby Broly, Paragus shits the ENTIRE dynamic of what Broly's issue with Kakarot truly is by theorizing that little "crying at birth" thing, Vegeta's entire character was built up to be destroyed (even if it makes sense to be afraid, it's still stupid for the Prince to have been written up), and the resolution was C tier. Although, the resolution showcasing Broly having a vision of them being in the same room as babies was a nice scene, as it gives light into the near death experience while also showing that Broly's reason for hating Goku was probably due to scoping out his power as a potential threat. It may make a ton of sense for Vegeta to cower in fear with the events that unfolded, but as for why these events were unfolded, it's stupid. At least have him crash out from the anger of being surpassed for like the 3rd time or whatever

[@geomejia8946]

I can’t watch this without the rock in the background🥲🥲

[@immaturepeasant]

Suggestion: Watch the entirety of the Dragon Ball Z Abridged series

[@greschenglin-dz7wj]

Giant tirade aside though. Broly is a fking Saiyan. A Saiyan that unconsciously; if not instinctively; tapped into his power as a baby. If yall have a problem remembering, Goku hit his head as a kid and was docile. He had a power level of 2. Then he saw a full moon then became this big ape thing that caused massive havoc wherever it went. He got stronger instantly but consequently got very aggressive in the same timespan. I'd say it's because of the Oozaru's base nature if not for the fact that Vegeta as an Oozaru was nowhere near as wild as Goku *or* Gohan when they did. And then we have Super Saiyan where Goku verbally expressed to his son the sheer difficulty he had in just controlling himself from the pure rage he feels from awakening this power, something; once again; mirrored by Gohan, both gaining instant jumps in power consequently. Broly literally experienced death once and woke up to an exploding world as a *baby.* Inform me of how he's going to be have any other emotion beyond the extreme within every waking second until he somehow falls asleep. The man himself even says in the sub "my ki is rising. It's overflowing" before venting in order to keep it from overwhelming him. Because he's a f*cking Saiyan. His father couldn't actually do anything about the guy save for suppressing his ki, Ki being "energy" sure but in the Buddhism the show is *obviously* built on shows that energy to be derived from the spirit. Hence the "Spirit Bomb" comprising the *energies* of sentient life. The spirit is entirely linked to the mental state of the host. So if you suppress someone's Ki by force, don't you think that would task the person's mind over the course of time if it's done repeatedly? Why else would Broly say nothing beyond the focus of what's irritating him? Irrational? Yes. Talk to baby Broly and tell him that, I bet he won't hear you from all that roaring he was doing when Vegeta was blowing up. Paragus tried. He wound up getting his son a tiara for his quinciniera (spelt wrong) instead. And then we get Second Coming where he for some reason only says one word for the majority of his presence there, then slow comes around to saying more words. Almost like he has brain damage or something. I mean it's not like his whole body crumbled after Goku bust his chest open before combusting spontaneously at the end of his debut or anything. Then barely recovers *SOMEHOW* with 0 assistance from anyone whatsoever. We're mocking the guy's ability to string sentences after having his brain/spirit fked for an extended period of time after barely being able to contain his own strength which was already driving him mad cuz of what he is *on top of the thing that woke him up into an unmitigated rage as a fking baby to begin with* which came to a close with him...*losing the ability to stop himself from destroying his own body courtesy another man's fist.* Gee. It really is a conundrum we have on our hands as to why he came back how Gohan described Super Buu. Mm. Anyway, there you go. Dragon Ball by itself provides the answer for Broly's story right there. Yall had a goodnthing, and yall scuffed it cuz yall didn't get it. This is one of those times when Toei should have done Japanese exclusives and called it a day. West never appreciates things they don't get.

[@IIIISai]

Well said beautiful message, i will say tho movie 2 ending made movie 1 look bad in hindsight, u cant have bro power cliff and lose in the same way twice, makes even less sense in the second movie, skinny ahh kamehameha beats that sun sized blast by broly, and bio broly is piss on the grave shoulda just had a dead goku jump scare movie 2 broly and the kamehameha goes through brolys chest

[@Mt51333]

No disrespect to guys channel but there dbz fans all they care about is there specific character and how well there going to do so if there character is doing bad in the movie of course there not going to go in depth like Saiyan scholar or even care about the Saiyan biology before super said there basically humans with tails or how didn't need to go after Vegeta he already did he kept asking why wasn't broly going after trunks when in the first two seconds of the free for all we see him single out trunks first because him and Gohan are the weakest then he closelines him again twice then he extends Vegeta's torture unlike the rest then he calls him a piece of trash and let's him fall into the gutter same way his father did him he already had dealt with Vegeta so his clear next objective is to take out the rest duh And this nonsense about super broly being more complex is stupid and clearly shows a lack of reaserch DBS broly can't even speak and shows no sign of intelligence he can't even open a candy bar but he's more complex because he's stronger and dumber it's stupid and king Vegeta is even worse in the new movie he sent broly on a so called execution where a Saiyan would literally thrive a barren wasteland plenty of bugs to eat and his father didn't want to use him as a tool for power broly follows his orders willingly the only reason he has a shock collar is because of his anger outburst unlike z broly where he had a complex mind device and love's destruction because he's a Saiyan they love to conquer planets that's what they're supposed to do an is similar to Wu kongs headband from the monk in JTTW all this dude cared about was goku Goku this Goku that that's my goat an the need to diss Vegeta constantly I also feel like he skipped some some dialogue in the Japanese version there's a reason why this movie is considered a DBZ masterpiece in Japan P.s I don't hate the new broly but he has been blown way out of proportion like some god the movie was a well beautifully made cash grab all his moveset was literally a homage to the original

[@greschenglin-dz7wj]

@@Mt51333 Yea. More or less why I said that the west wouldn't appreciate the attempts at throwing little hints to the nuances of the show. Naruto and Bleach were around at that time as well I think. I'm not quite saying that's the reason for certain points in the movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if they thought that folks were warming up to the deeper concepts of the soul, enough to make a character that though evil was a mentally worn then broken man when he debuts. Which Toriyama, to my knowledge, never tried before. Heck, the movie wasn't even his idea. The problem with that assumption is that you'd be expecting the core audience of a series that's; like you said; only ever about throwing hands and pen measuring contests to have the patience to want to pick up, nevermind look into, those subtle call backs to established lore and even the culture behind it that; for laziness' sake; was being phased out. But hey, if they're fight addicts, give em fights with no substance. Unfortunately it still works: Super.

[@greschenglin-dz7wj]

@@IIIISai That I can't argue with. Broly was done dirty in 10. The disrespect by the tots, Trunks especially, is just insane. In a way I can get why they chose not to have him really do anything to them but um....actually nevermind. He can't really process certain things at this point so it's a wonder he got fked with scot-free. That and I'm wondering if the fact that the ending of the first movie made it impossible for him to have Zenkais. His body was clearly destroyed by his own energy meaning that he clearly died, and he wasn't able to keep it capped without venting before. Unless his body reassembled itself...for SOME REASON, after being thrown into Earth after the scuffle...for SOME REASON, then being rendered frozen in ice.. Really not sure if that's the thought process behind him still being the same strength-wise in 10. I know the consensus is that Gohan grew stronger since Cell; at least according to some; but...him not piecing the other two is embarrassing by itself. He didn't get wave blasted to death in the first movie tho, that I will say. XD I like Bio-Broly conceptually because it at first leaves one with the assumption that any part of Broly that exists can be used to bring him back, or rather reproduce him. That by itself isn't quite something major, but more the idea of him eventually becoming this force of nature with no physical vessel to contain him, and thus free of the concern of his own power being a double edged sword. Cuz he died from his own power--yes someone punched him really hard, he still blew up cuz he couldn't contain himself anymore shush XD--he then willed himself back to life albeit worse off, gets killed again, then is brought back/replicated through his own blood. Him winding up that walking muk pile is...what it is, but it clearly inherited his malice. *Something* could have been done with that. Something was done with it. It wasn't that great or passable. Iunno, the fact that the first played up the destiny that bound Goku and Broly seems a little bit wasted if the former gets to keep going while the latter is no more than an ordinary Tuesday that's forgotten about after one punch, man. Though t with how the sequels went, it couldn't be helped. And with how it was rebooted? Oooohohoho...Tears.

[@Kata_Jones]

The problem is primarily how his beef is with Goku instead of with Vegeta. Paragus literally tells Vegeta how much he and Broly hates his family. Vegeta’s family is the entire reason why Paragus and Broly almost fucking died too. Then Second Coming and Bio Broly were obvious attempts at trying to capitalize the popularity that the first Broly movie had gotten but failed due to how the first ended and how the second one began imo. Idk how Broly goes from exploding into millions of pieces in a whole other planet to somehow arriving on earth with his body fully intact without any assistance at all? Would’ve made so much more sense if someone with a desire to destroy the saiyans wished for Broly to be back. Again Broly as a character isn’t necessarily a problem but there are a lot of reasons the writers of Toei decided to bring Broly back with a different approach to his story