AirPods Might be Getting Worse and Matter has FINALLY Landed!

What is happening at Twitter!? Marques, Andrew, and David discuss it briefly before acknowledging that we'll never be up-to-date and moving on to the Xiaomi 12S Ultra leak. After that they talk about the active noise cancelling on Apple AirPods potentially getting worse and then David explains what's going on with the Matter smarthome protocol. Then we wrap it up with trivia!
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:40 Twitter chaos
03:40 Xiaomi 12S Ultra leak and smartphone cameras
13:43 Trivia question 1
15:10 Ad break
15:13 Apple active noise cancelling debate
34:30 Trivia question 2
35:29 Ad break
35:32 Matter explained
52:10 Trivia answers
56:25 Outro
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Verge article: bit.ly/vergeairpodswvfrm
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[@Rteula]

As someone with ADHD, I’ve used my AirPods Max to study on campus but I’ve noticed recently that the noise cancelling has gone to absolute trash… can hear everyone around me

[@onedriftyboy]

for me its the 10min walk home while Cars blast by me. Used to be amazed by how little I could here them… but now I can here them exactly as loud as NC off (passive NC = active NC) so ANC has gotten worse

[@Austinfdp]

still works for me on campus

[@beactivebehappy9894]

@@onedriftyboy imagine not having that many cars around lol (seriously tho we don’t have that many cars zooming around except if we’re around the highway/outskirts area)

[@GuitarTherapy144]

Gget overear, big sony. Xm3 or xm4 older ones. I have the xm4, it does wonders.

[@ben_car_8115]

As a network engineer, David’s explanation is very good and well researched. Very excited for more thread devices and the matter compatibility!

[@nasseralsharif]

Yup. David is amazing

[@luisfpinho]

Except the part about Google/Alexa/Homekit interoperability. That is not the issue at the moment. The problem with current "mesh" technology like ZigBee is that devices require a hub from their manufacturer. And with Wi-Fi devices they require setup on the manufacturer's app and everytime you change their state your assistant has to make a round trip communication from your router, Google server, manufacturer server, your router and back to the device. But all of their services already integrate with those 3 ecosystems at the same time! One of the main issues is that although ZigBee was supposed to be a universal standard, today's ZigBee devices only work with manufacturer specific hubs. "works with Phillips Hue", "works with smartthings"... With matter you won't need any of those hubs.

[@ManuelKampmann]

@@luisfpinho Yeah that part really wasn't that well explained. He basically explained what ZigBee already does (and Thread IS pretty similar to it). Also you don't need a manufacturer specific hub. Things like zigbee2mqtt exist and also ZHA in Home Assistant. Those can already do what he explains there. It doesn't matter if my bulbs are from Philips, the smart plugs are from Ikea and the window contacts are from Aqara. They all are running via the same protocal with the same border router (using a matter term here). They can also interact with each other. An Ikea remote can switch off a philips bulb and vice versa. It's also possible to use Google Assistant locally with these devices. Matter is just supposed to make this easier for the end user.

[@luisfpinho]

@@ManuelKampmann exactly. And I do use Home Assistant with deconz for zigbee. But for non-technical users it's not an option at all. Also, it does not support every device. AFAIK devs have to manually add device configurations in order for them to work. I've had multiple switches and a few curtain motors not work with it :/

[@ManuelKampmann]

@@luisfpinho I used deconz too. But have to say switching to zigbee2mqtt was the right decision for me (I also switched from a conbee2 to a sonoff stick). ALOT more devices are supported and I was even able to get a device that has yet to get official support working for now. I do agree on it not being an option for non-technical users. Though I think ZHA in Home Assistant should be a lot more beginner friendly. You would have to get Home Assistant running though - which for non-technical people is still not that easy.

[@iMikeTech811]

I just gotta say I love how it seems like everyone has gotten so much more comfortable and laid back. You guys seem to be having so much more fun and everyone cracking jokes and all that. Just looks like a good time and I'm digging it! Keep up the good work guys!

[@kamranazmi6635]

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[@SarveshBheekhun]

33:26 Just a tidbit, they didn’t add Adaptive Transparency to the 1st gen AirPods Pro and AirPods Max. You still need the H2 chip for that. However, there was a bug during the iOS 16.1 beta period where the option showed up for those headphones but didn’t actually do anything and was removed in the following beta release

[@brock985]

And as Dave2D tested in his video, it does seem like the new M2 iPad Pro has a new hardware part for that hover feature

[@jurado1010]

I find it hilarious that not only the $8 verification system failed within a day or two, but also that apparently after subtracting Google and Apple’s cut, and the $6 of lost ad revenue due to the 50% reduction in ads for Blue users, it ended up losing money. Genius stuff right here folks.

[@Bayplaces]

Elon Musk is actually just a spoiled rich idiot who got lucky

[@MrRyanbtw]

David only owns 1 shirt - it's also the shirt he wears in his twitter profile pic 😭

[@achintpatial5427]

So what? He can't wear the same shirt again and again ?

[@GreliBelandres]

Why so serious, Achint and Ali? Lmao

[@achintpatial5427]

@@GreliBelandres not serious, just saying

[@GreliBelandres]

@@achintpatial5427 🤣

[@GreliBelandres]

@@alijafari5417 why do you care so much on bro's shirt lmao. Get a grip. 🤣

[@IILORIMERII]

Best podcast - look forward to it every week - thanks so much to all of you guys for all the hard work :)

[@bijoychandraroy]

This and Trash Taste podcast is my go to

[@Octwavian]

The producer guy with the expensive headphones knows his stuff. PLEASE bring him in more often. 🔥📈

[@how.to.do.stuff.101]

U mean SKIBIDI GYATT OHIO RIZZ

[@starparticles6250]

I wear my pros gen 1 all day at work in either transparency mode or noise cancellation when I’m using my vacuums to clean rooms. In the last few months and really lately I can hear the vacuums much more when in cancellation and when I’m in transparency mode I’m constantly checking to see if it’s even on because everything sound much more muted than before both started happening.

[@totalrandomness5425]

They def changed the airpods pro too, Can now hear more noise on the train than I did. It's really obvious. I went from thinking these headphones were great to having to double check that cancellation was on.

[@davidtucker4992]

The producer cam was the best addition lol

[@thenorthofsouth]

love the additional camera on audio, brightens the discussion POVs

[@IvanGiivanov]

The problem with the AirPods Pro 2nd gen is that before I personally could not hear keyboard clicks and people talking where as now in the same office environment. I can clearly hear keystrokes and cars passing by on the street with active noise canceling on, whereas before I could not.

[@frankreidy5881]

Great to hear about Matter - It is badly needed and next year will be the year of Home Devices

[@Gandhi_Gaming]

I’ve noticed a decline in the noise cancellation in my AirPod Pro 2s from when I first got them & thought I was crazy until I started seeing it online and then I decided to start checking my volume stats. Before I used to be able to keep my volume at 64 decibels with noise cancellation active but now in the exact same environments my average volume has increased to 78 decibels so I definitely think that the noise cancellation has gotten worse

[@Vonliktenstien]

The thing David was taking about with the “over-computationalization” of photos seems analogous to the loudness wars in music production. Lay-people tend to think brighter/sharper photos and louder/bass heavy mixes are better.

[@MorningCyclist]

My AirPods Pro has decent noise cancellation when comparing to non-noise cancellation headphones, but I notice no difference between noise cancellation and transparency mode when there used to be one. I think it would be obvious if there was a difference between those modes like when I first got them. Anyone else noticed this?

[@krmparysee5958]

I noticed the same thing last week. You’re not alone.

[@vp5429]

@@krmparysee5958 what, they should be super obviously different

[@krmparysee5958]

@@vp5429 they used to be !

[@oboe23able]

Yours might just be broken if you notice no difference between the two modes lol

[@bm4122]

Clean your microphones and report back

[@XLessThanZ]

We need MATTER for messaging/texting apps 🤣😱🤪 (SMS, MMS, RCS, iMessage)

[@zipho]

love the producer cam

[@krmparysee5958]

Regarding AirPods, I have the AirPods Pro (1st gen). I rarely go out of transparency mode, but last week I wanted to use full canceling, and it sounded the same. Like nothing changed at all.

[@Bayplaces]

That's a lie or your hearing sucks. I use noise cancelling frequently and the difference is night and day. Turning off noise cancelling and going to transparency is night and day.

[@krmparysee5958]

@@Bayplaces haha yeah sure. It wasn’t difficult for the people at Apple to test it, agree it didn’t work and give me a brand new pair. Chill, Eric.

[@Austinfdp]

@@krmparysee5958 bro it works lmao but ok

[@ayodeledamilola3210]

you probably got the fakes!

[@sriram151092]

Kindly do a monthly roundup podcast where you go through all the things were discussed in various podcasts and how they have developed (if there were any updates)

[@shazymaxz]

Producer cam should be picture in picture imo

[@DavidFromTampa]

The noise canceling has gotten worse on the pro. I’ve noticed I can hear things I don’t normally hear now.

[@sathviksriram7]

Producer cam and Ellis’s rant ❤❤❤❤❤

[@wlew8287]

You can use wayback machine to see the old version of the airpods review and compare them directly instead of relying on screenshots

[@VagabondEddy123]

For max, the pads also deteriorate over time. pads make a big difference in both sound isolation and frequency response. Anc is important at all but the physical isolation affects overall experience

[@eezeepee]

I have TP-Link smart switches throughout the house and they're great especially when some of them control multiple can lights and some adding dimming function. I do have color changing bulbs in the bedroom which I rarely change to an actual color but TP-link has an automatic setting that goes from warm, to cool, to warm, and brightens and dims throughout the day. And when 1% isn't quite dim enough, the color "Peru" is good.

[@vp5429]

I too have a smart lights. I’ve found that even though most of the smart bulbs do all the colors I almost always just let Apple run them through the time-appropriate daylight colors. I also have a couple regular LEDs on smart switches but they are a bit weird since they are stuck at whatever color temperature. But I do like the idea of a smart switch, what I need are toggles/buttons/knobs all over that will keep me from having to shout into the air when I want a light.

[@joescad]

19:13 The worst thing that happened with this was that I got stuck with an Italian-mobster-voiced assistant for my BT speaker in 2014 because Jawbone's software I used to change it for a joke didn't exist anymore

[@kevinsotto8198]

Great to see you at the airport yesterday!

[@JoeJTSJoe]

Watching the this on TV. When he got the trivia answer wrong and they were teasing, a WiFi Not Connected indicator popped above Andrew''s head. Lol thought it was a diss graphic. Nope. WiFi on TV went out 😭

[@Manganellia1]

I deserved it.

[@lohithpmenon3894]

This was the most interesting video I’ve ever watched on this channel

[@orenkassner2510]

My beats fit pro lost noise cancellation is really worse in the recent month, I was freaking out as well

[@Thomas.Saunders]

Okay, there's that "gasp" face, David. LoL.

[@richarddimery]

...A 1 inch sensor, like on the Xiaomi would still provide a pretty deep depth of field. The 35mm lens shown in the imagery would be relatively shallow, but at around 100mm equiv FF focal length, it's not super practical. A more normal FOV from something like a 9mm would be all in-focus. Using this with old super 16/super 8 glass could be pretty sick though

[@joshhitech]

Pretty excited for Matter!! Also, I guess I need to clean my AirPods correctly. Great podcast! 😂

[@TheDigitalDam]

I bought the new AirPod Pros 2 and for some reason I get this really weird phasing affecting where audio just drifts from one headphone to the other. It is not spacial audio, I know what that is. It's just some weird software bug and I cannot figure it out.

[@davidgranger9599]

you aren't the only one, ive been experiencing this with my ap 3s for quite some time, it seems that only recently my overall experience with airpods have been more buggy and i'll have weird issues like this more often

[@sheldoncarter6609]

I wonder if that is the Adaptive EQ trying to gauge the seal.

[@ampsv2]

mine do not block out noise like they use to. i teach and i can hear a lot more sounds easily when using them during break

[@Neuri]

it is a bloody good job you had David for that matter explanation!

[@SHOman_86]

I listen to my Pros every day with ANC. It DOES change with each update and it’s noticeable.

[@chriswolf7169]

Reset your AirPod Max by pushing power button or ANC button until light flashes, this should help the lack of noise cancellation/ hear through modes. Mine were doing the same thing recently and once they froze I had to reset In order for them to turn back on. This dramatically improved the headphones. Hope this helps. 😎👊if this does not solve it try plugging in the lightning cord to charge it then unplug a few minutes later. Been known to happen more than once with multiple solutions 😂

[@jordancassidy03]

As this pod was released, they added the “Official” badge, took it away, added it back last night and now Twitter Blue is not available for subscription 😂😂😂

[@vp5429]

Such a garbage fire, any employee with some money saved has got to be trying to get fired. (Quitting would make it too easy for them.)

[@peachierose3356]

love the producer cam!

[@fxrojas22]

Great conversation!! Good stuff here! 🙏🏼

[@christianrourk7541]

ok also the conversation around wanting to just have a switch to turn lights on MAN (yes i get it but) is that hilarious

[@kuzonio]

What is there was a feature similar to wireless CarPlay/android auto but made for digital cameras?

[@napoleon2564]

6 decibels is a huge difference. Decibels are measured in orders of magnitude. The difference between 45 and 50 decibels is a pretty big deal *particularly* for a product that’s essentially a digital ear plug.

[@liam_benjamin613]

I have 2 Philips hue light bulbs and the hue dimmer switch. It is so nice!!

[@ani8108]

You guys always seem to have so much fun, PLUS you talk about Tech which is my favourite subject to talk about. These two things combined really make me wish I worked for the studio lol

[@MrTekniqs]

I have Bose QC 45 II and the Bose QC II earbuds. They both work great. I flew for over 24 hours with them and I used them interchangeable. At first I was. Concerned the buds might get uncomfortable for long wearing sessions. But honestly, they were alright. I wore them in the airports and the over-ears on the planes. The ear buds have great aware mode to the point I could hear people and music at the same time comfortably and I wear hearing aids normally because otherwise I have trouble in conversations.

[@prabeeshsidhu]

I am thinking of buying the Bose qc45, have you ever had the Sony wh1000xm4? I was wondering how the build quality is since I’m pretty rough with headphones. Heard the quality is amazing and I’m looking for good noise cancelling headphones for travel that will be comfortable which I know the qc45s are.

[@vishaldasari9039]

Appreciate if David could post some useful threads on Zigbee and Matter. Thanks in advance🙂

[@esaedvik]

56:20 Ahh yes, the famous William Gibson novel "Necromancer" xD

[@MrFowl]

Does this mean you could buy Google nest speakers and use Alexa or Siri on them? Or do you have to use the "assistant" that was designed for the speaker?

[@KloudAlpha]

love the show- keep it up boys

[@gd527tt]

51:11 LOL RGB candles, imagine Adam throwing different powders into the flames to make the flames burn a different colour 😂

[@klatchabobby]

Lol, I was listening through my MacBook speaker with my city window open and even I could tell 1 sounded like it had better ANC than 2 did

[@JoshBrahmERI]

Listening back to old episodes because this is the best podcast ever, and I really appreciate Andrew being willing to admit to nodding along to something he didn’t understand. Everybody does that, but the authenticity and humility to say it in public is a good example that I wish more followed. Everybody, be like Andrew. 😊

[@bloodandbonezzz]

Both the noise canceling and transparency mode on my AirPods Pro don’t work as good anymore.

[@offwhitemke]

Try regular Airpods with safety earmuffs used by woodworkers. It may actually make for a good case to bring very inexpensive earmuffs in flights with whatever wireless headset you like. A pair of earmuffs is as cheap as $12. How does it compare?

[@AdamJakowenko]

👏David is back👏 he needs to be a permanent co-host

[@cmanitin9181]

When we will get time stamp in waveform spotify ?

[@rakeshkumarpal5302]

thank you so much for sharing this method with !

[@levzowk]

Yay! Another 3 person cast

[@waybove]

but quietly they released a new firmware this past week! 5B58 and I only found out because I could hear genuine difference in the noise cancellation than the day before so I checked!

[@softryn]

Ellis's default face is hilarious

[@jA26]

Maybe Picture in picture producer cam would be better, just to see their reactions along with y'alls

[@CPX723]

My old AirPods Pro got worse noise canceling with updates. Unfortunately, we can’t decide whether to install the update or not. Im using my AirPods Pro 2 with Android phone and iPad. I just removed them from my iPad so it won’t get updated. This sucks.

[@Faust-Hell]

I'm love bass. I know it's a quirky but Skullcandy Crusher Evo with their Crusher Adjustable Sensory Bass got me.

[@ulteriormethod]

Damn the mics on this podcast are so good it’s borderline ASMR haha

[@ItzSlushie]

I love my gen 1 AirPod pros but they do a thing when Noise cancellation is on that I hear feedback if I nudge them in my ears and it’s annoying and making me worry if I buy a new pair they will do the same thing

[@RileySullivan]

I noticed that the noise cancellation in my AirPods Max headphones have gotten worse. I just thought that I needed to replace the ear cushions, but I never committed to buying replacements.

[@vp5429]

Try reseting them!

[@RileySullivan]

@@vp5429 I will give that a try, thanks for the suggestion.

[@MrCallmeawsome]

This is anecdotal but, I live in New York City, and I utilize my AirPods Max for my commute. If you want to go, I noticed that I was hearing more things than that. Well, maybe the noise canceling was the same, the behavior was different. I thought that my headphones were broken. I did a warranty replacement. When I put them on I realized that yes, something had changed. It’s fine but the noise canceling is less effective than it was in my situation. I had not seen anything about it and was very confused for months why my expensive headphones were not working the way I expected them to.

[@tayward]

Marques is the hoodie you are wearing available? I wasn't able to find it on your clothing site. Thanks

[@DavidImel]

Yes! It’s called the Chevron hoodie. I believe it’s on back order right now

[@tayward]

@@DavidImel Thanks David. I found it and ordered one from the next shipment.

[@AsLittleDesignAsPossible]

Is there a reason why this isn't shot live? in livestream form?

[@vp5429]

They spend a lot of time editing it, presumably live it would be a lot messier with worse sound.

[@KittenCece]

Perfect timing ! 👌

[@WillNewcomb]

I've never listened before but been so impressed. Far too many podcasts have irrelevant personal chat which is boring. This was 100% relevant.

[@HyperGadgets]

Google Nest can connect locally to certain services (like the intranet described), for example to Home Assistant. I think Philips Hue to buy I'm not 100% sure. It's called Local Fulfillment.

[@golf_sale]

More Ellis please, good job! 👍

[@Neuri]

Matter is the home device equipment equivalent of midi for audio equipment, a universal language.

[@EnriqueFormoso]

This might be random, but I love the intro song :D

[@someperson8670]

feels like someone at LTT-labs could try to verify that (ca. 24:00)

[@WK-rp1yh]

Apple should let us pick a voice assistant to use system wide on the iPhone instead of using a separate app.

[@alextasarov1341]

The noise pressure is so bad for me I never use the ANC.. it just gives me headaches. And I spent months using it to attempt to get used to it. Nope.

[@pyntzer]

I noticed a decrease on my air pods pro after the 2 version launched

[@DanielHellqvist]

camera should pair just like wireless carplay/androud auto :D; then you can have all your settings/presets in you pocket and connect to any "shell" camera

[@a_f2598]

i got my airpods pro exchanged by apple because the old ones did not work properly anymore. the old ones were not updated, the new ones had the update. there is a huge difference in noise cancelling. and i thought that the noise cancelling has changed dramatically to the point that i wanted to sell my new airpods pro before even hearing about this issue on the internet. so, it is a thing, i guess.

[@markos.5539]

Let's go!!!! the audio episode

[@enjohneer]

@40:55 What's David's watch?

[@stevenjamesosma3246]

What is the difference between matter and hoobs?

[@yeah493]

I know with my Bose headphones the noise cancellation gets SIGNIFICANTLY worse as the ear pads flatten over time so maybe that plays into it

[@nilobeebee]

11:30 Exactly! Can't say much about printers, but TV UIs haven't shown any phenomenal advancements even for smart (non-Android) TVs.

[@marz6499]

apple already shipped the apple tv w thread/matter support but no one covered it

[@philip321]

smart candles didnt think I need that until now

[@customjohnny]

10:40 interesting transition here

[@elevateyourcreativeness]

I’m super stoked for Matter to be released globally! This truly unlocks a consumer’s choices without having to be locked into one ecosystem or another! Furthermore, running Matter locally will mean that in the event of a power outage everything doesn’t turn on!

[@tmsmqwx]

Love the idea of the Twitter Alarm 🤣

[@drink__more__water]

producer cam was 10/10

[@samzaq229]

They solved noise cancellation in the last frimware update

[@EEF2077]

The crazy thing about Twitter, they could've easily made the paid for badge Blue, and an official one White or another easily identifiable color. Doing this weird multi verification thing just makes it so hard to at a glance see if it's a real person.

[@shaylxix]

I just finished the last 2 episodes, I want more... 😭😭😭

[@vrapan]

more ellis please he is great :) should probably do the revuews of the audio stuff on the channel